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    McDowell Monstercross 11/21/09

    We will be starting at Basha's parking lot at Bell Rd and Thompson Peak Parkway in NE Scottsdale at 7am. The ride is a Double Bypass Plus, and 2 big climbs/bypasses, (Sunrise and Windgate), it is in the neighborhood of 65 miles.

    Route is as follows:
    Bashaís to Gateway Loop
    Gateway Loop to Paradise
    Paradise Trail to Quartz.
    Quartz to Lost Dog.
    Lost Dog to Ringtail.
    Ringtail to Sunrise.
    Up and over Sunrise.
    Connect to Dixie Mine.
    Dixie Mine to Windmill/Coachwhip
    Windmill/Coachwhip to Pemberton
    Pemberton (ccw) to Comp Track connecting via a gated utility road
    Long Loop and Sport Loop
    Back to Pemberton via utility road
    Pemberton (ccw) to Bluff
    Bluff to Granite
    Granite to Pemberton
    Pemberton (cw) to Tonto
    Tonto to Pemberton
    Pemberton (ccw) to Windmill/Coachwhip
    Over Windgate Pass and down Windgate.
    Gateway Loop

    Craig (from Moab) will be coming down again (as this is his idea). This is a completely self-supported ride with numerous places to get water (Hidden Hills TH, Golden Eagle TH, Comp Track TH, and Pemberton Loop TH). The GPX file will be available in a few weeks along with a map. Post-ride drinks and chatting in parking lot at the minimum, maybe get a bite to eat. Posting up now because there is still time to "train" for this ride

    GPX is available here. (note you must join the group).

    It is showing ~8k feet of climbing for the 60 miles, not too bad. Here is an aerial view of the route:



    It is being added as a "ride/race" of AES in order to help promote it. That said, everyone should be self-supported and ready to have a blast! I will have some Hammer Gel and HEED samples for everyone in a cute little bag As the date gets closer, maybe we can nail down a place to eat after the ride? Oh yeah, bring some beer/chocolate milk so we can covertly drink in the Basha's parking lot and wait for everyone to finish.


    So, who is in?

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    OMGCHADITHOUGHTYOUSAIDITWASTHEPREVIOUSWEEKEND!!!

    I couldn't do it if it was the 14th, but can on the 21st!

    IN!!

    Edit: I'll SS it...maybe go with at 20T in back...*ponder*
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    Looks like good training for FOTP the following Friday. I'm a maybe if I get some more XC miles in beforehand! However, I might take a nap while you all hammer out the Pemberton etc loop...

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    Why do I have a feeling I am going to regret this... but... sure... why not. In.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Edit: I'll SS it...maybe go with at 20T in back...*ponder*
    The 20T is the ideal touring/endurance gear to run with See you there!

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    planning on this one. Thanks for the motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Why do I have a feeling I am going to regret this... but... sure... why not. In.
    Alright!... ...and what category? SS/rigid/18T, or SS/rigid/20T, or Geared/FS/only use the middle ring...?

    You can SS this, De'!

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    hellz ya. Nancy and I will be there.

    Deanna, I expect to see you on a single speed. Let's see if we can make this a plurality of SS'ers. That way it'll be way less embarrassing when I'm walking up the back side of Windgate.

    So, one oilcan or two?



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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Alright!... ...and what category? SS/rigid/18T, or SS/rigid/20T, or Geared/FS/only use the middle ring...?

    You can SS this, De'!
    Well if YOU say so, Chief!

    As to gearing, SS/rigid/16T



    Or not.
    I'm thinking SS/Rigid/20... maybe 22?
    And that's assuming I will live through the endurance races that exist between then and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    hellz ya. Nancy and I will be there.

    Deanna, I expect to see you on a single speed. Let's see if we can make this a plurality of SS'ers. That way it'll be way less embarrassing when I'm walking up the back side of Windgate.

    So, one oilcan or two?



    --Jeff
    Jeff, LOL! Noice!
    Can I have one beer for every gray hair this ride will give me?


    Alright, I will commit to SSing this, although, my general game plan for saving face, is going to be sticking behind somebody spinning up those hills on gears, so I can pretend to be resentful and irritated when they "get in my way and ruin my climb". ;-) Heh.

