Helmet Cams?

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  • 11-04-2008
    tgiles
    Helmet Cams?
    What helmet cameras do you guys use, i see alot of awesome helmet cam footage on here, so i went out and purchased an oregon scientific camera with the hopes that i could capture some good action footage. as it turns out that camera is a pos and i ended up wasting some 120.00 odd dollars on it.:madman: so any suggestions on what i should purchase would be greatly appreciated.
  • 11-04-2008
    KavuRider
    I bought a Viosport, the Adventure Cam 2 or something like that, and a Sony DCR camcorder. It was a package deal through Viosport. Pretty $$$, but after a few bugs and figuring out how it works, its been great. Really clear picture.

    Its a bulky setup, but I like it. Apparently its not sold anymore, Viosport has some new camera out now. No idea how that one performs.

    SixSixtySix is using one that he seems to like, its a much simpler, cleaner setup than mine.
  • 11-04-2008
    MyBike'sBroken
    I know someone who has one of these, and the results are great.
    http://www.vio-pov.com/
  • 11-04-2008
    clockwork
    a vote for the adventure cam and twenty20 cams. Remember when I mention up in Globe about ebay and the twenty20 cams? I got mine for $50 brand new and bought another cannon mini dv recorder for 65 bucks.
  • 11-04-2008
    tgiles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clockwork
    a vote for the adventure cam and twenty20 cams. Remember when I mention up in Globe about ebay and the twenty20 cams? I got mine for $50 brand new and bought another cannon mini dv recorder for 65 bucks.

    i do remember that now, and i feel like and idiot for not taking your advice!!!
  • 11-04-2008
    clockwork
    Hey I was just browsing and found this . Looks promising....Not a first choice but I would take that over many cheaper options. However the seller is new so maybe this is a new product.



    http://cgi.ebay.com/Tachyon-XC-Helme...d=p3286.c0.m14

    There is also the all in one system by twenty20 vholdr its like 329
  • 11-04-2008
    kenbentit
    Mine's a Lorex surveillance camera (lipstick type) which I run into a Canon MiniDV camcorder. I got the Lorex at Spy Headquarters BTW... not really a martini guy though, shaken or stirred :cool:
  • 11-05-2008
    honemastert
    picked up one off Amazon. It was pricey, but worked well. It is bulky though by the time you stuff your miniDV camcorder in your camelback, deal with the batteries, cordage, wires etc:

    the other thing that it key is multiple camera angles, footage etc: to make really cool videos you really need to do that sort of thing.

    Canon *really* needs to make a weatherproof version of their Digital ELPH line with a remote lipstick camera/mic deal (for video) Kinda like that one Samsung put out for a bit.

    Give me something like that and price it at $300-$400 and I'd buy it.

    (Oh.. has to be HD obviously)
  • 11-05-2008
    Roverbiker
    Velokid and I use a Vio-Pov system. It shoots at a higher resolution than most. The remote button is very nice and the whole package is pretty small. The playback LCD screen is key. You can see what you shoot and use that to help aim the camera or edit crap you didn't intend to shoot. New newer versions ship with a wide angle lense which I've been told helps to keep subjects in frame and limits some of the shake.

    I haven't been totally sold on the color saturation of the unit. It hates mid day sun and riding in and out of shadows kills the image as the camera can't compensate quick enough.

    We've also started shooting video with a Canon G9 point and shoot that shoots 1080 resolution vid.

    I would recommend the Vio Pov if you need to shoot a lot of helmet cam vid, but personally, the stationary video is so much easier to watch. It's hard as hell to capture much riding action using your head as a camera mount. It takes practice and getting good video is often a rider/shooter combined effort.
  • 11-05-2008
    flOw dOwn
    So what was up with the Oregon Scientific? Just bad video quality?

    Anybody have experience with the Archos Gen 5 Helmet Cam?

    Are there any good ones that don't require you to buy a separate recorder?
  • 11-05-2008
    clockwork
    The oregon does suck for anything more than slow smooth trailriding same goes for the go pro camera.

    The vholdr is the best all in one for a reasonable price with best quality avail in an all in one helmet cam. I seen them on ebay last night for 300. ANother is the POV1 but thats around 650+.

    IMO if you even think of the POV1 you should get an awesome bullet cam and a good mini dv recorder that records thru the video in at a good res. Becuase in the end it doesn't matter what your bullet cam is if your cam can't record at the same res. The recorder is the main limiter to quality.

    I would steer away from the archos as I have heard and read many bad reviews .Plus I have yet to see a good video from one.
  • 11-06-2008
    tgiles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flOw dOwn
    So what was up with the Oregon Scientific? Just bad video quality?

    Anybody have experience with the Archos Gen 5 Helmet Cam?

    Are there any good ones that don't require you to buy a separate recorder?


    really bad video quality, i tried to film holbert and it was so f#%@ing shaky i thought i was gonna be sick trying to watch to footage. it would be awesome for a roadie or some thing like that, but that's about it.
  • 11-06-2008
    flOw dOwn
    So the Twenty20 VHoldR doesn't require a seperate camcorder? I thought that was the one you had clock. Or is yours a different Twenty20 model?
  • 11-06-2008
    Roverbiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flOw dOwn
    So the Twenty20 VHoldR doesn't require a seperate camcorder? I thought that was the one you had clock. Or is yours a different Twenty20 model?

