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    Does everybody where a Helmet all the time?

    Just wondering if everyone wears a helmet all the time no matter what, or if you go without it once in a while?

    I know its dumb as ****, but sometimes i like the wind through my hair... call me crazy.

    I wear the helmet 95 percent of the time, but sometimes i just don't. Iv'e wrecked a couple helmets while they were on my head too, i'm not sure what compels me to risk it, i just like it sometimes.
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    Always. Unless its up the driveway to put my bike away.

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    yes - all the time.

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    I where a what when and wear all the time?

    Can you repeet the question?

    I think I have brian damage from my last hailmetless crash lashed thyme.

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    On the trails, all the time, on the street, never.

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    I don't wear one when I'm just dinking around the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I where a what when and wear all the time?

    Can you repeet the question?

    I think I have brian damage from my last hailmetless crash lashed thyme.
    Funny post, and good marketing. I would have never looked in this thread if the OP had spelled WEAR correctly in the title. Notice that it is spelled correctly in the body.

    Still a funny post though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I don't wear one when I'm just dinking around the neighborhood.
    +1 but if im gonna do some freeride BMXing then yeah i put on a lid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes
    Funny post, and good marketing. I would have never looked in this thread if the OP had spelled WEAR correctly in the title. Notice that it is spelled correctly in the body.

    Still a funny post though.
    It's is? Not in the first sentence...maybe the third paragraph.

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    Where a helmet? There a helmet, I be wearing a helmet on my head all the time every time (well, almost, like 99.999% of the time). Yes, I wear a bike helmet when riding a bike. Good question. -GT2005

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    um yeah... unless I'm just screwing around in the yard/neighborhood..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAmtbiker
    um yeah... unless I'm just screwing around in the yard/neighborhood..
    I know I sound like the insurance company, but most accidents occur in your yard or neighborhood....called the 'hold my beer' syndrome.'
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    helmet, always. well, not if i'm riding 3 blocks away to the store. although given the traffic around here, thats probably pretty stupid - concrete is harder than my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I know I sound like the insurance company, but most accidents occur when your yard or neighborhood....called the 'hold my beer' syndrome.'
    When my yard or neighborhood do what?

    This thread seems oddly familiar. Where's Skeeter with his day-in-the-life-of-Skeeter photo journal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I don't wear one when I'm just dinking around the neighborhood.
    Yeah that usually my policy too, i really rarely go helmetless on the trail.

    But once I got really drunk, and went out riding helmetless, and ate **** in the middle of the street for almost no reason. I think i came real close to bustin' my noggin on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impy
    helmet, always. well, not if i'm riding 3 blocks away to the store. although given the traffic around here, thats probably pretty stupid - concrete is harder than my head.
    Dude you gotta upgrade your head! I got one thats just a little harder than concrete but a little softer than rocks.(couldn't afford the one that was harder than rocks AND concrete)

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    If I'm just at work in my cube or sleeping and stuff then the X/C lid is fine, but if I'm like showering or taking a dump and stuff, it's FF-all the way.

    Can never be too sure, you know, when you're like taking a dump and stuff.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    If I'm just at work in my cube or sleeping and stuff then the X/C lid is fine, but if I'm like showering or taking a dump and stuff, it's FF-all the way.

    Can never be too sure, you know, when you're like taking a dump and stuff.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandontw
    What?
    You had to be there.

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    I'm wearing my helmet right now ....

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    My Avatar > Yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acme54321
    My Avatar > Yours
    aww now i have to change mine.

    I have just used this avatar for years over at another forum, so i thought i'd use it here too, i didn't know you had a similar one.

    But how did you get yours animated, it woulnt let me put my animated on up, so i just froze a frame of it.

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    I use a helmet 70% of the time, never when I do light freeride. I know, its stupid.

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    after reading some back posts im definatly wearing mine from here on out. ive never worn one ever while BMX or MTB'ing. but i recently purchased one with my new MTB, so i might as well strap it on. i dont want or need to end up worse in the head
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    I could never ride w bike without a helmet - it would be like walking down the street naked for me!

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    I wear mine unless I am just cruising around the neighborhood. I never wear one on my cruiser...just when I am off road. There is a thread somewhere of the dude who wrecked in his own neighborhhod. He was busted up with a drain tube sticking out of his head and what not...

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    As Lidarman said, most accidents happen when you're just "foolin' around". Wear mine all the time; commuting, MTBing, road riding (especially on the road with all the tools who have licenses).
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    Technically, no.

    I've ridden a beach cruiser on the boardwalk in the summer without a helmet. Yup, sometimes the wind in the hair is worth the risk of falling down a 5 mph or so and hitting my head on the soft sand.

    I'm almost 59, and just about no one wore a helmet until about 20 years ago and we did some pretty insane things as kids. Young BMX and Dirt Jumpers today have nothing on their parents (or grand parents!) and no one wore helmets in the 50's and 60's.

    As for serious riding, which is 99% of anything I do other than the boardwalk, yes, I always wear a helmet.

    Anyway, its too late for me to die young. Best that could be said if I died tomorrow was that I went ahead of my time.

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    my theory: my brain will get me further in life than my cycling

    case in point: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...e=search_story

    so, yes, i always where [sic] my helmet.

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    I wear a helmet when I am where it is required, but I never know where it is required to wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    Young BMX and Dirt Jumpers today have nothing on their parents (or grand parents!)
    I highly doubt that....actually...There is no way in hell ANYONE is doing what is being done today. I remember when a back flip was part of the show at the Ringling Bros. Circus...now if you cant do a double backflip or a no hander backflip...its not even a big deal.

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    "Does everybody where a Helmet all the time?"

    He!! No, they are very uncomfortable to sleep in.

    My helmet goes on before I get on my bike.
    Riding Fat and still just as fast as I never was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashtestdummy
    "Does everybody where a Helmet all the time?"
    He!! No, they are very uncomfortable to sleep in.
    Not for everyone:
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    Huh?

    Ah, the old "no way in Hell anyone was doing...." Maybe most people weren't doing things like that but it is pretty presumptuous to say no one ever did anything like that. I'm sure someone did and without a helmet which was the point of the whole argument.

    Learn some history. In the 1890's or early 1900's Major Taylor set some track records that are only about 1/2 second off of current records for a bicycle without the benefit of modern light weight frames.

    Just because you did not see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. No, I did not do it but did witness some crazy rides off of roof tops and long downhill skateboard rides on wooden boards with metal wheels and no helmets (yeah, I did that).

    Fifty years ago there was not a camera to record every stunt so it could be posted on the web. That doesn't mean someone didn't do it.
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    Trails and street always, but we have miles and miles of flat smooth rail trails and its nice not wearing one.

    On a side note, the rail trails are filled with moms/dads and little kids on training wheels, dogs, elderly, walkers, joggers..... BUT there are also a few wannabe roadies doing 35mph+ and passing with no or little warning, I admit I have thought about hauling out the 45 pound beach cruiser + motorcycle leathers and helmet and going Thunder Dome more than a few times.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandontw
    Just wondering if everyone wheres a helmet all the time no matter what, or if you go without it once in a while?

    I know its dumb as ****, but sometimes i like the wind through my hair... call me crazy.

    I wear the helmet 95 percent of the time, but sometimes i just don't. Iv'e wrecked a couple helmets while they were on my head too, i'm not sure what compels me to risk it, i just like it sometimes.

