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    Any news/hints/rumours about a Prime / Phantom V3 model?

    I am on the 6th season on the first Phantom model (longest time I ever had the same bike) and still like it a lot - but the new bike fever is getting stronger every month. :-)

    After the new Paradox is there a chance that new Phantom and Prime models are in the pipeline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushy41 View Post
    Any news/hints/rumours about a Prime / Phantom V3 model?

    I am on the 6th season on the first Phantom model (longest time I ever had the same bike) and still like it a lot - but the new bike fever is getting stronger every month. :-)

    After the new Paradox is there a chance that new Phantom and Prime models are in the pipeline?
    I think the pipeline is at least one more year long!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushy41 View Post
    Any news/hints/rumours about a Prime / Phantom V3 model?

    I am on the 6th season on the first Phantom model (longest time I ever had the same bike) and still like it a lot - but the new bike fever is getting stronger every month. :-)

    After the new Paradox is there a chance that new Phantom and Prime models are in the pipeline?
    Fresh news

    https://m.pinkbike.com/news/banshee-...re-frames.html

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    Banshee has been busy. The new line-up looks very nice.

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    Holy sh.Ö was quite convinced to buy a RM Instinct in replacement of my 6 years old (yes also 6 years on the same bike) Spitfire. But thenÖ. V3 arrived. Almost all weakness, when not all, of the V2 version has been correctedÖ. Difficult time.

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    Amusingly enough the new prime geo is pretty close to what I fudged on my V2 prime by going up a size (6ft, 34" inseam on an XL), using an angle set and shoving my saddle forward.

    New bikes look very, very nice, shame my Prime is only 6 months old...............

    Any chance of a trade in policy Keith

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    That Phantom looks like it'll be the Smuggler killer for short travel enthusiasts. If I still lived in the Bay Area I'd absolutely be on a Phantom or Prime, though my Titan suits the PNW just fine

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    That spitfire is a dream bike. Takes the giant tires I like in a fairly aggressive geo, short travel package. If I bought a frame today...

    Anyone know what the long dropout chainstay length is? I'm not seeing the dropout change impact on the Geo chart.

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    Just raw and black anodized on Prime and Phantom....they do deserve a paint job too!!!
    ...maybe next future????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenngineer View Post
    That spitfire is a dream bike. Takes the giant tires I like in a fairly aggressive geo, short travel package. If I bought a frame today...

    Anyone know what the long dropout chainstay length is? I'm not seeing the dropout change impact on the Geo chart.
    The long dropouts are shown with the 27.5Ē chainstay length (437/435mm). The compact dropouts are shown with the 26Ē chainstays.
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    i wonder what would happen if i accidently put a 185x55 shock on one of those new phantoms...?

    Keith must have been expecting this

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyape View Post
    i wonder what would happen if i accidently put a 185x55 shock on one of those new phantoms...?

    Keith must have been expecting this
    If you are thinking about doing that, what you really should be thinking about getting a prime... in theory it would give you similar travel.

    The phantom is not compatible with any shock other than 185x50mm.
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    I love the green! A medium Spitfire is pictured.

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    Yeah that green is hawt!!

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    I just ordered me a large V3 Phantom frameset, to go with my V2 Prime. I'm pretty excited about getting a shorter travel ripper built up. If any of you Northern California folks happen to be in and around Sonoma County and want to check it out let me know.

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    Post up pics of your Phantom when it gets built up. If I didn't build my Following a few months back...I'd be all over the Phantom in raw.

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    Anybody else disappointed by the lack of size small 29ers? The new Prime looks like a sweet ride, but judging by the numbers, I think I'd be inclined to size down from a medium to a small. The new 650b bikes look sweet too, but I've been leaning towards a 29er next time I replace my full suspension bike. Hopefully I can find a way to demo a couple of these bikes in the coming months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlxah View Post
    Anybody else disappointed by the lack of size small 29ers? The new Prime looks like a sweet ride, but judging by the numbers, I think I'd be inclined to size down from a medium to a small. The new 650b bikes look sweet too, but I've been leaning towards a 29er next time I replace my full suspension bike. Hopefully I can find a way to demo a couple of these bikes in the coming months.
    There were a couple of factors here for why we don't make smalls.

