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    ... and if we just ... Bunnyhop tutorial VIDEO

    Ok guys, this is my first attempt at making a tutorial of any kind so bear with me. I think it is a pretty decent guide that should get you going in no time. Requests for instructions on bunnyhopping come up all the time so I figured a video tutorial was in order. You can read all you want but unless you watch it happening I don't think reading volumes of text is going to help much. However, in addition to this video, I do advise you to read some of the instructional pages out there as there are some really good tips.

    I tried to keep it real simple, though incredibly versitile the bunnyhop is actually a really basic trick. I've got several examples inside and I break it down frame by frame. In volume 2, I'll go over some other methods of bunnyhopping as well as some very trick ways to use it on the trail and maybe a quick session around town.

    Please RIGHT CLICK and choose SAVE TARGET AS to save these files to your computer for playback:

    http://www.secretreality.com/2008/02...tutorials.html

    Get out there and practice, practice, practice! You'll be airborne in no time! Good luck!

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    Nice job on that
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    Excellent job! I'm impressed!

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    <img src="images/icons/icon14.gif" alt="Thumbs up" border="0" />&nbsp;<img src="images/icons/icon14.gif" alt="Thumbs up" border="0" />&nbsp;Very cool video!

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    Too Cool.

    We need more stuff like this. I've been doing it wrong since I started. Wish I'd seen this 6 months ago.

    I luv the frame by frame.

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    Very Nice!

    Thank you!

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    [email protected] fine video

    that oughta help lots of folks, me included. Thanks for you hard work. BTW, where's the bunny?

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    Right on, I'm glad everyone is finding the video useful.

    BTW: This is for you Jim.
    So I convinced my gf to hold a bunnyrabbit on her chest in the next one and I'll bunnyhop over her and the rabbit. She didn't seem to keen on the idea of wearing rabbit ears and a fuzzy tail and getting on her hands and knees for me to bunnyhop her, but I told her to think about it. LOL I think it would be cool.

    And another thing... just wait until you see the crazy hat I got to wear for the next vid, it is priceless.
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    where's your effing helmet

    nice video....and your brother sold that bike??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    where's your effing helmet

    nice video....and your brother sold that bike??
    Helmet to bunnyhop? Naaaahhhhh..... (not for me at least) I did throw in the standard safety warning of course.

    This bike is my KHS, he sold my GT Fueler, it was a pretty nice bmx bike. cest la vie. I might get a cheapie DK to get me by till I can build up something nice.

    Here's a link to a description of the Fueler: http://www.4130.com/ride/bikes/gtfueler.html

    Mine was a chrome XL
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Helmet to bunnyhop? Naaaahhhhh..... (not for me at least) I did throw in the standard safety warning of course.

    This bike is my KHS, he sold my GT Fueler, it was a pretty nice bmx bike. cest la vie. I might get a cheapie DK to get me by till I can build up something nice.

    Here's a link to a description of the Fueler: http://www.4130.com/ride/bikes/gtfueler.html

    Mine was a chrome XL
    still doing a little DH???
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    still doing a little DH???
    None lately, spending too much time w/mah woman
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    Just wanted to say nice job, looks like you put some time into that. Always done bunny hops and never really thought about what I was actually doing. Great for people learning, or even those of us who need to work on our technique. Good Work, keep it up.

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    Too Cool...

    Can you help me ride a wheelie now? Good effort.

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    I can ride a wheelie now but I can't figure out how to manual? I have an enduro expert can you just tell me it is impossible to manual on this bike so I can be at peace with my riding skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsnk1975
    I can ride a wheelie now but I can't figure out how to manual? I have an enduro expert can you just tell me it is impossible to manual on this bike so I can be at peace with my riding skills?
    keep practicing......you can manual that
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    keep practicing......you can manual that
    I cant do a wheelie at all... I have a 05 stumpjumper 21" frame and I cant for the life of me hold a wheelie 5 out of 6 times I dont get the front wheel high enough, and the 6th time I kick the pedals so hard the bike rolls out from under me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Wolf
    I cant do a wheelie at all... I have a 05 stumpjumper 21" frame and I cant for the life of me hold a wheelie 5 out of 6 times I dont get the front wheel high enough, and the 6th time I kick the pedals so hard the bike rolls out from under me.
    I'm no wheelie king, but... I would guess that you are probably using a gear that is too low which is a pretty common mistake on an mtb. You should ideally use something in the middle and have some sort of rolling speed before you do your pedal surge and pull up on the bars.

    btw: Anyone interested in a video explaining drop offs / wheelie drops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    btw: Anyone interested in a video explaining drop offs / wheelie drops?
    Yeah that would be handy. I have a race coming up at a mtb course with a almost 1 foot dropoff...

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    Just wanted to say great job on the video!

    The first time I went out and tried it, I actually pulled up a little too hard and almost busted it! haha.... I've been practicing in front of my house, I'm sure the neighbors think I'm nuts. I can get a nice little hop now!!!

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    Ok well I'm glad the video was so well recieved and that many were able to find it useful. Alas, I'm coming up on my bandwidth limit and I unfortunately have to take it down for a while. I do have loose plans to make a whole series of training videos like this one which was really my first attempt at one. Don't worry, future videos won't have any other messages, just techniques and examples.

    Anyway, if anyone still wants to check it out I'll see what I can do about finding somewhere else to host them until I can get my own site upgraded. In the meantime, just remember: crouch, spring and rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Ok well I'm glad the video was so well recieved and that many were able to find it useful. Alas, I'm coming up on my bandwidth limit and I unfortunately have to take it down for a while. I do have loose plans to make a whole series of training videos like this one which was really my first attempt at one. Don't worry, future videos won't have any other messages, just techniques and examples.

    Anyway, if anyone still wants to check it out I'll see what I can do about finding somewhere else to host them until I can get my own site upgraded. In the meantime, just remember: crouch, spring and rock.

    Good luck all
    I cant wait for more vidios!

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    Can you rehost the video somewhere or email it to me or something? eman54 at gmail.com

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    bunny hop

    can't download the video.. does anyone have it hosted somewhere?

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    Ok guys, I've bumped up my web hosting account and put the video back online. It is still fairly large in size thanks to Windows XP movie maker, so I may use another application to shrink it down a tad, but the filename won't change. If I do get it down in size I'll also post in here. Anyway, its back up for now so get it for yourself and start hoppin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Ok guys, I've bumped up my web hosting account and put the video back online. It is still fairly large in size thanks to Windows XP movie maker, so I may use another application to shrink it down a tad, but the filename won't change. If I do get it down in size I'll also post in here. Anyway, its back up for now so get it for yourself and start hoppin'
    Thanks for rehosting. Hopefully that will get me into the air!

    Is the technique any different when riding a hard-tail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_d
    Thanks for rehosting. Hopefully that will get me into the air!

    Is the technique any different when riding a hard-tail?
    No problem

    Anyway, the basic technique is the same regardless of what you are jumping, ie. full susp, hardtail, full rigid, etc. Some people use their suspension forks to help them get air by preloading the shock, definitely do not do this, at least while you're learning.
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    Hey Flow, thanks for the tips.

    This was really helpful and I'm going to pass it on to a couple of buddies of mine.

    Do you happen to know how to do manuals? That's something I'd like to know... even though I ride a hardtail and I know it's not usually done on them.

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    Cool. Now once I hear and the weather gets better, I can practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beegblock
    Hey Flow, thanks for the tips.

    This was really helpful and I'm going to pass it on to a couple of buddies of mine.

    Do you happen to know how to do manuals? That's something I'd like to know... even though I ride a hardtail and I know it's not usually done on them.
    You know my manual skills are pretty weak, I definitely need to practice those more. The concept is really simple, it's just a matter of practice and holding onto that balance point. Something I'm not too good at... yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beegblock
    Hey Flow, thanks for the tips.

    This was really helpful and I'm going to pass it on to a couple of buddies of mine.

    Do you happen to know how to do manuals? That's something I'd like to know... even though I ride a hardtail and I know it's not usually done on them.
    Isnt it easier to do a manual on a hardtail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiFork
    Isnt it easier to do a manual on a hardtail?
    No idea! Maybe it is. I'd be happy if it was.
    My thing is I can't pull the damn bars up far enough. I think it's nerves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiFork
    Isnt it easier to do a manual on a hardtail?
    Yes definitely, it is pretty hard to do (imho) on a full susp bike. Personally I find it much easier to do all this stuff on my 20", but that's me...
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    How I do mine is to just jump up and tuck in. I find that both wheels lift off at the same time, therefore to be able to get over anything significant, I have to be travelling quite fast. (btw, I'm not using clipless to cheat).

    Any tips on how to do the front-wheel-first-then-back-wheel-up method?

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    Awesome

    Great Job! The Slo-Mo and explanations are clear. Fowarded to some buddies who have always wanted to learn how to Bunny Hop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiFork
    Isnt it easier to do a manual on a hardtail?

    Sort of, it's easier to get up to the balance point on a hardtail, it's easier to STAY at that point on a FS.

    If you want to try manualing, I'd recommend going really slowly, get your butt as far back and down as possible without locking your legs, and then pulling your handlebars up till you have to jump off the pedals to keep from falling backwards. It might sound stupid, but this will help you get used to getting to the balance point without pedaling. Once you have figured out how to do that, then it's a matter of practice.

    --the farth back and down you get your butt behind your back wheel, the easier it will be to get your front end up. If you have a really big butt like me, it's so much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leleklegrunt
    How I do mine is to just jump up and tuck in. I find that both wheels lift off at the same time, therefore to be able to get over anything significant, I have to be travelling quite fast. (btw, I'm not using clipless to cheat).

    Any tips on how to do the front-wheel-first-then-back-wheel-up method?
    I'm not sure if you watched the video or not, but I basically try to explain as simply as possible what you need to do to use the front wheel up first method. That is the technique you will need to use if you want to bunnyhop high and you will also find that it takes substantially less energy than the both tires up at once method. Not to mention that with the "proper" technique you can bunnyhop quite high with almost no speed.

