• 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
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    Clipless shoes sliding around on XTR trail
    I've recently switched to clipless after a couple of years on flats and am struggling with the shoes sliding around while clipped in. I'm on XTR trails and Specialized Tahoe shoes. I've got them setup loose while I learn, but even at about 3/4 to full tightness on the pedal, I am sliding around a lot in turns, greatly reducing my confidence on more technical trials. I feel like I'm going to just slide out of the clip if I put any amount of lateral pressure on the pedal. I ride in Colorado so usually pretty dry and dusty.

    Has anyone else had this issue? I was considering adding skateboard tape to the platform on the pedal around the clip before buying new shoes. I'm used to using my weight on outer and inner edges of the pedal for control when using flats, but just can't bring myself to trusting the clip with it moving around so much. I've considered moving to CB mallets, but have heard so many bad things I'd rather stay with old reliable. Any ideas? Are the shoes just terrible? I've looked at other shoes like the Terraduro and see the same vertical line around the cleat, leading me to believe I'd have this issue regardless of what shoe I wore.

    These are my current shoes.
    Attachment 1128925

    Thanks!
  • 03-27-2017
    Legbacon
    Do the soles contact the pedal platform. If not, maybe the shoe, pedal combo is not a good one.
  • 03-27-2017
    TwoTone
    Clipless is just a different feeling, it's the cleat that holds you to the pedal. A lot of them have some float, it's why I rode Time pedals when I did run clipless The platform has pretty much nothing to do with it- look at all the clipless pedals without any platform- like egg beaters.
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
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    Looks like it's mashing on there just fine, but maybe I need to move the cleat left/right a bit to get it where I want it. Attachment 1128932Attachment 1128931Attachment 1128930
  • 03-27-2017
    Blatant
    Did you adjust the tension on the pedals?
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
    Yes. I have them all the way loose after breaking my body on moab's slickrock, but they were just as slippy with them tightened almost all the way.
  • 03-27-2017
    RS VR6
    As TwoTone mentioned...you are feeling the "float" with the cleat and pedal interface. Tightening the tension won't affect the way the float feels. Flat pedals don't allow float and it's probably something you just got used to.
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
    Ya I'm definitely not used to float. Feels like I'm just going to fly off the pedal if I put any pressure on it. I think I'm going to try the tape and see if that gets me where I'm comfortable.
  • 03-27-2017
    alexbn921
    Looks like there is too much space between the tread of your shoe and the contact points of the pedal. Did you install the plastic spacers under your cleats? If so take them out. You want the shoe to be solid against the pedal with just enough pressure that you can still float them side to side. If you can't move the shoes after you clip in then it can hurt your knees.
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
    Thanks, Alex. I haven't used the spacers. I'm going to take another look at it tomorrow and see what I can sort out. It's rainy here so it's project time!
  • 03-27-2017
    alexbn921
    A picture of the bottom of your shoe might help
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    A picture of the bottom of your shoe might help


    Should be in the first post. Is it not showing up?
  • 03-27-2017
    Jayem
    I'm not a big fan of the trail pedals, I find the marginal platform does not offset the worse clipping-in compared to 545/647s and regular non-caged pedals. I run the regular 520, XT and XTR pedals most of the time and only run the trail pedals on some DH runs. I think the draw is people look at these as compared to 545s and 647s and see how light they are and then can't justify the heavier pedals. The heavier ones are significantly better and more secure though, so much so that I'd recommend them over the "trail" every day. IMO, the "trail" is a minimalist approach for the racer-types.
  • 03-27-2017
    CaroCO
    Welp. I just gave it a closer look and the shoe's rubber is contacting nicely with the pedal platform area, but it's flat metal, so it's not like there's going to be a whole lot of grip there anyway. This is my first go at clips so maybe I'm expecting something I shouldn't. I'm going to try the grip tape and see how that does and just figure out how to trust the pedals more.
  • 03-28-2017
    Lone Rager
    Yeah. As others have mentioned, clipless is a whole 'nother thing. Set up properly, your foot can rotate a bit (float), and there is very little resistance to prevent your foot from rotating, but it won't come out unless you want it to. You get used to this. I rode clipless for nearly 20 years before switching to flats on some bikes. That's probably a lot weirder than going flats to clipless. I still ride clipless in some conditions.

    No matter what, I can get my foot out and down significantly quicker with flats than I can with clipless, so it's a trade-off.
  • 03-28-2017
    J.B. Weld
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CaroCO View Post
    This is my first go at clips so maybe I'm expecting something I shouldn't.

    I think so. I agree with the Lone Ranger and RS VR6, clipless shoes "float" on the pedals which probably feels pretty weird if you've been on sticky flats for awhile. I think the pedal/shoe interface is fine.
  • 03-28-2017
    TwoTone
    What are you trying to gain, because you will lose some skills with clipless.
  • 03-28-2017
    CaroCO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    What are you trying to gain, because you will lose some skills with clipless.

    I much prefer climbing in the clips but I'm still not there with descending. I had a free pair of these pedals laying around so I figured I'd give it a go with some inexpensive shoes. I'm still worlds more confident descending on flats and since I'm going to try my hand at enduro racing this year, I'll probably just stay with those for the parts that matter. It's just so nice not being totally gassed after a climb. I rode flats the other day for the first time in a month and was dying on the climbs.
  • 03-28-2017
    alexbn921
    I meant your shoe not a generic picture. Anyway if you put a ruler across your shoe over the cleat everything should be on the same level. If you tread or cleat is sticking up then something is wrong.
  • 03-28-2017
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CaroCO View Post
    I much prefer climbing in the clips but I'm still not there with descending. I had a free pair of these pedals laying around so I figured I'd give it a go with some inexpensive shoes. I'm still worlds more confident descending on flats and since I'm going to try my hand at enduro racing this year, I'll probably just stay with those for the parts that matter. It's just so nice not being totally gassed after a climb. I rode flats the other day for the first time in a month and was dying on the climbs.

    I would think that has more to do with technique. I went back to flats after over 20 years on clipless, don't notice a difference on climbs.

    I did notice the degradation of skills that clipless allowed me to get lazy on over the years, like bunny hops etc.
  • 03-28-2017
    robnow
    I like Shimano (except for the durability factor of XTR pedals) but one positive of Time/Mavic pedals is theres more "feedback" when hitting the outer angles of the float. Hard to explain but basically theres more elastic resistance at the point where the cleats are about to release. On occasion, more so when jumping, Shimanos have released with a little bit too much twist, but with the Mavics, they're more secure and you feel it more when you hit that end point before release...its nice!
  • 04-02-2017
    CaroCO
    Quick update. I got some grip tape from home depot and cut it to match the slippery sections of my pedals. It did the trick and gave me the confidence/grip I was looking for to weight the outside of the pedal, but allowing for similar float and ease of clipping in/out to stock. A piece of tape did slip off after the first ride but I hit some water on the ride and I'm sure that didn't help. While it may not be a long term solution, it has helped my confidence a ton.

    Here's what I put on. This should last me a year easy.
    3M 6 in. x 2 ft. Safety Walk Step and Reflective Tread Tape-7768NA - The Home Depot