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    2018+ Banshee Prime thread

    Wanted to offer some dedicated Prime talk space. Starting off I can offer a bit more of a review of my recent 2018 Prime build.

    Coming off of a 2016 Spitfire, 160mm fork, low setting.

    On a 2018 Prime, 160mm fork, low setting. Frame size Large. I am 180cm. Full specs maybe later...

    This is my first anodized Banshee. And OMG WHAT HAVE I BEEN MISSING. Amazing. Aces. Friends fondle this thing. It's beautiful. The new frame tubing also is quite pleasing to the eyes. Quality of this frame is just A+. I've had a 2015 and 2016 Banshee and lemme say, Keith, you stepped it up with the 2017 updates.

    Climbing it's great. It really motors, I've set some good times (for me!) on big climbs in the area. Steep gravel roads I've climbed 40 times, I'm besting anything I did on my Spitfire. Technical climbs - equally as capable as the spit, but with better rollover. It really is great. I can feel the front wheel flop (let's be honest I have this thing set up slaaaaack) only on the steepest and tightest switchbacks. Considering trying the high drop out setting, or, more likely, dropping the fork to 150mm.

    It wheelies just fine. Do not listen to the Pinkbike Pundits complaining about chainstay length. No guys. Front comes up easy and it's no harder to keep it going than on my Spitfire with 11mm shorter stays. (cornering discussed below).

    Descending it's a weapon - but I need to figure out a few things. One thing for certain, it corners better than I expected it to. I mean it rails. It's got that Banshee DNA for sure. With the 170mm dropper (which fits with 20mm to spare on my Large frame and I am am 180cm), you can make this thing super maneuverable, le wowza. It goes straight fast. It jumps well - right now for jumping, my suspension setup is limiting factor, not the geometry. It's stable at speed.
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    here is my problem....in steep stuff, I am losing the front wheel with a modicum of regularity. Tap the front brake in loose steeps? Whoof. Wet root in a corner? Swoof. I measured HTA and am coming up with 65.5 degrees. That's pretty much exactly what my old Spitfire was. So what has changed? I am a rear-tire-rider for sure. Ride like a cowboy hanging off the back. But now that seems to be an issue. Do I need to push myself forward on the bike? A bit more in attack position? This is my first 29er.

    Also and perhaps this is meaningless but on a flat trail, if you turn the bars too much, tapping the brake just totally sends you into a jackknife. This has me going down the fork offset rabbit hole and I am wondering if bringing the front wheel in a bit may help all of my symptoms. Oh gosh forgive me if I am opening Pandora's box. I'm just ignorant.

    Anyways post up some Prime pics and builds. Last Prime thread was from I think 2013. Lots of changes since then and this bike is cemented into the lineup by now. Braaaaap!

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    The feelings you are getting under front braking are to an extent related to having a longer fork... while head angle might be the same, the 29er fork is longer and the wheel has bigger radius... these things do have an impact on how the bike has to be ridden to get most out of it.

    Simple setup changes you could try in order of ease...
    -Try higher setting
    -Try rolling the bars forwards a bit
    -Try dropping stem if you have a spacer under it
    -Try a slightly longer stem if you have one (will help you weight front wheel)
    -Try reducing fork Travel.

    Also check you have correct rear shock sag... if you are running too much it will have similar effect to weight distribution has a tall fork. You should be aiming for 15-15.5mm of shock sag (28-30% sag)

    You can also actively try and change your riding stance to be more aggressive, attack the trail with weight leaning forwards more and elbows bent and out the way to get weight over front axle more.

    There is an element of getting used to a new bike, some people can jump on any bike and be shredding within minutes, personally I'm quite specific with setup on my personal bikes and if I change it, it takes me a good few rides to fully get used to it and adjust.

    Have fun working it out!
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    OP you answered your own question:

    - rear wheel rider = front wheel washouts

    You can't generate traction on the front wheel without some weight on it.

    Same goes for your turning issue.

    Yes a lower offset fork will help, but only a bit. You need to ride the bike with your weight more centered between the wheels.
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    Thanks Keith and Vic. I played with rear shock sag, increased it a bit and that def helped...a lot! Will try the high setting and rolling the bars a bit. Thx!

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    I agree about how great this bike is. I've a similar set up on my 2018 build, (Lyrik @ 160mm) and found that the bike came alive when put in the low drop out positoning. High made it a touch tippy toed.

    Low actually made the CS a little longer and as mine is XL I actually prefer it. I'm running the compact drop outs but have the longer ones as spares just in case I want it even longer.

    There's very little wheel flop for me, I've experienced that before on other bikes but I don't feel it on the trail. I definitely ride with a certain weight balance to make the front behave. I've only had a couple of moments in (rough) corners where the front has felt like the rebound is too slow so it wouldn't track the ground. Attacking the trail with more front weight emphasis fixed it.

    I'm now running a 140mm fork as an experiment and the steering / handling is definitely better overall, just less plush. Fox 34 Factory with Fast Cartridge damper isn't quite as nice as my Lyrik. For me and where I ride the 150mm setting would probably be ideal.

    The pedalling is outstanding, especially with a 32t front. It's solid yet nimble.

    Props to Keith and team for making such a fantastic and versatile bike!

    Keen to hear how you get on with your tweaking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    I agree about how great this bike is. I've a similar set up on my 2018 build, (Lyrik @ 160mm) and found that the bike came alive when put in the low drop out positoning. High made it a touch tippy toed.

    Low actually made the CS a little longer and as mine is XL I actually prefer it. I'm running the compact drop outs but have the longer ones as spares just in case I want it even longer.

    There's very little wheel flop for me, I've experienced that before on other bikes but I don't feel it on the trail. I definitely ride with a certain weight balance to make the front behave. I've only had a couple of moments in (rough) corners where the front has felt like the rebound is too slow so it wouldn't track the ground. Attacking the trail with more front weight emphasis fixed it.

    I'm now running a 140mm fork as an experiment and the steering / handling is definitely better overall, just less plush. Fox 34 Factory with Fast Cartridge damper isn't quite as nice as my Lyrik. For me and where I ride the 150mm setting would probably be ideal.

    The pedalling is outstanding, especially with a 32t front. It's solid yet nimble.

    Props to Keith and team for making such a fantastic and versatile bike!

    Keen to hear how you get on with your tweaking!
    Agreed the pedaling is great. I really like the KS bikes, on them now for 3 years. Pedal strong.

    Interesting about the 140mm fork and handling. I have the spacer for my Fox 36 to drop it 10mm to 150mm travel and am inclined to try it, but will maybe look at some of the less intrusive options first - oh and riding the bike more!

    Haven't forgotten about our correspondence RE:Fox settings. Again, I'll post mine up when I have a good thing going. Feeling really good about my rear shock. Riding trip this weekend so hoping to tune it all in a bit more.

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    Hope you have a wicked trip! On the other build thread someone recommended 150mm or 140mm as the sweet spot and I'm inclined to agree with them. 160mm is pretty damned good but I feel the benefit in direction changes and just trail sensation.

    No worries on the settings, let me know how you go. And now I've out the fork at 140 I've got to dial back some compression or air pressure. It's a nice problem to have....

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    @lithified, I've played about with my X2 some more and landed on compression settings and air pressure which are just magical.

    16 clicks HSC from firm
    8 clicks LSC from firm.

    Rebound on both circuits are the same as I'd mentioned before, and the air pressure is niw at 220 PSI.

    It pedals with a 160mm Lyrik like nothing I've ever ridden, it just glides over everything.
    No bottoming out on big hits and so supportive yet plush. No pedal bobbing at all and I don't need the climb switch.
    I could probably go down a click or two on HSC as I'm about 5mm from the end of the shaft after hits that should go full travel.

    It makes me question why I need my Remedy and is just better everywhere and I love that bike.

    If you're about 95kgs give it a try. I'm just stunned by how well it rides and am truly smitten. If it was stellar before, it's sensational now.

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    Friday night Pisgah shuttle sesh with the boys . Getting more used to the Prime, but still learning how to huck with wagon wheels - hence end of video cackling when rear wheel hit me in the hind parts, lol.


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    Interesting thread.
    I just switched from a 2013 Spitfire with older 160 Fox36, drop outs in high setting, to a 2017 Prime with MRP Ribbon 150. Both XL frames, I'm 6'2". Running the Prime with Long drop outs in high. It is one Looooong bike, but I like that. Good for climbing and higher speed stability, which comes in handy in the high mountains here in Colorado.
    Only had a couple of rides on it so far, still need to fine tune the Ribbon (lots of adjustment options), disappointed that the Monarch doesn't have a proper compression dial (just the 3 position switch).
    Anyway, it's stable, it rolls over most everything and it climbs decent. So far I'm happy with the change, will lower the bar a bit to gain front end pressure as per discussion, although I'm not experiencing the problems described by OP, I'm pretty comfy already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    Anyway, it's stable, it rolls over most everything and it climbs decent. So far I'm happy with the change, will lower the bar a bit to gain front end pressure as per discussion, although I'm not experiencing the problems described by OP, I'm pretty comfy already.

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    Looks great dude! Nice!

    As a quick update I went to a 50mm stem and that really helped! I think I will still drop to a 150 fork during rebuild this winter. Bike shreds.


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    Got my eye on an Orange, Race build Prime...

    Need stars to align on queue, before I start looking for the credit card though.

    Really keen on a mid-long travel 29er.

    Guessing you guys have been riding yours a while now.

    Any drawbacks? Anything you've had to change? Buyers remorse? ;-)

    Talk me into/out of getting a Prime.

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    ^^ haha. Love it. I've been on mine for 2.5 months now and it just rips. Took me a bit to sort out my fit on the bike, but that wasn't the bikes fault! It's super petty but the only thing I'd change about this frame if I could would be a dang water bottle in the triangle. Otherwise I love everything about it.

    Have done a 56 mile endurance event all the way to shuttle sessions with this rig. Hasn't missed a beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    ^^ haha. Love it. I've been on mine for 2.5 months now and it just rips. Took me a bit to sort out my fit on the bike, but that wasn't the bikes fault! It's super petty but the only thing I'd change about this frame if I could would be a dang water bottle in the triangle. Otherwise I love everything about it.

    Have done a 56 mile endurance event all the way to shuttle sessions with this rig. Hasn't missed a beat.

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    The water bottle inside the frame is the ONLY issue. I get around it with what you'd call a fanny pack. :^)

    Geo spot on for purpose and it looks stunning. Mine is Raw tint & Red.

    Any preconceived notions of weight being a challenge are long forgotten when you ride it.

    I've a Remedy 9.8 with carbon wheels which whilst much lighter can't hold a candle to it on any trail. Descending is just amazing. I've been riding it for about 3 months and am just astounded by how well it rides.

    The adjustable nature of it with the drop outs makes a real difference. The climbing is excellent and mine has 160mm forks and is set in low. Should be terrible but it's the opposite.

    To be blunt, I wish I'd bought one earlier. I was on a Fuel EX 9.9 with carbon everything that I loved. When I killed it (just too frail) I spent ages poring over geometry details on frames and things like threaded bottom bracket and ISCG05 fittings and nothing else does the job.

    If I'd never killed the Fuel I'd not have this Prime which frankly is better in every single way.

    100% would buy again and am tempted by a Phantom and Rune now..

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    Just dropped my prime to low setting and it actually climbs better for me and handles even better on the decents. Running a 160mm fork and 40mm stem in an XL and the fit is spot on. Itís a great bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    The water bottle inside the frame is the ONLY issue. I get around it with what you'd call a fanny pack........100% would buy again and am tempted by a Phantom and Rune now..
    Ya, but it gets tough when you get into the long rides. I have started carrying a water bottle (in my fanny pack) that has a built in filter. I live and ride in the SE USA where we have a ton of water, so I can always dip it and fill up.

    Been really itching for an XC bike for some of my longer riding pursuits....a Phantom at 120/140 with a water bottle cage....just dreaming....I'll see myself out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by benmcgill View Post
    Just dropped my prime to low setting and it actually climbs better for me and handles even better on the decents. Running a 160mm fork and 40mm stem in an XL and the fit is spot on. Itís a great bike!
    That's just how I have mine. I'm tempted to drop the fork to 150mm just to see what it's like but I'm splitting hairs really. And the bike definitely feels more planted and handles better in the low setting. I like that it extends the wheelbase too. At my size I don't want super short chain stays.
    It's a keeper. :^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    a Phantom at 120/140 with a water bottle cage....just dreaming....I'll see myself out....
    You're not alone. I've got the 140mm fork, wheels, and other elements in the garage just waiting for that to drop.

