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    Greenie Mini Epic

    Meadow loop, Aspen Draw, secret trail, road, green mtn, road, molino basin, road. 9K down to about 2,500 and 30 miles of killer technical downhill. We had intended to add Meligrosa but a crash where John almost lost his bike, a mechanical and a shortage of water prevented it this time. It was a killer day and IMHO the best technical DH I've ever done. Green Mtn is truly a thing of raw beauty.

    1. 7 people and 6 bikes makes for a tight fit
    2. our intreped crew
    3. Sean rectifies leaving his keys at the base of the mountain and Devo shows his concern
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    1. Sean on Aspen Draw
    2. John struts his stuff and later asks, "Why didn't you tell me aobut this before?" - you didn't ask ;-)
    3. Cooper leaving the gulch on the way to Summerhaven
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    1. A break before the first road section
    2. The start of green mtn
    3. Greenie
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    1. We alomst lost John after he almost lost his bike off a 40 ft cliff but our yelling across the canyon finally got him to us
    2. Gettin ready for greenie's last DH
    3. Molino - saw a crew working further down which was cool and we gave them our thanks. Now if we can get dale to show us bug and link in maligrosa then wrods can't even describe how awesome this ride would be
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    Top to bottom

    The best ride I've been on in years
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    That looks like fun...

    Nice pics as usual Yuri!

    Gotta love those days where you end up saying to yourself - that was one of the best day's biking I've ever done!

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    The "Girl Next Door" turned out to be a beauty queen...

    I have only been trail riding for a bit over two years, and for most of that time the trails at the upper altitudes of Mt. Lemmon/Catalinas have been off limits from the two summers of fire damage. So even though I had discovered the wonder of La Milagrosa, I had no idea what kinds of trails were higher up the Mt. Lemmon highway.

    Yesterday Yuri and Harry gave me the grand guided tour. It was like finding that the next door neighbor is Miss America. I had no clue the beauty and technical quality of the trails at the upper elevations. These were the kinds of trails I have been driving all over Arizona to find, and here they are within view of my house!

    True, I very nearly LOST my ride. It slipped down an embankment and hung up on a large root at the edge of a 40 foot drop. It probably wouldn't have been worth retrieving it. But almost only counts in horseshoes, so it was all good!

    Thanks to Yuri, H. Cooper and their buds. We MUST do that again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn

    Thanks to Yuri, H. Cooper and their buds. We MUST do that again!

    John W.
    Amen to that! And next time we drop water at molino and get an earlier start so we can do Meligrosa. The idea of Bug springs is also burning a hole in my brain ;-)
    Helluva ride - I'm still grinnin. You would have love it Rex

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    A few more
    1) Greenie DH begins
    2) Lunch(ish)
    3) John climbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    A few more
    1) Greenie DH begins
    2) Lunch(ish)
    3) John climbs
    Is that guy wearing a full face to climb? I noticed another guy a few pics back wearing one too...did you miss the pics of the 12ft drops? Or am I missing something? Just doesn't look THAT techinical to me, and I would hate to suffer in a FF all day unless there was some possibility of real carnage..looks like I could do that ride on my Klein hardtail and Giro Pneumo...or maybe no lid at all...or maybe I'm just being too critical..sorry if that's the case...

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    1) Greenie again
    2) During the first section of road I got a view of where we started
    3) I just like this pic - I mean how can you not appreciate those socks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    .sorry if that's the case...
    Apology accepted on John's behalf - twice your age and likes his face. The ride certainly has some sections that will make your gonads ascend (or descend depending) but we were having too much fun to stop and take pics.

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    1) Lumanaria
    2) Cable guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    1) Lumanaria
    2) Cable guy
    Couldn't resist
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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    Is that guy wearing a full face to climb? I noticed another guy a few pics back wearing one too...did you miss the pics of the 12ft drops? Or am I missing something? Just doesn't look THAT techinical to me, and I would hate to suffer in a FF all day unless there was some possibility of real carnage..looks like I could do that ride on my Klein hardtail and Giro Pneumo...or maybe no lid at all...or maybe I'm just being too critical..sorry if that's the case...
    Indeed, "that guy" and "another guy" who are both actually named John, were wearing a FF helmet all day. You are obviously a super slick, super skilled, fearless rider, who doesn't have to worry about the same concerns I have, but for me, any ride has the "possibility of carnage", so I stick to the FF helmet even though clowns like you come out of the woodwork with their silly comments...

