• 11-20-2014
    Oh My Sack!
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    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    It's official. Like I promised, I'd have one of the first when they came out. This is the first one to walk out of Art's Cyclery on someone's head.

    I'm likin' it already. I'll add to this post when I get to my laptop in a bit. She rides tomorrow and downhills "Just Outstanding" in Kernville on Sunday.
  • 11-20-2014
    challybert
    Cool. My brother has one coming tomorrow. Same color. We have the same size noggin so I'll be able to check it out thoroughly.
  • 11-20-2014
    evasive
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    You wore it out of the store?
  • 11-20-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Coming from a Bell Super for a year and half now (and I love it), there are some subtle fit "feeling" differences but it's true to the sizing and head shape of the original "Super". I'm at the edge of Medium and Large. Medium does it well for me, Large fits but has too much volume in the shell for my head shape .

    One of the nuances I noticed immediately was the firm but flexible rubberized pads that are new to the Super. They noticeably rest on the "corners" of me noggin. My immediate response was "deal breaker!" but I continued to play with adjustments while in the store and after keeping it on my head, my noggin settled into that pad. I think I was anticipating an identical fit and feel of the Super that I wear almost every day so it was just a bit of a shock. I'm good with it, now. I'll be on a group ride tomorrow with our trail organization and the 2 IMBA Trail Care Crew leaders that are here for our big trail build training seminars on Saturday. I'll be rolling chinless, though.
  • 11-20-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    You wore it out of the store?

    Yep, walked out and jumped on the waiting little, yellow short bus. Derp! :lol:

    No, actually I carried it out in the box but this was the first one the crew on the floor has delivered. I'd guess quite a few preorders found their way on the UPS truck by now. They just landed in the warehouse.
  • 11-20-2014
    challybert
    That's a non-Mips version, right? My understanding is the MIPS models won't be available until late Jan, early Feb 2015
  • 11-20-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by challybert View Post
    That's a non-Mips version, right? My understanding is the MIPS models won't be available until late Jan, early Feb 2015

    That's correct. No MIPS available, yet. I considered it but decided against it. Had it been available, I probably would have sprung the extra $20 but today after finding out they were in, I was in the " :cryin: I want it NOW!" mode.
  • 11-21-2014
    mattnmtns
    Thanks for posting the sizing info! I love the way my Super fits and was on the fence between this and the Mets parachute. Not being able to try a parachute on and availability I think I will be going with another Bell. I will probably wait for the MIPS. Anyone want to by a used Super? ;)
  • 11-21-2014
    challybert
    I have a medium red mips on order for delivery in Jan/Feb 2015. All of my helmets are subdued and this time I'm going for a color outside my norm.
  • 11-21-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    btw...the GoPro mount is GREATLY improved on the new model. IMO, the biggest flaw was the original's velcro attachment going in through the vent and attaching to the to small velcro dots. It generally held well but in my experience, every to you had to manipulate the strap, it would pull the velcro dots off the EPS liner and that required too much attention for such a menial task.

    The new mount is redesigned, super sturdy, and is captivated by a velcro strap that wraps the mount as well as the helmet vent. It's solid and a great improvement.
  • 11-22-2014
    KRob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    ... there are some subtle fit "feeling" differences but it's true to the sizing and head shape of the original "Super". I'm at the edge of Medium and Large. Medium does it well for me, Large fits but has too much volume in the shell for my head shape .

    I'm in the same boat as far as helmets. Every time I check the sizing charts my head size is exactly on the cutoff between medium and large. Some larges feel better, but often I can get away with a medium. Do you know your exact head measurement? Mine is 23.25 cm.
  • 11-22-2014
    challybert
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    I'm in the same boat as far as helmets. Every time I check the sizing charts my head size is exactly on the cutoff between medium and large. Some larges feel better, but often I can get away with a medium. Do you know your exact head measurement? Mine is 23.25 cm.

    Think you meant 23.25 inches, right? ;)

    Tried on my brother's Medium today. It fit me great. My head size is 58cm (22 7/8 inches). I did need to cinch is up with the tension adjust in back quite a bit. Definitely room for the medium to accommodate a larger head than mine....how much larger i don't know. My guess is the medium would be JUST right for you without room for a headband(Sweatbuster) or skull cap.

    You're right on the boarder. Hell, I'd just order a medium and a large, try them on and return the one that doesn't fit.
  • 11-22-2014
    KRob
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by challybert View Post
    Think you meant 23.25 inches, right? ;)

    .

    Ha ha. They don't call me pinhead for nothing. Yes, 23.25". Yeah, that's how mediums usually fit me. Just right, without much room for head bands. I don't like the extra space/volume of most larges though.

    Yeah, may have to get an instore fitting or just order both. I'm waiting for the MIPS though, so I have so time to figure it out.

    I wear a M/L POC Trabec now that fits really well and also have a size medium Giro Feature that is barely big enough. It's kinda tight even with a polypro skull cap.
  • 11-22-2014
    challybert
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Ha ha. They don't call me pinhead for nothing. Yes, 23.25". Yeah, that's how mediums usually fit me. Just right, without much room for head bands. I don't like the extra space/volume of most larges though.

    Yeah, may have to get an instore fitting or just order both. I'm waiting for the MIPS though, so I have so time to figure it out.

    I wear a M/L POC Trabec now that fits really well and also have a size medium Giro Feature that is barely big enough. It's kinda tight even with a polypro skull cap.

    Yup, M/L POC Trabec for me, too. For me, good fit normally, perfect fit with the Sweatbuster installed (tightens it up a bit). Sounds like the Medium Super 2R is going to be the one for you. I'm waiting for the MIPS version too.
  • 11-25-2014
    Harold
    I am looking at the Super 2. I'm unquestionably a large in pretty much every company's sizing. I'd really like to get the MIPS version, but I have a 50% off coupon with an expiration date and if Jan/Feb is the ship date for that one, no way I'll be able to use it on one of those.
  • 11-25-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    I made a comment in another Super2 thread but I'll follow up here. I rode the Just Outstanding trail in Kernville last Sunday. We did an alternate, more technical route after JO that kept us on the trail for a few hours. It was a blast but I was most disappointed in the new Super 2R's fit, specifically those rubber pads that I "thought" would mellow. They didn't and became quite painful. Last night I had time to do some serious investigation and side by side comparison with my original 1.5 year old Super. Aside from those rubber pads, the interiors are pretty much identical. My assumption was that the new rubber pad was hiding some mechanism for the chinbar connection/lock up device on each side. I decided to peel one of them off. It came right up and yields nothing underneath but EPS liner identical to that of the old Super. The helmet now feels EXACTLY like the old Super which, for me, is awesome! I'm calling Bell today to find out if that rubber pad must be permanently installed. I'm gonna guess not but we'll see.
  • 11-25-2014
    MadPainterGrafx
    I watched a video about the these helmets earlier today and thought it was very interesting especially since someone was looking for a way to make a helmet with a removable chin bar for one of his college classes. I don't think I would need one of these but damn that option is really nice to have!
  • 11-27-2014
    Harold
    I don't really feel like I need the chin bar, which is why I want the one without. I like the breakaway camera mount, in light of the article that came out awhile back questioning the safety of camera helmet mounts. I wish my coupon was valid long enough to get the MIPS version, though.
  • 11-27-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    NH, is your coupon an Art's coupon? They were taking preorders for both mips and non-mips and charging at the time of order when I first looked.

