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    Give me your Sedona trail top 3 picks

    A buddy and I will be riding Sedona in early Feb for three days. Lots of trail options there so I'm hoping to get a little insight from those familiar with Sedona.

    Trail criteria:
    • All day ride (or two half days),
    • I like 4-6' drops and jumps but my buddy not so much,
    • Awesome scenary,
    • And needless to say, singletrack.


    Any suggestions are very much appreciated. Also if any restaurants/pubs/breweries are a must then pls share.

    Thanks!

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    The theee most popular technical trails are Hiline, Hogs and Hangover. Where do you live and what are your three favorite trails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Gotta hike yer skirt up on that one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj View Post
    Gotta hike yer skirt up on that one...
    Well, the OP requested an all day ride. It took me 6 hours last year with stops and I'm an old man. Crossing the creek might not be much fun right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Well, the OP requested an all day ride. It took me 6 hours last year with stops and I'm an old man. Crossing the creek might not be much fun right now.
    Good news in the Dry Creek area is that the Dry Creek flow has slowed down significantly.

    Oak Creek is flowing at 93 cfs which is 3X's the normal rate during the summer. It is crossable by the 5%'ers but the lesser skilled crossers will probably not make it across without slipping and getting drenched. I would suggest the lesser skilled crossers strip below their waist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    The theee most popular technical trails are Hiline, Hogs and Hangover. Where do you live and what are your three favorite trails?
    I would agree with this. I'm assuming the OP is aware that in Sedona you actually link together a multitude of trails to make one loop. My favorites would be...

    1) Slim Shady to Hi-line to Baldwin to Templeton

    2) Chuckwagon to Mescal to Aerie to Cockscomb

    3) Hogs, Hog Heaven, High on the Hog Loop from Broken Arrow while swinging by Submarine Rock while you're out that way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    The theee most popular technical trails are Hiline, Hogs and Hangover. Where do you live and what are your three favorite trails?
    I'll have a look, thanks.

    I live in N Cal. My three most favorite: any one of the several Downieville options ridden as a loop from town pedal, ~20 miles up the scenic fire road to earn the 17 downhill miles; Santa Cruz's Demo Forest- Connector to Braille; and Martis Peak to Dirty Harry up in the Sierra and one more Mr.Toads Wild Ride up there also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Well, the OP requested an all day ride. It took me 6 hours last year with stops and I'm an old man. Crossing the creek might not be much fun right now.
    I'm impressed - I'm thinking in new terrain and riding for three days in a row we'll prob want to ride something in the mid-twenty range unless there's lots of climbing or it's super technical in which case that number drops.

    Who knows if we get dialed in the first day or two maybe we'll take that one on the last day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I would agree with this. I'm assuming the OP is aware that in Sedona you actually link together a multitude of trails to make one loop. My favorites would be...

    1) Slim Shady to Hi-line to Baldwin to Templeton

    2) Chuckwagon to Mescal to Aerie to Cockscomb

    3) Hogs, Hog Heaven, High on the Hog Loop from Broken Arrow while swinging by Submarine Rock while you're out that way
    Exactly what I was after, k2rider1964. Thx! If you have a minute please share what makes them your favorites.

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    I am FAR from a Sedona expert as we generally make (1) 4-day trip there every October. Even though I prefer riding in the trees, Sedona is unquestionably the most beautiful, scenic area I've ever ridden. As a general rule, it's also the most technical place we ride. There is NO trail out there that is perfectly flowy for any length or time. You better be paying attention all the time, even on the intermediate level trails.

    It's hard for me to pinpoint what I like about the 3 trails I listed above but there is plenty of variety involved in all of them. You will have plenty of opportunities for your 2-4 foot drops all over Sedona. You definitely want to do a high speed bomber run down Slim Shady. it has plenty of what you're after...drops, banks, bouncing off sidewalls...crazy, crazy fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FeyhlUSs8c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yahooo View Post
    I'm impressed - I'm thinking in new terrain and riding for three days in a row we'll prob want to ride something in the mid-twenty range unless there's lots of climbing or it's super technical in which case that number drops.
    Check out Sedona on Trailforks. You'll notice most of the trails are black...

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    Generally Sedona isn't setup all that well for all day rides unless you don't mind riding surface streets in between areas and/or crossing the creek. For example, HiLine is a 2 hour ride from VOC or 3 hours max with stops. Hangover is a little less than 8 miles and takes two hours, maybe 3 with stops or to session some slickrock. My suggestion would be to dial in a morning ride like a Double H (HiLine and Hogs) and then go do a fun, short ride in the afternoon like Soldier's Wash area. Javelina>Crusty>Adobe Jack>Grand Central.

