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    2017 Banshee bikes: News, rumours, speculation etc

    I know it's only halfway through 2016, but I'm getting excited about what's next for Banshee. I've heard for 2017 that the bikes are trimming a bit of weight through some hydroforming of the front triangle, but that's all I know. Does anyone else out there have any info or sneak peeks to get us Banshee fans frothing?

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    No info yet?

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    No info yet?
    No info will be released before Eurobike, so you'll just have to be patient
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    I have info for you:
    2017 Banshee's will continue to kick ass and make all other bikes feel like they have the technical capabilities of a Huffy Sledgehammer.

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    As long as Banshee keeps the great KS-Link, the interchangeable dropouts and the "long-low-slack" geometry I´m fine with everything!

    Hydroforming? If it makes the frames easier to construct (f.e. rear-triangle/tubing instead of gussets), same durable but lighter that would be nice.
    Carbon? Maybe carbon-made links or dropouts could be the entry for Banshee introducing this material through their line-up, without overly raising pricing for the frames ... ?!?

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    Our local NZ mountain bike mag had some info about the 2017 spitfire at least - see pic...
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    "its bigger brother the Banshee Dune"


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    Shorter seat-tube, steeper effective seat angle, slightly lighter - sounds all good for the MY17 Spitfire. I heavily think I´m in for a new frame next year!
    Looking forward to the new dropout-design. I think the "reduced" two-positions are contributed to the majority of riders using neutral or slack ... ?!?

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    Yeah, sounds all good so far. I just hope they added a bit of length to the reach and TT as well, especially considering the steeper SA.

    Agreed on the two geometry positions, doesn't seem like many riders use the steep setting (I know I never have).

    I also hope "Boost compatible" dropouts mean they can be either Boost or non-Boost.

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    I´m pretty much sure that Banshee will keep the philosophy of giving their customers options on how they want to build up their bikes. So, the boost-dropouts will be additional to the already existing ones, I bet ...

    Not sure if there will be a longer effective top tube - the reach and wheelbase will be slightly longer with a steeper seat tube and the current top tube. We will see ...

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    What a nice feature would be is to go postmount on the dropout. Every other decent frame has allready a postmount support so why not do that.

    Also any tweaking of the linkage axles to prevent them from wearing stuff out? Set screws, stronger bolts for more tightness and better locktite would be my best guess of preventing this issue.

    Really interrested to see what the '17 Darkside will do, or if a new model is going to be released. Still shredding the first gen. Scythe but like my first gen. Spitfire the suspension stuff is getting old and out dated (blew the dhx in winterberg last sunday, doh!) If you can shave 200 grams on the spitty you could save 300? on the darkside, wouldn't be bad at all.
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    Well, hoping they don't mess with the STA on the Phantom, it's already too steep for me, have to use a setback post to get the saddle where I like it. Shorter ST lengths (Paradox for sure) and maybe a tad more Reach on all and slacker HTA on the Paradox with Boost or 150 spacing/clearance to accommodate PLUS tyres. Have always said it, love the replaceable drop outs, makes Banshees very future proof without needing to spend a ton of cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Well, hoping they don't mess with the STA on the Phantom, it's already too steep for me, have to use a setback post to get the saddle where I like it. Shorter ST lengths (Paradox for sure) and maybe a tad more Reach on all and slacker HTA on the Paradox with Boost or 150 spacing/clearance to accommodate PLUS tyres. Have always said it, love the replaceable drop outs, makes Banshees very future proof without needing to spend a ton of cash.
    Agreed the ST on my Paradox is way longer than it needs to be!
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    As 2017 is near launch and 2018 designs are likely done and dusted, I suppose this comment would likely be for 2019...

    ...I will leave it to those who are much smarter than I on how to best actuate a change, but the handlebar drop from seat level on the Rune is significant. I could be on a size too small (6'2", 36" inseam, on a size Large V2). Even so, with L and XL in general, I think the very small headtube really makes for a significant drop. I currently have 1.5" below the stem to the bearing, a higher rise handlebar, and my seat is easily 5" above my bar.

    Although I really liked the slammed stem on headset look on bikes, when it comes to actually riding one, it doesn't work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason3559 View Post
    As 2017 is near launch and 2018 designs are likely done and dusted, I suppose this comment would likely be for 2019...

    ...I will leave it to those who are much smarter than I on how to best actuate a change, but the handlebar drop from seat level on the Rune is significant. I could be on a size too small (6'2", 36" inseam, on a size Large V2). Even so, with L and XL in general, I think the very small headtube really makes for a significant drop. I currently have 1.5" below the stem to the bearing, a higher rise handlebar, and my seat is easily 5" above my bar.

    Although I really liked the slammed stem on headset look on bikes, when it comes to actually riding one, it doesn't work for me.

    I trail and park ride a L Rune and had 35mm of spacer under the stem with 20mm riser bars. Even on my other XL trail bike which is much longer I have a 30mm of spacers and 20mm bars. For taller guys I almost always see a stack above the headset even on long frames UNLESS they have a retarded long head tube which looks horrible and give you no option to lower the bars.

    I'm hoping mostly the new Rune is longer and isn't a press fit BB
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    Yup, 6'2" here on a 2013 XL Spitfire, with an inch of spacers. I think they can grow the head tubes (on the XL for sure) a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Shorter seat-tube, steeper effective seat angle, slightly lighter - sounds all good for the MY17 Spitfire. I heavily think I´m in for a new frame next year!
    Looking forward to the new dropout-design. I think the "reduced" two-positions are contributed to the majority of riders using neutral or slack ... ?!?
    I agree with everythin you said. 200 grams off the frame will basically kill the "Spitfire is heavy" argument you hear from all the alloy shredders out there.

    Shorter seat-tube would likely let me get away with a 150mm dropper instead of 125mm.

    Metric shock sizing I wonder?

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    I really hope they go metric shocks, just to make it more future proof, this is the only thing holding me back on pre order, lighter weight is bonus for me personally, just as long as they still keep it bomb proof, as i have no intention on moving up to the rune, really itching on getting a new banshee, hope they put out a little teaser as i figured they are probably done with the first batch of production, wink wink,

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    ^^^^ That's a good point about metric. I guess if the shock guys are eventually going that route and that route only. For the foreseeable future I imagine a killer 7.875 shock will be made though. I guess I'm indifferent, probably wouldn't sway me one way or the other.

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    The only available metric shocks at the moment are from SRAM. I'll pass on metric for the time being.
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    i've always liked that Banshee bikes designer have always had the foresight on their design, which makes our bikes less likely to be obsolete to soon, designing towards metric shocks in my opinion is one of them.
    my dream spitfire would be metric shocks and 157x12 compatible rear, hehehe

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    We are keeping a cose eye on Metric, but will not be switching this year, as there is still limited avaliability of shock options for customers, while non metric standards will still be around for years to come.
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    I'm really looking forward to the 2017 models.

