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    How many of you think something should be done to stop the apparent sexual activity going on at Sodomy Gulch and/or the Dreamy Draw lot of T100?

    I am fairly liberal and such and am pro-gay marriage, etc. However, I don't like the atmosphere at Sodomy Gulch. Should I just avoid it and move on or should the current situation bother me more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I am fairly liberal and such and am pro-gay marriage, etc. However, I don't like the atmosphere at Sodomy Gultch.
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    I could care if it is hetero, gay or other but
    go to a bar or myspace for crissakes.
    Get the phuck outta the park with that sh!t.
    The park needs to crack down (pun intended).

    A few well placed phone calls to the park and a news station could be rather effective...
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    This thread is gay.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    Seriously, such an envionment/activity on public property is not good.

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    How about a bike patrol?

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    The Dirdir doth protest too much, methinks.

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    Same here, very liberal, don't really give a crap what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom... That being said, keep it out of the parks. I thought Papago was bad, sounds like this place is worse. I would call the Rangers/Police if I saw it happening, activity of that type doesn't belong in a park, hetero, or gay especially if there are families/kids present. At least find a airport bathroom or something....

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    You mean those people aren't hiking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdog
    You mean those people aren't hiking?
    Nope, they are playing leap frog... and...not....quite....making.....it.....

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    Sodomy Gulch? I thought that growling/moaning I heard was Dirdir's cougar...

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    I suggest 21 foot paralell parking on only one side of the road. I will cut the sodomy rate by one half at least. You could also hand out fliers at the entrance warning that gay sex leads to adult diapers.

    Actually, leave'm be. More PR would only act as advertisement.

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    Amazing to me how many people know about this weird stuff going on back there. I can't imagine that the rangers/police don't know about this going on, yet they have no problem with this indecent behavior taking place. What's next a Senator in the crapper on the hill reaching under the stall?
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    Why couldn’t it be all hot chicks of different flavors parking backwards waiting for post ride mtb riders?

    Ok, in all seriousness, it is kind of creepy. I could care less what others do but it should not be in the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbrous
    Amazing to me how many people know about this weird stuff going on back there. I can't imagine that the rangers/police don't know about this going on, yet they have no problem with this indecent behavior taking place. What's next a Senator in the crapper on the hill reaching under the stall?
    They know. I am pretty sure that they need to catch someone in the act to make an arrest.

    I think the police should patrol the area on foot for a week or two. Get two cops to essentially walk down Sodomy Gulch and back all day looking for activity. That may get the message out.
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    I know how this sounds... but are you just saying the area around Dreamy Draw? I would guess somewhere around the underpass...

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    Whip out your camera and take a few pics... that'll clear the gulch in a hurry .+

    I agree with a tip to a few news stations... a camera truck in the parking lot will move them on... but to where I guess is the question.

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    Any explicit enforcement would be politically unacceptable. They know they just choose not to enforce it, kinda like the immigration thing, too hot of a political potato to do anything but grin and ignore.

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    Would it not be the park rangers responsibility to control such inappropriate actions?

    Absolutely not a liberal! Yet could careless what one does in their private bedroom. Just don't tell me I "have" to approve of it. Personal choices works both ways!
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    the thing that bothers me most is that three of you have said, "i could care less."

    it's "i COULDN'T care less.




    ok. carry on.

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    Yeah, if the park gets enough calls (or the visit from the TV station) they will have to enforce it. But I unfortunately agree that they probably aren't cracking down b/c it would be too much of a political issue. I've been thinking about a t100 night ride lately.....this just changed my mind....bummer
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdudecycling
    I've been thinking about a t100 night ride lately.....this just changed my mind....bummer
    Might as well stay inside with the doors locked. I have ridden T100 many times and don't even know where this area is! I'm more worried about all the rattlesnakes around the 40th trail head area then of some sickos playing find the snake.

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    Parks knows it is an issue. Police knows its an issue and local media has covered this in the past. NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH IT. I rode there today and parked at DD parking lot. There were as many guys wandering in and out of the parking lot on foot as there were people there getting ready to ride.

