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    OT: The Other Super Bowl - Inner Basin

    I did the other Super Bowl today; skiing the Inner Basin in the Kachina Peaks. My neck was all outta whack last weekend, so I couldn't get any playtime in. So that now that I was feeling all good again, I decided to find some snow. I hadn't been on my skis all season, and thought I better take this opportunity get some. I also wanted a good fitness day, so I decided to hike out of the Snowbowl Resort up to the top of the ridge, and ski off the back side into the Inner Basin.

    I walked up the groomers and continued up the drainage above Snowbowls 'Log Jam' run. My legs weren't all that fresh, as I had been mountain biking the past three days, but the climb up was a lot less painful than I thought it was gonna be. I split from the parking lot at 8:15, and was on top of the ridge by 11:15. Of course, I only went to the lowest part of the ridge, but I also took my time while putting some video shots together.

    I set up a few staged vanity video shots of me climbing up in a tribute to Survivorman's, Les Stroud. No actual skiing in the vid, cuz that would be just too difficult.

    It was a bluebird day, with only a little wind. I spent the whole day in tights, and left my ski pants and big gloves in my pack.

    Since I was solo and these were my first turns of the year, I didn't want to get too ambitious and get too high up on the ridge. I'm really glad I choose the easiest and shortest line on the whole basin, because my turns were terrible. I had some really bad form going on. No falls, but just really sloppy. The snow was packed powder with a little crust, which definitely added to the challenge. I was going to continue on down into the glades, but my triceps were kinda cramping, so I decided to head out.

    I noticed a skin track heading back up to the ridge, so I put stuck my skins on and tied into it. I shoulda just boot packed it out, cuz the last little 100 feet of elevation was white knuckle terror. It looked like the people before me had some struggles getting out, and now the conditions for me where even worse. I actually lost my traction and backslid down the hill a few feet. Luckily there were a couple of trees I could hang onto, on this very, very steep slope, while I pulled off my skis and boot packed up this slope. Being very nervous at this point, I couldn't get off this slope fast enough. I actually scrambled up and over a higher point than I wanted, because traversing over to the lower point was not an option. Phew, I made it.

    Now it was time to ski the as always sketchy, icy, thin, and nasty snow back into the resort. The challenge is double, because the lack of oxygen, really gets me into anaerobic mode super fast, so cranking turns is really hard. This is what I hate about this route. Getting back to the groomers felt really good, except I was pretty exhausted. The first day back always hurts, but I survived.

    Here's a vid of day with numerous vanity shots of myself:
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    Nice Sam... That looks like really hard work but rewarding to be out on such a beautiful day and especially to have the mtn to yourself.

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    puuuurty

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    All this, just to get out of paying for a lift ticket? What a cheapskate!!!

    (I've hiked that area, and I'll admit, you're twice the man I am.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chongoman
    puuuurty
    puuuurty??? I'm not puuuuurty, I'm handsome Oh wait, I suppose your talking about the landscape. This is truly a majestic place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    All this, just to get out of paying for a lift ticket? What a cheapskate!!!
    heeheehee, I've been cheap like that lately. But actually the climb up is rather rewarding. Sounds like you ready for SoMo Shuttling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl
    Nice Sam... That looks like really hard work but rewarding to be out on such a beautiful day and especially to have the mtn to yourself.
    Thanks bunches!

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    Nice work as always. That was the better game for sure

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    really nice shots, I just question the idea of doing this solo. Not really good judgment

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj
    really nice shots, I just question the idea of doing this solo. Not really good judgment

    no need to armchair quarterback this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj
    really nice shots, I just question the idea of doing this solo. Not really good judgment
    Agreed, it is unrecommended to ski solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JrockFeltaz
    no need to armchair quarterback this one.
    Ya shoulda been there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj
    really nice shots, I just question the idea of doing this solo. Not really good judgment
    To make this judgement you really need to have more info. It's no big deal to travel solo in the inner basin. It depends on when you go, where, and how you choose to ski it.

    Besides, there really hasn't been any precip in over a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    Besides, there really hasn't been any precip in over a month.
    Completely agree.....two weeks ago there were some "interesting" pockets....but the last 1/12 weeks have pretty much baked things into cohesiveness.....if that's a word. Nice tunes with the video.




