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    I'm 185cm tall and on a Large, and I compensated for the slightly shorter reach relative to my Sentinel (470 vs. 485mm) with a slightly longer stem and have no issues. I'm running a 50mm stem and find no compromise relative to the 40mm on my Sentinel.

    Important factor to think about isn't just reach, but the longer chainstay. The wheelbase on this bike is quite long, and the large is already longer than my Sentinel was. I honestly wouldn't want anything much longer for where I live (PNW), and the fit is quite comfortable.

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    Thanks. I was most concerned about a tight seated cockpit for climbing. Sounds like a longer stem and maybe bumping the seat back will solve for it.
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    Very similar here... 6foot 1 with a 33inseem and long arms. I followed the banshee advice and went large and couldnít be happier. 50mm stem doesnít feel like a compromise. My last bike was a latge mondraker, 500mm reach and although Iíve always liked long bikes i couldnít be happier with the sizing on the titan.

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    Thanks. The box is in my living room. Unfortunately, Iím at work for a few more hours.
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    Q regarding cable routing. I ran brake and shifter as outlined by Keith earlier in the thread. Itís a tight fit, but straightforward. The dropper routing is pretty fiddly. Are folks following the example and routing the dropper housing under the lower shock eyelet and then back up the down tube?

    Creates a tight bend in the housing and itís tough to push back through once the post (Fox Transfer) if attached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Q regarding cable routing. I ran brake and shifter as outlined by Keith earlier in the thread. Itís a tight fit, but straightforward. The dropper routing is pretty fiddly. Are folks following the example and routing the dropper housing under the lower shock eyelet and then back up the down tube?

    Creates a tight bend in the housing and itís tough to push back through once the post (Fox Transfer) if attached.
    That's the method I used and it has worked fine. It's fiddly, but you shouldn't be uninstalling your dropper on any sort of frequent basis, so not a huge deal IMO.

    Easiest approach for me was to uninstall the shock - gives a lot more room for cable install, and simply pushing the shock back into place will help with the dropper cable and prevent any cable binding during install.

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    ^^ Same here. All of the cables/lines run under the shock eyelet and over the BB, except for the dropper cable which goes straight up into the seat tube. I am using a one-up dropper which made for some interesting adjustments but once it's all in there, it's good to go and works great.
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    Well ... goodness.

    Shakedown run this morning at South Mountain in Phoenix. SoMo on a Saturday in the winter is a sh!tshow with hikers, trail runners and visiting riders who aren't familiar with the level of gnar we have here. That said, there's no better place to fully test all aspects of a bike's performance.

    For anyone familiar, my route was up Beverly Canyon, up Mormon Loop, up National to Buena Vista, then the big bomb back down National. It's not quite 11 miles and just less than 1500 vertical feet of climbing.

    First, sizing. I'm 6'2 (188), 34 inseam, +2 ape index. With a pack and gear, I'm about 190 pounds. I'm pleased that I listened to input and went with L, though I'm going to need to move from the 40mm stem to 50. Otherwise, very pleased with the size of the bike.

    This is a performance-to-price build with absolutely zero carbon. Lyrik at 160, Eagle GX, Fox 175 dropper, Spank 350s laced to I9 1-1, Trail King front, SE4 rear with Cushcore. I don't weigh bikes as a personal rule; I really wouldn't want to weigh this thing, I'd probably be scared to death.

    Most recent bikes: Ripmo and a new-gen Stumpy as a backup bike. Both sold. I LOVE bikes and can find something to like about just about anything. But I don't generally have a personal connection to these rigs; they're equipment to me. That said, I'm doing my best not to violate another personal rule: Not to gush about bikes after the first ride.

    So, I'm not going to do that.

    But, gosh ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Well ... goodness.

    Shakedown run this morning at South Mountain in Phoenix. SoMo on a Saturday in the winter is a sh!tshow with hikers, trail runners and visiting riders who aren't familiar with the level of gnar we have here. That said, there's no better place to fully test all aspects of a bike's performance.

    For anyone familiar, my route was up Beverly Canyon, up Mormon Loop, up National to Buena Vista, then the big bomb back down National. It's not quite 11 miles and just less than 1500 vertical feet of climbing.

    First, sizing. I'm 6'2 (188), 34 inseam, +2 ape index. With a pack and gear, I'm about 190 pounds. I'm pleased that I listened to input and went with L, though I'm going to need to move from the 40mm stem to 50. Otherwise, very pleased with the size of the bike.

    This is a performance-to-price build with absolutely zero carbon. Lyrik at 160, Eagle GX, Fox 175 dropper, Spank 350s laced to I9 1-1, Trail King front, SE4 rear with Cushcore. I don't weigh bikes as a personal rule; I really wouldn't want to weigh this thing, I'd probably be scared to death.

    Most recent bikes: Ripmo and a new-gen Stumpy as a backup bike. Both sold. I LOVE bikes and can find something to like about just about anything. But I don't generally have a personal connection to these rigs; they're equipment to me. That said, I'm doing my best not to violate another personal rule: Not to gush about bikes after the first ride.

    So, I'm not going to do that.

    But, gosh ...
    Seems like how I was after my first - youíll keep gushing ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Well ... goodness.

    Shakedown run this morning at South Mountain in Phoenix. SoMo on a Saturday in the winter is a sh!tshow with hikers, trail runners and visiting riders who aren't familiar with the level of gnar we have here. That said, there's no better place to fully test all aspects of a bike's performance.

    For anyone familiar, my route was up Beverly Canyon, up Mormon Loop, up National to Buena Vista, then the big bomb back down National. It's not quite 11 miles and just less than 1500 vertical feet of climbing.

    First, sizing. I'm 6'2 (188), 34 inseam, +2 ape index. With a pack and gear, I'm about 190 pounds. I'm pleased that I listened to input and went with L, though I'm going to need to move from the 40mm stem to 50. Otherwise, very pleased with the size of the bike.

    This is a performance-to-price build with absolutely zero carbon. Lyrik at 160, Eagle GX, Fox 175 dropper, Spank 350s laced to I9 1-1, Trail King front, SE4 rear with Cushcore. I don't weigh bikes as a personal rule; I really wouldn't want to weigh this thing, I'd probably be scared to death.

    Most recent bikes: Ripmo and a new-gen Stumpy as a backup bike. Both sold. I LOVE bikes and can find something to like about just about anything. But I don't generally have a personal connection to these rigs; they're equipment to me. That said, I'm doing my best not to violate another personal rule: Not to gush about bikes after the first ride.

    So, I'm not going to do that.

    But, gosh ...
    Awesome to hear this. Especially after you've had similar feelings with the Hightower. Look forward to hearing further ride reports. I get my frame in a week or two!

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    Up until last week I was going to order an XL . After the last few posts and everything all sitting at the same hight as me I'm thinking a large and a 50mm stem. I thought the xl and 30mm would be ideal but the wheel base is a concern being my first 29er. Lots of the climbing is tight and steep in whistler and I don't need make life harder. Summer can't come quick enough!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazza_wil View Post
    Up until last week I was going to order an XL . After the last few posts and everything all sitting at the same hight as me I'm thinking a large and a 50mm stem. I thought the xl and 30mm would be ideal but the wheel base is a concern being my first 29er. Lots of the climbing is tight and steep in whistler and I don't need make life harder. Summer can't come quick enough!
    Yeah I'm 185 and was thinking the XL with a small stem but what put me off was the seat tube length along with all the recommendations on here too (especially from Banshee themselves lol). Gone with a large and initially I'm trying a 40mm stem because that's what I have.

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    Second ride today. A bike with this much travel has no right to pedal this well. And the other direction? Brutal. Still not going to gush, but I'm probably not going to make my self-imposed 100 miles prior to offering opinions.

    I'll just leave this here ...

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    Looks great and sounds very positive so far. That says quite a bit coming from the long list of bikes that you've owned. The real review will come from how long you keep the frame for.
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    Anyone have any feedback if putting on a coil shock is worth the $$

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    Not tried an air shock on it, but my ohlins coil front and rear is perfect!