    I'll be curious to see and feel the fit of the MIPS. Wondering if anything is different regarding the liner issue.

    I received a reply regarding my query on the pad installed in the new 2R. They didn't directly answer my question about whether it could come out all together but said it was there in part as a means to reach a certain certification rating due to the changes that the chin bar brought on. They suggested that it helped the fit for those that are right on the edge of fitment and that it would allow them to take the step to the next size up. I couldn't disagree more. It destroyed the fit for me and was insanely uncomfortable and I'm on that edge of sizing and do have a head shape that Bell has always worked. If I step to a large, the volume is all wrong and the helmet bobbles. It's a shame because everything about this helmet works but that one little issue that becomes huge when in the saddle for any length of time. I'm trying to decide whether to yank it and wear it or just return it and get my $200 back.
  • 11-27-2014
    Harold
    No. My coupon is straight from Bell. My club got a bunch. I have to use it on Bell's website.

    I'm a bit concerned to hear about your fit issues with the rubber pads, but I'm not at the edge of any fit. Any large I ever try on has a little extra room where I have to cinch down on the retention system. Bells and Giros have both worked for me in the past (I currently have a Giro Xar). I got to try some POC helmets and those things feel like torture devices to me.
  • 11-29-2014
    Ipe
    I got to try one on today. I came away learning a couple things. First is that removing the extra cheek pads change the fit radically. Taking them out made a big diffrence in comfort. The next is that this helmet is LIGHT. I was pretty amazed how lightweight this helmet felt in my hands. Finally, somehow it felt different to me than the regular Super I tried earlier this fall. I remember that Super feeling just about perfect so I was a bit surprised and disappointed when I got a hot spot with the 2R almost right away. I was prepared to walk out the door with a new helmet but I'm going to hold off until the MIPS version and the MET Parachute come in. Hopefully one of them will fit better.
  • 12-01-2014
    TheNormsk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I received a reply regarding my query on the pad installed in the new 2R. They didn't directly answer my question about whether it could come out all together but said it was there in part as a means to reach a certain certification rating due to the changes that the chin bar brought on. They suggested that it helped the fit for those that are right on the edge of fitment and that it would allow them to take the step to the next size up. I couldn't disagree more. It destroyed the fit for me and was insanely uncomfortable and I'm on that edge of sizing and do have a head shape that Bell has always worked. If I step to a large, the volume is all wrong and the helmet bobbles. It's a shame because everything about this helmet works but that one little issue that becomes huge when in the saddle for any length of time. I'm trying to decide whether to yank it and wear it or just return it and get my $200 back.

    Very interesting. My head is right between medium and large (technically it's at the bottom end of large) and the current large Super I have has proved to be too large for me. Without my winter head gear it bobbles around on my head in rough terrain to the point that I stopped wearing it in the summer. I was going to see about a medium of the 2R in MIPS but your observations would seem to indicate that this would not be a good idea; but I'm not doing a large again.

    Obviously I will need to try one in store when they come out..
  • 12-02-2014
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I received a reply regarding my query on the pad installed in the new 2R. They didn't directly answer my question about whether it could come out all together but said it was there in part as a means to reach a certain certification rating due to the changes that the chin bar brought on.

    If those pads are required for certification, there's no way their lawyers would let them tell you it's fine to take them out.

    Remember that we're talking about normal-helmet certification here, not DH-helmet certification.

    I'm not an expert, but I've never heard of a company having to add rubber pads to get a helmet certified. Sounds odd. Maybe someone goofed up the design or production of the shell, and the pads are a last-second hack?

    Are the pads you're talking about visible in this photo? EDIT: Oh, now I see your photo of the pad in your other post, here.
  • 12-02-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    If those pads are required for certification, there's no way their lawyers would let them tell you it's fine to take them out.

    Remember that we're talking about normal-helmet certification here, not DH-helmet certification.

    I'm not an expert, but I've never heard of a company having to add rubber pads to get a helmet certified. Sounds odd. Maybe someone goofed up the design or production of the shell, and the pads are a last-second hack?

    Are the pads you're talking about visible in this photo? EDIT: Oh, now I see your photo of the pad in your other post, here.

    My third photo in the first post of this thread shows the pad in question. I don't expect them to give me a thumbs up on the removal of that pad, just more nebulous mumbo-jumbo so I haven't pursued the issue any further with them.

    The photo of a Super2R that you just linked above, where's that from? It does NOT include the pads in question. Is that a prototype helmet?
  • 12-02-2014
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    The photo of a Super2R that you just linked above, where's that from? It does NOT include the pads in question. Is that a prototype helmet?

    Yeah, probably pre-production, it's from something posted the end of August. Looks like a MIPS. Here's the page.

    Thanks for your post.
  • 12-03-2014
    Taroroot
    Just got mine last night and used it for our weekly evening local dh run. We pedal up the road, so we're enduro, bro! As everyone's saying there seems to be slight difference in fit, I felt it toward the upper rear of head. There's small differences in the eps at the rear, the rear ratchet retaining mech is slightly different. Once I fitted the helmet and tightened up the ratchet though I noticed no discomfort.
    The chin bar was ridiculously easy to install. I did it first time at the top of hill, helmet on head, in the rainy dark, no instructions read. Just make sure the nuggets are in their matching sockets, hook the rear latch and snap all the latches home. Once on it feels solid.
    In comparison to my THE One carbon full face, it of course doesn't feel as encompassing. It's way lighter. Ventilation is night and day. It was almost too ventilated with the chilly drizzly night weather. The face opening is a bit larger too. There's no mesh on the chin bar vents. If you take it off with chinbar, it's kinda difficult to put back on unless you loosen the back of head retaining ratchet.
    The GP mount is way better. Doesn't plug up a vent and the strap more secure. Mine came with two little plastic chips that I have no idea what they are for and promptly got lost. Nice drawstring carrying sack provided also.
    I like it, smartly designed and feels good.
    I would be loath to remove those side rubber pads, I wonder if they provide additional protection again the side latching mechanism from intruding inside.
  • 12-03-2014
    Taroroot
    Oh, my one other annoyance that still exists on the 2 is the plastic strap for the rear ratchet still goes through a captured hole in pad. Even if it's got supposed permanent anti-funk fibers, I still take my pads out and wash them. If you don't snip a little slot to the hole, you'll need to unsnap those plastic straps from inner helmet to take the pads out.
  • 12-03-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    I agree and echo all your observations. And yes, the chin bar is stupid-easy to work with right away. I'm rolling with the 2 new nitrile pads removed. I can 't stand the fit with them installed but love every other aspect of the helmet. I may craft an identically shaped foam pad to take their place and see how it feels. Without those pads, the interior is identical to the original aside from the nuances of the rear suspension.