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    Yeppers, it was pretty consolidated.

    Hey btw Maad, if another traverse materializes, keep me in mind I know if Jrock makes himself available, he'd be down with one.

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    Very cool. Any hassle from staff about hiking through the ski area boundary?

    I had an old roomate who would skin up to S lift at Copper Mountain years ago and than run laps up there because the lift-op's assumed if you were up there, you had a lift ticket. He had to go commando through the trees to get up there becasue he had been stopped by patrol for skinning up a groomer.

    Love that version of Rastaman Chant. Never heard that before, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by u2metoo
    Yeppers, it was pretty consolidated.

    Hey btw Maad, if another traverse materializes, keep me in mind I know if Jrock makes himself available, he'd be down with one.

    Ill be back the last 3 weeks of march.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm
    Very cool. Any hassle from staff about hiking through the ski area boundary?
    If you are accessing the backcountry through Snowbowl Resort, your supposed to have a FS backcountry permit.

    As far as I know, climbing up the upper bowl (directly above 'catwalk') is a no-no for safety reasons, but earning your on the hill is no biggee.

    I'm not fast or competitive by any means, but I think a Snowbowl Rally Race would be pretty kewl. Man that would hurt racing up the hill at 11k vf.

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    Katolla sponsored a rally race last year in march I believe up there.....I wish I knew you were heading up there last weekend...I was looking for someone to head up with. I'll give you a holler next time we get something together.




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    the stability of conditions notwithstanding, a injury or serious mechanical in that environment would call for a rescue via search & rescue or patrol, thereby putting others unnecessarily in danger.

    i vote: take a buddy.

    ntl, despite my elevated stress-level, i enjoyed your suvivorman-like footage and editing. just would have enjoyed it a lot more if there'd been 2 of ya.
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    Speaking of skiing alone in the IB.....I kid you not, about 10 or 12 years ago I ran into Glenn Plake complete w' mohawk in Humphrey Cirque. He was alone and hucking everything he could find and then he would just sidestep his way back up to the low saddle in his downhill gear. No need for skins or time to bother taking skis off and booting up. The guy is an animal.

    As for accessing the bc through snowbowl it's ok to travel up the lower bowl side unless it's right after a storm and patrol is sending bombs over into Sugarbowl, Sundance, Shiprock, and upper Bowl. If you want to cross upper bowl when it's closed or to hike up Agassiz just check in at the patrol shack. They'll likely tell you to go ahead or if it's possibly sketchy give an escort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler
    the stability of conditions notwithstanding, a injury or serious mechanical in that environment would call for a rescue via search & rescue or patrol, thereby putting others unnecessarily in danger.

    i vote: take a buddy.

    ntl, despite my elevated stress-level, i enjoyed your suvivorman-like footage and editing. just would have enjoyed it a lot more if there'd been 2 of ya.
    Really? I've headed over to Temptations, Dutchman, and Alison Clay quite a few times alone. Maybe not the IB because you are getting far from help but when you're alone you don't take the same chances either.

    Avy conditions notwithstanding, is it really any different than going out for a long bike ride solo? There's always a chance you could hurt yourself or have a mechanical. Do you really not go, provided you have the travel skills, because you don't want to impose on SAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    The guy is an animal.
    ..that and he prolly was on something 210's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    Katolla sponsored a rally race last year in march I believe up there.....I wish I knew you were heading up there last weekend...I was looking for someone to head up with. I'll give you a holler next time we get something together.
    fo show!

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    Sam, why do you not call me when you do these things? You know it hurts me to be left out.

    I thought we were tight like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusJoe
    Sam, why do you not call me when you do these things? You know it hurts me to be left out.

    I thought we were tight like that.
    ...see if I woulda just posted up, I would've had some climbing buddies. My bad! Heading up didn't fully materialize until the night before. I know Chollaball has some interest in heading up too. Man if we can just get Rockman and Maad and Jrock and we'd have a pretty big assault team.

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    BTW, I hope the Ol' Pueblo Peeps don't mind that I'm doing my snow dance.

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    Hell, You can get killed out walking your doggie! Solo missions are soul.