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    Was thinking briefly about coil, as I often do. But the reality for me is the rear end is outgunning the Lyrik at this point. My suspension money will be spent bringing the fork inline with the rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Was thinking briefly about coil, as I often do. But the reality for me is the rear end is outgunning the Lyrik at this point. My suspension money will be spent bringing the fork inline with the rear.
    Same. I'm thinking an Avy cart for my Fox 36 is in order.

    How's the fit?


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    Good grief. Ride #3, South Mountain, Phoenix. 70 degrees, cloudy, waited until the afternoon so had pretty clean trails. Up National Trail to the Buena Vista saddle, then back down. Similar to my first ride, except I climbed the steepest, sketchiest portion of National rather than the easier way up Mormon Loop.

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    Above photos are the infamous Waterfall obstacle on National.

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    Buena Vista Saddle, National

    Set my historical third fastest time ever up National; on a big, heavy aluminum bike with a ton of travel.

    Then proceeded to destroy it going down, including one PR section bumping me up to the top 3.5 percent in a segment with close to 6,000 runs. I don't want to say how old I am, but I've got kids older than most MTBR users ;-)

    This bike is frickin' rad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Good grief. Ride #3, South Mountain, Phoenix. 70 degrees, cloudy, waited until the afternoon so had pretty clean trails. Up National Trail to the Buena Vista saddle, then back down. Similar to my first ride, except I climbed the steepest, sketchiest portion of National rather than the easier way up Mormon Loop.

    IMG_0703 by dbozman1173, on Flickr

    IMG_0704 by dbozman1173, on Flickr

    Above photos are the infamous Waterfall obstacle on National.

    IMG_0705 by dbozman1173, on Flickr
    Buena Vista Saddle, National

    Set my historical third fastest time ever up National; on a big, heavy aluminum bike with a ton of travel.

    Then proceeded to destroy it going down, including one PR section bumping me up to the top 3.5 percent in a segment with close to 6,000 runs. I don't want to say how old I am, but I've got kids older than most MTBR users ;-)

    This bike is frickin' rad.
    Seems you have a tight fit for your rear tire....what size is it?

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    Not a ton of tire clearance on this frame, particularly height moreso than width. I'm running a Bontrager SE4 29x2.4 on a 30mm IW rim with Cushcore. I don't care for fat tires on go-fast bikes anyway, so not a concern for me personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Not a ton of tire clearance on this frame, particularly height moreso than width. I'm running a Bontrager SE4 29x2.4 on a 30mm IW rim with Cushcore. I don't care for fat tires on go-fast bikes anyway, so not a concern for me personally.
    You can always run the longer dropouts if needs be. Think of it as 2 settings, optimum geo and massive clearence. My michellin wild enduro 2.4 just fits with no rubbing, but thats a tall tyre and a genuine 2.4. More room with maxxis etc..

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    My 27.5 x 2.8 rear tire has gobs of clearance!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Good grief. Ride #3, South Mountain, Phoenix. 70 degrees, cloudy, waited until the afternoon so had pretty clean trails. Up National Trail to the Buena Vista saddle, then back down. Similar to my first ride, except I climbed the steepest, sketchiest portion of National rather than the easier way up Mormon Loop.

    IMG_0703 by dbozman1173, on Flickr

    IMG_0704 by dbozman1173, on Flickr

    Above photos are the infamous Waterfall obstacle on National.

    IMG_0705 by dbozman1173, on Flickr
    Buena Vista Saddle, National

    Set my historical third fastest time ever up National; on a big, heavy aluminum bike with a ton of travel.

    Then proceeded to destroy it going down, including one PR section bumping me up to the top 3.5 percent in a segment with close to 6,000 runs. I don't want to say how old I am, but I've got kids older than most MTBR users ;-)

    This bike is frickin' rad.

    Man...there's something about Banshee's frames that just look timeless. The proportions just look 'right' to me and never look over designed.

    Since you've ridden a lot of bikes including Banshee's I can't wait to hear how the new V3 linkage compares to the V2.

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    Hey guys, Iím coming from a V2 spitfire which I love for its durability, versatility and fun factor on any trail from XC to DH. I was 100% set on a V3 spitfire until I started reading about the Titan. For anyone who cares to comment, do you think the Titan would be equally fun to ride on big days (for me means like 5k feet of climbing over 30 or so miles) as it is rallying steep, fast and tech trails. Ie would this be a reasonable do-it-all bike for trails like you might find in Pemberton, Whistler or Squamish? My main concern with the Titan would be that it might be less of an all-around fun-seeking bike and more geared toward all-out, straight-line DH speed. Possibly less fun for bermy, faster flow tracks? On the other hand, other than the bigger wheel size, increased travel, and longer wheelbase, the geometry looks pretty similar to the V3 spitty. My current spitfire is a medium 26er built solid with a 36 up front and a float X2 in the rear. I prioritize the downhill performance but typically climb a lot to get to the fun part. Keith was kind enough to give his input, sounds like he has felt ďoverbikedĒ at times with the Titan which is something Iíve never felt with the Spitfire. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Not a ton of tire clearance on this frame, particularly height moreso than width. I'm running a Bontrager SE4 29x2.4 on a 30mm IW rim with Cushcore. I don't care for fat tires on go-fast bikes anyway, so not a concern for me personally.
    I ride my v1 prime with short dropouts, and fit with tight clearance 29x2.6 nobby nik and 29x2.5 wt maxxis aggressor on 32mm iw rims...all that with a custom made fender that shaves a couple of millimetres. As told, little clearance, but no issues so far even in not so sticky mud.
    I hope that v3 Prime has at least same clearance with short dropouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    Hey guys, Iím coming from a V2 spitfire which I love for its durability, versatility and fun factor on any trail from XC to DH. I was 100% set on a V3 spitfire until I started reading about the Titan. For anyone who cares to comment, do you think the Titan would be equally fun to ride on big days (for me means like 5k feet of climbing over 30 or so miles) as it is rallying steep, fast and tech trails. Ie would this be a reasonable do-it-all bike for trails like you might find in Pemberton, Whistler or Squamish? My main concern with the Titan would be that it might be less of an all-around fun-seeking bike and more geared toward all-out, straight-line DH speed. Possibly less fun for bermy, faster flow tracks? On the other hand, other than the bigger wheel size, increased travel, and longer wheelbase, the geometry looks pretty similar to the V3 spitty. My current spitfire is a medium 26er built solid with a 36 up front and a float X2 in the rear. I prioritize the downhill performance but typically climb a lot to get to the fun part. Keith was kind enough to give his input, sounds like he has felt ďoverbikedĒ at times with the Titan which is something Iíve never felt with the Spitfire. Thank you in advance.
    The v3 Spitty should be quite a bit more aggressive and stable than a 26" v2 Spitty. If you feel "under biked" on the v2 Spitty, I think the v3 Spitty would fill a gap somewhere between it and the Titan.

    You can also look into the Prime v3 which fits into a more similar category as the Spitty...that really just comes down to your preference for 27.5" or 29" wheels. It might be worth demoing a few 29" bikes.
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    I don't have one on hand, but I've run the 2.5 Aggressor on other bikes. The SE4 you see on my rig is a bigger, higher-volume tire than the Maxxis tire.


    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    I ride my v1 prime with short dropouts, and fit with tight clearance 29x2.6 nobby nik and 29x2.5 wt maxxis aggressor on 32mm iw rims...all that with a custom made fender that shaves a couple of millimetres. As told, little clearance, but no issues so far even in not so sticky mud.
    I hope that v3 Prime has at least same clearance with short dropouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    I don't have one on hand, but I've run the 2.5 Aggressor on other bikes. The SE4 you see on my rig is a bigger, higher-volume tire than the Maxxis tire.
    Sound good...thanks

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    29 x 2.5 WT agressor on the back of my titan, with short drop outs and 30mm wide rim leaves barely enough room. I frequently hear rocks getting tangled in the seat stays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Second ride today. A bike with this much travel has no right to pedal this well. And the other direction? Brutal. Still not going to gush, but I'm probably not going to make my self-imposed 100 miles prior to offering opinions.

    I'll just leave this here ...