    I hear ya on the pierced section of foam liner. The original was the same way and I just dealt with it. I did replace my liner when it frayed just prior to a year. Bell sent me one for free. They were only $7 if you had to buy one. I wear a SweatVac skull cap every time I ride so I'm not having to wash the helmet liner as frequently. Just a habit I picked up with my Arai motorcycle helmets.

    Like you, I was a bit baffled on the 2 little tiny bits that were in the bag. I studied the helmet and figured it out....they are to fill the notch where the chinbar keyways into the helmet right where the 2 side latches are located. Probably designed to keep crud from filling the hole when you're rollin' without the chinbar. Not sure I'll ever bother with them but that's where they go. Not one bit of info in the manual on that, though!
  • 12-04-2014
    Chefkoch
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I made a comment in another Super2 thread but I'll follow up here. I rode the Just Outstanding trail in Kernville last Sunday. We did an alternate, more technical route after JO that kept us on the trail for a few hours. It was a blast but I was most disappointed in the new Super 2R's fit, specifically those rubber pads that I "thought" would mellow. They didn't and became quite painful. Last night I had time to do some serious investigation and side by side comparison with my original 1.5 year old Super. Aside from those rubber pads, the interiors are pretty much identical. My assumption was that the new rubber pad was hiding some mechanism for the chinbar connection/lock up device on each side. I decided to peel one of them off. It came right up and yields nothing underneath but EPS liner identical to that of the old Super. The helmet now feels EXACTLY like the old Super which, for me, is awesome! I'm calling Bell today to find out if that rubber pad must be permanently installed. I'm gonna guess not but we'll see.

    Did you mean this marked Rubber Pads ?

    For me it's seems to be the same parts, which make the super 2r a little bit uncomfortable (...and that's the reason, why i am unsteady of take him back to dealer). Is it easy to remove them (are the glued??)? Is there a way to put them back, if it's not the right solution?

    Could you please post a Picture with the removed Pads?


    PS: sorry for my german english ;-)
  • 12-04-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Chefkoch View Post
    Did you mean this marked Rubber Pads ?

    For me it's seems to be the same parts, which make the super 2r a little bit uncomfortable (...and that's the reason, why i am unsteady of take him back to dealer). Is it easy to remove them (are the glued??)? Is there a way to put them back, if it's not the right solution?

    Could you please post a Picture with the removed Pads?


    PS: sorry for my german english ;-)

    Yes, those are the pads. I did remove them. They come out very easy. They are stuck to the EPS liner with a sticky goo and it requires about as much effort as it would to remove the velcro attached liner that is adjacent. I don't have a pic of them removed at this moment but there is nothing under them and when they're out, it looks exactly like the original Super helmet. The sticky goo is persistent so if you pull them out and decide to put them back, they should stick.

    Just to reiterate, Bell did not give me the "go ahead" on removing these in their communication. They just explained why they were there and left it at that. Mine are out. It was that or return the helmet because the fit with them installed is completely unacceptable. It's a shame because by their statement it seemed to me they're trying to appease those that where on the borderline of fit while screwing up a perfect fit for those that were already sold on the helmet. We'll see how well this works for them.
  • 12-06-2014
    brainhulk
    I really want to buy this but feel i should just wait for the MIPS version instead
  • 12-06-2014
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mattnmtns View Post
    Thanks for posting the sizing info! I love the way my Super fits and was on the fence between this and the Mets parachute. Not being able to try a parachute on and availability I think I will be going with another Bell. I will probably wait for the MIPS. Anyone want to by a used Super? ;)

    Just don't get the same color I plan on getting.
    You tried that with the Super already and I don't give a sh!t if we match. :p
  • 12-06-2014
    root
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brainhulk View Post
    I really want to buy this but feel i should just wait for the MIPS version instead

    I know its a little silly, but I didn't get the MIPS because it didn't come in the color I wanted.
    I got a chance to do a side by side comparison with my Super, both medium. AFAICT the exterior shell shape is identical. I can actually take the shin bar and fit it into the matching holes on my old Super. It wont latch though since it doesn't have the plastic bits for the latch mech. The no GP mount would work except for the little spud hole in the shell. I suppose you could chance drilling a hole in your old Super helmet shell if you really wanted to.
    Interior fit, those side pads just above your ears is the major difference. For me it made it a little snugger there, no problem for me. If that fit is already tight on you with the Super though, I can see it being a problem as those pads are high density and don't squish much. The rear difference is subtle and I could not detect any difference in fit there. The cheek pads are removable for cleaning, and also you can open up the pouch itself and remove the foam inside. It has two pieces, a big open cell squishy pad and a thinner dense pad that I think you can remove for fit. I have a thin face so run both pads for appropriate firm fit. It's actually not as firm as my full face but still good.
    Kinda nice having a quick side squeeze helmet strap latch as opposed to the double D ring buckle on my full face. Can operate it with gloves on.
    Yeah, that was my guess for what the little plastic chips were for. I actually found them the other night. Will not bother with them. I popped them in once and a bit of pain to remove if you don't have fingernails. And I can see them immediately getting dropped in the dirt and disappearing, just as they immediately got dropped behind my car seat when I got them!
  • 12-07-2014
    Oni
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by root View Post
    I know its a little silly, but I didn't get the MIPS because it didn't come in the color I wanted.
    I got a chance to do a side by side comparison with my Super, both medium. AFAICT the exterior shell shape is identical. I can actually take the shin bar and fit it into the matching holes on my old Super. It wont latch though since it doesn't have the plastic bits for the latch mech. The no GP mount would work except for the little spud hole in the shell. I suppose you could chance drilling a hole in your old Super helmet shell if you really wanted to.
    Interior fit, those side pads just above your ears is the major difference. For me it made it a little snugger there, no problem for me. If that fit is already tight on you with the Super though, I can see it being a problem as those pads are high density and don't squish much. The rear difference is subtle and I could not detect any difference in fit there. The cheek pads are removable for cleaning, and also you can open up the pouch itself and remove the foam inside. It has two pieces, a big open cell squishy pad and a thinner dense pad that I think you can remove for fit. I have a thin face so run both pads for appropriate firm fit. It's actually not as firm as my full face but still good.
    Kinda nice having a quick side squeeze helmet strap latch as opposed to the double D ring buckle on my full face. Can operate it with gloves on.
    Yeah, that was my guess for what the little plastic chips were for. I actually found them the other night. Will not bother with them. I popped them in once and a bit of pain to remove if you don't have fingernails. And I can see them immediately getting dropped in the dirt and disappearing, just as they immediately got dropped behind my car seat when I got them!

    Is this your alter alter ego there mr taro root?
  • 12-07-2014
    root
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oni View Post
    Is this your alter alter ego there mr taro root?

