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    Good job! Willow Dells video

    Did a little technical riding in Prescott today with Tom. First time riding the Dells, but not the last It gave me a chance to ride the Firebird (Prototype this time) on some trialsy stuff as well as test out the new helmet cam. This is with the GoPro Wide if you're wondering.



    Riding the Firebird Prototype in Prescott from Ken Bennett on Vimeo.
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    Interesting. I've been out there recently on a few bikes. The "AM" bike definitely does better than the FR bike. The video about sums up the entire loop, as it's pretty complete and it takes about that long to do it. Wish there were some sustained trail sections, but there's not much vertical.

    It got me thinking though...building trails near Willow Lakes Parkway and towards (and up) Glassford hill. There's got to be some huge potential out there.
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    You and your shadow rider made it looks so easy.

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    Fantastic!!

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    We actually talked to one of the guys from the City while we were out there and that's pretty much what they're planning to do. I don't know the area well enough to know exactly where all he was talking about but they have plans to tie in to some of the existing trail network to the North (?)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit
    We actually talked to one of the guys from the City while we were out there and that's pretty much what they're planning to do. I don't know the area well enough to know exactly where all he was talking about but they have plans to tie in to some of the existing trail network to the North (?)..
    Err, I think Chris (the city guy) was probably referring to the "new land" they have that borders the place where the trail is currently, which will be more of the same for the most part. Based on what I know about what is planned, I'm pretty sure this was what he was referring to. The willow dells thing is incredibly small, and even the "new area" isn't going to be all that much bigger, not anywhere near the scale of the other places to ride around prescott. The area I'm referring to would be on a much larger scale, and it would be cool to have that same kind of riding, but with sustained uphills and downhills. The terrian exists here.
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    very nice vid, I've only been out there on my fixie and had a blast...I need to invest in some body armer, that granite is very sharp.
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    This wasn't Chris (Tom knows him, I don't), he was the guy who makes up the maps for the City. It would be nice to have some longer sections for sure though. We did the loops 2 or 3 times and did some sections both directions. All in about 2.5 hrs (plus playing around). I always wondered why they don't incorporate all the fallen trees into the existing trails. You see them all over and right beside the trail. That would "spice" things up a bit without much effort.
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    Nice vid... seems like you have to really know how wide your bars are there in a couple of sections.

    Also looks like there are a lot of creative lines to be had all around.

    Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvota
    Also looks like there are a lot of creative lines to be had all around.
    yes their are lines everywhere ...
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    Nice vid. That area looks like a lot of fun.
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    amazing..

    I've only been in and around that area on foot and rockclimbing @ Granite Dells.

    That POV camera makes it look deceptively easy. Very cool!
    Some great bike skillz you got there man!

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    Good time out there yesterday bud! The POV gives it a really unique perspective. I also hope and have spoken with the head of rec dept in PV about the possibility of stuff off the top of Glasssford Hill, that would be really super. There are plans though for more trails where we rode yesterday - so that area will only get better! Kenny makes that stuff look so easy.........

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    That area looks awesome! Looks like you could get really creative. Iíd like to take the trials bike up there once the back gets better and itís a tad warmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls36
    Kenny makes that stuff look so easy.........
    Yes he did.
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    Nice work up there. And way to show us the goodness KB.

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    Man Jeff, your back still messed up? That place could be fun with the trials bike (some spots)... You even get to ride it yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit
    Man Jeff, your back still messed up? That place could be fun with the trials bike (some spots)... You even get to ride it yet?
    Yeah, Iíve been playing around on it quite a bit. I just messed the back up a little again on it this week doing manuals. Iím just going to suck it up and not do anything requiring pulling up or back for the next few weeks.

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    Very nice video.

    Being fairly new to Prescott, I've ridden the Willow Dells area just a couple of times. Maybe you guys can tell me about something that has my curiosity piqued - what's the story behind the small pet cemetery near the first "Y"? (sorry for the hijack - just wondering)

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    Very nice, indeed. I think I rode with Tom out at GC last year. He was with helimech?

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    What a unique video. The whole shadow rider sequence is awesome! With the wide angle lens and the shadow rider effect, you get this P.O.V./second person hybrid mash-up that is quite impressive. I don't think I've seen anything like it it in any other videos.

    Good job!

    Oh yeah!, The riding is elegant and beautiful. Bullet is a pretty good choice too!

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    Yeah, the sun actually worked in our favor for most of that ride, unlike today where it was right in my face. This camera especially dislikes direct sunlight, you can't see a thing
    Bullet is a pretty cool song for sure, just about anything from Covenant is good (awesome live show too )
    Tom rides with helimech pretty regularly; he just happened to be headed to Bootleg this weekend or we'd have 3 riders in the video.
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    Ken:

    Nice job on the video, and way to find a bunch of great lines on your first time out. There's a couple there I will have to think about a bit. I probably don't have the cajones for them though.

    May I add your video to my prior Willow Dells thread so we can keep a record of the stuff all in one place?