    #1 if the medium titan is too big for you, then honestly you are best avoiding 29" rear wheel... I personally have seen several good riders have serious crashes on steep trails due to 29" wheel hitting them up the arse and sending them over the bars.

    #2 Balance... the weight distribution would be getting too forward bias using a small front triangle on the titan design.

    #3 Lack of demand meant we couldn't justify the cost of jigs or hit minimums.

    29" wheels are not for everyone, there is an element of thinking of wheel sizes along side frame sizes, and what will work best for you overall. A good example is Danny Hart... one of the best all round riders on the planet. He went 29" after pressure from sponsors (and probably a bit because he read the marketing) and he crashed out hard multiple times and became slower. Back to 27.5" rear wheel and he was back on podiums.

    An option that you might want to consider is a mullet setup on a rune...benefit from smaller rear wheel and shorter chainstay to match your height, but have a 29" wheel up front to roll through chunder more easily. (160mm fork max for this setup)
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    Just out of interest: Has someone a picture of a production Spitfire V3 in size large and can post it? Large frame or complete bike please.
    All I see for now is medium size, while all other models are size large ...
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    There were a couple of factors here for why we don't make smalls.

    #1 if the medium titan is too big for you, then honestly you are best avoiding 29" rear wheel... I personally have seen several good riders have serious crashes on steep trails due to 29" wheel hitting them up the arse and sending them over the bars.

    #2 Balance... the weight distribution would be getting too forward bias using a small front triangle on the titan design.

    #3 Lack of demand meant we couldn't justify the cost of jigs or hit minimums.

    29" wheels are not for everyone, there is an element of thinking of wheel sizes along side frame sizes, and what will work best for you overall. A good example is Danny Hart... one of the best all round riders on the planet. He went 29" after pressure from sponsors (and probably a bit because he read the marketing) and he crashed out hard multiple times and became slower. Back to 27.5" rear wheel and he was back on podiums.

    An option that you might want to consider is a mullet setup on a rune...benefit from smaller rear wheel and shorter chainstay to match your height, but have a 29" wheel up front to roll through chunder more easily. (160mm fork max for this setup)
    Appreciate the reply, Keith (I presume?)!

    I've gone back and forth on 650b vs 29 vs mullet quite a bit. You might be right about the 29" rear wheel being too big for me, although I'm 172cm which is within the range of the medium 29ers on your size chart.

    My hardtail is a 29er and I have demoed several full suspension 29ers now (Switchblade, Firebird, SB150). Initially I did have more issues hitting my butt on the rear tire, but I've found that if I'm diligent about staying centered on the bike and not riding too far off the back, then it's largely not a problem. I finally worked up the courage to ride the SB150 down couple of the steepest trails I've ridden out in Simi Valley and loved the rollover and confidence the big wheels gave me. I find the 29" front wheel makes it easier for me to trust the bike and stay in an aggressive, centered riding position when things get real steep and chunky. But you're right, though; I think I'm right at the cusp of being able to comfortably fit a mid to long travel full suspension 29er (then again, look at Isabeau Courdurier!), so there probably is some added risk of hitting my ass and going OTB hard.

    Mullet bikes seem like they might be the best compromise, but unfortunately there aren't many options for those without significant geometry compromises. I believe a Rune V3 mullet would have a sub-64 deg head angle and a ~6mm higher BB even with a 150mm fork. I think I'd rather just run 650b in the front as intended on that bike. It seems to me like the 29ers would actually make better mullet bikes if you just run them in the higher BB setting and maybe use a +0.5 or +1 angleset to retain the head angle and raise the BB back up a touch more, but then I run into sizing issues.

    That being said, I'm still strongly considering a size medium Rune. I love what you've done with the latest generation of these bikes!

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    What style brake mounts do the V3's have? I might be blind but I didn't see it mentioned on the Banshee website

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    Same dropouts as V2....so same I.S. mount

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlxah View Post
    Appreciate the reply, Keith (I presume?)!

    I've gone back and forth on 650b vs 29 vs mullet quite a bit. You might be right about the 29" rear wheel being too big for me, although I'm 172cm which is within the range of the medium 29ers on your size chart.

