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    Need some trail recommendations for upcoming visit

    I'm coming down to Scottsdale for some Giants spring training games and am bringing some bikes (road and mountain). Last year I rode Trail 100 and South Mountain (mostly National Trail but a couple of the side ones too). Any recommendations? I do have Cosmic Ray's book, but you can't get enough local knowledge in my mind. I'll be in Scottsdale from the 13th-17th of March with some friends for the games who don't bike, but will be around Phoenix/Scottsdale area maybe a couple days before and after then maybe head up towards Sedona and eventually Moab. Will Prescott and Flagstaff have too much snow for their better rides?
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    My suggestions

    I do not know the answer about Prescott and Flag and will let someone else answer that.

    It is too bad that you are just missing the AZSF04 by just a day! You would be well-served to continue exploring South Mtn and T-100 or try these recommendations when staying in Scottsdale:

    McDowell Mtn's Pemberton or Race Loops (East side of McDowell Mtns)
    Pima and Dynamite (north Scottsdale)
    Hawes Pass (just north on Mesa in the Tonto National Forest)

    Have a great stay, looks like the weather will be clearing up for you.....S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    I'm coming down to Scottsdale for some Giants spring training games and am bringing some bikes (road and mountain). Last year I rode Trail 100 and South Mountain (mostly National Trail but a couple of the side ones too). Any recommendations? I do have Cosmic Ray's book, but you can't get enough local knowledge in my mind. I'll be in Scottsdale from the 13th-17th of March with some friends for the games who don't bike, but will be around Phoenix/Scottsdale area maybe a couple days before and after then maybe head up towards Sedona and eventually Moab. Will Prescott and Flagstaff have too much snow for their better rides?
    First off, get a better guidebook with better local information.

    Hit Pima & Dynamite (local guide required!), Hawes, and absolutely Sedona. Prescott/Flag is too mucky right now.

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    Like yours?
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    Good job! Great Book!

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    Like yours? I couldn't resist
    Wait a sec, your the same Paul? Wow, absolutely a great book! I've read it cover-to-cover and this is my trail bible. Thanks Paul!

    I also like Cosmic Ray, but with a grain of salt. Your trail details are reliable and always right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Steelhead
    Like yours?
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    Shocking, simply shocking. That sort of blatant commercialism should be banned!

    BOYCOTT PAUL B!

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    p.s. thanks for posting the cover -- lift it from Amazon or somewhere else?
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    If you're gonna be in town before the 13th, hit the fling...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    I'm coming down to Scottsdale for some Giants spring training games and am bringing some bikes (road and mountain). Last year I rode Trail 100 and South Mountain (mostly National Trail but a couple of the side ones too). Any recommendations? I do have Cosmic Ray's book, but you can't get enough local knowledge in my mind. I'll be in Scottsdale from the 13th-17th of March with some friends for the games who don't bike, but will be around Phoenix/Scottsdale area maybe a couple days before and after then maybe head up towards Sedona and eventually Moab. Will Prescott and Flagstaff have too much snow for their better rides?

    The fling runs from next Thursday (a semi-organized Tucson ride), Friday - south mountain tour and party (byof, beer and munchies provided, no swag), Saturday - Sedona, Sunday - Sedona or Hawes.

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    Amazon, and it's a great book, no shame in plugging it for you.
    I do have a question for you, I've noticed trail markers at P&D and was wondering if someone was mapping the area, do you know if a up to date map exists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Steelhead
    Amazon, and it's a great book, no shame in plugging it for you.
    I do have a question for you, I've noticed trail markers at P&D and was wondering if someone was mapping the area, do you know if a up to date map exists?
    Thanks
    You know...I was just up there yesterday (in the lightning and pouring rain, racing against time to beat a flash flood -- all this for a paying client) and saw those markers for the first time. I do not know what's up with them, but I'll be investigating. Markers had State of Arizona seals on them, and carsonite isn't cheap (nor is the labor to place them), so there must be some kind of concerted effort to establish "historic use" of the trails to help protect them against evil land-eating developers. Mad props to the responsible parties.

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    Brown Ranch

    Historic Brown Ranch is located out at P&D just off one of the jeep trails. It has been marked for excavation for several years now. I do not know the name of the jeep trail, but it is on the regualr loop I ride north from Dynamite. Here is more info:

    ------------http://www.sc.maricopa.edu/cnuw/stewardship/br-history.html------------

    1865 The US Calvary and its suppliers used a rough, unpaved road that cut through the eastern part of what was to become Browns Ranch to make trips between Forts McDowell and Whipple (near Prescott).