    See you and Nancy there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    And that's assuming I will live through the endurance races that exist between then and now.
    Are you alluding to this? Do it! It might have to be about 10-15 miles shorter b/c of the fire on Bill Williams right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    We will be starting at Basha's parking lot at Bell Rd and Thompson Peak Parkway in NE Scottsdale at 7am. The ride is a Double Bypass Plus, and 2 big climbs/bypasses, (Sunrise and Windgate), it is in the neighborhood of 65 miles.

    Route is as follows:
    Bashaís to Gateway Loop
    Gateway Loop to Paradise
    Paradise Trail to Quartz.
    Quartz to Lost Dog.
    Lost Dog to Ringtail.
    Ringtail to Sunrise.
    Up and over Sunrise.
    Connect to Dixie Mine.
    Dixie Mine to Windmill/Coachwhip
    Windmill/Coachwhip to Pemberton
    Pemberton (ccw) to Comp Track connecting via a gated utility road
    Long Loop and Sport Loop
    Back to Pemberton via utility road
    Pemberton (ccw) to Bluff
    Bluff to Granite
    Granite to Pemberton
    Pemberton (cw) to Tonto
    Tonto to Pemberton
    Pemberton (ccw) to Windmill/Coachwhip
    Over Windgate Pass and down Windgate.
    Gateway Loop

    Craig (from Moab) will be coming down again (as this is his idea). This is a completely self-supported ride with numerous places to get water (Hidden Hills TH, Golden Eagle TH, Comp Track TH, and Pemberton Loop TH). The GPX file will be available in a few weeks along with a map. Post-ride drinks and chatting in parking lot at the minimum, maybe get a bite to eat. Posting up now because there is still time to "train" for this ride

    So, who is in?

    can you reroute this so that there are no hills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    can you reroute this so that there are no hills?
    That race already exists and it is the week before, it is called the 12 and 24 Hours of Fast and Furious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    That race already exists and it is the week before, it is called the 12 and 24 Hours of Fast and Furious.

    sounds soulless, what with all the fury and speed and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Are you alluding to this? Do it! It might have to be about 10-15 miles shorter b/c of the fire on Bill Williams right now
    So how would one pack fer a ride like this???

    Please give a break down of what you bring along with you on a ride like this..
    food..typs..how much
    energy stuff..typs..how much
    water...how many oz.??

    have always wanted to do something like this...BIG ride...most I've ever done is my hell ride in flag 18miles up and around schultz then 18 back down..I know I would last just dont know to many people that like to get silly and do rides like this..

    So is there a bike rule?as to what kinda bike to ride, er just ride what you gat.. I like the ss idea I've been rocking a ss/ridg/18t fer a some time, but think a light fully would be more my way fer comfort.

    thanks fer the tips.. look forward to the ride..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokenspokesSteve-o
    So how would one pack fer a ride like this???

    Please give a break down of what you bring along with you on a ride like this..
    food..typs..how much
    energy stuff..typs..how much
    water...how many oz.??

    have always wanted to do something like this...BIG ride...most I've ever done is my hell ride in flag 18miles up and around schultz then 18 back down..I know I would last just dont know to many people that like to get silly and do rides like this..

    So is there a bike rule?as to what kinda bike to ride, er just ride what you gat.. I like the ss idea I've been rocking a ss/ridg/18t fer a some time, but think a light fully would be more my way fer comfort.

    thanks fer the tips.. look forward to the ride..
    I'm surprised you've never done FOTP. That sounds right up your alley if you are interested in this...its about the same distance too.

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    Sounds like a hoot....unless the Big-12 title comes down to the OU-Tech game that Saturday (doubtful), count me in.




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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Are you alluding to this? Do it! It might have to be about 10-15 miles shorter b/c of the fire on Bill Williams right now
    Hmmm... tempting. Gonna have to pick daisy petals to come up with that decision. But I'm in for the Kentucky Camp, for SURE.
    However, what I allude to, is the BUNNY RACE, down in your neck of the woods in a few weeks. I mean, come on... 100 miles? On a flat 5 mile loop? In a costume, no less? Ohhhh yeahh... gotta be in good shape for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    my general game plan for saving face, is going to be sticking behind somebody spinning up those hills on gears, so I can pretend to be resentful and irritated when they "get in my way and ruin my climb".
    You've gone and figured out one of the core strategies of riding a singlespeed in a mixed group.
    Don't forget to complain about the fact that you chose the wrong gearing (somehow it has to be Walt's fault) - before we roll out of the parking lot.

    Looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    So, who is in?