    My hardtail is a 29er and I have demoed several full suspension 29ers now (Switchblade, Firebird, SB150). Initially I did have more issues hitting my butt on the rear tire, but I've found that if I'm diligent about staying centered on the bike and not riding too far off the back, then it's largely not a problem. I finally worked up the courage to ride the SB150 down couple of the steepest trails I've ridden out in Simi Valley and loved the rollover and confidence the big wheels gave me. I find the 29" front wheel makes it easier for me to trust the bike and stay in an aggressive, centered riding position when things get real steep and chunky. But you're right, though; I think I'm right at the cusp of being able to comfortably fit a mid to long travel full suspension 29er (then again, look at Isabeau Courdurier!), so there probably is some added risk of hitting my ass and going OTB hard.

    Mullet bikes seem like they might be the best compromise, but unfortunately there aren't many options for those without significant geometry compromises. I believe a Rune V3 mullet would have a sub-64 deg head angle and a ~6mm higher BB even with a 150mm fork. I think I'd rather just run 650b in the front as intended on that bike. It seems to me like the 29ers would actually make better mullet bikes if you just run them in the higher BB setting and maybe use a +0.5 or +1 angleset to retain the head angle and raise the BB back up a touch more, but then I run into sizing issues.

    That being said, I'm still strongly considering a size medium Rune. I love what you've done with the latest generation of these bikes!
    I'm now confused why you are not considering a medium titan if you are looking at medium rune... in terms of fit the titan would be similar with just a bit more stack height really, which would actually help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'm now confused why you are not considering a medium titan if you are looking at medium rune... in terms of fit the titan would be similar with just a bit more stack height really, which would actually help.
    I'm right on the border between small and medium with your sizing, so I think I'd choose to downsize on the bigger bike or upsize on the smaller bike.

    Why would my bar height change on the 29er? I assume my preferred bar height would be about the same on both bikes assuming I can get it low enough on the 29er.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you raise your bars on the Rune to match the stack height of the Titan, the reach on the Rune will shrink by ~15mm due to the angle of the head tube ((635-604)/tan(64.5) = 14.8). The chainstays on the Titan are also 15-17mm longer. That means that when I go to lift the front end for a bunny hop or lean back to roll off a slow speed drop, the Titan is going to feel 30mm longer than the Rune. That seems like a pretty significant difference to me especially when combined with the increased BB drop and heavier front wheel of the 29er.

    Maybe I'm overthinking this. Having demoed an SB150, though, I know that bike did feel a little longer than I would prefer, and the Titan is even longer.

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    Yes, this is true if you plan to raise the bars on your rune significantly.

    Regarding chainstay length and BB drop, yes of course they have an effect on how easy the bike is to pull up, but weird thing is that it doesn't seem as apparent when on the trail (at least to me). I expected to really notice it when switching from my spitfire, but didn't really. I felt the lean required for cornering was far more noticeable,and that's mainly down to 29" wheels. Ultimately I got used to it very quickly and felt right at home despite this being first 29er I have personally owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Yes, this is true if you plan to raise the bars on your rune significantly.

    Regarding chainstay length and BB drop, yes of course they have an effect on how easy the bike is to pull up, but weird thing is that it doesn't seem as apparent when on the trail (at least to me). I expected to really notice it when switching from my spitfire, but didn't really. I felt the lean required for cornering was far more noticeable,and that's mainly down to 29" wheels. Ultimately I got used to it very quickly and felt right at home despite this being first 29er I have personally owned.
    Yeah, I definitely noticed that lean difference and got used to it pretty quickly like you. Now I think I might actually prefer the feel of the bigger wheels in that regard.

    But I do find that I'm pretty sensitive to long wheelbases and the affect that has on my ability to lift the front end. That's probably at least partially due to what I'm used to, since my primary bike for the past 3 years is super playful. But I'm also a relatively short and light guy (172cm, 62kg), which I suspect makes it more difficult for me to get enough weight behind the rear axle. I've evolved a lot as a rider since I bought my current bike and want to get on something more stable, but I worry that a medium Titan or Prime is a little too big of a jump for me right now. Maybe it's something I would eventually adjust to, who knows.