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    How does this bike stack up next to the Prime in your experience going up Natty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morox View Post
    Hey guys, Iím coming from a V2 spitfire which I love for its durability, versatility and fun factor on any trail from XC to DH. I was 100% set on a V3 spitfire until I started reading about the Titan. For anyone who cares to comment, do you think the Titan would be equally fun to ride on big days (for me means like 5k feet of climbing over 30 or so miles) as it is rallying steep, fast and tech trails. Ie would this be a reasonable do-it-all bike for trails like you might find in Pemberton, Whistler or Squamish? My main concern with the Titan would be that it might be less of an all-around fun-seeking bike and more geared toward all-out, straight-line DH speed. Possibly less fun for bermy, faster flow tracks? On the other hand, other than the bigger wheel size, increased travel, and longer wheelbase, the geometry looks pretty similar to the V3 spitty. My current spitfire is a medium 26er built solid with a 36 up front and a float X2 in the rear. I prioritize the downhill performance but typically climb a lot to get to the fun part. Keith was kind enough to give his input, sounds like he has felt ďoverbikedĒ at times with the Titan which is something Iíve never felt with the Spitfire. Thank you in advance.
    I had a v2 Spitfire a few years ago as my first 650b bike, have had a few bikes since but my experience on that bike is what brought me back to Banshee. The jump from a 26" V2 Spitfire to a Titan will be very jarring in many ways, and you'll definitely want to see if you can demo a modern bigger bike first before you commit. The Titan is much longer, slacker, taller, and has bigger wheels. Even a newer Spitfire will be a big adjustment with the slightly bigger wheels and significantly evolved geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiebruster View Post
    How does this bike stack up next to the Prime in your experience going up Natty?
    My Prime was the previous gen. While I liked the Prime, the Titan is better in every way thus far.
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    Banshee Titan LT 29er 2020-img_8567.jpgBanshee Titan LT 29er 2020-img_8568.jpgBanshee Titan LT 29er 2020-img_8569.jpg
    This is the clarance I have on my v1 prime with 2.5 wt aggressor. With 2.6 nobby nic is quite a bit less but I used it for 2 years with rare rock rubbing.
    Looking at pics of Titan, clearance seems a bit less, and I suppose v3 Prime will be the same as Titan
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    29 x 2.5 WT agressor on the back of my titan, with short drop outs and 30mm wide rim leaves barely enough room. I frequently hear rocks getting tangled in the seat stays.

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    What do you guys think of the red frames? Meh?

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    Colors are cyclical.

    The tinted raw is beautiful and timeless.

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    As is anodized black! The red is bright and shinny.

    It's slim pickings for Titan frames in the US right now. We a large/black and a XL/red available. That's it until the next shipment arrives in March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMerchantBicycles View Post
    As is anodized black! The red is bright and shinny.

    It's slim pickings for Titan frames in the US right now. We a large/black and a XL/red available. That's it until the next shipment arrives in March.
    do you know how many are in circulation in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMerchantBicycles View Post
    As is anodized black!
    Ano black is breath-taking. I love mine! Reminds me of my ano black Turner Sultan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Ano black is breath-taking. I love mine! Reminds me of my ano black Turner Sultan.
    Exact same finish of my Ano Black Turner Burner V3.1!
    IMO the Red linkages on the powder coated bikes are a bit overkill. They should offer them in the same black as the others . It would look better. JM2C.

    FWIW- If they offered it in Traffic Orange I would have gotten that color. I think the Rune orange is close to that unless I'm mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    IMO the Red linkages on the powder coated bikes are a bit overkill. They should offer them in the same black as the others . It would look better. JM2C.
    Totally agree!


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    ^ +2!!
    But is it actually powder coat on the painted frames?

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    https://www.mtb-news.de/news/banshee-titan-test/

    After reading this one of their negatives was how tight a 2.5w tire is in the rear. Any current owners recommend getting longer drop outs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazza_wil View Post
    https://www.mtb-news.de/news/banshee-titan-test/

    After reading this one of their negatives was how tight a 2.5w tire is in the rear. Any current owners recommend getting longer drop outs?
    I talked to them about this and it turns out that the tire was rubbing the insides of the stays under very hard cornering... the wheels on this bike were wheels they have been doing a separate long term review on and I can only assume that the spokes were getting pretty damn slack for the wheels to have this much lateral flex. It's not something we have ever encountered during testing with same tires.
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    I personally wouldn't want the additional wheelbase on an already long bike. But having an enormous rear tire is super-low on my importance list; mostly because, in my own experience, those tires only make you slower and you don't need extra tire damping on a suspension platform that works as well as this one does.
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    I switch between a 2.5WT and 2.35 tire depending on what we are riding for the day. Both sets of wheels are 30mm inside width. Sorry the pics are sideways, I canít figure out how to rotate them when posting from an iPad.

    2.35 Vittoria Martello clearance

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    2.50 WT aggressor clearance

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    The scratches in the chain stay are from the WT aggressor tire because thatís when I can here the rocks getting dragged through.

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    The aggressor is more prone to pick up rocks and carry them around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rock-rod View Post
    I switch between a 2.5WT and 2.35 tire depending on what we are riding for the day. Both sets of wheels are 30mm inside width. Sorry the pics are sideways, I canít figure out how to rotate them when posting from an iPad.

    2.35 clearance

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    The scratches in the chain stay are from the WT aggressor tire because thatís when I can here the rocks getting dragged through.

    Banshee Titan LT 29er 2020-0616c3d5-5580-4de8-b919-0f25921df2b2.jpeg
    Looks like the same pic posted twice, not two different size tires...imho.


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    Blatant, you mentioned earlier that you had some time on a Megatower. How would you compare the MT to the Titan? Both are on my short list for a new frame. Moving from a SB150 as I want something with longer rear center. Sizing I'm on a L SB150, would probably go L for Titan and in between L and XL on Megatower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Looks like the same pic posted twice, not two different size tires...imho.
    Fixed it. Sorry about that
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    I am running long dropouts (high) on my XL and the mud on my 2.4WTDH2 was clinging a rock now and thenand collecting way to much mud. I went to Shorty's on both ends. Man I'm loving the Shorty 2.5WT. Lots of clearance and no mud build up. I even think they are pretty sweet on the dry loose stuff. I might run these Shorty's all year!

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    To be fair, I had a single day on the Mega. But it was a home demo, where I had a day to set the bike up and rode it up and down National trail at South Mountain, which is a trail I ride regularly. I ultimately bought a Hightower, which I could not get rid of fast enough.

    I tried to pull up some ride data comparing the the Mega to the Titan, but the times are a little wonky. I know I was with another rider when I demo'd the Mega, which does affect my times.

    I thought the Mega was very fast and tracked well downhill, a touch harsh at speed in big technical chop. If I shuttled more or lived near a park, I definitely would have considered it.

    However, the thought of humping that thing up a mountain a few days a week was more than I could bear. I did not find it to climb technical terrain well at all.

    I was on an XL Mega and Hightower. Now on a L Titan.

    The Titan flat destroys the Mega (and the HT for that matter) climbing. Not close, despite being probably 3-4 pounds heavier.

    There were a couple short segments on National coming down that the Mega was slightly faster; mostly on the couple of smoother sections. Overall, the Titan is faster, particularly when the jank factor goes up. And it's more plush overall despite being a better climber.

    I can't say enough good things about this bike. It's legit. I'm not quite there yet, but the Titan could well be the best bike I've ever ridden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Blatant, you mentioned earlier that you had some time on a Megatower. How would you compare the MT to the Titan? Both are on my short list for a new frame. Moving from a SB150 as I want something with longer rear center. Sizing I'm on a L SB150, would probably go L for Titan and in between L and XL on Megatower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    To be fair, I had a single day on the Mega. But it was a home demo, where I had a day to set the bike up and rode it up and down National trail at South Mountain, which is a trail I ride regularly. I ultimately bought a Hightower, which I could not get rid of fast enough.

    I tried to pull up some ride data comparing the the Mega to the Titan, but the times are a little wonky. I know I was with another rider when I demo'd the Mega, which does affect my times.