    I'll get into sidehops, 90deg hops, "rabbit hops" and trail use in part 2. I'm also considering throwing in a little section on crossover stuff, like 180, 360, barspin and tailwhip bunnyhops, but most of that stuff isn't of much use to mountain bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    I'm not sure if you watched the video or not, but I basically try to explain as simply as possible what you need to do to use the front wheel up first method. That is the technique you will need to use if you want to bunnyhop high and you will also find that it takes substantially less energy than the both tires up at once method. Not to mention that with the "proper" technique you can bunnyhop quite high with almost no speed.

    I'll get into sidehops, 90deg hops, "rabbit hops" and trail use in part 2. I'm also considering throwing in a little section on crossover stuff, like 180, 360, barspin and tailwhip bunnyhops, but most of that stuff isn't of much use to mountain bikers.
    Thanks for the response. Yes, I did watch the video, and I have seen vids of people bunnyhopping before, with the proper front wheel up first method, but each time I try, before I can even attempt to bring the rear wheel up, the front is already smashing down. Also, I think a problem I have is that I am not throwing my butt back far enough, just throwing my weight upward, then pulling up on the handlebars, so that at max front wheel height, my arms are practically at my chest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leleklegrunt
    Thanks for the response. Yes, I did watch the video, and I have seen vids of people bunnyhopping before, with the proper front wheel up first method, but each time I try, before I can even attempt to bring the rear wheel up, the front is already smashing down. Also, I think a problem I have is that I am not throwing my butt back far enough, just throwing my weight upward, then pulling up on the handlebars, so that at max front wheel height, my arms are practically at my chest...
    Hmmm that's odd, you really shouldn't need to have your butt hang back out. It really is just a crouch and spring, the real key it sounds like is that you need to pull upn higher on your front end, esp if it is coming down before you can even get the back end up. It is sort of one motion, pulling up and springing up and forward, throwing your body to lift your bike. Between that and also pushing forward/rocking your bars, you ought to be getting some sort of air.

    edit: Actually you do hang your butt out but usually only when you are going for big air and once you are starting to tuck, notice in these stills how the seat is coming up to meet my butt. If I hang it out back, then the seat can come up to my chest. Basically your seat is what will limit your height as it will hit your a$$ or your chest depending.

    I nabbed these stills are which clearer than the ones in the video and might help a little more:
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    Not sure if you're interested, but I know a videographer in our hood that is looking for talented people to shoot a video like the one you did for the same purpose but longer. Would you be interested? I'm guessing that you're right around the corner from me based on the scenery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    Not sure if you're interested, but I know a videographer in our hood that is looking for talented people to shoot a video like the one you did for the same purpose but longer. Would you be interested? I'm guessing that you're right around the corner from me based on the scenery.
    My original plan was to just shoot a bunch of little mini-vids like this one, but a full length tutorial video would probably be better. I'm actually relatively close, I'm in Livermore which is ~30mi from where you're at if I recall, a shorter distance than my daily work commute into the South Bay . I just got back from 6 years in HelLA, but I grew up in the East Bay Area. So anyway yeah, I guess I'm down, when is this happening?

    btw: I have a Canon DV camcorder and tripod if that could be of any use for alt angles.

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    definitely

    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    btw: Anyone interested in a video explaining drop offs / wheelie drops?
    great vid. i laughed my arse off when skeletor popped up.

    I'm having problems with keeping the front wheel out/up on wheelie drops and would LOVE a video.

    Keep up the great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leleklegrunt
    How I do mine is to just jump up and tuck in. I find that both wheels lift off at the same time, therefore to be able to get over anything significant, I have to be travelling quite fast. (btw, I'm not using clipless to cheat).

    Any tips on how to do the front-wheel-first-then-back-wheel-up method?
    Oops wrong quote -anyway the little advice that was given on the manuals has helped. It does make sense to go slower at first bc it is hard to get back to that balance point when you are going fast. I can hold a wheelie for a few seconds (if that makes sense) but I still can't manual.....I can mini-manual

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    hey thanks alot for the video...i cant wait for the snow to disappear to get back out there and practice. its good that you enphasize practiciang because alot of newer riders expect to pick it up right away! thanks again!

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    a couple of basic questions

    Hi 'Flowmaster' et al.,

    I need an even more basic advice:

    Firstly, how should I place my feet on platform pedals for trials-type tricks, such as bunny hops? -- I guess the point of foot-pedal contact is different than for XC

    Secondly, what should I do to keep platform pedals "glued" to my feet, or rather the other way around, i.e., to make my feet "stick" to the pedals as if they were clipped in?

    Ta!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasz
    Hi 'Flowmaster' et al.,

    I need an even more basic advice:

    Firstly, how should I place my feet on platform pedals for trials-type tricks, such as bunny hops? -- I guess the point of foot-pedal contact is different than for XC

    Secondly, what should I do to keep platform pedals "glued" to my feet, or rather vice-versa, i.e., to make my feet "stick" to the pedals as if they were clipped in?

    Ta!
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    Both questions can be answered at once. Angle your feet down, and pull up. Your toes should be pointing towards the ground and you are using your legs to push out and up, this makes your feet stick to the pedals. I'm not a expert, this is just the way I do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Wolf
    Yeah that would be handy. I have a race coming up at a mtb course with a almost 1 foot dropoff...
    just practice on a curb...really nothing to it....then find some rocks up on the mountain and hit those....Everytime you are on your trail look for stuff to put you in the air. The more comfortable you are in the air the less you will endow over the bars...For example instead of slowing down for a section and messing up (OTB). You can bunny hop over that section or hit a rock or something and jump that rock garden...
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    Thankyou Thankyou

    Hey Flowmaster!!!

    THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU I LOVE YOU!!!!

    Never being able to bunny hop except with clipless pedals... I watched your video while sucking back a couple of beers last night. This morning I was determined... I got rid of the eggbeaters and put on some flats, dropped the seat hight and went for it..... before i knew it, about 10minutes, I was getting about 6-8 inches from the ground!!!!

    I was extremely happy as was my mate who could NOT understand how the hell I was doing it!!!

    I live in Australia, and wanted to let you know that your video is working world wide!!!

    Thanks again, keep it up and well done!!!! I also got wheelies between 5 - 10 metres... oh what a day!!!

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    Good job!

    LMAO


    That was great man...

    Keep'em coming..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Wolf
    Both questions can be answered at once. Angle your feet down, and pull up. Your toes should be pointing towards the ground and you are using your legs to push out and up, this makes your feet stick to the pedals. I'm not a expert, this is just the way I do it.
    Yes, definately. Keeping your toes pointing is what kept me from bunnyhopping prior to last year, and is what I see most people doing wrong. Man was I happy when I finally 'clicked' that my feet should be pointing down and got my first 2" hop instead of the usual feet coming off the pedals.

    Anyways, I can probably hop 8-10" on my MTB, as I initially (last year) learned them on my BMX. The basic technique is the same, but weight transfer is a bit different and keeps from getting as much air as I got on my BMX.

    Anyways, great job on that vid

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    Ah, I did it! It was a bit of a challenge getting a 40lbs junker off the ground with all my 110lbs and pipecleaner arms, but I managed to get both wheels off the ground. I was hopping pvc pipe that if I hit, it would make all kinds of visual-noise. I put up the vid camera and low and behold, I went over without hitting either tire after almost a dozen tries. A memory I will treasure for sure. Thanks for the tips!

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    How NOT to do a bunny hop.

    Here's a small bunny hop botch video from one of my club's skills clinics (4.5 MB).

    www.schnauzers.ws/chrishop.mpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan123
    Hey Flowmaster!!!

    THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU I LOVE YOU!!!!

    Never being able to bunny hop except with clipless pedals... I watched your video while sucking back a couple of beers last night. This morning I was determined... I got rid of the eggbeaters and put on some flats, dropped the seat hight and went for it..... before i knew it, about 10minutes, I was getting about 6-8 inches from the ground!!!!

    I was extremely happy as was my mate who could NOT understand how the hell I was doing it!!!

    I live in Australia, and wanted to let you know that your video is working world wide!!!

    Thanks again, keep it up and well done!!!! I also got wheelies between 5 - 10 metres... oh what a day!!!
    lol, right on brother, stick with it. And hey, post some pix if you get a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by in_the_zone
    Ah, I did it! It was a bit of a challenge getting a 40lbs junker off the ground with all my 110lbs and pipecleaner arms, but I managed to get both wheels off the ground. I was hopping pvc pipe that if I hit, it would make all kinds of visual-noise. I put up the vid camera and low and behold, I went over without hitting either tire after almost a dozen tries. A memory I will treasure for sure. Thanks for the tips!
    Awesome, stick with it though, you can get that bike up pretty high with practice.
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    Very nice work...

    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Ok guys, this is my first attempt at making a tutorial of any kind so bear with me. I think it is a pretty decent guide that should get you going in no time. Requests for instructions on bunnyhopping come up all the time so I figured a video tutorial was in order. You can read all you want but unless you watch it happening I don't think reading volumes of text is going to help much. However, in addition to this video, I do advise you to read some of the instructional pages out there as there are some really good tips.

    I tried to keep it real simple, though incredibly versitile the bunnyhop is actually a really basic trick. I've got several examples inside and I break it down frame by frame. In volume 2, I'll go over some other methods of bunnyhopping as well as some very trick ways to use it on the trail and maybe a quick session around town.

    Here are two versions, differing only in resolution and size. Please RIGHT CLICK and choose SAVE TARGET AS to save these files to your computer for playback.

    This one is 320x200 at about 7MB:
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    This one is 640x480 and about 30MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_640x480.wmv

    Get out there and practice, practice, practice! You'll be airborne in no time! Good luck!

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    the video will not work, it worked earlier, and i want to show my brother. has anybody else had this problem and could you tell me how to fix it, thanx.

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    hold up, your video was very good work..we need that stuff in here big time..i'm looking to kick the back end out on jumps with my mtn bike and turning the handlebars (we called it cross-up in dirtbike lingo, apparently x-up is different in bmx). the more complicated stuff is still good for us to see, i mean its in all the urban freeride videos and stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    I'm not sure if you watched the video or not, but I basically try to explain as simply as possible what you need to do to use the front wheel up first method. That is the technique you will need to use if you want to bunnyhop high and you will also find that it takes substantially less energy than the both tires up at once method. Not to mention that with the "proper" technique you can bunnyhop quite high with almost no speed.