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    that new cane creek coil is going to be perfect for the lighter spitfire,
    i heard the new they lengthened all the new frames,
    i feel almost perfect on the small spitifire with 40mm stem and 780 bars,
    i hope it doesn'y get to long for small riders

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    Yeah new Spitfire with the new DBCIL would be awesome...!

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    Lenghten the Prime? It already is long bike in every aspect! Though I love mine, I certainly wouldnt want it longer in toptube/reach/wheelbase.
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    So with one week away until Eurobike, what's everyone's prediction for MY17?
    Here's mine:

    - Banshee Rune will go Super Enduro, 170mm of travel both front and back.
    - Exchangeable dropouts remain, providing support for new Boost Standard and such
    - chainstay length shrinks ~10 mm
    - no front derailleur support anymore
    - finally raw color option again!

    Keep 'em coming

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    If they bring back the Spitfire in the '14 blue I will make Keith breakfast in bed every Sunday for a year.

    Desperate to order a new bike/frame but waiting to see what Banshee have to offer next week.

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    upload img

    i'll settle for this color scheme complete with badge,

    or get an anodized one because i'm crap at keeping it for getting way too may paint chips and scratches,

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    Yeah, I loved my Polished/Orange V1 Paradox, really would be sweet if they brought back the Dual/Split colourways

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    i'll settle for this color scheme complete with badge,

    or get an anodized one because i'm crap at keeping it for getting way too may paint chips and scratches,
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    Chiming for Keith.

    I have to build new wheels for my prime and in order to keep'em up to date and compatible for future frames I'd like to know if v2 boost dropouts will ever be made, and in case, reasonably soon available ?

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    I heard they're in the works right now, but why not just go 150x12 instead, absolutely dishless, strong wheel, great chainline, works excellent with 73mm BB

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    Chiming for Keith.

    I have to build new wheels for my prime and in order to keep'em up to date and compatible for future frames I'd like to know if v2 boost dropouts will ever be made, and in case, reasonably soon available ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I heard they're in the works right now, but why not just go 150x12 instead, absolutely dishless, strong wheel, great chainline, works excellent with 73mm BB
    It's just for future frame compatibility,and possibility to swap wheels.
    .....the world is insanely going boost direction.....I'd have gladly used 150x12

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    I'm with Lynx on this one, since the frame has room for 150mm, that is the best way to go if building a wheel. That's the route I went, and I won't be going back.

    However if you have a Boost wheelset or hubs laying around, I can see where boost dropouts would be a benefit. From a marketing perspective, it might bring in a few new buyers if they are looking for a Boost frame.

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    i'm guessing that 150 would require more material added to the frame to accommodate it, thus adding more material and weight to the trail bikes.
    there is a very fine balance between strengths/durability versus weight saving that us alum lovers need to have in check,
    give me a bike that i can chuck away when i have to bale out and not to worry too much if my spitfire can take it.

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    Have you even closely looked at your Spitfire, there are no mods needing to be done to run any of the various axle widths with the replaceable drop outs, the frames are made so that all are just bolt on and go, i.e. stays are wide enough and strong enough and the actual 150x12 drop outs weigh no more than the 142x12 or 135x10 drop outs, not in my hand. Only place you will gain a very small amount of weight is in the hub itself as that is wider than the narrower options.

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    i'm guessing that 150 would require more material added to the frame to accommodate it, thus adding more material and weight to the trail bikes.
    there is a very fine balance between strengths/durability versus weight saving that us alum lovers need to have in check,
    give me a bike that i can chuck away when i have to bale out and not to worry too much if my spitfire can take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    I'm with Lynx on this one, since the frame has room for 150mm, that is the best way to go if building a wheel. That's the route I went, and I won't be going back.

    However if you have a Boost wheelset or hubs laying around, I can see where boost dropouts would be a benefit. From a marketing perspective, it might bring in a few new buyers if they are looking for a Boost frame.
    I don't have boost wheel set (yet) but I think I'll pull the trigger on a boost front susp. frame, and I'd like to swap its plus wheels with Prime.
    Here comes the need of boost wheels...... I'd gladly stuck with 142x12
    Also when (read if) I'll change the Prime, the new frame will be quite surely boost, cause this the market will offer.
    just considering if new dropouts will increase chainstay length (27.5 style). Would be nice to have 26"length boost dropouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    Chiming for Keith.

    I have to build new wheels for my prime and in order to keep'em up to date and compatible for future frames I'd like to know if v2 boost dropouts will ever be made, and in case, reasonably soon available ?
    I would keep patience, as Eurobike will happen in a few days. All infos will released then.
    So far the MY17 (and following) dropouts seem to have 2-position geo-adjustment vs the 3-position of the current. I would wait how Banshee will come out with the new dropout-desingn and their compability to older frames.
    Apart from that, if I were you I would keep the 142x12 or go with the 150x12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    I would keep patience, as Eurobike will happen in a few days. All infos will released then.
    So far the MY17 (and following) dropouts seem to have 2-position geo-adjustment vs the 3-position of the current. I would wait how Banshee will come out with the new dropout-desingn and their compability to older frames.
    Apart from that, if I were you I would keep the 142x12 or go with the 150x12.
    nonsense to go 150 for future frame compatibility. Sure I'll wait news, just hope they'll be older frames frendly.

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    Eurobike is on, cannot find any Banshee news, anyone that has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroll View Post
    Eurobike is on, cannot find any Banshee news, anyone that has?

    ...........feverishly checking MTBR every 10 minutes...........

    Can't wait for goods to drool over!

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    And me.

    Got all excited when I noticed this thread had new replies.

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    Legend and Darkside looks pretty similar to this years lineup


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    And where is the Spitfire ??


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    @Samos these are not my pictures, just found them in the Internet. I'm also very curious about the spitfire. Hope for pictures soon

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    I can't take it, I need to see the new Rune!!!

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    Can see Prime in foreground and rune and spitfire in background here:

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    Maxle rear end and the webbing where a few have cracked on the seat tube/down tube has gone.

    Need to see more colours.

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    Note: 2017 Rune and Spitfire on first page!

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    The 29ers look outstanding. I'm itching for info on the Prime!

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    Would love to see some close ups of the new hydro formed tubing, curious how much different it is and how much weight it helped save. I'd love to give an XL Phantom a go with a 50mm stem and greater sweep bar to my Large with 70mmstem and 8 degree sweep bar, but will have to wait and see.
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    Looks good! I spy a DT Swiss axle on the Spitty...sure would be nice if they were included as standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluearsedfly View Post
    Maxle rear end and the webbing where a few have cracked on the seat tube/down tube has gone.