    I thought the Mega was very fast and tracked well downhill, a touch harsh at speed in big technical chop. If I shuttled more or lived near a park, I definitely would have considered it.

    However, the thought of humping that thing up a mountain a few days a week was more than I could bear. I did not find it to climb technical terrain well at all.

    I was on an XL Mega and Hightower. Now on a L Titan.

    The Titan flat destroys the Mega (and the HT for that matter) climbing. Not close, despite being probably 3-4 pounds heavier.

    There were a couple short segments on National coming down that the Mega was slightly faster; mostly on the couple of smoother sections. Overall, the Titan is faster, particularly when the jank factor goes up. And it's more plush overall despite being a better climber.

    I can't say enough good things about this bike. It's legit. I'm not quite there yet, but the Titan could well be the best bike I've ever ridden.
    Solid praise indeed. How's that X2 been in the rear end? Are you considering a coil yet or is the air good enough in this configuration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    To be fair, I had a single day on the Mega. But it was a home demo, where I had a day to set the bike up and rode it up and down National trail at South Mountain, which is a trail I ride regularly. I ultimately bought a Hightower, which I could not get rid of fast enough.

    I tried to pull up some ride data comparing the the Mega to the Titan, but the times are a little wonky. I know I was with another rider when I demo'd the Mega, which does affect my times.

    I thought the Mega was very fast and tracked well downhill, a touch harsh at speed in big technical chop. If I shuttled more or lived near a park, I definitely would have considered it.

    However, the thought of humping that thing up a mountain a few days a week was more than I could bear. I did not find it to climb technical terrain well at all.

    I was on an XL Mega and Hightower. Now on a L Titan.

    The Titan flat destroys the Mega (and the HT for that matter) climbing. Not close, despite being probably 3-4 pounds heavier.

    There were a couple short segments on National coming down that the Mega was slightly faster; mostly on the couple of smoother sections. Overall, the Titan is faster, particularly when the jank factor goes up. And it's more plush overall despite being a better climber.

    I can't say enough good things about this bike. It's legit. I'm not quite there yet, but the Titan could well be the best bike I've ever ridden.
    I appreciate the thoughts and despite your previous commitment to not gush to much about a new bike I can detect some gushing. Sounds pretty awesome indeed. I like how it sounds to climb very well. Here in the front range of CO most everything is sustained climbing for at least 1500' if not 2000' in one go and it's usually pretty steep so climbing performance is a big deal.

    My SB150 does climb well but the balance sweet spot is really small and in cornering it gets upset somewhat easily. It's a good bike but really I just want to switch things up.

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    Solid praise indeed. How's that X2 been in the rear end? Are you considering a coil yet or is the air good enough in this configuration?
    Are you missing the HSC and HSR control of the full factory shock or is the tune good? Sounds like Banshee did work with Fox to get a good tune.

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    No coil at this point; Iím pleased with the X2, which is currently outperforming the Lyrik. Iíve found the tune to be excellent. Frankly, I donít miss the high-speed controls one bit. The bike seems to have a pretty large sweet spot. 215 psi for a 190 rider, couple clicks of rebound and compression, seems good to go.
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    The black beast does not disappoint! Nice and clean after it's first bath

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    very nice! It does represent very well in black!
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    Anyone here have time on the new Enduro? I spent three days on a S4 SWorks in the Monarch Crest area and was super impressed. What has been written is accurate IMO. Really good bike and it climbed pretty well, best big travel Horst link bike I've ridden. Pretty similar rear axle path between these two frames but I believe Titan has more rearward movement but that's on memory.

    I will have a Tallboy 4 for more mellow riding or big pedal missions.

    Dirt Merchant, do you have a L Titan I could throw a leg over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Dirt Merchant, do you have a L Titan I could throw a leg over?
    Nothing until the next shipment arrives in March. We do have a large/raw frame available, I believe it's the last in the US until March.
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    I asked Keith about running a Mullet setup on a Titan today. I am happy to share his answer with you:


    Ich habe mal bei Keith nachgefragt wie sich die Geometrie mit einem Mullet Hinterrad šndern wŁrde. Er freut sich, wenn ich das hier verŲffetliche:



    "If you want to run a mullet setup on the titan it will have the following effect on the geometry.
    Slacken head angle by approx. 0.6 degrees and drop bb height by about 10mm. So Iíd recommend running in high dropout setting which will basically get you very close to low geometry with 29Ē setup. (0.1 degree slacker and 2mm lower bb)."

    Sounds great!

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    Stoked to get my frame in March....I already have a Storia coil on order, been working with them a bit to set up a shock for this frame based on suspension curve.

    I'll probably keep the X2 as a backup / in case I need the Storia revalved.

    Cmon March!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grazertourer View Post
    I asked Keith about running a Mullet setup on a Titan today. I am happy to share his answer with you:


    Ich habe mal bei Keith nachgefragt wie sich die Geometrie mit einem Mullet Hinterrad šndern wŁrde. Er freut sich, wenn ich das hier verŲffetliche:



    "If you want to run a mullet setup on the titan it will have the following effect on the geometry.
    Slacken head angle by approx. 0.6 degrees and drop bb height by about 10mm. So Iíd recommend running in high dropout setting which will basically get you very close to low geometry with 29Ē setup. (0.1 degree slacker and 2mm lower bb)."

    Sounds great!
    I've been running this setup with 2.8" rear & 2.6" front tires & it rocks (for my style of riding & terrain). I also run 165mm cranks, so no issues with bb height.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RadBartTaylor View Post
    Stoked to get my frame in March....I already have a Storia coil on order, been working with them a bit to set up a shock for this frame based on suspension curve.
    Don't they already have a shock tune for it? At bansheebikes.net you can order the frame directly with a Storia shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    Don't they already have a shock tune for it? At bansheebikes.net you can order the frame directly with a Storia shock.
    Never seen that website....but you are right, looks like they do! I sent the Titan info to Storia and the local US rep, they were confident they could sort it out and didn't mention a shock tune existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadBartTaylor View Post
    Never seen that website....but you are right, looks like they do! I sent the Titan info to Storia and the local US rep, they were confident they could sort it out and didn't mention a shock tune existed.
    It's the german importer for Banshee, he had already connections to EXT in the last years. I ride one in my Prime V2 and it's awsome! Don't know how the US service center is, but in Europe they are extremely qualified and quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    It's the german importer for Banshee, he had already connections to EXT in the last years. I ride one in my Prime V2 and it's awsome! Don't know how the US service center is, but in Europe they are extremely qualified and quick.
    Heard great things about US Storia distributor also and never heard a bad thing about the Storia shocks. I have a buddy that has one that absolutely swears by them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13JKU View Post
    Got the routing fixed for the rear brake and replaced the DT Swiss rear (thanks rock-rod for the specs the other day) thru axles. Just added to front for sh*ts and giggles.
    What are the rear axle specs? I'm keen to replace the DT handle too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    What are the rear axle specs? I'm keen to replace the DT handle too.
    It uses Maxle standard

    Axle Length - 180mm
    Thread spec - M12x1.75
    Flat head at non drive side

    same for all Generation 2 modular dropout options.
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    Here's the Rock Shox MPN: 00.4318.005.028

    They go on ebay for around $35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
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    Very sharp looking bike, jnc. I recall your black ano Sultan well, in fact I bought one in no small part because photos of yours here on empty beer looked so hawt. I fell in lust with that bike.

    Interestingly you and I are still riding very capable black aluminum framed mountain bikes -- you on a Banshee Titan and me on a Guerrilla Gravity The Smash. Mine's a year and a half old now and I love it but had the Titan been available when I was deciding which bike would be my next back in May '18, there's a good chance you and I might be riding the same brand & model frame once again.

