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    With all of the mountain biking I do on the weekends (along with the current financial situation) I've been wondering if there might be a way to make my love for this sport pay. I wonder if people would be willing to pay to take a guided tour of one of the trails or something along those lines. Or perhaps set up a mountain bike touring company? It would be nice to make some change doing what I love. Has anyone on the board done something similar? Just wondering.
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    To protect yourself, be sure to check state and federal laws before accepting money conducting business on state or federal land. Consulting a lawyer is likely your best first step.

    You've got the right idea though, do what you love and the money can come later.

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    3 letters for you,, LLC

    even then, if someone gets injured or lost on one of your paid tours, they're be taking you for everything you own.

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    Beware that many people in many situations have tried to make their hobby/passion into their job/livelyhood,
    only to regret that decision. I've seen it happen to some close friends. On the other hand, there have
    been plenty of success storied too. But remember, "work" is a four-letter word that usually cancels "fun".
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    3 letters for you,, LLC

    even then, if someone gets injured or lost on one of your paid tours, they're be taking you for everything you own.
    But don't most touring companies make you sign a waiver of liability before participating - like the waivers we sign before racing? I wonder if that would offer sufficient protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Patrick View Post
    Beware that many people in many situations have tried to make their hobby/passion into their job/livelyhood,
    only to regret that decision. I've seen it happen to some close friends. On the other hand, there have
    been plenty of success storied too. But remember, "work" is a four-letter word that usually cancels "fun".
    Are you referring to people who tried this in the biking industry, or some other industry?

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    If you have some all inclusive deal where you provide hotel , transportation , bikes, meals etc. it could work. Look at "Way Out West". I think that's the name of it. They're in Tucson.

    If you want people to just show up and pay you to guide them , They already have MTBR where they post looking for free guides.

    Kinda puts you out of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Patrick View Post
    Beware that many people in many situations have tried to make their hobby/passion into their job/livelyhood,
    only to regret that decision. I've seen it happen to some close friends. On the other hand, there have
    been plenty of success storied too. But remember, "work" is a four-letter word that usually cancels "fun".
    Excellent Point.

    I've got a friend that loves to fly.

    20 years ago when he was getting his license some of his pilot friends went on and became commercial pilots. They all hate it now and dont get in a plane unless they're being paid. My friend started his own business busted his rear. Now he owns his own plane and flys when and where he wants. He still had the bug to fly bigger equipment, so he got a Airline license and helps out a guy that runs a charter business when he's short a pilot. He also volunteers with the sheriff's department flying their plane picking up prisoners and moving officers to training facilities, etc. Happy as a clam. Very glad he didn't he didn't make his hobby his work.

    Try to figure out something to do that will pay the bills well and leave you enough time flexibility to ride when you want.

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    There are several local companies that sometimes are looking for guides. You also have to work up and develop management's trust in your customer service, decision-making etc. Money is not so good initially. The benefit at the low-end of salary is you can make much of it a tax writeoff if you are smart about it.
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    I've been a guide. Takes an association with resorts to have much sucess and a fleet of bikes.
    There are fees for companies who use public lands. Way Out West pays Arizona $3000 per year for a permit to use the 50 Year Trail, money that's hard to get paid back as you can only get so much bike rent. I didn't understand why we didn't guide people there, till I learned of the permit.
    Takes some bike mechanic, trails and first aid knowledge. And a shuttle vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    Excellent Point.

    I've got a friend that loves to fly.

    20 years ago when he was getting his license some of his pilot friends went on and became commercial pilots. They all hate it now and dont get in a plane unless they're being paid. My friend started his own business busted his rear. Now he owns his own plane and flys when and where he wants. He still had the bug to fly bigger equipment, so he got a Airline license and helps out a guy that runs a charter business when he's short a pilot. He also volunteers with the sheriff's department flying their plane picking up prisoners and moving officers to training facilities, etc. Happy as a clam. Very glad he didn't he didn't make his hobby his work.

    Try to figure out something to do that will pay the bills well and leave you enough time flexibility to ride when you want.
    Yep, the whole airline thing took a huge nose-dive in the 90s, regional and national scope changed, pilots can only expect to make 30-40K after a few years, and they are pretty much stuck there now, as the major airlines give up scope. Retiring employees does not cause the suction that people thought it would. Getting to that major airline captain job is just a pipe dream now, and spending all day locked up in a plane on autopilot to only get a few hours of sleep inbetween doing it all again is just murder. Despite having 4K hours of flying experience, airlines are not for me! They stopped being for me when they stopped looking for professionals.
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    If you can ride really fast, and I mean really fast. You could go pro. Cadel Evens started out as a mountain biker, he makes a living at it (cycling).
    Better than most, not as good as some.