    Patience... I must learn patience....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    You're not alone. I've got the 140mm fork, wheels, and other elements in the garage just waiting for that to drop.

    Patience... I must learn patience....
    These other guys in the forum long shocking their Phantoms has me wondering....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    That's just how I have mine. I'm tempted to drop the fork to 150mm just to see what it's like but I'm splitting hairs really. And the bike definitely feels more planted and handles better in the low setting. I like that it extends the wheelbase too. At my size I don't want super short chain stays.
    It's a keeper. :^)
    I went from 140mm to 160mm on the fork and had seriously contemplated going to 150mm after that but with the bike now in the low setting it works!

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    Nice. Im looking for a new rig currently with Prime on my short list.
    What offset forks are people running?
    Asking with regard to this short is good thing fas per transition sentinel/ Ibis Ripmo combined with a slacker headtube.
    Was thinking going a slackset of 2 degrees then add offset bushings will steepen the ST and HT by 1 degree and the shorter offset MRP Ribbon

    Any thoughts on this?
    Would love to hear Keiths thoughs.
    Cheers

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    Mine is running 46mm at 160mm travel. Might drop it to 150mm as I have an airshaft waiting on me when I next drop the lowers.

    What else are you looking at by way of comparison?

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    You can now get a Ribbon in 51,46 or 41,
    The Transition sentinel comes with a Lyric which is 42 so was wondering if go for the 41 or just stick with a 46

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Nice. Im looking for a new rig currently with Prime on my short list.
    What offset forks are people running?
    Asking with regard to this short is good thing fas per transition sentinel/ Ibis Ripmo combined with a slacker headtube.
    Was thinking going a slackset of 2 degrees then add offset bushings will steepen the ST and HT by 1 degree and the shorter offset MRP Ribbon

    Any thoughts on this?
    Would love to hear Keiths thoughs.
    Cheers
    Fork offset, like pretty much everything in bike setup, is a personal preference. I have ridden long and short offset back to back on the same bike, and honestly, it doesn't make a huge difference to me. My thoughts on it are that it's more about matching fork offset to stem length. If you run a short stubby stem, then a short offset feels well balanced, likewise if you run a longer stem a longer fork offset feels better in my opinion. You can get bogged down in trail numbers etc, but really it's a case of balancing the bikes playfulness vs stability, and weight distribution to work best for you. In general, a short offset fork will be more playful and less stable than a long offset fork on the same bike.

    regarding your idea of geometry adjustment on the prime... I suggest you try it as stock first, you might be pleasantly surprised! The changes you have suggested will have desired effect, but will also raise the BB height which is in my opinion one of the most important numbers for ride quality... so something to consider.
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    Thanks Keith.
    Great insights on the offset question
    My plan was to try stock geo first I did think that the bb would be raised.
    Thanks you your input

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    Well pulled the pin and a new Red Raw frame will be heading to Melbourne soon.

    Build pics to Follow.

    Still to decide on a fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Well pulled the pin and a new Red Raw frame will be heading to Melbourne soon.

    Build pics to Follow.

    Still to decide on a fork
    Yeew!
    Get excited...and you selected the best finish too.

    Set up depends on where you plan to ride it, but 150mm as a minimum for front travel.

    I took mine to Redhill this weekend gone and it's ridiculously good. Wasn't gassed on climbing and was mobbing descending like a madman.

    Then my mate had a quick run on it and he was blown away.

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    Youre kidding!
    I was at Redhill on my Spitty on Saturday.
    Was with a mate who is a local down there.
    We ran into a guy he knows on a YT who was talking about just riding a mates Banshee and was super impressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Youre kidding!
    I was at Redhill on my Spitty on Saturday.
    Was with a mate who is a local down there.
    We ran into a guy he knows on a YT who was talking about just riding a mates Banshee and was super impressed
    I was there on Saturday too. Ace trail conditions weren't they!

    My mate has a Canyon Strive. Seriously I can't recommend the bike enough. Coming off carbon bikes I was expecting this to be a little lardy. Couldn't be further from the truth in terms of how it rides. I'm running an X2 and frankly the bike is wonderful. You're in for a treat and I'm looking forward to seeing your build plan / spec.

    MTBDirect looked after me on delivery too, keeping me informed on progress. :^)

    Keep us all posted as you settle on spec.

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    Awesome day for the middle of winter.
    Im getting mine through Ben at Singletracks.
    He had a used Phantom frame for sale and gave me a great combined deal!
    I may have a banshee problem this will be #4 &5 I probably should make a post with all of them once completed

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    You make it sound like a bad thing.. :^)
    If my Banshee experience continues as it has so far I can see myself owning another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    You make it sound like a bad thing.. :^)
    Well if you ask my wife.......
    It all started for me with a used Rampant I will never get rid of it!

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    Now to get some 27.5plus tires,



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    Now to get some 27.5plus tires,



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    OhhhhOhhhhh....the black and raws look siiiiiiick. Nice!

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    Where can I buy one of these in the states. Jenson was only place I could find but they don't have the large and told me they where not getting any more. Iam 5'11 so assumed iam a large. I could not find any size charts on the prime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigso View Post
    Where can I buy one of these in the states. Jenson was only place I could find but they don't have the large and told me they where not getting any more. Iam 5'11 so assumed iam a large. I could not find any size charts on the prime.
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    ^^^^ yep dirt merchant ftw. Call up Ethan he'll get ya rolling!

    And yes, at 5'11", large will be bueno

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    Hey I just checked the Jenson website and they have larges in both the gx eagle (red) and slx builds (red and burnished black). The burnished black and red are Jenson exclusive. The standard colors are black, orange with yellow letters, and raw with red letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicwsb View Post
    Hey I just checked the Jenson website and they have larges in both the gx eagle (red) and slx builds (red and burnished black). The burnished black and red are Jenson exclusive. The standard colors are black, orange with yellow letters, and raw with red letters.
    Yes but I don't want the red I really want the burnished black or all black. I want the gx build . Don't want the Nx or shinano builds

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigso View Post
    Yes but I don't want the red I really want the burnished black or all black. I want the gx build . Don't want the Nx or shinano builds
    I am so blown away by my all black ano frame. It just looks and feels *so* good in person. I had one of the powder coated frames before. This black ftw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigso View Post
    Yes but I don't want the red I really want the burnished black or all black. I want the gx build . Don't want the Nx or shinano builds
    Gotcha. This last month I picked up the gx build in burnished black. It looks really great, especially in person. Also I was able to get a hold of one of the gear advisers about a custom build and they were willing to do it for me at a great price. Might be worth a shot. Their prices are hard to beat for the specs they come with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicwsb View Post
    Gotcha. This last month I picked up the gx build in burnished black. It looks really great, especially in person. Also I was able to get a hold of one of the gear advisers about a custom build and they were willing to do it for me at a great price. Might be worth a shot. Their prices are hard to beat for the specs they come with.

    The slx build seriously has my eye with the price point it's at right now... My only concern is brakes, I run slxs currently and they feel a little undergunned for what it sounds like the prime can dish out.... Think this is something they would be open to swap out based on your experience?

    I'm guessing these weigh in around 33-34? Torn between this and a Kona process 153 in 29 as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rclugnut View Post
    The slx build seriously has my eye with the price point it's at right now... My only concern is brakes, I run slxs currently and they feel a little undergunned for what it sounds like the prime can dish out.... Think this is something they would be open to swap out based on your experience?

    I'm guessing these weigh in around 33-34? Torn between this and a Kona process 153 in 29 as well....
    What size rotors do you run? The brakes that come with the bike are very similar to the slx's. I think a 203 rotor with them would be great. I had Magura MT5's on my last bike and switched them over to this bike. So I do not have much experience with the exact brakes that come with it. You can shoot them a inquiry and see what they offer. Unless you are going full custom I would have to high of hopes, but they may work out a little something. I wouldn't let the brakes alone deter you from the bike, as that is something you can always upgrade in the future.

    The Banshee Prime does not actually feel that heavy for not having an ounce of carbon on it. I haven't weighed it but I would guess 32-33ish pounds. It will for sure be lighter than the process 153. My wife demoed a carbon 153 and it was a tank. They are very heavy bikes.

    I have demoed a Orbea Rallon, Whyte S-150, Pivot Switchblade, Norco Sight, Trek Slash, and Ibis Ripmo (Demoed twice). Most of these were carbon top end spec. I would say from my experience that the Prime is very similar to the Ripmo. Both tied as my favorite bikes I have ridden to date. I initially was set on the Ripmo but there is a long wait for them and it was twice the cost of the Prime. For the similar spec Ripmo it would be twice the cost as the Prime. I can 100% say that it isn't twice as good. I think carbon bikes are nice, but a well built aluminum bike can be very comparable IMO. The Prime has really surprised me with how poppy/playful despite it's longer chainstays. All that to say I am extremely pleased with the bike and think it is not only one of the best deals on the market, but one best all around bikes that is offered right now.

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    I am also seriously considering a Prime from Jenson and would greatly appreciate some advice from existing owners, since I'm worried about the size. I'm currently working in SE Asia and unfortunately there's no way I'll be able to find a model in the correct size for a test-ride.

    I'm about 6' 2.5" with a dodgy back and a fairly upright/hang off the back riding style. I've been riding since the early 90s and spent 5 years on a 2005 Marzocchi 66 RC, which some of you may remember was one of the tallest forks ever built. I loved it, and used it at many of the "marathon downhill" races in Europe which helped to trigger the birth of Enduro. Unfortunately, work commitments have meant that I've only ridden MTBs a handful of times in the past 8 years, and geometry has changed a lot during this period. Now, obviously I understand the kinematic arguments why we should be riding long-reach bikes for improved stability/weight distribution, with short stems for quicker steering and low stack heights to encourage us to weight the front wheel. Realistically, however, I'm concerned that given my age, (lack of) flexibility and how infrequently my job actually lets me ride a bike, I would have difficulty adapting my riding style to long/low geometry.

    My question, therefore, is this: is a Large Prime definitely going to be too small/short for me? I'd be wanting to use a 160mm fork (probably a Ribbon coil) and either a 50mm/20 deg rise or 70mm/20 deg rise stem (preferably the 50). I'm not too bothered about the bike's climbing ability, but want something fast, manoeuverable and forgiving downhill. I've never actually ridden a 29er offroad before, but was recommended to try one by friends. I haven't ridden a Banshee before either, but they appeal to me due to their reputation for building "trailbikes for downhillers".

    In case it helps, my (woefully underused) existing bike is a Large Sinister Gruitr from 2009. It feels very slightly cramped when I'm out of the saddle, and people with whom I've ridden have pointed out that it looks too small for me. [It's actually quite a long frame for that era, but has a deceptively short seat tube.] I also have two older Orange freeride bikes in Large (18") which fit very well, as well as a ~19" Sinister 120mm hardtail with custom geometry which is wonderful; however all three of these are in storage 6000km away. The only new bike which I've managed to try was a large Mondraker Foxy (27.5") last week. The reach was OK, but the front end was painfully low - I had neck ache from trying to look up/ahead and it felt like I'd go over the bars if I lost concentration. I also thought that the bike seemed reluctant to manual.

    I will be profoundly grateful for any guidance or suggestions which you can provide.

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    I am 511 my prime Large fits me perfect, is all I can tell you. I think they also have a guideline for your size on there website that I bet is most accurate. The deals Jenson have are smoking hot, I am not sure how long they will last I would not waiste to much time.

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    Thanks for the input, Dave. I found the geometry on the Banshee site, but no guidelines for rider height/sizing - I guess because there's considerable overlap depending on riding styles/preferences.

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    Agreed to comment above that the Jenson deals are screaming right now. Love they are getting more exposure to the brand.

    A 180-181cm rider here on a large with a 50mm stem. At over 6'2" I gotta think XL for ya bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicwsb View Post
    What size rotors do you run? The brakes that come with the bike are very similar to the slx's. I think a 203 rotor with them would be great. I had Magura MT5's on my last bike and switched them over to this bike. So I do not have much experience with the exact brakes that come with it. You can shoot them a inquiry and see what they offer. Unless you are going full custom I would have to high of hopes, but they may work out a little something. I wouldn't let the brakes alone deter you from the bike, as that is something you can always upgrade in the future.

    The Banshee Prime does not actually feel that heavy for not having an ounce of carbon on it. I haven't weighed it but I would guess 32-33ish pounds. It will for sure be lighter than the process 153. My wife demoed a carbon 153 and it was a tank. They are very heavy bikes.