    James:
    It is what it is. We have lots of sustained vertical here, but a dearth of technical riding, and this area addresses that (at least slow tech anyway). 8-10 miles of this stuff will give you a workout you can not believe and be super fun at the same time. It is like a nice interval workout.

    I typically ride all the trails available both forwards and backwards in about an hour, and we only have 2-3 miles thus far.

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    Yeah, its the same Tom then. If you ride with him, then I know you have an elevated skill set. I felt right at home with those two at GC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    James:
    It is what it is. We have lots of sustained vertical here, but a dearth of technical riding, and this area addresses that (at least slow tech anyway). 8-10 miles of this stuff will give you a workout you can not believe and be super fun at the same time. It is like a nice interval workout.

    I typically ride all the trails available both forwards and backwards in about an hour, and we only have 2-3 miles thus far.
    Hmm, I'd say 2 miles is the most we have, and 8-10 miles means riding it around 5 times, I just can't do that, it's totally boring after one loop in each direction. The reason I brought up glassford is that it seems like a place where you could have both technical and vertical, although we do have infinite possibilities in the surrounding mountains. Unfortunately all of the newer trails have been "super buff" as in smooth. We need some technical, but pushing your bike up a 30 foot rock to then go down gets rediculous after a few times. Maybe with the additional "trails" they add (rode the new section to the fence) there will be more and it won't be as easy to burn-out on (not in terms of endurance), but I think the efforts would be better spent ellswhere in terms of trail building. NOW I actually have some time that I could probably do some as well (just not during the middle of the day).

    IMO putting technical riding in a little 2-mile loop (straddled by highway 69 and willow creek road) is not the way to make up for the lack of technical riding in the mountains, although it is a benefit and it is nice to have.

    Yes, I want my own "South Mountain" right here in town, but being serious for a few moments, maybe sometime in the future we can do what is necessary to get some tech trails put in. Would be cool to have some sustained tech descents/climbs in Thumb Butte and there are infinite possibilities in the surrounding forest. I'd love to see two tech-ish trails: don't need to be full-blown crazy rock gardens, but some jumps and dropoffs and rocks, comming off the top of Thumb Butte. One trail goes down to the end of trail 393 near camp pearlstien, and one goes down from the top to to near where trail (road) 51 meets with Thumb Butte road near the alligator juniper. Both would connect near existing trails and offer longer climbs and descents that would make it easy to ride for a decent amount of time in TB without literally going around in tons of circles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Hmm, I'd say 2 miles is the most we have, and 8-10 miles means riding it around 5 times .
    Actually, about 10 miles of total trail is the plan. Might be a year or two, but there will be a decent amount of trail eventually.

    What I like most about the Dells are their convenience which is huge for dudes like me that might have an hour total to rush out for a quick ride. Way better than riding all the other pancake flat stuff available right in town.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Yes, I want my own "South Mountain" right here in town, but being serious for a few moments, maybe sometime in the future we can do what is necessary to get some tech trails put in. Would be cool to have some sustained tech descents/climbs in Thumb Butte and there are infinite possibilities in the surrounding forest. I'd love to see two tech-ish trails: don't need to be full-blown crazy rock gardens, but some jumps and dropoffs and rocks, comming off the top of Thumb Butte. One trail goes down to the end of trail 393 near camp pearlstien, and one goes down from the top to to near where trail (road) 51 meets with Thumb Butte road near the alligator juniper. Both would connect near existing trails and offer longer climbs and descents that would make it easy to ride for a decent amount of time in TB without literally going around in tons of circles.
    It would be very, very nice.

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    Glassford Hill would be pretty awesome. I think it's mostly private property isn't it? I did ride up past the water tank on the East side, full of bowling ball sized volcanic rocks. It looked like there might be a trail up through the canyon to the towers on top but probably un-rideable.

    We have been going out to the Dells the past couple of weekends because the mud has really sucked every where else. After going there with some riders that know the lines like Enel was talking about, it was actually a lot of fun! I am not much of a gravity techy rider, especially on my rigid SS Jabber. But I'm getting to the point where there's only a few areas I'm pushing the bike. Like that section that Enel & Dan did the video and I think Ken's latest video....there is no way in he!! I can clear that section!

    I think the Dells is a great area that you can have as much fun as you want there. No it's not fast and flowy like 305 or GB or the new trails they are building above Emmanuel Pines, but its nice to have it here in our backyard.

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    Enel; feel free to add the video wherever you want. I have it listed as "public" on vimeo so you should be able to imbed it.
    I can't wait to get back up there and give that tight section another go (the one with 4 failed attempts on the video)
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    Nice Kenny!!! way to represent Pivot bikes and the Firefox. At time 1:55 on the vid, that spot is one of my favorites. BC was great, skyline is gonna eats some dudes up on the SD course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit
    Enel; feel free to add the video wherever you want. I have it listed as "public" on vimeo so you should be able to imbed it.
    I can't wait to get back up there and give that tight section another go (the one with 4 failed attempts on the video)
    Thanks, here it is in "big" format.