    I'll be torturing myself in other ways the day of this ride. I *was* tempted. but this is the holy-est day in my sickness for College Football.
    b

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    However, what I allude to, is the BUNNY RACE, down in your neck of the woods in a few weeks.
    edit: snipped comment b/c I thought the 50/50 was happening that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    You've gone and figured out one of the core strategies of riding a singlespeed in a mixed group.
    Don't forget to complain about the fact that you chose the wrong gearing (somehow it has to be Walt's fault) - before we roll out of the parking lot.

    Looking forward to it.
    Rule number one: It is always Walt's fault.
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    Hmmmmmm, I might maybe could be, in.
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    Single speeding it in 34 - 16

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    I'll pencil this one in.After last years Quad,i haven't been out that way much at all.It looks like a singlespeed is the ride of choice and suffering for this one.I can fell the cramps coming on already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner

    So, who is in?
    Raises hand!

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    See post above for GPX file and aerial view of the route.

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    Time estimates for a large group for the non-Double Bypass section? 4 hours? Is this SS only? I am tempted, but it will definitely be my longest day in the saddle ever. Probably should not ride the Friday before...

    bobo

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN
    Time estimates for a large group for the non-Double Bypass section? 4 hours? Is this SS only? I am tempted, but it will definitely be my longest day in the saddle ever. Probably should not ride the Friday before...

    bobo

    Gears or SS, all are welcome to join (minus that Doug guy, he is too fast). I would say about 7-10 hours for the entire loop (3-4 for the non-DDBiPass), depending on how fast you are at climbing. There should be a pretty good sized group out there, but I imagine will start to break up as we hit the technical section on Lost Dog.

    Either way it is going to be a great time on the bike with some fun, like-minded individuals that share some common passions: good singletrack followed by some hoppy beer and great conversation.

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    Awesome event! Unfortunately I wont be able to make it this year. Should get a good showing. Just a reminder that Four Peaks Brewery in Scottsdale has their Pumpkin Porter on tap. Some of you may want to stop there for a post ride treat. (I'm not affiliated w/ them. I just enjoy the pumpkin porter this time of year) Also I think the previous weekend is the cave creek bicycle Festival. The 20mile (ish) race/ride may be a good warm up for the monstercross. Check it out.

    http://www.cavecreekbicyclefestival.com/
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    Weather looks great. Any last riders want in before this weekend? Info here.

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    i'll be backpacking in the superstitions with a few others- cooking turkey, pumpkin pie, mashed potatoes, and other thanksgiving delicacies in the backcountry.

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    I never remember last years football game, but I remember every single Mtn Bike ride. I'll give it a go.

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    So much for easing back into this whole mountain biking thing ... I think I'm in.

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    Plenty of bailouts and there will be schwag bags for everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Plenty of bailouts and there will be schwag bags for everyone
    I may skip the whole Pemberteon thing but count me in for the rest.
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    Skip the Pemb thing? Heck, that's where I plan to spray myself down with a water bottle, and sneak onto the ride, pretending I was there the whole time.

    I'm still in, but, I'm fully aware I am NOT trained for this, so we'll see how far I make it before I'm toe-up.
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    Good, wake me up when you ride by. I'm pretty outta shape for this and I'll be lugging my dbl squish so it could be a war of attrition...
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    You people are all certifiably nuts. Or maybe just in extremely good shape. Or maybe both!

    Perhaps if I skip the entire eastern half of this ride, I can make it up Sunrise and down Windgate in time to finish with the last stragglers.

    How does the climb up Sunrise compare to going up Windgate?


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    Quote Originally Posted by azoutside

    How does the climb up Sunrise compare to going up Windgate?

    From the west, about half the time and distance, and more rideable. The Monstercross finishes by climbing Windgate from the east; however, which is shorter and less vertical. Easier than Sunrise from the east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azoutside
    You people are all certifiably nuts. Or maybe just in extremely good shape. Or maybe both!

    Perhaps if I skip the entire eastern half of this ride, I can make it up Sunrise and down Windgate in time to finish with the last stragglers.

    How does the climb up Sunrise compare to going up Windgate?