    Oh oops, do I have 2 logins here? didn't realize that!
  • 12-08-2014
    PRCVT
    GP mount
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    btw...the GoPro mount is GREATLY improved on the new model. IMO, the biggest flaw was the original's velcro attachment going in through the vent and attaching to the to small velcro dots. It generally held well but in my experience, every to you had to manipulate the strap, it would pull the velcro dots off the EPS liner and that required too much attention for such a menial task.

    The new mount is redesigned, super sturdy, and is captivated by a velcro strap that wraps the mount as well as the helmet vent. It's solid and a great improvement.

    Would the new GP mount work on the old Super? Seems like the vents are spaced the same as the old one? Still wondering why Bell hasnt also made a light mount like the GP mount to sell...
  • 12-08-2014
    Taroroot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PRCVT View Post
    Would the new GP mount work on the old Super? Seems like the vents are spaced the same as the old one? Still wondering why Bell hasnt also made a light mount like the GP mount to sell...

    If you are willing to drill a small hole in the top of the shell it'll fit. There a little spud on the new mount that indexes into a hole. You could cut/sand the spud off, but then I think the mount would slide around.
  • 12-08-2014
    Fluidworks
    At first I thought this helmet seemed pointless, not as light as a normal helmet or as protective as a legit full face. But now, seeing how easy it is to put on the chinbar, and the fact it might seriously cut down on some gnarly maxillofacial injuries makes it seems perfect for the climb and then heavy descent riding I do. Next helmet for me, for sure.
  • 12-09-2014
    ugly
    Don't mean to be a bummer, but I was seriously let down when I got my hands on one the other day. I messed around with it a bit and while I'm sure I could get it dialed in close enough, in the end it just didn't inspire the confidence on terrain that I would use it in. Sure it might prevent some face injury, but I feel like this helmet is just in limbo too much. Not enough for a DH (or even aggro enduro) and too much for XC. Ultimately, I ended up getting a TLD A1 and a Giro Cipher. Sure I'm hating life when I have slog the cipher uphill, but it's a compromise I'm willing to make for the confidence I'll get going down and the better protection when I eat it. As others have said, the 2r is a different feel than the super. Don't think because your super feels good, this one will be the same.
  • 12-09-2014
    Ehien
    Can someone do me a favor and give me internal width of medium 2R? I have medium 2R MIPS preordered and would like to make sure it's going to fit. My head is wider than normal at 6.5" (165mm) and this has been the deciding factor in my helmet sizing. TIA!
  • 12-10-2014
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ugly View Post
    Don't mean to be a bummer, but I was seriously let down when I got my hands on one the other day. I messed around with it a bit and while I'm sure I could get it dialed in close enough, in the end it just didn't inspire the confidence on terrain that I would use it in. Sure it might prevent some face injury, but I feel like this helmet is just in limbo too much. Not enough for a DH (or even aggro enduro) and too much for XC. Ultimately, I ended up getting a TLD A1 and a Giro Cipher. Sure I'm hating life when I have slog the cipher uphill, but it's a compromise I'm willing to make for the confidence I'll get going down and the better protection when I eat it. As others have said, the 2r is a different feel than the super. Don't think because your super feels good, this one will be the same.

    I will agree that it probably isn't as great downhill helmet and probable to heavy for an XC helmet especially since I wouldn't even consider the Super to really be an XC helmet. However for a guy like me that does a mix of both (my style of riding is probably closest to US enduro style) it can be the ticket.

    What has stopped me in the past from getting a full face helmet is the fact they suck so bad for long climbs. I had considered the old Met Parachute but I could never get my hands on one for fit. It also looked chintzy from all the pics. I have seen the new Met Parachute in person and it looks like quality and is super lightweight. It seems as if it would be equally as comfortable on climbs as any mountain bike helmet without a chin bar. So for me, my choices are the the Super 2r, the Met Parachute or continuing with no chin bar. The Super 2r will most likely win though over the Parachute since I will be able to get my hands on it for fit. If it wasn't for either of these options, I would just stick to the Super that I already have and love.
  • 12-10-2014
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I will agree that it probably isn't as great downhill helmet and probable to heavy for an XC helmet especially since I wouldn't even consider the Super to really be an XC helmet. However for a guy like me that does a mix of both (my style of riding is probably closest to US enduro style) it can be the ticket.

    What has stopped me in the past from getting a full face helmet is the fact they suck so bad for long climbs. I had considered the old Met Parachute but I could never get my hands on one for fit. It also looked chintzy from all the pics. I have seen the new Met Parachute in person and it looks like quality and is super lightweight. It seems as if it would be equally as comfortable on climbs as any mountain bike helmet without a chin bar. So for me, my choices are the the Super 2r, the Met Parachute or continuing with no chin bar. The Super 2r will most likely win though over the Parachute since I will be able to get my hands on it for fit. If it wasn't for either of these options, I would just stick to the Super that I already have and love.

    I have a few rides in my MET and while it is a littler warmer climbing, it isn't considerably warmer.
    I ride in MD so east coast heat and humidity. I'm really torn between the two. I like that MET is ASTM1952 certified, but I like the MIPS system as well. Also, the 2R would allow me to have one helmet instead of two.

    I don't buy into the FF is too much for XC riding, myself and other people I've talked to have had face injuries riding XC. That said, riding with the kids on a paved path I won't be using the MET.
  • 12-10-2014
    kjlued
    I live in Western NC (Asheville area).
    Never gets ridiculously hot here but it can get a little humid.
    There are days though that I take my helmet off though when on long climbs.
    I am however on a SS so I am mashing up and not just spinning up.

    I have seen guys riding enduro races wearing a regular helmet and carrying their full face with them. Seems silly when these options are available.
  • 12-10-2014
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I live in Western NC (Asheville area).
    Never gets ridiculously hot here but it can get a little humid.
    There are days though that I take my helmet off though when on long climbs.
    I am however on a SS so I am mashing up and not just spinning up.

    I have seen guys riding enduro races wearing a regular helmet and carrying their full face with them. Seems silly when these options are available.


    I don't know the event rules, but if they required certified helmets that may be why. Remember the Bell isn't ASTM 1952 certified.
  • 12-10-2014
    kjlued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I don't know the event rules, but if they required certified helmets that may be why. Remember the Bell isn't ASTM 1952 certified.

    They just required a helmet at all time.
    Full face was too hot to climb in but he wanted more protection in timed downhill portions. So the solution was 2 helmets. It was a battle of comfort vs protection and helmets like the Super 2R and Met Parachute offer a good compromise.
  • 12-12-2014
    702Biff
    Just got mine today - same issue. Super is perfect like a glove but this 2r...not so. I'm thinking it will cause a headache during riding. Plus those pressure points transfer impact to head during crash? Hate to modify it but likely will. Maybe Bell will come up with a mod for this.
  • 12-12-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 702Biff View Post
    Just got mine today - same issue. Super is perfect like a glove but this 2r...not so. I'm thinking it will cause a headache during riding. Plus those pressure points transfer impact to head during crash. I'm thinking deal breaker.