    Everything I've read, seen and heard about the Titan says it does exactly what I want a mountain bike to do, and does it well. Beyond this, the dang thing just looks like liquid sex. I have zero need for a(nother) new bike, but dammit I want one of these.
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    MRP, OneUp, and Wolf Tooth all have a 180/m12x1.75 bolt on axle options. The WT also has a nice washer to reduce friction when torqued.
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    Whats wrong with the dt axle? Seems secure enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    It uses Maxle standard

    Axle Length - 180mm
    Thread spec - M12x1.75
    Flat head at non drive side

    same for all Generation 2 modular dropout options.
    Quote Originally Posted by rock-rod View Post
    Here's the Rock Shox MPN: 00.4318.005.028

    They go on ebay for around $35.
    Thanks

    That DT Swiss handle axle supplied with the frame has got to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael.oakes4 View Post
    Whats wrong with the dt axle? Seems secure enough?
    Any of my bikes that used those type of handle rear axles I found I was beating them up and even catching on rocks (not often)whereas my bikes that don't have them have no damage around the rear axle and never get caught so I figure it doesn't need to be there...plus they look terrible lol

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    I've never had an issue with the DT axle coming loose, but I also have the handle pointing up. I could see it getting bumped loose if it's pointing down towards the ground. Once it's torqued, just pull the handle out and rotate it around to the 12 o'clock position.
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    Easily smashed to pieces by a rock strike. I've also heard reports of the plastic cracking when torquing to spec.

    Banshee has listened and a tooled axle will eventually be phased into the dropout kits.
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    Is the plan to eventually keep the inventory pipeline full? Or will the Titan be an in stock out of stock deal?

    Also agree with the others, a black rocker link would look a lot better on the red frame.

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    Ha! Yes, I'm sure Banshee wants to keep dealers and distributors around the globe stocked up at all times, there has been a lot of demand! There have been 2 Titan productions runs so far, the second round of Titan frames are headed to the US now. We are waiting on final packing list before we open up ordering for the incoming March shipment.
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    Right now I'm figure out what I want and when to get it. I don't need the Banshee Titan, but I want it. Just trying to time it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    Very sharp looking bike, jnc. I recall your black ano Sultan well, in fact I bought one in no small part because photos of yours here on empty beer looked so hawt. I fell in lust with that bike.

    Interestingly you and I are still riding very capable black aluminum framed mountain bikes -- you on a Banshee Titan and me on a Guerrilla Gravity The Smash. Mine's a year and a half old now and I love it but had the Titan been available when I was deciding which bike would be my next back in May '18, there's a good chance you and I might be riding the same brand & model frame once again.

    Everything I've read, seen and heard about the Titan says it does exactly what I want a mountain bike to do, and does it well. Beyond this, the dang thing just looks like liquid sex. I have zero need for a(nother) new bike, but dammit I want one of these.
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    I sold my Sultan when Banshee released the Prime. The Prime at the time was everything I wanted the Sultan to evolve into...but instead, Turner never moved forward with a long travel 29er. I rode the Prime for nearly 5 years until it was stolen out of my garage 2 years ago. After demoing a handful of bikes, I settled on the OG Hightower. I rode that for just over a season (with 27.5 x 2.8" wheels/tires)...and then the Titan dropped! I had to have one from the first production run, just like the Prime. No regrets (just like the Prime )

    I have ridden the bike with the wheels from the Hightower (27.5" SC Reserve 30, Maxxis Minions 2.8"), and am now experimenting with the 29 x 2.6" front setup. Both have their benefits...trying to decide if I want to add a full 29 wheelset, or just build a front.

    The Titan is everything you've read, Fast...controlled...stable at speed. Plush! It balances your weight in the center of the bike, so cornering at speed is very intuitive. It simply climbs like no long travel bike has any business climbing. For the chunky, techy trails we have here in Western Colorado it maintains amazing traction. I look forward to taking it to Moab in a few weeks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMerchantBicycles View Post
    Easily smashed to pieces by a rock strike. I've also heard reports of the plastic cracking when torquing to spec.

    Banshee has listened and a tooled axle will eventually be phased into the dropout kits.
    I just ordered a Wolf Tooth Axle. A tooled axle makes sense in many ways on a bike like this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post

    Most recent bikes: Ripmo and a new-gen Stumpy as a backup bike. Both sold. I LOVE bikes and can find something to like about just about anything. But I don't generally have a personal connection to these rigs; they're equipment to me. That said, I'm doing my best not to violate another personal rule: Not to gush about bikes after the first ride.

    So, I'm not going to do that.

    But, gosh ...
    Hey Blatant, any comparison to the Ripmo? How's the Banshee suspension next to the DW? Handling in tight stuff any harder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I just ordered a Wolf Tooth Axle. A tooled axle makes sense in many ways on a bike like this one.
    I want a 2nd water bottle on my Titan as sharing with my dog is a problem on longer rides. I got a Wolf Tooth Velcro strap bottle mount base which has a dense foam padding and 2 Velcro straps. Seems to be adequate but I still want bottle bosses under my DT . This the only real beef I have with my Titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I want a 2nd water bottle on my Titan as sharing with my dog is a problem on longer rides. I got a Wolf Tooth Velcro strap bottle mount base which has a dense foam padding and 2 Velcro straps. Seems to be adequate but I still want bottle bosses under my DT . This the only real beef I have with my Titan.
    What about a hydration pack for you and one bottle for your dog?
    2nd idea: Drilling 2 threaded holes in your DT for a second bottle cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    What about a hydration pack for you and one bottle for your dog?
    2nd idea: Drilling 2 threaded holes in your DT for a second bottle cage.
    I stopped using Hydropacks 10 years ago and won't go back. I have a drill and Nutserts with the gun that fastens them, but have not gone there yet as that will void any warranty as I understand it on the frame. I probably will eventually get there but am holding off for now until I am totally happy with placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I stopped using Hydropacks 10 years ago and won't go back. I have a drill and Nutserts with the gun that fastens them, but have not gone there yet as that will void any warranty as I understand it on the frame. I probably will eventually get there but am holding off for now until I am totally happy with placement.
    Understandable. I like the the DT bottle cage bosses on my V2 Prime and I use the cageless system from Fabric because it won't look weird without a bottle:
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    Not the cheapest solution, but likely better than drilling into your downtube!
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    The Fidlock Unibase and WT B-rad straps are pretty clean looking...What's not to like? Support the strap with the bottle bolt/cage on the top side and it should be solid.

    You could look into the WT Double Bottle adapter...hard to tell but would likely get in the way as it stick out on each side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Attachment 1302525 This is the advised cable routing. It avoids cable stretch while the suspension compresses and keeps them out of the way to avoid damage... plus is more direct and so shorter cable required. I highly recommend rerouting this way.

    Hope you enjoy the new ride, looks like a great build!
    I know the intent here for the derailleur cable is to tuck it between the linkage and BB. But this violates everything I know about routing cables and housing for smooth action.
    I ran mine straight out the DT and under the BB to keep the least amount of housing friction. Works great. I would recommend it this way. JM2C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I know the intent here for the derailleur cable is to tuck it between the linkage and BB. But this violates everything I know about routing cables and housing for smooth action.
    I ran mine straight out the DT and under the BB to keep the least amount of housing friction. Works great. I would recommend it this way. JM2C.
    Have you tried the recommended routing to compare?

    Violates everything you know about cable routing made me laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by chasejj View Post
    I know the intent here for the derailleur cable is to tuck it between the linkage and BB. But this violates everything I know about routing cables and housing for smooth action.
    I ran mine straight out the DT and under the BB to keep the least amount of housing friction. Works great. I would recommend it this way. JM2C.
    Have you checked you have enough cable length to accommodate full travel? There is a lot less cable movement, stretch and bend if you go between bottom link and BB.
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    I also routed mine under the BB. No regrets. Not a single one.

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    I mean, you can totally try other cable routing paths, but if you properly set up the Banshee-designed cable path it keeps things very quiet, all cables protected, and doesn't result in any weird/problematic bends. Not sure what the big deal is.

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    This^^. Not a huge deal either way, but itís weird to promote an alternate routing method that is inferior to the proscribed method.
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    Any tips on how to stop the cable rattling inside the downtube.

    I've run the cables as recommended and really like the design for fully protecting the cables and hose

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    On mine it was the entrance to the headtube was the only rattle. I stuck a bit of 3m rubber tape to the guides. Silent now.