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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech
    Nice Kenny!!! way to represent Pivot bikes and the Firefox. At time 1:55 on the vid, that spot is one of my favorites. BC was great, skyline is gonna eats some dudes up on the SD course.
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    That is a sweet move I am having trouble getting my head around. It is the only move in the video I have not tried before (well, that and the big roller at 3:51). I have never even seen it for that matter. Looks hairy.

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    I'm still trying to find the preference settings on my vimeo acct. You'd think it would be somewhat obvious but....
    Oh yeah, I don't know why I didn't think of it while we were there but that steep roll in would be a sweet quarter pipe shot. Come in from way out to get speed and see how much air you get
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    kenny, you got a motor on that bike cause you were blasting up some of those sections...braaaaaap. love the gopro wide, I think that will be my next helmet cam. I love those trails and look forward to some expansions. I love just hiking around and finding the gnar gnar lines. Can't wait to get back up there again.

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    Man that Firebird really does feel like cheating. It's the same feel as my Canfield but more plush and a more progressive stroke as well. You get traction in some pretty sketchy stuff with it...
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    Mad skillz Ken!

    +1 on the great video. I also loved your shadow (riding partner).

    I found myself doing this everytime your entire front wheel was visible (as in oh ****, he did not just huck that!)

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    that is a dope vid Ken! that little area reminds me a of Lynn Woods in Boston.

    very cool that Prescott is developing trails like this. Major props to all involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    That is a sweet move I am having trouble getting my head around. It is the only move in the video I have not tried before (well, that and the big roller at 3:51). I have never even seen it for that matter. Looks hairy.
    Both of those are fun, the one at 3:51 takes some commitment or certain paingggg . Give em a try . I can do those, but can't clean some of those tech climbs that you and Dan do. Have fun on friday.
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    Hey Mike, you ever try the quarter-pipe thing on that roller? I think it could be doable and would look cool as hell. You just don't get too many natural setups like that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    That is a sweet move I am having trouble getting my head around. It is the only move in the video I have not tried before (well, that and the big roller at 3:51). I have never even seen it for that matter. Looks hairy.
    It's not bad, but it's a b*tch to try and keep your momentum and actually ride up onto it. I've not been able to "keep going" up that, it's hard enough just for me to get up the initial part. This morning it was COLD. There were some ladies out on the trails and they remembered you Eric (cause they said the guy had a big full-face mask and rode it twice).

    The hardest one for me is at :18, that passage is way too narrow for my handlebars, and it's pretty hard to hop up a big rock when you're already going uphill. I figure if I can weave my front wheel past, mayby stop and hop the rear end around, but other than that it seems that he somehow trialed over that. That's the most challenging one IMO, but that may sound wierd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    It's not bad, but it's a b*tch to try and keep your momentum and actually ride up onto it.
    Must be the DW

    Gotta admit, that Firebird looks like a sweet ride.

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    I'm with you Jayem, that first section is much tougher than it looks. I cleaned it once but all the other runs were either stalls or really sloppy. That one's on my list for next trip as well. Oh yeah, the DW link does help a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech
    Both of those are fun, the one at 3:51 takes some commitment or certain paingggg . Give em a try . I can do those, but can't clean some of those tech climbs that you and Dan do. Have fun on friday.
    I went out there today, filled with local pride, intent on replicating all of Ken's moves.

    Lordy.

    Ken, you must worry your mother sick.

    There is no way on earth I will ever try those high, high commitment moves at 1:50, or the roller at 3:51

    I got up to the top of the 1:50 move without difficulty, but diving off that 10 foot drop is way more than my nads can handle. It's like rolling into a deep swimming pool. Video does simply no justice to it. For that matter, the video of Dan and me does no justice to the difficulty and pucker factor of the moves we were doing. They look like nothing.

    Anyway, hats off Ken.

    I did one slow run both ways, hitting the harder moves until I cleaned them (with a few exceptions). Then I did a second run hitting all the trails, forwards and backwards. Takes around 35 minutes to ride everything both ways in "flow" mode. I am worked over. The climbs are intense and steep, but short. The longest sustained downhill is about a minute long.

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    Well, that roll in at 1:50ish was a bit hairy. I wasn't too worried since there was just dirt at the bottom instead of rocks. That was one of the things I really wanted to try that bike out on though so I kinda had to do it right? As for the steep roll in, it's WAY easier than it looks. That line is mainly a mind game; you have plenty of runout and it's a nice arc too. I may head back up there this weekend, have to see how things go...
    edit: I did finally find the sizing option for the video.
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    Great vid. What song was that ? (great tune). Thx

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    The tune's "Bullet" by Covenant..They have TONS of great stuff. Check 'em out here;http://www.metropolis-records.com/ar...rtist=covenant
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    Will a Firebird replace the Canfield?

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    Yep, I already have my frame at the shop; just have to get around to building it up (we're super busy getting these bikes out). The Canfield will stay "In the family" though. One of my friends is buying it from me.
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    who was the music by?
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    Music is "Bullet" by Covenant. Here's the link to their label's site. Lots of cool Industrial/Electronic stuff there and they have samples of most of them.
    http://www.metropolis-records.com/ar...rtist=covenant
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