    I'll get into sidehops, 90deg hops, "rabbit hops" and trail use in part 2. I'm also considering throwing in a little section on crossover stuff, like 180, 360, barspin and tailwhip bunnyhops, but most of that stuff isn't of much use to mountain bikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamantane
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    hold up, your video was very good work..we need that stuff in here big time..i'm looking to kick the back end out on jumps with my mtn bike and turning the handlebars (we called it cross-up in dirtbike lingo, apparently x-up is different in bmx). the more complicated stuff is still good for us to see, i mean its in all the urban freeride videos and stuff
    Thanks bro I'm definitely going to continue, I have a whole series in mind. Nothing ever panned out with that other dude that wanted to do that dvd, dunno what was up with that. Anyway, for now I've sidelined them for some other projects I'm working on (got a motorcycle and a Jeep cherokee that needs some TLC) but I'll be picking it back up in not too long and I'll definitely continue the urban stuff. (plus it is easier to film than carrying tripods and camera gear out onto trails)

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    hey flowmaster im 12 years old and i have a trek 3900. I can do wheelies except for the past few weeks ive been trying to do a bunnyhop. the only problem is lifting my front wheel. I can only lift it like an inch off the ground while standing up. are there any techniques that you perhaps know? I've been trying really hard to lean back and everything but i just cant do a manual or lift my my front wheel up at all. I loved your movie except its 11:00 at night and I can't try anything until tomorrow. IS there anything I should do with feet to push the wheel up?
    OR is the problem maybe the weight of my bike and my strength. Just remember that I can do wheelies and I actually flip my bike by accident sometimes.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex923
    hey flowmaster im 12 years old and i have a trek 3900. I can do wheelies except for the past few weeks ive been trying to do a bunnyhop. the only problem is lifting my front wheel. I can only lift it like an inch off the ground while standing up. are there any techniques that you perhaps know? I've been trying really hard to lean back and everything but i just cant do a manual or lift my my front wheel up at all. I loved your movie except its 11:00 at night and I can't try anything until tomorrow. IS there anything I should do with feet to push the wheel up?
    OR is the problem maybe the weight of my bike and my strength. Just remember that I can do wheelies and I actually flip my bike by accident sometimes.

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    Hey Alex, that's cool you've already figured out wheelies, many riders never fully get that one down after years of practice. Anyway, a Trek 3900 will bunnyhop just fine, but there are some things that might be preventing you from lifting the front tire. When you wheelie you're using your gears and a pedal surge to lift your front tire which is why too low a gear or too much power and you're flying off the back, but when you bunnyhop it is entirely by pulling up the front end so it is actually pretty safe to practice, you're quite unlikely to pull up so hard you fly off backwards (but wear a helmet anyway, plus you can bail off the back easy if for some reason you do.)

    That said, first off you want a shorter stem like I mention in the video, a long stem makes it hard to lift the front end because you're reaching too far out past your head tube and it makes for bad geometry for what we're trying to do. Also make sure you are crouching down pretty good, that way when you spring up and pull you've got your body weight lifting the bike, not just your arms, check out the bunnyhop practice session video 1.5 that might help a little more. There are a couple other factors to consider, like bike size- a bike that is too big for you will be harder to bunnyhop due to the geometry, it will just be too long to get a good pull on it.

    There's also the weight factor, since you're 12 I'm assuming you're a lot lighter than most of the guys on here trying this trick on a mountain bike. For example, I'm 6', 210# and I ride a 37# bike. The more you ride, the more you will realize that throwing your weight around is what makes the bike do what you want it to do, bunnyhopping aside. I say this while trying not to sound corny or like the Dahli Lama but in all of the tricks I will/have illustrated, your bike becomes an extension of your body. There's a saying that goes for driving, motorcycles and bicycles, look where you want to go because your vehicle will follow your head. Where your body leads, your bike will follow. Even if you're only 100# you likely weigh 4 times what your bike does, you can get it to do whatever you want. Just stick to it, the key is proper form and a ton of practice.

    One last thing, get a 20" BMX bike if you don't already have one. Same technique, but it will feel totally different riding that. If you dial a 20" before you get on 26" you will build some excellent and useful trick and trail skills. Also look how my bike is setup, it's like a big BMX bike, watch skills video 3 on small wheelie drops and you can see how I sit on my bike. Most mountain bikers have a hunched over posture because of their bike geometry, but notice how I sit more upright. This is what works for me, what works for you may be totally different, that's the thing with dialing your ride in.



    Look how many expert MTB riders came from a BMX background, there is a reason. Plus, the geometry is better suited towards your size/weight. 20"s are cool, I still ride them, hell I just bought a new one earlier this year.

    Anyway, good luck and practice till your arms are too weak to keep riding!
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    hey, thanks for trying to help me! I just have one more question. What gear should I be in when I do a bunnyhop. because i always do my wheelies in either 1 or 2. I still can't seem to be able to lift the front wheel off like I saw you do in the video though. I'll keep on practicing though.

    P.S. What bike do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex923
    hey, thanks for trying to help me! I just have one more question. What gear should I be in when I do a bunnyhop. because i always do my wheelies in either 1 or 2. I still can't seem to be able to lift the front wheel off like I saw you do in the video though. I'll keep on practicing though.

    P.S. What bike do you have?
    Well it really shouldn't matter too much since you aren't pedaling when you bunnyhop, you just use it to get up some speed first. But generally speaking, when you're doing tricks most of the time you want to be in a middle ring up front and a middle ring in the back. Anyway keep practicing, you'll get it.

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    i tried to practise bunny hopping today and i can finally lift my front wheel up about a foot. the problem is that i can't lift it that high while going at a medium speed or fast. I also can't get my rear wheel off. I'm really spending my spare time practising though.

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    I dont think i could jump my Trek ex 8 over a soda can!! At least until i get some more upper body strength to lift its heavy butt up.

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    Hey, I just came across this thread. It's great! I'm an xc/trailrider type. Never rode bmx and only used flats on my bike for a very short time. My quesion: Is there some compelling reason I should not learn/practice bunnyhopping using my clipless? I assume the point would be to learn how to perform the move without the assistance of being clipped in, but tell me what you think. Thanks man.

    -one more thing. I noticed that most moves/tricks are done with the seat very, very low. I understand why, but on an xc ride I ride with my seat at a normal height (for xc riding). Can the bunnyhop, as shown by you, really apply to my everyday riding or is it more reserved for urban/fun stuff? I would love to perfect this for trail riding, it would mean cleaning some sections without even slowing down and be much less of a hassle than trying to slow-poke through without endo'ing, haha.

    BTW the beginners forum is a great place to post this kind of tutorial. Everyone can feel free to ask questions, whether your a nubie or a veteran rider. Keep up the good work.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride
    Hey, I just came across this thread. It's great! I'm an xc/trailrider type. Never rode bmx and only used flats on my bike for a very short time. My quesion: Is there some compelling reason I should not learn/practice bunnyhopping using my clipless? I assume the point would be to learn how to perform the move without the assistance of being clipped in, but tell me what you think. Thanks man.

    -one more thing. I noticed that most moves/tricks are done with the seat very, very low. I understand why, but on an xc ride I ride with my seat at a normal height (for xc riding). Can the bunnyhop, as shown by you, really apply to my everyday riding or is it more reserved for urban/fun stuff? I would love to perfect this for trail riding, it would mean cleaning some sections without even slowing down and be much less of a hassle than trying to slow-poke through without endo'ing, haha.

    BTW the beginners forum is a great place to post this kind of tutorial. Everyone can feel free to ask questions, whether your a nubie or a veteran rider. Keep up the good work.
    Heya EDR, glad you've found the thread/vid useful. I'm thinking maybe they ought to just make it a sticky since it comes up so frequently. Anyway, the main reasons to do it on flats to start are a) you'll learn proper technique which clip-in style pedals completely prevent and b) it is substantially easier to throw a leg out or bail completely should you totally lose your balance. But mainly because of technique and form since you're in the habit building stage, you want to start off right.

    As far as the seat height, there are a couple of reasons for keeping it really low. Basically, with the seat not lowered, it hitting you in the chest will limit how high you can bunnyhop. There are many ways to combat this, but to keep things simple for learning keep the seat pretty low. I also personally ride with my seat at that height probably 90% of the time, so in basically all of my videos you'll see it quite low. Regardless, once you have gotten the technique down, you can start experimenting with your seat higher and higher. Eventually you'll find you can actually bunnyhop curb height or so with very minimal effort and hardly rising from your seat, I can for example bunnyhop while on my bike setup for XC while in sitting position, but there will be more on that later. For example, watch this short clip where I'm bunnyhopping a curb, then 4 steps. I'm not even paying attention to the curb, its just in the way, I throw a little spring in but it is hardly even required, notice how my legs stay bent for the short hop and effort is really only exerted for the stairs: https://www.secretreality.com/hobbie...s/bunnyhop.mov

    There is also another technique that uses the same physics as the bunnyhop to lunge over obstacles and can be done while sitting as well, but that's for another vid I'm working on "Skills tutorial volume 4: Clearing Trail obstacles" Anyway, with your bike properly dialed and a good solid bunnyhop comfort level and ability, you should be able to fly down a singletrack at high speed and not have to stop for a hay bail blocking the path. Another example is that creek crossing picture at the end of the video, don't stop, don't walk... fly. Clearing stuff like that may not be a great feat, but I can't help but ride away from things like that with a smile on my face.

    Anyway, good luck brother, stick to it and you'll be airborne before you know it.
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    Hey while this is up here, what other vids are there?

    I have Vol. 1, vol. 1.5, and vol. 3
    is there one i'm missing?
    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboasT4
    Hey while this is up here, what other vids are there?

    I have Vol. 1, vol. 1.5, and vol. 3
    is there one i'm missing?
    thanks.
    Nope that's all of the tutorials so far, never finished 2 and I've sidelined them for now to work on some other projects. I'll be picking them back up soon though, I do have many more in mind.
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    Hey, thanks for the detailed response to my question.

    This is the most informative and useful thread I've come across in a long time. No hating, no "my suspension design is better than yours" posts, LOL. Just real people wanting to improve their riding. Good thread all around by everyone.

