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    No Shoes,No Shirt,No Intolerant Immigrants

    Immigrants not able to accept liberal attitudes need not apply

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...081496,00.html

    The Sunday Times March 12, 2006

    Holland launches the immigrant quiz

    TWO MEN kissing in a park and a topless woman bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants to the Netherlands.
    The reactions of applicants — including Muslims — will be examined to see whether they are able to accept the country’s liberal attitudes.

    From this Wednesday, the DVD — which also shows the often crime-ridden ghettos where poorer immigrants might end up living — will form part of an entrance test, in Dutch, covering the language and culture of Holland.

    Those sitting the test will be expected to identify William of Orange and to know which country Crown Princess Maxima comes from (Argentina) and whether hitting women and female circumcision are permitted.

    Muslim leaders in Holland say the film is offensive. “It really is a provocation aimed to limit immigration. It has nothing to do with the rights of homosexuals. Even Dutch people don’t want to see that,” said Abdou Menebhi, the Moroccan-born director of Emcemo, an organisation that helps immigrants to settle.

    He added: “They are trying to find every pretext to show that people should not come to the Netherlands because they are fundamentalist or not emancipated. They confront people with these things and then judge them afterwards.”

    Famile Arslan, 34, an immigration lawyer of Turkish origin, agreed. “I have lived here for 30 years and have never been witness to two men kissing in the park. So why are they confronting people with that?” she said.

    She accused the government of preaching tolerance about civil rights while targeting non-westerners with harsh and discriminatory immigration curbs.

    The new test — the first of its kind in the world — marks another step in the transformation of Holland from one of Europe’s most liberal countries to the one cracking down hardest on immigration.

    Rita Verdonk, the immigration minister known as Iron Rita, has introduced compulsory integration classes, higher age limits for marriage to people from abroad and the removal of residency permits if immigrants commit petty crimes. She has also talked of banning the burqa.

    The measures were prompted in part by outrage over the 2004 murder of Theo Van Gogh, who had made a film about the oppression of women in Muslim communities.

    Applicants will sit the exam at one of 138 embassies around the world. They will answer 15 minutes of questions and those who pass the first stage will have to complete two “citizenship” tests over five years and swear a pledge of allegiance to Holland and its constitution.

    The centre-right government of Jan Peter Balkenende, the prime minister, believes the tests will provide an objective way of assessing the suitability of applicants by gauging how well prepared they are to make the transition to Dutch life and their willingness to integrate.

    Critics complain that people living in the mountains of Morocco or rural villages in Pakistan will not be able to make the long journey to cities for Dutch language lessons. According to Instituut Oranje, a Dutch language school, someone with a low level of education would require 250 hours of tuition, costing £1,200, to pass the tests.

    The total bill of £1,495 — including £55 for a preparatory test pack and DVD and £240 for the exam — makes the process unaffordable for many.

    Dirk Nieuwboer, a Dutch journalist based in Istanbul, said the multiple-choice cultural test included a question about how to behave in a cafe if two men at the next table started kissing. “There was another question about which former Dutch colony a particular spice came from,” said Nieuwboer. “Most Dutch people don’t know these things.”

    However, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, a socialist from the parliament’s immigration committee, said the film had been created to help prepare people for “open-minded” attitudes on issues such as homosexuality. “We have lots of ****-discrimination, especially by Muslim youngsters who harass gay men and women on the streets. It is an issue here.”

    A spokeswoman for Verdonk said an edited version of the DVD would be available for showing in Middle Eastern countries such as Iran where it would be illegal to possess images of homosexuality.
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    I think a country has a right to choose who will best fit in with the current culture and people living there. This shouldn't be based on origin or religion but the ability to accept and get along with others. After experiancing Nazi occupation Holland has a understandble position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan on a stick
    I think a country has a right to choose who will best fit in with the current culture and people living there. This shouldn't be based on origin or religion but the ability to accept and get along with others.
    Haha, be careful what you wish for! What makes you so sure that tolerance isn't tied in with origin or religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T 3
    Immigrants not able to accept liberal attitudes need not apply

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...081496,00.html
    Quite funny....they had the test in yesterday's evening paper, and some of the questions are pretty odd. About half the locals would fail, because nobody paid attention in history class during grade school. Things like "Was the king of Spain Catholic?" and "How long did the war with Spain last?" are things I missed out on as well, as I went to an American school back then Weirdest of the lot was the question: "What is the most important law in Holland?" Uh.....I could think of at least three!

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    Wake up, America! Our borders, language, and culture are being threatened, and itís up to us, as principled patriotic citizens, to defend and protect the freedoms we cherish. - Michael Savage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan on a stick
    I think a country has a right to choose who will best fit in with the current culture and people living there. This shouldn't be based on origin or religion but the ability to accept and get along with others. After experiancing Nazi occupation Holland has a understandble position.
    I agree with the first part of your post, but I strongly suspect that this test is pretty similar to the laws past in the south to keep blacks from voting.
    Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankBooth
    Wake up, America! Our borders, language, and culture are being threatened...
    ... by Zionists like Mr. Savage who control our government and media on both the left and right.