    Need to see more colours.
    My current 13 is cracked on the seat tube under the lower link mount. I'm hoping this was addressed as I know I've seen pictures of others cracked at the same spot. It looks the same though minus the gusset in front.

    I broke 2 of those original Maxle type axles, replaced it with a Rockshox maxle no failures

    I hope there is more colors to choose from, I'm not crazy about the yellow/orange colorway at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Would love to see some close ups of the new hydro formed tubing, curious how much different it is and how much weight it helped save. I'd love to give an XL Phantom a go with a 50mm stem and greater sweep bar to my Large with 70mmstem and 8 degree sweep bar, but will have to wait and see.
    Yeah this almost exactly.
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    More Prime please! Any signs of Boost rear ends?

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    So as I pedaled away on the trainer tonight and my Rune sat right in front of me I pulled up the first page of the yellow/orange Rune. There's a bunch of subtle differences that don't stand out right away. This is what I noticed just from 1 picture.

    Top tube is totally different and upper gusset is slimmed down a bit.
    Seat tube appears to be a bit shorter.
    Front shock mount is different and looks to have some weight trimmed out of it.
    BB gusset to downtube gusset is gone.
    Bottom tube appears to be formed more but hard to tell for sure in picture.
    Rear triangle is different, its been slimmed down a bunch around the new drop out and looks to have more clearance by the derailleur.
    New rear drop out looks to be much smaller.

    I'm pretty stoked on it as of now. I wish I knew if my drop outs will fit or I need to buy new ones.
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    New top tube with hydrofrormed gusset, new down tube that is formed at the bottom to reduce the need for the lower gusset, new lighter dropouts including boost 26"
    Seat tubes are 31.6 and lower for longer posts, seat angles steeper and reach increased on most frames too.

    They look sick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalsbikecare View Post
    New top tube with hydrofrormed gusset, new down tube that is formed at the bottom to reduce the need for the lower gusset, new lighter dropouts including boost 26"
    Seat tubes are 31.6 and lower for longer posts, seat angles steeper and reach increased on most frames too.

    They look sick!
    Please any information if the Prime is changed, too.

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    From memory pretty sure all of the above

    Exact details out soon

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    To put it bluntly FVCK, exactly what I was hoping would not happen. ST on the FS are already too steep for me and already have my 30.9 dropper, can't say I think shimming is a great idea for them.

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    New top tube with hydrofrormed gusset, new down tube that is formed at the bottom to reduce the need for the lower gusset, new lighter dropouts including boost 26"
    Seat tubes are 31.6 and lower for longer posts, seat angles steeper and reach increased on most frames too.

    They look sick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    To put it bluntly FVCK, exactly what I was hoping would not happen. ST on the FS are already too steep for me and already have my 30.9 dropper, can't say I think shimming is a great idea for them.
    Shame on Banshee for not listening to you! Ha. Kidding/not kidding.

    But really it does bum out my wallet a bit about the seat post size change but if Keith thinks you gotta up diameter for more exposed post then I kinda believe him....

    Overall I'm kinda meh about the new frames right now not sure why. Guess we need more and better photos!!! And a full list of changes with numbers can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    To put it bluntly FVCK, exactly what I was hoping would not happen. ST on the FS are already too steep for me and already have my 30.9 dropper, can't say I think shimming is a great idea for them.
    To steep? How steep is your ST? I don't think shimming is a problem, have a 30.9 dropper too, but it's not a deal braker. Specialized shims the 2017 S-Works Enduro 29...

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    Nope, this is from last year !!!!


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    Nope, this is from last year !!!!
    **** lol!

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    I run my Phantom in the steep setting, which has an ESTA of somewhere around 75-76 degrees, but I run a longer fork, so drops down to somewhere around 74 degrees and I like it around 72.5 degrees, so already using a setback head on my post. I guess not lots of people like to do anything but pedal up and bomb down, me, I like to do lots of flat/rolling stuff which requires lots of pedaling and those who don't complain generally run the chips in the slack setting.

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    To steep? How steep is your ST? I don't think shimming is a problem, have a 30.9 dropper too, but it's not a deal braker. Specialized shims the 2017 S-Works Enduro 29...
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    Is the reason for going to a larger seat post diameter strength at the link mount/seat tube junction or support for a longer seat post with a shorter seat tube? I'm kind of bummed about the seat post diameter change. A shim from 31.6 to 30.9 is really thin, the 34.9-30.9 shim on my other bike is 120mm long and totally trusyworthy.
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    Hot damn! The Prime and Phantom look pretty damn nice to me. I need some frame weight and geometry numbers!

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    They all seem like logical changes - if you don't like them, keep riding your old Banshee! I'm v happy with my 2014 Spitfire so see no reason to replace it.

    The Spitfire's down tube looks larger near the BB - combine that with the larger seat tube and I suspect that's a good part of the additional strength needed to do away with that gusset.

    The larger seat tube makes sense with the huge dropper posts that are becoming common, both so the dropper has more space for internals and to cope with the leverage it's exerting. A shorter seat tube allows riders to run bigger droppers which so definitely a good thing (I'm liking my new 170mm Reverb a lot!)

    The new dropouts look lighter. A steeper seat tube angle will be preferred by most riders, especially as a lot of Spitfire owners run a 160mm 27.5 fork which slackens the whole bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threehats View Post
    They all seem like logical changes - if you don't like them, keep riding your old Banshee!

    Umm I cant it cracked at the seat tube/upper link mount


    I actually dig the changes mostly TBH, I just really didn't plan on having to buy new drop outs and a dropper.
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    Plenty of 30.9 to 31.6 shims available and you can change the outer tube on quite a few droppers when servicing them

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    I suppose that's really up to Banshee, lots of companies wont warranty a frame with a seat post spacer used IIRC. I wonder if Syntace makes one like the one in my other bike?
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    Are those numbers for the spitfire? ^^^

    Any idea on other colours yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluearsedfly View Post
    Are those numbers for the spitfire? ^^^

    Any idea on other colours yet?

    Has to be 27.5/26 and shorter shock than the Rune.
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    gosh!!!!!! good news for boost dropouts (26 & 27,5).....hoping for compatibility with older models...... c'mon Keith unzip your mouth.
    ...also see no PM caliper mount:


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    same shock different bushing size
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    Raw is back for the Rune!

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    Prime updates are looking good for a switch from the 2013 Spitfire. Not impressed with the colors schemes though. Ongoing issue with Banshee, crap shoot.

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    Not super relevant but I just came up with a new marketing campaign:

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    So far so good with the Prime. Just need some numbers for comparison. I wonder if its still cleared for a 160mm fork.

