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    AES McDowell 60 2011

    It's less than three weeks away and talk is popping up on various threads and other corners of the internet. Who's riding it this year?

    This year's new route has more hills and less Pemberton, which may appeal to the climber types. I was kicking around the stuff I had and put together a map with this year's route, I'm posting it for anyone interested.

    One is in simple JPG image format, the other is a KML version for Google Earth. Both include a base layer with the Fountain Hills "Big Picture" map that features all (ok, most) trails in the McDowells.

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    Sadly, I will be there.

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    In for my first AES ride. Unless I chicken out...

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    I also send my regrets, I will be there. There will be an afterparty at my house as well, with views of Toms Thumb from my third floor balcony.......




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    I'm already having nightmares about the climb up Prospector and the final leg buster up to Toms Thumb. Should be awesome.

    By the way, if you haven't visited the web page lately (9 The McDowell 60 | Arizona Endurance Series), please do that and sign up for the ride. Chad has added a spiffy (and easy) new registration process that will make it easier for him to keep track of who is riding.

    I assume that there will be name tags...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    I also send my regrets, I will be there. There will be an afterparty at my house as well, with views of Toms Thumb from my third floor balcony.......
    Is there a time cutoff for finishers who wish to partake in the post ride beverage consumption? I ride slow you know.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Is there a time cutoff for finishers who wish to partake in the post ride beverage consumption? I ride slow you know.....
    We will place a beer under your windshield wiper if we leave....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    We will place a beer under your windshield wiper if we leave....
    Please leave two this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    Please leave two this time.
    But of course...




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    McDowell 60

    I'm a first timer; can it be done with bottles or is a Camelbak a must have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pupous View Post
    I'm a first timer; can it be done with bottles or is a Camelbak a must have?

    Depends on how much you drink. Take a look at the map - there are two places to get water - pretty evenly space. I could easily do it with two bottles, but I don't drink that much - especially since it should be quite cool in the morning.

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    Has anyone verified the water is on at the bottom of Sunrise? Back in January, it was turned off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Has anyone verified the water is on at the bottom of Sunrise? Back in January, it was turned off.
    Not a confirmation, but it has been on for this ride the last two years. It would certainly be incovenient to not have water there.

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    I saw people drinking from it on Sunday a couple days ago.

    I'll be missing this year's ride, unfortunately. Everybody else go for it!

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    Thanks for the info!

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    uh buh-buh


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    I saw a post on the AES blog about not using the comp track because there was a running race going on. It seems like most of the posts have now been cleaned out so I'm wondering if that is true or was it a leftover post from last year. I have never ridden any of this route except Pemberton so I want to make sure I have good directions.

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    McDowell Mountain Frenzy Aravaipa Running

    Saturday, December 10, 2011

    50 Km 7AM; 25 Km 8AM;
    10 Mile 8:15AM; 5 Km 8:30AM
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    So there is a running race, thanks. It looks like there is more conflict than just the comp loop area. Anybody know what the McDowell 60 reroute will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    So there is a running race, thanks. It looks like there is more conflict than just the comp loop area. Anybody know what the McDowell 60 reroute will be?
    No comp loop. Easy since it is technically a loop that is off the course. GPX file will be up soon.

    Now you can session some of that Tom's Thumb stuff since it will be less mileage and you will be fresher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post

    Now you can session some of that Tom's Thumb stuff since it will be less mileage and you will be fresher.
    anything Maad can ride in a snowstorm is not session-worthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    So there is a running race, thanks. It looks like there is more conflict than just the comp loop area. Anybody know what the McDowell 60 reroute will be?
    Most of the runners will be on the comp loop - that is why they are closing it off. We can easily (and courteously) deal with the few runners on Dixie Mine or any of the other areas.

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    The new GPX will be up by tonight.

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    I'm hoping the trails are well signed or that I will be able to keep up with somebody who knows these trails a bit. I will download the gpx file to my GPS but I hate navigating by them. How many riders do you think will be there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    I'm hoping the trails are well signed or that I will be able to keep up with somebody who knows these trails a bit. I will download the gpx file to my GPS but I hate navigating by them. How many riders do you think will be there?
    there were a lot last year, mebbe 40? The trails are all well-signed, but you can miss stuff anytime you are tired and new to an area. Bring yer gps as a backup and study the map, this route will be easier than some of the other AES ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    I'm hoping the trails are well signed or that I will be able to keep up with somebody who knows these trails a bit. I will download the gpx file to my GPS but I hate navigating by them. How many riders do you think will be there?
    50 as of this morning

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    I am SO bummed I can't make this....
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    GPX is up and ready to put on your GPS. Print some maps. Buy the beer. See you in the parking lot tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post
    Buy the beer. See you in the parking lot tomorrow!
    Tomorrow? Somebody already bought the beer and has started drinking it too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelg View Post
    Tomorrow?
    Ooooopppsssss silly me.

