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    Helmet cam location q

    I have an Oregon Scientific helmet cam and since I got it have been trying several helmet locations to shoot from. So far most of the videos end up pointing down instead of forward and I'm getting frustrated because I think that I got nice footage and when I look at it is just the ground in front of me.

    Tried the top of the helmet (behind the visor), side of the helmet (around the goggle area) and side of the helmet (around the jaw area). With the exeption of one that captured the sky all of the others end up recording moving ground.

    Guess that when I ride i look more down than forward, is there a way to mount the camera to compensate for that?

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    All I can suggest is you mount it way further back on the top of your helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySlowRdr
    All I can suggest is you mount it way further back on the top of your helmet.
    That's what I'm doing, mounted the camera behind the peak of the helmet and will give it another try but this time will be around the block so I can make quick adjustments.

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    No matter where on your head, you should always try to capture the rider in front of you

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    One way to make sure you always set the lens up in the same position, at least when filming from your point of view, is to include some kind of reference in the lens' field of vision, such as the visor of your helmet etc. Although it's about the POV.1 camera, this video shows examples of doing this with the camera lens and the tip applies to any camera really. The relevant section starts at about 4:50. Hope it's of use to you.

    http://community.vio-pov.com/custome...deo-available/

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    I'm filming helmetcam stuff about once a week from Spring to Fall.

    Here's a sample from last week:
    http://www.bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16347

    I always try to have the other rider in the frame.

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    Sorry, but I copied my post from: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=479899 to get more responses.
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    I wonder if someone can give me some tips on camera mounting. I have my Tachyon on the standard mount, attached to my helmet. The mount is rock solid, and my helmet is tight, but my videos are still jumpy. (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlMp1sWWW8)
    I have seen some smooth Tachyon videos on YouTube, but I have no idea how to get this result. I have not tried a handlebar mount yet. In Florida, we have numerous roots and rocks every few inches, but Iím not sure if this is the full cause of the video bounce. I wonder if it would be better to use a handlebar mount. I thought it might be worse, since my body does absorb some of the impacts, but maybe my theory is all wrong. Any comments would be appreciated.
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    It's not your mounting position, you just have to have your head absorb most of the shock.

    I'm guessing you have the ATC2K. These cameras just can't keep up with the fast pixel changes. They're cool for casual filming, but they get wavy because the buffer is overloaded.

    Another point is not WHERE to shoot, but WHAT to shoot. Hardly ever film climbing. You'll turn your viewers off. Unless somebody falls or tips over. You can film it, but just cut it in the final production.

    You'll learn not to move your head so much too. You'll begin to keep your head still while only your eyes move. Sure, you'll miss that chick jogging past you in the bikini, but the footage will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    It's not your mounting position, you just have to have your head absorb most of the shock.
    Not much shock absorption going on at the head. That's happening at the knees, elbows and sometimes neck.

    It's refreshing to see that you aren't blaming his equipment and suggesting new shocks, but rather telling him to work on his technique.

    Oh, how times have changed.

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    Hardly ever film climbing. You'll turn your viewers off.
    Third person technical climbing can be really great video and sucks many viewers right in. Even if the whole video is climbing.

    Variety is the spice of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    speaking of trolls
    If stating the truth and correcting your inaccurate post ("have to have your head absorb most of the shock") is "trolling" in your world, so be it.

    I was also being quite truthful when I mentioned that it's refreshing to see that you've taken my suggestions to heart and have stopped blaming your cycling equipment as the reason that your videos are so shaky.

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    dude, I'm married. Move on. I was never really that into you anyways, no matter what username you use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    dude, I'm married. Move on. I was never really that into you anyways, no matter what username you use.
    Justin, I'm sure you're quite happy with your husband and I don't play for that team so you can stop worrying.