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    Someone on the forum put up a link to the full details but then deleted it (think it was a dealer) - but here it is: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xx5jknplhy...20web.pdf?dl=0

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    Did anyone see that last custom painted dh rig by Peaty? i think banshee missed the opportunity of doing the same for their spitfire. I'm designing a copy of that decals to put on my bike.

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    I wonder if those dropouts can fit on our current setup. Looking for a little shorter chainstay on my 650b rune....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junersun View Post
    I wonder if those dropouts can fit on our current setup. Looking for a little shorter chainstay on my 650b rune....


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    If your running in the slack setting you can probably clear a 27.5 tire unless its really tall in the 26" drop out. What tire are you running? I can check clearance on mine if you want since I cant ride.
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    Wow almost a pound off the weight of the frame is HuGe!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    If your running in the slack setting you can probably clear a 27.5 tire unless its really tall in the 26" drop out. What tire are you running? I can check clearance on mine if you want since I cant ride.
    I ran a 27.5 Schwalbe something, 2.4 Hans Dampf from memory, in my 26 dropouts. Could only get clearance in the slack setting.

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    Yeah it will only work in slack, I know I tried a 27.5x2.4 Mavic Charge but it was rubbing and it dwarfs everything else I've ever run. IIRC I had a Roam, Slaughter and something else in mine.
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    Interesting... Sorry this forum is for 2017 so I'll go to the rune build for more questions!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junersun View Post
    I wonder if those dropouts can fit on our current setup. Looking for a little shorter chainstay on my 650b rune....
    They will not fit. Got that information a week ago from a banshee dealer.

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    Can anyone confirm that?
    How about stiffness ?
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    Holy smokes. The pre euro bike chatter was -200g, but near a pound?! Sold. When are these available??

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    Slightly OT: How are the Monarch shocks performing on the current lineup? I don't understand the specification of a "large volume air / coil shock" for the frames and the use of the smallest available air chamber at the Monarch shocks. Why are no HV or Deban Air air chambers used?

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    Bummed to see they have dropped 150 rear axles. I know with boost and an offset rim you can get close to the strength 150 gives, but I have a 157 hardtail and wanted compatible wheels (end cap swapping aside). Ho hum. No new Prime for me.

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    Bummed to see Phantom reach only bumped 5mm on the medium. Really hoping they'd get it out to 435ish

    Stoked that they were able to shave off a full pound from the frames.

    As for the colors, cool that they're offering murder-black on all frames. Raw looks sick as well.

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    I like the new frames, hard to go any other way design wise these days.

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    Nice with the hydro formed TT and integrated brace, and on the DT, but wonder if that is enough to compensate for the missing brace that was there before, assuming lots of computer testing and the real world testing has gone into it, so trust Keith on that.
    Really not impressed to see the lack of an FD direct mount option, kills me getting one, I like and want my 2x drivetrain and with the new Shimano side swing, front pull FDs, no reason to not have it as an option, IMHO.

    I'm on the opposite side of that since a Large with 450mm reach works for me with a 70mm stem, and being able to run 460mm Reach with a 60mm stem would be nice, I could as well move up to the XL (which is where I'd think someone 6'2" would be) and use a 40mm stem.
    I think making them any longer for each size would realistically push that size into the next size category and since the Phantom only offers 3and not 4 sizes, the spread of possible fit has to be bigger between the sizes.

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    Bummed to see Phantom reach only bumped 5mm on the medium. Really hoping they'd get it out to 435ish
    Stoked that they were able to shave off a full pound from the frames.
    As for the colors, cool that they're offering murder-black on all frames. Raw looks sick as well.
    Yeah, me as well, but I guess that like with the original 142 no slot drop outs, if enough people ask for them, then they will make them.

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    Bummed to see they have dropped 150 rear axles. I know with boost and an offset rim you can get close to the strength 150 gives, but I have a 157 hardtail and wanted compatible wheels (end cap swapping aside). Ho hum. No new Prime for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post
    Bummed to see Phantom reach only bumped 5mm on the medium. Really hoping they'd get it out to 435ish

    Stoked that they were able to shave off a full pound from the frames.

    As for the colors, cool that they're offering murder-black on all frames. Raw looks sick as well.
    The blue/raw spitty looks slick, though I do like the murdered out look, it'd be cool to see the return of old school black with white letters.
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    Subtle changes but awesome to see the weight drop! And there wasn't much room for improvement anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post
    Bummed to see Phantom reach only bumped 5mm on the medium. Really hoping they'd get it out to 435ish
    The seat tube on the large is now 20mm shorter, so only 20mm longer than on the old medium, so most riders wanting more reach can go up a size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyice View Post
    The blue/raw spitty looks slick, though I do like the murdered out look, it'd be cool to see the return of old school black with white letters.
    Agreed. The raw and blue would probably get my dollar today but not sure where I'll stand this fall when I hope to order!!! So great on all the changes in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Really not impressed to see the lack of an FD direct mount option, kills me getting one, I like and want my 2x drivetrain and with the new Shimano side swing, front pull FDs, no reason to not have it as an option, IMHO.
    For which bike did you see the lack of an FD direct mount option? For the Prime I'm pretty sure to see an FD direct mount option in this picture:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    Slightly OT: How are the Monarch shocks performing on the current lineup? I don't understand the specification of a "large volume air / coil shock" for the frames and the use of the smallest available air chamber at the Monarch shocks. Why are no HV or Deban Air air chambers used?

    Avoid them like the plague! I've tried almost every iteration of the shock on my V2 (all three cans, different tunes - MM, ML. etc., various vol reducer band setups, heck even different year models of the shock) and nothing worked well enough to justify keeping... Got a DB AIr CS instead...And that's saying a lot from a guy who lives in a country with no official CC service center, which means i travel to another country just to have it serviced...

    Btw, Banshee told me (before the monarch options came out) that the ideal Monarch would be the regular can (thinnest) with an ML tune and bout 3 - 4 reducer bands inside... So like you I was confused why their website says "large volume air" --- maybe this is in reference to the DB Air CS with the stock XVOL can (that has one large reducer inside)

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    Hum, was the Prime I looked at when I said that. That pic I could zoom in on and looks like maybe I see the top bolt hole for an FD, guess the bigger chainring is hiding behind there. Think I'll shoot an e-mail off and ask a question, because honestly was looking forward to upgrading to an XL Phantom. Really love Banshee frames, they're stiff and burly and I won't even think about what if if I have to lay it down/bail on our coral.