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    Last time I checked, Frank

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankBooth
    Wake up, America! Our borders, language, and culture are being threatened, and itís up to us, as principled patriotic citizens, to defend and protect the freedoms we cherish. - Michael Savage
    we stole this country from those that were here before us. So, wouldn't that make your statement rather hypocritical? Didn't we do the same thing you describe above to others and rationlized/justified it? I don't see why these immigrants (which all of our forefathers/mothers were at one time) aren't entitled to the very same illicit/deceiptful methods (our forefathers/mothers used) to get what we, now, have? Didn't we change the language, the culture, the freedoms, etc., during that process...the exact same process you now rail against?

    I'm 1/16 Cherokee Indian, so I want my country back AND my MTV!

    Remember: Those who forget history are condemned.....you get the picture, right?

    Your statement above is just more evidence of your "subtlely" hegemonic and homogenic racism. (You try to deny/hide it, but not very well)

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    Keep your radicals , only open minded need apply. Learn our culture and language . No where do they ask for applicants to loose their heritage .

    Very reasonable conditions for migration .
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    Hey, Chief..

    Quote Originally Posted by Chief
    we stole this country from those that were here before us. So, wouldn't that make your statement rather hypocritical? Didn't we do the same thing you describe above to others and rationlized/justified it? I don't see why these immigrants (which all of our forefathers/mothers were at one time) aren't entitled to the very same illicit/deceiptful methods (our forefathers/mothers used) to get what we, now, have? Didn't we change the language, the culture, the freedoms, etc., during that process...the exact same process you now rail against?

    I'm 1/16 Cherokee Indian, so I want my country back AND my MTV!

    Remember: Those who forget history are condemned.....you get the picture, right?

    Your statement above is just more evidence of your "subtlely" hegemonic and homogenic racism. (You try to deny/hide it, but not very well)
    ....blood brother, I am 25% Sioux! I guess that entitles us to speak a bit more daringly on racial issues, since I am not pure white, and neither are you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief
    we stole this country from those that were here before us.
    Oh jeez what next...

    slavery reparations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan on a stick
    I think a country has a right to choose who will best fit in with the current culture and people living there. This shouldn't be based on origin or religion but the ability to accept and get along with others. After experiancing Nazi occupation Holland has a understandble position.

    For the US,insisting that immigrants enter legally would be a great start.If showing them a film is what it takes I'm all for it,hell I'll even donate some popcorn,a few cases of dots,ju ju bees and some milkduds for 'em to munch on while they're watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruinane
    I agree with the first part of your post, but I strongly suspect that this test is pretty similar to the laws past in the south to keep blacks from voting.
    Not really. If you want I can dig up a copy and translate, but most of the questions are easily answered if you have a little of bit of an idea about the country you're about to emigrate to. As I think I said earlier, any grade school kid could pass the test no problem if they paid only a bit of attention. As the government is working on providing language and 'culture' lessons to recent immigrants and would-be immigrants. It should be a piece of cake......

    This country has a huge immigrant population - which is fine with me - but the inability of some people to integrate and function within society places both a burden on them as society as a whole. Contrary to the US, we don't print ANYTHING in languages other than Dutch and occasionaly English, so if you don't speak the lingo you have a problem. Also, some things we accept in this country as 'normal' wouldn't fly in Saharan Africa (for example), or the other way around. A large percentage of current or recent immigration is from countries around the Mediterranean and the ME. There are some pretty significant cultural differences, which people should be made aware of, IMHO if necessary by force (as in: by having to take some kind of test). People form Australia/Canada/New Zealand/UK/USA are exempt, by the way.

    I suspect this test was in part introduced to make the voters at home happy, as the country already has quite strict immigration laws. However, we have a serious issue with immigrants not being willing or able to function normally in society, and instead ending up workless and in some ghetto in the center of town. The 'able' part of it is completely a question of local bureaucracy - legislation is so complex it is difficult to actually get a foothold in this country. Not being 'willing' to function is partially solved with an entrance exam. Frankly I think if you have no interest in learning the language, accepting the culture, or the country itself, you have no place here.

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    On the surface this test could be troubling...however, upon further review the actual question is a bit less alarming...

    "If you encounter two men kissing in the park you would...."

    a) nod approvingly and be glad that you live in a country with tolerate attitudes for all of it's citizens
    b) scowl, spit on the ground but otherwise pass them without encounter
    c) immediately declare a jihad and cut the mens head off with a sabre
    d) join in

    Only one wrong answer here and I guess it's good to weed out people with proclivities for swords and beheadings.

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