    And about flying the creek crossing...there is a spot nearby me that is on a very easy singletrack section but its a deep rut, about 2ft deep and maybe 3ft wide. It forces me to slow waaay down and roll down and up quickly. I can't fly over it b/c not being able to lift my back wheel it would slam down on the upside of the ravine, and basically kill me at that point, haha. Would love to fly over it though and leave my buddies saying "cool".

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Nope that's all of the tutorials so far, never finished 2 and I've sidelined them for now to work on some other projects. I'll be picking them back up soon though, I do have many more in mind.
    Thank you for helping the rest of us! As you said, a big difference between reading about it and seeing it.

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    Thanks

    I have been riding mountain bikes since 1982 and sort of given up attempting wheelies or bunny hops over 8''.That was about the max I could loft my front wheel. Watching your vid and a little practice the other day I am over 12+". I have finally actually gotten how to do it..Thanks.MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Ok guys, this is my first attempt at making a tutorial of any kind so bear with me. I think it is a pretty decent guide that should get you going in no time. Requests for instructions on bunnyhopping come up all the time so I figured a video tutorial was in order. You can read all you want but unless you watch it happening I don't think reading volumes of text is going to help much. However, in addition to this video, I do advise you to read some of the instructional pages out there as there are some really good tips.

    I tried to keep it real simple, though incredibly versitile the bunnyhop is actually a really basic trick. I've got several examples inside and I break it down frame by frame. In volume 2, I'll go over some other methods of bunnyhopping as well as some very trick ways to use it on the trail and maybe a quick session around town.

    Here are two versions, differing only in resolution and size. Please RIGHT CLICK and choose SAVE TARGET AS to save these files to your computer for playback.

    This one is 320x200 at about 7MB:
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    This one is 640x480 and about 30MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_640x480.wmv

    Get out there and practice, practice, practice! You'll be airborne in no time! Good luck!

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    to hang the butt back out or not (?!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by leleklegrunt
    I think a problem I have is that I am not throwing my butt back far enough, just throwing my weight upward, then pulling up on the handlebars, so that at max front wheel height, my arms are practically at my chest...
    Hmmm that's odd, you really shouldn't need to have your butt hang back out. It really is just a crouch and spring.

    edit: Actually you do hang your butt out but usually only when you are going for big air and once you are starting to tuck, notice in these stills how the seat is coming up to meet my butt. If I hang it out back, then the seat can come up to my chest. Basically your seat is what will limit your height as it will hit your a$$ or your chest depending.
    Guys, on whether or not to throw one's butt back at the initiation stage, check out this tutorial http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx0703.html
    I'm just a beginner and have attempted this approach on several rides with mixed results. I think that while perhaps there are benefits to it (e.g., you use your body mass to lift the front wheel up), it is harder to master because -- at least in my experience -- finding the balance proves more elusive. Most of the time I either overdo it and to avoid falling backwards and landing on my back have to jump off the bike, or don't pull hard enough... When you spring straight up this seems to be less of an issue, but possibly that's a "less elegant" technique, if you know what I mean.

    What's your take on that, Tony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasz
    Guys, on whether or not to throw one's butt back at the initiation stage, check out this tutorial http://www.bmxbasics.org/new/bmx0703.html
    I'm just a beginner and have attempted this approach on several rides with mixed results. I think that while perhaps there are benefits to it (e.g., you use your body mass to lift the front wheel up), it is harder to master because -- at least in my experience -- finding the balance proves more elusive. Most of the time I either overdo it and to avoid falling backwards and landing on my back have to jump off the bike, or don't pull hard enough... When you spring straight up this seems to be less of an issue, but possibly that's a "less elegant" technique, if you know what I mean.

    What's your take on that, Tony?

    Cheers,
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    Without getting into too lengthy of a dialog on it, basically when you're crouched down your ass will be sticking out a little in the back as it is, which is plenty- as it's your body weight that you will throw forward, which some people call a mule kick, to lift the rear of the bike. The front end you should just be pulling up on the bars to lift. If you need to lean back a little to unweight the front end that is ok, although really if you're crouching down when you spring up your body weight going up will lift the bike, basically you're just pulling the bike along with you and you shouldn't need to lean back.

    Anyway at this point we're really getting into style more than anything, personally you don't need to be leaning back at all. Look at the clip where I bunnyhop up four steps, I don't hang back at all, just straight up and down. http://www.secretreality.com/hobbies...s/bunnyhop.mov

    however...
    If you really want to tear it apart, you are doing an 'S' like motion, which I sometimes exagerrate although it's more of a style thing really for most stuff. Like, I'll lean back and lunge forward, but again we're really getting into style with that, you can use it when you are pumping your bike for example. Although it's more for looks than anything until you're doing huge hops, I mean it can help a little bit, although you probably want to avoid stylistic stuff until the basics are really solid otherwise you build bad habits. For really big stuff, yeah you'll need to hang back some because you need such a massive lunge/surge to shoot the bike forward and out from under you. But again, don't mess with that stuff till much later.

    Just my 2cents..
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    this is a wicked awesome site for videos http://www.spaceman.cz/skola_en.htm
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    Great Job!

    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Thanks bro I'm definitely going to continue, I have a whole series in mind. Nothing ever panned out with that other dude that wanted to do that dvd, dunno what was up with that. Anyway, for now I've sidelined them for some other projects I'm working on (got a motorcycle and a Jeep cherokee that needs some TLC) but I'll be picking it back up in not too long and I'll definitely continue the urban stuff. (plus it is easier to film than carrying tripods and camera gear out onto trails)

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    Finally learned how to bunny hop today! But one thing that I am worried about is that instead of using the rocking motion like you do to lift up my back wheel, most of it comes from curling the backside up when I point my toe's downward. Is that not a good technique for doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jordy808
    Finally learned how to bunny hop today! But one thing that I am worried about is that instead of using the rocking motion like you do to lift up my back wheel, most of it comes from curling the backside up when I point my toe's downward. Is that not a good technique for doing this?
    Right on! That's sweet you just pinned it

    Anyway, as far as the "curling the backside up" part, are you talking about your pedals? I'm guessing you're saying that when you're toes point downward, you're using your feet to lift up the back of the bike by pulling up on the pedals when you tuck? If that's the case you're dead on the right track, you're actually using a combination of your feet and the rocking motion whether or not you realize it (just not as much as you should imho). Assuming I'm reading you right that is. You do probably want to conciously try to rock forward as well though, as your feet will not give you the same amount of clearance you can get from the rocking/pushing forward action.
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    cool, Thanks man, I really appreciate how you time the music with your first take off

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    My original plan was to just shoot a bunch of little mini-vids like this one, but a full length tutorial video would probably be better. I'm actually relatively close, I'm in Livermore which is ~30mi from where you're at if I recall, a shorter distance than my daily work commute into the South Bay . I just got back from 6 years in HelLA, but I grew up in the East Bay Area. So anyway yeah, I guess I'm down, when is this happening?

    btw: I have a Canon DV camcorder and tripod if that could be of any use for alt angles.

    mail me at: [email protected] <- remove YOURBRAIN to msg me, its an anti-spam thing.

    yay annother Bay Rider I am From Half Moon Bay I really liked your video and im sure with my friends encouragement and tips ill be bunnyhopping in no time, the funny thing is that i could get a few inches on my friends 2002 kona roast hmmm mabe its just the crappy fork that i have anywho Thanks For making that video on your own time I really apreciate it (pardon my spelling, long day) now its raining but when it stops ill be sure to give it a shot.

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    flowmaster could u change format of ur vid?

    hey flowmaster i want to watch ur bunny hop tutorial but my windows media player is kinda screwed.. could u change the file format mpg of avi?? all u hafta do is save da file in dat format from da media player... i really wanna watch it..

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    Hey Flow great movie ive almost got it (I think) I just got a brand new bike so im going to have to get used to it first but when I do ill be bunny hopping in no time

    ps: I live in Half Moon Bay S of SF bay riders unite

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Ok guys, this is my first attempt at making a tutorial of any kind so bear with me. I think it is a pretty decent guide that should get you going in no time. Requests for instructions on bunnyhopping come up all the time so I figured a video tutorial was in order. You can read all you want but unless you watch it happening I don't think reading volumes of text is going to help much. However, in addition to this video, I do advise you to read some of the instructional pages out there as there are some really good tips.

    I tried to keep it real simple, though incredibly versitile the bunnyhop is actually a really basic trick. I've got several examples inside and I break it down frame by frame. In volume 2, I'll go over some other methods of bunnyhopping as well as some very trick ways to use it on the trail and maybe a quick session around town.

    Here are two versions, differing only in resolution and size. Please RIGHT CLICK and choose SAVE TARGET AS to save these files to your computer for playback.

    This one is 320x200 at about 7MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_320x200.wmv

    This one is 640x480 and about 30MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_640x480.wmv

    Get out there and practice, practice, practice! You'll be airborne in no time! Good luck!

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    Dude, awesome job an all of your vids! And cool soundtrack too. Best tutorials I've seen by far. The bunnyhop, the ollie of mtbiking, opens up a wholenew world of possibilities.
    Love 1.5 because you broke down the move into 2 sections. On 1 a slow motion sequence where you exxagerate the crouching motion before the "spring up" would be the icing on the cake. Can't wait for video #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayniac
    hey flowmaster i want to watch ur bunny hop tutorial but my windows media player is kinda screwed.. could u change the file format mpg of avi?? all u hafta do is save da file in dat format from da media player... i really wanna watch it..
    download bsplayer

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    bunny hop

    Love'ed that vid.

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    Flow,

    Thanks the short tutorial video!
    I just started weekend riding late last year and bunny hopping is the first skill I wanted to learn.
    By watching this video, recording myself, then comparing them, I was able to reach an 8" bunny hop in about 20 minutes. I've got a lot of work to do on my technique, but your video has certainly gotten me over the first obstacle

    Thanks again
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    Even though you've already had tons of encouragement I'll say a bit more. I've read everything I could and looked at all the frame by frame shots I could and just couldn't get more than an inch or so off the ground with my back wheel. If a picture is worth a thousand words then your video is worth... a lot. I'm getting some actually half decent air now and I'm betting it will only get better- thanks.

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    So by the video's standards, I should stop, in the middle of a trail, lower my seat, and THEN bunnyhop?