    1916 Browns Ranch established by E.O. Brown and partners at the northwest base of the McDowell Mountains. It became the area's largest cattle ranch, at its peak encompassing some 44,000 acres "in the fence" (with only about 23,000 acres actually deeded to the ranch partners). At its peak the ranch had between 3,00 and 5,000 head of cattle. New cattle came by train from Mexico into Phoenix. Browns Ranch/DC Ranch hands would pick up the new cattle at the Phoenix stockyards, then lead the herd north to the ranch in a two-day cattle drive up the mostly unpaved Scottsdale Road. The ranch headquarters, called Browns Ranch, had a blacksmith shop, complete with a forge given to Brown by Scottsdale founder Chaplain Winfield Scott. Ranch grounds also included a corral, windmill, horse wash, chicken coop, barn, bunkhouse and ranch house. Harvey Noriega became ranch manager; Brown's nephew George Thomas was a partner. "Chicken Henry" was the infamous roundup cook. Cattle raised on the ranch were Herefords, Brahmas and brindled longhorns

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    According to that article it has been added to the Mountain Preserve as of 1999. Not sure how accurate that is but given the addition of trail markings on some of those trails over the last year it's probably correct.
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    Keep those cards and letters coming...

    Thanks for the suggestions so far. I might be able to make the AZSF South Mtn get- together.

    Is Paul the same Paul who operated something, I think, called Arizona Adventures? I went to ride with a bunch of my friends who were at a TNT (the Leukemia fund raising folks) gathering at the YMCA ranch near Oracle back in December of 2000. I wasn't an active TNT fundraiser but I was allowed to join their camp and go on some guided rides by Paul and friends in the area: 50 Year/Chutes, the race course in the desert, a ride up out of Peppersauce on the ridge above Oracle and some choice parts of the AZ Trail. That Paul? I can't tell from the photo on the mountainbikearizona.com site...but I'm always open to new trail books in any case!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Thanks for the suggestions so far. I might be able to make the AZSF South Mtn get- together.

    Is Paul the same Paul who operated something, I think, called Arizona Adventures? I went to ride with a bunch of my friends who were at a TNT (the Leukemia fund raising folks) gathering at the YMCA ranch near Oracle back in December of 2000. I wasn't an active TNT fundraiser but I was allowed to join their camp and go on some guided rides by Paul and friends in the area: 50 Year/Chutes, the race course in the desert, a ride up out of Peppersauce on the ridge above Oracle and some choice parts of the AZ Trail. That Paul? I can't tell from the photo on the mountainbikearizona.com site...but I'm always open to new trail books in any case!
    No. That's Paul Pineo.

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    Here's the map info

    I noticed the markers last May and emailed the Public Lands people with my kudos and question about a map. Here is the reply I received, with the information:

    I have forwarded your nice comments on to the Arizona State Land
    Department who is the agency responsible for the trail markers. I also
    wanted to let you know that we carry a map ($14.95) here in our visitor
    center that shows all of the trails in the East Valley, including the area
    you're talking about. If you're interested, give us a call.

    Joanna Scruggs, Manager
    Arizona Public Lands Information Center
    BLM State Office
    222 N. Central Avenue, Ste 101
    Phoenix, AZ 85004
    602-417-9300 (outside Phoenix area, 1-800-986-1151)

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    Is that map from the Az Mapping Kompany? They put out a map in the late 90's but I don't know if it references the trail #'s we were discussing, do you have a copy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B

    Prescott/Flag is too mucky right now.

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    Hey! that's not fair. You may not be able to ride Spruce Mtn right now, and the top of 299/297 might also be the same way, but it is far from "too mucky" here, and most everything is clear. I rode for a LONG time in Granite Basin on saturday (did the southern and northern loops) and rode Thumb Butte on sunday, some snow at the top but nothing bad.

    And with the temps the way they are...the tiny bit of snow will be around for maybe a few days at the most. 95% of everything is ridable.

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    Flag may have to much snow, but Prescott I beautiful. The trails are great.. Try trail 305 or anywhere around granite mountain.





    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    I'm coming down to Scottsdale for some Giants spring training games and am bringing some bikes (road and mountain). Last year I rode Trail 100 and South Mountain (mostly National Trail but a couple of the side ones too). Any recommendations? I do have Cosmic Ray's book, but you can't get enough local knowledge in my mind. I'll be in Scottsdale from the 13th-17th of March with some friends for the games who don't bike, but will be around Phoenix/Scottsdale area maybe a couple days before and after then maybe head up towards Sedona and eventually Moab. Will Prescott and Flagstaff have too much snow for their better rides?

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    I'm not sure...

    because I never ordered one. That price sounds about right for "THE Map," which my friend has. We've never been too concerned about finding our way around out there, as long as you keep the power lines or other visual markers (eg. Cone and Slant Mountains) in view. I was just happy to see the trail markers because it gave me hope of riding there for years to come.

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