    Don't think it, just do it. Come out. Either way, at the end is beer and good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Good, wake me up when you ride by. I'm pretty outta shape for this and I'll be lugging my dbl squish so it could be a war of attrition...
    I can't make up my mind.
    SS gives me a much-needed excuse, squish, hearts my lower back. Choices, choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    From the west, about half the time and distance, and more rideable. The Monstercross finishes by climbing Windgate from the east; however, which is shorter and less vertical. Easier than Sunrise from the east.
    Cool, thanks very much for the info! So if I get this straight, in terms of effort/rideability, the order from easiest to hardest would be Windgate from the east, then Sunrise, followed by Windgate from the west, with the nastiest being Bell from the west (was told about Bell by another rider I ran into last weekend). Not sure where East End fits into all that (looks steep) but I'll find out one of these days if I ever do Toms Thumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Don't think it, just do it. Come out. Either way, at the end is beer and good people.
    That's usually my problem, think too much. Never leads to anything good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    hellz ya. Nancy and I will be there.

    Deanna, I expect to see you on a single speed. Let's see if we can make this a plurality of SS'ers. That way it'll be way less embarrassing when I'm walking up the back side of Windgate.

    So, one oilcan or two?



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    Hey Jeff, are you and Nancy still planning to show, and are you SSing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azoutside
    Cool, thanks very much for the info! So if I get this straight, in terms of effort/rideability, the order from easiest to hardest would be Windgate from the east, then Sunrise, followed by Windgate from the west, with the nastiest being Bell from the west (was told about Bell by another rider I ran into last weekend). Not sure where East End fits into all that (looks steep) but I'll find out one of these days if I ever do Toms Thumb.

    Correct...and Tom's Thumb is harder than all.
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    Chad - Epic bummer...I've had a work situation blow up that requires me to travel out-of-town Fri-Tues, so I'll miss the race. I am sincerely bummed, since I've *REALLY* been looking forward to this. Getting to the point where I'm about ready to chuck corporate life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Hey Jeff, are you and Nancy still planning to show, and are you SSing it?
    We'll be there.

    I converted Nancy's geary to SS so she has no choice.
    I only have SS, so will be doing that as well.

    Should be fun - in that way that pain=fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    I can't make up my mind.
    SS gives me a much-needed excuse, squish, hearts my lower back. Choices, choices.
    SS...I wish I had the FS SS Leviathan built this weekend, waiting on the chain tensioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Chad - Epic bummer..
    Bummer man, see you at Kentucky Camp of FOTP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Bummer man, see you at Kentucky Camp of FOTP?
    No FOTP...BCT is a tradition for me on the day after Thanksgiving...hoping for and tentatively planning on KC!
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    water stops

    Chad or anyone who might know,

    Do you think I could make it between water stops with 2 bottles, that is assuming I'm drinking 1 bottle an hour? It looks okay going out, but on the way back from McDowell park it looks questionable.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiffanyinanthem
    Chad or anyone who might know,

    Do you think I could make it between water stops with 2 bottles, that is assuming I'm drinking 1 bottle an hour? It looks okay going out, but on the way back from McDowell park it looks questionable.

    Thanks!

    Tiff
    It could be done if you hydrate before heading back to Windgate from Pemberton, although that is a pretty long time with just two bottles. I will probably go the 2 bottle route, if that is of any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    It could be done if you hydrate before heading back to Windgate from Pemberton, although that is a pretty long time with just two bottles. I will probably go the 2 bottle route, if that is of any help.

    Gotcha. Yeah, I think I might just run the two bottles. I can always mooch water from Will if I run low. Oh he loves when I do that!

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    Been checking out some maps and sat photos. The "connect to Dixie Mine" part... Is there an obvious trail head at the top of Golden Eagle Blvd? Looks fairly straightforward to find the way there from Sunrise on some dirt roads, maybe about 4.5 miles or so. Not that I think I might be solo by then or anything...

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    GPS route ...

    Any chance you have a .gdb version of the route?

    I know the .gpx can be converted ... but don't know how.

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl
    Any chance you have a .gdb version of the route?

    I know the .gpx can be converted ... but don't know how.

    Thanks!!
    Do you have 6.5 version of Mapsource. It is available here:http://www.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=209

    That should allow you to change it over when you hit "save as."

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Do you have 6.5 version of Mapsource. It is available here:http://www.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=209

    That should allow you to change it over when you hit "save as."
    I do have the new version of Mapsource, but was thinking I needed the file in garmin format, but I guess not! Yeah!

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    Hey Chad - Somethings come up and I need to scurry back to Moab tomorrow, Friday, so won't be able to make the ride on Sat. But for my parting ride I rode the course today. My total time was 8:45 62.15 miles.

    Couple of items to note:

    - Road dropping down into Fountain Hills has been posted private property, no trespassing. Doesn't appear to be stopping anyone and I wouldn't worry about it. I am curious if there is another option though because I say a new trail, Sonoran, coming into Desert Tortoise/Dixie Mine. Anyone know anything about this and if it connects?