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    always except when just riding down the block adjusting th shifters and such. there are too many people around that are clueless to their surroundings. i'm more concerned that somebody else will cause me to crash than my own doings, so no matter where i ride or how easy i plan to go, i put on my helmet.

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    On hot days I'll sometimes remove the skid lid on long, non-technical climbs. Other than that I always have a helmet on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Parts
    I could never ride w bike without a helmet - it would be like walking down the street naked for me!
    So what's wrong with that?

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    Sometimes I don't wear it when I'm showering.
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    Make sure you use high quality helmets because your life can depend on it. And yes, one lapse could leave a lifetime of being reminded of the mistake.


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    I always wear a helmet, even around campus. I have yet to bounce my head off of something when I crash, but I know at some point it is inevitable. Be prepared.
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    He he he ha HA HA ha

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    Getting serious here. I see lots of people who don't wear helmets while commuting. I do. I was riding to work last winter, rounded a corner and hit some black ice. Of course I fell, but the kicker was, when I fell, my head hit a two foot high rock wall. I bashed my helmet good and it even stunned me for a while. If the wall wasn't there, I probably wouldn't have even hit my head.

    Surely if I had not been wearing the helmet, I would have been heading to the hospital.

    That single aversion was worth all the years I have suffered wearing one to work...actually it's not that bad.

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    If I'm on two wheels, I've got a helmet on. I have the gravel rash to prove that even the well known, close to home "easy" stuff can get you and all it takes is a momentary lapse in concentration.
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    DH armor

    I started riding with a white Bell helmet that had three vents. Damn thing was heavy--I remember consciously deciding not to wear it on a ride because my head felt funny taking it off after a long ride (and staying upright!). Well, like most, it took someone else's accident to bring home the fact that "if it happened to them, it could happen..." We saw that in the post just recently, at least.

    I trashed a helmet by carrying it in my hand, no handing the bike, rolling into work. I hit a bump, and with hands on the bars I keeled over at about one mile an hour. Absolutely all of my weight came down on the helmet in my hand and it split lit it was nothing. It saved my hand but I rolled onto my elbow and broke the tip of my radius. I'm still dealing with it, after eight months. I wonder if DH armor would look weird on a commute?

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    On the "we didn't start wearing helmets till recently" thing, I sure wish that I had, prob would have a much better memory now instead of this crap shoot I call memory - before I was 5, I cracked my head open twice and before 10 had had prob 3 or 4 good concussions. Never wore a helmet till I started MTBing 4 years ago, so even when I was in my early 30's I managed a concussion getting back on the ol skate board.
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    I wore one occasionally until I went sailing over the handle bars and broke it in half. Now I always wear one riding the trails.
    I'd rather be biking!

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    Hells yes!!!!! if i dont i got to pay $20 to my team if i get guaght without it!!!!!

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    I have trouble cutting holes in the the helmets that I buy to fit my horns through so I usually don't wear one.

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    I never ride my motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet... I've been in plenty of wrecks, and trashed plenty of helmets to remind myself why I'm wearing it.

    Next time you think about riding without one... remember: you never expect to get into an accident, but they still happen, despite how 'easy' or 'careful' you ride. You can't control the trail conditions, or other people (especially cars when riding the street). If some dip **** decides to sideswipe you with his hummer while pulling into his driveway and you decided not to wear a helmet because 'its just around the neighborhood'... game over.

    For me its easy, If I EVER consider riding without one, I just think of how some of my wrecked helmets look... and ask myself if thats how i want my head to look.

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    Only when racing. But I'm in a bit of a slightly unusual situation. Most people should probably wear them most of the time, yes.

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    I didn't have a lid I liked until just recently so I was bucketless for a long time. I still don't wear one if I'm riding the klunker because I never get more aggressive than easy paths and dirt roads with it. I wear my former moto helmet now when I'm jumping. It saved me today and I was pretty fearless because I didn't worry about face planting.

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    Around town, no. On the trails, usually - I don't wear one if I'm just out for a roll.

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    The only time I don't is when I'm going around the neighborhood, the chances of crashing are so low that there's no point. If it's major streets or any kind of trail then I do.

    For streets the problem is not what you do, it's what the cars do. One of my friends probably would have gotten killed if he didn't wear a helmet while riding to school one day. Since he decided to start wearing a helmet a week before, he only ended up in the hospital with a concussion after being thrown over a car that hit him.

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    I started wearing a helmet consistently when I began road racing in high school, if you can call those padded leather strap things we wore helmets (in the late 60's), so I guess that's about 40 years of helmet-hair. Over the years the helmets have improved and in this rider's case the hair has disappeared, but there still seems to be the same percentage of the riding population without a clue about how easy it is to take a hit. I've even seen people fall over doing a track stand (motionless) and hit their head.

    The funniest time was a guy that used a gas station restroom during a road ride pit stop, wearing his cleats, and the next thing he knows he's lost his footing on the smooth tile floor. He said if he hadn't been wearing his helmet when his head hit the floor, he would have passed out inside the locked door restroom. That was the defining incident for me, and I can probably count the times on one hand that I haven't worn my helmet riding since.

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    The one time I forgot my helmet and opted to ride anyway I endo'd and broke my front tooth in half on a rock. Luckily, I turned my head at the last second or it could have been much worse. So, let's just say it was a hard lesson learned -- now I always wear a helmet unless I'm just messing around on the lawn.

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    Perfect world = 100% w/helmet every ride every time

    Real world = 99% w/helmet off road
    90% w/helmet on road

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe-gernaut
    The one time I forgot my helmet and opted to ride anyway I endo'd and broke my front tooth in half on a rock. Luckily, I turned my head at the last second or it could have been much worse. So, let's just say it was a hard lesson learned -- now I always wear a helmet unless I'm just messing around on the lawn.
    I'm confused.

    If you were wearing a helmet would you have not broken your tooth?

    I got a chin impact concussion in 1986 and the doctor said I should be wearing a helmet. I was like, hitting my chin would not have mattered...especially since full face bike helmets didn't exist.

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    Maybe he always wears a full face helmet all the time.

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    Yes, except when "tuning and adjusting". Come to think of it, that may be the time the bike gives me up to the street.

    Just back from a visit to New Zealand. Seems to me it is the LAW there. Everyone, ALL the time. No exceptions when riding a bicycle. There are MANY people that travel by bike in NZ, very very rare to see one w/out helmet. If one is spotted, often overheard is "must be a tourist". Imagine that, in the land of serious CrAzY sports, they strap 'em on..... they must be on to something.

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    Yes

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    some of us -- like ME -- should not be seen naked, much less naked in public.

    BTW, i can't remember the last time i got on the bike w/o my helmet...but i think it was sometime in '06.
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    Helmet? Hell Ya, I alway have mine on. In FACT I wont ride with any one if they dont have one, but no exuses I carry extra in my van all the time, three for that matter S, M and L.

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    I need to wear a helmet all the time apparently...

    I'm 22 and ride with a helmet all the time. Didn't used to but, after some jack*** hit me with a big full coke cup as he drove by, I always wear one. That gave me a concussion, and 3 stitches to add to my pile o' head injuries. As a kid, some say I still am... but anyway, I had 8 concussion before I was 10, and over 75 stitches in my head. I've had 3 concussions with a helmet on, and once broke my jaw wearing a FF lid. Needless to say, I am the walking/talking/cluster**** your mom told you about. So yes, I wear a helmet all the time while riding and have now for five years.