    I have demoed a Orbea Rallon, Whyte S-150, Pivot Switchblade, Norco Sight, Trek Slash, and Ibis Ripmo (Demoed twice). Most of these were carbon top end spec. I would say from my experience that the Prime is very similar to the Ripmo. Both tied as my favorite bikes I have ridden to date. I initially was set on the Ripmo but there is a long wait for them and it was twice the cost of the Prime. For the similar spec Ripmo it would be twice the cost as the Prime. I can 100% say that it isn't twice as good. I think carbon bikes are nice, but a well built aluminum bike can be very comparable IMO. The Prime has really surprised me with how poppy/playful despite it's longer chainstays. All that to say I am extremely pleased with the bike and think it is not only one of the best deals on the market, but one best all around bikes that is offered right now.
    Love to read this. I've been demoing a bunch of bikes over the last year as well and agree that the Ripmo is similar. It's my favorite bike out right now fo sho, BUT also agreed that it ain't twice the bike a Prime is. The rational man stays on his rock solid alloy Banshee and shreds alongside his 2x priced carbon vunderbike buddies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    A 180-181cm rider here on a large with a 50mm stem. At over 6'2" I gotta think XL for ya bud.
    Thanks, Lithified - this is what I suspected yet feared hearing...

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    It's hard to fault this thing. Rode probably my favorite loop in my area yesterday (Spencer Gap to Trace Ridge, Pisgah) and it was after ~4hrs of trail work. Exhausted and tired, but was just still beaming on this Prime. Rides so good. Bikes rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    Now to get some 27.5plus tires,
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    Wicked looking bike there Dave Mac. How does it ride on the plus tyres compared to 29"? I've always considered it would be a bit ponderous and dull witted based on an early ride of plus ages ago.

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    Still feeling it..

    Took my Banshee Prime to a new destination yesterday. Harcourt in VIC, Australia is a great mix of flow trails, tech climbing and descents. Rock gardens and everything in between.

    The Prime was superb. Had me launching doubles first time around and got up all the climbs when I had the skills / legs.

    No regrets on this bike at all.. I'm tempted to out some carbon wheels on but am reminded that I'd just spend forever worrying about them. This bike you just ride until you can't ride anymore. It's just super fun.

    I've a mate getting a Ripmo in XL so will look forward to comparing them. 2x the price at decidedly less than 2x the bike I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Wicked looking bike there Dave Mac. How does it ride on the plus tyres compared to 29"? I've always considered it would be a bit ponderous and dull witted based on an early ride of plus ages ago.

    Thanks Jon the plus wheels get here this coming week they are I9 360 I will let you know how they do, I should have some time on them next weekend if all goes as planned.

    I will tell you that I got this bike originally to put a middrive electric motor on it because of the bottom bracket being threaded. But since I have been riding it stock it is such a joy I am going to leave it alone.

    I have never enjoyed mountain biking so much as riding this bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicwsb View Post
    What size rotors do you run? The brakes that come with the bike are very similar to the slx's. I think a 203 rotor with them would be great. I had Magura MT5's on my last bike and switched them over to this bike. So I do not have much experience with the exact brakes that come with it. You can shoot them a inquiry and see what they offer. Unless you are going full custom I would have to high of hopes, but they may work out a little something. I wouldn't let the brakes alone deter you from the bike, as that is something you can always upgrade in the future.

    The Banshee Prime does not actually feel that heavy for not having an ounce of carbon on it. I haven't weighed it but I would guess 32-33ish pounds. It will for sure be lighter than the process 153. My wife demoed a carbon 153 and it was a tank. They are very heavy bikes.

    I have demoed a Orbea Rallon, Whyte S-150, Pivot Switchblade, Norco Sight, Trek Slash, and Ibis Ripmo (Demoed twice). Most of these were carbon top end spec. I would say from my experience that the Prime is very similar to the Ripmo. Both tied as my favorite bikes I have ridden to date. I initially was set on the Ripmo but there is a long wait for them and it was twice the cost of the Prime. For the similar spec Ripmo it would be twice the cost as the Prime. I can 100% say that it isn't twice as good. I think carbon bikes are nice, but a well built aluminum bike can be very comparable IMO. The Prime has really surprised me with how poppy/playful despite it's longer chainstays. All that to say I am extremely pleased with the bike and think it is not only one of the best deals on the market, but one best all around bikes that is offered right now.

    On my hardtail running slxs with 7/6 f/r, my 08 pitch (bike to be replaced) is the m477 with 8/7. The m477s feel the exact same as the slxs and they could use a touch more power. Should try sintered pass before I write off 2 piston stoppers completely for heavy trail and bike park use...

    Depends on how spendy I'm feeling and what I want for squishy bits... slx build, would swap out brakes and be done... But the charger in the pike off the gx build would be nice as well... Pitty the tires and brakes on that build are off putting..

    Spec aside the process does seem to be a tank by all accounts, abit a tank that pedals decent but still, sounds like the prime does earn a point up over it there....

    Thanks for the input

    Decisions.... hmmm

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    Pretty dang happy on this thing

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    Now seeing this, so not sure if you made up your mind yet or not, but here's some thoughts from a 6'2.25" tall rider with long arms and legs (35.25" inseam). I had the original pre-production Prime in XL with a 474mm Reach, I rode it with a 65mm stem and 780mm bar for 2 years, always had issues with high spin control in corners. Then got a Phantom and went with Large as they increased the Reach to 450mm compared to the Large Prime at 440mm, ended up riding it with a 70mm stem and 780mm bar and found the fit great. Built back up the Prime with a 50mm stem/780mm bar and that lack of good control in high speed corners was gone and slow speed handling was better than ever. So in short, no, if you honestly have flexibility issues, a Large with 60mm stem should do you fine.

    Best advise I can give you is to measure your current cockpit setup, measure where your saddle is relative to the BB, measurement from back of saddle to outside of grip etc and determine your fit, then ask others for some measurements. The only way I would push you to the XL would be if you like to be closer over the BB, I myself like to be quite far back and have to run a setback post to get there, roughly back of saddle down to stay I'm 14" behind the BB with 180mm cranks. Measurement from centre, back of saddle to outside of grip is 35". Also take into account if you're going to be running a longer fork, that will shorten the Reach up a bit as it slackens the angles out.

    Quote Originally Posted by furry_marmot
    I am also seriously considering a Prime from Jenson and would greatly appreciate some advice from existing owners, since I'm worried about the size. I'm currently working in SE Asia and unfortunately there's no way I'll be able to find a model in the correct size for a test-ride.

    I'm about 6' 2.5" with a dodgy back and a fairly upright/hang off the back riding style.
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    I'm also riding the fence regarding the Jenson sale - anyone have feedback riding the Prime compared to the Rune? This would be a great complement to South Mountain riding for when my 29er friends smoke me on the flats. I know this won't be a 100MM whippet, but how much overlap is there between a burly Rune build and the x01 eagle Prime build?

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    quick question high/steep setting raises the BB height is that correct?? help a rookie out

    looking to get my BB as high as possible now that I have the 27.5 plus tires on there, any tips would be greatly appreciated

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    Yep
    +0.3" or 8mm

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    Yep
    +0.3" or 8mm
    thanks sir, I guess next will be 165 cranks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiebruster View Post
    I'm also riding the fence regarding the Jenson sale - anyone have feedback riding the Prime compared to the Rune? This would be a great complement to South Mountain riding for when my 29er friends smoke me on the flats. I know this won't be a 100MM whippet, but how much overlap is there between a burly Rune build and the x01 eagle Prime build?
    Honestly, if you have a Rune - I would think something like an Evil Following would be a better 2nd bike.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Or a Phantom! But yeah, agreed, quite a bit of overlap on Rune/Prime
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    If you already own a Rune, then I'd say no, won't be much difference I'd imagine since they're both made from a similar, if not the same tubeset, much better off looking at a Phantom. Am just speculating on the Rune vs Prime, as I don't own, nor have never ridden a Rune, but I do own a Prime and Phantom and they're VERY different in how the suspension feels - Prime feels like a monster truck, just point and go, Phantom feels more nimble and maybe WRC car, pick your line a bit more carefully, feel the trail more, get more feedback.

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    Thanks for the feedback - i pulled the trigger yesterday. I felt the value was really really good for the x01 build. I'm going to make sure to not bulk up the Prime like my Rune (double down tires, DH duty rims). We'll see when it shows up next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Now seeing this, so not sure if you made up your mind yet or not, but here's some thoughts from a 6'2.25" tall rider with long arms and legs (35.25" inseam). I had the original pre-production Prime in XL with a 474mm Reach, I rode it with a 65mm stem and 780mm bar for 2 years, always had issues with high spin control in corners. Then got a Phantom and went with Large as they increased the Reach to 450mm compared to the Large Prime at 440mm, ended up riding it with a 70mm stem and 780mm bar and found the fit great. Built back up the Prime with a 50mm stem/780mm bar and that lack of good control in high speed corners was gone and slow speed handling was better than ever. So in short, no, if you honestly have flexibility issues, a Large with 60mm stem should do you fine.
    Thank you LyNx, I really appreciate your advice. On my existing (cramped bike), saddle to outside grip is 33", so ~35" sounds ideal. Since you're a similar size to me and comfortable on an older XL with a 50mm stem, I expect I'll be happiest on a newer XL (11mm longer) with a 50mm stem and a 160mm fork. I usually cut my bars down to ~750mm to minimise tree strikes, which may also help to reduce the effective length of the bike. Anyway, I've managed to find a XL in stock for a reasonable (though not Jenson-esque) price...

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    Oh, well if that's how you have the Rune built, then yeah going with some EXO type casings and lighter rims, should really help quite a bit - rotational weight is key. When you get it, curious to hear how the actual suspension compares, as I really think the Prime and Rune are very similar basher type bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiebruster View Post
    Thanks for the feedback - i pulled the trigger yesterday. I felt the value was really really good for the x01 build. I'm going to make sure to not bulk up the Prime like my Rune (double down tires, DH duty rims). We'll see when it shows up next week.
    Hey, no worries man, always glad to help if I can. One thing to note, got my bikes confused, run the Prime with a 40mm stem, not 50mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by furry_marmot View Post
    Thank you LyNx, I really appreciate your advice. On my existing (cramped bike), saddle to outside grip is 33", so ~35" sounds ideal. Since you're a similar size to me and comfortable on an older XL with a 50mm stem, I expect I'll be happiest on a newer XL (11mm longer) with a 50mm stem and a 160mm fork. I usually cut my bars down to ~750mm to minimise tree strikes, which may also help to reduce the effective length of the bike. Anyway, I've managed to find a XL in stock for a reasonable (though not Jenson-esque) price...
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    just ordered 1 hope its as good as you all say it is. Just couldn't miss out on it.

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    I put my order in last week hopefully it'll ship Monday, wanted to put a slightly smaller chainring on the slx build so they had to run it through the que. Hopefully it's here by the end of the week...

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    Got in 32 miles in Pisgah this weekend on this rig. Added a bit of compression to the X2 = golden.

    Had a few guys ask about the Banshee lately. And even one comment about these incredible Jenson deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigso View Post
    just ordered 1 hope its as good as you all say it is. Just couldn't miss out on it.
    Congratulations, your life just got quite a bit better. Looking forward to seeing your ride report.

    I don't want to over sell it but nothing I've ridden has been as satisfying. And I've had more, supposedly better carbon bikes previously. They couldn't touch it.

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    I pick mine up on friday from jensonusa.com they built a burnished black in large for me. Iam happy we have a long weekend. But friday is a long way away right now

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    So my large Red Raw frame has arrived.
    So far I have wheels DT240s on EX511s
    One up 170mm dropper
    Ergon GMA3 grips
    Ergon SMA3 Saddle
    SQLab 30X bars
    Spank spike 35mm stem
    Race face Chester pedals

    On the way are
    XT/ XTR drivetrain
    Magura MT trail brakes with 200/180 discs also on the way
    2.5 Minion DHF and Agressor DD

    Just need to pull the trigger on a fork
    Im thinking a MRP Ribbon Coil and changing out the Monarch to a CC IL Coil

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    So my large Red Raw frame has arrived.
    How're you feeling about the finish? It still puts a smile on my face everytime I see it.
    Good spec choices too, my 170mm One Up post is very impressive but I've only had it a week or so and can't talk to longevity.
    There's no slop or side to side play at all.