    - On the posted ride instructions for MMRP Comp Loop it says Long Loop and Sport Loop. After starting on the Sport Loop you need to merge onto the Technical Loop and then merge onto the Long Loop. This will get you back to the service road and the green gate.

    So there you go boys and girls. Have fun out there on Sat. I'll be thinking of you and am returning soon so see ya this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstuttle
    Hey Chad - Somethings come up and I need to scurry back to Moab tomorrow, Friday, so won't be able to make the ride on Sat. But for my parting ride I rode the course today. My total time was 8:45 62.15 miles.

    Couple of items to note:

    - Road dropping down into Fountain Hills has been posted private property, no trespassing. Doesn't appear to be stopping anyone and I wouldn't worry about it. I am curious if there is another option though because I say a new trail, Sonoran, coming into Desert Tortoise/Dixie Mine. Anyone know anything about this and if it connects?

    Cheers - Craig
    Yes there is an alternative.

    The new Sonoran Trail (seen on this map: http://www.scfh.org/trails.html) connects into Dixie mine without going into the neighborhood. It is a bit steep up and down for a while and then turns into a wide open downhill down to Dixie Mine. A bit more work than going into the "forbidden zone", but it is all trail - no road, all legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    Yes there is an alternative.

    The new Sonoran Trail (seen on this map: http://www.scfh.org/trails.html) connects into Dixie mine without going into the neighborhood. It is a bit steep up and down for a while and then turns into a wide open downhill down to Dixie Mine. A bit more work than going into the "forbidden zone", but it is all trail - no road, all legal.

    --Jeff

    Jeff, I will see if I can draw in this alternate section in Topofusion.com.. I would have liked to do the Tom's Thumb this year, but I figured we would stay with the status quo. Perhaps next year.

    Craig, you will be missed. I was hoping to ride with you again. Let me know when you get back so we can ride again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    SS...I wish I had the FS SS Leviathan built this weekend, waiting on the chain tensioner.
    Any suggestions on lower back pain management? That's my biggest hang-up about not doing squish; my lower back has finally started hurting so badly that I can barely stand it. Not had the curse of the numb hands or wrist pain (knock on wood), but my back... yowza...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    We'll be there.

    I converted Nancy's geary to SS so she has no choice.
    I only have SS, so will be doing that as well.

    Should be fun - in that way that pain=fun.
    Very cool.
    And yes- I am planning on some serious pain, swallowing my pride (not to mention a lot of Ibuprofen for my lower back), and sleeping face-down in the dirt during when I can't go on. Whatever keeps it fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstuttle
    Hey Chad - Somethings come up and I need to scurry back to Moab tomorrow, Friday, so won't be able to make the ride on Sat. But for my parting ride I rode the course today. My total time was 8:45 62.15 miles..

    Cheers - Craig
    26 mins of rest time, great job Craig. I will add you to the finisher section this weekend after the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    Yes there is an alternative.

    The new Sonoran Trail (seen on this map: http://www.scfh.org/trails.html) connects into Dixie mine without going into the neighborhood. It is a bit steep up and down for a while and then turns into a wide open downhill down to Dixie Mine. A bit more work than going into the "forbidden zone", but it is all trail - no road, all legal.

    --Jeff
    Wow...that is cool. I need to go explore that for incorporation into the Quad Bypass (Chad - I was also thinking about incorporating Tom's Thumb...it's a natural, albeit brutal...but that's the point, right?). Looks like two options:
    1. Dirt road -> Sonoran -> Dixie Mine
    2. Dirt road -> Western Loop -> Sonoran -> Dixie Mine

    #2 looks to be much harder than #1 because that Western Loop adds a bunch of climbing.

    And...a HUGE *MOPE* that I'm missing this...I am going to have to do a cstuttle and ride it along and post up my GPS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Any suggestions on lower back pain management? That's my biggest hang-up about not doing squish; my lower back has finally started hurting so badly that I can barely stand it. Not had the curse of the numb hands or wrist pain (knock on wood), but my back... yowza...
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    Lots of jacuzzi time, if that doesn't work, then visit one of the massage places...works on mine every time.
    PS Riding a bike with suspension does wonders too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Wow...that is cool. I need to go explore that for incorporation into the Quad Bypass (Chad - I was also thinking about incorporating Tom's Thumb...it's a natural, albeit brutal...but that's the point, right?). Looks like two options:
    1. Dirt road -> Sonoran -> Dixie Mine
    2. Dirt road -> Western Loop -> Sonoran -> Dixie Mine

    #2 looks to be much harder than #1 because that Western Loop adds a bunch of climbing.