    Maybe let Bell know about your experience like I did.
  • 12-12-2014
    702Biff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Maybe let Bell know about your experience like I did.

    I left a comment on their site which they say will post in 5 days.
  • 12-13-2014
    Elbastardo
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    FYI - super 2r 15% off at arts with save15 code and there is a $25 gift card with purchase
  • 12-16-2014
    monstertiki
    Pinkbike video for the impact testing of face guard is up.

    Video: Bell Super 2R Helmet Impact Testing - Pinkbike
  • 12-16-2014
    702Biff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elbastardo View Post
    FYI - super 2r 15% off at arts with save15 code and there is a $25 gift card with purchase

    Thanks for that beta! Saved me big!
  • 12-16-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    Thanks for posting that. That's good info.
  • 12-17-2014
    jsalas2
    Thanks, just ordered, got my 15% ($30) off and my $25 gift card. Can't beat that.
  • 12-17-2014
    Taroroot
    So I wonder what it doesn't meet that doesn't meet the dh helmet standard. I tried to look up specifics on the standard but couldn't find online, unless you pay for it.
    The video does give me more confidence in mine.
  • 12-17-2014
    Oh My Sack!
    I read or saw in one of the several video reviews that because of the vent holes on the chin gaurd, it doesn't meet the penetration standard of a standard DH helmet.
  • 01-03-2015
    Saladin
    1 Attachment(s)
    Got mine today! This thing is sweet!

    Attachment 952506

    Very lightweight. Nice, sturdy GoPro mount. And the removable guard should suit my riding needs quite well, although I hope to never actually NEED the chin guard.

    It's not the most comfortable helmet I've ever worn, but far from the worst. It, like other Bell helmets I've tried, including motorcycle helmets, don't fit my abnormally long dome shape ideally. There's a bit of pressure at the very front, and especially at the very back. I'll keep an eye out at REI and see if they get any larges in before the riding season restarts, or perhaps a MIPS version, or the matte/red version, but I think a larger size might allow a bit too much movement.

    I think the pressure points can be fixed by adding a little bit more padding. Did any of you guys' helmets come with any extra padding or cheek pad inserts?
  • 01-03-2015
    root
    Mine came with inserts already in the cheek pads that you could remove. Made it too loose for me so I put them back. No other additional pads.
  • 01-03-2015
    Saladin
    Yeah, mine too. I was just wondering about any extra inserts since those are the ones that were advertised as adjustable.
  • 01-03-2015
    Impetus
    I'm really digging this helmet. Looking forward to seeing the results of some real-world crash tests by MTBR members (as long as no one's hurt)

    I was in the market for a new helmet, and waffled on the original Super, or maybe cashing in some 'IOUs' for a 2R when I found a new Stoker for $32, so that's what I went with this time.

    Based on my experience with the Stoker, and a family member's experience with his new Super, I'm almost certain that a 2R will be next, should something damage my current lid.
  • 01-09-2015
    Mangchi BB
    Nice dude!


    I just picked up mine up from price point. They have the MIPS version too.

    Your Local Mountain Bike, Road Bike, & Bike Parts Superstore


    Came it like one day after I ordered it but I seems like you're still the first one since you ordered before me haha. Rad helmet.
  • 01-09-2015
    BlowtorchBob
    Why in the hell would you mount a go pro on your head? Seems Hella dangerous to have that extra weight limit you.
  • 01-09-2015
    oktoclimb
    Looks Like Price Point has more color options too
  • 01-12-2015
    martinizer
    Has anyone received a MIPS version yet? Art's was supposed to have them 1/11, but now they're backordered until 2/7.
  • 01-12-2015
    Elbastardo
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    Has anyone received a MIPS version yet? Art's was supposed to have them 1/11, but now they're backordered until 2/7.

    I am in same boat. I tried a super 2r on at REI, and the fit is definitely "funky". It feels like the top portion is wider than the lower half of the helmet, almost bulbous kind of feeling, like I had too much room. Then went to the smaller size to test it out and it was waaaay too small.

    It felt weird. Interesting to see if the MIPS version fits better or worse.
  • 01-12-2015
    Elbastardo
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    The red color is more of a hot pink/orange mix IMO. Its fugly.
  • 01-12-2015
    Ehien
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    Has anyone received a MIPS version yet? Art's was supposed to have them 1/11, but now they're backordered until 2/7.

    Haven't received shipping notice for mine (MIPS too). Hope available date is not pushed out for a month!
  • 01-12-2015
    challybert
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ehien View Post
    Haven't received shipping notice for mine (MIPS too). Hope available date is not pushed out for a month!

    Just spoke with Arts folks. Current ETA is early/mid February for some sizes of Red and White. The black version may be delayed out to March.
  • 01-13-2015
    Ehien
    Got an email from Art's today saying that they will receive my helmet (White MIPS L) on 2/7. This is almost a month of delay but well it is what it is and I just hope they can stick to the new schedule without further delay.
  • 01-16-2015
    ColinL
    PSA - ordered a standard (not MIPS) Super 2R large white from Universal Cycles yesterday morning and it shipped yesterday afternoon. It's $180 normally, 10% off with their email list coupon code (they send one every month - I sometimes even read the rest of the email :D), and free standard shipping.

    So, $162 wasn't half bad. :D
  • 01-16-2015
    Elbastardo
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    PSA - ordered a standard (not MIPS) Super 2R large white from Universal Cycles yesterday morning and it shipped yesterday afternoon. It's $180 normally, 10% off with their email list coupon code (they send one every month - I sometimes even read the rest of the email :D), and free standard shipping.

    So, $162 wasn't half bad. :D

    You could have gotten MIPS from arts for 15% off and $25 gift card... Just as a fyi
  • 01-16-2015
    ColinL
    I didn't want the MIPS, honestly. I don't know if there is anything different about this helmet, since I haven't seen them in person, but other MIPS helmets I've tried are bulkier than their standard versions.
  • 01-16-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elbastardo View Post
    You could have gotten MIPS from arts for 15% off and $25 gift card... Just as a fyi

    15% off doesn't work with the $25 Gift Card deal and you can't remove the $25 deal. Both MIPS and Std qualify.

    EDIT: Oh yeah...there's that "work-around" for that. I forgot! :lol:
  • 01-18-2015
    Elbastardo
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I didn't want the MIPS, honestly. I don't know if there is anything different about this helmet, since I haven't seen them in person, but other MIPS helmets I've tried are bulkier than their standard versions.

    Point being you could also get the regular helmet with the discount
  • 01-19-2015
    GeorgeWHayduke
    Well add me to the list of old Super users who hates the fit of the Super 2R - the new hard pads pointed out earlier in the thread have ruined the fit. Super bummed.
  • 01-19-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GeorgeWHayduke View Post
    Well add me to the list of old Super users who hates the fit of the Super 2R - the new hard pads pointed out earlier in the thread have ruined the fit. Super bummed.

    Peel 'em out. That's how I'm running mine.
  • 01-28-2015
    pavlentos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saladin View Post
    Got mine today! This thing is sweet!