    BTW, anyone else feel like this is kinda like an AA meeting? Hi, my name is _________ and I've ridden with a helmet for ___ months/years.

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    the main thing would be
    to make sure it remains a free country
    where you have the choice to decide to wear one or not

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    True, this is a free country thats why we have a choice But Im not riding with some one with no helmet, thats my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunna
    the main thing would be
    to make sure it remains a free country
    where you have the choice to decide to wear one or not
    Bullsh*t. You don't have a choice, because your stupid choice to wear no helmet will affect those around you as well as us taxpayers that would rather the ambulance not cart you away when you made that choice to wear no helmet, but guess what? They have to provide medical service unless you can physically tell them not to, but even then they've spent the damn money to get out there to your sorry a$$. Unless you just die somewhere where no one finds your body untill 10 years after, it's pretty asanine to think that wearing a helmet is your choice and it won't affect others. I don't want my insurance premiums raised or the cost of health care raised because some idiot thinks he's too cool for school. No to mention your family members who will sue on your behalf after you're either dead or a vegitable.
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    Yes. I do not want this. Neither do you. Sh!t happens, why pay with blood as a minimum or a debilitating injury or your life?



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    Wow,

    Now thats why I always wear a skid lid on my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Yes. I do not want this. Neither do you. Sh!t happens, why pay with blood as a minimum or a debilitating injury or your life?



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    I believe we had this discussion about helmets before. A helmet save my life, I don't have anything more to say about it. And that blood is so fake...

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    Always, I wouldn't be typing this now otherwise. They are lifesavers- saved mine.

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    Guess I didn't describe the circumstances of my crash very well. Let's just say that if I had not used my arm to protect my skull, it might have been available to protect the rest of my face, and my tooth.

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    I always wear my helmet. No exceptions.
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    Always, no exceptions for me either. As a few others have responded...wouldn't be able to type this right now if I didn't. Has saved my life on 3 separate serious occasions. Personally, it upsets me when people joke about such a thing. Maybe it's just because they haven't been through what I have. I don't find any humor in it at all and take the issue very seriously.

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    only got my first helmet at the beginning of last year, never wore one for the 20odd years before (off and on) i'd been riding a bike before then, growing up in the 80's and 90's nobody ever really had helmets around here and it wasn't the normal thing to have one...will wear it now when i'm heading down hill on trails and that's really about it or if i'm about to do something stupid, tends to hang over my handbars at other times, or is left in the garage if i'm just going to the shops or a mates house or are out for a street run..

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    I spent way too much money gettin' my brain educated and would rather not have to go back to school to learn how to tie my shoe laces because I didn't want to bother putting a helmet on. But that's just me.

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    Yes, I wear it everywhere. I gotta say it feels good to wear one. The airflow that is directed is actually cooler than not wearing one.

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    I wear mine all the time when riding. I'm usually riding with the kids and I make them wear helmets also.

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    nope... I wear it on the trail... but tooling around in parking lots or short commutes, nope... my skull is babies candy!!! I have started to wear it more often on road rides though!
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    I always wear a helmet.

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    No, it was tough washing my hair with it on, I only wear it when riding my bike.
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    Recently was in Santa Cruz for business, and, after a long morning of delays, parked at Wilder State Park and realized I didn't have my helmet. Stupidly, perhaps, I opted for my magic Vecchio's cap rather than going back, and spent the next 6 hours riding my a$$ off. I must admit- it felt great. Wouldn't do it again, maybe, but the cap is way more comfy...

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    More of the same 99.8 % of the time. I will add though I never wore a helmet boarding or skiing until my boys got old enough to ski. Figured if I was going to insist on them wearing helmets I had better also. Now it is just part of my boarding outfit. My kids already have more helmets than I ever have owned. Ski/bike/lacrosse/baseball............endless

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    When in the bike, always!

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    The question not IF you are going down, it's WHEN... Butt on bike = helmet on head. Period.

    Policy vindicated about 6 weeks ago when I went down hard on a quick, neighborhood ride. 13 stitches in my face, broken nose, shattered helmet, crushed wrist, and surgery to fix.

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    I hardly ever wear my helmet when i am skiing, I just really dont like it for some reason.
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    where a helmet--no I never where a helmet--I always know where mine is so I can be sure an wear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySlowRdr
    where a helmet--no I never where a helmet--I always know where mine is so I can be sure an wear it.
    Cool ...

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    Despite all the criticism he used "where" for "wear" yet again.

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    I wonder if Mark Weir will approve of this thread?

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    I wear one only when off roading.

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    I got in trouble for not wearing my helmet today. I was demoing to my 4 yr old how to ride without training wheels. I ended up with his helmet perched on my head rocking the big 16 wheels.

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    My viewpoint is since I use my brain for absolutely everything I do in my life, I will take 5 seconds and put on a helmet. I always wear one on a bike or board. Oddly enough, I probably fall off my bike more when I am "fooling around" in the driveway or a yard than riding aggressive terrain like Whistler.

    I also can't figure out bmx'ers and skaters....those dudes wreck hard! Why not try to prolong your career or life by wearing a helmet? I can't believe Giro/Bell or another helmet manufacturer has jumped on that to promote pro riders to wear helmets. I mean, if I was a sponsor, I would want my riders protected. Plus, helmet manufacturers would sell more helmets.

    That all being said, I'm not a helmet nazi. I just don't get it.

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    Helmets are way overrated.

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    Never leave home without it....

    I wear my helmet all the time. I did forget it last week on my work commute but realized it after I got to the job. I always have a bandana under the helmet for sweat so I thought I had it on my head. I felt strange on the commute home and took it easy. That's the second time that has happened. Never forget it or ride without it on the trail

    While we are on the subject of helmets, I picked up a new road helmet (Bell Solar Sport) at my LBS. They were on sale for $19.99 and the color matches my road bike perfectly. It was purely an impulse buy (I was actually there to pick up some stuff I ordered online). I was surprised to find that the helmet weighs 252g, which is lighter than most of the high dollar road and MTB helmets I have seen in the catalogs and online. Seems like the money you pay is more about the name, style or amount of vents vs. the weight.

    Although I am pro-helmet, in my opinion, the helmet will only do but so much taking into account that you land on the top, back or fore part of your head. Does nothing for your face, chin or ears. Only a full face would offer more protection but how practical is that for most of us? It has saved me from a few low branches on the trail. So I say get a helmet and wear it but spending tons of cash on a slick looking one isn't going to make your head safer or make you a faster rider.

    As far as helmets go, how many do you own? The new one makes four for me. I have been looking for a road helmet for awhile. I have a Giro Encinal I picked up 2 months ago. Good helmet. I like the rotor knob thingy in the back that snugs the helmet to your head. The new Bell helmet has this too. I have a Bell Forza 2 Pro purchased back in 1996. It served me well and I never had a crash in it. It's a little bulkier, heavier and the foam pads are worn out. The adhesive that holds some of the interior pads in place has deteriorated and the plastic shell is starting to come loose on the right side. I have also noticed that the visor on this helmet is longer than the one on the Giro which cause me to lift my head higher when using the helmet on the road due to the limited field of vision. I am going to try to do a little fixing on it and keep it around for a buddy that wants to ride or I may hand it down to my sister. The very first helmet I bought was a purple Pro Sport. It's a basic helmet with five vents (hot) and no visor. The shiny purple exterior makes it kinda disco .