    And...a HUGE *MOPE* that I'm missing this...I am going to have to do a cstuttle and ride it along and post up my GPS...
    Walt, really sorry to hear you won't be able to attend. You will be missed.

    Adding Thom's Thumb into the mix is a pretty brutal idea. If you want to really do it right, you need to swing all the way over to the North entrance (Dixie Mine->Pemberton->Rock Knob->Paraiso Drive(dirt)->North Entrance to Thoms Thumb->Thoms Thumb->Windgate). That would make Thom's Thumb the 4th bypass, instead of Windgate. It would also add considerable mileage and a bit of pain. Something to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Jeff, I will see if I can draw in this alternate section in Topofusion.com..
    I can send you a GPX of the Sonoran trail from Dixie Mine up to about half way to the Promenade Trail (the dirt road), if that will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    I can send you a GPX of the Sonoran trail from Dixie Mine up to about half way to the Promenade Trail (the dirt road), if that will help.
    That would be sweet. Thank you Jeff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Any suggestions on lower back pain management? That's my biggest hang-up about not doing squish; my lower back has finally started hurting so badly that I can barely stand it. Not had the curse of the numb hands or wrist pain (knock on wood), but my back... yowza...
    I have back pain problems but if I stay on my Chiro and Massage regimin I'm fine.
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    I have back pain problems but if I stay on my Chiro and Massage regimin I'm fine.
    And I will be available for the later if anyone wants one....reminds me of the Massage episode on Senfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    I have back pain problems but if I stay on my Chiro and Massage regimin I'm fine.
    Well too late for this weekend, but I really need to go back to both. Did wonders for me when I was focused on my trail running. In this economy it's just such a LUXURY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeman1243
    CoyoteKis
    Lots of jacuzzi time, if that doesn't work, then visit one of the massage places...works on mine every time.
    PS Riding a bike with suspension does wonders too!
    Bite your tongue; I'll never give up my rigid, even if it means I can't stand up straight for 3 hours after the ride, tomorrow. I only considered the squish for the granny gear aspect of it all. :-) Although, wow, the more I've been riding the FSR lately, the more I remember how fun it used to be to barrel down stuff without mentally counting to 8 seconds, like a bullrider trying not to get bucked-off.
    Ah well... I still stand by my rigid; trying to pay for my sins in this life. Hope it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    Ah well... I still stand by my rigid; trying to pay for my sins in this life. Hope it works.
    you're like the germanic tribe at the beginning of "Gladiator".

    yoga is free - went to my gym's class last week for the first time in a few months, and having slacked at home as well, and my upper back and shoulders were SO sore. I also recently learned some new-to-me lower back stretch\strength exercises. The easiest to describe is lay on your stomach and assume a parachutists position where you raise and curl everything. hold for 3 minutes (or whatever you can). There are a few others that variate off a lunge position - one where you stretch both arms overhead and look at your fingers, the other you hold a weight and rotate side to side while in a lunge. They have really helped me, take less than 10 min, and will start helping you ASAP. .

    good luck and have fun to you all tomorrow! I'll hopefully be there for this year's Quad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    And I will be available for the later if anyone wants one....reminds me of the Massage episode on Senfield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball
    you're like the germanic tribe at the beginning of "Gladiator".

    yoga is free - went to my gym's class last week for the first time in a few months, and having slacked at home as well, and my upper back and shoulders were SO sore. I also recently learned some new-to-me lower back stretch\strength exercises. The easiest to describe is lay on your stomach and assume a parachutists position where you raise and curl everything. hold for 3 minutes (or whatever you can). There are a few others that variate off a lunge position - one where you stretch both arms overhead and look at your fingers, the other you hold a weight and rotate side to side while in a lunge. They have really helped me, take less than 10 min, and will start helping you ASAP. .

    good luck and have fun to you all tomorrow! I'll hopefully be there for this year's Quad.
    Yoga HURTS. Once I discovered that, I never went back. I thought yoga was about channeling your Inner Sedentary Child. WRONG.

    But I HAVE done that first stretch, at the physical therapist's office, and it was a heck of a core workout, as well as back stretch. It's one side, only, of my lower back that is KILLIN' when I ride my SS, so I'm thinking it's that I'm all wonky in my alignment. Meh. We'll find out.