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    My mtn wheels are out of commission, as it my heart after taking a few weeks off, but I hope to participate in some of AES in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    I'm hoping the trails are well signed or that I will be able to keep up with somebody who knows these trails a bit. I will download the gpx file to my GPS but I hate navigating by them. How many riders do you think will be there?
    Bring some duct tape and two AA bateries. I have an extra GPS unit for you.

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    60 people signed up for the McDowell 60 tomorrow. Remember to bring the cue sheets and/or GPS, beer and a chair. Name tags and fun will be provided.

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    Thanks to our new chip system, we can post the results the same day...McDowell 60 Results

    Great ride and fun post-ride party in Basha's parking lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post
    Thanks to our new chip system, we can post the results the same day...McDowell 60 Results

    Great ride and fun post-ride party in Basha's parking lot!
    DNS my a$$! My legs tell a different story! I was in just before Schilling and Buchanan with a time of 8:37 (Eaton). But that's ok. The nametag and actually seeing people at the end made up for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    DNS my a$$! My legs tell a different story! I was in just before Schilling and Buchanan with a time of 8:37 (Eaton). But that's ok. The nametag and actually seeing people at the end made up for it.
    It seems our chip system made a mistake. I fixed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post
    It seems our chip system made a mistake. I fixed it
    It's bound to happen with new technology. Its nice to see AES come of age. Another great event. Can't wait till next year. Thanks!
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    Dag, I was wondering if you saw that!! I wanted to gloat for at least a day or so!! Way to crush it coming down TT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post
    It seems our chip system made a mistake. I fixed it
    werd. muthafugga did half that on a single-speed. way to go Seron!
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    Here are a few snaps from today, I didn't take many.

    Dag Nabbit showing me how to clean this section without breaking fingers
    From AES - McDowell 46


    A little Tom's Thumb HAB for your enjoyment
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    Great view from the top!
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    Jonathan cresting the top of TT.
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    Also, if anyone left an article of bicycle related gear behind at the post-ride, PM me.
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    Wow, what a great day. Started with a full lunar eclipse, just before dawn. Then we had a really great day with perfect temps for riding. And it all ended up with fun, food, and drinks as we took over the Bashas parking lot for our post ride chill session.

    We had a unexpected rider show up - Jeremiah Bishop. With him and Krista our little grass roots race had two pro riders, both of whom were recently picked to be part of the 2012 Olympic long team. Just goes to show that you don't have to have big prizes to attract pro riders.

    Looking forward to APC.

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    Awesome fun yesterday...the eclipse made me ride harder for reasons I can't explain...




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    Good Job Seron - Half SS, Half Gear! Breaking off that shifter level to reduce bike weight is a little extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    werd. muthafugga did half that on a single-speed. way to go Seron!
    Quote Originally Posted by rjwmtnbiker View Post
    Good Job Seron - Half SS, Half Gear! Breaking off that shifter level to reduce bike weight is a little extreme.
    Thanks fellas. Yeah, after smashing my up-shift trigger in the hatchback, I could only down shift. That left me with three gears to start. I was down to one by the time I was going up Quartz. So it was 32x34 until Dixie Mine that I figured I could up shift by pushing in the little bit of lever that was still left. I was super spun out so something had to be done.

    Otherwise it was a great day. I got high fived by one hiker, cheered on by a group of Japanese hikers coming down Sunrise, and cowbelled by another hiker at the bottom of Sunrise. Who says we can't get along! I even got to race with some pros, which I didn't know until the end when I kinda felt like puking.

    Got a few nice shots. Here's a little morning lunar eclipse.
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    The Fountain, which is happy to see us.


    John got a little touchy-feely with nature.


    Am I boring you with my steady spun out 8mph?


    The top of Tom's Thumb is really cool.


    Jonathan making his way down.


    Pretty great day on the bike. I love a tough ride like that. It'll make you grin for a few days.
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    Seron, I think your shifter issue was just the biking gods telling you that gears are not for you. Gears are evil...they put marks in your car and make you have overdeveloped thumbs...
    Awesome job and great pics!

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    Yeah Seron, that 32 x 34 was a bit of karma for you laughing at me on the paved flats of the BCT ride a few weeks ago....

