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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Revenge of the Flagstaff Enduro less than one month out!

    Hey MTBRers-

    The Arizona Snowbowl Revenge of the Flagstaff Enduro is less than a month away, September 22 and 23.

    We are wanting to fill all 200 spots. Registration is good so far, but we'll need more folks to get to 200.

    This year we are offering 8 stages, and more descent than last year.

    Registration is $150 and includes:

    *A rad baseball style t-shirt (must be entered by September 2nd)
    *5 Raffle tickets to win a $1000 Specialized Spending Spree at Absolute Bikes
    *Two catered meals by Fratelli Pizza and Bigfoot BBQ
    *Pro Purse sponsored by Arizona Snowbowl $500/$200/$100 Men's and Women's
    *Product prizes three deep in all categories with 5 or more racers
    *Shuttle bus
    *All net proceeds go to the Flagstaff Family Food Center and the Fort Tuthill Bike Park

    Come on up to Flagstaff a get one more shred in before it gets too cold!

    Go to http://www.flagstaffenduro.com for more info and to register!

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    I did this event last year and it was a blast. Best Enduro in the state in my opinion. Scheduling issues prevents me from doing it this year, but if there is one Enduro you plan to do this is it. Some faster/smoothish trails and some good chunky stuff too. Hours of Stage time vs just minutes. You will get tired on some of the DH runs so get your legs prepped for 20+ minute DH runs withe dropper down.


    DO IT!
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    Probably not a great choice for a first foray into races, but it's kinda hard to tell since the website gives zero info on the course or how the race even works.

    "Courses will be published on September 12, 2018."

    Not gonna shuffle work schedules, fork out $150, and submit myself to a slogfest without at least knowing trail info. =)

    Edit: Missed this page on my previous clickfest:
    https://www.absolutebikes.net/flagst...descriptions/#

    Still pretty vague, but at least it's some sorta ballpark I guess.

    Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau View Post
    Probably not a great choice for a first foray into races, but it's kinda hard to tell since the website gives zero info on the course or how the race even works.

    "Courses will be published on September 12, 2018."

    Not gonna shuffle work schedules, fork out $150, and submit myself to a slogfest without at least knowing trail info. =)

    Edit: Missed this page on my previous clickfest:
    https://www.absolutebikes.net/flagst...descriptions/#

    Still pretty vague, but at least it's some sorta ballpark I guess.

    Hmm...
    Enduro course tradtionally are not published. However last year it was the following

    Day 1
    Start at Snowbowl Parking Lot
    Stage 1 - Snow bowl 'Nature loop" Down to Arizona Trail and Az trail to snow bowl road.
    Distance 6 miles 1,500 DH took me 27 mintues. - Super super fun.
    Stage 2 - Upper moto = 1.3 miles 500 ft DH - 10 min of super chunky tech fest
    Stage 3 - Lower moto = 1 mile 400 ft DH - 7 min or so. an XC DH, but fast and flower
    transitions in between with shuttle back to Snow bowl to get your car

    Day 2
    Pedal up to top Elden from Fort Valley
    Stage 1 - Sunset from TV towers down through catwalk and hobbit forest to little bear Jct - 1.5 miles and about 10 min for me
    Stage 2 - Little bear from top to bottom 3.5 miles and 850 ft
    Stave 3 - Schultz from top to turn off to Fort Valley


    I assume some of these stages will remain, but they will add 1 more each day. Not sure what will be added or removed, but it gives you and idea.

    Like all enduro races you race against the clock starting at 1 min to 30 second intervals. Day 2 start order was defined by day 1 times for stage 4 and 5. Stage 6 had transit in between and was self select. Same for stage 2 on day 2, Stage 3 was close to stage 2 end so really the same order.
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    You are not helping me with my goals of fiscal responsibility! =)

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    Not posting the trail info is par the norm. But it's not that complicated. Snowbowl is a major sponsor and the race will start there. After that, the course will likely be similar to last year with two additional stages. http://forums.mtbr.com/arizona/flags...o-1055256.html

    There's really not that many options for system trails that work logistically for an enduro.

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    How many people are currently signed up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan man View Post
    How many people are currently signed up?


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    Everybody always wants to know that, and they won't sign up if the number is low, even a month out. I am going to answer it, even if it can be self-defeating.

    There are 53 people signed up right now, plus two sponsors/comped entries not included, so 55. This is ahead of last year when we wound up with 90 total.

    If you don't sign up because you don't think that's enough people, then the number will be even lower day-of than if you had signed up, (this times the number of people who don't sign up because of low early entry numbers.)

