Results 1 to 13 of 13
  1. #1
    RNC
    RNC is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    98

    Real Whiskey Off-Road Distances and Tire Questions

    Couple of issues that I need some expert help on:

    How long is the Whiskey 25? I have heard some say as long as 29.

    How long is the Whiskey 50? Some people have said it is 47 miles.

    My bike frame cracked a couple of days ago and I bought a new bike that is coming with some Kenda Small Block 8s (29er). It will be here one week before the race (I am doing the Whiskey 25). Will this tire hold up to the course or do I need to get some other, beefier tires? If so, what are some recommendations for some good all-around tires for a 29er?

    Thanks for any info.

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Casual Observer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    9,211
    Small Block is fine and probably ideal. For the most part, very hard packed so low profile tire is fine.

    Regarding distances, no idea, I just ride until the end.
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation: N3XUS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    22
    I live in Prescott and would definitely recommend something else. I have a friend who is riding the 25.His set up ( rigid SS 29er) kenda nevegal front, Panaracer Rampage in back.
    Who Dares Wins

  4. #4
    RNC
    RNC is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    98
    Thanks.
    I hope I can ride until the end. If I don't pace myself right, my legs hit the wall and the only thing that ends is my pedaling (serious cramping issues). If I know I have 5 miles left, I can start cranking it up a little but if I start too early, it is likely I'll never finish the race.

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation: fattirebliss's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    253
    It is actually 29 miles.......

  6. #6
    Got a suspension fork
    Reputation: randyharris's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    2,442
    I think you've got it RNC, my gps and software tell me that the 25 is actually 28.2, and that the 50 is 47. I pre-road the 25 last week and any tires you run in Phoenix will work fine in my opinion. It isn't as rough as what I ride down here, and there is some paved street sections and some fire roads.
    ONE SHOX, ONE GEAR, LOTS of FUN! www.TrailFu.com My Rides

  7. #7
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    30,440
    Once you start heading down from the overlook it's ALL downhill except for a little climb back up 323 to the top of 392. This can be a big deal though this late in the race, so don't blow up on this, but otherwise it's all downhill pretty much from the overlook (at this point the race goes FAST). Don't be like the "I can still break 4hrs" guy a few years ago on the 50 that took a wrong turn past the cop (who was yelling at him to go the right way) at the end of the race.

    Very hard packed? Not on Aspen Creek (48) and the "big" descent down 260. Not even close.

    Other areas are hardpacked (because they are roads).
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Casual Observer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    9,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Once you start heading down from the overlook it's ALL downhill except for a little climb back up 323 to the top of 392. This can be a big deal though this late in the race, so don't blow up on this, but otherwise it's all downhill pretty much from the overlook (at this point the race goes FAST). Don't be like the "I can still break 4hrs" guy a few years ago on the 50 that took a wrong turn past the cop (who was yelling at him to go the right way) at the end of the race.

    Very hard packed? Not on Aspen Creek (48) and the "big" descent down 260. Not even close.

    Other areas are hardpacked (because they are roads).
    I said "for the most part." It's been a couple years since I did it, and I did the 50, so 25 of that was all fire road. I can think of one or two places I'd want knobbier tires, probably the ones you mention above. (I'm assuming the descent you're talking about is that section with all the baby heads? Sorry, I don't know trail numbers.) From what I recall, all the stuff around TB was pretty hard packed, and the stuff after the lookout was nothing compared to the trails down here in terms of loose-ness.

    I was just commenting that I don't think one needs to go out and get a new pair of tires if you have a perfectly good pair of SB8s.
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

  9. #9
    A plethora of pinatas
    Reputation: mcoplea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,260
    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    I said "for the most part." It's been a couple years since I did it, and I did the 50, so 25 of that was all fire road. I can think of one or two places I'd want knobbier tires, probably the ones you mention above. (I'm assuming the descent you're talking about is that section with all the baby heads? Sorry, I don't know trail numbers.) From what I recall, all the stuff around TB was pretty hard packed, and the stuff after the lookout was nothing compared to the trails down here in terms of loose-ness.

    I was just commenting that I don't think one needs to go out and get a new pair of tires if you have a perfectly good pair of SB8s.
    I agree. The amount of fire road and these trails warrant a fast rolling tire like the SB8's, Bontrager RX1, WTB Nano or something similar. Last year's 50 mile winner, Andy Schultz, ran SB8's front and rear.
    Marty

  10. #10
    Elitest thrill junkie
    Reputation: Jayem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    30,440
    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    I said "for the most part." It's been a couple years since I did it, and I did the 50, so 25 of that was all fire road. I can think of one or two places I'd want knobbier tires, probably the ones you mention above. (I'm assuming the descent you're talking about is that section with all the baby heads? Sorry, I don't know trail numbers.) From what I recall, all the stuff around TB was pretty hard packed, and the stuff after the lookout was nothing compared to the trails down here in terms of loose-ness.

    I was just commenting that I don't think one needs to go out and get a new pair of tires if you have a perfectly good pair of SB8s.
    That only holds up for the 50 though, which is more than 2x as much on hardpacked road(the extra 25 is all graded road).
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

    You're turning black metallic.

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Casual Observer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    9,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    That only holds up for the 50 though, which is more than 2x as much on hardpacked road(the extra 25 is all graded road).
    I realize that. But again, I don't recall very much really gnarly, chewed up trail that would warrant heavy-duty tires.

    Outside of the road to Skull Valley, the course is the same as the 25, right?
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

  12. #12
    mad aussie
    Reputation: Flying Wombat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    1,129
    I would stay away from superlight casing tires, the descent down trail 260 is fast and rocky in parts, particularly if you need to pass and get off the line. We had a few sidewall cuts on a preride, including a 1/2" cut I put in my rear Nano. I would still go with a low profile tire, but would consider going with a tougher UST or sidewall reinforced tire on the rear. I am not racing as headed to on a road trip, but if I was racing it I would run my Maxxis Ikon with the Exo sidewall protection.

  13. #13
    RNC
    RNC is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    98
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Don't be like the "I can still break 4hrs" guy a few years ago on the 50 that took a wrong turn past the cop (who was yelling at him to go the right way) at the end of the race.
    I will be shooting for a little faster than four hours ... but in the 25er.

    I have seen some video from that long downhill and it seems like you can carry some good speed. It seems like all the deadfalls might make it a little narrow at times but it looked fast. (I have a small phobia of deadfall after a race-ending OTB at the TOWM a couple years ago. Trees are very unforgiving).

    What is the last climb like up to the lookout? On the topo, it looks quite a bit steeper than the first several miles. For anybody that did the Barn Burner, is it similar to the last big hill on that loop (as far as grade, etc.)?

Members who have read this thread: 0

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2019 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.