    Police will do a under cover sting there every few months, make a few arrests and the activity dies down for a week. Then it fires back up and life goes back to normal. Not knocking the rangers, but there are just not enough of them to go around, and they would need to call the police to have them make an arrest. If you want to make a stink about this, keep calling the police. The more calls they get, the more resources they put on the problem.

    It is unacceptable that this is allowed to continue to happen. Some of my friends that have lived here for 20+ years joke about this going on forever.

    Would you take your kids for a hike at Dreamy or Papago?

    Think about it.

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    You're right, you're right....I think I was just looking for an excuse to not get in some exercise.
    (fatcyclist was already taken so I went with big dude.....it also helps protect the ego...or it supports the continued lie I tell myself when I order a pizza).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo
    Whip out your camera and take a few pics... that'll clear the gulch in a hurry .+

    I agree with a tip to a few news stations... a camera truck in the parking lot will move them on... but to where I guess is the question.
    Or you can use the pics to extort some $$$ outta all those dudes.

    Dirdir you'd have the funds to open your own bike shop in no time and show the LBSs here how its supposed to be done
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    Kind of funny to do a night ride and have six of us on MTB's with HID's go bombing through there and see all the people jumping out...
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    I have witnessed the Dreamy Draw love tunnel action this first hand. About 3 years ago I was doing a midweek evening ride (not quite dark yet) I had stopped for a breather in that really green area between the freeway underpass and the concrete path tunnel. So I'm standing there drinking from my Camelback, spacing out a bit and noticed movement in the bushes. I'm staring at these trees cause I think I see an animal or something, can't make it out though. At this point I was clueless about the area's reputation and would have been startled even if I noticed somebody just sitting in the bush no matter what they were doing. Anyway, all of the sudden my brain suddenly comprehended what I was looking at. TWO DUDES, one standing and the OTHER WITH A MOUTHFUL O' JUNK. I made eye contact with the "lucky" one who was looking right at me not giving a damn that I was there, probably wondering if I'm just waiting my turn. The real startling part about this was that they were like only a couple feet away from me on the other side of this bush, we were practically in a 3-some. To say I was startled would be a huge understatement, I'm pretty sure it's the same feeling one gets when they witness a brutal murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Kind of funny to do a night ride and have six of us on MTB's with HID's go bombing through there and see all the people jumping out...
    5 of us were riding through there at night about a week ago. A few scurried about looking lost, most didn't know WTF to do and had the whole deer in the headlights stare going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    How many of you think something should be done to stop the apparent sexual activity going on at Sodomy Gultch and/or the Dreamy Draw lot of T100?

    I am fairly liberal and such and am pro-gay marriage, etc. However, I don't like the atmosphere at Sodomy Gultch. Should I just avoid it and move on or should the current situation bother me more?
    [mumbling from the back row...]

    My vote: Move on - there are 100 things more important. Queesy feelings are part of life, not an imperative to raise taxes and political pressure in the futile hope of creating a completely sterilized environment where you will never suffer a negative experience.

    Are mountain bikers becoming PTA mothers now? Witnessing gay sex is akin to witnessing a brutal murder? C'mon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1
    [mumbling from the back row...]

    My vote: Move on - there are 100 things more important. Queesy feelings are part of life, not an imperative to raise taxes and political pressure in the futile hope of creating a completely sterilized environment where you will never suffer a negative experience.

    Are mountain bikers becoming PTA mothers now? Witnessing gay sex is akin to witnessing a brutal murder? C'mon...

    These guys are breaking the law, plain and simple. Please tell me you're joking, because this is about people commiting disorderly conduct and perhaps worse. I'm not sure why you would give a pass to people that commit crimes, specifically ones that could effect children seeing porn in the making but I guess you have your reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eabos
    I have witnessed the Dreamy Draw love tunnel action first hand. .

    Ewwww that's gross

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    Quote Originally Posted by eabos
    I had stopped for a breather...
    "Stopped for a breather", eh?