    Attachment 952506

    Very lightweight. Nice, sturdy GoPro mount. And the removable guard should suit my riding needs quite well, although I hope to never actually NEED the chin guard.

    It's not the most comfortable helmet I've ever worn, but far from the worst. It, like other Bell helmets I've tried, including motorcycle helmets, don't fit my abnormally long dome shape ideally. There's a bit of pressure at the very front, and especially at the very back. I'll keep an eye out at REI and see if they get any larges in before the riding season restarts, or perhaps a MIPS version, or the matte/red version, but I think a larger size might allow a bit too much movement.

    I think the pressure points can be fixed by adding a little bit more padding. Did any of you guys' helmets come with any extra padding or cheek pad inserts?

    Hi, what size of your head and helmet ?
  • 01-28-2015
    Fastline
    I was able to try the Super 2 out at the LBS, what did Bell do with their fit? I have the Bell Stoker and the Super and both fit like a glove, so comfortable you forget you have them on kind of fit. But the Super 2 is terrible. And add to it some very odd colors, I see a lot of these going on clearance later this year. Too bad as I liked the chin guard idea but the fit would drive me nuts.
  • 01-29-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fastline View Post
    I was able to try the Super 2 out at the LBS, what did Bell do with their fit?

    Changing the fit would explain why the Super 2R fits me and no Bell helmet I've tried previously did. I took out the extra cheek pads in the chinbar and it fits me perfectly.
  • 01-29-2015
    squareback
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Changing the fit would explain why the Super 2R fits me and no Bell helmet I've tried previously did. I took out the extra cheek pads in the chinbar and it fits me perfectly.

    The same experience for me. I really wanted a Bell regular Super last winter. I went to the store, put on the best one and just walked around. I couldn't stop thinking about my head and the poor fit, and I walked out of the store empty handed.
    Fast forward to this past Christmas. I got a Bell Super 2r, popped it on my head and never took it off. I fits me just perfect, and now that the days are getting sunny (hella NorCal) I like the sweat management better than my Uvex, Giro or Specialized.
  • 01-29-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    I fits me just perfect, and now that the days are getting sunny (hella NorCal) I like the sweat management better than my Uvex, Giro or Specialized.

    I agree that the sweat management is good, and the clearance for sunglasses is GREAT.

    I have my chinstrap relatively tight and the way the straps come out of the helmet, they don't touch sunglass arms at all. the back of the arm also doesn't touch the sides of the helmet over and behind my ears. It is far better than my road helmet (Cannondale Teramo), my old MTB helmet (Specialized Instinct) or my DH shell (Giro Remedy).

    I guess I'm just fortunate that my head is very much like what Bell designed the helmet to fit.
  • 01-29-2015
    jsalas2
    Fastline, what didn't you like about the fit, was it the hard plastic pads mentioned earlier.
  • 01-29-2015
    clovek
    2 Attachment(s)
    seems there are 2 versions of super 2/2R out there. one version (see pics) has hole in vents, where chin bar locks on sides and does not have weird rubber pads. second version does not have hole and has rubber pads. is there any explanation other than first version seems like super 1? but chin bar was locked in place and label was 2R or same without chin bar labeled super 2.
  • 01-29-2015
    Fastline
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsalas2 View Post
    Fastline, what didn't you like about the fit, was it the hard plastic pads mentioned earlier.

    Helmet was resting on 3 points on my skull and not uniformly like their other models. Seemed to be narrow at the top, very uncomfortable. I tried adjusting the pads a bit and trying large vs medium but it never felt good.
  • 01-29-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clovek View Post
    seems there are 2 versions of super 2/2R out there. one version (see pics) has hole in vents, where chin bar locks on sides and does not have weird rubber pads. second version does not have hole and has rubber pads. is there any explanation other than first version seems like super 1? but chin bar was locked in place and label was 2R or same without chin bar labeled super 2.

    Interesting. IIRC, the new Super 2 without the chinbar is supposed to be able to accept the chinbar should one decide to buy it. At least that's what I recall reading when these started hitting the shelves. My 2R with chinbar does not have "open" vents where the chinbar mates with the helmet. I wonder if this is the magic for custom fit. Buy the Super 2 without chinbar so you can get it without the sh*tty rubber pads. I'd love to see how the Super 2 feels for fit compared to my 2R.
  • 01-29-2015
    bigyin
    I like the look of this helmet a lot seen a few comments about how well ventilated it is and you forget you're wearing it

    Keep the great info coming my trigger finger is itching on this one
  • 01-30-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Interesting. IIRC, the new Super 2 without the chinbar is supposed to be able to accept the chinbar should one decide to buy it. At least that's what I recall reading when these started hitting the shelves. My 2R with chinbar does not have "open" vents where the chinbar mates with the helmet. I wonder if this is the magic for custom fit. Buy the Super 2 without chinbar so you can get it without the sh*tty rubber pads. I'd love to see how the Super 2 feels for fit compared to my 2R.

    Yes, the Super 2 has changed for 2015, and does accept the chinbar. I don't know how much it costs separately, but I wouldn't assume the new Super 2 lacks the pads that some of you find uncomfortable. Possibly, the new Super 2 has those same pads and becomes identical to the Super 2R when the chinbar is purchased and installed.

    http://www.bellhelmets.com/cycling/helmets/super-1547/

    I also know there are some pics of the pre-production 'mockup' Super 2R floating around from trade shows last year. That helmet doesn't exist for consumers, and likely never will...
  • 01-30-2015
    clovek
    ColinL - i have attached images of super 2 that I took yesterday in local bike shop. yesterday they had not super 2R but week ago I was there to try 2R and it was same as super 2 from images - without rubber pads. meanwhile I ordered 2R from different eshop and they sent me super 2 (by mistake) that had rubber pads. so I went to LBS yesterday to check helmets again and I took photos. on images there is visible slot for chin bar - in front of front strap pin. also there are slots for locking mechanism in vent hole (not clearly visible). so helmet on my images is super 2 and is sold by LBS right now (slovakia - EU).
  • 01-30-2015
    Mangchi BB
    1 Attachment(s)
  • 02-02-2015
    Mud Pig
    1 Attachment(s)
    Attachment 961177

    I was able to get a Super 2R MIPS from Bell as a crash replacement (30%off) to my old Super. I got a med, just like my Super. The fit sucks. It was painful to wear it; it felt like a medieval torture device; the new rubber pads plus the mips layer made the fit impossible. I was able to go to my local shop and tried on a large mips 2r; it fits, but seems like it's a tad too big, but it fits. The salesman said that he wouldn't sell that size to me cuz it looks big on me. I mean I think I can live with it, but in terms of safety, which we are after, i don't know. But in no way, the new Super 2R MIPS fit like the regular 2R or the old Super. Bell is going to send me a large, I'll decide then whether to return it or keep it. Most likely I'll return it and stick with my TLD A-1. Good concept but because to protect one's face from the binders during a crash, they had to add the additional rubber pads which throws off the sizing.
  • 02-02-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    The large will "feel" like it fits but it will have too much volume. It will not stay in place when you most need it....during an impact. I tried the large, too. If you have no other recourse, like a refund, and you have to take something, pull those POS rubber pads out of the medium and call it good!