    I am gonna toot my own horn a little and say this is a great race. I got zero complaints and 90 happy riders last year. I'd like to have 200 happy riders this year. I have been promoting and helping to put on mountain bike, (and other cycling), events for 20 years, and I think we do a great job. I promise you'll love the courses and the vibe of the whole event.

    Proceeds this year are going to help finish up the Fort Tuthill Bike Park. After this, if the race is worthwhile for me to continue to put on, proceeds will go to trail maintenance and construction in Flagstaff, and we have some great stuff in the pipe on that front.

    PLEASE COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE SCENE SO THE SCENE CAN SUPPORT YOU!

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    Thanks JoePAz! We'll miss you this time.

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    I'm in. When else can bomb Flag system trails at race pace and not be a dick? Too much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    I'm in. When else can bomb Flag system trails at race pace and not be a dick? Too much fun.
    Flag is really the ideal place for an Enduro. So any chance you get to do an Enduro in flag should be "MUST ATTEND" if you are into the Enduro thing. I am mostly an XC guy and decided to dabble in Enduro and it was fun. I brought a Santa Cruz 5010 with 130 F /125 rear travel 68 deg HA and dropper post. Pretty close to a perfect bike for this, but I saw bikes from HT (not really the best choice) to 6" Enduro bikes. Some stages will favor pedaling and turning. Others will favor getting through chunk. All favor skill and fitness combined. Just like an enduro should. No gaps or big jumps last year. Not sure what might be in store for 2018 year. If you are solid technical rider it is worth shot. Worst case is you near the end of the group and if you start later in the order passing should not be too bad. I got passed a few times and passed others at times. Most were really good since if you catch your "minute" man you are clearly faster and if you get caught you are slower so most are happy to complete the passing.

    And if you think 150 is expensive consider it is two days with food and some swag. Not really that bad. considering. What $75 per day?
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    Thanks Joe!

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    Revenge of the Flagstaff Enduro less than one month out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Everybody always wants to know that, and they won't sign up if the number is low, even a month out. I am going to answer it, even if it can be self-defeating.

    There are 53 people signed up right now, plus two sponsors/comped entries not included, so 55. This is ahead of last year when we wound up with 90 total.

    If you don't sign up because you don't think that's enough people, then the number will be even lower day-of than if you had signed up, (this times the number of people who don't sign up because of low early entry numbers.)

    I am gonna toot my own horn a little and say this is a great race. I got zero complaints and 90 happy riders last year. I'd like to have 200 happy riders this year. I have been promoting and helping to put on mountain bike, (and other cycling), events for 20 years, and I think we do a great job. I promise you'll love the courses and the vibe of the whole event.

    Proceeds this year are going to help finish up the Fort Tuthill Bike Park. After this, if the race is worthwhile for me to continue to put on, proceeds will go to trail maintenance and construction in Flagstaff, and we have some great stuff in the pipe on that front.

    PLEASE COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE SCENE SO THE SCENE CAN SUPPORT YOU!
    Iím def in. Never done anything of this sort but love riding the Flag trails. Should be a blast!


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    Thanks Dan!

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    Canít wait! The trails are in great condition, should be an epic weekend.

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    Iím signed up too. First mountain bike race ever after 25 years of riding.

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    Thanks to everyone who has signed up early! Until you put on an event, you can't really know how nice it is that some folks commit in advance and make your efforts feel worthwhile.

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    Is this like a beerduro? Timed stages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Is this like a beerduro? Timed stages?
    A formal version of Beerduro. Remember Beerduro was modeled after Enduro races, but with little formality. So if have done a Beerduro it works much the same, but is official. There no beer chug though. That is for after the day back at camp with your buddies.
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    What JoePAz said, but strictly BYOB.

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    NO CHUG.... I'm out

    Just kidding. I'm to slow to race.

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    Man, Iím booked with three other events that weekend. Iím super bummed because I had such a blast at the Super D Anthony and the crew put on back in May. Have fun everybody. And if youíre on the fence about signing up, get to it!!!
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    Any enduro is a beerduro if youíre adventurous enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevs View Post
    Any enduro is a beerduro if youíre adventurous enough...
    U want a cookie?
    Make Flagstaff RAD Again.