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    For which bike did you see the lack of an FD direct mount option? For the Prime I'm pretty sure to see an FD direct mount option in this picture:

    https://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/f3/20/2...5-original.jpg
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    Same here... have a 2x10 drivetrain in very good condition and want to upgrade from a Spec Stumpy - I'm pretty sure the FD would fit both frames. If the FD is really missing, you could try to get one of the last 2016 frames. If you compare the geometry, it changed by some mm, not more. Just go for an angle set and you have the slacker, longer geometry with a few mm difference in reach.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hum, was the Prime I looked at when I said that. That pic I could zoom in on and looks like maybe I see the top bolt hole for an FD, guess the bigger chainring is hiding behind there. Think I'll shoot an e-mail off and ask a question, because honestly was looking forward to upgrading to an XL Phantom. Really love Banshee frames, they're stiff and burly and I won't even think about what if if I have to lay it down/bail on our coral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hum, was the Prime I looked at when I said that. That pic I could zoom in on and looks like maybe I see the top bolt hole for an FD, guess the bigger chainring is hiding behind there. Think I'll shoot an e-mail off and ask a question, because honestly was looking forward to upgrading to an XL Phantom. Really love Banshee frames, they're stiff and burly and I won't even think about what if if I have to lay it down/bail on our coral.
    From what I see the bolts for FD (S3 standard) are still there ... !

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    I expect that the option is there since the dimple/slimming on the St is still there, just got a little concerned as I know that Keith is a fan of 1x.

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    From what I see the bolts for FD (S3 standard) are still there ... !
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarKmaN View Post
    Avoid them like the plague! I've tried almost every iteration of the shock on my V2 (all three cans, different tunes - MM, ML. etc., various vol reducer band setups, heck even different year models of the shock) and nothing worked well enough to justify keeping... Got a DB AIr CS instead...And that's saying a lot from a guy who lives in a country with no official CC service center, which means i travel to another country just to have it serviced...

    Btw, Banshee told me (before the monarch options came out) that the ideal Monarch would be the regular can (thinnest) with an ML tune and bout 3 - 4 reducer bands inside... So like you I was confused why their website says "large volume air" --- maybe this is in reference to the DB Air CS with the stock XVOL can (that has one large reducer inside)
    I have a Monarch RT3 on my other bike. Its nothing impressive just a all black version of the CTD trail adjust that came on my Rune that also was nothing to be impressed by. Actually the CTD had more adjustment than the Monarch so its kind of a step backwards.

    MY CCDB air is really good on my Rune. Takes way less pressure to operate and way more adjustable. My only complaint is mid stoke is a bit wallowy but I'm a big guy and shocks are not marketed toward guy 200lbs+
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    Excited to see Banshee still going strong. Awesome that they finally managed to drop some weight, also interested if this would affect stiffness at all. Now have a strange gut feeling of buying a '16 spitty a few months ago. '17 with a cc dbcoil il is just nuts. (with having 5 weeks downtime from having the inline send back to germany after 3 rides it better be solid now).

    But what I really want to know is, any new frame in the works yet?
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    I can't see any reason for a new frame, they have the entire line of possibilities covered, I did however notice that the Paradox is missing, and assume that that is getting a re-design or some serious tweaks to it, expect to accommodate 650B+, maybe 29+ and some other small changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    From what I see the bolts for FD (S3 standard) are still there ... !
    Well, we have the bolts for FD, but no cable guides for FD (and no upper
    cable guides for dropper post).

    Keith, this is for weight (bull****) savings?

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    I´m pretty stoked about the MY17 Banshees!
    Lot´s of improvement in the details. Seat-tube, top-tube and down-tube seemed to be new or redesigned. The rear-triangle looks a bit lower. Same with the placement of the upper KS-Link?!? The new dropouts are much smaller and compact - good chance a lot of weight-saving is happening here. The forged bb-area seems the same as for MY16, with the removable ISCG-tabs, and it looks like there´s still the S3 Standard FD-option.
    Nice to see Banshee was following my hint of all-on-the-down-tube-cablerouting, as the cable-guides under the down-tube and top-tube (for external dropper-post-routing) are gone. Makes sense to me, because SRAM will not feature and develop FD´s in the future, but Shimano´s are still in the game and ahead with their side-swing FD´s.
    A big thumb-up for the shorter seat-tubes. Riders like me, mostly in-between sizes, can go bigger without compromise in stand-over-height. Plus 150 to 200mm dropper-posts might become more and more common.
    The weight-drop of nearly 1 pound (450 grams) is massive, wow!
    All in all I like the improvements very much. The frames look more slim and elegant.
    For me the right time to upgrade from my MY12/13 Spitfire to a MY17 one.

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    So summerized up: If I have a 2x drivetrain and a dropper post with external cable, there are not enough possibilities to route the cables on the frame?

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    @NoStyle you nailed it all man. Great changes and agreed, I think worth replacing my MY15 Spit. Although with a pound weight drop I may opt for the Rune instead! Still looking forward to frame weight details, but definitely starting to think abt this winter project and getting excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    So summerized up: If I have a 2x drivetrain and a dropper post with external cable, there are not enough possibilities to route the cables on the frame?
    I don´t know about the new cable-tabs yet, or how Banshee has done it. Possibly they went with 4-piece tabs?!?
    Shimano side-swing-FD´s have an up and front cable-routing, and for a SRAM X0 FD, I did it this way, see attachment.
    But you´re right - there´s no routing for external dropper-post-cables ...
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    NP adding a wire on top of the other wires, I have done this on my MY13 Spitfire with great success.

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    So summerized up: If I have a 2x drivetrain and a dropper post with external cable, there are not enough possibilities to route the cables on the frame?

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    Exactamundo, currently running 4 wires/hoses down the to of the DT, no problem - Rear & front FD cables, dropper cable and rear brake hose.

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    NP adding a wire on top of the other wires, I have done this on my MY13 Spitfire with great success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yancho View Post
    Well, we have the bolts for FD, but no cable guides for FD (and no upper
    cable guides for dropper post).
    There is no need for each cable to have it's own set of guides. Look at Canfield bikes for instance.... one row of cable guides, one zip-tie around all your cables & hoses.

    Similar with Santa cruz, although there's (too)many guides on the frame, everyone I know just runs all there cables together down one side of the DT.

    More guides & zipties just make the bike difficult to clean. So I applaud this change!

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    Where did you find that picture? I'd love to see all the new frames frame only like that?

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    Or maybe I should have asked you vko where you found that picture of the frame?

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    The huge loss in weight is a bit worrying. I hope the Rune remains bombproof. Almost.

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    Or maybe I should have asked you vko where you found that picture of the frame?
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    Dropouts MY17.
    Clearly they have a different chipset but I'd like to have a final word about their compatibility with 13-16 frames. I wonder if they have same distance between bolts and inside swingarm interface of previous model in order to be mounted with older chips.