    I haven't tried a MIPS, yet. Maybe you should try the Med 2R non-MIPS in case the MIPS effects fit, too. ??
  • 02-03-2015
    ColinL
    Can someone take some pics of the interior of the MIPS version? I'm curious what is different about the pads & fit.
  • 02-03-2015
    root
    Friend reported that LBS got the MIPS and he tried it on & it was uncomfortable. I'll go by Thursday when I usually stop in & see. I have both a 1st gen Super and S2R. Both fit me well.
  • 02-04-2015
    jsalas2
    When you pull off the two plastic pads, how do you get rid of the sticky residue underneath
  • 02-04-2015
    THX-1138
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Can someone take some pics of the interior of the MIPS version? I'm curious what is different about the pads & fit.





  • 02-04-2015
    challybert
    Well, my medium white mips version is supposed to arrive on Monday from Art's. From the reviews here is sounds like I'll be donning a crown of thorns. I'll report back.
  • 02-04-2015
    Mud Pig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    The large will "feel" like it fits but it will have too much volume. It will not stay in place when you most need it....during an impact. I tried the large, too. If you have no other recourse, like a refund, and you have to take something, pull those POS rubber pads out of the medium and call it good!

    I haven't tried a MIPS, yet. Maybe you should try the Med 2R non-MIPS in case the MIPS effects fit, too. ??

    Yes, i did try a non mips med 2r, it fits, but i can feel the 2 new pads, but they dont hurt like the one with mips. May switch out to the non mips. Cheers!
  • 02-05-2015
    ColinL
    I'll be honest; I see no differences in the interior of the MIPS and my non-MIPS helmet in terms of the liner, webbing & pads. I have not tried on a MIPS yet but Mud Pig and maybe others have tried on the MIPS and standard Super 2R.

    If there's a difference in the fit of the MIPS it's got to be the inner diameter and/or shape of the shell. Which would make sense; that's what makes MIPS, the inside slips against the outer shell in a crash.

    I also went back to post #29 Bell Super 2R. It's Official! - Page 2- Mtbr.com and looked at the rubber pad that OMS doesn't like. Yes, that's definitely in my Super 2R non-MIPS, and no, it doesn't bother me at all. It probably depends on how oval one's head is. More oval, and that piece on the side doesn't cause discomfort. More round, and you'll want to remove that piece or possibly not use this helmet at all.
  • 02-05-2015
    Ehien
    Got my L MIPS from Arts yesterday (ordered around Xmas time). The fit around ears is definitely tighter than L Super (non MIPS) I tried at REI. While Super fitted comfortably, I got pressure points above ears with Super 2R MIPS. It seemed to ease a bit after some wearing. I'm going to use it a bit more and see if thing improves. Taking out the rubber pads around ears will be an option if necessary. This is the only concern I have. Otherwise, everything worked great.
  • 02-05-2015
    Speedster
    Same issue here. Original Super fits perfectly but Super 2 has pressure points towards back side. Maybe it's pads. Stared to become very uncomfortable after 4-5 miles. Next size up was comfy but too loose.
  • 02-05-2015
    Ehien
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Speedster View Post
    Same issue here. Original Super fits perfectly but Super 2 has pressure points towards back side. Maybe it's pads. Stared to become very uncomfortable after 4-5 miles. Next size up was comfy but too loose.

    Besides removing the offending rubber pads, it may be possible to compress and deform them to reduce pressure at pressure points. At least it seems for me it's possible and I'm going to try. Will report back after few rides in.
  • 02-05-2015
    martinizer
    I got my MIPs Super 2R today. The good news is that unlike other MIPs helmets I've tried on (including those from Bell), the helmet doesn't seem to wobble around a lot. Whether that reduces the usefulness of the MIPS layer is unclear.

    Like others, I definitely notice a pressure point from the rubber pads. However I found that tightening up the rear fit wheel thingy helped reduce the pressure from the pads considerably. It still doesn't fit nearly as well as my Kali Avatar, but it should breathe better.

    BTW does anyone know the purpose of the two little black pieces of plastic in the bag with the directions?
  • 02-05-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    BTW does anyone know the purpose of the two little black pieces of plastic in the bag with the directions?

    If you're talking about the 2 tiny bits, they're plugs that fill the hole where the side clamps of the chin bar attach. To be used when the chin bar is not attached. I'd give them 1, maybe 2 applications at best before they're lost! :lol: Mine stayed in the bag.
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    After all the posts here, I was expecting the 2R to feel like a medieval torture device. Instead, I found it comfortable. Now, that's just based on wearing it for a few minutes inside, and that absolutely is not enough to tell whether it's comfortable for a 3-hour ride. But my initial impression is different from many here.

    The only concern I noticed was that there was not a lot of room around the ears for sunglasses. Common issue for FF helmets. Again, without a longer test, impossible to say if that turns out to be a real problem or not.

    Anyway, just another piece of info for folks on the fence.

    FWIW, I think I'm getting a Kali Maya instead, because my main concern is concussions and I've concluded that softer foam is more promising for preventing concussions than MIPS and a chinbar.
  • 02-06-2015
    xhailofgunfirex
    Received my Super 2R MIPS yesterday, fit me fine also, felt the same to me as my original Super.
  • 02-06-2015
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    After all the posts here, I was expecting the 2R to feel like a medieval torture device. Instead, I found it comfortable. Now, that's just based on wearing it for a few minutes inside, and that absolutely is not enough to tell whether it's comfortable for a 3-hour ride. But my initial impression is different from many here.

    The only concern I noticed was that there was not a lot of room around the ears for sunglasses. Common issue for FF helmets. Again, without a longer test, impossible to say if that turns out to be a real problem or not.

    Anyway, just another piece of info for folks on the fence.

    FWIW, I think I'm getting a Kali Maya instead, because my main concern is concussions and I've concluded that softer foam is more promising for preventing concussions than MIPS and a chinbar.

    I ordered a Super 2 MIPS yesterday. Funny, I had set up an e-mail alert with Bell when that helmet came available, and I never got one. Anyway, shipping was lightning fast. I used their free FedEx option, and it just showed up. I've been somewhat concerned about people talking about fit, and those hard pads on the side concerned me. I am sitting at my desk wearing it now, and honestly, I find it comfortable. The sensation was weird when I first put it on, because it DOES fit snug on the sides of my head. I am solidly a large in helmets, so I ordered the large Super 2. If my head was any wider, this helmet wouldn't fit at all...I see that. There's room front to back in the helmet for adjustment purposes.

    For me, it's working with my sunglasses quite well. There's a nice little gap just above my ears where the arms of my glasses slide in. They don't interfere with any part of the helmet. Granted, I don't have a chin bar on mine.