    Nod nod, wink wink, know-what-I-mean, know-what-I-mean...

    Dude seriously, I'm sorry. That must have been traumatic.
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    +1 here as well. I'm very liberal on the social end of things...but not when done in public. It's against the law, and for a good reason. Everybody needs the freedom to enjoy the DD park without having to worry about seeing some dude going down on another dude.

    Have you called the park ranger? Of course they know it's going on, and if enough people complain about it, it should prompt action on their behalf. I'm sure the main issue is lack of resources, as they have a lot to do besides squashing sexual activity in the parking lot.

    If you have a contact for the city parks & rec, pass it on and I'll call myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1
    [mumbling from the back row...]

    My vote: Move on - there are 100 things more important. Queesy feelings are part of life, not an imperative to raise taxes and political pressure in the futile hope of creating a completely sterilized environment where you will never suffer a negative experience.

    Are mountain bikers becoming PTA mothers now? Witnessing gay sex is akin to witnessing a brutal murder? C'mon...
    No one is looking for a completely sanitized environment, but society needs to have some standards. Move on to what? I don't care what people do behind closed doors, but in public is another issue. Go walk through the Gulch and see the damage they do to the preserve, and the litter they leave behind. Can you say "bio-hazard?"

    Why give these people a pass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgangi

    If you have a contact for the city parks & rec, pass it on and I'll call myself.

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    Thanks Yuri. Any particular contact I should ask for?

    I'll place a call today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm
    No one is looking for a completely sanitized environment, but society needs to have some standards. Move on to what? I don't care what people do behind closed doors, but in public is another issue. Go walk through the Gulch and see the damage they do to the preserve, and the litter they leave behind. Can you say "bio-hazard?"

    Why give these people a pass?
    I don't know if it is connected, but Sodomy Gulch is one of the most heavily littered areas of T100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dewthedru
    the thing that bothers me most is that three of you have said, "i could care less."

    it's "i COULDN'T care less.




    ok. carry on.
    And I misspelled gulch about 5 times. Damn I hate that.
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    I'm surprised you're not being more lawyerly about this, Geoff.

    First off, would you feel the same way if it were a bunch of girls/women looking for faceless hookups in the dark? Or are you just squicked out by the hot man-on-man action? Have you ever felt endangered by their presence? Do you know of anyone who's been attacked or threatened? Or is this just you going "yuck, it's guys"?

    That said, there are laws in place to deal with this. Public indecency is one. You'd have to send in an undercover cop to confirm it, but solicitation might be another. Littering, obviously, but that's hard to prove.

    The issue you really don't want to pursue, or even mention in passing, is trespassing or using the park after hours. That'll target anyone who wants to use the park at night, in which case you want Parks & Rec to turn a blind eye. You have to wonder how night hikers feel about crowds of mountain bikers cruising around in the dark...moving fast, sneaking around, flashing their lights, throwing gravel everywhere.

    Believe me, I'm sympathetic. Me, I don't like having strange people lurking in the shadows when I'm trying to ride. I wouldn't like strange people lurking behind bushes in the daylight, either. The trash issue sucks; Parks & Rec is probably sympathetic to that as well, since they're the ones left to clean up the used rubbers, cigarette packages, beer cans, etc. I also believe areas where one kind of surreptitious activity is taking place usually attracts other kinds of surreptitious activity. There's already an anti-hassle shield around the place, so why not deal drugs there too?

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    I am soooooo glad I moved from Phoenix to Tucson. Though I did see two turtles making nasty on the trail, but i'm not sure about their sexual orientation. Should I still ride that trail or go somewhere else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    ...so why not deal drugs there too?
    That I have witnessed, but not nearly the story eabos has...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    I'm surprised you're not being more lawyerly about this, Geoff.

    First off, would you feel the same way if it were a bunch of girls/women looking for faceless hookups in the dark? Or are you just squicked out by the hot man-on-man action? Have you ever felt endangered by their presence? Do you know of anyone who's been attacked or threatened? Or is this just you going "yuck, it's guys"?