    Great shots, and yes, that cholla was in deep! Turned my finger into a pincushion.
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    This was my first AES event but it won't be my last. Great time with great people. It was a fun route with plenty of climbing. I was not sure I was up to it before the race but my 13 year old daughter reminded me that is better to regret having done something than to regret not having done it. My goal was to just pace myself and finish no matter how long it took and it worked. At about 20 miles I realized that I was already more tired than I was after doing 68 miles of the BCT in a day. I gotta get some climbing legs. I actually enjoyed the HAB up TT as a break from pedaling.

    A big thanks to Seron and John for helping me navigate. After I last saw you guys at prospector I had to get out the map several times.

    It was good to meet some of the gang at the finish and I hope to meet more next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Seron, I think your shifter issue was just the biking gods telling you that gears are not for you. Gears are evil...they put marks in your car and make you have overdeveloped thumbs...
    Awesome job and great pics!
    Maybe I am due for a singlespeed renaissance. The 1x9 is spoiling me, no doubt. I really did the big thumbs though - I'm never without a ride. People just stop and pick me up!

    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Yeah Seron, that 32 x 34 was a bit of karma for you laughing at me on the paved flats of the BCT ride a few weeks ago....

    Great shots, and yes, that cholla was in deep! Turned my finger into a pincushion.
    Lauging? I'm sure I wasn't laughing....Chuckling, most certainly. I love the silent stare of pain after you ripped out the cholla.


    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    A big thanks to Seron and John for helping me navigate. After I last saw you guys at prospector I had to get out the map several times.

    It was good to meet some of the gang at the finish and I hope to meet more next time.
    Chris
    It was good to meet the lower case gila monster. We could have given you more directions too if you would have just slowed down a bit.
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    Ya, I got the high five and the cow bell too! Pretty awesome!!

    I almost bailed on this one. Been fighting off a cold all week and felt like crap at the start, but once I warmed up I felt pretty good. I prepared myself for the the added beat down on Prospector, but took it slow and actually stayed on my bike for the climbs. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It seemed like we got to Tom's Thumb quick this time, but the last bit of trail on the west side of the mountain always takes longer than I expect it to.

    Three years ago the AES McDowell 60 was my first big mountain bike ride. I was DFL, got lost, finished in the dark with no lights, and out of water with a broken derailer, but I was happy that I did it.

    This year I felt pretty strong and am stoked with a mid pack finish!

    The AES events are super cool. Thanks to Chad and Jeff and who ever else is involved for putting them together! In the 3 years I've done it it's gone from about 20 riders at the start to almost 50!

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    My "recovery" ride yesterday turned into a 7 hour bike ride as we scouted out the new Arizona Trail for the APC. It was supposed to be shorter, but the route turned out to be a little harder than expected, although the payoff (see below) was worth the extra climbing.

    Expect the both APC courses to be about 1 hour longer because of some fun, new AZT singletrack!


    Some teaser pics:


    Antelope Peak in upper left corner












    This new singletrack takes the place of the old gasline and bloodsucker wash route. I will have the GPX file up by the end of this week. The start time for the 115 miler will be earlier, we are thinking around 5am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl View Post

    The AES events are super cool. Thanks to Chad and Jeff and who ever else is involved for putting them together! In the 3 years I've done it it's gone from about 20 riders at the start to almost 50!
    Donna, well done! I hope AES comes across this way for everyone...improving and pushing mtbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    This was my first AES event but it won't be my last. Great time with great people. It was a fun route with plenty of climbing. I was not sure I was up to it before the race but my 13 year old daughter reminded me that is better to regret having done something than to regret not having done it. My goal was to just pace myself and finish no matter how long it took and it worked. At about 20 miles I realized that I was already more tired than I was after doing 68 miles of the BCT in a day. I gotta get some climbing legs. I actually enjoyed the HAB up TT as a break from pedaling.

    A big thanks to Seron and John for helping me navigate. After I last saw you guys at prospector I had to get out the map several times.

    It was good to meet some of the gang at the finish and I hope to meet more next time.

    Chris
    I had your GPS...did not find you in the morning.

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    pics along the way...

    Wow, that was a blast! Here's a few pics taken while servicing a singing rotor. New pads, light dust and steady Sunrise ascent got real annoying. They were surely worn down well on the Tom's DH. Kick#$$ test. Thanks to my buds who had the route properly downloaded on their GPS. Ton of fun. Thanks guys for gettin the word out. AES McDowell 60 2011-mcdowell-mtn-aes-60-1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by azepicriderandrunner View Post
    Donna, well done! I hope AES comes across this way for everyone...improving and pushing mtbers.
    Thanks Chad! What doesn't kill you does eventually make you stronger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl View Post
    Thanks Chad! What doesn't kill you does eventually make you stronger!
    Or make you wish it did...
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    I need to ride one of these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA Monkeybutt View Post
    I need to ride one of these things.
    Cholla has a best hits route that will scratch your itch for the time being.....Out There: A winters rain

    It won't earn you a nametag though......