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    I assume you torqued a zip tie over all three cables just forward of the BB? And the little two-piece cable guides are installed and tightened? Mine is dead silent.
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    Just used a bit of cable tidy, but same idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    I assume you torqued a zip tie over all three cables just forward of the BB? And the little two-piece cable guides are installed and tightened? Mine is dead silent.
    yep.

    sounds to me like they are rattling up near the headtube. the cables/hose can slide in and out of the cable guide so its not like they are holding them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie70 View Post
    yep.

    sounds to me like they are rattling up near the headtube. the cables/hose can slide in and out of the cable guide so its not like they are holding them..
    Yeah mine did the same thing. I pulled the cables and fitted some foam tubing over the cable housing, secured it with some 3M tape so it didn't move around and then fed it thru the frame. I ensured the bottom ziptie was snug and now it's silent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    fitted some foam tubing over the cable housing,
    Ok, will look into it.. didn't know such a thing existed!

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    My build

    Thought I'd throw up some pics of my build.

    Huge thanks to Ciaron Rush from www.rushys.com.au that sorted the frame and fork out for me. Had one day on the trail yesterday hitting the local downhill and enduro tracks (Ourimbah, NSW) and wow.. it is a weapon! Unreal how good it felt considering basically took it out of the box and standard suspension settings..
    I've just set it up mullet so keen to see how it rides..

    cheers

    ps: I've tidied up the front cables since these pics ....
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    Can anyone point out how the dropouts should be installed for low?

    I'm guessing that when using the oval two hole insert as a reference then the long part of the oval piece without the bolt hole should be facing down for low and up for high. Correct? Makes sense that way, but I don't see any documentation on Banshee's site or elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Can anyone point out how the dropouts should be installed for low?

    I'm guessing that when using the oval two hole insert as a reference then the long part of the oval piece without the bolt hole should be facing down for low and up for high. Correct? Makes sense that way, but I don't see any documentation on Banshee's site or elsewhere.
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    Thanks!

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    I'm interested in the Titan for my first frame up build, and have a couple questions.

    I'm curious about the tire clearance situation. The spec says there is clearance for 2.6in tires with the compact dropouts. But then I see someone saying the 2.4in Michelin Wild Enduro rear tire is having clearance issues? Then I also see someone saying a 2.5in WT Assegai and aggressor are fitting fine? Those seem to be conflicting statements.

    I see that the long dropouts increase the max tire size to 2.8in... but also increases the chainstay length to 462mm(!).

    I've got a 2.4in Michelin Wild enduro rear on my current bike, and while it is bigger than a 2.4in MaxxisÖ its actually just measuring true to size (not oversized). I was hoping that there would be space for a true 2.4? I doubt I'd run anything bigger than a 2.5 out back, but the fact that someone said a true 2.4 wasn't fitting was surprising to me.

    It looks like most people are going for the compact dropout option. Has anyone here ridden both the compact, and long dropouts? I know I'm looking for a bike with longer rear chainstays (currently I'm on a 29'er with 425mm chainstays, and looking for something more balanced), but 462mm seems super long, and I'm not sure how that would ride (I'd be on an L or XL if that matters, as I'm 6'1").

    And lastly, how does the bike handle mud? Specifically, the linkage/BB/chainstay areas are rather intricate, and look (from internet pictures anyway) like they might accumulate muck. Anyone have any feedback on if that's an issue? I'm in the PNW, and we ride in the wet/mud quite a bit, so I'm curious how it holds up in these types of conditions.

    Thanks everyone, I appreciate the help .

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    2.4 wild enduro is massive Iíve got one in the back of mine, it does fit with the 29 short dropouts but not much clearance. The long dropouts theres loads of room. 2.5 maxxis WTís fit fine.

    Long chainstays must be part of what makes the geo great so don't worry about that.iím also 6foot1 And ride a large.

    Iíve not had an issue with mud yet in uk winter.

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    My build is not complete yet but I have mounted the rear wheel just to take a look and a 2.5 WT Aggessor DD with CushCore on a 30mm rim has plenty of room.

    My only comment about mud is that it's pretty easy to make a custom mud guard that fits in to where the rear triangle has the cutouts. That should shield the lower pivots quite well and then you could easily mount a Marsh guard type fender or even Mud Hugger for the upper part.

    I'll try to get some pics of my little custom fender at some point but not promises on time as schedule may not permit for a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael.oakes4 View Post
    2.4 wild enduro is massive Iíve got one in the back of mine, it does fit with the 29 short dropouts but not much clearance. The long dropouts theres loads of room. 2.5 maxxis WTís fit fine.

    Long chainstays must be part of what makes the geo great so don't worry about that.iím also 6foot1 And ride a large.

    Iíve not had an issue with mud yet in uk winter.
    Thanks for the response here, I appreciate it.

    So you do have the compact dropouts and a Wild Enduro (which one, the front or rear specific tire)? You say the clearance is tight, but no issues with mud packing up/scratching the heck out of the frame in that configuration?

    Also, mud not being an issue, are you meaning tire clearance, or the whole frame/pivot location?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    My build is not complete yet but I have mounted the rear wheel just to take a look and a 2.5 WT Aggessor DD with CushCore on a 30mm rim has plenty of room.

    My only comment about mud is that it's pretty easy to make a custom mud guard that fits in to where the rear triangle has the cutouts. That should shield the lower pivots quite well and then you could easily mount a Marsh guard type fender or even Mud Hugger for the upper part.

    I'll try to get some pics of my little custom fender at some point but not promises on time as schedule may not permit for a few days.
    I've got a buddy with a 2.5 WT Aggressor. Maybe I'll swap measure his to see how it compares in size to my 2.4 Wild Enduro Rear (on i29's), and that may give me some better insight into what will/will not fit.

    I'm not trying to over-pivot on the tire clearance. I was just surprised that when the specs say 2.6in clearance, that some were reporting things were tight with 2.4's (Which, again, mine measure at actually 2.4). So I'm curious how restricted things are back there. You'd figure with the 452mm chainstays there would be plenty of room, but maybe not?

    And no rush on the photos of the build/fender (I'm not about to impulse buy), but I would be curious to see what you end up designing.

    Any 6'1" riders out there on the XL? And anyone with riding experience on both dropout lengths?

    Thanks again everyone .

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    I have wild enduro front and rear. Few Scratches from rocks but mud is ok, it is tight though, go long if you want to run a tire that big.... they are really high volume tires though. Banshee tested it with a WT maxxis so clearance is perfect on them. The michelins are really big. Tyre sizes in MTB mean nothing - plenty of 2.6ís are smaller than the 2.4 wild enduro. Awesome tyres though. Iím happy but it is close - just get the long dropouts if your worried.

    Iím 6 foot 1 and wouldnít want an XL, although it would probably fit equally well with a 35mm stem.... the playful/stable balance is spot on and with a 50mm stem its reach feels spot on - I have long arms/body and a 33ish inseem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael.oakes4 View Post
    I have wild enduro front and rear. Few Scratches from rocks but mud is ok, it is tight though, go long if you want to run a tire that big.... they are really high volume tires though. Banshee tested it with a WT maxxis so clearance is perfect on them. The michelins are really big. Tyre sizes in MTB mean nothing - plenty of 2.6ís are smaller than the 2.4 wild enduro. Awesome tyres though. Iím happy but it is close - just get the long dropouts if your worried.

    Iím 6 foot 1 and wouldnít want an XL, although it would probably fit equally well with a 35mm stem.... the playful/stable balance is spot on and with a 50mm stem its reach feels spot on - I have long arms/body and a 33ish inseem.
    Sorry for my persistence here. But which model of Wild Enduro do you have? I know in some wet areas, its popular to run the slightly larger"Front" model in front and rear, so figured I'd double check, as it could be either.

    THIS review shows the front at 2.43", and the rear model at 2.37".

    Anyway, I'm not overly concerned about it/don't want to make the thread focused on that. I was just hoping that I'd have the option to run things like the DHR 2.4, WTB Judge 2.4, Wild Enduro Rear/etc if needed.

    It sounds like you are comfortable running yours in the compact dropouts, which is basically what I needed to know, especially from what I understand, you have pretty similar to conditions to what we have here at times.