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    A lot of things change when you attempt to profit from something you enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    A lot of things change when you attempt to profit from something you enjoy.
    So so very true , take it from somebody that has done this many times ......its a really bad idea and can really ruin something fun in your life . ( + there is no money in any of it )

    Keep your Professional Business "Money Making" life separate from you fun hobbies and cool activities and you will be way happier and have way more time to do what you love to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    I've been a guide. Takes an association with resorts to have much sucess and a fleet of bikes.
    There are fees for companies who use public lands. Way Out West pays Arizona $3000 per year for a permit to use the 50 Year Trail, money that's hard to get paid back as you can only get so much bike rent. I didn't understand why we didn't guide people there, till I learned of the permit.
    Takes some bike mechanic, trails and first aid knowledge. And a shuttle vehicle.

    Were you a guide in Arizona? How much did you get paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfndav View Post
    If you can ride really fast, and I mean really fast. You could go pro. Cadel Evens started out as a mountain biker, he makes a living at it (cycling).

    LOL - I wish. In my last race (the Prescott Punisher) I finished pretty close to last in my category. Of course, I blame my 26-inch wheels, which obviously could not compete with the other 29ers in the race, rather than any personal shortcomings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazelem View Post
    With all of the mountain biking I do on the weekends (along with the current financial situation) I've been wondering if there might be a way to make my love for this sport pay. I wonder if people would be willing to pay to take a guided tour of one of the trails or something along those lines. Or perhaps set up a mountain bike touring company? It would be nice to make some change doing what I love. Has anyone on the board done something similar? Just wondering.
    I recently looked into doing this. My issue is that there are not currently any permits available. There likely wont be any time soon either. I personally would try to get in with one of the current tour companies as a paid guide.


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    To protect yourself, be sure to check state and federal laws before accepting money conducting business on state or federal land. Consulting a lawyer is likely your best first step.
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    Solid advise. State and Federal land requires all sorts of stuff when it comes to commercial usage on their land. I've even heard of people loosing property to governing agencies for not playing by their rules. Having a good attorney would be a good move, but an insurance agent also is necessary.


    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    3 letters for you,, LLC

    even then, if someone gets injured or lost on one of your paid tours, they're be taking you for everything you own.
    Exactly. I worked for a business that was an LLC owned by a LLC. Even with a signed disclaimer and liability waiver the company's attorneys advised that an insurance claim be made rather than fighting it out. Even if you have a full liability release, the government still requires you to have a $1M liability policy AND you're still responsible if they sue and win an amount over what your insurance company will pay.
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    I have a friend who makes $30 per hour (no tips allowed) to be a mountain bike and hiking tour guide in Sedona.

    I use to do tours and told the tourons that I would take them on a three hour tour for a $150 tip. I never collected any money until the end of the ride and only if they had a good user experience. If they crashed and were bodily injured I never mentioned any money. I would also video the ride and gave them the video at the end of the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazelem View Post
    With all of the mountain biking I do on the weekends (along with the current financial situation) I've been wondering if there might be a way to make my love for this sport pay. I wonder if people would be willing to pay to take a guided tour of one of the trails or something along those lines. Or perhaps set up a mountain bike touring company? It would be nice to make some change doing what I love. Has anyone on the board done something similar? Just wondering.
    Unfortunately, you are not the first to wonder this....sounds like you already have a job if you mention riding on the weekends....I'd keep it if you have one. No disrespect to your idea....it's merely a comment on the current job market.




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    "I use to do tours and told the tourons that I would take them on a three hour tour for a $150 tip. I never collected any money until the end of the ride and only if they had a good user experience. If they crashed and were bodily injured I never mentioned any money. I would also video the ride and gave them the video at the end of the ride."

    So, you didn't have to get a permit or license or something to do this, as some of the other posters have mentioned? Did you put an ad on Craigslist or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazelem View Post
    "I use to do tours and told the tourons that I would take them on a three hour tour for a $150 tip. I never collected any money until the end of the ride and only if they had a good user experience. If they crashed and were bodily injured I never mentioned any money. I would also video the ride and gave them the video at the end of the ride."

    So, you didn't have to get a permit or license or something to do this, as some of the other posters have mentioned? Did you put an ad on Craigslist or something?
    I think what TD is suggesting is that you take the "adult escort" approach. Instead of asking for money, you can ask for roses.

    Regarding Craigslist, I believe advertise these types of adult services has been prohibited.
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