    I'm trying to find a way to mount boost wheels on my '13 prime.

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    The new dropouts are completely different to the old ones - bolts are much closer together and the distance from the bolts to axle is much shorter. I suspect their reduced size is a key contributor to the lower weight on the new frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarKmaN View Post
    The huge loss in weight is a bit worrying. I hope the Rune remains bombproof. Almost.
    Most of it appears to be from weight trimmed off in areas that were not problematic. Like the extra material in the back end around the flip chips and chainstays. The area where they had the most issues from what I found was around the BB lower link mount area. Hydroformed tube and a larger diameter seat post tube hopefully fixed that. I'd really like to see a non drive side shot of the Rune BB to see if they for sure got rid of the funky bend at the bottom of the seat tube.
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    ... plus, if the dropouts are smaller/shorter, then the chainstay/seatstay-tubings must be slightly longer, regarding the geometry (chain stay-length) hasn´t really changed on the Rune, Prime, Spitfire and Phantom, compared to the previous MY´s ...

    The red is a Phantom, with the short 26/29 dropouts.
    The yellow is a Rune, with 650B (longer) dropouts.
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    So new drop outs use a one piece plate, easier to do trailside flips after say a super long climb to super long descent If anyone wants the old 1/2 degree, wouldn't be hard to fab up 2 of those. Stripped my Phantom down yesterday and hefted the front and rear tris, and yeah, the rear tri is just unreal heavy compared to the front, not proportional at all, over 3.5lbs with rockers and drop outs, guessing that's where the serious rear end stiffness comes from.
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    thanks NoStyle.

    that is crude reality.. no boost on older frames

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    I'm curious why the Spitfire is spec'ed with a 160mm fork when the geo chart is based on a 150mm fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    I'm curious why the Spitfire is spec'ed with a 160mm fork when the geo chart is based on a 150mm fork?
    My assumption is that it would ideally be spec'ed with a 150mm fork, but using a 160mm allows the same forks to be spec'ed on the Rune. Larger fork orders > cheaper complete pricing. That said, all forks that are offered can be lower with a $40 air shaft.

    I'm really happy to see the DT Swiss axle included as standard. A simple, clean, and proven system that will compliment the new drop outs nicely.

    Lastly, I have some rough ETAs for frames hitting our shop. A small batch of Legends, Darksides, and Amps available towards the end of the month. Runes and Primes becoming available in October, Phantoms and Spitfires in November. As always, get yourself on a pre-order!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMerchantBicycles View Post
    Lastly, I have some rough ETAs for frames hitting our shop. A small batch of Legends, Darksides, and Amps available towards the end of the month. Runes and Primes becoming available in October, Phantoms and Spitfires in November. As always, get yourself on a pre-order!
    *checks pocket for wallet frantically*

    Do you have frame weights? I need to see a number for the Spit and Rune before pulling the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    Dropouts MY17.
    Clearly they have a different chipset but I'd like to have a final word about their compatibility with 13-16 frames. I wonder if they have same distance between bolts and inside swingarm interface of previous model in order to be mounted with older chips.

    I'm trying to find a way to mount boost wheels on my '13 prime.

    Keith????
    To confirm, the new dropouts are not compatible with old frames or vice versa as part of the project for me was to make them lighter and more compact. However boost 148 dropouts will be avlaibile for old frames as an aftermarket option shortly.

    If someone could persuade the big bike companies to stop releasing unnecessary standards every year in order to make money, then none of this would be an issue... Ho hum, as least our modular dropouts offer you guys options.
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    Thnxz Kieth, modular drop outs for the win!
    When can we expect to read the press release and watch some riding footage?

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    Thank you Keith for your response - great as always!
    Any plans of 150 Dropouts for the new models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    If someone could persuade the big bike companies to stop releasing unnecessary standards every year in order to make money, then none of this would be an issue... Ho hum, as least our modular dropouts offer you guys options.
    So true! My favorite is the new "boost" 15x110 front axles. Couldn't we have just stuck with the old 20x110 axles for boost, it would have been even stiffer!?

    Anyways, the new changes look great. I built up a '15 Rune and it's reminded me how awesome Banshee's are. Great work Keith!

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    Hey Keith, which shock options will be offered for the Spitfire 2017?
    Would love to see a Manitou McLeod option for the frame kits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    to confirm, the new dropouts are not compatible with old frames or vice versa as part of the project for me was to make them lighter and more compact. However boost 148 dropouts will be avlaibile for old frames as an aftermarket option shortly.

    If someone could persuade the big bike companies to stop releasing unnecessary standards every year in order to make money, then none of this would be an issue... Ho hum, as least our modular dropouts offer you guys options.
    that's GGGREAT!!!!!!

    I love Banshee.
    Just let us know when new (old) boost dropouts will hit shelves.

    Keith,
    I'm with you about new useless standards, but you see all new bikes, especially 27+ capable, are going boost and I'd like to share wheels with a front boost frame and my loved Prime. If it wasn't for that I 'd have gladly kept my 142x12.
    For sure bike industry could have used 12x150 introducing slots at dropouts and increase flanges distance getting same result as boost.
    I was firmly intentioned to adapt 12x150 to my needs, but now you gave this great news......love banshee again.
    just one more info.
    Can you tell me why 142x12 dropouts that are supposed to be with a 3,5 mm slot each side are produced by banshee without slots?
    I don't feel any need for them.....it's just to know.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    just one more info.
    Can you tell me why 142x12 dropouts that are supposed to be with a 3,5 mm slot each side are produced by banshee without slots?
    I don't feel any need for them.....it's just to know.
    As far as I know there are two models of 142x12 dropouts, older without slot and newer with slot. I was talking with the german distributor how I could get a Specialized 142+ rear wheel fitted in a Prime frame and I got the information, it could work with the older dropouts without slot.

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    is anyone here following the world champs coverage? was looking at those commencal WC frames and those chrome finish are looking mint. can anyone confirm if the raw finish on the new models be similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post

    If someone could persuade the big bike companies to stop releasing unnecessary standards every year in order to make money, then none of this would be an issue... Ho hum, as least our modular dropouts offer you guys options.
    Coming soon - 660mm wheels, 2x9 drivetrains, drop bars, and new the all new super stiff solid seatpost.
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    Here´s german distributor Bernhard, talking about the new bikes in the first half of the vid, during Eurobike. German language, but enough close-up´s to see what´s new ...


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    Press relases and riing shots and vids etc will come in time. It's no secret that we have had some supplier issues this year which have knocked everything out of schedule, but we are working hard to catch up and get things back on track. Info will be released by the time frames start shipping in the coming months.
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    Hi Keith,
    do you have any plans for other dropouts, say 150mm/12 for the 2017 frames?
    is a boost crank needed or does a normal crank clear the rear end?