    Hogs are fun but even if you ride Hog Heaven twice as part of a figure 8 type dealio and mess around on Chicken Point it's less than 10 miles and 2 hours.

    My favorite long loop in the Dry Creek area is to park at the Cultural Center and ride CCW: Plumber's Crack>Color Cove>Girdner>Chuckwagon>Gunslinger>Mescal>Aeirie>Cockscomb>Western Civ>Last Frontier>Drano. That's 20 miles and feels like 30. If you've got anything left in the tank cross hwy 89 at the H.S. and hit the Carrol Canyon stuff. Special Ed, Sketch, Skywalker, etc. If your staying in West Sedona you could link these trails with HiLine to make a longer loop without having to drive to the VOC trailheads.

    Definitely do Hangover. It's rather unique even for Moab. Even if your buddy has to walk some portions you'll be glad you did just for the experience. The views are phenomenal and there's just enough tech to make the Trailforks black rating seem like a Canadian Blue. Pass on climbing Munds Wagon which kinda blows and climb Schnebly Hill to get to the cowpies or just do the first part of Munds and then cut over. For sure descend back on Munds which is a hoot.

    Have fun and prepare for hikers. Lots of them especially on HiLine, Templeton, Baldwin, and Chuckwagon.
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    Excellent intel Rockman- many thanks for your detailed intel and time.
    I'm really psyched to get there and ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    My favorite long loop in the Dry Creek area is to park at the Cultural Center and ride CCW: Plumber's Crack>Color Cove>Girdner>Chuckwagon>Gunslinger>Mescal>Aeirie>Cockscomb>Western Civ>Last Frontier>Drano. That's 20 miles and feels like 30.
    Great info as always, rockman. Can you tell me where to pick up Plumber's Crack and Color Cove? I'm guessing PC must branch right off of Girdner before the intersection with Ledge-n-Airy? Once on PC, any hints on finding the intersection with Color Cove? Does Color Cove rejoin Girdner somewhere around Two Fence? Unfortunately, PC and Color Cove are not mapped on Trailforks.

    Also, I've never ridden Drano. I've only ridden the connector across from Lower Red Rock Loop, which connects to Last Frontier. Looks like if you ride Drano eastbound, it connects to Ledge-n-Airy. I've never figured out how to follow that section of Ledge-n-Airy back out to Arts Village Drive / Cultural Park Place. Is it just a scratch in the weeds that runs along 89A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimN View Post
    Great info as always, rockman. Can you tell me where to pick up Plumber's Crack and Color Cove? I'm guessing PC must branch right off of Girdner before the intersection with Ledge-n-Airy? Once on PC, any hints on finding the intersection with Color Cove? Does Color Cove rejoin Girdner somewhere around Two Fence? Unfortunately, PC and Color Cove are not mapped on Trailforks.

    Also, I've never ridden Drano. I've only ridden the connector across from Lower Red Rock Loop, which connects to Last Frontier. Looks like if you ride Drano eastbound, it connects to Ledge-n-Airy. I've never figured out how to follow that section of Ledge-n-Airy back out to Arts Village Drive / Cultural Park Place. Is it just a scratch in the weeds that runs along 89A?
    No, PC is an alternative to Girdner, the southern end of which sucks. Some call it Condo or Apt. trail but you pick it up behind the old construction trailer/recycling bins on the south end of the upper Cultural Park dirt lot. It's rough at first behind the condos but soon drops down into a minor drainage. Stay right at the first intersection and then left to cross the wash and climb up to the pipeline. Cross and you're on the equestrian connector to Color Cove. Make a left on another connector just before the houses that then climbs to an awesome viewpoint and then descends to connect to Girdner somewhere in the middle and before the Rupp intersection. That said, PC is only a bit better riding than Girdner but far more interesting.

    As for Drano if you've ridden Last Frontier and climbed back up to the Cultural Center then you've been on it. It pre-dates the Last Frontier build in 2012 or so and is in fact a reroute of an original trail I believe burned in by the MtnBikeHeaven crowd back in the 90s. It does connect to Ledge-n-Airy but is easy to miss.

    If your noticing a theme, Drano is another layout from the old days by a certain plumber in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    No, PC is an alternative to Girdner, the southern end of which sucks. Some call it Condo or Apt. trail but you pick it up behind the old construction trailer/recycling bins on the south end of the upper Cultural Park dirt lot. It's rough at first behind the condos but soon drops down into a minor drainage. Stay right at the first intersection and then left to cross the wash and climb up to the pipeline. Cross and you're on the equestrian connector to Color Cove. Make a left on another connector just before the houses that then climbs to an awesome viewpoint and then descends to connect to Girdner somewhere in the middle and before the Rupp intersection. That said, PC is only a bit better riding than Girdner but far more interesting.

