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    City of Phoenix to consider closing hiking trails during extreme heat

    They don't specifically mention mountain bikes but I would assume the trails would be closed to all:

    City of Phoenix to consider closing hiking trails during extreme heat - ABC15 Arizona

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    It'll never happen. Too many trails, and no way to enforce it are 2 of the most obvious reasons why.
    This debate happens almost every summer.
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    I'm surprised it took this long for this idea to be floated. Have to protect the under prepared people from themselves I guess. The rescues do use up an inordinate amount of resources I would imagine. I do agree with the embargo on dogs when it gets hot though.
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    This debate is more than the usual rhetoric, there's a Phoenix City Council meeting tomorrow which is open to the public. The news I just heard is that they're proposing a 110 deg threshold for people and 100 deg for dogs/pets with fines as high as $2500 and some mention of a 6 month period (probation or something, I missed that detail).
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    WOW ! 75% of those polled on Azfamily.com, 3TV say the trails should be closed. It's the Parks and Recreation Dept. Board that will make the decision and if they close the trails it could happen as early as Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR1822 View Post
    No amount rules can fix stupid.
    Nailed it!

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    The problem will be getting off before it hits the close temp.

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    Saving Phonecians from themselves... what a novel idea. Now if only they could save Flagstaff from them.
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    Sorry folks, Wallyworld is CLOSED.

    Send a comment to the Phoenix Parks & Rec.

    What's next?
    UV is predicted to be above 9....CLOSED.
    20+ mph sustained winds today, too dusty...CLOSED.
    Reported lightning strike within 5 miles of the trailhead....CLOSED.

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    We have to think of the fire crews that are endangered when they are called to pull someone off the mountain.

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    No need to close the trails. Simply send the message that no rescue crews will be deployed above 100 degrees (if a dog is on the team) or 110, if no dog. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!
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    Maybe they should slap a big ole fine to the person that prompted the fire crews to go out and rescue their asses? Good luck enforcing a temperature based closure. But if they can use that as a way to penalize someone being dumb...

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    I don't mind the 100 degree rule when dogs are involved. Sorry but I've seen way too many dogs in heat related distress due to stupid owners. Yes, I know, some dogs can tolerate hot conditions, but most can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bituman View Post
    I don't mind the 100 degree rule when dogs are involved. Sorry but I've seen way too many dogs in heat related distress due to stupid owners. Yes, I know, some dogs can tolerate hot conditions, but most can't.

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    As we speak they are airlifting a heat related victim off the top of camelback. It's only on the 90's but the humidity will dehydrate you quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    As we speak they are airlifting a heat related victim off the top of camelback. It's only on the 90's but the humidity will dehydrate you quickly.
    Natural selection.

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    So if that helicopter has a mechanical and crashes would you still feel the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    with fines as high as $2500 and some mention of a 6 month period.
    Banishment during the summer? Doesn't seem like punishment really...
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    Ha! I did just see on the news that the measure was turned down. They are going to implement a 3 month pilot program for dogs though.
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    Banishment during the summer? Doesn't seem like punishment really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    As we speak they are airlifting a heat related victim off the top of camelback. It's only on the 90's but the humidity will dehydrate you quickly.
    This right here pretty much proves the point that setting a temp limit doesn't matter. You're always going to have heat related issues here. We see it every spring, when the temps are a cool & cozy 85º. Some tourist or local who hasn't been off the couch in months, decides to go for a hike/ride, doesn't carry enough fluids and gets in trouble. Sorry, but I don't see how closing city park trails is going to halt the heat related issues. People will still go out, but will go to more remote trails instead. Is that a safer alternative? Perhaps they could simply close the trailhead parking lots, that would deter most out of towners, but us local folk know how to access every nook & cranny of these parks.
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    The solution is water.
    Finding a way to implement it economically, etc. is the challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    The solution is water.
    Finding a way to implement it economically, etc. is the challenge.
    I disagree, you aren't going to get water pumped to every 1/2 mile on a trail, and that's what you'd need to do it IMO. The incredible toll that the sun takes on you with no cover in those temps can not be underestimated. Just because there's water at the trailhead doesn't mean you won't boil your brain inside your skull. Not practical IMO. In many of these places being a mile in might as well be 20 miles in for some people in some conditions.
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    The first locations would be related to the 200+ locations of past rescues. If a lot are in several locations, those would be potential sites. Bury a cistern with a 1 month capacity with a solar pump and monitor.

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    Well the news this morning said that trails won't be closed, but they will try out a rule to keep dogs off trails when 100 degrees is reached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Banishment during the summer? Doesn't seem like punishment really...
    Well documented, you can't handle.
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    Can we just let Darwin's Theory take over here? Those with the "stupid" genes will gradually die off and not procreate. Sure, might take a few generations and not rescuing the idiots.

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    I'd like to see horses banned anytime it goes over 70. Maybe 60.

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