    In any case, I understand why you guys aren't making size small 29ers and don't blame you guys at all. I'm just picky when it comes to bikes. And quite a few other things for that matter, but we don't need to get into my personal issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Post up pics of your Phantom when it gets built up. If I didn't build my Following a few months back...I'd be all over the Phantom in raw.
    I certainly will I'm just waiting on My hubs to arrive...purple Kings ought to look pretty with the black anno frame.

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    Just got my V3 in raw. Fit and finish is much more refined than my painted V1. Little improvements like the bearing hardware hiding the outer bearing races, the black hardware for the dropouts and the metal headbadge make for a classier frame.

    I love the black ano and raw options, since they're durable and fit with the banshee vibe.

    @Bansheebikes, would y'all ever consider colored ano frames? All that 90's stuff has to come full circle, right? Maybe we're not there yet.

    Other color ideas you can steal:
    The OG mint (sooo pretty)
    Neon pink w/yellow decals
    Indigo, mustard and gunmetal (Stolen from Rocky bikes)
    Any sparkly bass-boat color
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post

    @Bansheebikes, would y'all ever consider colored ano frames? All that 90's stuff has to come full circle, right? Maybe we're not there yet.
    Really happy to hear you are loving the new frame... just wait til you ride it!!

    The only real downside of using superior 7005 T6 alloy (other than it being more expensive, and harder to work) is that is cannot be anodized in any colours other than black and really dark greys and browns without going streaky due to the different grain structure. It's still worth using the better alloy tho, as it makes stronger frames with better ride quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Just out of interest: Has someone a picture of a production Spitfire V3 in size large and can post it? Large frame or complete bike please.
    All I see for now is medium size, while all other models are size large ...
    Thank you.
    https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/b...34/setup,40207

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    Ah cool, thank you!
    Hardly torn between a new Phantom, which means complete switch to 29er - or new Spitfire, where I can transfer most of the existing parts.
    Anyway, the new V3 Banshees are a great evolution!

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    Man the decision between which frame to get is eating at me. I've been on 29ers exclusively for the past 4 years. Being a Stravasshole and only thinking about PRs and KOMs. I feel like the soul has left my riding so I'm now considering going back to 27.5s. The Spitfire is #1 on my list right now. I feel like a shorter travel rig with modern geo will fit my trail riding with the occasional trip to Pisgah very well. I'm 5'8" so I am tall enough for the 29er and I have a spare 29" wheelset if I choose to build a 29er but the nimble flickable, fast out of corners and sprints of the 27.5 is calling me.

    So it's Spitfire, Phantom, Prime on the list right now. Will I feel like 27.5s are holding me back? I went to 29s because I felt they were faster but what am I missing out on? Has anyone gone from a 29 to a Spitfire? What did you think?

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    Well I finally got my Phantom built up...now I just need to find some time to actually ride it!

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    How hard is it to clean V3 frame? The bottom bracket shell looks to have a lot tight
    spaces for dust and muck to accumulate.

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    Which is the V3 Best fit for a mullet bike for the different model ?


    Titan compact dropouts, high setting , 160 fork ?
    Rune long dropouts, low setting , 160 fork ?
    Spitfire long dropouts, low setting , 140 fork ?

    Are these right ?

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    I wouldn't say that there was a right or wrong necessarily to dropout setting, that will depend on personal preferences. But what you have listed is how I personally would run them in mullet mode. And yes, the fork travels for each model are what I would recommend, don't go longer travel than what you stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I wouldn't say that there was a right or wrong necessarily to dropout setting, that will depend on personal preferences. But what you have listed is how I personally would run them in mullet mode. And yes, the fork travels for each model are what I would recommend, don't go longer travel than what you stated.
    Perfect , thanks a lot !

    What about fork offset ?

    Which is your pov : Short ( 44 ) or long ( 51) ?

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    For mullet setups I would recommend shorter offsets, as it results in a slacker head angle generally.
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    For those rune and spitfire mullet setups. How much would it slacken the head angles? 1-1.5 degrees? Thanks in advance.