    As for Drano if you've ridden Last Frontier and climbed back up to the Cultural Center then you've been on it. It pre-dates the Last Frontier build in 2012 or so and is in fact a reroute of an original trail I believe burned in by the MtnBikeHeaven crowd back in the 90s. It does connect to Ledge-n-Airy but is easy to miss.

    If your noticing a theme, Drano is another layout from the old days by a certain plumber in town.
    Thanks for all the great info!

    I've definitely never ridden Drano. I've only ever ridden 89A westbound to the intersection with Lower Red Rock Loop, and then taken the little short connector trail that takes you where Drano & Last Frontier come together. From there, I take Last Frontier to Western Civilization, Cockscomb, etc.

    I've also taken Girdner to Last Frontier to Western Civilization. For whatever reason, I've never tried circling back around and climbing up to Cultural Center. I usually end up over by the Chuckwagon/Lizardhead parking lot, so I just cruise back home via Dry Creek Road, etc.

    I now have enough information to try and figure out some of these lesser known trails. Anything is better than that part of Girdner. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    No, PC is an alternative to Girdner, the southern end of which sucks. Some call it Condo or Apt. trail but you pick it up behind the old construction trailer/recycling bins on the south end of the upper Cultural Park dirt lot. It's rough at first behind the condos but soon drops down into a minor drainage. Stay right at the first intersection and then left to cross the wash and climb up to the pipeline. Cross and you're on the equestrian connector to Color Cove. Make a left on another connector just before the houses that then climbs to an awesome viewpoint and then descends to connect to Girdner somewhere in the middle and before the Rupp intersection. That said, PC is only a bit better riding than Girdner but far more interesting.

    As for Drano if you've ridden Last Frontier and climbed back up to the Cultural Center then you've been on it. It pre-dates the Last Frontier build in 2012 or so and is in fact a reroute of an original trail I believe burned in by the MtnBikeHeaven crowd back in the 90s. It does connect to Ledge-n-Airy but is easy to miss.

    If your noticing a theme, Drano is another layout from the old days by a certain plumber in town.
    A little historical update about Drano. It was constructed around 2004 by Plumber Phil and his dogs. The trail started were Ledge'n'Airy gets close to Hwy 89A. From there it went West and followed the drainage that parallels 89A on the north side. When the drainage leveled out at the bottom it the route turned right out of the drainage.

    It headed over to and past the current Drano location about 50 yards. From that point it went straight uphill to the first high point of the Drano climb. The only riders who could clean the climb were the 2%'era like the NOD.

    The stretch of trail was an environmental nightmare and the builder should have lost his trail routing license.

    When Last Frontier appeared on the scene there was a need to be able to travel from the Dry Creek crossing to Ledge'n'Airy. Fortunately someone figured you could re-route Drano to be an easier climb and to be considered sustainable under current Sedona USFS guidelines.

    Now we are in the third stage of the Sedrama and in that stage we are waiting for the USFS to move forward with the Western Gateway Proposal (WGP) In that proposal there are 15 different trail proposals consisting of the adoption of very popular user created trails and the construction of new lesser skilled trails.

    Due to the significant size of the WGP the Categorical Exclusion process most likely won't be allowed. If they need a NEPA hundreds of thousands of dollars will be needed to complete the process, so please donate to the Sedona Red Rock Trail Fund.

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    Thunder Mountain, Two Fences and Girdner Trails are the best three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    Thunder Mountain, Two Fences and Girdner Trails are the best three.
    Yeaaaah I think I'll let you enjoy those trails.

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    Actually bombing down Two Fences is pretty fun. It's in pretty good shape. And there's nothing wrong with the north end of Girdner between Rupp and Chuckwagon. Not top 3 by any means but certainly fine for making bigger loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Actually bombing down Two Fences is pretty fun. It's in pretty good shape. And there's nothing wrong with the north end of Girdner between Rupp and Chuckwagon. Not top 3 by any means but certainly fine for making bigger loops.
    I dono, i rank 2 fences up there with supermoto. Think I'd rather ride a trainer in a speedo watching an episode of the Kardashians Than either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Definitely do Hangover. It's rather unique even for Moab. Even if your buddy has to walk some portions you'll be glad you did just for the experience. The views are phenomenal and there's just enough tech to make the Trailforks black rating seem like a Canadian Blue. Pass on climbing Munds Wagon which kinda blows and climb Schnebly Hill to get to the cowpies or just do the first part of Munds and then cut over. For sure descend back on Munds which is a hoot.
    This man speaks the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj View Post
    I dono, i rank 2 fences up there with supermoto. Think I'd rather ride a trainer in a speedo watching an episode of the Kardashians Than either.
    HA! My thoughts exactly except I would rather be watching Grey's Anatomy in a thong while laying in a tub of mayonnaise and sipping on a virgin pina colada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    HA! My thoughts exactly except I would rather be watching Grey's Anatomy in a thong while laying in a tub of mayonnaise and sipping on a virgin pina colada.
    Gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Gross.
    I think you meant "sexy AF"

