So after a new bike and upgrades, I am tapped on mountain bike outlays. So when shopping for flats shoes I was trying to find a low cost alternative.
Right now at the Vans store, the Vans Docket shoe - which looks more like today's skate/bmx shoe than the old school vans is $49.99. I decided to buy them on the premise that they would let me return if I didn't use them. I wanted to do a side-by-side look over compared to the 5 10s my buddy rides with.

After doing that, decided they were darn close in design, flexibility and grip and went ahead and rode with them yesterday.

They are great shoes and my loyalties to Vans from BMX 30 years ago were kept in check.