    All that said, I'm out tomorrow. My back, realistically, is not up for this kind of ride on the SS, and the Stumpy FSR is all kinds of whacked right now. So. Looks like I will have to ride closer to home.

    Everyone have a great time. Sorry to miss this, and miss out on hanging with some awe-inspiring people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis
    ...All that said, I'm out tomorrow. My back, realistically, is not up for this kind of ride on the SS, and the Stumpy FSR is all kinds of whacked right now. So. Looks like I will have to ride closer to home.

    Everyone have a great time. Sorry to miss this, and miss out on hanging with some awe-inspiring people.
    Bring the Stumpy and do the half loop. We have tools; we'll get that boing boing all fixed up for ya.

    Have a good friend who is a terrific chiro btw if you'd like a referral. He has helped me on many occasions. Unfortunately not convenient for you far east siders.


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    I wish I was joining you guys tomorrow. Anyone here ever ridden up to the towers on thompson peak? Too bad you can't incorporate that into the ride!
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    This thread is pretty funny.

    I do wish I had been in AZ today.

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    That was fun. Thanks again Chadwick!
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    Thanks Chad!

    Yesterday was fun! Thanks to Chad and Craig for thinking this one up. I might have a write up in me later.

    Nice meeting you Yuri and thanks for the pics, glad someone decided to bring a camera!

    Did Donna make it in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiffanyinanthem
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    Yeah, about 10 minutes after we left, she called me. 5:45.

    A great day on the bike...thanks for everyone that showed up to ride. Results should be up after I take a quick recovery ride this morning.

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    Thanks Chad for putting this event together.

    I really liked the whole laid back, we're just going for a nice long ride, vibe of this thing. So different from the organized races we have all done. Especially enjoyable was the mellowing out afteward with the cool folks who came out for this. We'll definitely do it next year.

    --Jeff (and Nancy too)

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    A few more pictures....






















    Hope to see everyone at Kentucky Camp. Jim and Jason, it was great to ride with you guys for most of the ride.

    Results here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb
    Thanks Chad for putting this event together.

    I really liked the whole laid back, we're just going for a nice long ride, vibe of this thing. So different from the organized races we have all done. Especially enjoyable was the mellowing out afteward with the cool folks who came out for this. We'll definitely do it next year.

    --Jeff (and Nancy too)
    Jeff and Nancy,

    You guys ROCKED it! I remember looking back climbing sunset and you guys were maybe 5 minutes behind, if that, and ON your SS! Then when I got a flat we never caught back up to you guys!

    Excellent riding you two and hopefully one day I can keep up with ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    No FOTP...BCT is a tradition for me on the day after Thanksgiving...hoping for and tentatively planning on KC!

    are you still planning on BCT on Friday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
    are you still planning on BCT on Friday?
    Sure am, Aaron...planning on the full-meal deal...want to join me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Sure am, Aaron...planning on the full-meal deal...want to join me?

    -SS or Gears?
    -What time?
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
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    -What time?
    Careful out there... you might see some Tucsonans out in full force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
    -SS or Gears?
    -What time?
    *stare*
    Did you REALLY just ask that...?

    I was thinking 7:45-8 am FIP, and do the Full-Meal Deal in four hours. Where are you driving from?

    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
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    Nice!! We'll look for 'em! Perfect post-Turkey Day ride...
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    *stare*
    Did you REALLY just ask that...?

    I was thinking 7:45-8 am FIP, and do the Full-Meal Deal in four hours. Where are you driving from?


    Nice!! We'll look for 'em! Perfect post-Turkey Day ride...
    LOL! So, you're that dedicated now, huh! What gear are you pushing these days?

    I'll be driving in from 16th St/Lincoln.

    What trailhead do you want to start at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner
    Careful out there... you might see some Tucsonans out in full force.
    Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
    LOL! So, you're that dedicated now, huh! What gear are you pushing these days?

    I'll be driving in from 16th St/Lincoln.

    What trailhead do you want to start at?
    32 x 18 on the Niner...and from Rock Springs, of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    32 x 18 on the Niner...and from Rock Springs, of course!
    OK, sounds good to me! See you there!~
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    Well, the Monstercross event was an interesting challenge for me. Iíve been pedaling regularly again since July after taking a 9 or 10 year break when I got addicted to dirt bikes. My longest ride prior to the event was the 26 miles I had ridden the weekend before on the C2C2C ride at SoMo, but having raced up Mt. Whitney and taken a shot at the Baja 500 solo Iím usually game for some new test of mind over matter.