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    Going from a 27.5 wheel with 170mm fork on rune V3 (as per geo chart) to a 29" wheel with 160mm fork you are increasing axle to crown height by abound 10mm roughly (varies between manufacturers), and wheel radius by 15-20mm depending on tire. So you'd be looking at around 1.5 degrees slacker depending on frame size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    For mullet setups I would recommend shorter offsets, as it results in a slacker head angle generally.
    Interested to understand why having bigger wheel and slacker head angle, that leading to have a bigger trail, a shorter offset fit better.

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    I wouldn't say one was always better than the other, that comes down to personal preference and what suits their ability, speed, riding style and terrain. But rough rule of thumb is that longer slacker bikes work slightly better with short offset forks for most people.

    Lots of good articles out there about it.

    What not many of them mention is that it also has a small effect on balance of bike, shorter offset = easier to weight front wheel, and also shorter offset forks work better with shorter stems I find.
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    @builttoride: Hey Keith, so have you moved from the Spitfire to the Titan for your do-everything rig? Curious to hear your thoughts on this and how the switch to 29er has been for you as many of us seem to be stuck in choosing which V3 option to go with.

    Iím on a V2 spitfire built burly and have been since 2015. Before that it was the Chaparral. The Spitty is so solid I donít have much reason the get a new bike! But then again, an entirely new line of Banshee bikes tempts even the firmest resolve to avoid blatant consumerism. I ride in the PNW and BC mostly with a once-a-year extended bikepacking/backcountry trip in there (ie Colorado Trail, Chilcotins, Oregon Timber Trail). The Spitfire has been perfect and so damn versatile!

    Thanks in advance,

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    @builttoride: Hey Keith, so have you moved from the Spitfire to the Titan for your do-everything rig? Curious to hear your thoughts on this and how the switch to 29er has been for you as many of us seem to be stuck in choosing which V3 option to go with.

    Iím on a V2 spitfire built burly and have been since 2015. Before that it was the Chaparral. The Spitty is so solid I donít have much reason the get a new bike! But then again, an entirely new line of Banshee bikes tempts even the firmest resolve to avoid blatant consumerism. I ride in the PNW and BC mostly with a once-a-year extended bikepacking/backcountry trip in there (ie Colorado Trail, Chilcotins, Oregon Timber Trail). The Spitfire has been perfect and so damn versatile!

    Thanks in advance,

    Brian
    I am lucky enough to have both a spitfire V3 and Titan (both final stage protos). I ride them both, just depends on where I'm riding and what mood I'm in. Love them both for different reasons.

    I did mainly ride the spitfire for years, was my do everything bike for riding here in Scotland. Switching to the titan was interesting, it's honestly a bit too much bike for most the stuff I ride...but it's fun to charge through stuff and it's stupidly fast on open trails... plus climbs really well over tech . All things that 29ers are known for, and the titan really maximises.

    The spitfire will always be more playful on slower tight stuff tho, and so more fun when not chasing the clock. I still climbs amazingly (significantly better than V2) and feels more bottomless and stable at speed, while still having great ability to pop around the trail picking fun lines.

    for me the thing that took lomgest switching from 27.5 to 29 was the body positioning to lean into corners, just needs to be a bit exaggerated compared to 27.5 and has a slightly different feel. took a few rides to work it out, and weirdly I think it's made me better at cornering on the spitfire too!
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    How well does the V3 Rune climb compared to the V2 Spitfire?
    I'm looking to upgrade to a little more travel from my Spitfire, which feels great with a coil sprung shock, but I might be a bit hard on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiJohn View Post
    How well does the V3 Rune climb compared to the V2 Spitfire?
    I'm looking to upgrade to a little more travel from my Spitfire, which feels great with a coil sprung shock, but I might be a bit hard on it.
    I'd say it climbs at least as well (although of course this depends on setup)
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    Welp just pulled the trigger on a Rune V3 frameset. Ethan with Dirt Merchant was helpful and easy to work with. Keith and others here, thank you for your input. In the end my decision was made after some back and forths with Michael B with Banshee sales who helped clarify some of the differences between the new Rune and Spitfire. We'll see if my local trails end up feeling boring on the bigger bike. I kinda doubt it

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    Welp just pulled the trigger on a Rune V3 frameset. Ethan with Dirt Merchant was helpful and easy to work with. Keith and others here, thank you for your input. In the end my decision was made after some back and forths with Michael B with Banshee sales who helped clarify some of the differences between the new Rune and Spitfire. We'll see if my local trails end up feeling boring on the bigger bike. I kinda doubt it
    Nice one.
    Can you share these differences as I'm also stuck on deciding between the 2.
    Will have been on a V2 Spitfire for 6 years come May.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssPav View Post
    Nice one.
    Can you share these differences as I'm also stuck on deciding between the 2.
    Will have been on a V2 Spitfire for 6 years come May.