    Looking forward to seeing it built up and your ride impressions. :^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    my 170mm One Up post is very impressive but I've only had it a week or so and can't talk to longevity.
    There's no slop or side to side play at all.
    Have had mine since May and all I've touched is taking up a bit of slack in cable after initial stretch. Great post with a rowdy summer on it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    Have had mine since May and all I've touched is taking up a bit of slack in cable after initial stretch. Great post with a rowdy summer on it!

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    Great to hear. I could actually use a 200mm dropper post but 170mm will do fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    How're you feeling about the finish? It still puts a smile on my face everytime I see it.
    Yeah its awesome- my young bloke has got his eye on it even.

    Hope the Magura brakes work out as Ive heard a few mixed reviews so we'll see on that one.
    Good to hear about the dropper as they can be a pain particularly Reverbs

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    Anyone know how narrow of a Q-factor the frame can handle? Figure something like the m9000 with the 158mm Q-factor would whack the chain stays?
    (Prime 17/18 is referred to V-?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Yeah its awesome- my young bloke has got his eye on it even.

    Hope the Magura brakes work out as Ive heard a few mixed reviews so we'll see on that one.
    Good to hear about the dropper as they can be a pain particularly Reverbs
    You'll get folks on the trail commenting on it. Seems most are partial to a raw / lacquered alloy frame. :^)

    I've been fortunate with Reverbs and they have been fine for me. All 4 I've had have been good but understand it's hit and miss for many. Enjoy the build!

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    We recommend a Q factor of 168mm for the Prime... 158 is a very tight fit and may result in clearance issues.
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    My X01 red racer showed up a few days ago. I got it out on a short loop last night for a shakedown. Everything is stock except for changing the ring from a 34 to a 30, swapped out the 3 tooth torch driver for the 6 tooth, and installed 2.4 Bonty XR4 (F) and 2.4 XR3 (R). The nobby nic's that came with the bike were paper thin and i'm probably going to donate them to a shop for one of the high school racing teams.

    My initial sag settings were a bit off. Pedaling up a few hills it felt like the rear end was sinking and it was bouncing alot. Reduced sag to about 25% and slowed down the rebound a few clicks. Now the Prime is starting to come to life. Pedals with authority and sits perfectly in the travel. I hit a few chunky spots - no problems here but I didn't hit anything that I would usually ride on my Rune - yet

    Handling - feels snappier than my Rune. Easy to bunny hop and no problems laying the bike on one side or the other. The XR3 in the rear is fast rolling but doesn't hold a line as well as an Aggressor - it is extremely easy to drift the rear with this tire but its pretty fun. XR4 up front is pretty good - bites harder than it looks like it should. I need to get used to how the 29er carries speed cause I was coming in way too hot on a few corners.

    So far this bike feels like a great compliment to my stable - the Pike, the 28 spoke Industry 9 wheels, and the tire choice is a bit less aggro than what I and my wife are currently running. I'm excited to take this bike on longer rides when the weather cools down.

    Oh yea - the red paint is ridiculously nice - wow.

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    Great to hear you're feeling the Prime already.

    Mine felt like that to begin and then once I'd nailed a few settings it just came alive. Every single ride just has me astounded about it.

    And Banshee certainly know how to put a finish on a bike! Enjoy!

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    25 miles at Dupont State Forest this morning. New stickers, bike is 10% faster!

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    I have been running a 16 prime for almost a couple years now. The bike is a beast. Since Keith is watching this thread I would love to see a long travel prime. I have upped my fork to 160mm from 150mm. My head angle is right around 65 degrees. Not sure how you can run a 140mm fork, the bike is to fast! I have taken mine to whistler for 3 years in a row, and I have had to upgrade (mainly brakes) because of it. I find I run out of travel because the bike just keeps rolling faster. I did a demo on a full carbon Santa Cruz nomad last year on crank it up. I was surprised that my Prime rolled faster. The Nomad just had more squish to push harder longer. I would love to see a prime LT as a 160f/150r with same style as the current prime. Fingers crossed!

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    Yep, I'd love a Prime with 150mm+ travel. Like you I'm running a 160mm fork and the bike is excellent but I certainly would welcome more travel if the pedalling manners were there too.

    I'm not complaining about the Prime in its current form though. It's an exceptional bike!

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    Not mine but bike of the day

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    *taking notes*

    As Always I love to hear rider feedback to help me make what your next dream bike. I'll put this on my to look into list!
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    Adding a 150mm 29er to the lineup would be amazing!

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    If you bumped the travel to 150 and added a bottle cage, Iíd come back to the fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    If you bumped the travel to 150 and added a bottle cage, Iíd come back to the fold.
    Bottle cage inside the triangle would be a huge plus, but I can live with it underneath the downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris705 View Post
    but I can live with it underneath the downtube.
    Especially if it ends up looking like the 2019 Yetis

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    *taking notes*

    As Always I love to hear rider feedback to help me make what your next dream bike. I'll put this on my to look into list!
    Here is my 2 cents. I'm at the point where I'm finding I want just a little more from my prime. I keep ending up on steeper/faster trails. Going to 160mm helped on the steeper trails, but I could start to feel the compromise (bar/BB height, a little more wheel flop). If I could have a banshee 29er designed around a 160mm fork (65-64HA)with a little more squish in the rear say 150mm or more, it would retain the great characteristics of the KS suspension. Banshees are like the swiss army knives of the mtn bike world. Guys can still run their non boost stuff and carry it over to the new frame, or switch to the new boost standards if they choose. My 16 with a CCDB air is not light, but I don't care it climbs well, and the frame is burley enough to take the abuse! Leave the prime as a mid travel 29er, and give us a LT 29er.It could be a 29er "Rune", or call it a "Wraith (Scottish word I believe)." Keep the long chainstays, add a little more length to front so can run really short stem, little steeper seat tube angle. Lastly offer it in raw with blue stickers, and it would be an impulse buy. Rant over!

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    All of that, especially the long chainstays, and keep the stack high / reasonable (1.93m rider here) but Raw and Red please. I love that finish.
    Ok, maybe as a compromise something other than red / blue tint... But still with a raw element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottitus View Post
    ...Leave the prime as a mid travel 29er, and give us a LT 29er....
    Completely agree with this.

    And to the water bottle, I've been harping on this for a while but I don't think Banshee thinks it's worth the re-engineering hassle. They're smarter than me on the business, so I won't be a jerk about it, haha. But I will say my next frame....while Banshee is def on the list, it's not 100%, and the water bottle is the linchpin for me. Riding in the hot southeast, that'd be soooooo nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Especially if it ends up looking like the 2019 Yetis
    Seems I'm not the only one that doesn't like how some companies are extending the bottom bracket to give the bike a little ponch. Yeti has ruined the aesthetics of the sb150. They kept the sb100 looking good though. I would still ride a bike that fits a bottle above the downtube as long as it ticked all the other boxes for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rclugnut View Post
    The slx build seriously has my eye with the price point it's at right now... My only concern is brakes, I run slxs currently and they feel a little undergunned for what it sounds like the prime can dish out.... Think this is something they would be open to swap out based on your experience?

    I'm guessing these weigh in around 33-34? Torn between this and a Kona process 153 in 29 as well....
    Just got the large slx and it was 33lbs out of the box. (32.99)
    Removed tubes, 236g (ea) so basically about 32lb stock before adding pedals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turd View Post
    Just got the large slx and it was 33lbs out of the box. (32.99)
    Removed tubes, 236g (ea) so basically about 32lb stock before adding pedals.
    Just got mine today as well! Their sheet says 33, so far looks sweet, but my reverb lever is frozen solid :'( going to give them a ring..

    Edit: NVM 30 seconds of googling figured it out, sounds like the hose was kinked. Pulled out the post shimmied the cable around and it worked a treat.

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    Here's mine in almost its current trim. Only changes are:
    Rear tyre is now 2.4" Ardent
    Dropper is now a 170mm One Up components.

    To say I love this bike is an understatement. It's such good fun everywhere and handles everything I want a bike to.
    Great climbing manners, excellent descending and it jumps like a champ too!

    The finish on the bike is beautiful and despite owning a top spec (for that model) carbon bike with carbon wheels and other trick bits on it, this aluminium bike wins every single time in the battle for "what bike am I riding this weekend".

    I took it to a reasonably new trail (Opened in March this year) called Harcourt which is an excellent blend of flow trails, chunkier climbs and descending as well as superb doubles and tabletops. The Prime was all killer, no filler the entire day.2018+ Banshee Prime thread-20180714_112506.jpg

    This picture is from a local run and I'll upload more when I get a moment.
    @builttoride, you've made one heck of a bike here with the Prime.

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    Lysty,
    Your not doing Cressy this weekend are you?

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    Lysterfield of dreams...
    No Cressy for me this weekend. I missed out and it's all sold out. I bet it's a great weekend. You doing it?

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    Does anyone know if the 2.5 aggresor fits without issue I have 148x12 boost so thinking is it should but wanted to see your opinions. Thanks

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    I would assume it will fit fine. I have a fatty 2.4 bontrager tire on the back with plenty of room. It's fatter than my 2.5 aggressor by a decent margin.

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    I have 2.8 on mine and the fit although it is 27..5

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    The stock e13s that came on mine look fatter than a 2.5 minion. Haven't put them side by side yet, but I wouldn't worry about it.

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    Cool thanks for the quick replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Lysterfield of dreams...
    No Cressy for me this weekend. I missed out and it's all sold out. I bet it's a great weekend. You doing it?
    Yeah Im in with my 2 sons.
    My Lyrik RC arrives today so will debut the Prime tomorrow!


    Hey you on rotorburn as the Reverend right?

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    What I would love to see on a new 29er:

    At least a 520mm Seat Tube for us tall people
    Steep Seat Angle
    Slack Head Angle
    Fits at least 2.6 tires
    Not too low of a BB
    Water bottle inside the frame
    A bit longer travel 150 rear 160/170 front
    And super candy apple red with sparkles...or a black with red sparkles in it...hah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigso View Post
    Does anyone know if the 2.5 aggresor fits without issue I have 148x12 boost so thinking is it should but wanted to see your opinions. Thanks
    Been running this exact rear tire and boost for ~6 months. Mounted to a Flow MK3. No rubs. All good.

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    Got out on my prime tonight for the first time, jenson SLX build, only changes are a 30t ring and mounted up the tires tubeless. Gotta say, a sandy, xcish place was not this bikes jam... The tires are draggy and don't carry speed well... That being said, point this down hill and damn. It starts to really wake up, going to some proper trails tomorrow to let it loose. So far this is exactly what i was looking for, a 29er that can do it all, but still party hard going down. Only complaints, jenson didn't send along valve stems and volume spacers...


    Edit: talked to Jenson, they should have included valve stems. Volume spacers are extra. For the slx build I have you can only get them for the 34, the monarch rc3 plus w.o debonair can't run them.
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    Same, I can let the volume spacers pass but no valves is lame. What did you get in the new bike day box? Surprised no derailleur hanger.
    (More of a seller dig, not bitching at banshee)
    Does Banshee use a bend and bend back design or is the hanger a snap and "save" derailleur type?
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    My Prime

    My fork turned up today so Tadaaaa

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    How is the coil out back? I have an marzochhi tst r that was great on my pitch. It would fit but idk if the weight over the monarch rc3 is worth it.

    New bike day box was a little disappointing. Got bits from Shimano to shorten brakes (I think, at least hose clamp blocks) remove the shift indicator. Quick links (if the box is true) Some stickers.... Paperwork... Ill go through it tonight properly.

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    I'm looking to replace my '16 Niner RIP 9 with a '17-'18 Prime and have a few questions for you experienced guys:

    I have over 5k miles on my 9er and I have never once touched the shock's lock out lever, because it pedals that good. I routinely ride 14-21 mile ride in the SoCal high desert, and pedal up everything that I ride down....... Just looking for input on how good the Prime pedals on everyday single track.

    Also, now that some of you guys have lots of miles on your frames, have any of you fought annoying creaks or any other weird noises or issues that you traced back to the suspension pivots/bearings?

    Is the only difference between the '17 and '18 the piggy back Rockshox of the '18 vs the Fox non piggy back of the '17 or were there other changes I should know about?

    Thanks!

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    I forgot to hit the lockout going up yesterday, wasn't bad, wasn't great... Firmed it up, was much better. Twas just my first ride, so time will tell but those are my thoughts...