    Two other questions while I'm here:

    1. What is the life expectancy of a helmet? I decided to replace mines because it was over 10 years old but never had a crash in it. Does styrofoam break down with age?

    2. Does anyone own one of those Azonic Surrond Sound helmets? If so, how do they fit? Sound? Saw a website that had them on sale but only the pink in L-XL. Thought about getting one (I'm man enough to ride in a pink helmet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by redrider_stx

    Two other questions while I'm here:

    1. What is the life expectancy of a helmet? I decided to replace mines because it was over 10 years old but never had a crash in it. Does styrofoam break down with age?

    2. Does anyone own one of those Azonic Surrond Sound helmets? If so, how do they fit? Sound? Saw a website that had them on sale but only the pink in L-XL. Thought about getting one (I'm man enough to ride in a pink helmet).

    10 years is getting up there... but i'm sure it would still protect your melon almost as effectively.


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    I wear my helmet all the time.. I've spend too much money educating myself and getting a good job to lose it all because of not wearing a helmet. In fact I just bought a new road helmet so I'm even more comfortable.
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    I forgot to mention, last Saturday, I went out riding on the trails and it was wet and muddy. I was crossing a wooden bridge at the end of a nice downhill and tapped the brakes as I was going across. My wheels slid from under me and I slid for 15 feet before coming to a stop by slamming into the rail. I would've been in the stream if the railing wasn't there. I remember when I stopped I actually had my head raised but I can't remember if I hit my head or not. My left arm and shoulder were dirty so it's possible the back of my head may have touched the ground when I slid. Didn't see any marks on the helmet.

    When I was in my teens, I rode my Mongoose BMX and was practicing tricks in the street in front of my friend's house. I did an endo and was balancing on my front wheel. Either my grip slackened or the brake pads slipped but the end result was me hitting the ground face first and busting my head over my left eyebrow that required 5 stitches. Face was swollen for 2 weeks. There is a small, barely noticeable scar above my eyebrow and you really can't even tell that I had an injury but if you ran your hand over the area, you would feel a small lump under the skin surface. You would have thought I learned my lesson but I still rode for a long time after that without one. Didn't get into wearing helmets until my adult biking life.

    So as far as the accidents not really happening in familiar territory or around the neighborhood, I am proof that anything can happen (althought I was young, dumb and chose to partake in a risky activity). Could've been much worse at speed or falling on some rocks/roots.

    Helmets are cheap and there are many choices these days as there are bikes. Find a cool one that suits you and your personality and that is made for the type of activity you perform on your bike.
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    On the trails, all the time, on the street, never.
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    never wore a helmet riding bmx unless i was racing, but it was requuired

    never wore a helmet on my mntn bike yet and i had it for a year, i just need to buy one, i fell once and got a little bruised up. when im flying down hills i get a little scared, im probaly gonna buy one this spring

    on yeah when im commuting i never wear one, and i doubt i will ever do so
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    i try to wear mine all the time but it gets really uncomfortable so it mostly depends on where im riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I don't wear one when I'm just dinking around the neighborhood.
    I'm a yes all the time. Even before the following story.

    Couple weeks back we moved and the helmet was in a box somewhere. Went to ride around the block with the doggy. It was dark. Some SOB parked his pickup at the very end of his driveway with a bundle of pipes on the ladder rack that stuck out clear across the sidewalk. I didn't see them and hit them at a good clip with my head. I had no freakin clue happened until I went back and looked. Ended up with 8 staples in my scalp. Even around the neighborhood can get you.

    someone asked how many you own?

    I have my main lid, a Giro Xen.
    My old (2 helments ago) ski hemlet a Giro Nine MX that I wear for winter riding helmet or spring ski helmet.
    My new ski helmet a Giro Fuse. Would have died last year had I not been wearing one so I replaced it with the same helmet.
    My Skateboard helmet
    And my Full Face, but it never fit right so I just ordered a new one. Which will give me 6.

    I may also pick up a road helmet since the strap configuration on the Xen makes a lot of noise in my ears at road speeds.

    I don't care if people wear helmets or not, but I have a real problem with people who make their kids wear helmets, but don't do it themselves.
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    Used to never but racing required it so I started to wear one and 99% of the time off road I have it on now. Of course body armor would see waaaay more use then my helmet in actual contacting the ground or such.

    Seen all the scary pics/videos and I will still go ride my bike without a helmet whenever I want.
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    glad I had a helmut this day. Over bars onto head. cracked helmut in two. lucky, no permanent damage, except a rib that sticks out a little.
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    Not wearing a helmet advertises there's nothing to protect!

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    I just got my new Giro Monza helmet in the mail.. It fits soooo nicely. Tell you what, having a good fitting helmet that is comfortable and light weight sure increases your desire to wear it.. This helmet must weigh half of my old one.. Plus it looks much better..
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    All the time, every time...no exceptions. Twice since I started biking again 3 years ago I wanged the helmet hard. Once a tree branch on a wipe out and once either the handlebars or the side of the fork as I went over the top. Both times my melon was fine...the helmet has a few battle scars and a paint rub but it is fine.

    And when I am on the streets around here I wish I had the armor of an Abrams Tank to protect me form the idiot drivers around here....
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    Natural Selection at work...

    It's certainly becoming fashionable not to wear a helmet when riding. Each time I see it I think of Darwin and say to anyone within earshot: "See that? Natural Selection at work." Of course, for Natural Selection to be really effective, the person has to cease living and thus reproducing, as opposed to winding up in intensive care and putting an unnecessary (yet so easily preventable) strain on the medical system, let alone the rehab and care that will follow.

    As a kid (early 80s) I used to ride the BMX before I even owned a helmet - nobody I knew did and my parents never mentioned it nor bought one. Sometime mid 80's they started plastering ads everywhere about helmets saving lives etc. I can't remember if it was compulsory (as in, law) but I think my parents made me start wearing one. I hated it, a lot.

    Fastforward 15 years and I start Mtn Biking again. I didn't even think twice before buying a helmet along with my first bike in such a long time. It just made sense to protect the control center of my body, given how vulnerable it is to impact. Since then the only time I've ridden without it is in the aforementioned backyard at very low speeds, testing the shifting after I've adjusted it.

    Same thing goes for when I started snowboarding - high speed, many static & moving objects to hit (along with many, many tools who are out of control) ... time to protect the noggin.

    About the only time I can imagine being on a bike and not wearing a helmet is when you're out doing DH without shuttle/chairlift, and you're riding at walking pace back up the hill.

    As for those who want to feel the wind in the hair - I'd recommend going for a roller coaster ride, or a drive in a convertible. Or shave your head like I do and never get helmet hair again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered
    It's certainly becoming fashionable not to wear a helmet when riding. Each time I see it I think of Darwin and say to anyone within earshot...

    And I'll bet everyone within earshot loves hearing a some guy exclaiming about random strangers lack of safety equipment.

    Becoming fashionable? Helmets were never fashionable with non-cyclists, and with cyclists, going lidless is anything but fashionable.

    Darwin misuse again. Uy. In case you hadn't noticed, China's not exactly about to be out-reproduced due to riding without helmets. ...not that anyone over there rides bicycles.

    You'd shout your holier-than-thou little lungs out just about anywhere else in the world.


