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    Whiskey Off Road is marked

    I was out on the Whiskey course today. All of the trail is marked. You will have to get yourself on to Copper Basin Road and back to town on Thumb Butte road. The rest of it is marked. 15ers make a right on Copper Basin and go to the lookout, don't go on 48. Markings should be pretty easy to figure out. The flags are on the INSIDE of the corners. One before, one in the apex and one after the corner. That is assuming no one pulls the markers.
    I also did a little work on one of the water bar sections on 48. I will be working 260 this week. Enjoy, SHU

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHU
    I was out on the Whiskey course today. All of the trail is marked. You will have to get yourself on to Copper Basin Road and back to town on Thumb Butte road. The rest of it is marked. 15ers make a right on Copper Basin and go to the lookout, don't go on 48. Markings should be pretty easy to figure out. The flags are on the INSIDE of the corners. One before, one in the apex and one after the corner. That is assuming no one pulls the markers.
    I also did a little work on one of the water bar sections on 48. I will be working 260 this week. Enjoy, SHU
    Are you supposed to continue on trail 367 to 326 and then come out on Thumb Butte road, or we supposed to take one of the little side-trails off of 367 to get onto Thumb Butte Road? (like where the cattle guard used to be?).
    Trail 367 essentially turns into 326, which is where I'm confused.
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    Follow the "creekside" trail or 367 until it turns into 326. Take 326 until it hits Thumb Butte Road right by the park. This is the section where the flags usually dissappear prior to the race. We have stickers on them asking people not to remove them. Hopefully that will work.

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    Thanks SHU.

    Did you mark the appropriate spot for me to stop and puke?

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    If you don't puke by the top of 48, I may start to question your level of commitment to this sport. HA HA

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHU
    I also did a little work on one of the water bar sections on 48. I will be working 260 this week. Enjoy, SHU
    I'm curious as to what kind of work you are doing. Tinkering with the course right before the race? Is this necessary or even ethical? Should we just be working on bringing our riding skills up to the level of the course instead of altering the course? How big of a surprise are people that have been pre-riding in for once you work these trails?

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    I don't think I've ever seen a skilled person work on a trail and purposely make it more difficult instead of safer, Rolling Thunder. SHU is employed by Epic Rides to make the course safe and fun. No need to worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingThunder
    Tinkering with the course right before the race?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by RollingThunder
    Is this necessary or even ethical?
    Yes and yes

    Quote Originally Posted by RollingThunder
    Should we just be working on bringing our riding skills up to the level of the course instead of altering the course?
    No

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    How big of a surprise are people that have been pre-riding in for once you work these trails?
    Huge.

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    Thunder, I appreciate your concern for the trail as well as the validity of the event itself. Myself and a friend are responsible for the initial course design as well as the multiple re-routes through the years. I have been working on the course for the past 6 years with the approval of the Prescott National Forest and Epic Rides. My primary focus is to remove blown down trees and some of the LOOSE rocks. The goal is to have a more enjoyable event for all. The winters here are not that bad, but they are bad enough to bring lots of loose rocks down the slopes and on to the trails. I am not sweeping the course or making it too easy. If you have done any of the past years events you know that this trail is always challenging. I assusre you that the work I do is LEGAL, ETHICAL, and NICE. We should always be working on bringing up our skill level, I agree. The only surprise people who have pre-ridden will have is a marked improvement in course conditions. Cheers,SHU

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    Of course. I was more worried that it was getting watered down. No biggie. Just curious. The course seems fine the way it is to me. So you do have the option of killing yourself by going too fast down 260 hitting a cantaloupe sized rock and landing in a cactus, but you also have the option of just slowing down a bit!

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    Cool beans. Thanks SHU. I'm especially glad the trees are gone. I was considering volunteering to do that myself a few weeks ago, then...they vanished without me lifting a finger! And I agree, good idea to have a safe course with so many people of varying experience levels out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by SHU
    Thunder, I appreciate your concern for the trail as well as the validity of the event itself. I have been working on the course for the past 6 years with the approval of the Prescott National Forest and Epic Rides. My primary focus is to remove blown down trees and some of the LOOSE rocks. The goal is to have a more enjoyable event for all. The winters here are not that bad, but they are bad enough to bring lots of loose rocks down the slopes and on to the trails. I am not sweeping the course or making it too easy. If you have done any of the past years events you know that this trail is always challenging. I assusre you that the work I do is LEGAL, ETHICAL, and NICE. We should always be working on bringing up our skill level, I agree. The only surprise people who have pre-ridden will have is a marked improvement in course conditions. Cheers,SHU

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    Thanks Shu for your work and efforts! Also, congrats on the 20th place finish at the Sea Otter!

    Good luck this weekend.

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    Thanks for the work SHU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingThunder
    I'm curious as to what kind of work you are doing. Tinkering with the course right before the race? Is this necessary or even ethical? Should we just be working on bringing our riding skills up to the level of the course instead of altering the course? How big of a surprise are people that have been pre-riding in for once you work these trails?
    Do you realize that the race incorperates some brand new trail, like only a few weeks old?

    The end of trail 48 (where the downhill waterbar-switchbacks are before the 260 intersection) was looking pretty bad, a lot has been eroded. Not sure if there's any "fix", but it's not like it was a few years ago. There used to be water bars, but people just rode around them, ruts formed, and now it's just a big vertical gully. More rideable for more people I guess. That was the ONLY place where the trail kind of sucked, but it's one of those sections where there's not much you can do. No deadfall on the entire route, great trail conditions (last weekend) and my pre-ride was fantastic.

    Anyhow, there are enough waterbars on trail 48 to keep anyone happy, it's not going to be "dumbed down".
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    SHU - Thanks for your efforts...let me know where the tip jar is...or where you're accepting handouts (beer)...after the event...
    Ride more; post less...

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    Thanks

    I'll be riding it for the first time Saturday, so thanks to all who have worked to make it safer for people like me.

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    SHU...Thanks, good to see you out there hard at it

    Biff master..good luck to you, and have fun!
    I'll be working the Copper Basin road X-ing

    Cheers everyone
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    Thanks SHU, also I am now nervous for saturdays ride.

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    Well Mr. SHU,....

    Quote Originally Posted by SHU
    Thunder, I appreciate your concern for the trail as well as the validity of the event itself. Myself and a friend are responsible for the initial course design as well as the multiple re-routes through the years. I have been working on the course for the past 6 years with the approval of the Prescott National Forest and Epic Rides. My primary focus is to remove blown down trees and some of the LOOSE rocks. The goal is to have a more enjoyable event for all. The winters here are not that bad, but they are bad enough to bring lots of loose rocks down the slopes and on to the trails. I am not sweeping the course or making it too easy. If you have done any of the past years events you know that this trail is always challenging. I assusre you that the work I do is LEGAL, ETHICAL, and NICE. We should always be working on bringing up our skill level, I agree. The only surprise people who have pre-ridden will have is a marked improvement in course conditions. Cheers,SHU
    ...it seems you're in the lime light! I'm sure everyone appreciates your involvement with the trail system out there. Sorry to say don't think there will be the contension of riders representing Sonoma Cty Norcal that visited you last year for the event. Definitely miss trying to keep up with you on them Prescutt trails.

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