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    I'm running 25% sag and no need for the climb switch. I cannot attest to the Prime as I've only had mine for a week or so, but all of my other Banshees have been great as far as creaks are concerned. When the bike gets a little janky, strip it down and put it back together with grease and a torque wrench. Feels like a brand new frame each and every time.

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    Climbswitch....I use it all the time because I'm a knuckle dragging mouth breather and need all the help I can go in up. But it's not that noticeable truth be told.

    I've been on banshees since 2015 and no creaks that seem Banshee specific. I've done bearings once a year and pull/clean/lube pivot axles twice a year after not doing it my first year and seizing stuff...that sucked. I live and ride in the humid and wet NC mtns.

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    I have a creek thats driving me nuts, its in my head set maybe, but I have had the whole thing removed and greased and it is way better but still there, I have herd cane head spacers cause creeks so I will replace them next and see what happens. The creek only happens on hard impact

    BUt I can not say enough good things about the bike the bike especially the way it climbs WOW I have never had so much joy in riding a mountain bike ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    Climbswitch....I use it all the time because I'm a knuckle dragging mouth breather and need all the help I can go in up. But it's not that noticeable truth be told.

    I've been on banshees since 2015 and no creaks that seem Banshee specific. I've done bearings once a year and pull/clean/lube pivot axles twice a year after not doing it my first year and seizing stuff...that sucked. I live and ride in the humid and wet NC mtns.

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    Same here, live and ride in western NC and have been on my prime for just over a year with the bearings replaced once. No creaks in the frame just the creaky CSU on my fork-hopefully soon to be warrantied.

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    I had an original, round tubes, RIP9 and have a pre-production Prime so that's my comparison, along with a few quick pedals about on newer CVA Niners and I would say that the Banshee KS Link out performs the CVA IMHO. Point the Prime down and it's not even a close league compared to a <'15 RIP9, much more confidence inspiring and stable, still very nimble, this is setup with only a 140mm fork.
    Never had any strange creaks from either of my FS Banshee's that were not from a part bolted onto the frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    I'm looking to replace my '16 Niner RIP 9 with a '17-'18 Prime and have a few questions for you experienced guys:

    I have over 5k miles on my 9er and I have never once touched the shock's lock out lever, because it pedals that good. I routinely ride 14-21 mile ride in the SoCal high desert, and pedal up everything that I ride down....... Just looking for input on how good the Prime pedals on everyday single track.

    Also, now that some of you guys have lots of miles on your frames, have any of you fought annoying creaks or any other weird noises or issues that you traced back to the suspension pivots/bearings?

    Is the only difference between the '17 and '18 the piggy back Rockshox of the '18 vs the Fox non piggy back of the '17 or were there other changes I should know about?

    Thanks!
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    Ride#3 today on mine... Pinched the e13 tires right through, one cut by a knob, the other right about the sidewall. Also dented the e13 rim... Was running 25psi, front and back, was not riding hard by any standard. Pretty disappointed in the tires and rims having failed so easily... This isn't my first rock strike nor my hardestand I have never dented a sidewall.

    I have a high roller2 on there now, was able to get it to seat up, had to use a bit of tube to seal near the dent though. Taking it to a bike park tomorrow to put it through it's paces.

    With respect to what's in the Jenson new bike day box, it's stickers, Shimano bleed block, hose clamp, and some cable/housing ends. Jenson did say they should have included the valve stems so that's good to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rclugnut View Post
    Ride#3 today on mine... Pinched the e13 tires right through, one cut by a knob, the other right about the sidewall. Also dented the e13 rim... Was running 25psi, front and back, was not riding hard by any standard. Pretty disappointed in the tires and rims having failed so easily... This isn't my first rock strike nor my hardestand I have never dented a sidewall.

    I have a high roller2 on there now, was able to get it to seat up, had to use a bit of tube to seal near the dent though. Taking it to a bike park tomorrow to put it through it's paces.

    With respect to what's in the Jenson new bike day box, it's stickers, Shimano bleed block, hose clamp, and some cable/housing ends. Jenson did say they should have included the valve stems so that's good to hear.
    It's obviously not bike specific and I don't know where you ride (eg is it rocky?) but I was going through tires and about 12mos ago I went to Cush Core and it's been a complete game changer. So sold. Haven't flatted or dented or sliced or nuddin....just ride.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    It's obviously not bike specific and I don't know where you ride (eg is it rocky?) but I was going through tires and about 12mos ago I went to Cush Core and it's been a complete game changer. So sold. Haven't flatted or dented or sliced or nuddin....just ride.....

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    This was a trail was rocky, hard and sharp area, i'm not sure how bad this exact one was, i didn't inspect it. It wasn't a hard hit like i said, was surprised i hit the rim in the first place, didn't feel nearly hard enough to dent it and cut the tire but what do i know...

    I'm thinking about cush core or similar after this. Part of the reason I'm on a new bike and the appeal of this build was the bigger heavier duty tires. I've been fighting flats on my old clapped out 26er all summer, ghetto tubeless didn't play well with the rim, could burp easily... It was bad. long story short it's on the list for sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    Yeah Im in with my 2 sons.
    My Lyrik RC arrives today so will debut the Prime tomorrow!


    Hey you on rotorburn as the Reverend right?
    How did you get on? A mate of mine went and said it was superb but a few too many incidents / Ambulances getting called up. :^(

    And yes, well spotted. That's me on Rotorburn.

    Looking forward to hearing how you felt on the Prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    My fork turned up today so Tadaaaa

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    My Prime was new in May. I've ridden it hard and consistently since then and only had a couple of creaks which were down to me on BB tightness and pivots as I checked the entire frame before building it.

    I checked the bearings this weekend and they're all good. Only two needed a clean and repack and I was being very particular. It certainly didn't feel like they needed love but I'd rather check often and be sure.

    I'm running approx 30% sag with an X2 shock and never bother with the climb switch. It just doesn't need it.

    Hope that helps..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    How did you get on? A mate of mine went and said it was superb but a few too many incidents / Ambulances getting called up. :^(

    And yes, well spotted. That's me on Rotorburn.

    Looking forward to hearing how you felt on the Prime.
    Awesome weekend at the Youies.
    Yeah one of my sons mates went home in an Ambulance on Saturday- turned out to "only" be a broken pelvis at first they were thinking femur too.
    I stuufed my race run but was happy with the weekend and the Bike.
    Still have to play with the suspension more and getting used to getting back on 29er wheels but stoked on the bike.

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    Sorry to hear that. YY I feel always wants payment in blood, flesh or bike. Seldom have I gone without scraping something. Hopefully your young bloke's mate heals up without any issues and quickly.

    The Prime is pretty special. I went off a drop this weekend which I normally have the dropper post all the way down on and for some reason I'd not dropped it so had more weight than normal on the front. The bike was so solid and reliable. Prime + Lyrik + stout wheels for the win.

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    The specs of this bike give BB height rather than BB drop, without specifying what tyres that's running. Does anyone know what the BB drop works out to with the Banshee quoted specs (551ac fork)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Bone View Post
    I'm looking to replace my '16 Niner RIP 9 with a '17-'18 Prime and have a few questions for you experienced guys:

    I have over 5k miles on my 9er and I have never once touched the shock's lock out lever, because it pedals that good. I routinely ride 14-21 mile ride in the SoCal high desert, and pedal up everything that I ride down....... Just looking for input on how good the Prime pedals on everyday single track.

    Also, now that some of you guys have lots of miles on your frames, have any of you fought annoying creaks or any other weird noises or issues that you traced back to the suspension pivots/bearings?

    Is the only difference between the '17 and '18 the piggy back Rockshox of the '18 vs the Fox non piggy back of the '17 or were there other changes I should know about?

    Thanks!
    I've got a 2013 Production frame, and a 2016 production frame (wanted to have a backup). IMO the Prime is a very efficient pedaling bike. Riding in TX, I absolutely never touch the climb switch. That includes riding on the road to get to the trailhead.

    I did flip the switch when riding in BC. I was gassed, sitting and grinding my granny gear up a steep paved road to get to the trailhead, and the bike started bobbing along with my pedal strokes. Kind of surprised me and I did flip the lever.

    It pedals over chunk quite well, but with the high anti-squat there can be a bit of resistance pedaling over rocks compared to DW link bikes I've ridden. But the DW bikes bob for me on flat trails with an open shock, so I still prefer KS.

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    My experience with my 16 prime regarding climbing is it climbs well, but it depends on how you set it up. I use my climb switch for steep road climbs. It makes a difference. I flip it back open for steep technical climbs. Iíve changed parts over time to match my riding and it changes how the bike rides. I started with a 150mm dvo diamond. Last service I upped it to 160mm. I started with a HV can on my ccdb air, and had to go to standard can with 3 large spacers. The prime is quite adaptable. I will say I have pushed this frame as hard as I can and have not noticed any lateral flex like Iíve felt on other bikes. It still impresses me!

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    whats everyone running sag numbers at?

    I am about 180 geared up and and 25% seems to be very good, but the odd thing is that it takes 255 psi to get that sag with a Rock Shox RC3 solo air.

    Just wondering whear everyone else is

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    While talking about sag, I want to once again take the opportunity to point out the difference between sag marked on rockshox shocks, and actual sag in the suspension linkage. Beware that the sag marks on the shock can be misleading.

    For the prime I recommend running 14.0-15.5mm of shock compression at sag which equates to 28-30%. That is what I find works best personally.
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    thanks you sir

    your bike has brought back passion for riding again that I thought I would never regain what a joy it is to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    thanks you sir

    your bike has brought back passion for riding again that I thought I would never regain what a joy it is to ride.
    That's the best thing I have heard all year! I'm really happy to hear this! Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    thanks you sir

    your bike has brought back passion for riding again that I thought I would never regain what a joy it is to ride.
    I couldn't put it better. It's a spectacular bike especially where it counts: the ride. Every time I see carbon "wunderbikes" with a little lust I just remind myself how well the Prime rides.

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    Dave

    Iím 160lbs (naked) and set sag at about 28% on the shock indicator, Iíll need to check with caliper to know what the real number is. PSI is 150, but the gauge could be off for all I know. O-Ring shows Iím hitting about 90% travel at end of ride. Probably bottom it out if I was ridding park stuff. Bikes new, for the most part has only seen chunky, slower speed backcountry type of terrain so far.

    Coming of a hardtail and I guess, I have a front heavy riding style. I need to stop light stepping around and move back to be more centered and let the rear do more of the work.

    Trash can the E13 rear tire and you can climb for days on this bike. Iím more impressed with the climbing then the down on the Prime, but thatís mostly me needing to adjust-n-trust and let it roll.
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    Good info T thanks for the chart also, yes I have been playing with the sag and am amazed at the difference it makes, I had it set way way low with out realizing it.

    I to am amazed at the climbing of this bike, I go out of my way to climb stuff I never wood of before

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    derailleur hanger: I donít have a problem but does anyone have info on if itís more of a bend back material design or a brittle cast part that usually likes to snap if you smash it or try to bend back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turd View Post

    Trash can the E13 rear tire and you can climb for days on this bike. Iím more impressed with the climbing then the down on the Prime, but thatís mostly me needing to adjust-n-trust and let it roll.
    Im coming around to saying trashing the whole wheelset that came on the slx Jenson build. Destroyed a rim on small to medium jump. This is after putting two dents in the rim previously. Neither of which I was expecting but there ya go. Took out of the e13 tires in the process.

    Was thinking cush core... May end up relaxing with some fresh hoops...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turd View Post
    derailleur hanger: I donít have a problem but does anyone have info on if itís more of a bend back material design or a brittle cast part that usually likes to snap if you smash it or try to bend back?

    Thanks
    my bike shop told me mine was bent when it was not shifting proper and they said they bent it back been working great ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    my bike shop told me mine was bent when it was not shifting proper and they said they bent it back been working great ever since.
    Thanks, good to know it can be nudged back if needed. Typically, you can bend back most hangers within reason.
    (Asking because I have a cheaper Direct fatbike with a hanger that is more likely to snap then bend, need to carry an extra)
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    I've been eyeing the Prime since it was born. I think I got my Riot sold so I grabbed one of the two remaining raw XL frames at Jenson. Smoking deal and I'm anxious to get it built and rolling. This bike is technically for my son but he is growing like a weed and likely to overtake my height in a year or two so I get to buy a bike for him and ride it too! Pumped...

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    Holy crap. This frame is solid. I can't get the rear triangle to flex by hand one bit no matter where I grab and push. On the Riot I could grab the seat tube and push the shock mount on the rear triangle side to side with one thumb. The Prime is a man's machine.