    But, since here in the states, where no one is ever responsible for anything that happens to them, and everything must be settled in hugely expensive lawsuits, yes, you should wear a helmet, so that when you fall down off your bike, and your sunglasses scrape your nose, you can say you did all you could, and thusly sue the bejezus out of everyone else, from the plastics company that made the sunglasses seam too sharp, to the guy who paved the road too hard. Or, if a car would happen to hit you while you're down, or you twisted your neck, or your spine, or any number of other paralyzing or worse things were to happen to you, and you wind up in a coma or dead, as Jayem says, your family and friends can all sue for you, adding to the already sky-high cost of product liability insurance, which is already so prohibitive no one can afford to build anything in this country anymore. You can contribute to this country's shift from being innovators and inventors and sculptors, to middle management and litigators, all grinning and hand-shaking, and skimming off the top of everyone elses work, not generating anything positive, not constructing anything for the greater advancement of a free society, just another reason to weaken our nations ability to be self-sufficient. And just like the guy in the gurney next to you, your insurance can pay the first 10k and dump the rest on uncle sam, and you can wither away your days happily in the knowing that you've contributed to that great evil commie notion of socialized health care, just like everyone else who had a kid that couldn't afford it, but couldn't get birth control or an abortion.




    How far off the deep end do you guys really want to get with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered
    or a drive in a convertible.
    don't have them to hand but statistically that's probably far more dangerous than going for a bike ride without a helmet.

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    Does it count if you where the helmet while running around the house?

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    Always on the downhill. Sometimes not on long uphills.
    On hot days I will fasten it to the Camelback for the long haul uphills.

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    Yes, absolutely always. No exceptions. About 8 years ago I made a no helmet-no ride rule for myself and I haven't ridden without one since. My helmet goes on before I even get on the bike and stays on my head until my bike is locked up again at the end of the ride.

    Even if I'm doing a test ride round the block I wear it. If I'm on a bike, I'll be wearing a helmet because I won't even sit on a bike without wearing one.

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    I am not picking on anyone, but I do find the hardcore pro helmet types interesting...

    climb a ladder without a helmet?
    stand on a chair to change a light bulb?
    wear a helmet when you shower?
    Horse play/run around a pool?
    Remove hot pans from an oven with towel/dish rag?

    Looking up some more insurance/accident facts would be interesting

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...190653944.html

    I predict in 20 years by law we will all be wearing bubble wrap and city sidewalks will be air bag equipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Lee
    I am not picking on anyone, but I do find the hardcore pro helmet types interesting...

    climb a ladder without a helmet?
    stand on a chair to change a light bulb?
    wear a helmet when you shower?
    Horse play/run around a pool?
    Remove hot pans from an oven with towel/dish rag?

    Looking up some more insurance/accident facts would be interesting

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...190653944.html

    I predict in 20 years by law we will all be wearing bubble wrap and city sidewalks will be air bag equipped.

    Ray
    It's a fair point you make but I guess people percieve risks in different ways. I could be described as hardcore pro-helmet but that's after writing off two helmets in the past and knowing a good few other people who've done the same. I can't say for certain what would have happened had I not been wearing a helmet but I imagine it wouldn't have been good. I just feel far more comfortable wearing one and besides, I can't really think of a single good reason for not wearing a helmet!

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    I know that I should, but I very rarely wear helmets. I grew up riding bikes without one and I never really even think of using one besides when I have larger drops planned for the day or when I'm riding DH at a ski area or something. For regular trail riding or riding around on streets, I don't bother. I hope that I never regret it.

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    Here's a good therapy for those who don't want to ride with a helmet on. Put it on before you go to bed. If it starts to get uncomfortable, take it off & put it next to the bed. When you wake up, wash up & put it on when you get dressed. Wear it to breakfast. Wear it to work. Ah, come on man, you know what I mean! Never, never, ride without your helmet. It can take hits much better than your skull. ...And gloves can take hits better than your fingers & the palms of your hands. ...Nuff said.---zarr

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    Oh Yeah. I forgot to mention in my previous post: ...I HATE WEARING A HELMET!!!!! ...But when I first started riding, my Buds clobbered me when I didn't wear one. Then it began to sink in. ...Don't ride without a helmet. I'm glad now that I had people who cared about me. ---zarr

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    With mountain riding, it's a no-brainer. Rocks, roots, steep downhills, high log rollovers. Plenty of stuff to crack your skull open on.

    On the road - it's not that I'm not a safe rider. I trust my skills. It's the motorists I don't trust - they present a level of unpredictability.
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    You two must be English majors who text in complete sentences. I wear a helmet to be politically correct, although in the day they did not exist. Recently, while overzealously tooling the neighborhood and crashing (all by myself) without a helmet, I had to be stitched up and had road rash most everywhere except my head. Best to "where" one. Where? Zarr is right.

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    Murphy's law.

    I have never managed to hit my head hard enough to damage a helmet, and I've been mtbing since '92.
    The ONE time I forgot to take my helmet with me, I rode without it, (being very careful) and got away with it. Then after the ride my brother said "hey let's take the dog for a run in the park over the road". I was at his place, still didn't have my helmet, but we grabbed the bikes and went. There was a decently steep gravel hill in the park and as I was accelerating down that the dog ran in front of me and I went down hard on the gravel. My sunglasses saved my right eye, but I can still remember the feeling of my head grinding along the gravel as I rolled over. My brothers picked my up and took me to the A&E where I they had to glue up the hole in my scalp.
    It was the only time I rode without a helmet and it hurt.

    Best not to take the chance.
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    While it is ultimately the riders choice, I had my previous statements proven last Sunday. Riding with my boys I had to try and be a hot shot and pull a wheelie on my new bike. Guess what? I was laughing before I was done wiping out and while my bike was still bouncing down the pavement. I did nail my helmet on the road as I went over backwards.

    My helmet whomped the asphalt, not my melon.....
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    I always wear a helmet when riding off road and I'd turn around and drive home if I forgot it. The first 17 years of my life I didn't wear a helmet with my BMX and racer, but no one did back then. In the 30 odd years that I've been riding a bike I've only ever hit my head once. I was wearing a FF & body armor and the impact wasn't even enough to damage the helmet. Don't want to push my luck though!
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    I havne't lately when tuning the bike in front of the house. After reading the post. I will wear a helmet 100%. I've crashed too many times on road and off road to not wear one.

    Being around motorcycles in my youth, got me into the practice of wear a skid lid.
    btw, you can split your head open just as easily on concrete as on dirt. I am more concerned riding on the streets with all the steel 2 ton beast. just saying...

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    Never wore one growing up, or through college when I commuted on a busy, dangerous highway.

    Now that I have a wife and a daughter, I can't think of much that would be more selfish than not wearing one every time I ride.
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    I get yelled at all the time but I don't want to pay for a helmet, I know its a dumb reason not to have a helmet but there is a lot better stuff I could do with $70.
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    Hmmmm- my head is worth way more than 70 skins. It is not a question of if you are going down, it is when.

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    $70? my bell was 55 marked down to 33 on sale and it does just fine. that ok though, the day will come when you split your self and have to go to the hospital. then you'll be thinkin i wish i spent that $70 on a helmet instead of $7,000 in medical bills. and it has nothing it do with how fast or hard or even where you ride.

    i was riding on a flat trail with my 50 (at the time) year old mother. went down a small hill she was trailing behind me just coasting a long when she got in some loose stuff and bit it. she broke 7 ribs, cracked her shoulder blade, punctured a lung, broke her collar bone and was bleeding from the ears by the time i turned around and got back to her. this is the most terrifying thing i had been involved with. neither us had cell phone, it was like 3pm and we were in the middle of a forest preserve with no one to help. all it takes is one wrong move and its serious damage. would a helmet have helped her? maybe slightly but not a whole lot. but then again a inch one way or another she coulda whacked the bars and had been worse off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spcarter
    I get yelled at all the time but I don't want to pay for a helmet, I know its a dumb reason not to have a helmet but there is a lot better stuff I could do with $70.
    Its cheaper than a visit to the ER.