    Incidently, in one of those sandy washes on the Molino Basin Trail where nobody has a right to crash, in my late afternoon fatigue I washed out and did a face-first dive into the deep sand. After I finished spitting all the sand out I realized I would probably have ground off a fair bit of my chin but for the FF helmet. That's why I wear one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn
    Indeed, "that guy" and "another guy" who are both actually named John, were wearing a FF helmet all day. You are obviously a super slick, super skilled, fearless rider, who doesn't have to worry about the same concerns I have, but for me, any ride has the "possibility of carnage", so I stick to the FF helmet even though clowns like you come out of the woodwork with their silly comments...

    Incidently, in one of those sandy washes on the Molino Basin Trail where nobody has a right to crash, in my late afternoon fatigue I washed out and did a face-first dive into the deep sand. After I finished spitting all the sand out I realized I would probably have ground off a fair bit of my chin but for the FF helmet. That's why I wear one.

    John W.
    Yeah, that's it. Super skilled & fearless.

    Settle down, it was just a question, and I apologized in advance. No need to be a jerk about it.

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    Looks like fun. You guys had a big group. Scanjok and myself saw you when we were riding up on our SS's.
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    Sounds like a cool ride guys....we saw you guys loading up at the base of Lemmon. We were the retards fighting head winds climbing up Lemmon on our SS's. We ended up doing the Bolota loop...... About full faced masks....this is me one time taking it easy down Molina with my EX. Wish I had a FF that day!! ER's & Denist suk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdub347
    Looks like fun. You guys had a big group. Scanjok and myself saw you when we were riding up on our SS's.
    Ah you were the ones chasing the new road bikes and their sparkly reflectors. Did you come out on reddington or meligrosa?

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    Ouch!

    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    Sounds like a cool ride guys....we saw you guys loading up at the base of Lemmon. We were the retards fighting head winds climbing up Lemmon on our SS's. We ended up doing the Bolota loop...... About full faced masks....this is me one time taking it easy down Molina with my EX. Wish I had a FF that day!! ER's & Denist suk.
    I hate to see that, but it pretty much illustrates the reality I have to deal with. One moment of inattention and anything can happen on almost any trail for me. I haven't yet met the rider who could unerringly schedule his/her crashes and dress accordingly just for that occasion.

    I find that SixSixOne Carbon helmet to be lightweight but sturdy, and while less comfortable than a regular helmet, I wouldn't say I suffer in it.
    Whatever, it's just a personal preference, and it never dawned on me to post making an issue about somebody wearing a regular helmet!

    More importantly, back to the trails, I agree with Yuri that the Green Mountain Trail was particularly stellar. Unfortunately I lost the group before starting a very steep, long technical switchback section, where I could not cut loose and ride with abandon because I was half certain it was not the right trail, and I was going to have to climb all the way up it again to find the rest of the guys!

    That trail alone is worth a return real soon.

    What is the ride to Belota like, and where do you find the trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Ah you were the ones chasing the new road bikes and their sparkly reflectors. Did you come out on reddington or meligrosa?
    Ha...that was us. We caught a few roadies, but the ride up was brutal 'cause of the wind. We came out on Reddington. Trying to get miles in before the Soul Ride....

    About the full face helmet thing....there is a saying...dress for the crash, not the ride..
    I have no poblem donning a full face helmet, boots, chest protector, etc. when riding a 220lb MX bike in 100+ degree heat....there is no reason at all someone should be ridiculed for wanting to protect themselves as much as possible.

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    This summer we did a green mountain ride. I remember afterwards my arms looked like they were slashed by razor blades. Is there still those nasty overgrown thorny bushes???
    May need to get up there before it gets to cold...for me anyway, I am a desert-lizard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    This summer we did a green mountain ride. I remember afterwards my arms looked like they were slashed by razor blades. Is there still those nasty overgrown thorny bushes???
    May need to get up there before it gets to cold...for me anyway, I am a desert-lizard.
    The trail seemd to be in pretty good shape to me, no overgrown plants that I can recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn
    I hate to see that, but it pretty much illustrates the reality I have to deal with. One moment of inattention and anything can happen on almost any trail for me. I haven't yet met the rider who could unerringly schedule his/her crashes and dress accordingly just for that occasion.