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    The word you're looking for in TANK They're tough and stiff and oh so much fun, wait till you actually get to get in a ride on it

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    Holy crap. This frame is solid. I can't get the rear triangle to flex by hand one bit no matter where I grab and push. On the Riot I could grab the seat tube and push the shock mount on the rear triangle side to side with one thumb. The Prime is a man's machine.

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    Yep it's a tank, but it climbs so very well. Even with the fork at 160mm. My love affair with the Prime continues.

    Get excited when it's all done and built up. Good times ahead!

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    Chiming in since I've put almost 200 miles on my Prime.

    My other bike is a '17 Rune with CC Double Barrel Air, Fox 36 with grip 2, double down tires, TRP Quadiem Gspec brakes - this bike is built for crushing any and everything in my way. It pedals OK - tires are really the weakest link here.

    XO1 Prime from Jenson - pretty much stock except grips and tires. I am using the Bontrager XR4 up front and XR3 out back (both are 2.4). I wanted this bike to be a better all day bike - not so much focused on descending prowess. To that point - the bike is still very good when pointed down. Pedaling is certainly a cut above the Rune. I did 2500 ft of climbing in Flagstaff last Friday - it was honestly not a challenge. Effort was involved - but I didn't need to take any breaks going up a decent sized fire road. The Prime just kept plugging along (thanks Eagle). The DH was mainly fast flowy single track - too much fun.

    Now I'm eyeing a Push ACS3 170 spring for my Rune. No need to hold back now that I have the Prime in the stable.

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    [QUOTE=XO1 Prime from Jenson - pretty much stock except grips and tires. I am using the Bontrager XR4 up front and XR3 out back (both are 2.4). I wanted this bike to be a better all day bike - not so much focused on descending prowess. To that point - the bike is still very good when pointed down. Pedaling is certainly a cut above the Rune. I did 2500 ft of climbing in Flagstaff last Friday - it was honestly not a challenge. Effort was involved - but I didn't need to take any breaks going up a decent sized fire road. The Prime just kept plugging along (thanks Eagle). The DH was mainly fast flowy single track - too much fun[/QUOTE]

    Almost did that tire combo on my SLX Prime from Jenson. Changed my mind in the shop and went 2.6 XR2/XR4. E13 tire was like riding on a rug with Velcro tires.
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    I've been on my 2018 orange Prime for about 2 months now and I'm constantly surprised at how well it handles everything I throw at it. This is truly a do-it-all bike that makes me want to ride as much as possible.

    One thing I need to mention is that the low/high dropout positions really make a decernable difference with this bike, IMO. Both settings are very useful. I first tried it in the high D/O position then tried the low. I actually prefer the high setting now for normal trail riding as it get the seat angle in a slightly more comfortable place for seated pedaling. On paper it's only .5 degrees difference but the body position feels much more centered over the bike for pedaling on the trail. I also notice the bike feels a tad snappier in tight corners in the higher setting. The awesome thing is that the high setting doesn't make the bike feel tall since the BB height is still relatively low at 13.5. It really does feel like the Swiss Army knife of bikes! Love being able to dial it in to suit the terrain I'm riding.
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    Man I love that orange/ yellow combo. Ever since the 2018 colorways came out I have been tossing orange vs black around in my head. I probably would have gone orange. However, when I saw that price on the frame at Jenson and noticed that it was a raw/ black combo, I have to admit...I nearly peed myself. Ever since I owned a Manitou FS frame back in the day I've been a sucker for naked aluminum bikes. Yummy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Man I love that orange/ yellow combo. Ever since the 2018 colorways came out I have been tossing orange vs black around in my head. I probably would have gone orange. However, when I saw that price on the frame at Jenson and noticed that it was a raw/ black combo, I have to admit...I nearly peed myself. Ever since I owned a Manitou FS frame back in the day I've been a sucker for naked aluminum bikes. Yummy.
    I did the same thing with the raw/back when I stumbled across them... And to think for this new bike i was all "i'm going to get the bright flashy one... I have too much black..." Welp that didn't happen.. couldn't dig the red. But that orange is hotttt....

    With respect to High/Low setting... I rode it stock/high for 3 days, put in low as I was going to the bike park.. Haven't looked back, also didn't feel a huge difference but again I was very new to the bike... May have to steepen it up in the spring..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    I've been on my 2018 orange Prime for about 2 months now and I'm constantly surprised at how well it handles everything I throw at it. This is truly a do-it-all bike that makes me want to ride as much as possible..
    Exactly this. Ride it until you hear your name called for dinner! :^)

    Beautiful colour and bike you have received there. Someone mentioned a Candy Apple Red which, after Raw, would be stunning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by titusquasi View Post
    Man I love that orange/ yellow combo. Ever since the 2018 colorways came out I have been tossing orange vs black around in my head. I probably would have gone orange. However, when I saw that price on the frame at Jenson and noticed that it was a raw/ black combo, I have to admit...I nearly peed myself. Ever since I owned a Manitou FS frame back in the day I've been a sucker for naked aluminum bikes. Yummy.
    I hear you. The prices at Jenson right now are INSANELY good on Primes. The raw/black looks amazing. Such an underrated bike!

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    Iím hoping that with the popularity of the Raw finish Keith will add that as a standard option to the line up.


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    Just seen the blue and yellow finish on IG as the limited edition. That looks the business too. It's a rich deep inky blue.

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    the raw really is a beauty,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
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    Yaaaaaaaaaasssss! That is perfect.

    At this rate I might have mine built by Thanksgiving.

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    Recently went from my Fox X2 to the stock Monarch Plus RC3. Loving this Monarch, odd as that may sound. It's smooth.

    Winter plans include some Fox 36 loving. Going to drop it to 150mm and a Luftkappe. I think this bike in low with a 150mm will be perfect. A bit too floppy for me now and don't want to go to high setting since I love me some low BB's now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
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    Looking good there Dave Mac. Got to live the raw finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    Recently went from my Fox X2 to the stock Monarch Plus RC3. Loving this Monarch, odd as that may sound. It's smooth.

    Winter plans include some Fox 36 loving. Going to drop it to 150mm and a Luftkappe. I think this bike in low with a 150mm will be perfect. A bit too floppy for me now and don't want to go to high setting since I love me some low BB's now....

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    It's interesting you say that. Only yesterday I put the stock RS Monarch Plus on and noticed the same thing. I didn't ride it but just bounced around on it in the garage.

    Once I'd replaced the bushing on the X2 eyelet I put the X2 back on.

    I'm in agreement with you on 160mm at the front too. I like it generally and she climbs so very well but I feel 150f / 135r I'd more balanced and better for overall trail riding. There's a 150mm airshaft sat in the parts box waiting to be used next lowers service.

    I'm interested in what you think of the result once you've completed it.

    Planning on running some 2.6" or 2.8" tyres on 27.5 wheels shortly so will put the bike back in high position to avoid pedal strikes.

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    Does anybody had some time riding his Prime with new cane creek IL shock?
    Is it more reliable than previous version?
    How compares with monarch plusDA, if you switched it?
    thanks

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    Still feeling it...

    I took the Banshee Prime out to Harcourt VIC again for its second outing. It was just as good as the first. The bike handles everything beautifully and the only limiting factor is the pilot!

    Currently set at 135mm(r) and 160mm (f)
    I'm about to play with the bike given its versatility.

    Off come the 29" wheels and 160mm air shaft.
    Replaced by Hope 35mm internal width 27.5" wheels. Running 2.6 tyres (might be a touch too low). I have seen that 2.8" are only 1mm taller than 2.6" and obviously this varies brand to brand.

    I'm going to put the Lyrik fork at 150mm and bring the rear up to the high setting which should offset some of the lost height.

    Here's how it currently looks.
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    Holy shit, that's a lot of changes, by going from the slack to high and then lowering the fork 10mm, you're going to be steepening the angles about 1 degree and then with the B+ tyres, you'll probably drop the BB about 1.5cm even with going to the high setting. I'm thinking that if you ride a lot of chunk where you need to pedal, you're going to either be doing a lot of pedal timing/ratcheting and/or smashing your pedals a lot.

    I put 2.8" B+ Nobby Nics on my Prime once, was good and fun playing Hulk smash on our chunkiest trails, but almost didn't require paying attention, just dumbed it all down, way too much, but then again, I'm a guy who likes to ride technical trails slowly picking my lines and clearing obstacles instead of using speed and flying/hoping over all the fun stuff - e.g. love riding my rigid Unit on our most technical trails, such a challenge and gives such a feeling of accomplishment when you're not that far behind the guys on FS and in the bigger, slow speed stuff, where you can't use momentum and the suspension, they're holding you up.

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    I took the Banshee Prime out to Harcourt VIC again for its second outing. It was just as good as the first. The bike handles everything beautifully and the only limiting factor is the pilot!
    Currently set at 135mm(r) and 160mm (f) I'm about to play with the bike given its versatility.

    Off come the 29" wheels and 160mm air shaft. Replaced by Hope 35mm internal width 27.5" wheels. Running 2.6 tyres (might be a touch too low). I have seen that 2.8" are only 1mm taller than 2.6" and obviously this varies brand to brand. I'm going to put the Lyrik fork at 150mm and bring the rear up to the high setting which should offset some of the lost height.
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    I like where you're going with your Prime. My Phantom is very similar, being 140mm travel up front and running 27.5x2.8, also in the High position.

    I would suggest you try the bike at 27.5x2.6 and in the High setting first. Then decide if you really want to drop the fork travel 10mm. I do have a lot more pedal strikes running the 27.5 wheelset.


    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    I took the Banshee Prime out to Harcourt VIC again for its second outing. It was just as good as the first. The bike handles everything beautifully and the only limiting factor is the pilot!

    Currently set at 135mm(r) and 160mm (f)
    I'm about to play with the bike given its versatility.

    Off come the 29" wheels and 160mm air shaft.
    Replaced by Hope 35mm internal width 27.5" wheels. Running 2.6 tyres (might be a touch too low). I have seen that 2.8" are only 1mm taller than 2.6" and obviously this varies brand to brand.

    I'm going to put the Lyrik fork at 150mm and bring the rear up to the high setting which should offset some of the lost height.

    Here's how it currently looks.

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    Most of where I ride isn't all that chunky. I preference flowing trails and absolutely use speed and momentum to generate fun. I don't mind rock garden work but it's not my first choice.

    Like I say, it might be too low and I'll keep the fork at 160mm for the first try as the lowers don't need a service just yet.

    It's just an experiment for the moment. If I don't like it I can put them on my Remedy and stop worrying about the carbon ones..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69tr6r View Post
    I like where you're going with your Prime. My Phantom is very similar, being 140mm travel up front and running 27.5x2.8, also in the High position.

    I would suggest you try the bike at 27.5x2.6 and in the High setting first. Then decide if you really want to drop the fork travel 10mm. I do have a lot more pedal strikes running the 27.5 wheelset.
    Thanks, that's good advice. I'm not sure I want 2.8 as they probably do mute the trail a lot. I like just being able to blast through things on a bike and then other times having to thread a bike along a trail is appealing too.

    With this bike I plan to have 3 options on how to run it.
    Option one: Light trail.
    140mm Fox 34 fork, with 29" carbon wheels, 2.3" tyres in high setting.

    Option two: aggro trail / enduro.
    160mm or 150mm RS Lyrik with 29" aluminium wheels (29mm internal), 2.4" tyres in low setting.

    Option three: Smash / Fun mode.
    160mm RS Lyrik, 35mm wide 27.5" wheels with 2.6" tyres in high setting.

    I've actually enjoyed option one and two and feel that the sweet spot is probably 150mm at 29"x 2.4" tyres.

    Happy to experiment and see what happens.

    I got inspired by a mate with a SCHTLT running 2.8's (even though he probably shouldn't as it's not the OGHT).

    Photos to follow when I get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Thanks, that's good advice. I'm not sure I want 2.8 as they probably do mute the trail a lot. I like just being able to blast through things on a bike and then other times having to thread a bike along a trail is appealing too.

    With this bike I plan to have 3 options on how to run it.
    Option one: Light trail.
    140mm Fox 34 fork, with 29" carbon wheels, 2.3" tyres in high setting.

    Option two: aggro trail / enduro.
    160mm or 150mm RS Lyrik with 29" aluminium wheels (29mm internal), 2.4" tyres in low setting.

    Option three: Smash / Fun mode.
    160mm RS Lyrik, 35mm wide 27.5" wheels with 2.6" tyres in high setting.