    That said, there are laws in place to deal with this. Public indecency is one. You'd have to send in an undercover cop to confirm it, but solicitation might be another. Littering, obviously, but that's hard to prove.

    The issue you really don't want to pursue, or even mention in passing, is trespassing or using the park after hours. That'll target anyone who wants to use the park at night, in which case you want Parks & Rec to turn a blind eye. You have to wonder how night hikers feel about crowds of mountain bikers cruising around in the dark...moving fast, sneaking around, flashing their lights, throwing gravel everywhere.

    Believe me, I'm sympathetic. Me, I don't like having strange people lurking in the shadows when I'm trying to ride. I wouldn't like strange people lurking behind bushes in the daylight, either. The trash issue sucks; Parks & Rec is probably sympathetic to that as well, since they're the ones left to clean up the used rubbers, cigarette packages, beer cans, etc. I also believe areas where one kind of surreptitious activity is taking place usually attracts other kinds of surreptitious activity. There's already an anti-hassle shield around the place, so why not deal drugs there too?

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    I thought about the gay aspect of this quite a bit. It is hard for me to really say why I feel the way I do. At first I didn't care, but every time I rode through the Gulch, I felt uncomfortable. Moreover, there was a slight degree of peril or endangerment to it.

    I don't think I fear hot man-on-man action. Indeed, on the contrary, under the right circumstances I may have had, or will have, such an experience.

    I don't think it is the man-on-man aspect in and of itself. It is the pickup aspect and what comes with it. So, to answer your question, I think I would feel the same. I think the atmosphere would be equally unpleasant if men were going to the Gulch to pick up women, if women were going to pick up women, or if women were going to pick up men.

    As to the law, I do not believe that just because something is against the law it is therefore wrong. I also have no problem with police turning a blind eye to certain laws and not to others. This is not really about the law, at least for me it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I thought about the gay aspect of this quite a bit. It is hard for me to really say why I feel the way I do. At first I didn't care, but every time I rode through the Gulch, I felt uncomfortable. Moreover, there was a slight degree of peril or endangerment to it.
    Aw c'mon Goeff...stop the inner war and just go with your carnal instincts. Next time you ride through, just stop, unzip. do the deed, and move on. Not only will you feel more at peace with yourself, you'll arive home in a much more relaxed state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgangi
    Aw c'mon Goeff...stop the inner war and just go with your carnal instincts. Next time you ride through, just stop, unzip. do the deed, and move on. Not only will you feel more at peace with yourself, you'll arive home in a much more relaxed state.

    I have never seen a vanity mirror while riding thru this area so I doubt this is likely.
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    I don't care who is doing who.
    Don't do it in the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KavuRider
    I don't care who is doing who.
    Don't do it in the park.
    +1

    We are over thinking this. "Don't do it in the park" works for me. We can call this the "Don't DIP" movement.
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    I think I may have rekindled this on another post, so I will pop in my opinion.

    I too am pretty damn liberal. I have friends and family members that are gay, hang out with them and I have absolutely no problem with it at all. My gay friends have related to me that the men in the parks are not truly gay. Many are married, and have sexual issues much like those of a sexual predator. That being said, it is unsafe for others in these illicit sex areas. Back in '97 when I lived in the apt's next to Papago- some guy dragged an 8 year old boy into the bushes and sexually assaulted him while the the boy and his family were on a picnic. That is f'in absurd that a poor kid can be having a great time with his family and now has this to deal with for the rest of his life.

    Not all the sicko's at DD or Papago are child molesters- but the habits they do bring may and do attract the criminals. I have actually ridden through the Gulch and there was a dude walking in the tunnel NAKED! Now when I see them there (I will not stop riding a good section of trail for them) I yell at them, tell them I am calling the rangers (and do when I see them) etc. Anything I can do to help get rid of them.