    "Move on" is a funny response. Sorry, I'm don't need to move on, I'm just discussing (key word!) your latest round of funny and/or inaccurate comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyi
    Sorry, but I copied my post from: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=479899 to get more responses.
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    I wonder if someone can give me some tips on camera mounting. I have my Tachyon on the standard mount, attached to my helmet. The mount is rock solid, and my helmet is tight, but my videos are still jumpy. (See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlMp1sWWW8)
    I have seen some smooth Tachyon videos on YouTube, but I have no idea how to get this result. I have not tried a handlebar mount yet. In Florida, we have numerous roots and rocks every few inches, but I’m not sure if this is the full cause of the video bounce. I wonder if it would be better to use a handlebar mount. I thought it might be worse, since my body does absorb some of the impacts, but maybe my theory is all wrong. Any comments would be appreciated.
    http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messag...81/521317.html

    According to this link, the Tachyon's field of view is 48 degrees. My GoPro standard is narrow (54 degree) and I never even try filming action on it any more. It shakes too much. I even stopped using my VIO POV.1 narrow lens (77 degree) and will only use the wide(110 degree). I also use the GoPro wide (170 degree?). When I film in HD, I use a very wide angle adapter (.45x). Hope this helps.

    My guess is that the smooth videos you see are very smooth trails - just my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar Bear
    http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messag...81/521317.html

    According to this link, the Tachyon's field of view is 48 degrees. My GoPro standard is narrow (54 degree) and I never even try filming action on it any more. It shakes too much. I even stopped using my VIO POV.1 narrow lens (77 degree) and will only use the wide(110 degree). I also use the GoPro wide (170 degree?). When I film in HD, I use a very wide angle adapter (.45x). Hope this helps.

    My guess is that the smooth videos you see are very smooth trails - just my guess.
    Thanks for the info. I had no idea that this would be so complicated.
    Yep, no smooth trails where I ride. Guess I have to deal with the bounce.
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    I just started filming my ride with the Tachyon XC. I mounted it on top of my helmet towards the rear. I liked the angle that it captured, but I think that the POV in general is not good for showing how technical the trails actually are.

    The video quality itself looked good in native format (AVI), but when I uploaded it to youtube and vimeo, the quality went to hell. But it looks a little better on Vimeo:

    Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PegbwXOUbsQ

    Vimeo:

    And my first filmed crash:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash 79
    I just started filming my ride with the Tachyon XC. I mounted it on top of my helmet towards the rear. I liked the angle that it captured, but I think that the POV in general is not good for showing how technical the trails actually are.

    The video quality itself looked good in native format (AVI), but when I uploaded it to youtube and vimeo, the quality went to hell. But it looks a little better on Vimeo:

    Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PegbwXOUbsQ

    Vimeo:

    And my first filmed crash:
    Yea. I'm not impressed with my Tachyon either.
    Awesome crash video! Nice bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyi
    Yea. I'm not impressed with my Tachyon either.
    Awesome crash video! Nice bike.
    Thanks, still bruised from the crash, but luckily it came out okay on video.

    Does your camera make the same lawnmower/tractor noise that you hear on my videos??

    I'm trying to figure out how to make this go away. I emailed the support at Tachyon, maybe they might know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash 79
    Does your camera make the same lawnmower/tractor noise that you hear on my videos??
    I'm trying to figure out how to make this go away. I emailed the support at Tachyon, maybe they might know...
    Yep. You just have to dub over it. I use Adobe Premier to remove the native sound, and add some music. Most people do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyi
    Yep. You just have to dub over it. I use Adobe Premier to remove the native sound, and add some music. Most people do the same.

    Cool, yeah I just got a reply back from their tech support and the guy said the same thing, that most people just add music over the sound recording.

    I'm new to this whole video editing thing, so I'll see if I can easily add music using windows movie maker (adobe premier is $$) and hope its not too tedious.

    Now if only there was a video sharing website that doesn't compress the video quality so much...