    And I appreciate your sizing info. I'm very nearly identically sized to you, so it gives me something to mull over.

    Thanks .

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    No probs - i have the front and rear wild enduro gum x at the proper ends :-)

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    Youíll have no issue with short drops and a DHR II. An SE4 2.4 is higher volume and fits fine. Not familiar with the other tires you listed.

    Unless you have unusual limb length, go with large.
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    No pics of the bike, just the places it takes me
    Beautiful day out on Horsethief Bench!
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    I have a L raw coming from Dirt Merchant, and Iím pretty excited. Iíve been on a 5.5 since summer 2016 and have never been in love with it. My GF is finally getting a new bike this spring too (Ripmo) so itís a big year for us.

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    My rattle stop solution, $5 cobweb brush stuffed into the downtube.. cheap, easy, reversable and no stuffing around with the existing cables!

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    Titan raw large
    WAO Insider rims with Vesper hubs
    Next R cranks
    AXS dropper and drivetrain
    DVO Onyx fork @170mm
    X2 shock
    Michelin enduro tyres
    Rear cushcore
    One up bars 770mm
    40mm stem ANVL stem
    Magura MT7 brakes 203/180
    SQLabs saddle
    SWAT headtube tool
    PNW grips

    Weight..unknown. About the same as an XL coil Megatower.

    Last bike was a 2020 Santa Cruz XL Hightower for reference which I sold quite quickly after purchase because I didn't care for how it handled rough, high speed chatter...it felt uncontrolled and rough (tried many shock combos, decided quickly I was trying to polish a turd).

    Bought the Titan frame and transferred most of the parts.

    Negatives of the Titan

    Seatpost insertion depth. With the AXS dropper I can't slam it to the collar. Thankfully the depth I could get it in was pretty much my inside leg so can't whinge too much lol
    One thing I noticed yesterday when riding, with the seatpost inserted as far as possible the bottom of the seatpost creaked against the frame. Two minute stop and move the seatpost up a few mm sorted the creak.

    Initially I thought the reach was too small...more to follow

    Positives of the Titan.

    Stability. Stiffness. Rear suspension action and grip. Steering feel. Feels great in the air. Pedals well with shock open and pedals even better with it firmed up on the back. Riding it, it tracks so well, is completely silent and feels likes its been carved from billet lol

    It's hard to be critical of this bike. It's the best bike I have ridden (Rallon, SB150, Hightower are in my history of bikes in this similar genre) and I think I've found a keeper.

    The reach feels good but a little foreign still as I'm used to longer stretch whilst standing. I'm going to play around with a few different stem lengths to experiment out of curiosity and try a coil shock but yeah, I'm pretty stoked on this purchase!

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    Quote Originally Posted by springs View Post
    Negatives of the Titan

    Seatpost insertion depth.
    yep agree.. Got mine slammed in and it is just on my limit at full extension.
    I'm looking changing to one-up post as it appears to have the shortest insertion depth of any dropper I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springs View Post
    The reach feels good but a little foreign still as I'm used to longer stretch whilst standing. I'm going to play around with a few different stem lengths to experiment out of curiosity and try a coil shock but yeah, I'm pretty stoked on this purchase!
    Not sure how tall you are, but I'm 6'1 and a 50mm stem has been perfect. I'm also running a pretty low rise bar and my stem quite low, and it now feels almost identical in the cockpit to my old Transition Sentinel.

    I'm also curious about trying a coil on this bike, in part because I've been struggling to get the X2 to work well. I had similar struggles with that shock on my Commencal Furious (since sold), and I think that not having the ability to tune in more HSC is problematic for me. The shock feels fine at lower speeds, but at a good pace it feels more harsh and unsupportive than a bike like the Titan should. Again, I had some similar issues with the X2 on my Commencal that were never totally resolved even with the HSC adjustment to try and control the shock a bit more on high speed hits.

    I'm exploring either an EXT Storia or Vorsprung-tuned Super Deluxe - anyone who has experience with either of those, please do speak up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    Not sure how tall you are, but I'm 6'1 and a 50mm stem has been perfect. I'm also running a pretty low rise bar and my stem quite low, and it now feels almost identical in the cockpit to my old Transition Sentinel.

    I'm also curious about trying a coil on this bike, in part because I've been struggling to get the X2 to work well. I had similar struggles with that shock on my Commencal Furious (since sold), and I think that not having the ability to tune in more HSC is problematic for me. The shock feels fine at lower speeds, but at a good pace it feels more harsh and unsupportive than a bike like the Titan should. Again, I had some similar issues with the X2 on my Commencal that were never totally resolved even with the HSC adjustment to try and control the shock a bit more on high speed hits.

    I'm exploring either an EXT Storia or Vorsprung-tuned Super Deluxe - anyone who has experience with either of those, please do speak up!
    I have a EXT sitting on my workbench waiting for my frame (which was backordered)...

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    Iíve never tried mine with air, but the Ohlins coil on mine is magic, I canít imagine how the rear suspension could be better in any way.

    Iím 6 foot 1 and on a large frame, settled on a 50mm stem.

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    I had a large Prime, which I replaced with an extra large 5.5. The Yeti never felt too big, but it also never felt fun, whereas I just loved the Prime and had loads of confidence in it. ďFunĒ depends on a lot of variables, but Iím dropping back to a large Titan. Iíll go back to a 50mm stem, though. I have a 30mm on the Yeti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    Not sure how tall you are, but I'm 6'1 and a 50mm stem has been perfect. I'm also running a pretty low rise bar and my stem quite low, and it now feels almost identical in the cockpit to my old Transition Sentinel.

    I'm also curious about trying a coil on this bike, in part because I've been struggling to get the X2 to work well. I had similar struggles with that shock on my Commencal Furious (since sold), and I think that not having the ability to tune in more HSC is problematic for me. The shock feels fine at lower speeds, but at a good pace it feels more harsh and unsupportive than a bike like the Titan should. Again, I had some similar issues with the X2 on my Commencal that were never totally resolved even with the HSC adjustment to try and control the shock a bit more on high speed hits.

    I'm exploring either an EXT Storia or Vorsprung-tuned Super Deluxe - anyone who has experience with either of those, please do speak up!
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael.oakes4 View Post
    Iíve never tried mine with air, but the Ohlins coil on mine is magic, I canít imagine how the rear suspension could be better in any way.

    Iím 6 foot 1 and on a large frame, settled on a 50mm stem.
    I'm the same height as you both so will definitely try the 50mm stem.

    An EXT shock was going to be my next purchase but a dirt cheap Bomber came up for sale so I'm going to use that as a gauge before shelling out the $$ on the EXT.

    Michael, what weight are you and what spring rate did you settle on with the shock?

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    Iím 14ish stone, i waver a bit. I had a 430 ohlins spring which feels pretty close, but Iíve just got a sprindex adjustable spring ao I can do some fine tuning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael.oakes4 View Post
    Iím 14ish stone, i waver a bit. I had a 430 ohlins spring which feels pretty close, but Iíve just got a sprindex adjustable spring ao I can do some fine tuning.
    I'm 88kg so that's almost 14 stone and have a 400 and a 450 to try. Are you feeling under or oversprung with the 430?

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    Either spot on or slightly over. Not bottoming out noticeably although i don't do anything Massive. The spridex does 390-440 I think so ask me in a couple of weeks when Iíve done some fine tuning, just waiting on my wrist healing up.

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    Itís nice to have other riders share my feelings about the new Hightower. I sometimes feel like an outlier when there are popular bikes I just didnít like.

    I think what sucks riders in with the HT is the incredible low-speed plushness. At 30% sag, the stiction and breakaway force are really incredible. It might be the most comfy bike at low speed Iíve ever ridden.

    It all changes as the speed and squares edges pick up. I was very happy to move along from that bike, but the local I sold it to loves it.

    The Titan absolutely eats the Hightowerís lunch on big burly descents. And it climbs better.
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    As I get more rides on my Titan my rear derailleur clutch (AXS) is starting to loosen up so I'm now getting chain slap on the rear stays. The slap protector on the chainstay is doing ok but doesn't cover the inside top edge of the stay so my chain has been eating the aluminium. The chain is also eating the underside face/edge of the seat stay closest to the axle.

