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    need new shoes ...a few questions please

    i just discovered that my shoes aren't as perfect as i thought ...

    when i started using the backs of my legs i discovered that it makes my feet hurt on the sides ...no matter how loose or tight the shoes are ...

    feels like when you accidently trap your 5th metatarsel(sp) when taping your ankle or foot ...but worse ...i am thinking that it could be the cheap pearl izumi vagabonds i am currently using and want to look into getting some thing in the 100 to 150 dollar range for my next shoe ...

    don't know much about shoes though so i figured you folks are allways very helpfull so i might as well find out what you think ...

    any suggestions ?

    thanks in advance ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by laotsu42
    i just discovered that my shoes aren't as perfect as i thought ...

    when i started using the backs of my legs i discovered that it makes my feet hurt on the sides ...no matter how loose or tight the shoes are ...

    feels like when you accidently trap your 5th metatarsel(sp) when taping your ankle or foot ...but worse ...i am thinking that it could be the cheap pearl izumi vagabonds i am currently using and want to look into getting some thing in the 100 to 150 dollar range for my next shoe ...

    don't know much about shoes though so i figured you folks are allways very helpfull so i might as well find out what you think ...

    any suggestions ?

    thanks in advance ...
    finding shoes has always been a nightmare for me. I suffer from hot foot and have tried so many pairs, tight ones, loose ones, bought aftermarket superfeet foot beds, moved my cleats back, etc...

    Lately I tried some looser shoes to see if that would help, and I still get hotfoot (numbness in toes), and the loose shoes slip in the heel while hike-a biking and are scarier on the downhills, so I'm going back to a snugger shoe.

    Suggestions:
    -i think snugger is better for mountain biking especially on technical downhill trails

    -don't trust the sock liners that come with most shoes, they are usually thin crap. Specialized makes a Body geometry sock liner insert that is supposed to help with hot foot. It does feel better than a typical sock liner, but it didn't help me. I do feel more comfortable with some Superfeet inserts in any of my shoes instead of the stock sock liner.

    -A snug heel is important for when you are hike a biking

    -Ability to adjust snugness on the fly is good for when your feet swell later in a ride, or if you want to tighten it up for a downhill

    -depending on where you live or if you are going to race or do cyclocross having ability to add toe spikes is nice

    -some shoes have laces and straps some are only straps. Laces take more time to put on but found that your could dial in fit better. dunno just personal opinion on that

    -sizing is so across the board it is sad. A 41 in one shoe will not be a 41 in another. I've been doing the ebay shoe thing, buying and reselling, and chalk up the cost of my shipping as a rental fee. I have fun doing the buying/selling, but it would have been better in the long run to find a good local shop with A LOT of selection and pay the full retail to try out many shoes. Or buy from Performance or Nashbar who have 100% return policy.

    -I've read conflicting suggestions for how tight they should be. Some say that if they are too loose, any movement build up friction and heat and causes soar spots and hot foot. Others say that if it is too tight the toes get too constricted and get numb. I don't know, but for best energy transfer tighter is better.

    -Stiffer soles make walking harder, but are better energy transfer. More race type shoes usually have stiffer soles.

    -think about two pairs, one for winter and one for summer. Winter one with less ventlialtion and slightly bigger to allow wearing bigger socks.

    -try on shoes later in day when your feet are their biggest

    -look closely at the opening in the tread for the cleats. If the opening is too small, I've found it so much easier for my SPD cleats to have difficulty entering the pedal with any mud at all. With some TIME shoes I tried, the cleat was almost next to the tread and it was almost impossible to clip in at all. I've had to shave away tread before to make them less prone to mud clogging.

    -Think about shoe weight a little. Some like Carnacs are known for being heavier. This makes them alsmost bullet proof over time, but all that pedaling of a heavier shoe adds up.

    -Depending on how hard you ride, you may only get 2 seasons out of them. Some get a lot more.