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    Finally (I think) figured a good camera location , tested on Sunday and the result was better. Now I need to figure out how to secure it a bit more to minimize the shaking and learn how to remove the audio and add music.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    Finally (I think) figured a good camera location , tested on Sunday and the result was better. Now I need to figure out how to secure it a bit more to minimize the shaking and learn how to remove the audio and add music.
    FYI... Quite a bit of chatting about mounts here:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...27#post5536827
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash 79
    I'm new to this whole video editing thing, so I'll see if I can easily add music using windows movie maker (adobe premier is $$) and hope its not too tedious.
    BTW...
    You can easily change to a music background on YouTube. After your video is posted, go to your My Account / My Videos, and click the button under that video called AudioSwap. You can only choose from their music, but it's easier than doing it yourself.
    P.S.
    If you happen to use your own favorite music, chances are that YouTube will remove the sound completely due to it's policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    That's what I'm doing, mounted the camera behind the peak of the helmet and will give it another try but this time will be around the block so I can make quick adjustments.
    One reason I dinged the ATC5K and ATC2K in my sportcam reviews was for their narrow field of view. It's about 55 degrees. That makes it very difficult to keep what you want framed in the picture.(I prefer 90-110 degrees)

    Even with the viewable LCD on the 5K you will need a buddy to look at it and see what you are shooting as you sit in your natural riding position.

    A trick I learned for the VholdR sportcam is you can attach a cheap keychain laser pointer onto your cam. get that aligned, then use it to alige your sportcam on your helmet. Works pretty good for initial alignment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    Now I need to figure out how to secure it a bit more to minimize the shaking
    Oh my.

    I think you need to figure out how to secure it A WHOLE BUNCH MORE. Like three rolls of duct tape more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakuni rider
    Oh my.

    I think you need to figure out how to secure it A WHOLE BUNCH MORE. Like three rolls of duct tape more.
    LOL, you're so right. Adjusted the rubber strap a lot more and will put some tape for the next ride to see if it does the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    LOL, you're so right. Adjusted the rubber strap a lot more and will put some tape for the next ride to see if it does the trick.
    All this INDIAN dude does is make Negative Posts about every thread(Obviously New), check out his profile. Ignore him and the piece of Sh*t will rott away.

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    LOL!!! THis dude doesnt even have an MTB BIKE. LOL!!!!:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ProEdgeBiker
    All this INDIAN dude does is make Negative Posts about every thread(Obviously New), check out his profile. Ignore him and the piece of Sh*t will rott away.
    Where do you get "INDIAN" from? (hint: look at the avatar!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProEdgeBiker
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    I have an Oregon Scientific helmet cam and since I got it have been trying several helmet locations to shoot from. So far most of the videos end up pointing down instead of forward and I'm getting frustrated because I think that I got nice footage and when I look at it is just the ground in front of me.

    Tried the top of the helmet (behind the visor), side of the helmet (around the goggle area) and side of the helmet (around the jaw area). With the exeption of one that captured the sky all of the others end up recording moving ground.

    Guess that when I ride i look more down than forward, is there a way to mount the camera to compensate for that?

    If you want to see what I'm talking about here's a .

    <object width="400" height="300"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=3807502&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=3807502&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="300"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://vimeo.com/3807502">Gurabo 1</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1149322">DiRt DeViL</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.

    I've had a VholdR cam for a few months now. I have it mounted to the top of my helmet and get great footage that way. I think it's just a matter of getting a stable mount at the right angle. Good luck!

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    Nice vid MAXX!!

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    Another try

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    getting better devil. i was wondering if little devil was still racing/riding--good job.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    Another try

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    Another try
    Better, but don't get frustrated. Just keep trying. Eventually you will figure it out.
    P.S.
    I hate to say this, but I think that you may be having the same problem that I was ("The camera"). This looks very similar to my videos with my Tachyon. I think the narrow field of view makes for a jumpy video. I was unhappy with my attempts also. After looking at dozens and dozens of videos, and comparing mine, I realized that I bought the wrong camera. So I just bought a GoPro Wide. I hope to try it out tomorrow.
    The Tachyon will be on sale at Ebay soon. Nice camera, but just not for this use.
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