    Bottom line is these parks are ours. We should police them as such (shut up about bike patrol! ) and make them safe for us, the hikers and the kids that come there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    My gay friends have related to me that the men in the parks are not truly gay. Many are married, and have sexual issues much like those of a sexual predator.
    Agree. This is NOT a gay issue. Let's not make it one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sikwoodbiker
    I am soooooo glad I moved from Phoenix to Tucson. Though I did see two turtles making nasty on the trail, but i'm not sure about their sexual orientation. Should I still ride that trail or go somewhere else?
    You should go out to Tanque Verde Wash east of town for a hike on a sunny weekend day. It's way worse.

    I've gone out there with some Tucson locals for some bouldering and there are dudes getting it on all over the place. Plus, it's a nudist area, so they are walking around completely naked. It is one of the strangest things I have ever seen, right there in your backyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbrous
    These guys are breaking the law, plain and simple. Please tell me you're joking, because this is about people commiting disorderly conduct and perhaps worse. I'm not sure why you would give a pass to people that commit crimes, specifically ones that could effect children seeing porn in the making but I guess you have your reasons.
    It bothers me too, especially since my preferred place to park is over there. I ride 1-2/week and that's the closest trailhead for me. I just don't believe in policing every friggin' thing, especially when it has questionable effectiveness. It comes down to how we want to spend our limited dollars, and we may disagree - that's fine. Yesterday saw budget cuts for the County, including MCAO's Major Crimes division, where I work. Sheriff Joe has what, 3 deputies tasked for rounding up the 70,000 folks with outstanding felony warrants?

    Instead of continual undercover operation$, perhaps smaller measures could be done on the cheap, perhaps even citizen action. You think they could at least put up signs banning cars from parking backwards, especially in a state that doesn't require a front license plate.

    Would people be as upset if it was underage high schoolers running back there?

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    Think about this.. If driven from the current areas, where will they land next ? Maybe a more populated area with more exposure to children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo
    Think about this.. If driven from the current areas, where will they land next ? Maybe a more populated area with more exposure to children.

    I say we drive them right back where they belong...on the internet. They don't need to meet at a park just to have sex...they could use the internet to communicate then hook up for the nasty at say a hotel? These people doing this are like addicts that need their fix, and they need their fix immediately! They are sick sick sobs and they need to get their sexual urges and lives under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    +1

    We are over thinking this. "Don't do it in the park" works for me. We can call this the "Don't DIP" movement.
    I agree. I don't care if its guy on guy, guy on girl, girl on girl or guy on whatever he can pin down. I don't want to see it in a park. I could possibly tolerate girl on girl if they were both REALLY hot.................. ....kidding! Got to be equitable in the enforcement of public indecency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1
    [mumbling from the back row...]

    My vote: Move on - there are 100 things more important. Queesy feelings are part of life, not an imperative to raise taxes and political pressure in the futile hope of creating a completely sterilized environment where you will never suffer a negative experience.

    Are mountain bikers becoming PTA mothers now? Witnessing gay sex is akin to witnessing a brutal murder? C'mon...

    I tend to agree with you actually about the sterilized environment, efforts to stop everything out of the "norm" are going too far. BUT a park isn't the proper place to be droppin' loads no matter kind of sex you're into. When most people think of parks they associate it with a safe place for children to play, it really should stay that way. Gay make out sessions are one thing (who really cares) but full on sex in a public place takes it to a creepy level.

    My brutal murder comment was meant more as a joke than anything but it was startling. The gay part of it was only the icing on the cake. I was so shocked due to the cummulative effect of several factors:

    1. It was dusk and that place is heavily vegetated to the point that the trees create a canopy over the trail. I'm not necessarily afraid of the dark but it's still creepy.

    2. I noticed something moving in the bushes. Mostly curious but still cautious.

    3. Have you ever had someone 2-3 feet away from you for a period of time and not noticed them there? When a person suddenly "appears" it's unsettling.

    4. Then I notice there's some love making going on. This would be an expected site had I been at Mustang Ranch or Pwrtrainer's mom's house, but not in the middle of the desert.