    Hahaha, yeah. I'll try it next time I guess. :rollseyes

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    Or you could just figure out how to bunny hop with your seat at normal height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    So by the video's standards, I should stop, in the middle of a trail, lower my seat, and THEN bunnyhop?

    Hahaha, yeah. I'll try it next time I guess. :rollseyes
    Of course not.

    The idea is to teach you how to bunnyhop, plain and simple.

    By moving the seat out of the way the learning process is simpler. Once you get it down, you can learn how to do it with the seat at XC height, which is discussed in this thread and will be demonstrated in the second video, or whatever height you ride with it at.

    Please keep in mind that these videos are a series of tutorials to teach basics. To give newer riders more tools to have at their disposal. What they do with them is up to them, including making it suit their riding style and ability. Hopefully you can find them of some use, if not I do have a series in mind.

    I'm just trying to keep the community positive and people progressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilson
    Or you could just figure out how to bunny hop with your seat at normal height.
    I basically just answered that with my last post, but it is far easier for complete beginners to learn with the seat out of the way. Once they have it down they can do what they want with it. Plus in another tutorial that will cover 180's and such, I'll go over how to bunnyhop with the seart at XC height.

    Keep in mind, normal height is different for everyone. I ride with my seat at that height almost all the time for street and trail riding. That's my particular style and it works well for me. I also downhill most of the time and having the seat low like that is a requirement on the trails I ride.

    I made this tutorial simply because there are so many people out there that can't just figure it out like you mentioned and so far it has been well received. I have had many email onversations with people in places I would never have thought, that have used the video along with a lot of practice and learned to bunnyhop. That is really cool imho
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    I completely agree with what you are saying.
    I should have quoted the previous poster, my post was in reply to theirs.

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    Good job! Respect for riders

    I wish I could but there are just too many responses to reply to everyone individually. I just wanted to give everyone that has made progression in their riding, taking things to another level, by taking advantage of whatever means they have at their disposal a big thumbs up. Whether it has been through this forum and videos, books and friends or just plain riding your asses off, good job!

    As far as the couple of guys that have come in recently with some negative comments, I take it with a grain of salt. I made this vid a year ago with a digital camera and Windows movie maker just to prove a point and if it taught just one person how to bunnyhop I would have been pleased. I'm just really glad I was able to give back to the mtb community in a positive way.

    The fact that this thread has gone for over a year with only a positive discussion has been amazing to me. New guys, please try to keep it positive. If you don't like something, have constructive criticism or do something better. I would love to learn another technique or style and I'll post up pix/vid results, teach me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilson
    I completely agree with what you are saying.
    I should have quoted the previous poster, my post was in reply to theirs.
    My bad, right on then
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Of course not.

    The idea is to teach you how to bunnyhop, plain and simple.

    By moving the seat out of the way the learning process is simpler. Once you get it down, you can learn how to do it with the seat at XC height, which is discussed in this thread and will be demonstrated in the second video, or whatever height you ride with it at.

    Please keep in mind that these videos are a series of tutorials to teach basics. To give newer riders more tools to have at their disposal. What they do with them is up to them, including making it suit their riding style and ability. Hopefully you can find them of some use, if not I do have a series in mind.

    I'm just trying to keep the community positive and people progressing.
    Gotcha

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    Flowmaster,

    This is a great tutorial, very informative. In fact, when I went to practice using your technique, I was airborne in about 5 tries. I do have one question though. Even though I can get about 6 inches of air vertically, I can't seem to get any horizontal distance. Do you have any tips?

    Thanks in advance,
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    Hi,

    Thank you sooo much for making these tutorials, I cant wait for the next one. But i still have a problem with getting much air. I learnt in the first 5 minutes after watching your video, exept i can get barely any air. I get about 2-4 inches (sorry im from Australia, not that good with inches and stuff). When i tried the motion where i lift my legs and but up after i pull the front up, my feet just came straight off the pedals and i fell down hard . So if you have any tips for me i would be really grateful. Thank you.

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    Hi,

    Thank you sooo much for making these tutorials, I cant wait for the next one. But i still have a problem with getting much air. I learnt in the first 5 minutes after watching your video, exept i can get barely any air. I get about 2-4 inches (sorry im from Australia, not that good with inches and stuff). When i tried the motion where i lift my legs and but up after i pull the front up, my feet just came straight off the pedals and i fell down hard . So if you have any tips for me i would be really grateful. Thank you.

    P.S My bike is a Shogun Floater (shogun is an Australian brand so you guys probably dont know it?) For the specs and a picture go to http://www.shogunbicycles.com.au and Then click Freeride and the click the floater, Thanx again.

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    Thanks Flow! I have grabbed all 3 vids, and now I can't wait for tomorrow! I can't wait for more either!

    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VDknuckles
    Flowmaster,

    This is a great tutorial, very informative. In fact, when I went to practice using your technique, I was airborne in about 5 tries. I do have one question though. Even though I can get about 6 inches of air vertically, I can't seem to get any horizontal distance. Do you have any tips?

    Thanks in advance,
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    Hey VDK cool deal on getting that down

    Anyway, for more distance just go a little faster. You'll notice that if you go slower it is a little easier to get more height, at least in the beginning, but it won't always be that way. In the picture at the end of the vid where I'm bunnyhopping that creek, I was hauling some serious a$$ to make sure I could clear that and I still had good height.

    Another thing you can do if you want/need to keep the speed down for some reason, technical part of a trail, nowhere to get speed, whatever... is to increase the effort you use when you throw your body forward. So like you would hang back a little further and really throw your weight forward. Another thing you can do is get a swing going, kind of an S like motion, front, back, throw. Kinda hard to describe but I could record a quick example if you need to see it. It also adds a little more style
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSoj
    Hi,

    Thank you sooo much for making these tutorials, I cant wait for the next one. But i still have a problem with getting much air. I learnt in the first 5 minutes after watching your video, exept i can get barely any air. I get about 2-4 inches (sorry im from Australia, not that good with inches and stuff). When i tried the motion where i lift my legs and but up after i pull the front up, my feet just came straight off the pedals and i fell down hard . So if you have any tips for me i would be really grateful. Thank you.

    P.S My bike is a Shogun Floater (shogun is an Australian brand so you guys probably dont know it?) For the specs and a picture go to http://www.shogunbicycles.com.au and Then click Freeride and the click the floater, Thanx again.
    Don't sell yourself short man, the fact that you learned how to bunnyhop in 5min is awesome!

    Anyway, I checked out your bike and it is setup very well for what we're doing here so your bike shouldn't really be a problem. When you are pulling up on the front end of the bike, how much height are you getting? (metric is fine) You'll want to get that up fairly high before you throw your weight forward, if you notice in the video, it looks like I'm practically wheelie'ing before I even start to bring up the back end. Also I'm exaggerating, but you should have the front tire fairly high. Careful though, you can bail off the back with ease. But I'd say, try that again with more height out of the front end before you try lifting the back.

    Good luck bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Don't sell yourself short man, the fact that you learned how to bunnyhop in 5min is awesome!

    Anyway, I checked out your bike and it is setup very well for what we're doing here so your bike shouldn't really be a problem. When you are pulling up on the front end of the bike, how much height are you getting? (metric is fine) You'll want to get that up fairly high before you throw your weight forward, if you notice in the video, it looks like I'm practically wheelie'ing before I even start to bring up the back end. Also I'm exaggerating, but you should have the front tire fairly high. Careful though, you can bail off the back with ease. But I'd say, try that again with more height out of the front end before you try lifting the back.

    Good luck bro
    Hmm, i can get up bout 40cm i think?, thats pulling up really hard. Im a bit paranoid about pulling up too high though, because my forks make a big sort of clunk noise when i push down hardish, then pull up hard. I asked my dad about it (He doesnt know all that much about bikes, but he knows a bit) and he said dont worry bout it, just keep doing it, because if it breaks, then the warranty has to cover it because its a jump bike and it should be made for that stuff. Lol. I thought that the forks might be a bit soft, but the adjusters dont seem to to anything at all really. So i might goto the bike shop i got it from and see if they can tighten them for me (is that possible?)

    Also, yesterday after school I stayed in the coutyard with some friends and we were just doing bunnyhops and stuff and on his bike, a Kona shred or scrap or something (he payed $2k aussie for it in 2005 so...whatever bike is in that range) and i got around 20-25cm bunnyhop air in it, i was wrapped. But when i get back on my bike, i only manage to get 10-15.

    Thanx flow, your a great help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Hey VDK cool deal on getting that down

    Anyway, for more distance just go a little faster. You'll notice that if you go slower it is a little easier to get more height, at least in the beginning, but it won't always be that way. In the picture at the end of the vid where I'm bunnyhopping that creek, I was hauling some serious a$$ to make sure I could clear that and I still had good height.

    Another thing you can do if you want/need to keep the speed down for some reason, technical part of a trail, nowhere to get speed, whatever... is to increase the effort you use when you throw your body forward. So like you would hang back a little further and really throw your weight forward. Another thing you can do is get a swing going, kind of an S like motion, front, back, throw. Kinda hard to describe but I could record a quick example if you need to see it. It also adds a little more style
    That's okay, the vid isn't needed. I'm pretty sure I understand what you're saying when you say to use an S like motion. Now to go practice!

    Thanks again,
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    Hey thanks for the great video
    Shame that i still carnt get it rite
    How high should the front be before you try to shift your weight
    At the moment i get about 30 cm lift of the front wheel but none for the back
    Any Ideas?
    Ps. Been practising for a week and ride a 24" Hardtail MTB
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    Thanks a ton! I look forward to your other stuff!!!!

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    That is very impressive video. Man I dont know how you did it but the quality and angles were great. Awsome instruction as well.

    Thanks for the great vid
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    Very cool, i'm sure this will help a lot of people. Not myself really, I was in the BMX scene a while ago, so I got the bunny hop, or as me and my friends call it the "j-hop".

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    awsome tutorial, great job, im going out to try it now
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    I learned by hitting the front brake, and using my feet to pull up the rear wheel. Then i could do that while moving, and then just pull up and do the same thing and you're set.