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    Thanks for reminding your corner marshals to advise other users that the routes/trails you're using are not "closed" during the race. I encountered a couple of apparently confused volunteer stewards tending to key intersections during last year's event that were rather insistent that I was not permitted to ride recreationally on course segments during the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler View Post
    Thanks for reminding your corner marshals to advise other users that the routes/trails you're using are not "closed" during the race. I encountered a couple of apparently confused volunteer stewards tending to key intersections during last year's event that were rather insistent that I was not permitted to ride recreationally on course segments during the race.
    If one is adaptable in their choice of trails for the weekend the race could be avoided altogether by simply riding east of Schultz Pass Road on Saturday and west of Schultz Pass Rd on Sunday. No fuss no muss.

    edit to add: might make more sense now that the course maps have been announced. https://www.absolutebikes.net/flagstaff-enduro/maps/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    If one is adaptable in their choice of trails for the weekend the race could be avoided altogether by simply riding east of Schultz Pass Road on Saturday and west of Schultz Pass Rd on Sunday. No fuss no muss.

    edit to add: might make more sense now that the course maps have been announced. https://www.absolutebikes.net/flagstaff-enduro/maps/
    Or one could go to PHX for the weekend and catch NiN and Alice and Chains on Friday and Saturday....to each his/her own! I think I will have to throw in on this for next year....really cool layout and the folks I've talked to who did this last year are super positive on the event. It takes a lot to put stuff like this on, so if you can, you should!




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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    If one is adaptable in their choice of trails for the weekend the race could be avoided altogether by simply riding east of Schultz Pass Road on Saturday and west of Schultz Pass Rd on Sunday. No fuss no muss.

    edit to add: might make more sense now that the course maps have been announced. https://www.absolutebikes.net/flagstaff-enduro/maps/
    Hmmm. Ya know, I don't think I've never actually gone for a ride in the woods above my house and not just kinda let the trail tell me where I'm going as I get there. I like that about these woods. Kinda like I like walking into my garage on a given morning and letting my bikes "tell" me which one I should ride that day. Nevertheless, while I find your suggestion thoroughly cosmo-karmically un-Zen, I will promise to ponder it for the next few days and try to imagine if an intentionally pre-planned ride route is something I can fit into my headspace for the weekend. However, I can make no guarantees and wish to reserve the right to ride where I choose when I choose regardless of other peoples' permits, perceived "rights", bold self-assertions, or openly carried sidearms (see also: Protiva).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler View Post
    Hmmm. Ya know, I don't think I've never actually gone for a ride in the woods above my house and not just kinda let the trail tell me where I'm going as I get there. I like that about these woods. Kinda like I like walking into my garage on a given morning and letting my bikes "tell" me which one I should ride that day. Nevertheless, while I find your suggestion thoroughly cosmo-karmically un-Zen, I will promise to ponder it for the next few days and try to imagine if an intentionally pre-planned ride route is something I can fit into my headspace for the weekend. However, I can make no guarantees and wish to reserve the right to ride where I choose when I choose regardless of other peoples' permits, perceived "rights", bold self-assertions, or openly carried sidearms (see also: Protiva).
    Not sure what a "bold self-assertion" is but there's a certain purity to that type of head space. One I rarely have time for. Generally all my rides are pre-meditated. If anything since I ride solo so much, letting wifey know where I am.

    Anyhow, for the annoyance of said trail choice spontaneity the tradeoff is the entry fees go to charity and also building the bike park. That, and I'm sure you can ride where you want. The trails are not closed during the event. Technically I don't think they can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Or one could go to PHX for the weekend and catch NiN and Alice and Chains on Friday and Saturday....to each his/her own! I think I will have to throw in on this for next year....really cool layout and the folks I've talked to who did this last year are super positive on the event. It takes a lot to put stuff like this on, so if you can, you should!
    NIN and Alice in Chains in PhD that weekend? So there.... Sorry Rockman, I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj View Post
    NIN and Alice in Chains in PhD that weekend? So there.... Sorry Rockman, I'm out.
    Matters not to me but what will MrWhlr think?

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    So what's everyone's thoughts?

    Day 1:
    AZT from Snowbowl
    West Secret
    Weatherford
    Lower Moto

    Day 2:
    Upper Sunset
    Upper Brookbank, Weenies Walk, Little Gnarly
    Lower Sunset
    Schultz

    I'm happy Upper Moto was removed, but I'm surprised Little Bear didn't make the cut. I've never ridden Weatherford, but I imagine it's similar to Secret.

    Should be a couple fun days!

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    Painful and XC oriented. Spandex on parade...
    Make Flagstaff RAD Again.

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    Yep, it's going to be pedally. But still it's Flagstaff's finest descents that are on legal trail. What's not to like?

    The MBAA enduro last weekend at Sunrise was DH-oriented with most of the vertical gain acquired on a chairlift. Sinatorj you should have signed up for that one and given Fig some competition.

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    Man, I am bummed I am going to miss this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Yep, it's going to be pedally. But still it's Flagstaff's finest descents that are on legal trail. What's not to like?