    I've actually enjoyed option one and two and feel that the sweet spot is probably 150mm at 29"x 2.4" tyres.

    Happy to experiment and see what happens.

    I got inspired by a mate with a SCHTLT running 2.8's (even though he probably shouldn't as it's not the OGHT).

    Photos to follow when I get it done.
    Very Cool! I do something similar with my Phantom as well. I put on my 29er wheels and drop into the Low setting for the bikepark and rougher riding areas. Such a versatile bike brand!

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    Does anybody had some time riding his Prime with new cane creek IL shock?
    Is it more reliable than previous version?
    How compares with monarch plusDA, if you switched it?
    thanks
    I had the CC Inline (OG version) on mine and really enjoyed it before it died. Good small bump compliance, good support and pedaling performance. I bet the IL is even better since it has a larger negative air spring and more reliable internals. I was tempted have my inline upgraded to the IL but had a DVO Topaz waiting for me to try out. I will be interested in how you like the IL if you go that way.

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    Hi Jon,
    Just wondering how you found your Prime through all the climbing at Harcourt? Especially the techy climbing trails like trail 8?
    I recently snapped my 2018 Trek Fuel Ex 8 and have my eye on a Prime as something to do a better job enduro style riding while not being complete overkill for trail riding (my locals are Lysterfield, which is already pretty bland on a fuel, and Redhill). My mates live for the descents, while I don't mind a longer trail ride (eg. Epic trail @Buller), so I'm hoping to find something that'll do both well.
    Would love you thoughts (and anyone else who wants to chime in haha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.c View Post
    Hi Jon,
    Just wondering how you found your Prime through all the climbing at Harcourt? Especially the techy climbing trails like trail 8?
    I recently snapped my 2018 Trek Fuel Ex 8 and have my eye on a Prime as something to do a better job enduro style riding while not being complete overkill for trail riding (my locals are Lysterfield, which is already pretty bland on a fuel, and Redhill). My mates live for the descents, while I don't mind a longer trail ride (eg. Epic trail @Buller), so I'm hoping to find something that'll do both well.
    Would love you thoughts (and anyone else who wants to chime in haha)
    Hey Michael,
    Happy to reply on this. I had a Trek Fuel EX 9.9 MY15 and loved it but broke it. My trails are exactly the ones you mention and the Prime is a great choice. Frankly speaking I prefer it in every way to my Fuel.

    The techy climbing at Harcourt is testing but I never had any problems due to the bike. I was a little tired towards the end but it climbs like a dream. Super composed and assured, efficient and comfortable.

    It depends on how you set it up. I've gone perhaps a little too far biased to downhill and at 160mm f / 135mm r it still is an excellent ride. Redhill is just obscene fun on it. Deadwould and Fall Line? The Prime just sails through it.

    Tight uphill switchbacks at Harcourt had my mate astounded at how well the Prime handled them.

    And having ridden Buller Epic a couple of times I'd have no hesitation in taking the Banshee, and that's with me owning a lighter, longer travel FS carbon bike that's reasonably tricked out.

    I have precisely no regrets buying this bike and I sound like I'm on the payroll for Banshee but it really is that good.

    Depending on what you want / need it is helped by the X2 I put on it but the Monarch Plus is still very nice.

    Happy to answer any other questions you may have. :^)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Most of where I ride isn't all that chunky. I preference flowing trails and absolutely use speed and momentum to generate fun. I don't mind rock garden work but it's not my first choice.

    Like I say, it might be too low and I'll keep the fork at 160mm for the first try as the lowers don't need a service just yet.

    It's just an experiment for the moment. If I don't like it I can put them on my Remedy and stop worrying about the carbon ones..
    I ride with 27.5 -2.8 had to switch to 165mm cranks and love them much more natural for me in my pedaling, also almost no more pedal strikes (reason I switched)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Hey Michael,
    Happy to reply on this. I had a Trek Fuel EX 9.9 MY15 and loved it but broke it. My trails are exactly the ones you mention and the Prime is a great choice. Frankly speaking I prefer it in every way to my Fuel.

    The techy climbing at Harcourt is testing but I never had any problems due to the bike. I was a little tired towards the end but it climbs like a dream. Super composed and assured, efficient and comfortable.

    It depends on how you set it up. I've gone perhaps a little too far biased to downhill and at 160mm f / 135mm r it still is an excellent ride. Redhill is just obscene fun on it. Deadwould and Fall Line? The Prime just sails through it.

    Tight uphill switchbacks at Harcourt had my mate astounded at how well the Prime handled them.

    And having ridden Buller Epic a couple of times I'd have no hesitation in taking the Banshee, and that's with me owning a lighter, longer travel FS carbon bike that's reasonably tricked out.

    I have precisely no regrets buying this bike and I sound like I'm on the payroll for Banshee but it really is that good.

    Depending on what you want / need it is helped by the X2 I put on it but the Monarch Plus is still very nice.

    Happy to answer any other questions you may have. :^)
    Thanks so much for the super fast reply! That's pretty much what I wanted to hear. If insurance will lete get one I think I'm sold. Just can't decide on setting it to 150 or 160...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    I had the CC Inline (OG version) on mine and really enjoyed it before it died. Good small bump compliance, good support and pedaling performance. I bet the IL is even better since it has a larger negative air spring and more reliable internals. I was tempted have my inline upgraded to the IL but had a DVO Topaz waiting for me to try out. I will be interested in how you like the IL if you go that way.
    Thanks for the reply.
    I knew that CC Inline was a good shock on this frame 'til it worked.
    I'm having good times on my monarch but it is in its fourth year of service and I wonder
    if new CC IL will perform better and how long will last. Found good offer on it.

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    After all the crap that's happened with those shocks and the fact that you HAVE to send it back to the factory to be serviced basically every year, I'd not sink one dime into one, much better off looking at a Manitou McLeod if you're looking to not spend much or something like a DHX2, DVO Topaz or X-Fusion Vector.

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    Thanks for the reply.
    I knew that CC Inline was a good shock on this frame 'til it worked.
    I'm having good times on my monarch but it is in its fourth year of service and I wonder
    if new CC IL will perform better and how long will last. Found good offer on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Hey Michael,
    ...I sound like I'm on the payroll for Banshee but it really is that good.
    LOL, same here man. I just talked a local guy through Banshees via email - and he ended up ordering a Rune. Felt like such a fanboi. But they're just good bikes, so I'll say good things. It's that easy. And another Banshee to see in Pisgah - what's not to like!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    After all the crap that's happened with those shocks and the fact that you HAVE to send it back to the factory to be serviced basically every year, I'd not sink one dime into one, much better off looking at a Manitou McLeod if you're looking to not spend much or something like a DHX2, DVO Topaz or X-Fusion Vector.
    The Inline was a reliability disaster but didn't CC fix most of the issues on the IL version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    LOL, same here man. I just talked a local guy through Banshees via email - and he ended up ordering a Rune. Felt like such a fanboi. But they're just good bikes, so I'll say good things. It's that easy. And another Banshee to see in Pisgah - what's not to like!?
    That's the way of it. For me I'm after capability, reliability and adjustability. It all adds up to that "ride until I can't ride anymore" feeling.

    Everytime I see a Banshee on the trail I call out
    " Thats a nice bike Mr!"

    Even my wife is suggesting I get another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.c View Post
    Thanks so much for the super fast reply! That's pretty much what I wanted to hear. If insurance will lete get one I think I'm sold. Just can't decide on setting it to 150 or 160...
    160mm front is super fun. Descending is just ludicrous and you can be quite indescriminate with line choice if you want. I've also made all the Redhill climbs on it at that setting (in low too) so it won't compromise that aspect.

    Having run 160mm and 140mm I'd say for me the sweet spot is 150mm. I'm able to weight the nose quite well as I'm 6'4" and 200+lbs. Even then I've noticed the feint hint of drifting from the front.
    If you're after a more balanced and precise ride then 140mm to 150mm is the go.

    On my Remedy, which is also at 160mm, the stack is lower and the nose goes where you point it all the time.

    Interestingly a mate of mine just bought a Ripmo (couldn't get him off his 6th element addiction) and he noticed at 160mm front the nose wanders and drifts a touch.

    Have you got a fork in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.c View Post
    Hi Jon,
    Just wondering how you found your Prime through all the climbing at Harcourt? Especially the techy climbing trails like trail 8?
    I recently snapped my 2018 Trek Fuel Ex 8 and have my eye on a Prime as something to do a better job enduro style riding while not being complete overkill for trail riding (my locals are Lysterfield, which is already pretty bland on a fuel, and Redhill). My mates live for the descents, while I don't mind a longer trail ride (eg. Epic trail @Buller), so I'm hoping to find something that'll do both well.
    Would love you thoughts (and anyone else who wants to chime in haha)
    I've taken my Prime to Harcourt also and the limiting factor on Track 8 is me
    Mines in slack setting with a lyric RC2 at 160 and an IL coil

    Ive just got back from a weekend at Lakes Entrance and did Mt Taylor and Colquohoun and took all the climbing and descending in its stride

    Another Banshee Fanboi here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    160mm front is super fun. Descending is just ludicrous and you can be quite indescriminate with line choice if you want. I've also made all the Redhill climbs on it at that setting (in low too) so it won't compromise that aspect.

    Having run 160mm and 140mm I'd say for me the sweet spot is 150mm. I'm able to weight the nose quite well as I'm 6'4" and 200+lbs. Even then I've noticed the feint hint of drifting from the front.
    If you're after a more balanced and precise ride then 140mm to 150mm is the go.

    On my Remedy, which is also at 160mm, the stack is lower and the nose goes where you point it all the time.

    Interestingly a mate of mine just bought a Ripmo (couldn't get him off his 6th element addiction) and he noticed at 160mm front the nose wanders and drifts a touch.

    Have you got a fork in mind?
    I'm hoping to keep the Fox 36 Performance Elite off my Trek. It's currently set at 140mm, but I will bump it up. I hit Banshee up on FB messenger and they also said the sweet spot is 150mm, so sounds like that will probably be the go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    I've taken my Prime to Harcourt also and the limiting factor on Track 8 is me
    Mines in slack setting with a lyric RC2 at 160 and an IL coil

    Ive just got back from a weekend at Lakes Entrance and did Mt Taylor and Colquohoun and took all the climbing and descending in its stride

    Another Banshee Fanboi here!
    Thanks heaps for your thoughts too - always good to get opinions from people who know your local (or sort of local) trails. I don't suppose you've run yours at 150mm too?

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    I have a 150mm spring for the Lyric and wanted a 150mm lyric but could only get 160 at the time .
    By the way red lyric and red raw frame is a perfect color match

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Like Dirt View Post
    I have a 150mm spring for the Lyric and wanted a 150mm lyric but could only get 160 at the time .
    By the way red lyric and red raw frame is a perfect color match
    Cheers for that!

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    Prime 27.5+ experiment

    Hi Banshee lovers.
    I decided to play about with my Prime.
    My stock setting for the moment is 29" wheels with 29mm internal width and 2.4" tyres in the low setting.
    Fork is set at 160mm too.

    It certainly rides exceptionally well like this but I'd like to play about with it.
    It's a versatile bike and I decided to get some Hope 35w Tech wheels which are 27.5 with a 34mm wide internal measurement.

    I was going to run 2.8" tyres but have seen and read some are bigger than others. Additionally, I don't really want oversize tyres to dull the ride so I thought I'd give 2.6" tyres a go.

    This is how it looks running those wheels with 2.6 Bontrager Team Editions.
    They're 2.6" wide (XR4 front and XR2 rear). I am yet to experience what it's like but hopefully it'll be an interesting difference. The fork is still at 160mm and I've put the bike in high position. Tyre clearance is pretty good in the rear for height, width is a little tight so I'm glad not to have run the 2.8"s. I may well change the rears for an XR4 too as I like them balanced.

    Hopefully I get to ride it this weekend and see what it's like. If I don't like it I'll keep the wheels for another build or on my Remedy for when I'm feeling like mashing ups some rock garden goodness.

    It's certainly nice to have something this versatile so you can play around with set ups.