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    Update:

    I just got on my new bike(ibex alpine 450) and damn, I am having trouble getting the feel right. I can't get the front high enough to really make the hop feel good. I can get the back up fine, but when i lean back and pull up, it really doesn't feel right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis712
    Update:

    I just got on my new bike(ibex alpine 450) and damn, I am having trouble getting the feel right. I can't get the front high enough to really make the hop feel good. I can get the back up fine, but when i lean back and pull up, it really doesn't feel right.
    Maybe give it more time? All new bikes feel wierd. Or lean back even farther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raghavan
    Maybe give it more time? All new bikes feel wierd. Or lean back even farther.

    Yeah it's been horrible here in new england. I have less then an hour on the bike because of the weather. -Travis

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    Good video, the one thing I want to add that sombody else had on a tutorial that really made the diffrence was that for your simple explanatoin of "tuck the bike into you" they had you learn first a basic manual, then a basic endo, then put them together for the bunny hop. The motion you use to lift the rear wheel off the ground with no brake help is like trying to donky kick sombody or pick up the back of your bike with the pedals, once I got that concept it was easy to turn any front wheel lift into a bunnyhop.

    another quick hint is to make sure you use your weight to lift the bike instead of trying to "pull" the bike up with your arms. Much easier, less fatiquing and will get you higher ^^ to a novice it may look like you yanked your bike back with your arms even tho I know it was just you swinging your weight back and letting your extended arms transfer the energy thru to the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 古強者死神
    Good video, the one thing I want to add that sombody else had on a tutorial that really made the diffrence was that for your simple explanatoin of "tuck the bike into you" they had you learn first a basic manual, then a basic endo, then put them together for the bunny hop. The motion you use to lift the rear wheel off the ground with no brake help is like trying to donky kick sombody or pick up the back of your bike with the pedals, once I got that concept it was easy to turn any front wheel lift into a bunnyhop.

    another quick hint is to make sure you use your weight to lift the bike instead of trying to "pull" the bike up with your arms. Much easier, less fatiquing and will get you higher ^^ to a novice it may look like you yanked your bike back with your arms even tho I know it was just you swinging your weight back and letting your extended arms transfer the energy thru to the bike.
    Thanks man, the other thing that is cool is that as more and more people that already know how to bunnyhop chime in, it just adds to the useful content of the thread for the people learning.

    Anyway I know what you're saying, after I made that vid I was like hrm... tuck up into body, people might not get that. So I broke it down in another vid I recorded. I don't do it manual/endo style, but the concept is essentially the same. Check it out here: https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.p...o+1.5+bunnyhop


    Also, I know this thread is pretty long, but if you read through it there is some discussion on throwing weight around to accomplish the lift and what not, here are some previous discussion replies:

    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Without getting into too lengthy of a dialog on it, basically when you're crouched down your ass will be sticking out a little in the back as it is, which is plenty- as it's your body weight that you will throw forward, which some people call a mule kick, to lift the rear of the bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    If you really want to tear it apart, you are doing an 'S' like motion, which I sometimes exagerrate although it's more of a style thing really for most stuff. Like, I'll lean back and lunge forward, but again we're really getting into style with that,

    https://www.secretreality.com/hobbie...s/bunnyhop.mov
    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Also make sure you are crouching down pretty good, that way when you spring up and pull you've got your body weight lifting the bike, not just your arms,
    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Another thing you can do if you want/need to keep the speed down for some reason, technical part of a trail, nowhere to get speed, whatever... is to increase the effort you use when you throw your body forward. So like you would hang back a little further and really throw your weight forward. Another thing you can do is get a swing going, kind of an S like motion, front, back, throw. Kinda hard to describe...
    Honestly I just think the video is just ok, it's the discussion in here that makes it good. Thanks for the comments and everyone keep practicing!

    New guys- This trail bunnyhop is an achievable goal. You can do it!
    PRACTICE!
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    Nicely Done Video.
    One Question - WHERE IS YOUR HELMET?
    if your going to develop trianing videos make sure you wear a helmet

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    Idea! Simplify "bunny hops"???

    Dear flowmaster and other bunny hops riders :

    About the video of "volume 1 bunny hops"; you had mentioned that we need to lower seat and the handle bar, I was just wondering if it is possible without lowering anything???

    If possible, can you guys tell me how... Because you are not ment to lower seat and change the height of the handle bar just for a few bunny hops across the trail. I mean, is a way to simplify "how to do bunny hops" without these lowering changes?

    If it's not possible... Don't need to worry about it.

    Thank you.
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    You can keep your seat height the same, I have never lowered mine. He stated that for the fact that he is trying to make the whole thing as easy as possible and that "tuck" you do with the bike is much easier to perform with the seat lowered but by no means needed.

    I would recomend not doing it as so you can keep your proper pedal height and ergo, and not get used to any sort of handicap.

    ^^ hope you dont mind me answering for you while your asleep flow. As usual im at work with nothing better to do than browse the half dead forums.

    remember to lift up the back of the bike with your legs and shift your pedals to a vertical positon thats the key to the rear wheel lift.

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    Hi Everybody! Would someone tell me how to start a thread?

    I wanna get your guys feedback on what would make a nice commuting bike that can be jumped and is light (under 30 pounds).

    Thanks!

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    Smile Easy!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by fmf
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    I wanna get your guys feedback on what would make a nice commuting bike that can be jumped and is light (under 30 pounds).

    Thanks!
    Hi there... Welcome to MTBR forum. I'm not the admin of this website. But I can sure help you... Go to the topic forum you want, like beginers corner, trails, etc.

    --> http://forums.mtbr.com/index.php

    Select your topic. Then on the top left corner. Click on "New Thread". Easy!

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    Have I been confusing a J-hop and a bunnyhop? I though a bunnyhop was when you basically jumped and carried the bike up with you, so that both wheels left the ground at nearly the same time. My "J-hop" looks like your bunnyhop.

    As far as the wheelie drop goes, are you basically just letting the back wheel roll off of the bench after pulling the front up?

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    Kids started calling the Bunnyhop the J-Hop, same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyharry
    Have I been confusing a J-hop and a bunnyhop? I though a bunnyhop was when you basically jumped and carried the bike up with you, so that both wheels left the ground at nearly the same time. My "J-hop" looks like your bunnyhop.

    As far as the wheelie drop goes, are you basically just letting the back wheel roll off of the bench after pulling the front up?
    Actually you've been bunnyhopping.

    The whole "J-Hop" thing really annoys me, so don't take any of this personally but-

    A bunnyhop is exactly as described in the video, front wheel up first. Very recently people have also been referring to this as a J-Hop.

    Some could say the "J-Hop" is more of a rolling manual followed by lifting the rear wheel. The technique is exactly the same, it's just a variation on the style of a bunnyhop. There are a lot of style variations, it makes no sense to name them all.

    Of course this should not be confused with the Japslap, (do a google on it for more info)
    The "J-Hop" was coined around the time when it became very common for people to call the lifting both wheels at the same time method a bunnyhop. The reason for this is that it is quite easy to lift the bike with your feet clipped in and it takes almost no skill. It could be said that the "J-Hop" actually is a slightly different trick because of the slight change in style, that it is somewhere between a japslap and a bunnyhop, hence j-hop. But again there are a lot of style variations, it makes no sense to name them all.

    One big style variation is the swinging S method, are we going to start calling that something else? S-Hop... I mean really.

    So basically "J-Hop" is just another name for the real trick... a bunnyhop.

    Imagine if after you just ollie'd over a big gap with a little of your own style in there and some skater said "man that was a sweet north you just pulled!" And you're like, wtf are you talking about? Same thing.

    Ok anyway enough of that

    Regarding the wheelie drop, yeah your back tire just rolls off the edge, don't forget the pedal surge. Get it down on a bench or curb, move up to a picnic table and eventually loading docks will be no problem.
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    I could argue that there's a difference between a/n (ollie) north and an ollie (there is), but I get your point. Lurch's are awesome looking, especially when Ryan Leech does them. I think he learned to ride a bike before he learned to walk.


    An ollie north is a regular ollie, but you pull your front foot off the board and bring it back on before landing.

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    Gr... tried for an hour, only can get the front up and tried just getting the rear, no luck!... must keep trying!!! btw, SUPER SWEET VIDEO MAN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyharry
    I could argue that there's a difference between a/n (ollie) north and an ollie (there is), but I get your point. Lurch's are awesome looking, especially when Ryan Leech does them. I think he learned to ride a bike before he learned to walk.

    An ollie north is a regular ollie, but you pull your front foot off the board and bring it back on before landing.
    Lol you're right though, I totally see your point as well. I dunno, I just think it gets to be a bit overkill to name every little variation on a trick. Anyway, I just threw north out there, I didn't know it was actually a trick. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by boostaddctn
    Gr... tried for an hour, only can get the front up and tried just getting the rear, no luck!... must keep trying!!! btw, SUPER SWEET VIDEO MAN!
    Thanks man there will definitely be more to come.

    One thing you might want to do is check out the practice session video if you're having trouble with the back tire. That video goes more into breaking the bunnyhop down into individual steps, dunno might help. Good luck!

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=99102
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    Could you please post a link to your 3rd vid as well? Thanks!

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    Thanks! I'll give it a try

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    wow thanks, just tried it right now, and experienced a lot of road rash. no pain , no gain...

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    great video! can someone do one of these on doing a wheelie and holding it

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    i'm subscribing to this thread. thanks for the sweet thread to help us noobs out.
    i just started riding this summer so i'll be refering back to this and i look forward to seeing more tutorial threads.

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    can u help me flow? i can already bunnyhop but i cant get my bunnyhops very high and i dont know why i ride a hardtail if this has anything to do with it and would like to know if u got any hints/tips and i watched the video and cant wait for more!!!

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    it's easy to get the front wheel high to air, but the trick is to get the rear wheel to catch up the front wheel height. So from my point of view you should practice to get the rear one up as much you can. When your front wheel is up in the air, with quick movement push on pedals quite hard (same time hold tight on the handelbar, because the force which you push on the pedals is coming from pushing the legs away from handlebar) and then with a sudden movement push your body up to air (same time you stop pushing the on pedals) and you'll move towards the sky and fly like a bird. As simple as that Hopefully this explanation will help you, this is how i would describe my bunnyhop second stage (getting the rear wheel up) with words.
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    Nice video. Hopefully I will learn something from it. I never can get my rear in the air much. I guess I am not shifting my wieght very well.