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    BTW- Cool vid. I might be doing some touring this coming week, hopefully we are gonna see some precip.

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    Chance of snow Friday thru Tuesday! Temps look fairly warm too, things might start shaping up out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by u2metoo
    ...see if I woulda just posted up, I would've had some climbing buddies. My bad! Heading up didn't fully materialize until the night before. I know Chollaball has some interest in heading up too. Man if we can just get Rockman and Maad and Jrock and we'd have a pretty big assault team.
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    Just washed my truck for the first time in god knows how long. . . c'mon snow. . . I was about to say count me in, but I'm not allowed to

    Jrock you playing in Tahoe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash
    Just washed my truck for the first time in god knows how long. . . c'mon snow. . . I was about to say count me in, but I'm not allowed to

    Jrock you playing in Tahoe?
    Ive been getting out 2-3 times a week to tour. I think I only got 1 resort day this year. We are in bad shape. There is no real snow at lake level for the most part. We need a good 10'er to save the day.

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    skin up ski down race

    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    Katolla sponsored a rally race last year in march I believe up there.....I wish I knew you were heading up there last weekend...I was looking for someone to head up with. I'll give you a holler next time we get something together.
    Aspen Sports is working on a skin up, ski down race the same time as the Kahtoola uphill race mid March.I don't know if they have the details worked out but you can check with them, 928 779 1935. They also will be hosting another free tele clinic next Friday from 12-4pm @ the 'Bowl, an AZ tradition since 1988

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    Regarding the tele clinic....this friday (6th) or next friday (13th)?




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    friday the 13th

    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    Regarding the tele clinic....this friday (6th) or next friday (13th)?
    Next Friday Feb. 13th. Free instructions for all levels, beer and social time after the lifts shut down,,,,,,,,,most likely raffle prizes and shwaggage for the bent knee disciples

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    Quote Originally Posted by u2metoo
    ...see if I woulda just posted up, I would've had some climbing buddies. My bad! Heading up didn't fully materialize until the night before. I know Chollaball has some interest in heading up too. Man if we can just get Rockman and Maad and Jrock and we'd have a pretty big assault team.
    yeah man I'd be game, if you guys will take a noob around. I can probably board anything and keep up fitness-wise, but have no clue about BC safety and need to borrow gear. I will supply beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    Speaking of skiing alone in the IB.....I kid you not, about 10 or 12 years ago I ran into Glenn Plake complete w' mohawk in Humphrey Cirque. He was alone and hucking everything he could find and then he would just sidestep his way back up to the low saddle in his downhill gear. No need for skins or time to bother taking skis off and booting up. The guy is an animal.

    As for accessing the bc through snowbowl it's ok to travel up the lower bowl side unless it's right after a storm and patrol is sending bombs over into Sugarbowl, Sundance, Shiprock, and upper Bowl. If you want to cross upper bowl when it's closed or to hike up Agassiz just check in at the patrol shack. They'll likely tell you to go ahead or if it's possibly sketchy give an escort.

    I was skiing at Mad River Glen, VT back in college days and we ran into Plake at the top of powdery, narrow. bumped up glade. Coolest guy. He was crazy fast and just ripped the line. We never saw him again that day. There was no chance of keeping up with him.......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    Really? I've headed over to Temptations, Dutchman, and Alison Clay quite a few times alone. Maybe not the IB because you are getting far from help but when you're alone you don't take the same chances either.

    Avy conditions notwithstanding, is it really any different than going out for a long bike ride solo? There's always a chance you could hurt yourself or have a mechanical. Do you really not go, provided you have the travel skills, because you don't want to impose on SAR?
    i dunno, rockman. with all due respect (sincerely) for your experience and insight, i still feel differently about touring in winter solo than i do riding solo in season; i think there many are differences. somehow, the survivability scenarios seem different and more complex in winter on skis in the basin than they do in dry lake hills or out past kendrick in midsummer on my bike. then, when you add into that the sociological compulsion SAR and patrol would feel to enact a rescue given a skier-down situation, and the potential risks (even without avy we can consider falls, secondary injury, etc as potential risks) i think bc touring solo on the mountain in midwinter is a different game. and i think we tend to devalue this risks involved due to the accessability and the great number of incident-free tours we see/hear of on the peaks. despite their slack-country appeal and repuation, i think these mountains are still far wilder in winter then we often admit or appreciate. i don't think you should go alone.