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    The real key to wearing a helmet is to get a comfortable one. Go to some places & try some on until you find the one that makes you smile and make it your buddy when you ride. ...?... Maybe we should make a Be Kind To Your Helmet Day...??

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    Always on singletrack and road

    Rarely on "service road" climbs or city built bike/ped. only, paved "paths".

    FWIW, I rarely wear a helmet rock climbing unless I'm doing an Alpine route w/ spontaneous rockfall

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    i drove my buddy to the ER the other morning,while he was partly unconcious.

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    If you have seen the blood running down the face of the helmetless quimby,you will feel good about wearing your fullface helmet that people give you **** about.Even with a state of the art open face you can still suck DS without a straw. When I put on my Bell FF I get instantly geeked up.But I am guilty of riding in the past without one.Have since seen the light and somebody hurt from not having a FF helmet on.

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    I always wear helmet when I ride my bike. There is no question in the importance of helmet. The poster should realize the consequences of riding a bike without a helmet.

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    I only don't if I'm riding less than a mile to class.

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    I fallen down and hit my head more times going slow on the side of a deserted road then out on busy road trying to race traffic down hill or out on a rocky trail. Not by much but it is true. So for that reason i wear a helmet all the time, i got a bell for 30 bucks at the LBS, and then i have a full face i got for 75 bucks that i use when in a mood to go and jump off things or blast down so new random trail.
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    Crusing through the neighborhood-sometimes, trail riding-all the time. I went over the bars enough as a kid on the bmx bike that I learend my lesson after a few trips to the ER and scars that only a FF would have prevented. It was the 80's, who the hell wore helmets back then?

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    Every single ride, feel stupid w/o it. And how the hell am I supposed to get my kids to wear them if I don't.

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    I'll jump in.

    I was just thinking about this while riding today. I decided if I owned a bike shop, I'd have a big sign saying "No bike purchase without proof of helmet". They wouldn't have to buy one from me, they'd just have to prove that they own one. I'd probably do something like a 25-50% discount on a new helmet with a bike purchase if they needed one. You especially can't trust the parents to know what a kid needs.

    I've heard every excuse. "I don't ride that fast" "I don't ride rough trails" "I'm a really good rider" "Its too hot" "Its not cool" All total crap.

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    Ohh yea i love the "its not cool" line. I usually shoot back with yea well massive head trama even less cool, moron.
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    why are all the pro helmet people so hostile? what do you care if someone else doesn't wear a helmet, really what causes such anger? i know for a fact when i don't wear a helmet i'm not gonny land on my head, get over yerselves, my life my choice, i'll wear a helmet when i know there a chance i'll fall that's about it. done me no harm in 25 years.. i doubt it'll be the end of me...

    you can also hurt yourself badly while wearing a helmet they don't make you invinsible...they aren't the be all and end all of bike safety, personally i put knowing my own limits, ability and awareness of what's around me way above wearing a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    why are all the pro helmet people so hostile?

    I will protect your right to ride a bike without a helmet, as long as you stay off my trail. If you fall, break your neck and die or are quadraplegic for the rest of your life, the safety of my trail is likely to be scrutinized by polititians. Especially if your family sues the parks commission for failing to post signs encouraging helmet usage. To be honest, your life doesn't mean as much to me as being able to ride my local trail. So, if I see you on Turkey Mountain in Tulsa without a helmet, I'll offer you one of my spares I keep in my truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiefab
    I will protect your right to ride a bike without a helmet, as long as you stay off my trail. If you fall, break your neck and die or are quadraplegic for the rest of your life, the safety of my trail is likely to be scrutinized by polititians. Especially if your family sues the parks commission for failing to post signs encouraging helmet usage. To be honest, your life doesn't mean as much to me as being able to ride my local trail. So, if I see you on Turkey Mountain in Tulsa without a helmet, I'll offer you one of my spares I keep in my truck.
    it's quite easy to break your neck with a helmet on.

    incidently, does anyone has statistics for injuries with and without helmets over say the last 5 years?

    also my family wouldn't sue the park and rightly so, you should learn to take responsiblity for your own actions over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBlack
    Only when racing. But I'm in a bit of a slightly unusual situation. Most people should probably wear them most of the time, yes.
    Please enlighten us mere mortals to your "unusual situation" that doesn't require wearing a helmet when not racing, since you are apparantly above the class of "Most people".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    why are all the pro helmet people so hostile? what do you care if someone else doesn't wear a helmet, really what causes such anger? i know for a fact when i don't wear a helmet i'm not gonny land on my head, get over yerselves, my life my choice, i'll wear a helmet when i know there a chance i'll fall that's about it. done me no harm in 25 years.. i doubt it'll be the end of me...

    you can also hurt yourself badly while wearing a helmet they don't make you invinsible...they aren't the be all and end all of bike safety, personally i put knowing my own limits, ability and awareness of what's around me way above wearing a helmet.
    There is no need for helmets.

    I'm constantly teased by my riding partners that I'm always in the right place at the right time to aid someone in distress. It can be a flat tire, broken chain or derailer , I can help.
    If you need Medi-flight transporting to the hospital, I'm always there to help. I'm real good at administering soothing words as you lay there wondering how long before someone shows up that knows trauma treatment. I know I'm good at it because I get to do it several times a year and the injured party always thank me.

    If for some reason, I'm busy and don't happen by, someone like me will stop what they are doing and help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    wear a helmet when i know there a chance i'll fall that's about it. done me no harm in 25 years.. i doubt it'll be the end of me...
    In about 10 more years, you'll probably look back wish you'd been more intelligent in your younger days.

    Do you shun sunscreen as well?

    I'm sure you protect your eyes with sunglasses though...after all, they're "cool".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    Incidently, does anyone has statistics for injuries with and without helmets over say the last 5 years?
    Oh, so you want to play the odds, eh? You see, your skull is like an egg - if you crack it you will be permanently disabled, paralyzed or dead instantly. So why would you want to take the risk for such a simple thing?

    I'm not angry - I just don't want my trail access jeopardized by other users, and I don't want to have to be the one to scoop your brains off the ground with a shovel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    personally i put knowing my own limits, ability and awareness of what's around me way above wearing a helmet.
    Bullshart. There is a reason they are called 'accidents'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seosamh
    it's quite easy to break your neck with a helmet on.

    incidently, does anyone has statistics for injuries with and without helmets over say the last 5 years?

    also my family wouldn't sue the park and rightly so, you should learn to take responsiblity for your own actions over there.
    I believe there are statistics, because there are laws for requiring motorcycle helmets that have been base on the very fact that quads and injuries tax the healthcare system due to law suites and lifetime healthcare coverage. I'm sure this is carried over th bicycle head injuries and deaths.

    fisburn I totally agree with your position on this matter. We the taxpayers and riders do ultimately have to pay the price for those that chose to not take simple protective measures and get seriously injured or die. we pay in higher insurance premiums, less coverage, higher taxes. more state and federal safety, healthcare and land use regulations.