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    So you and I are in the same boat then, I've been on a Spitfire (early V2) for the last 6 years as well. Here's a sampling of the random ideas that went through my head with this decision.

    I love my Spitfire as it has been capable of such a wide variety of riding. I have it built up with an X2 on the rear and 36 on the front with old Stans Flow EX wheelset, so built fairly strong. My local trails (southern Oregon) involve long fire road climbs of 2000-5000 feet followed by fast, generally smooth singletrack all the way back down. I like to go as fast as I can on the downs and generally sit and spin on the way up. I do longer bike-packing style trips once a year (some trips this bike has done include 7 days in the Chilcotins, the Durango to Moab hut trip, planning on Timber trail this summer) and I have started what I hope will be an annual trip to BC because what I really love is steep, technical or fall-line type trails like you find in Nelson, Pemberton, Squamish and Whistler (to name a few, I know there is so much more up there). And I love Whistler bike park but go rarely and have always rented a DH bike when there. So pretty varied riding I guess.

    Michael B with Banshee sales explained to me that Banshee wanted to create more of a differential between the V3 Spitfire and Rune. So the new Spitfire is 135mm (vs our V2 140mm rear travel) and has a more refined/lighter tubeset than the beefier Rune frame. And the geometry differences reflect this intention as well.

    This is still going to be my do-everything bike for the most part though I might need to break out the hardtail for bike-packing. I could make the argument for either bike based on my preferred riding. Spitfire probably still makes more practical sense but I'm banking on the Rune being a really fun, aggressive bike that will allow me to push some limits. Specifically one of the areas I'd like to improve is clearing the many medium-sized gaps to brake-chattered berms on our local trail system. This is kind of scary to try on the Spitfire for me. I also like to go fast and sometimes feel the Spitfire getting a little twitchy at higher speeds.

    I trust Keith when he compares the climbing capability of the V3 Rune to that of our V2 Spitfire, so not super worried about climbing. I think the only concern I have at this point is whether the geometry will be so slack that my local trails will feel too easy or not as fun as when I'm railing the Spitfire at the edge of comfort.

    Also, this might be silly but I really wanted the tune-ability and stuck-to-the-ground sensation of the X2 shock and Fox doesn't make one to fit the V3 Spitfire. I think that minor detail kind of cemented in my brain that the bike I'm looking for has a little burlier intentions than the Spitfire. I feel like I will be able to have as much fun on the Rune as I do on my Spitfire for 90% of my riding and I'll have a bike that will probably feel pretty damn good at places like Whistler bike park as well. Kind of the BC/XC idea that the Rune was founded on. Every time I go to BC I see super fit people spinning big bikes up huge climbs then shredding so hard on the way down.

    That said, I think the countless people on these forums telling you you can't go wrong with either choice are probably right.

    Hope that helps some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    I trust Keith when he compares the climbing capability of the V3 Rune to that of our V2 Spitfire

    Hope that helps some.
    That's pretty much what I needed to hear.

    Our Spitties are quite similar.
    I run the CCDBAirCC, Lyrik RCT3 and the same rims with inserts.
    Quite solid for its weight/price.
    Ever since I got the fork with the Debonair spring a year ago I've picked up a bit more trail speed.
    I've noticed the rear end is getting a little outclassed as I hit things harder.

    I want my next bike to let me push my limit further and I think the Spitfire would hold me back again on descents when things get really rowdy.
    Knowing that climbing won't be too compromised is good to hear.
    We have a small chairlift accessed bike park here in NZ but it's still recovering from a fire that took out most of its trails a few years ago so I haven't bought a pass.
    Rune will be better in the new trails they have there than the Spitty and my Glory.