    Thank you

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    A normal crank will clear the rear end of all the bikes for normal range of single speed chainrings.

    I'll keep an eye on things for dropouts. One request we were getting from dealers and distributors was to simplify our offerings so we picked the 2 options that we felt worked best and covered the most people. But if I see a lot of deamnd for other standards I will certainly consider them if possible.
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    @ builttoride, just two quick questions -


    - Is the Prime still cleared for a 160mm fork?

    - How much internal seat tube is available before its interrupted on the L & XL's? (I'd like to 175mm 9point8 slammed, which needs 265mm of uninterrupted area)

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    - Is the Prime still cleared for a 160mm fork?

    -yes, 160mm single crown forks are the largest forks we recommend for the prime.

    - How much internal seat tube is available before its interrupted on the L & XL's? (I'd like to 175mm 9point8 slammed, which needs 265mm of uninterrupted area)

    -For the MY17 frames the uninterupted length is as follows; Large-230mm XL-270mm
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    Thank you sir, great info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'll keep an eye on things for dropouts...
    Thank you for the great work

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'll keep an eye on things for dropouts. One request we were getting from dealers and distributors was to simplify our offerings so we picked the 2 options that we felt worked best and covered the most people. But if I see a lot of deamnd for other standards I will certainly consider them if possible.
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    Well I pre ordered a Spitfire to replace my Spitfire 🙋
    My "old" spitty is 26" optimized but I'm running 650-wheels, it'll be fun to see if I notice the difference when the new one is 650-optimized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyjamas View Post
    Well I pre ordered a Spitfire to replace my Spitfire 🙋
    My "old" spitty is 26" optimized but I'm running 650-wheels, it'll be fun to see if I notice the difference when the new one is 650-optimized.
    Nice!!! I'm in the same boat just haven't pulled the pre-order trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyjamas View Post
    Well I pre ordered a Spitfire to replace my Spitfire 🙋
    My "old" spitty is 26" optimized but I'm running 650-wheels, it'll be fun to see if I notice the difference when the new one is 650-optimized.
    Any ETA on when frames will be available?

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    Same here, new Spitfire, going up to an XL this time. I sold my v1 to a mate so I can still visit it but unfortunately the v2 goes to out of town.

    Cant decide on what fork to run, not super happy about the Pike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baramats View Post
    Same here, new Spitfire, going up to an XL this time. I sold my v1 to a mate so I can still visit it but unfortunately the v2 goes to out of town.

    Cant decide on what fork to run, not super happy about the Pike.
    Run a Mattoc, great fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baramats View Post
    Cant decide on what fork to run, not super happy about the Pike.
    X Fusion Sweep. Have always loved mine, have just been smashing it around Whistler for two weeks and it just keeps coming back for more.

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    I've been very happy with my Trace RL now for the last 4 years, but if I was buying new, in this day and age, I'd opt for the new McQueen RC HLR. Same chasis as the Sweep/Trace, 34mm stanchions, but can take B+ if you so desire or even regular 29er wheels/tyres and if if only running 650B seriously good clearance - it'll be my next fork that can do everything.

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    X Fusion Sweep. Have always loved mine, have just been smashing it around Whistler for two weeks and it just keeps coming back for more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevello View Post
    Any ETA on when frames will be available?
    No, no dates.

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    From a couple pages back.....

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    Lastly, I have some rough ETAs for frames hitting our shop. A small batch of Legends, Darksides, and Amps available towards the end of the month. Runes and Primes becoming available in October, Phantoms and Spitfires in November. As always, get yourself on a pre-order!

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    Thanks, nice to hear others liking the x-fusion forks. I used to have a Sweep HLR and I now look at the Roughcut version, seems nice. And a more reasonably priced product.

    oh the anticipation

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    Same here - X-Fusion Trace RL 120mm on a Phantom - troublefree set and Forget fork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarKmaN View Post
    Avoid them like the plague! I've tried almost every iteration of the shock on my V2 (all three cans, different tunes - MM, ML. etc., various vol reducer band setups, heck even different year models of the shock) and nothing worked well enough to justify keeping... Got a DB AIr CS instead...And that's saying a lot from a guy who lives in a country with no official CC service center, which means i travel to another country just to have it serviced...

    Btw, Banshee told me (before the monarch options came out) that the ideal Monarch would be the regular can (thinnest) with an ML tune and bout 3 - 4 reducer bands inside... So like you I was confused why their website says "large volume air" --- maybe this is in reference to the DB Air CS with the stock XVOL can (that has one large reducer inside)
    It that's true (see following quotation), then there will be no CC DBA CS shock option for 2017. I'm a bit confused. Some owners are reporting Monarch shocks should be avoided like a plague because they are not working well with banshee frames, Banshee says the ideal Monarch would be the regular (thinnest) can and now the frames are delivered with the largest (Debonair) can? Can somebody please explain that?

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    One shock option- Previously multiple shocks have been offer on Banshee frames. Now to simplify the offering and to provide the best possible shock tune for the frames a Rockshox Monarch RT3 Debonair will be offered on the Spitfire and Phantom, a Rockshox Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair on the Rune and Prime, and a Rockshox Vivid Air on the Darkside and Legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_steel View Post
    It that's true (see following quotation), then there will be no CC DBA CS shock option for 2017. I'm a bit confused. Some owners are reporting Monarch shocks should be avoided like a plague because they are not working well with banshee frames, Banshee says the ideal Monarch would be the regular (thinnest) can and now the frames are delivered with the largest (Debonair) can? Can somebody please explain that?

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    It all depends on who is using it. I think Keith's design weight makes it ideal to use such a shock. For Darkside, it's a progressive leverage ratio bike so any shock will do well.

    For riders like myself who won't fall into the design weight (200+) lbs, you can't use a high volume can because it takes away the progressive nature of the airshock. I need the shock to ramp up to help bottom out.

    For the majority of riders though, a nice plush ride is what people are after and a high volume can will achieve that.


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    Hey Keith I have a question: With the recent announcement of new lower priced pinion gearbox on interbike, have you been considering mounting them on your frames. I know it is not straight forward thing to do because you have to completely redefine BB area and it might even interfere with the lower link but I think there are many of us who would really like it. Do you think there is a market for this combo?

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    I keep an eye on gearboxes... but they are not there yet in terms of price or weight in my opinion (hopefully they will get there soon), and they also have a fair bit more drag than current drivetrains. Trust me I am keen to see the death of the low hanging derailleur, but nobody has designed a truely viable option yet in my opinion all things considered.