    I don't care what helmetless people do as long as it is in there backyard and not in common areas used by the public, Me.

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    IMO if you are in control of your own thoughts as most of us should be it should be your decision to wear a helmet.. seatbelt.. and/or other safety stuff. I don't feel that the government should have any control over this.. If you don't want to protect yourself.. fine. Die/get hurt. Simply enough. .

    Make laws against being able to sue based on injury while on public land. Protect landowners and people that really care. Don't penalize the rest of us because a few idiots decide to hurt themselves and blame the closest person they can find. Keep our premiums reasonable and stop raising all other associated fees because someone was careless.

    Last year the trails at college were entirely sanitized because the landholder freaked out.. If we make it harder, or impossible to sue because you messed up we'd be in a much better situation. No one forced you to ride the bike.. no one forced you to attempt a 10 foot drop off a cliff. You made a choice. DEAL WITH IT!
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    Yeah, but seosamh said his family wouldn't sue. So we're all good, right?

    Money changes people. When he is dead or paralyzed and his family is grieving they'll be looking to blame someone...

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    listen i'm not against wearing helmets, i wear one myself when i think i need to, i just don't see the need to wear one from the minute i step out my front door or when i going up hill etc i think youse take it too far in that respect, there are situations when a helmet is not required, if i'm hurtling down a trail a 20odd mph i'll wear a helmet, generally if i'm going up hill or just going about the street the helmet comes off..and as i said earlier tho i put other things well above wearing a helmet on the safety issue when riding a bike..

    also i'm all for laws against sueing people for injuries you cause to yourself, i think it's retarded in the extreme that you can sue someone else for an injury you caused yourself especially while doing a sport where you aim for difficult obsticles, if i was the judge there'd be no case every time nearly.. i think it's a little saner over here (uk) in that respect.

    ps it's unlikely i'll ever ride any off your trail anyhow so you can chill on that respect!
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    I'm old school LA, we rode schwin cruisers with springer front ends and extreme riser bars. coaster brakes @ 45 lbs., I remember when the oil fields in ladera heights were open, fire roads and single track and its now a public park.,South Central there was this Devils dip, open dirt ravine that we rode, at the time it looked like 50 foot or deeper. We did the Arlington street dip, arlington drops down about 300 feet from Adams.

    My schwin was my do it all bike, dirt and street, urban (run from the gangs) and commuter (i rode to work at my Dad's store in Watts (deep ghetto) bicycle helmets and mt. bikes weren't invented yet.

    funny after all of that I had no crashes, a few scraped toes from riding bare foot! Ive had much more seriouse crashes and injuries as an adult on mt. bikes and have dented a several of helmets and one broken knee.

    We also rode these 4 foot wooden skate boards with metal wheels nailed on. before that we nailed an wooden upright or fruit crate with handle mars. we rode from the top of slauson near La brea down hill to Creshaw. jumped off the curbs and Converse tennis shoes for brakes. No helmets or body armor.

    we didn't do back flips nor nak naks, those were done only by accident. Heh!

    thinking back, nothing was safe then. airplanes had piston engines, cars no seat belts, metal dashes, no helmets for bicycles. no Disc Brakes nor V Brakes. But my balance and athletics skills were much higher, and brain was much dumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    With mountain riding, it's a no-brainer. Rocks, roots, steep downhills, high log rollovers. Plenty of stuff to crack your skull open on.

    On the road - it's not that I'm not a safe rider. I trust my skills. It's the motorists I don't trust - they present a level of unpredictability.


    My thoughts exactly; I wear a helmet all the time, and encourage all my friends to wear helmets while riding, dirt and/or pavement.

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    so do you take your helmet off and carry it when you feel its not required but when you say i could fall bad up there and put it on just to take it back off when your feel "safe" again?
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    im going to buy a helmet right now!

    next question, how many of your wear safety glasses?
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    i wear one of my pairs of oakleys when i ride, unless its dark out. i think they help me see, even when it does get darker out. i actually wear the a lot cause they help bring things out, even in normal everyday things. i also work doing videography and i wear them all the time even if its 10pm and dark out. i can see my screen better and through the fog/haze that settles at night. the lens' are also proven to be very very strong and resistant to puncture.
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    Always wear my glasses and gloves. I lost a set of Fox Digit Gloves last Friday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck
    Please enlighten us mere mortals to your "unusual situation" that doesn't require wearing a helmet when not racing, since you are apparantly above the class of "Most people".
    Ask nicely...

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    I wear a helmet just about every time I ride. I dont when I am taking a slow casual ride through a park on a bike path knowing that there are no cars around and I wont be getting air born. I'm cautious, ride within my limits and observe whats around me and whats hapening. Of course accidents can happen anytime anywhere, but thats the risk I take.

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    Always!

    A helmet has saved my grey matter in an incident involving a suburban running a red light. I got to ride in an ambulance that time. My next helmet was crushed when a rock jumped up out of the trail and twisted my tire around sideways causing me to endo. I got a concusion through my helmet that time.

    My kids are trained to put their helmets on before they hop in the saddle and I set the example by always wearing one myself. Even on the paved bike path.

    You never know when someones crazed chihuahua will decide to play chicken with your tire!
    And at the end of the day, she smelled of dirt.

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    Hmm yes, we moved to a place that has a bit of land recently and I have found myself taking a spin on the bike without donning the helmet.
    I have a couple of young kids who I have trained to put the helmets on before jumping on the bike and for me every time I have jumped on mine for a spin and without the helmet it has certainly been on my conscience. I think this sort of thing can easily lead to going further & then getting complacent to not wearing a helmet at all.

    It won't be that hard to change my ways back to always wearing one - since I always used to before we moved. I suppose levaing it hanging on the bike would be the best solution.

    After all sometimes the silliest little crash can lead to the greatest amount of pain, and it generally happens when least expected!

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    Always.

    I always wear a helmet,even when I'm in those public restrooms in downtown San Jo.The floors are slippery.You never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbum
    Yeah, but seosamh said his family wouldn't sue. So we're all good, right?

    Money changes people. When he is dead or paralyzed and his family is grieving they'll be looking to blame someone...

    Ok, I just got PM'd back into this thing, after a perfectly nice vacation. Fine, here's a post, since I'm stuck at work.

    This thread has to have more emotional, baseless assumptions than any other I can remember.

    Take the quoted post above, for instance. fishbum asserts to know what seosamh's family (whom FB has never met and knows nothing about) will do in this hypothetical situation, better than SS himself. To do this, he:

    1. Assumes SS has never had conversations with them over the years about his dangerous sport, and the potential outcomes of his actions.

    2. Assumes that SS's family doe not have money, and wouldn't know how to react if they did.

    3. Assumes that SS's family are sort of people who would throw their principals out the window for a fast buck.

    Those are some big assumptions he uses as a basis to roll his eyes and insult people on. Sounds like a few of you come from truly miserable families & upbringings.


    This thread's got people assuming that everyone rides like we did when we were noobs, people assuming that because they got in over their head and landed on it, that they have experience no one else has (how precious), assuming everyone values human life as much as they do, assuming that people are all here indefinitely, assuming we're all content or able to wait for death to find us at old age (more costly than dying young from head trauma anyway, for those of you only concerned with your money), assuming that this country's medical system would work if it weren't for (fill in the blank), and on and on the contrived reaching goes.

    Jayem's notion that it affects society around you, is a good start. EVERYTHING you do affects those around you. Actions all ripple out, but all cause someone to gain and someone to lose.