    The MBAA enduro last weekend at Sunrise was DH-oriented with most of the vertical gain acquired on a chairlift. Sinatorj you should have signed up for that one and given Fig some competition.
    Not feeliong the racing bug right now, may go out to heckle a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj View Post
    Not feeliong the racing bug right now, may go out to heckle a little.
    The rock jump on Sunset that we built (or refined into a safer feature without a sniper landing) will make for a splendid heckle zone.

    Revenge of the Flagstaff Enduro less than one month out!-sunset-rock-jump.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    The rock jump on Sunset that we built (or refined into a safer feature without a sniper landing) will make for a splendid heckle zone.

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    When did you guy do the work on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    When did you guy do the work on it?
    Flagstaff Trail Faeries had their way with it on July 22 to be precise. Also did some drain work and blocked off the unnecessary braid just below the Hobbits rock garden. In May, before the closure two stumps were removed from the top of Sunset Catwalk and the eroded rocky nonsense at the apex of the climb before the start of the DH was dumbed down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Flagstaff Trail Faeries had their way with it on July 22 to be precise. Also did some drain work and blocked off the unnecessary braid just below the Hobbits rock garden. In May, before the closure two stumps were removed from the top of Sunset Catwalk and the eroded rocky nonsense at the apex of the climb before the start of the DH was dumbed down.
    Gotcha. I was up there a month ago and was curious if it was the new improved landing I landed on. LOL It was my first time riding Elden and now it is all I can think about.

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    Does anyone know if there are water stations along the route? Were there water stations last year? The course does a fantastic job avoiding any parking lots where I could store fluid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bevs View Post
    Does anyone know if there are water stations along the route? Were there water stations last year? The course does a fantastic job avoiding any parking lots where I could store fluid.
    Maybe Anthony will chime in but I believe on day 1 there will be aid stations at the intersection of AZ trail and Moto. On day 2 for sure the top of Elden and maybe on L. Gnarly at the end of stage 6 and beginning of stage 8 (Schultz).

    Got 0.2" of rain today to firm things up.

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    Guess I just had to look a little harder:

    Official Feedzones Day 1:

    Snowbowl Road and the Arizona Trail, at the beginning of Transfer 1. (Downhill side of the road)

    End of Stage 2 at bottom of West Secret Trail

    Day 2:

    Feedzone 1 is at the top of Elden LO Road climb, just before the beginning of Stage 1

    Feedzone 2 is at Sunset Trail Head

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    This might seem obvious but feed zones will also include water, correct? I pre-rode 27 miles of the course Sunday with a 100oz bladder and a 24oz bottle and still ran out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler View Post
    Hmmm. Ya know, I don't think I've never actually gone for a ride in the woods above my house and not just kinda let the trail tell me where I'm going as I get there. I like that about these woods. Kinda like I like walking into my garage on a given morning and letting my bikes "tell" me which one I should ride that day. Nevertheless, while I find your suggestion thoroughly cosmo-karmically un-Zen, I will promise to ponder it for the next few days and try to imagine if an intentionally pre-planned ride route is something I can fit into my headspace for the weekend. However, I can make no guarantees and wish to reserve the right to ride where I choose when I choose regardless of other peoples' permits, perceived "rights", bold self-assertions, or openly carried sidearms (see also: Protiva).
    Yeah, because obstinately insisting on your right to ride through the very limited subset of the trails in the area that are being used for the race is just so very far removed from a Protiva's mindset.

    So Zen. Much karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiO2 View Post
    This might seem obvious but feed zones will also include water, correct? I pre-rode 27 miles of the course Sunday with a 100oz bladder and a 24oz bottle and still ran out.
    I'm 99% sure there would be water at the feedzones.

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    That was a massive good time. Thanks Anthony to you and the Absolute Bikes community for pulling off such a seamless event. Despite the course sabotage.

    Start of stage 5 at 9200'. Boo-yah!

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    Do tell about the sabotage.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Do tell about the sabotage.....
    What he said ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Do tell about the sabotage.....
    Nothing terribly egregious but some of the course markings were removed. Specifically signs on the Fort Valley transfer on Day 2 and there was also a directional sign for a turn on stage 6 that got pulled. That led to several riders that were not familiar with the stage to miss the turn.

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    That was a blast! Thank you very much Anthony. I met lots of great people in the pits and on the transitions and can't wait to do it again next year.

    The 9200' Elden/stage 5 sprint up rocky tech on dead legs was a total lung buster. I choked, but the rest was pure bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiO2 View Post
    That was a blast! Thank you very much Anthony. I met lots of great people in the pits and on the transitions and can't wait to do it again next year.

    The 9200' Elden/stage 5 sprint up rocky tech on dead legs was a total lung buster. I choked, but the rest was pure bliss.
    From the sounds of things I am sure most others choked too. LOL Pedaling up hill at 9200 ft is no joke.

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