    The other factor, which is a fairly significant one, is the fact that a tensioner would still be required to work with our bikes (and any bike with good suspension kinematics). I personally favour an internally geared hub that hits the mark in terms of price, weight, friction and reliability for this reason.
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    This is why I stick with Banshee, don't just do stuff because it's fashionable. I look at the latest gear boxes, look really spiffy, but then had to ask myself, why, what problem do they reasonably solve and I couldn't find an answer, they're still too big, to bulky and too heavy for your avg, every day rider who pedals their bike up, down and all around.

    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I keep an eye on gearboxes... but they are not there yet in terms of price or weight in my opinion (hopefully they will get there soon), and they also have a fair bit more drag than current drivetrains. Trust me I am keen to see the death of the low hanging derailleur, but nobody has designed a truely viable option yet in my opinion all things considered.

    The other factor, which is a fairly significant one, is the fact that a tensioner would still be required to work with our bikes (and any bike with good suspension kinematics). I personally favour an internally geared hub that hits the mark in terms of price, weight, friction and reliability for this reason.
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    @builttoride any word on the missing CCDB Air? Won't that be available as a shock option for the Rune anymore?

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    The DBair is an option to our distributors, it's up to them if they bring them in and offer them.
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    Thank you very much

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    Hi there,

    what about DB Coil Inline as shock option for Spitfire and Prime ?

    Also Öhlins RFX34/36 and STX22 could be a great option since i've heard that Öhlins is the new Benchmark.

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    Are the old axles compatible with the new dropouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaminc View Post
    Hi there,

    what about DB Coil Inline as shock option for Spitfire and Prime ?

    Also Öhlins RFX34/36 and STX22 could be a great option since i've heard that Öhlins is the new Benchmark.
    We can't offer every option as we are too small a company to hit minimums in many cases, but those options suggested would indeed work well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    Are the old axles compatible with the new dropouts?
    The new frames all come with DTswiss axles as standard.
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    I really wish the new Spitfire had a storage compartment in the downtube

    Also, would it be possible for next year's drop-out's to accept various children's totes and bike carriers? I really want my kids to know what a 10ft gap jump feels like before they try it solo.

    It would be cool if you could have 3 bottle cages on it too.

    I'd like to see exclusive internal routing but I'd also like you to pepper braze-ons every two inches on the bike just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattyice View Post
    I really wish the new Spitfire had a storage compartment in the downtube

    Also, would it be possible for next year's drop-out's to accept various children's totes and bike carriers? I really want my kids to know what a 10ft gap jump feels like before they try it solo.

    It would be cool if you could have 3 bottle cages on it too.

    I'd like to see exclusive internal routing but I'd also like you to pepper braze-ons every two inches on the bike just in case.

    Thanks


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    Mis-post from the Surly thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattyice View Post
    I really wish the new Spitfire had a storage compartment in the downtube

    Also, would it be possible for next year's drop-out's to accept various children's totes and bike carriers? I really want my kids to know what a 10ft gap jump feels like before they try it solo.

    It would be cool if you could have 3 bottle cages on it too.

    I'd like to see exclusive internal routing but I'd also like you to pepper braze-ons every two inches on the bike just in case.

    Thanks


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    I see the Phantom geometry was updated by just a little bit which is great. Does anyone know if there were any geometry changes from 2014-2016?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    I see the Phantom geometry was updated by just a little bit which is great. Does anyone know if there were any geometry changes from 2014-2016?
    Most, if not all frames, got longer top tubes and reach in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom King View Post
    Most, if not all frames, got longer top tubes and reach in 2016.
    Thanks man - comparing 2014,15 & 16 geo I can't find any difference on the Phantom. Seems like the only changes were made on 2017. Looking forward to seeing what the 2017 prices are going to be.

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    Yeah, Phantom has received no changes since it's introduction, it already had longer Reach than the Prime and lower stand over. Now have to re-figure if I go for the XL like I had planned before with the old geo or stick to the Large. Most likely will stick to running a longer than 120mm fork to gain back some of the BB height the new version has lost, I really like my 13.75" BB on my current model for all the rock crawlin I like to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    Thanks man - comparing 2014,15 & 16 geo I can't find any difference on the Phantom. Seems like the only changes were made on 2017. Looking forward to seeing what the 2017 prices are going to be.
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    Hey Keith,

    did the Rune receive any changes to its kinematics? And when do we get new pictures, i F5 all the Forums and the Banshee HP all day long

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    There have been a couple of minor tweeks to improve the kinematics and make them better suit likely drivetrain setups, but not a major overhaul, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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    2017 Lineup Video Check from Eurobike

    Hey Guys, I just made a quick go thru video from Eurobike for you. Check it out: https://youtu.be/JBAHfGm5Jzg

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    Quote Originally Posted by matejcharvat View Post
    Hey Guys, I just made a quick go thru video from Eurobike for you. Check it out: https://youtu.be/JBAHfGm5Jzg
    Nice work, much appreciated!

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    In case Keith is hanging out here...

    I might be in the market for a 2nd Prime. My 2013 is damn near perfect, but I'm a freak and could use a longer top tube. I run a 3/4" setback dropper with seat pushed all the way back.

    One thing I will say is that I doubt I'd ever go to a boost rear wheel. After running a 150 rear, I don't want anything else. Sorry Keith, you are the one that got me hooked on it. Please make 150 dropouts available for the 2017s.

    Small potatoes, but I did not like the 2016 colors. 2017 might work better for me; we will see. Raw with burgundy is not sounding great though. I really want an orange Prime, but I might go for the lime green. Love my raw frame, but now I'm ready for some color.

    Curious about tire clearance. Are the rear stays on the 2017 any wider than the 2013? I'm running 29x3 Dirt Wizards along with the rune 650b dropouts. No problem on the height, but I had to clearance the side knobs on the tire slightly to avoid rubbing in the rear. I realize the Prime has extremely generous tire clearance, but this frame will last for a long, long time, and I'd like to have the flexibility to follow the tire sizes as they get bigger.

    Also, what about frame stiffness? That's fine that you took a bit of weight out, but is the frame just as stiff? I realize that to sell bikes you have to get the weight down because people freak out about 1-2 extra pounds, but I'm hoping there are no negative effects related to the weight reduction.

    It's funny that weight is such a big concern. Give me an efficient suspension like KS link. That's what gets me up the trial faster.

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    Anyone got the U.S. prices yet? Interested in what the Phantom and Prime will be. I really like how refined the bikes look with the new TT.

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    Wish they'd offer this combo

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    Banshees colors always seem a little hit or miss to me but I don't mind that yellow/blue combo.

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    Does this Rock Shox fork really have a Yellow O-Ring and Rebound Knob?

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    That's my rendition of what I wouldn't mind, adjusted from the image below. Also yellow with red or orange graphics would be cool.
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