    as for touring solo into the western glades, i would hold to the same position. and i think the testimony of the participants in the late december rescue in allison clay demonstrates how perilous a bc excursion can become. http://kachinapeaks.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=306
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler
    i dunno, rockman. with all due respect (sincerely) for your experience and insight, i still feel differently about touring in winter solo than i do riding solo in season; i think there many are differences. somehow, the survivability scenarios seem different and more complex in winter on skis in the basin than they do in dry lake hills or out past kendrick in midsummer on my bike. then, when you add into that the sociological compulsion SAR and patrol would feel to enact a rescue given a skier-down situation, and the potential risks (even without avy we can consider falls, secondary injury, etc as potential risks) i think bc touring solo on the mountain in midwinter is a different game. and i think we tend to devalue this risks involved due to the accessability and the great number of incident-free tours we see/hear of on the peaks. despite their slack-country appeal and repuation, i think these mountains are still far wilder in winter then we often admit or appreciate. i don't think you should go alone.

    as for touring solo into the western glades, i would hold to the same position. and i think the testimony of the participants in the late december rescue in allison clay demonstrates how perilous a bc excursion can become. http://kachinapeaks.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=306


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler
    i dunno, rockman. with all due respect (sincerely) for your experience and insight, i still feel differently about touring in winter solo than i do riding solo in season; i think there many are differences. somehow, the survivability scenarios seem different and more complex in winter on skis in the basin than they do in dry lake hills or out past kendrick in midsummer on my bike. then, when you add into that the sociological compulsion SAR and patrol would feel to enact a rescue given a skier-down situation, and the potential risks (even without avy we can consider falls, secondary injury, etc as potential risks) i think bc touring solo on the mountain in midwinter is a different game. and i think we tend to devalue this risks involved due to the accessability and the great number of incident-free tours we see/hear of on the peaks. despite their slack-country appeal and repuation, i think these mountains are still far wilder in winter then we often admit or appreciate. i don't think you should go alone.

    as for touring solo into the western glades, i would hold to the same position. and i think the testimony of the participants in the late december rescue in allison clay demonstrates how perilous a bc excursion can become. http://kachinapeaks.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=306
    Ok, fair enough. To each his own. My comments were mainly in regard to those who are experienced in bc travel. I've got friends who tour solo in the Wasatch all the time. I didn't say go out solo in high hazard conditions and centerpunch a 35 degree slope. But hell, what do I know. I don't wear a helmet either.

    The two guys in the aforementioned example hardly sound like they had much backcountry awareness to me. They were texting each other when they got separated and then the guy went down an icy slope on snowshoes(!) and apparently didn't know how to self arrest. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time SAR or patrol had to go out of the ski area to rescue a skier. Maybe ten years ago another guy broke his leg in Alison Clay on a tree stump. Otherwise, it's usually snowboarders lost on southside.

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    Let it snow!

    Quote Originally Posted by u2metoo
    BTW, I hope the Ol' Pueblo Peeps don't mind that I'm doing my snow dance.
    Bring on the preciptation, we need a new dose of whiteness above 6000 ft and the rains in the lower deserts will make the trails that much sweeter. Looks like the best chance for substantial precipt totals will be sunday thru tuesday so the OP racecourse should be in fine shape......if another storm does rain down on the 24 Hours OP, it will only add to the experience that is winter riding in the desert

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time SAR or patrol had to go out of the ski area to rescue a skier. Maybe ten years ago another guy broke his leg in Alison Clay on a tree stump. Otherwise, it's usually snowboarders lost on southside.

    Actually...it happens several times a year, each year in the good snow years. I know of at least 4 which occurred last year....but you are partially correct.....two of them I seem to remember being in the gullies by inexperienced folks with no exit plan whatsoever. Lost in the dark, post-holling, no gear (avy or food/water). After this seemed to be a trend, the FS posted a person at the soutside gate on the weekends checking BC permits and gear. After that, the need to send SAR out on the southside stopped.




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