    Thanks for your help morox.
    Still be a few months before I get enough coin though.
    Do I transfer everything over to a new frame or buy a complete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    How hard is it to clean V3 frame? The bottom bracket shell looks to have a lot tight
    spaces for dust and muck to accumulate.
    Easy to clean in my experience and doesn't gather dirt. The machining around the shock cradle was done to allow for plenty of space for water and dirt to clear out - it's hard to tell in side profile pictures.

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    Do I transfer everything over to a new frame or buy a complete?

    Thatís the question eh? Iím using the fact that I havenít purchased a new bike in 6 years to justify a custom build. It has been surprisingly easy to get over my general anti-consumerist ideals as I dream about the new bike.

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    Anyone have any time on the Phantom yet? I'm curious about this bike. Looks like it would fit my riding well. Geo looks pretty close to the new Ripley, which I've tested and liked a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    Do I transfer everything over to a new frame or buy a complete?

    Thatís the question eh? Iím using the fact that I havenít purchased a new bike in 6 years to justify a custom build. It has been surprisingly easy to get over my general anti-consumerist ideals as I dream about the new bike.
    Yeah that's my thinking too.
    My Lyrik is the standard offset so best to get the reduced offset fork in a complete build.
    Need a new drivetrain anyways and can hand my current wheels to the hardtail too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARAZ View Post
    Anyone have any time on the Phantom yet? I'm curious about this bike. Looks like it would fit my riding well. Geo looks pretty close to the new Ripley, which I've tested and liked a lot.
    I have managed to get enough time on mine to form a few initial opinions. The thing I think I noticed intially was how quiet and composed the bike feels even in steep rough stuff. Also the revised suspension feels excellent and having the weight carried centered down low on the frame definitely gives it a confident planted feel. It climbs well and seems to be able to comfortably tackle even rough choppy climbs without a problem (the limitation is the motor..not the bike). The bottom bracket is relatively low so pedal strikes are a consideration but not a huge concern. Fit and finish are very nice and definitely a step forward from the V2 series.

    For the record I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam and I'm very comfortable on the large frame. It is definitely not a light frame mine came in at 8.3lbs for a large BLK anno frame with headset cups, shock (Fox Float DPX2), 148x12 short dropouts and axle installed.

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    Thanks EvilBkr for the response. At over 200 lbs, I'm not super concerned with a couple of extra pounds on the frame (though a light bike is always nice!) Does the Phantom feel pretty maneuverable in tight stuff? Chain stays look a bit on the longer side, and it's longer/slacker than what I'm used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    Easy to clean in my experience and doesn't gather dirt. The machining around the shock cradle was done to allow for plenty of space for water and dirt to clear out - it's hard to tell in side profile pictures.
    Thanks for the reply, after relooking at some picture the V3 does seem easier to clean than V2 frames.

    Another question, does the V3 frames have guided tubes for the internal cable routing? What keep the cables from rattling?

    As you can tell, I like clean quiet bikes. Just want to know before I pull the trigger on Spitfire V3.

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    Not sure any aluminum frames have internal guides. Banshee does not. Thereís a big zip tie loop to capture and secure all three cables just forward of the BB. Itís a little bit fiddly, but definitely quiet once cinched down.
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    any v3 Prime out there ?? .....pics, reports ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    any v3 Prime out there ?? .....pics, reports ???

    I just ordered a Raw Prime frame today..... Iíll post pics and some initial impressions as soon as I build it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    any v3 Prime out there ?? .....pics, reports ???
    It's dope. Rides like a Banshee. The new shape is sexy. People will stop and ask you about it.

    And you can run a water bottle in the right spot.

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    This thing rips!
    My Spitfire was as good as my old Sb66, but the Rune V3 is next level better.
    & it climbs surprisingly well for a hefty build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARAZ View Post
    Thanks EvilBkr for the response. At over 200 lbs, I'm not super concerned with a couple of extra pounds on the frame (though a light bike is always nice!) Does the Phantom feel pretty maneuverable in tight stuff? Chain stays look a bit on the longer side, and it's longer/slacker than what I'm used to.
    The chainstay length doesn't bother me much even in tighter situations including a few tight technical switchbacks at my local spot, I just kind of let the rear end follow the front through if that makes any sense. The chainstay length really gives the bike a balanced, stable feel at speed through bigger rock gardens and boulder fields.

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