    I find that SixSixOne Carbon helmet to be lightweight but sturdy, and while less comfortable than a regular helmet, I wouldn't say I suffer in it.
    Whatever, it's just a personal preference, and it never dawned on me to post making an issue about somebody wearing a regular helmet!

    More importantly, back to the trails, I agree with Yuri that the Green Mountain Trail was particularly stellar. Unfortunately I lost the group before starting a very steep, long technical switchback section, where I could not cut loose and ride with abandon because I was half certain it was not the right trail, and I was going to have to climb all the way up it again to find the rest of the guys!

    That trail alone is worth a return real soon.

    What is the ride to Belota like, and where do you find the trail?

    John W.
    You actually continue on the AZ trail on the Reddington side to Bellota Ranch Rd.. It is a few miles past the Miligrosa turn off. The AZ trial is some pretty fun single track with a bit of techincal stuff thrown in (nothing like Miligrosa...nothing). The ride out to Reddington on the Bellota Road kind of sucks. Quite a bit of climbing. Nothing too ad, but no amount of climbing is fun after going up Mt. Lemmon.

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    Bike Porn!

    Keep it "coming"!

    You guy's are killing me here.

    Bikes are in "the mail"...ok, I just Fed Ex'ed them.

    Now, I got nothing to ride till Sat but the [email protected] I CAN'T SAY IT!

    So...anyone want to do that Aspen Draw / Green Mt / Molino / Milagrosa ride again this
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    frog mtn epic --repeat???

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Patrick
    Keep it "coming"!

    You guy's are killing me here.

    Bikes are in "the mail"...ok, I just Fed Ex'ed them.

    Now, I got nothing to ride till Sat but the [email protected] I CAN'T SAY IT!

    So...anyone want to do that Aspen Draw / Green Mt / Molino / Milagrosa ride again this
    coming Sunday?

    you might have a few takers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    you might have a few takers...
    Dammit cooper login as yerself and post your pics while yer at it! As much as I'd love to do that this next weekend, no can do. Gotta take the munchkin to the pumpkin patch. I'm thinking after the soul ride but the rest of you enjoy. I think another group is planning an assult next weekend too.

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    We the people ...

    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Dammit cooper login as yerself and post your pics while yer at it! As much as I'd love to do that this next weekend, no can do. Gotta take the munchkin to the pumpkin patch. I'm thinking after the soul ride but the rest of you enjoy. I think another group is planning an assult next weekend too.


    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Dammit cooper login as yerself and post your pics while yer at it! As much as I'd love to do that this next weekend, no can do. Gotta take the munchkin to the pumpkin patch. I'm thinking after the soul ride but the rest of you enjoy. I think another group is planning an assult next weekend too.

    Dude-

    Sorry 'bout that. I won't take all the blame though. After all, wasn't you who was sitting at my office computer on Friday checkin' out mtbr.com?

    As for the ride-

    We all thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Five punks on hardtails and a righteous dude on a 'double-squishy' with a full face helmet and pads. Critique all you'd like, but I offer you this: How many riders, including yourself, do you think will still be riding when they retire from their careers? My estimate is most likely none. But I digress...

    It was a great group of riders to be out with on Saturday. Cool people = Good times. I've got to give credit to Claire (dirtyblonde) for dragging herself out of bed with a hangover and drive us to the start.

    Awesome. 30.4 miles of goodness. Now all we need is Bug Springs to come alive...

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    Salty Bahti, such a nice fella.
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    Isn't this where the cougar was stalking two mtn. bikers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcooper
    Salty Bahti, such a nice fella.
    Holy carp! Have those horns always been there? That might explain the constant sulphur smell - or maybe the smell is the result of 7 (live at the time) bodies in my truck.
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    P.S. If I got the most blur on Aspen does that mean I wuz the fastest? Not

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    Yes Yuri, You are Number One!

    Quote Originally Posted by hcooper
    Salty Bahti, such a nice fella.
    He trys to be Krusty and Hardcore, but he was kind enough to babysit me on the trail, and then wouldn't abandon me on Green Mountain, even when I told him to shoot me and join his buds.

    He's got a soft side.

    Nice pics Harry!

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    Lies and partial truths

    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn
    He trys to be Krusty and Hardcore, but he was kind enough to babysit me on the trail, and then wouldn't abandon me on Green Mountain, even when I told him to shoot me and join his buds.