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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Pain is a reminder that you are alive and breathing....as long as you stay on that side of the coil, you're doing well.
    Based on that motto, sounds like you just signed up for the AZT 300.

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    I definitely liked this years course better with Prospector and without so much of the flat sandy section of Pemberton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl View Post
    I definitely liked this years course better with Prospector and without so much of the flat sandy section of Pemberton.
    I really like that Prospector climb. Been on it three times in the last couple months and its just short enough that I feel I have to make it every time. I made it the first two times, but had the littlest dab on Saturday. Took me 20 minutes. Pretty happy with that considering all the riding that was done before it that day. I was kinda glad the comp loops were cut too. Not only would it have added another 1.5 hours probably (making by day 10+) but it is kinda flat and meh, compared to the rest of the day.

    What should be done, is after Prospector, keep going up and over Bell, around to Windgate, down through Windmill, Coachwhip, Dixie Mine, some Pemby over to Avalanche or Rock Knob, ending up and over TT. Just to try and push the vertical feet over 8k. I wonder if there is some way to get 60 miles and 10k ft out of MSP - we could have our own local PMC!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    What should be done, is after Prospector, keep going up and over Bell, around to Windgate, down through Windmill, Coachwhip, Dixie Mine, some Pemby over to Avalanche or Rock Knob, ending up and over TT. Just to try and push the vertical feet over 8k. I wonder if there is some way to get 60 miles and 10k ft out of MSP - we could have our own local PMC!
    ick. that is almost the Quad Bypass route, except the colossal sado-masochism of pushing up the north side of Tom's Thumb. I liked the single track through the Park. I like Granite and Bluff trails better. combining that with hiking up East End and down TT would be better, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    ick. that is almost the Quad Bypass route, except the colossal sado-masochism of pushing up the north side of Tom's Thumb. I liked the single track through the Park. I like Granite and Bluff trails better. combining that with hiking up East End and down TT would be better, imo.
    Yep, I was thinking the same thing ... pretty much the Quad at that point. I was glad Prospector, and the climbing, ended when it did and it made for a fun downhill.

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    Yep, mentally, after climbing the jeep road after Sunrise, I just kept thinking, "2 tough sections before a big break...Sonoran(suck) and Prospector. Prospector was for sure a beatdown on the SS, but at least its rideable and scenic.
    As for DN's suggestion, I think that boy needs his head examined. I'm all for a good sufferfest, but jebus, that would make my legs fall off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    ick. that is almost the Quad Bypass route, except the colossal sado-masochism of pushing up the north side of Tom's Thumb. I liked the single track through the Park. I like Granite and Bluff trails better. combining that with hiking up East End and down TT would be better, imo.
    I guess it is a Quad with TT at the end, pretty much. Just looking to add to the S&M fun factor. Its not much more than we did, really. We were almost to the top of Bell anyway, then just add Windgate. I didn't mind the TT HAB too much....I got there a bit quicker than I thought I would. I would prefer East End though. It has a little more riding to it. Coming down from Prospector is good times too, to be sure.

    You see, the secret is, go slow enough, and its all easy.

    Or get some gears! Ray, you might be the one that needs their head examined! That is one super tough route on a SS, and your time was killer. You were literally riding with the pros. You could have driven to Flagstaff by the time we finished! Nice effort!
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    The McDowells are starting to look pretty small according to Dag Nabbit, sounds like he needs bigger mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    The McDowells are starting to look pretty small according to Dag Nabbit, sounds like he needs bigger mountains.
    Heh, I wouldn't quite say that. Maybe just a smaller appetite for suffering. Being slowly beat to a pulp is quite liberating. Pain shall set you free!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    Heh, I wouldn't quite say that. Maybe just a smaller appetite for suffering. Being slowly beat to a pulp is quite liberating. Pain shall set you free!

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    As we slowly get faster at these long rides we have to think of ways to keep the pain & suffering the same, so we add climbs & miles!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    As we slowly get faster at these long rides we have to think of ways to keep the pain & suffering the same, so we add climbs & miles!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    and leave parts at the car
    Parts are way overrated.... especially shifty bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    You were literally riding with the pros. You could have driven to Flagstaff by the time we finished! Nice effort!
    Little did Krista know, I had hooked a rope on her seatpost and she was towing me....right up the point where she cleaned almost every switchback coming down TT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjwmtnbiker View Post
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