    Top photo is 27.5"+ setting in high


    Bottom one is 29" setting in low

    Thanks for reading!
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    Really? Curious to see a photo of what you call "a little tight", because when 29+ sorta first came out, I managed to fit a true 3" tyre in the back of my Phantom with passable clearance and there's a few guys running their Primes as 29+ using the long drop outs.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones
    Tyre clearance is pretty good in the rear for height, width is a little tight so I'm glad not to have run the 2.8"s.
    FYI, currently have my Prime setup with asym i35s shod with 2.8" Rekon 3C/EXO (measure 2 5/8"/67mm) to help cushion the ride even more because of a damaged thumb. Haven't ridden it yet, as decided to give the thumb another week of rest, but hoping o get out by this weekend and see how it goes. Previously rode it with same wheels and 2.8" Nobby Nics.
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    I ride with 27.5 plus Rekon 2.8 and they are really 2.6 when measured they hook up great except in wet. I will be keeping this set up for some time as it is has been awesome for me. that is one thing that I really like about the prime is its abilty to run so many differnt wheel/tire sizes,,,........get bored with the bike just get a new wheel set or tire size to spruce things up a little is how I look at it, and I am far from bored with the 2.75 plus tires down the road I will try 29-2.6 as I have herd many good reports

    Jon I look forward to your feed back on your set up, one thing that I had to do was put smaller cranks on mine 165mm because the pedal strikes (from 175mm) turns out the 165mm cranks are much more natural for me to pedal and was a huge plus as well. Make sure you put the BB in the high setting,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Really? Curious to see a photo of what you call "a little tight", because when 29+ sorta first came out, I managed to fit a true 3" tyre in the back of my Phantom with passable clearance and there's a few guys running their Primes as 29+ using the long drop outs.

    FYI, currently have my Prime setup with asym i35s shod with 2.8" Rekon 3C/EXO (measure 2 5/8"/67mm) to help cushion the ride even more because of a damaged thumb. Haven't ridden it yet, as decided to give the thumb another week of rest, but hoping o get out by this weekend and see how it goes. Previously rode it with same wheels and 2.8" Nobby Nics.
    I know, it looked a little strange to me. It might be me not looking hard enough. There's no way the tyre will rub. And I expect it's no concern really.

    Sorry to hear about the damaged thumb. I had UCL surgery on mine years ago and that took ages to heal up. Hopefully yours is all set!

    I've got to say the Bontrager tyres are huge and will make a difference to comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mac View Post
    I ride with 27.5 plus Rekon 2.8 and they are really 2.6 when measured they hook up great except in wet. I will be keeping this set up for some time as it is has been awesome for me. that is one thing that I really like about the prime is its abilty to run so many differnt wheel/tire sizes,,,........get bored with the bike just get a new wheel set or tire size to spruce things up a little is how I look at it, and I am far from bored with the 2.75 plus tires down the road I will try 29-2.6 as I have herd many good reports

    Jon I look forward to your feed back on your set up, one thing that I had to do was put smaller cranks on mine 165mm because the pedal strikes (from 175mm) turns out the 165mm cranks are much more natural for me to pedal and was a huge plus as well. Make sure you put the BB in the high setting,
    Thanks Dave Mac.
    I agree about changing set ups. It's a great basis for different rides.

    The 160mm forks are going to help with the BB height along with the high setting.
    I was running 180mm cranks (loved them) and moved to 175mm.

    Fingers crossed for a winning combination and it's good to hear you're enjoying this combination yourself.

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    Ok, it seems I can rest easy on clearances.
    The drive side clearance is 0.25" and NDS is ~0.5".
    The difference is duu to me having an inner tube wrapped around the drive side chain stay.
    At the seat stays it's ~0.4" on either side.

    Like said though, the Bontrager tyres are huge...

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    Thanks man. Not sure exactly what's happened, hand got wrung up and bit separating a dog fight, then I think I then managed to hit the knucle on the thumb and have bruised the bone along with maybe stretched/torn a few ligaments, know it'll be long recovery.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    Sorry to hear about the damaged thumb. I had UCL surgery on mine years ago and that took ages to heal up. Hopefully yours is all set!
    Yeah, Bonti tyres are known to run true to size or seem bigger if you're accustomed to other brands for the size and work well on wider rims than most of the same size. Their lightest casings are damn tough and setup tubelesss so easy, but can't get them for what I can get Maxxis stuff for.
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    First ride with 27.5+ wheels and tyres.
    The first thing I noticed was the change in geo from low to high, it put a little more weight in the nose, as well as making the rear need a little fine tuning.

    It still pedalled amazingly well and I actually found I was in the higher gears more often which might have something to do with the smaller overall circumference.

    I had to drop the tyre pressures to suit but once it lands on the magic setting the grip and comfort is superb. Especially at the moment in Australia it's just dry and dusty, these tyres just grip forever and feel very comfortable.

    I also noticed that the handling sharpened up. On one of my regular descents there are lots of tight switchbacks and it just railled through them.

    Rollover isn't so good but hardly terrible and it therefore feels less of a plough like experience.

    I only got two brushes of pedal / foot strikes and that was very light. I was expecting more and it does mean that I'd probably need to keep the forks at 160mm.

    So far, so good. I'd say I prefer 29" but I've got to give this a fair go before making a decision.
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    Well, you did basically drop an entire wheel size going with the 2.6" vs the 2.8"s, hence less plough feeling and lots sharper slow speed tight handling. Definitely notice an increased "plow factor" with the B+ 2.8"s on mine over regular 29x2.3"s. You would probably be about 1 gear "off" the 29er setup with this setup, so where you would have used the 3rd largest cog before, you were probably in the 4th largest. Surprised you didn't notice more pedal strikes with this setup, maybe you went in with that thought in the back of your mind and were more cognoscente of it and pedal timing. The wider tyres would definitely be a big asset in very dusty, loose, sandy conditions, something I noticed years ago just going from regular XC 2.1" to 2.4"s.

    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones
    I also noticed that the handling sharpened up. On one of my regular descents there are lots of tight switchbacks and it just railled through them.

    Rollover isn't so good but hardly terrible and it therefore feels less of a plough like experience.
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    Hi all,

    Looking for some help on sizing - 187cm - so 6'1.75 in the old. I'm pretty even between legs/torse height, maybe a slightly + ape factor. I THINK the XL is what I need, but not 100% sure, and won't be able to test ride to know for sure.

    Anyone who fits either of the below I'd some a response:

    1) Around my height - how tall are you,what size are you riding and how is it set up?
    2) Riding an XL - how tall are you and how it your cockpit set up?

    I rode an XL Rune today in Rotorua and initially it felt slightly long, but 30 mins in it was fantastic, but it didn't help much size wise though, as the Rune is in between the Prime L and XL size. It felt good with wide bars and a 40mm stem. The NZ rep happened to be in the hire shop at the time and let me take his L Phantom for a lap of the car park - that felt really good size wise, but mostly because it felt the same as the Trek that I snapped, which felt good until I pointed down hill - then it felt a little cramped...

    I'm thinking a XL with either a 30 or 40mm stem should be the go, but really not sure

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    Go for the XL.

    Iīm 182 and riding a large with a 50mm stem. Riding my mates XL with a 35mm stem is still doable and quite fun. Only reason I decided for a large is I had a great offer for a used frame and my cornering technique is really not the best, so I try to get all the benefits in terms of manouvrability. Also I had a 170mm reverb and wasnīt sure if it fits. Today I would go for the XL since the seat tube is still short enough for me to move around with a 150mm variopost.

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    Hi there.
    I'm 1.93m or 6'4" and ride an XL sized Prime.
    35mm stem with 800mm wide bars.
    170mm dropper with about 50mm showing.
    Having a longer stem would make the bike feel too long in my view.

    However, set up like this the bike fits me perfectly and I have long arms and legs. 36" inseam.

    I appreciate it's difficult to get the size right when you're between sizes.

    Reach will depend on your set up including fork travel. I have mine at 160mm which is 20mm over the 140mm the stats are calculated on and therefore will shorten the reach from 480mm to a touch less.

    I believe at almost 6'2" you're in XL country and you'd just have less post showing than me.

    Let me know if you need anything else to help!

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    Hey Michael, Just a smidge taller than you at 6'2.25" tall, definite ape index and I'm on a pre-production XL which has a Reach of 475mm and run a 50mm stem and 780mm bar. I also own a Large 2014 Phantom with a Reach of 450mm and run between a 60-70mm stem and 780 bar. I run both bikes with setback posts because of my long legs, my like of pushing harder gears and not spinning like a hamster and going no where and love of riding "all country", flat, rolling trails, climbing, descending, not just up to go down.

    I got the Prime back in 2012 as part of Banshee's excellent pre-production philosophy of a small batch run of about 60 frames, sold at a discount around the world to riders to get feedback and make final decisions when they make major changes/introduce something new - the KS link was born on the Prime.

    This was my first foray into the world of a bike like this, previously it was always more XC oriented, even on the Paradox I had before I got the Prime I ran a 690 bar/90mm stem until I ordered the parts for the Prime and there was a delay and I tried the 780 bar on the Paradox and moved to a 90mm stem and then 80mm and finally settled on a 70mm (hence why I ended up on the Large Phantom with a Reach 2mm different from the Paradox).

    I initially set the Prime up with a 65mm stem and the 780mm bar because that gave me a cockpit I was more accustomed to and it handled quite well on pretty much everything, except when pointed down and the really fast stuff, there I had issues with the front end pushing I guess would be the best descriptor. I rode the Prime like this until I got the Phantom and then transferred all parts to it and changed to a 70mm stem and it handled well everywhere, up, downs, flats, slow tight, fast twisty.

    After a couple years exclusively on the L Phantom, I had managed to accumulate enough parts to rebuild the Prime and did so, but noting that I had basically been running the L Phantom with the exact same cockpit setup as the Prime sans a bit longer stem and so installed a 50mm stem on it and voila, the handling at speed was gone basically and still the slow speed handling was there and all the rest of the other stuff. I now run it in the slack position with a 50mm stem/780 bar and wouldn't want it any longer cockpit wise.

    So I guess what I'm trying to say is it all depends on how and what you like to ride, if you're someone who does the climbing, just for the downs, then definitely go for the XL with a 35mm stem, if however you like to climb and/or ride on flatter/rolling trails where lots of pedaling is involved, then maybe the Large with 60-70mm stem would better suit you. Also you need to note how old you are and your flexibility, me, I'm not far off 50, haven't taken care to do proper stretching over the years and so, suffer some lower back/leg issues which restrict my flexibility, hence sit a good bit more upright than 10 years ago and this influences my setup.

    Hope some of that rambling helps.

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    Hi all, Looking for some help on sizing - 187cm - so 6'1.75 in the old. I'm pretty even between legs/torse height, maybe a slightly + ape factor. I THINK the XL is what I need, but not 100% sure, and won't be able to test ride to know for sure. Anyone who fits either of the below I'd some a response:
    I'm thinking a XL with either a 30 or 40mm stem should be the go, but really not sure
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    I'm 188cm with 92cm inseam and have a prime xl with a 35mm stem and a spitfire l with a 45mm stem. I like the spitfire the most since it's easier to flick around and jump on and off stuff.
    If you ride really steep terrain the prime does give more confidence (and even more at higher speeds). It's a bit harder to manoeuvre the prime, but i guess the bigger wheels also come into play concerning the manoeuvrability. The prime has a more planted feel, but i'm not sure it's due to the size or wheel difference.

    So it's mostly personal preference and the terrain you ride locally. Can't go "wrong" with either the prime in L or XL in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Well, you did basically drop an entire wheel size going with the 2.6" vs the 2.8"s, hence less plough feeling and lots sharper slow speed tight handling. Definitely notice an increased "plow factor" with the B+ 2.8"s on mine over regular 29x2.3"s. You would probably be about 1 gear "off" the 29er setup with this setup, so where you would have used the 3rd largest cog before, you were probably in the 4th largest. Surprised you didn't notice more pedal strikes with this setup, maybe you went in with that thought in the back of your mind and were more cognoscente of it and pedal timing. The wider tyres would definitely be a big asset in very dusty, loose, sandy conditions, something I noticed years ago just going from regular XC 2.1" to 2.4"s.
    Thanks, and sorry for the slow response. You're quite right. It feels like a different bike and I suspect 2.8" might be closer to the right height and I could just have fun with plow mode.

    I'll try some when I get a momen and after a decent amount of time on the 2.6".

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.c View Post
    Hi all,

    Looking for some help on sizing - 187cm - so 6'1.75 in the old. I'm pretty even between legs/torse height, maybe a slightly + ape factor. I THINK the XL is what I need, but not 100% sure, and won't be able to test ride to know for sure.
    I'm thinking a XL with either a 30 or 40mm stem should be the go, but really not sure
    I would go XL. I'm 6' on a large and it feels perfect with a 45-50mm stem. If I was any taller I would go XL.

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