    I've covered up both areas with mastic tape so fingers crossed it stops the noise and the angry chain doing any more damage. This is just a heads up for anyone who wants to protect that part of the frame.

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    Iím silent and no chain slap with the new XT drivetrain.

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    Is your chain the proper length? I ask, since I have a well-broken in GX drivetrain installed from a previous bike. Aside from a dab of velcro on top of the front portion of the chain stay, I have no chain slap at all.
    Just like a raindrop, I was born to fall.

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    Drivetrain installed as per SRAM's instructions and I'm 99% sure the chain length is the correct. I checked the B gap while I was there and the screw had backed out considerably, whether that is a contributory factor to the slap I don't know but it's all adjusted again.
    I have a mate running the same drivetrain on his Mega and his derailleur has loosened up considerably and he gets slap on similar trails too. I blame Onyx for this sensitivity to noise lol

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    Hello.

    About the rear axle can you unplug the top end?
    Like this?Banshee Titan LT 29er 2020-transferir.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngrn View Post
    Hello.

    About the rear axle can you unplug the top end?
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    It's a DT-Swiss rear axle, not sure if that helps.....

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    I know but it come off the end part or is a normal quick release.

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    It's the normal version.

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    Thanks
    Iīm going to change it for one more lighter (simple = bolt)
    Anyone is considering changing the bolts on the dropouts or the shock for titanium?

    Many thanks

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    Update on the chain slap. Whether it has been adjusting the B tension back in 7 turns and/or the mastic tape on the chainstays but the slap is completely gone. Happy days.

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    Given that trails around Seattle are locked down and I had a buyer, I offloaded my X2 and now shopping for a new rear shock. I could go Factory X2, or jump over to coil. For those of you running coils, have any of you run anything other than a Fox DHX2? I was ready to pull the trigger on an EXT, but they're shut down indefinitely until Italy re-opens for business.

    I like the weight of the new DVO Jade X, but I learned a long time ago that suspension without actual low and high speed compression adjustments do not work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    Given that trails around Seattle are locked down and I had a buyer, I offloaded my X2 and now shopping for a new rear shock. I could go Factory X2, or jump over to coil. For those of you running coils, have any of you run anything other than a Fox DHX2? I was ready to pull the trigger on an EXT, but they're shut down indefinitely until Italy re-opens for business.

    I like the weight of the new DVO Jade X, but I learned a long time ago that suspension without actual low and high speed compression adjustments do not work for me.
    What a bummer. I order an EXT for mine 7-8 weeks ago and got it right before things got bad over there, about 3-4 weeks ago....so just before the cut off.

    If it were me, I'd look into a Marz coil modified by Craig at Avvy, which doesn't have high speed adj (I don't believe) but would trust craig to get it right. Or look into a Vorsprung tractive tune on one of the RS coil:

    https://vorsprungsuspension.com/prod...eluxe-air-coil

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    I'm monitoring websites for a used RS coil in my size, but for my cost on an EXT its basically equal between a Vorsprung tune on a used SD Coil versus waiting for the EXT. Tough choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    I'm monitoring websites for a used RS coil in my size, but for my cost on an EXT its basically equal between a Vorsprung tune on a used SD Coil versus waiting for the EXT. Tough choices.
    Agreed - opinions vary but I think a tuned stock shock is every bit as good if not better than the "semi-custom" tune when you get a Push or EXT.

    I went through the same thing as you though. I think you should get the RS tuned by Vorsprung so we can compare....

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    I just put a Marzocchi Bomber coil in with a 400lb spring and have one ride on it. Spring rate seems to be spot on for my ready to ride weight of 87kg, I have approx 15mm of sag. I got the coil cheap and intended sending it to Avalanche but haven't got round to it yet, figured I would test and adjust first.

    First impressions are that the OEM X2 compares very well to the Bomber coil. The coil is definitely more sensitive and active over small stuff but I will do a back to back comparison once I get the coil set up.

    FYI to adjust the rebound I have to remove the bottom mount bolt of the shock and pull it up to access the knob. Bit of a pain but only takes a minute or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by springs View Post
    I just put a Marzocchi Bomber coil in with a 400lb spring and have one ride on it. Spring rate seems to be spot on for my ready to ride weight of 87kg, I have approx 15mm of sag. I got the coil cheap and intended sending it to Avalanche but haven't got round to it yet, figured I would test and adjust first.

    First impressions are that the OEM X2 compares very well to the Bomber coil. The coil is definitely more sensitive and active over small stuff but I will do a back to back comparison once I get the coil set up.

    FYI to adjust the rebound I have to remove the bottom mount bolt of the shock and pull it up to access the knob. Bit of a pain but only takes a minute or two.
    Was debating which spring to use, I have a 400 and 425, I'm about 85 kg so think I'll stick with the 400 for now.

    The rebound on the Storia is really tight to access, can barely get to it, but looks like I can manage without removing shock.

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    RadBartTaylor, have you ridden the Storia yet? Any thoughts regarding performance, both climbing and descending?

    My X2 needs service right out of the box. I've submitted a warranty claim with Fox but after having a coil on another bike I'm really tempted to get one for the Titan.

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    Just built up my Titan. I went with the size Large. I'm 6-1, 220lb with 32 inseam. I was on the fence for quite a while about L/XL. I decided to prioritize wheelbase vs. reach. The reach is similar to my current XL Canfield Riot and feels slightly smaller in the seated position, both with 50mm stems. Happy to discuss further, but I definitely took into account the responses in this thread re: sizing. So far, I am happy that I did.

    This is a mostly new build which is new for me since I like to build bikes from spare parts and don't generally concern myself with matching. As it turned out, I had a set of proto SDG grips and CB pedals that I won at a raffle that really helped turn this bike into a bag of skittles. I had originally wanted the black ano, but didn't want to wait any longer and I've had five other raw bikes over the last 10 years so it was time for some color in my garage.

    Large Frame
    DVO JadeX with 500lb spring
    DVO Onyx (currently set at 180 will switch to 170)
    Ridefast Mainline wheels
    Hayes Dominion brakes with 8" rotors
    Shimano SLX 12spd drivetrain
    SDG Tellis 170mm post and SDG saddle
    Renthal Fatbar v2 31.8
    Truvativ Holzfeller 50mm stem
    Front tire is Minion DHR2 2.6
    Rear is Michelin Wild Rockr2 2.35

    The only issue I've had is the 2.6 Specialized Eliminator (great rear tire in BD casing) tire did a number on the paint inside the rear triangle. It is a true 2.6 width and spun ok in the stand but every rock that got picked up led to an audible scratch.

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    Happy to report that I've placed an order on an EXT Storia - the EXT distributor (Suspension Syndicate) was super responsive and easy to deal with, and said they have a good tune in the system for the Titan as more of the bikes have gotten out into the world.

    I looked into an Avy tune, but Craig indicated 5+ weeks lead time, and getting the Bomber CR shock just right with the upgraded IFP, upgraded bottom out bumper and spring retainer, etc., would have turned into a $350-ish tune on top of the price of the shock itself.

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    How did you guys route the cables and brake lines internally? What was your method?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadBartTaylor View Post
    How did you guys route the cables and brake lines internally? What was your method?

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    First remove the shock and the housing guides from the frame.

    I fed in the rear der and seatpost housing through the upper hole until I could visualize it in the lower hole, then slid a cable through the housing and grabbed it with a needle nose pliers. Worked pretty well, same technique for the rear der housing through the chainstay.

    For the brake housing, I taped it to the rear der housing and fed it back up from bottom to top. Reinstalling the little housing guides was a bit tricky with the tiny screw and both housing jutting out, but not big deal. My cables all ended up a bit too long for my taste, but better a bit too long than too short. I'll trim when it's time to service.

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    I picked mine up yesterday. Itís a frame swap, not a fresh build. I may refresh the fork, drivetrain, and brakes next year. Iím looking forward to my first ride.


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