    I had no aspirations of being competitive with anyone but myself. My only goal was to finish before it was dark. My recipe for completion consisted of 25% skill 25% stamina and 50% stubbornness (Iíd like to call it tenacity.)

    So we started Ö and then they were gone. The bulk of the group disappeared in a flash! I knew this would be the case as Iím not a super strong rider. My plan was to just keep pedaling Ö all day. Up and over Sunrise. Two riders behind me and the rest of the pack ahead. That wasnít so bad. I come down off of Sunrise come down the stairs into the trailhead, see another trail strait ahead and off I go. About an 1/8 mile later I realize Iím off course. Dang it. I hike back up and look for another trailhead, only to find none. I ask a few people if there is a trailhead I missed. Seems that thereís not. I didnít realize that some of the route was on the pavement through the neighborhood until the guy behind me caught up and told me. Duh! What a waste of 15 minutes that was. I guess it helps to know the area!

    So off I go on the pavement. Whoo Hooo! Easy miles. Then back to the dirt and some climbing and then back to singletrack. Then the weirdness began Ö I have to pull over for a girl dressed like superwoman jogging in front of her horse followed by flash gordon jogging in front of his horse. Hmmmm Ö then 15 minutes later comes a dude on a beach cruiser with a t-shirt and blue jeans. Iím thinking to myself Ö itís way too early in the day to be hallucinating! LOL

    So on and on it goes. The sport loop and long loop were kinda fun and flowy but just kinda putting in the miles. Then the long sandy slightly uphill section of Pemberton. It just seemed to go forever and Iíve never seen so many horses. Trotting horses. EVERYWHERE!!! I canít say Iíve ever been passed by a horse before?!? Then finally a payoff for the mind numbing sand highway Ö a left turn and some fun flowy stuff. Whooo Hoooo! 45 miles into it and Iím actually having fun grinning ear to ear enjoying the Bluff trail and enjoying passing one of the 9,000 trotting horses and knowing that Iím going at a pace that will put me back before dark with a little wiggle room to spare. Did I mention that I was stoked?

    Iím looking forward to the countdown of the last 10 miles Ö I had been confirming my turns on the course with the written route when it crossed back over itself to make sure I was going the right way. So Iím on Pemberton and come to the Dixie Mine intersection and see that the written route says to take Pemberton to Windmill/Coachwhip so off I go. As Iím enjoying this lovely downhill section I notice the sport/long loops coming up on my gps screen. My heart just sank. I was going the wrong way. I was just mentally trashed at that point. I figured I had gone about three miles and I now had to climb back up. Itís amazing how much your state of mind affects your energy level! At this point Iím fully aware that Iím going to be cutting it very close to get out before it gets dark and I have no light source.

    So back I go to the Dixie Mine intersection that I should have turned at the first time and started making my way up over Windgate Pass. Out of water. Bummer. The sun was setting and the city lights were a welcome sight when I came over the pass. Just the downhill left Ö a bit of my stoke comes back. Then my rear derailer stops shifting. Stoke is gone again. Limped my way back to Bashas.

    I was relieved to be done and stoked that I had completed the ride with an extra 6 miles for a total of 68.6. Whoooo Hoooo!

    The only thing I was disappointed about was that not one person waited to make sure I got off the trail.

    On a positive note they did leave my trophy Ö





    I did enjoy this in a strange and demented sort of a way. Might have to try it again! =)

    Thanks for putting this on Chad! It was a great event!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl
    I did enjoy this in a strange and demented sort of a way. Might have to try it again! =)

    Thanks for putting this on Chad! It was a great event!
    Awesome ride TurtleGerl. Your stubbornness worked out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBike'sBroken
    Awesome ride TurtleGerl. Your stubbornness worked out well.
    Thanks Aaron!

    Sorry the flat tire sabotaged your ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl
    I did enjoy this in a strange and demented sort of a way. Might have to try it again! =)
    What an accomplishment! The power of a stubborn mind is amazing. FOTP will seem like a cakewalk now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl
    What an accomplishment! The power of a stubborn mind is amazing.
    sometimes not in the best way though... LOL!!
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funboarder1971
    sometimes not in the best way though... LOL!!

    That's awesome!!!

    It's a quality that has it's advantages and disadvantages ... LOL

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