    He's got a soft side.

    Nice pics Harry!

    John W.
    Crusty for sure......

    A little pic of our route.

    John, thinking of a coast to coast on Sat if yer interested.

    Cooper, remember removing my casette? Guess what the problem was? My BB was freakin "hand tight", that coulda been ugly.
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    What a gay ride!

    In a "Meet the Flintstones" way.

    Very cool routage.

    It always humors me how people focus too narrowly on their own riding "orientation" and skills. There is always more than one way to ride a trail, or many trails in an epic like the sweet one you guys peiced together. DH'ers and "huckstars" may find a ride such as the one you guys did as one of the toughest they ever did, then again they may just chew it up and spit out on a hardtail.

    Finishing in one peice is paramount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Apology accepted on John's behalf - twice your age and likes his face. The ride certainly has some sections that will make your gonads ascend (or descend depending) but we were having too much fun to stop and take pics.
    Hey, I respect any 60 year old that can still go out and shred....full face or no lid....

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    Actually, I only FEEL like 60

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    Hey, I respect any 60 year old that can still go out and shred....full face or no lid....
    Thanks for the thought Riggse. Yuri exaggerates, I'm 55 which I think is twice his age.

    Today however, I feel like 60, or 80. Saturday I took a tumble off the downhill side of National just at the bottom of the last short stair-step climb up to Buena Vista. Had to walk National the whole way back cause of a broken handlebar.

    Then yesterday on Private Reserve (some call it Blue Dot?) in Flag, I cased a drop and hit a big pine tree. Shoulder, neck, right knee, left hand, right hip, mid back, everything hurts but my head. (the afore mentioned full-face helmet!)

    I am beginning to wonder if I am too old for this stuff, but I can't stand the alternative, so the words of encouragement are appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn
    Thanks for the thought Riggse. Yuri exaggerates, I'm 55 which I think is twice his age.

    Today however, I feel like 60, or 80. Saturday I took a tumble off the downhill side of National just at the bottom of the last short stair-step climb up to Buena Vista. Had to walk National the whole way back cause of a broken handlebar.

    Then yesterday on Private Reserve (some call it Blue Dot?) in Flag, I cased a drop and hit a big pine tree. Shoulder, neck, right knee, left hand, right hip, mid back, everything hurts but my head. (the afore mentioned full-face helmet!)

    I am beginning to wonder if I am too old for this stuff, but I can't stand the alternative, so the words of encouragement are appreciated.

    John W.
    You just need some R&R&RX. If it makes you feel any better I took a tumble on the waterfall that I brushed off only to have come back and haunt me later that night. Maybe we should stick to XC...naw screw that! Can you imagine missing out on Green Mtn? Nuff Said ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn

    Then yesterday on Private Reserve (some call it Blue Dot?) in Flag
    It's private reserve. We talked to a local on one of our shuttle runs and he told us that they had cosmic ray come out and map blue dot, but he took the wrong trail and did private reserve instead, so private reserve became known as blue dot. Private reserve makes sense since the trail Steel Reserve starts on it, hence you can come down either private or steel. Both are a blast. It's amazing how fast the ground rushes up at you on that last steep roll-in at the end of private reserve. It really brings home that 9.8m/ss stuff. You just see the ground comming up REALLY fast

    I don't know if we are allowed to have as much fun as we did yesterday, but that was some of the best riding i've done in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jm.
    It's private reserve. We talked to a local on one of our shuttle runs and he told us that they had cosmic ray come out and map blue dot, but he took the wrong trail and did private reserve instead, so private reserve became known as blue dot. Private reserve makes sense since the trail Steel Reserve starts on it, hence you can come down either private or steel.
    One of the Phoenix area guys with us yesterday knew about the Private Reserve/Steel Reserve deal. About a month ago I took the right hand fork the I now know is Steel Reserve, and it quickly got WAY over my skill level. I had to hike back up to the junction to take PR, which is only way over my skill level.

    Yesterday half of our group rolled that final steep pitch on PR, without incident. It still looks impossible to me.

    I guess that still leaves the question, where is Blue Dot?

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    Ah, my first crack at Green Mtn - sure hope this doesn't go to Wilderness...
    This is just need to know information: Am i supposed to enjoy the irony or pity the sincerity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    Ah, my first crack at Green Mtn - sure hope this doesn't go to Wilderness...
    Well said.

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