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    Effort to Block Arizona Trail

    My father-in-law, along with others, is filing a lawsuit in an effort to block the opening of the Arizona Trail near his property in Flagstaff (near Snowbowl). This group just lost their fight at the administrative level and is now going to take it to the District Court. I suspect that they will seek to stay the trail opening pending the outcome of the litigation. Despite our discussions, I cannot get him to see beyond his NIMBY attitude. He continues to believe that the hikers and bikers that will be using the trail near his little shack up there will turn his place into the a$$ of hell. Funny, just last weekend he did some trail work on a new trail I think that is partially intended to offset the upcoming closure of Shultz to motorized vehicles.
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    What a goofball your FIL is. The a$$ of hell, I'm not sure what that means, but I don't think it's a good thing. Too bad you couldn't change his views on this subject.

    How close to his property will the trail be?

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    Tell Dad to stop being a cock. He lives in the forest; he doesn't own it.

    If the trail is near Snowbowl, there's an excellent chance it's going to be in wilderness, which means no bikes anyway. And can he point to other trails where comparable trail use has had any negative impact?
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    the trail could skirt the wilderness area...

    probably won't - but it could...



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    Its All NIMBY

    I think he doesn't want the hikers there either, although all of our discussions indicated that he beleived bikes would be allowed on the trail. One of his properties is about 2 miles off
    FR 151 and Hart Prairie and the other one is virtually adjacent to an area that was hit hard by a big fire in the mid 1990's, somewhat nearby his other property. Some news guy has a house out there I think. Can't remember how close the trail is by his property, but it may be 1 or 2 miles. I don't think he cares if bikes won't have a negative impact on the land, he just does not want anything to increase any kind of traffic in that area by his land. Although I prefaced it with I am not sure, I told him my opinion was that he would not notice a meaningful increase in human traffic from the AZ Trail.

    Maybe the problem is that he thinks all mtbers are pains like me because I have caused him a lot of stress over the years, mostly relating to control over who is in charge. Of course, I am, but neither he nor my wife know that yet.
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    Where did you get the nifty map?

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    http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/coconino/recreation/peaks/peaks_graphics/weatherford_tr.gif

    Hey Mike,

    It's from the forest service site for the Coconino Nat'l Forest. You can also find out this info by right-clicking on the foto and checking the "properties". If you do that you get:

    https://www.fs.fed.us/r3/coconino/re...herford_tr.gif



    (It was actually a map for the Weatherford Trail but it does show all the Kachina Peaks Wilderness Boundary)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelg
    probably won't - but it could...



    Add on Humphreys trial to the red Weatherford trail and that is the mega hike I plan to do one day the upcoming holiday weekend!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    .... to offset the upcoming closure of Shultz to motorized vehicles.
    Talk to me, please. Are the plans to shut down Shultz Road to vehicles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl
    Talk to me, please. Are the plans to shut down Shultz Road to vehicles?
    Maybe he means shut down the trail to motorcycles effectively, that's what I thought when I read it.
    I know in my heart that Ellsworth bikes are more durable by as much as double. AND they are all lighter...Tony Ellsworth

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    Shultz Creek Trail

    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl
    Talk to me, please. Are the plans to shut down Shultz Road to vehicles?
    I did not bother to get into details with him but I assumed that he meant that motor vehicles (motorcycles and ATVs, ect.) will no longer be permitted on Shultz Creek Trail.
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