    Everyone knows helmets add a minimal level of protection to your life when riding.

    Getting emotionally attached to an argument only retards your critical thinking, and evangelizing from there only ever wins you the most vapid maroons as supporters.

    That's more than I care to say. I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulous
    A helmet has saved my grey matter in an incident involving a suburban running a red light. I got to ride in an ambulance that time. My next helmet was crushed when a rock jumped up out of the trail and twisted my tire around sideways causing me to endo. I got a concusion through my helmet that time.

    My kids are trained to put their helmets on before they hop in the saddle and I set the example by always wearing one myself. Even on the paved bike path.

    You never know when someones crazed chihuahua will decide to play chicken with your tire!
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    Always....

    One time I had to give my "why should always wear a helmet talk" to an older couple I met outside the local bike shop...Kind of a funny scene: A long-haired, hippy punk lecturing conservative looking folks on safety.

    I also had to explain it to a really cute girl at the book store. She said helmets messed up her hair...To be fair though, she did have a super-cute haircut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V.P.
    I use a helmet 70% of the time, never when I do light freeride. I know, its stupid.
    Not stupid... just natural selection at work... give it some time.

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    I never ride without one. You never know....

    Example:

    Today I rode a good singletrack that I have ridden before. I though I was going through a bush or something, but ended up being a rock. I soared about 10 ft, landing on my head, then shoulder, then back. My bike launched about 20 ft in the air. Inspecting my helmet, I noticed a good size ding, a crack, and some scractches.

    The outcome of the crash comes down to this. My back is a little sore, and I have a couple scrathes, but other than that I'm fine, THANKS TO MY HELMET!

    The moral of the story is: YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN! BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY!

    Ride strong and take care!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBlack

    Everyone knows helmets add a minimal level of protection to your life when riding.

    You sir, are wrong.

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    I'd rather break my helmet than my neck,
    but last year I broke both...
    I don't wanna know what happened if I was riding without one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V.P.
    You sir, are wrong.
    It's happened before.


    Lesse,

    Possibly not everyone knows it, but I can't imagine whom.
    Or possibly, helmets don't add even a minimum amount of safety.
    Or possibly, helmets add maximum safety, making its wearer invincible.

    Equally unsure of these options though.

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    i have had quite a few crashes but none that wearing a helmet would have made any differance at all. I think people should allways wear a helmet.

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    I believe you should wear a helmet all the time. ...Years ago (back in the mid 90s', I read in Bike magazine i think it was about a man who ran into a overhanging tree branch and tore his head off!!! (I'm not sure if he was wearing his helmet.) Make sure your visor allows you to look up.

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    I've destroyed one helmet - split from back all the way up to the front after a nasty crash into a ditch full of rocks. However, even before that, I would never ride trail without one. When I am moving about town (my town is particularly cycle-friendly), I go without, however.

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    Always on the road or trail. The only time I don't is just up the driveway. I try to get my friends to wear helmets on trails but am rarely successful. It's such a minor inconvenience I don't understand why people don't find it worth while. From what I hear head injuries suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    I believe you should wear a helmet all the time. ...Years ago (back in the mid 90s', I read in Bike magazine i think it was about a man who ran into a overhanging tree branch and tore his head off!!! (I'm not sure if he was wearing his helmet.) Make sure your visor allows you to look up.
    I forgot all about this until I just read your post, I didn't think much of it at the time and just pulled out the branch! I was tired and hungry so I forgot all about it. However i replace the helmet. it had several dents from a couple of other crashes. it was overdue to be retired!!

    I caught an overhanging branch, it looked like merely some leaves hanging down. But it was a small branch cover with leaves. the branch and leaves jammed intol my visor and helmet vent hole. I tore off the branch and the momentum just about pulled my head off.
    The branch and leaves remainded stuck in the vent hole and slightly dented my helmet. so I imagine it would have caused much more damage to my forhead and would have been painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotBlack
    Those are some big assumptions.
    Well, Ho-Black, now you add to the fire by making further ASSumptions about what I was assuming? This sounds like a double assumption to me, which means perhaps they zero each other out.

    My assumption was not specific to SS, it was a general assumption and targeted to no one person. SS is from the UK, where they don't sue like people do here in the US, which I knew before I posted. Yet you make an assumption about my upbringing and family. Or was that a general assumption and not targeted directly at me?

    You said you were out, but you came back. Are you in or out? I don't want to make any more assumptions.

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    Wearing a helmet is such a minor inconvenience and can save you from a more serious injury. I really don't see the point of not wearing one...even if you're just going for a "light" ride. Really, does it mess your hair up that bad? make you look that goofy? it's too hot (yeah, ok)? Come on people. I only lecture the people that I love about helmets. Everyone else...ride how you like.

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    I am a big advocate of wearing you helmet all the time and yet dumbness can set into even me. Last week I got to work and realized that I had left my gloves and helmet at home 45 min away. So I said no riding for me. Well I had been interviewing all week for a job and still didn't, don't, get an answer so stress level was high. Decided wtf ill be careful.
    Long story short, I thought something hit my leg and when I turned to figure out what it was I veered into the curb and BAM! Over the Bars. Scared the crap out of me.

    Needless to say. I won't make that mistake again.
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    I wear a helmet every time I ride, I may look a bit stupid, but I'd rather that then have a head injury

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    HELMET, ..visor, glasses, gloves

    ALWAYS wear it here.
    My helmet hides my bad thinning hair.
    Visor adds to the "look".
    Glasses help to gape at women more easily.
    Gloves help to keep my hands looking young.

    I've never been so happy to disgard equipment as i was tossing a couple of my damaged helmets in the trash. THAT's a good feeling.

    Remember this vintage look (below)
    A bit geeky now, by today's "fashion-forward" riders' standards.
    Funny though how H-ball is one of the best MTB'rs ever.
    Wearing the helmet is like the secret highsign. Can i have a witness brothers and sisters!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SosaPilot
    I wear a helmet every time I ride, I may look a bit stupid, but I'd rather that then have a head injury
    Some look better with the helmet on. wait to you get to my age. heh! I covers the grey hairs.

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    I am not a role model....

    Don't have too much to add, just this one thing:

    I used to not bother with my helmet if I was tooling around the driveway or my block. Say I just put on a new chain and want to make sure it meshes well with the cassette. I ride down the hill from my house a little ways, turn around and come back up shifting through the gears. No helmet for that.

    About 6 months ago, one of my neighbors stopped me. He was very pleasant, asked me a couple questions about my bike, asked how my race season was going. Then he said his kids knew I was a big biker, and that they had seen me riding the streets without my helmet. He was really nice and said, "I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but would it be too much for you to throw on your helmet for this little test rides you do?"

    I had no idea anyone on the block was even watching me. The helmet goes on all the time, now.

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    Wow, I know neighbors notice everything. I will be wearing my helmet on my test rides from now on!! I have been known to test ride after 11 pm. but I will still throw on the lid.

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    Helmets are about the Man trying to control your life. If you are a good enough rider, you don't need a helmet. Same goes driving, only bad drivers need seat belts, because only bad drivers get in wrecks. I never use safety glasses because I am a skilled craftsman. When I pick up some questionable companion in a bar, I'm not about to use a condom. Personal safety and taking responsibility for your actions is for sissy's. It's all about right now, I don't care if I'm a drooling fool in 5 years. Live for the moment.

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    ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! your killing me!

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