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    Is the 2 out yet??? I can't find it... Can someone give me a link to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acid
    can u help me flow? i can already bunnyhop but i cant get my bunnyhops very high and i dont know why i ride a hardtail if this has anything to do with it and would like to know if u got any hints/tips and i watched the video and cant wait for more!!!
    I lag, my bad.

    Anyway, if you've already gone through the thread there are a ton of hints and tips on getting more air. Being on a hardtail is not a detrimental thing, if anything it helps you out. For more air try maybe getting your front tire higher into the air before you try to take off with the back, also make sure you have a good medium speed. Too slow and you'll go straight up and down, too fast and you won't get much height but you'll get more distance. Like anything, practice makes perfect. Stick with it brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derwin.lau
    Is the 2 out yet??? I can't find it... Can someone give me a link to it?
    Haven't gotten around to shooting 2 yet, sorry. Been too busy riding bikes with motors lately

    I ought to try to get something going again soon though, I do want to do more in the series of tutorials again soon here.

    I"ll post it up here when I do of course.
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    No good UH wat dus jesus have to do wit mtbing?

    why ya gotta bring in da king of jews on dis one?

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    bikes with motors

    Yeah, I understand that one!

    Video is great, simple and easy to understand.

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    yes we have lift off thanks heaps worked well

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    I have lift off but its only about half a foot. Do you know any way to improve that? should i give it alot more spring when I try or should I just practice more.

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    nice tutorial, mate. will be trying that soon enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardrockman
    I have lift off but its only about half a foot. Do you know any way to improve that? should i give it alot more spring when I try or should I just practice more.

    Thanks,
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    Get the front tire up a little higher and use throw your body weight around more, check out the 1.5 vid practice session also posted in this forum. I'll go over more height in the next vid which is "advanced" bunnyhops, 180's, 90's, sidehops etc. Good luck bro
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    (snip)

    Here are two versions, differing only in resolution and size. Please RIGHT CLICK and choose SAVE TARGET AS to save these files to your computer for playback.

    This one is 320x200 at about 7MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_320x200.wmv

    This one is 640x480 and about 30MB:
    http://www.secretreality.com/mtb/tut...op_640x480.wmv

    Get out there and practice, practice, practice! You'll be airborne in no time! Good luck!

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    All I am getting on opening either link is a document that says 404 VOID ........ any help ?

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    hey...I can't view either one of the videos for some reason...can't save them either...all that happens is I'm redirected to a solid webpage...am I doing something wrong?? Or is the video still up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyman
    All I am getting on opening either link is a document that says 404 VOID ........ any help ?
    ...same here

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    Sorry fellas, I'm rearranging my site and I accidently moved that folder. Should be back up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Sorry fellas, I'm rearranging my site and I accidently moved that folder. Should be back up now.
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    Dude.....you're a genius...that was fantastic.

    Look forward to watching more of your videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    Sorry fellas, I'm rearranging my site and I accidently moved that folder. Should be back up now.
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    Many thanks !!

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    Thank you Oh so very Much

    All of this time I have been just pulling up on my handle bars (not shifting my wieght at all) and pushing them forward. I haven't gotten very high doing this but with your videos I've been able to get at least a foot in the air. I even made a video of my own.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyEd2HRjnZs

    I hope to be able to get higher with more practice.

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    I cant thank you enough, flowmaster. Thanks to you, i finally did my first bunny hops today . I wish my friend would have been so helpful when i started. Now i just gonna keep on doing them and go higher and higher. Thank you so much.

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    Trying to learn, first of all got some questions:
    I probably need a shorter stem, I'm trying to bunny hop on my 1992 paramount and its stem is hella long, its about 130mm.

    I cant find a stem really that is like 90mm or so and is quill or fits 1 1/8...
    I can lift my front wheel mabye 9 inches off the ground, should i start practicing even though my hops will be little or should I wait until i find a shorter stem?

    edit: is it easier with riser bars?

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    Thanks alot flowmaster.
    I used to have a completely different way of bunny hopping, i pulled both wheels of the ground at the same time, i could only get up about 15cm.
    Now im practicing the " proper" way and im getting much better.
    Thanks again
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    I can't seem to get both wheels off the ground higher than 2 inches... I can wheelie up to 12inches, but when i try bunnyhopping with flowmaster's technique, i can only jump maybe 2 inches! Can someone please help?

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    Try doing it with a little more speed, put an old shoe down so you have a target to jump over.
    Im not exactly a pro so thats all i can offer.
    Good Luck
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    lol - thats what i just did.... it worked.....2/10 times. the other 8 tries amounted to a a mediocre wheelie with a strange looking pelvic thrust and a lot of jerking the handlebars... I guess practice is the key...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzo
    lol - thats what i just did.... it worked.....2/10 times. the other 8 tries amounted to a a mediocre wheelie with a strange looking pelvic thrust and a lot of jerking the handlebars... I guess practice is the key...
    Practice is the key,
    If you think you are bad, you should have seen me the first time i tried.
    I was heading towards a kerb at about 20kph, and as i was just about to jump i had this strange reflex and slammed on the front brake... i endo'ed my bike over onto myself and got a nice cut on my arm from the pedals and a handlebar in my ribs.
    Try to find a situation where you need to bunny hop or you will crash, worked for me .
    Good Luck
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    ill try that tomorrow... really 20k/h?
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    Yeah - it was pissing down rain and i was soaked,cold and covered in mud, i wanted to get home.

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    ok so i tried speed today, but i still can't get that rear wheel off the ground higher than two inches! all i ended up with was a pair of very sore arms from all the jerking(on the handlebars of course )... another problem is i cannot get my rear wheel up like in the volume 1.5 video.... if i get that down, ill jump much higher.... any tips?

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    Speaking of sore arms, i rode for 4 hours after school yesterday, bunny hopping and rock riding the whole time WITHOUT gloves, blisters hurt .
    Are you compressing your suspension before you jump, i always found that gives me a bit of extra height.
    I learned about 4 days ago and can now bunny hop 3 bricks stacked up, when you get used to it its hell easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzo
    ok so i tried speed today, but i still can't get that rear wheel off the ground higher than two inches! all i ended up with was a pair of very sore arms from all the jerking(on the handlebars of course )... another problem is i cannot get my rear wheel up like in the volume 1.5 video.... if i get that down, ill jump much higher.... any tips?
    Ok, I'm new here and I'll admit I didn't read every single previous post about this... lob a brick at me for that if you choose but I wanted to encourage Hanzo and the others who seem to be just starting.

    Here's a couple ideas that might help:

    If you're just learning, a 2" bunnyhop is actually really good - it means you have the rough movement down and are capable of mastering the timing.

    It is VERY MUCH a timing thing and not a strength thing. If you're getting sore arms, you may be trying too hard. However, it does work certain muscles that will get sore in the beginning no matter what.

    You want to *bounce* off your back wheel although on a rigid bike you can bounce off both in the beginning. Think of your bike as a spring - you gotta compress it and *as it pushes back, you push back with it (and pull up)*. Timing is everything.

    Once upon a time, the timing was just about the same for all bikes. Now it's not and bunnyhopping a FS bike requires a different timing than a hardtail. The fast/quick movement of bunnyhopping a hardtail won't work on a FS where you'll have to delay your push off until the suspension is ready to push back (it seems possible that *some* FS bikes may make it difficult... not sure about that myself but I know a couple people who can't hop their FS rigs well but they rock on a HT). You'll have to learn the timing on your particular bike. But whether it's a rear shock or just a back tire, think of your bike as your spring.

    It's similar to pulling an "ollie" on a skateboard in that it needs to be a well timed smooth fluid movement. That only comes with LOTS of practice. It needs to be completely second nature - especially to use it effectively on the trail.

    Since you can do 2", my recommendation would be to NOT focus on trying to get higher or be able to bunnyhop trail objects just yet. Focus on smooth. Do your 2" bunnyhop all the time, everywhere you go, as much as possible. I'm talking weeks to months here. In time, you'll stop getting sore and you'll notice you're hopping higher, smoother, and landing in control with your body in the right position.

    Hopping small objects that it's ok to hit with either tire is good practice. Driveway curbs are everywhere and won't slam you if you blow it. You don't wanna hit either tire but most of all, you need to clear your front wheel - every time. Same goes for the hop in general: if you completely flub 2 out of 5 hop attempts, do you really wanna try and bunnyhop up that curb at 30mph? Flubbing a high speed hop on something as unforgiving as a curb usually results in a much worse crash than if you'd just lifted the front wheel and slammed into it with the rear wheel (I'd rather lose a wheel than teeth myself...).

    Lastly, if you're trying to pull the bike up with your feet (via toe clips or cleats), I'd stop ASAP and put flats on that bike until you have the movement absolutely wired. You don't need to be strapped in to bunnyhop high and trying to pull up with your feet may distract you from the basic movements. Later on you can strap in and magic, more height!

    Remeber to be very patient. As far as i can tell, bunnyhopping is the single hardest basic skill to master and it may take years before it's absolutely second nature.

    Ok, didn't mean to write a book. But hey, ASCI is free.

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    thanks for the essay man! I have been practicing, and now can get my rear wheel up ~4" in the air with my front wheel still on the ground, and i can now do a wheelie about 1' high! this brings my total bunnyhop hight to ~4" !

    And just for the record, i have a Hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    I'm no wheelie king, but... I would guess that you are probably using a gear that is too low which is a pretty common mistake on an mtb. You should ideally use something in the middle and have some sort of rolling speed before you do your pedal surge and pull up on the bars.

    btw: Anyone interested in a video explaining drop offs / wheelie drops?
    Great video--thanks. Yes, please do a video on drops/wheelie drops!

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    Great video--thanks. Yes, please do a video on drops/wheelie drops!
    Why don't you check out www.totalvid.com
    I believe it's free for a week or two.Check out West Coast Freeride.

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    Am I the only one who can't find Volume II and III? Or are they not out yet?

    Great job, btw

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    Flowmaster, thanks for the tutorial! I've been riding for 10+ years, and never really had any one "teach" me how to do a bunny hop. I could get over some things, but my height and distance have improved a TON from watching and hearing your explanation. I didn't really practice on the street at all, just took what you taught straight to the trail, and was clearing stuff I had to hit w/ the rear wheel last month. Thanks again.