    There are really three types. There's cameras that plug into your existing recorder. There's camera's that come with their own recorder like the VIO-POV. There's all-in-on units like the VHoldR. The all-in-one cameras are larger cameras in and of themselves and don't offer the ability to view the video you capture. That can be a bummer. I really like the VioPov unit because I can edit on the trail. Plus, it has a neat feature that allows you to continually have the recorder recording and with a push of the remote button on the bars you can "tag" a section of video to keep. All non-tagged video gets dumped. Sounds weird, but that is a very kewl feature.
  • 11-06-2008
    A.P.B
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clockwork
    The oregon does suck for anything more than slow smooth trailriding same goes for the go pro camera.

    The vholdr is the best all in one for a reasonable price with best quality avail in an all in one helmet cam. I seen them on ebay last night for 300. ANother is the POV1 but thats around 650+.

    IMO if you even think of the POV1 you should get an awesome bullet cam and a good mini dv recorder that records thru the video in at a good res. Becuase in the end it doesn't matter what your bullet cam is if your cam can't record at the same res. The recorder is the main limiter to quality.

    I would steer away from the archos as I have heard and read many bad reviews .Plus I have yet to see a good video from one.


    The camcorder are all the same when you plug your lipstick camera in they all Record in analog so the resolution sucks. That why the helmet cam vid is always lower then what you take with the camcorder.

    Researched the crap out of this stuff several years ago before buying mine. I would just wait on some improvements with the lighting with pov-1 and hope the price comes down. 800 is pretty steep but The bullet cam and camcorder were pretty close to that when I got mine .
  • 11-06-2008
    smartytime
    I was thinking about getting a helmet camera. Then I remembered that I suck at riding my bike.

    Maybe someday...
  • 11-07-2008
    clockwork
    Here are some examples of the recorder limiting the quality . Both would have been steadier but as you can see my visor move ....actually its the cam mount moving creating some shakyness. Still way better than any of the cheap recorders I have used in the past.

    First vid is the viosport adventure cam 3 recording on cheap aiptek hd recorder/flash based. Really limited the quality.

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    and this is the same helmet cam but recorded on a cannon 65mc alot better quality IMO. If you go to the viemo site you can download the 196mb version for even better quality

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    edit:

    I will add that when I watch it direct from cam to big screen it looks pristen using the adventure bullet cam and the canon dv recorder. Although I need a filter to tone down our AZ sun.
  • 11-11-2008
    MaxxCutts8
    Tgiles, The VholdR is really some of the best technology I have found out there for the quality that it brings. I've taken it it on some pretty intense terrain and it has always provided me with fantastic footage. The all in one camera comes with a variety of different mounts which makes it really easy to experiment with different camera angles. It is a little more expensive but worth it in the long run.
  • 11-18-2008
    MaxxCutts8
    Check out some of the footage my buddy got while riding in Backies, Scotland... The VholdR gave him some great footage, check it out!



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  • 12-06-2008
    IRONMAN1518
    A few questions please?
    I've been looking @ the Oregon Scientifics and the VholdR, I liked the Voip but it is beyond what the Mrs. will let me spend on a new toy(I wasn't THAT good this past year). Just looking for a helmet cam that will produce a reasonably good quality mountainbiking home movie. Does the VholdR film in HD? I am confused as to how the Viosprt works/is connected. One can buy just the cabled lens piece and attach it to any camcoder?
    Thanks for your responses/help!
  • 12-06-2008
    IRONMAN1518
    Opps!! Sorry forgot one more question. Wind noise. How do you get rid of it and/which cameras do the best job about it.
    Thanks again!!
  • 12-08-2008
    tgiles
    thanks for all the great advice guys, i finally decided to save my money and get the vio-sport. it looks like one of the best products out there. thanks again guys.
  • 12-09-2008
    DrHog
    Anyone have helmet cam footage of MSP?
    I need some decent quality video of mt biking in the MSP--preferably in the area of Windgate Pass, Gateway Loop, Bell Pass, Paradise trail, and/or Quartz/Taliesin trails. I have a DV camcorder setup, but nothing at all for doing helmet cam work, and can't make the investment in equipment right now. So....I was hoping I could pirate someone's vids from previous rides.

    Any ideas? Much appreciated!
  • 12-09-2008
    clockwork
    Here is my last Sixshooter vid .......you can see I have gotten the came steady . Much better this time. but still compressed big time...16min vid in 240 mb's

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  • 12-09-2008
    clockwork
    I am also converting a small portion of that vid into a HQ vid to show how it looks in a higher res. It is the same size in MB but 16 times shorter than the above vid.
  • 12-09-2008
    clockwork
    Finally a short vid with great quality. Click on vid to watch in orginal size. The one embeded is bigger therefore a bit off.

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  • 12-09-2008
    Noelg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by IRONMAN1518
    Opps!! Sorry forgot one more question. Wind noise. How do you get rid of it and/which cameras do the best job about it.

    Duct tape.
  • 12-10-2008
    clockwork
    I don't need to cover my mic. It has foam around it so it keeps wind noise way down.