    -Brands I've tried and think are ok incude
    -Lake, Diadora, Answer, Sidi, Gaerne, Specialized
    Best values are probably Lake, they seem underated. Expect to pay a lot for new Sidi. A lot of people like the specialized shoes.

    just my opinions, but good shoes are worth it.

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    Here's my input for what it's worth, probably not much .

    I will not purchase any shoes that do not have laces. I use to think that straps only was the _real_ MTB shoes, nothing like being niave and following the herd. Laces make it much easier to adjust how tight or loose the shoe fits. This is MTBing, not a triathlon. Some manufacturers have this figured out, some do not...

    I now only were thicker wool socks. Call me crazy, but with the thicker socks and lace up shoes, I no longer get hot spots or numb feet. I've ridding many, many hours with no foot problems.

    If you are new to MTBing (hike-a-bike) you might want to get some shoes that might be easier to walk in, less aggressive tread. The aggressive tread look doesn't make sense to me, but oh well...

    I'm currently wearing the specialized rock hoppers (?), and the diadora gekos. Having two pairs of different shoes is nice, somedays you want something different...
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    Quote Originally Posted by laotsu42
    i just discovered that my shoes aren't as perfect as i thought ...

    when i started using the backs of my legs i discovered that it makes my feet hurt on the sides ...no matter how loose or tight the shoes are ...

    feels like when you accidently trap your 5th metatarsel(sp) when taping your ankle or foot ...but worse ...i am thinking that it could be the cheap pearl izumi vagabonds i am currently using and want to look into getting some thing in the 100 to 150 dollar range for my next shoe ...

    don't know much about shoes though so i figured you folks are allways very helpfull so i might as well find out what you think ...

    any suggestions ?

    thanks in advance ...
    For the perfect fit, I wear shoes that are a size too small and lose the socks all together. I started going sockless in my Ice Hockey days and found that as long as you start with a good pair of skates/shoes, the lack of socks leads to an amazing fit. Call me crazy, but it's worked for the last 9 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDoctor
    For the perfect fit, I wear shoes that are a size too small and lose the socks all together. I started going sockless in my Ice Hockey days and found that as long as you start with a good pair of skates/shoes, the lack of socks leads to an amazing fit. Call me crazy, but it's worked for the last 9 years.



    i did that with a set of soccer shoes when i was a kid and you are correct(but yes they were ripe) but i have athletes foot and to keep it under control i wear clean socks every day and change socks after workouts too ....
    have to use jogging socks though ...can't afford/refuse to pay that much for the cycling specific socks ...does that make me a fred

    P.S. thanks for all the advice i think after consideration i think will go for the specialized bg pros or comps ...as allways the advice here rocks thanks guys ...
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    If you're having pain on the outside edge of your foot you're probably doing one of two things, or both. Your foot naturally supinates when pedalling to straighten out the knee. Because of this you're putting more pressure on the outside edge of the foot and you make that outside edge hurt. I had to get my feet measured and then wedges put under my cleats to correct that, I get no foot pain now.

    The other thing I was doing was pedalling with my knees to the outside. Keep your knees in!!! It relieves pressure on the outside edge of the foot and is more efficient.

    Specialized shoes have a 2 deg tilt to the footbed to help correct the natural supination, but most people need more. Lemond LeWedges is what I used. Any good place that does fit setups should be able to do this for you.

    When you try on the specialized shoes they're going to feel funny, they've got a very solid arch support and walking around in them is not comfortable at first, give them time. I had to ride in mine a while before they were totally comfortable, but now when I get done racing the only thing that doesn't hurt is my feet.

    Good luck.

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    Some good stuff here, so I'll not add to those answers.