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    Got a report tonight from a friend who rode Hangover today. He said there are a number of icy sections. One of the riders in the group CRASHED and dislocated his thumb while skidding off the trail.

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    Yeah, Hangover is not somewhere you want to be if there's ice. A couple Januarys ago I learned how even a little seeping snowmelt makes the off-camber slickrock the wrong kind of exciting.

    Of course, that ride I also took a wrong turn at the saddle and ended up lost on what I later learned was the old Damifino trail, but you live and learn.

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    I rode HO yesterday and it's in great shape. Just a couple of wet spots. No ice. Kudos to the trail steward who fixed the eroded v-shaped notch on the diagonal drop-in entry off the damifino saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I would agree with this. I'm assuming the OP is aware that in Sedona you actually link together a multitude of trails to make one loop. My favorites would be...

    1) Slim Shady to Hi-line to Baldwin to Templeton

    2) Chuckwagon to Mescal to Aerie to Cockscomb

    3) Hogs, Hog Heaven, High on the Hog Loop from Broken Arrow while swinging by Submarine Rock while you're out that way
    Just returned from Sedona- AWESOME trip. K2rider1974 these were great trail recommendations, thank you!

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    Lots of good input here.
    I'm headed to Sedona tomorrow. Was curious if anyone could recommend a good trail for a night ride? You know, less cliffs but that's not mandatory.

    Also, how about something I can also ride with my wife? She is an avid rider, real fit, just not a hucker. She can ride technical terrain like Moab offers but prefers the smoother fast trails. Something like Mag 7 area in Moab.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyac View Post
    Lots of good input here.
    I'm headed to Sedona tomorrow. Was curious if anyone could recommend a good trail for a night ride? You know, less cliffs but that's not mandatory.

    Also, how about something I can also ride with my wife? She is an avid rider, real fit, just not a hucker. She can ride technical terrain like Moab offers but prefers the smoother fast trails. Something like Mag 7 area in Moab.

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    Where are you staying and what night do yo want to ride? I might be going out to the Mescal area for a night ride if you are interested. No Mag 7 here, put I know the old Canadian who built the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    Where are you staying and what night do yo want to ride? I might be going out to the Mescal area for a night ride if you are interested. No Mag 7 here, put I know the old Canadian who built the trail.
    Staying at the Amara Spa.
    I could be interested. It will depend on the wife's idea of a valentine's getaway, if you know what I mean.
    My number is 970-749-5706 checknin with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyac View Post
    Staying at the Amara Spa.
    I could be interested. It will depend on the wife's idea of a valentine's getaway, if you know what I mean.
    My number is 970-749-5706 checknin with me.

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    Not sure what you mean about the Valantine's getaway night ride. I am offering to show you a night ride in the Mescal Area for you and your wife. This ride is suitable for couples of advanced intermediate skill level. The ride route will include: Longcanyon, Deadman's, Mescal, Yucca, Canyon of Fools, Oak, Mescal, To Long Canyon.

    You can look all those trails up on the Trailforks.com database. Let me know if you want to check it out.

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    Ha ha. Sorry for the confusion.
    I meant that my wife may have other ideas for my evening activity (dinner).
    But I would love to do a night ride.
    So let me know what you are thinking and if I can get away, I will.
    She is not interested in a night ride. It would just be me.

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    Noyac my recommdation for a night ride would be the ride I stated previously. I am sure many other Sedona MTBR members will recommend their favorite night ride. You might be interested in a more advanced ride. I am a lessor skilled rider so I was suggesting an advanced intermediate ride.

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    Thanks Switch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    Not sure what you mean about the Valantine's getaway night ride. I am offering to show you a night ride in the Mescal Area for you and your wife. This ride is suitable for couples of advanced intermediate skill level. The ride route will include: Longcanyon, Deadman's, Mescal, Yucca, Canyon of Fools, Oak, Mescal, To Long Canyon.

    You can look all those trails up on the Trailforks.com database. Let me know if you want to check it out.
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