    5. Then I see that it's two dudes. Again, I would expect this if I were at Pwrtrainer's house but not here.

    6. The dude was staring at me.

    With the way that all happened, yes it did freak me out even though I wasn't in any danger. That incident didn't keep me from riding that area again though......at least not without cash....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbrous
    I say we drive them right back where they belong...on the internet. They don't need to meet at a park just to have sex...they could use the internet to communicate then hook up for the nasty at say a hotel? These people doing this are like addicts that need their fix, and they need their fix immediately! They are sick sick sobs and they need to get their sexual urges and lives under control.
    I'm guessing the "public" aspect is a big part of the thrill. Also makes it free.

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    Seriously, this all falls under "public indecency." Call the cops if you want it cracked down on -- it's not really a Parks & Rec issue. Just an occasional squad car drive-through in the lot would probably shut the whole thing down.

    Unfortunately, this sort of scene has a long history in the gay community. It'll just move somewhere else. The cops are almost certainly aware of it @ Dreamy Draw; they may prefer it stay there rather than show up in a more heavily trafficked park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eabos
    I tend to agree with you actually about the sterilized environment, efforts to stop everything out of the "norm" are going too far. BUT a park isn't the proper place to be droppin' loads no matter kind of sex you're into.
    I agree. I think we all agree on it being a problem.

    I'm just not convinced there's a cost-effective solution. I didn't vote for the friggin' light rail either or any number of things. I only think government should interfere with our lives unless it is clear they are going to make a significant improvement, not just so the community can feel they've drawn an admirable moral line.

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    Citizen action is exactly what it will take. Not violence- but showing that we are not happy with illicit activity in our parks.
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    I would even be happier if they were a little better at concealing it by hiking out further where no one is. The fact of the matter is they are doing it on a pretty part of trail, close to a lot where children frequent. Then there is the garbage issue which may be in part to the gully's proximity to the freeway (washes are natural areas for windblown trash to end up) but I doubt many used rubbers are blowing off the freeway.

    Calling them fags to thier face is not a good way to do it- call them pole smokers, perverts, sickos are just call out that you are calling the cops. (BTW- Fun thing to do- Yell as you enter the area- cops are coming like you are concerned and watch them scurry like roaches!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Seriously, this all falls under "public indecency." Call the cops if you want it cracked down on -- it's not really a Parks & Rec issue.

    This is what Phx parks web site says to do:

    Report suspicious activity to Park Rangers or to Crime Stop at (602) 262-6151.

    It's their issue all right, but they probably don't have the people to do anything about it. I'm sure they call in the police, and police gives them the run around, but they are the ones that are responsible for the park. Also, I don't know about AZ, but in some instances Park Rangers are able to charge people with misdemeanors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B

    The issue you really don't want to pursue, or even mention in passing, is trespassing or using the park after hours. That'll target anyone who wants to use the park at night, in which case you want Parks & Rec to turn a blind eye.


    p.

    DD is bad for this, but PHX has a lot of catchinng up to do to get up to the level that goes on back in the Boston area. what does that say about red sox fans....i don't know.

    My point. the powers that be have take the exact approach that Paul warns about. they blindly tow any car parked in the lots after dark or along the roads in the state forests. what else can they really do? if you have no place to park then it's harder for this action to take place.

    obviuosly there are other places to park around T100/DD. and adn MTBer would just ride his bike. but back east they also have police partol the roadsthat go though the riding areas. and will detain/ticket anyone they find there afterdark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianc
    they blindly tow any car parked in the lots after dark or along the roads in the state forests. what else can they really do? if
    The illegal activity is taking place day and night. The day activity is significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA Monkeybutt
    Why couldn’t it be all hot chicks of different flavors parking backwards waiting for post ride mtb riders?

    Ok, in all seriousness, it is kind of creepy. I could care less what others do but it should not be in the park.
    There's not enough funding in the city park budget for that..
    but then again a man can dream cant he!?

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