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    Great Vid! need to slow down the beginning text a little bit...is the technique the same for a HT? I can never get the back of my bike to come up much at all...

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    Awesome vid, nice job, I used to be able to hop a garbage can when I was a kid (ya know when bread cost a nickel blah,blah,blah) now I'm forty w/ an FS and trying to clear logs at speed on the trail w/ partial success. Your vid brought the right technique all back!! My question is how would you modify the technique for those who have their seat much higher for better pedaling postion for xc rides but still need to hop over stuff?

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    Anyone know the artist in the background music on this vid?

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    eggraid: Thanks man, glad it helped out

    crazylax: Yeah same technique, stick with it brother, it will just come to you and once it does, you're set.

    sdsanta: That song is called Battleflag by the Lo Fidelity All Stars on the album "How to Operate With a Blown Mind"
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    Various Street Trick Tutorials

    For various trick tips and tutorial go to: http://rivierariders.blogspot.com/

    This includes videos, pitures and more

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    For me what's really made a difference in learning the bunnyhop has been lowering the saddle (duh) and really get the back wheel hop movement dialed, pretty much anybody can lift the front wheel but it's the real wheel that's less natural to lift, once you can do it you can hop.

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    Thanks for the videos. They're very helpful.

    Question for everyone: What's the weight of your bike?

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    I am the guy who asked you on youtube if I could do it on an XC hardtail...

    Right now, I just switched my stem for a shorter, FR-style one. right now, I can only feel air when I am "attempt to bunnyhop" over humps... and sometimes, I even fail to take off! And sometimes, I land at a steep angle, causing me to lose control...

    I crouch, and try to spring up, but only the front wheel rises. What am I doing wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suicidebomber
    I am the guy who asked you on youtube if I could do it on an XC hardtail...

    Right now, I just switched my stem for a shorter, FR-style one. right now, I can only feel air when I am "attempt to bunnyhop" over humps... and sometimes, I even fail to take off! And sometimes, I land at a steep angle, causing me to lose control...

    I crouch, and try to spring up, but only the front wheel rises. What am I doing wrong?
    Check out this thread and video, might help. There is a picture I drew partway down that further illustrates it. Post up results, good luck bro

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...rial+video+1.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdjs
    Thanks for the videos. They're very helpful.

    Question for everyone: What's the weight of your bike?
    The one I'm riding in the video is about 37lbs. I've bunnyhopped a 55lb bike as well, it definitely takes your height down a bit, but when you're bombing down a trail, you're typically just doing it to clear relatively small obstacles 1ft and down anyway.
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    Omfg I Did It!

    I was practicing the bunnyhop and it was the usual thing: front tire rising, no flight, not happy. I was frustrated by my lack of progress, and was definitely tired.

    So I just stopped and took a breather, and tried to remember what was in the video.

    After pausing to catch my breath, I got up and went out again.

    I stood up, crouched, pulled up and then... I heard two impact sounds, both from my tires.

    OMFG! Did I just do a bunnyhop? I tried it out again. I then cleared a speed bump in one jump. And did it again, and again. I was hooked!

    OMFG! I'm bunnyhopping! Just when I was about to give up, I decided to push some more, then I made it!

    Mr. Flowmaster, I owe you a beer. Make that a keg of beer.
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    clearing half a feet

    pretty new to this bunnyhopping thing, never really tried it seriously before. about a week ago i said what the heck and so i found myself clearing 6 inches hahaha been riding for so long and never thinking i could pull it.

    for now i have a question, how fast do you think you need to be going to pull this maneuver? i mean in a dense forest trail, how fast can you really go to clear a log that you'd notice only 6 feet away? for instance...i am now doing 6 inches but only if im going fast, like around 20kmh

    thanks for the vids...good goin flow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by suicidebomber
    I was practicing the bunnyhop and it was the usual thing: front tire rising, no flight, not happy. I was frustrated by my lack of progress, and was definitely tired.

    So I just stopped and took a breather, and tried to remember what was in the video.

    After pausing to catch my breath, I got up and went out again.

    I stood up, crouched, pulled up and then... I heard two impact sounds, both from my tires.

    OMFG! Did I just do a bunnyhop? I tried it out again. I then cleared a speed bump in one jump. And did it again, and again. I was hooked!

    OMFG! I'm bunnyhopping! Just when I was about to give up, I decided to push some more, then I made it!

    Mr. Flowmaster, I owe you a beer. Make that a keg of beer.
    Awesome brother Stick with it, you'll only get better and better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerjegiler
    pretty new to this bunnyhopping thing, never really tried it seriously before. about a week ago i said what the heck and so i found myself clearing 6 inches hahaha been riding for so long and never thinking i could pull it.

    for now i have a question, how fast do you think you need to be going to pull this maneuver? i mean in a dense forest trail, how fast can you really go to clear a log that you'd notice only 6 feet away? for instance...i am now doing 6 inches but only if im going fast, like around 20kmh

    thanks for the vids...good goin flow!
    Very cool & thx man.

    I'm not sure about what speeds I go because I don't use a speedometer, but generally speaking you can be seriously moving down the trail and have plenty of time to clear just about anything that comes up in front of you. 6 feet is no problem, you can clear things just a foot or two ahead if you react fast.

    Also, more or less speed doesn't necc mean more or less height. I mean it can, but look at this pic for example, I was hauling some serious a$$ to clear the water but I am pretty high up too.


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    That was ROCKIN
    Thanks!

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    I just switched my frame from a lightweight Giant Xtc to a DJ-spec GT Chucker, and what a difference. The weight of the frame just kept me down.

    I could do it, but not as consistent as my first. What's more, I could only just clear maybe an inch, then land. Another thing is that when I try to rise, the narrow handlebar makes me turn the bike (usually to the right), launching at an angle and compromising my landing.

    Should I switch to a longer handlebar? I am setting the bike for DH duties, BTW. Or, do I just need some more upper body strength?
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    any ideas when volume 2 would be coming out as i seemed to have mastered the basics i.e i can buunyhop 6 bricks but cant go any higher
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    Thanks for thie video mang. I new how to bunnyhop before I watched it but I was very inconsistent and my timing was awful. I set up a pile of old street hockey sticks and boards at the local elementry school basketball court and started really small -just one hockey stick, and then stacked the pile of junk in different heights/distances and eventually I figured it out thanks to the little thinks that you've mentioned and the slowmotion. I can get about a foot or so now thanks agiain.

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    u did a good job except u should cut out part of the 120 scenes u hav of jus bunnyhoppin the beer at different speeds

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    i know. . this is a dumb question

    after a month and a half of research and trying bikes, im now one day away from getting a kona 07 shred. i dont give a **** if ne ***hole says "that sucks ****, pony up and get a wutever for more money." thats absolutely all the money i could muster up and i think itll do everything ill wanna do with it for now and I like it sooo . . . im 6"0 212 and trying to get into freeride / dj and (oooh yes im gonna say it) ne other type of riding i wanna do w it (other than racing / competition.) i think it can take it. ill handle the extra weight - my problem.
    question is can i do this bunny hop with my hardtail or does it have to be fs? i know its a DUMB question but wutever. the retard replies will come. . .most of you guys in beginners corner are pretty cool and btw jeeezus nice video. o and where are some other places i can go for fresh out tha gate newb instrxn on freeriding. . .having hard time with google on this one. videos like urs flowmaster are wut i need rite now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfaat
    after a month and a half of research and trying bikes, im now one day away from getting a kona 07 shred. i dont give a **** if ne ***hole says "that sucks ****, pony up and get a wutever for more money." thats absolutely all the money i could muster up and i think itll do everything ill wanna do with it for now and I like it sooo . . . im 6"0 212 and trying to get into freeride / dj and (oooh yes im gonna say it) ne other type of riding i wanna do w it (other than racing / competition.) i think it can take it. ill handle the extra weight - my problem.
    question is can i do this bunny hop with my hardtail or does it have to be fs? i know its a DUMB question but wutever. the retard replies will come. . .most of you guys in beginners corner are pretty cool and btw jeeezus nice video. o and where are some other places i can go for fresh out tha gate newb instrxn on freeriding. . .having hard time with google on this one. videos like urs flowmaster are wut i need rite now.
    You can bunny hop with any bike you wish, heck I can even bunny hop downhill bikes and road bicycles(not recommended, the wheels are flimsy on those). IMO bunny hopping with a full suspension is like using a crutch as you use the rebound of your rear shock to help you up, same as bunny hopping while clipped in. Downhill bikes are a biatch to bunny hop because of their weight and the fact that they wallow in their suspension like fat pigs.

    I can bunny hop on top of picnic tables on a 35lbs hardtail with no clips. I plan on posting up a video(probably in the next week or two) similar to the one at the beginning of this thread, in the Urban/DJ/Park forum as well as here. I figure having 2 examples is better than one, and you can combine both techniques to suit yourself better. I just need to find someone that can hold a camera still and I need to find some time to do some editing, I just got a youtube account to post the video up, all I need is footage now.

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    Without reading thru this monster thread...did somene touch on bunny hops with clipless pedals? I would think you'd have a advantage with clipless getting the back end up. I really need to just get over the whole fear of falling backwards I guess
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    having a bit of trouble

    ive been riding dirt jumps for a bit but i never new houw to bunny hop
    ive tried wat all the websites say but wen i pull up and kindof push of and go forward all that hapens is the front weel goes bak and my feet that are are in the air because the bike should be just come bak dow and miss and painfull things happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillsy 13
    ive been riding dirt jumps for a bit but i never new houw to bunny hop
    ive tried wat all the websites say but wen i pull up and kindof push of and go forward all that hapens is the front weel goes bak and my feet that are are in the air because the bike should be just come bak dow and miss and painfull things happen

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    Check out my video as well as flowmaster's. Mine is a few posts down, you should be able to easily locate it.

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    Good guide but i just bought some clip-in pedals for my all mountain bike, can i still bunny-hop with clip-ins and should i have my suspension full for front and back or stiff?

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    I have a full suspension bike, Haro X6 weighs aroung 34 lbs, is this good for bunny hopping?

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    thanks for the detailed instructions. i can't tell you what difference a good visual makes.

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