    Since one usually ends up with more then one set of shoes(I have 5 now), one can make some "use specific" pairs for diff conditions. After snag'n some S-152's (the blue pair)for $49 at Nashbar(retail was like $120-149 bepending on who you believe), I decided to prep my old Sid i Rampa's for dry conditions racing(or the most used in reality). A light shoe to begin with, but after using the ol' bench grinder and grinding off about a 3rd of the cleats, I now have some shoes that a full 3rd pound lighter then the 152s at a cool 676gms for the pair. Thats light compared to any shoe. This is very noticeable after swap'n shoes. Then...combined with Twin Ti Eggs, carbon cranks, hollowpin roadie chain and light rings/DA cassette, Ti spoked superlight wheels and light tires...well, you now have a measureble advantage over the course of a race. It all adds up. I keep the 152s for wet or more demanding races, like the Pisgah Death march race I just did, where I spend like what seemed like a 4th of the race with the bike on my back while crossing rivers and climbing waterbars and such. I also snag'd some Sid i Storms for $50 last Fall. Yes indeedy! Those are obv. my winter race shoes. Heheh.

    The shoes. Note darker grinding points. Maybe too much time on my hands, but it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mward
    If you're having pain on the outside edge of your foot you're probably doing one of two things, or both. Your foot naturally supinates when pedalling to straighten out the knee. Because of this you're putting more pressure on the outside edge of the foot and you make that outside edge hurt. I had to get my feet measured and then wedges put under my cleats to correct that, I get no foot pain now.

    The other thing I was doing was pedalling with my knees to the outside. Keep your knees in!!! It relieves pressure on the outside edge of the foot and is more efficient.

    Specialized shoes have a 2 deg tilt to the footbed to help correct the natural supination, but most people need more. Lemond LeWedges is what I used. Any good place that does fit setups should be able to do this for you.

    When you try on the specialized shoes they're going to feel funny, they've got a very solid arch support and walking around in them is not comfortable at first, give them time. I had to ride in mine a while before they were totally comfortable, but now when I get done racing the only thing that doesn't hurt is my feet.

    Good luck.
    great info ...thanks mward that should help allot too ...
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    thanks duck ...

    one of the reasons i started with the lightest bike i could afford is so i can start subtracting by upgrading parts slowly my next purchase is going to be a lighter and more durable wheel set ...kinda scared of grinding things though ...what did you grind was it the edges of the soles ? maybee it's this computer but i can't see in the pics too well

    i have considered getting a couple more pairs for seasonal stuff but we don't get many seasons here in new mexico just hot cold and wind and the cold isn't that bad i used leg warmers and a couple of jersys and a pi windbreaker all year and as far as shoes for wet conditions ...we don't get that much ... ...but i still need to focus on selling pottery this year before i can think about extra any thing ...hopefully i should be able to get at least $2000 at galleries ...but you never know ...and if i do as much as i'd like to buy more gear i think i'll ( for my own sanity ) start taking my hours down at work ...and if i can fulfill my new years res to become at least partialy self employed then i will start collecting wheels frames shoes and other bits ...

    ps though i usually am at work when i read them and don't have to respond ...the race reports are wonderfull

    you've gotten me all wound up to try racing here next year ... keep em comming ...

    still too slow this year ...

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    I just used a common bench grinder. Makes quick work of rubber out soles. Yes indeedy. Notice theres 2 sets of lugs at the heal of the Rampas(silver shoes). There 'was' 3 sets. I ground off the middle set(note black spots). Also, they have the typical channeled cleat bed(more like the Shimano's)but also 6 lugs total flairing out from each side of it for additional traction. I ground those all off ultimately, and just left the 2 length wise channels for side hill traction, as well as clipping in ease. Took the spike caps out and tossed them as well, since those are steel. Figure theres no safety concerns since these are my dry weather race shoes, and whats to 'break' on such? Ones stands to loose a 1/4lb+ or more of the very important outer fulcrum/recipicating weight for a small amt of effort. 3 races on them after the mod's far far, and love'n it.

    Just weighed my disc braked NRS yesterday....21lb.5lbs exactly, with a 32mm x 100mm fork. I like the deck stacked in my favor.

    Good luck come race time. You'll love it. I can't get enough of it.

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