    I am curious why you think softer foam works BETTER than MIPS to prevent concussions. I see that Kali has its own tech it's using to exceed minimum safety requirements, and that's cool and all. But I don't see any claims there that it prevents concussions better than MIPS tech. It seems to me that what Kali is doing does a slightly different thing than what MIPS does.
  • 02-06-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    For me, it's working with my sunglasses quite well. There's a nice little gap just above my ears where the arms of my glasses slide in. They don't interfere with any part of the helmet. Granted, I don't have a chin bar on mine.

    Yes. The Super 2 / 2R has excellent sunglass clearance for a helmet that sits so low behind the ears and back of head. It fits the same with or without the chinbar.

    Regarding concussions, I sure hope anyone seriously concerned about them is wearing a mouthguard.
  • 02-06-2015
    martinizer
    There's plenty of debate over whether MIPS works in the real world.
    MIPS and Sliding Resistance of Bicycle Helmets

    Anecdotally, i can attest to the concussion prevention of Kali helmets. I recently crashed my Avatar hard enough to abrade my upper forehead, but rode away without any signs of concussion. I replaced my Avatar with another for shuttle days.

    If Kali made a more ventilated, trail oriented FF, I'd buy it over the Bell any day. But until then, the Super 2R with MIPS (whethe that helps or not) wil have to do.
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I am curious why you think softer foam works BETTER than MIPS to prevent concussions. I see that Kali has its own tech it's using to exceed minimum safety requirements, and that's cool and all. But I don't see any claims there that it prevents concussions better than MIPS tech. It seems to me that what Kali is doing does a slightly different thing than what MIPS does.

    Well, I have no empirical data to support my conclusion. I don't think there's meaningful public data either way. We're all fumbling in the dark.

    There have been several good threads on this general topic here. The short answer is that I've been influenced by the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute's take, here and here and here.

    You're obviously correct that Kali's dual-density foam is a different approach to reducing concussions than MIPS.
  • 02-06-2015
    BadBoyRipper
    I have a good friend that works at Bell and I'm going to have him get me either the Super 2 or the Stoker 2015. From chatting with him, he mentioned to me that the MIPS version isn't worth the $20 you pay for it. Regardless of if it works or not, I won't be getting the MIPS version of either helmet.
  • 02-06-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    There have been several good threads on this general topic here. The short answer is that I've been influenced by the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute's take, here and here and here.

    Not one of those links suggests wearing a mouthguard for trail riding. Obviously, commuters and roadies wouldn't wear one. But if you're riding MTB trails and you've crashed hard and fear concussions, it's been proven time and time again in contact sports that a mouthguard does a hell of a lot.

    But don't listen to me, I have a non-MIPS helmet and don't wear a mouthguard. :D And I don't get concussions or have reasonable cause to fear getting one.
  • 02-06-2015
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    There's plenty of debate over whether MIPS works in the real world.
    MIPS and Sliding Resistance of Bicycle Helmets

    Anecdotally, i can attest to the concussion prevention of Kali helmets. I recently crashed my Avatar hard enough to abrade my upper forehead, but rode away without any signs of concussion. I replaced my Avatar with another for shuttle days.

    If Kali made a more ventilated, trail oriented FF, I'd buy it over the Bell any day. But until then, the Super 2R with MIPS (whethe that helps or not) wil have to do.

    Informative article. Never really thought about how the exterior shape of a helmet would affect the twisting forces on a glancing impact, but it makes perfect sense. With that in mind, the typical XC and road helmets are far from ideal. The Super is better, but the adjuster knobs for the visor add grabby friction points.

    I do agree with the conclusion in that article that this recent spur to improve the performance of helmets is a really important one. If anything, the popularity of MIPS systems shows that people WANT a safer helmet, and I applaud companies forging their own way to make a safer helmet. But I think it's too early to compare the relative merits of each approach.

    I do wish I had access to a wider variety of mtb helmet brands. Bell and Giro are the big ones locally, and then each shop tends to carry at least one brand sold by one of the bike companies they sell in the shop.

    I did get a chance to try some POC helmets when the product rep came by with samples one day. They just don't fit my melon. Haven't had a chance to try Kali, so I have even less idea if they'd work for me. Bell and Giro tend to work for me for the most part, so I felt comfortable ordering the Super 2 even though many others here seem to dislike the fit. I got mine for a REALLY good price, too, so I'm not going to complain.
  • 02-06-2015
    Ehien
    Used two c clamps to compress part of the rubber pads overnight and went for a ride this morning. Pressure points on sides still existed but they are not unbearable. Think I'll be ok with the fit after more wear.

    What I learned is... for someone with no-so-narrow head, i.e., one that have helmet size determined by width like myself, the size difference between Super and Super 2R Mips is about one size. Medium Super fitted me tight but no pressure point. Now with Large Super 2R Mips, the fit is actually slightly tighter with two pressure points due to addition of rubber pads and Mips layer. Just my 2 cents...
  • 02-06-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    There's plenty of debate over whether MIPS works in the real world.
    MIPS and Sliding Resistance of Bicycle Helmets

    Anecdotally, i can attest to the concussion prevention of Kali helmets. I recently crashed my Avatar hard enough to abrade my upper forehead, but rode away without any signs of concussion. I replaced my Avatar with another for shuttle days.

    If Kali made a more ventilated, trail oriented FF, I'd buy it over the Bell any day. But until then, the Super 2R with MIPS (whethe that helps or not) wil have to do.

    That doesn't prove anything about the helmets ability to prevent concussions, you don't know that you would have gotten one in a different helmet.

    Not all hard crashes cause concussions.
  • 02-06-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Well, I have no empirical data to support my conclusion. I don't think there's meaningful public data either way. We're all fumbling in the dark.

    There have been several good threads on this general topic here. The short answer is that I've been influenced by the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute's take, here and here and here.

    You're obviously correct that Kali's dual-density foam is a different approach to reducing concussions than MIPS.

    Might want to watch this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJb3LIupM2A

    Different method, same thing, reduce angular acceleration.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk94MdHGSPg
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Not one of those links suggests wearing a mouthguard for trail riding. Obviously, commuters and roadies wouldn't wear one. But if you're riding MTB trails and you've crashed hard and fear concussions, it's been proven time and time again in contact sports that a mouthguard does a hell of a lot.

    Interesting. Hadn't really thought much about that before. Good input.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    And I don't get concussions or have reasonable cause to fear getting one.

    Yeah, me neither, til I got one.
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I do agree with the conclusion in that article that this recent spur to improve the performance of helmets is a really important one. If anything, the popularity of MIPS systems shows that people WANT a safer helmet, and I applaud companies forging their own way to make a safer helmet. But I think it's too early to compare the relative merits of each approach.

    Agree. But waiting around for objective helmet-safety data might be a long wait.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I do wish I had access to a wider variety of mtb helmet brands. Bell and Giro are the big ones locally, and then each shop tends to carry at least one brand sold by one of the bike companies they sell in the shop.

    I did get a chance to try some POC helmets when the product rep came by with samples one day. They just don't fit my melon. Haven't had a chance to try Kali, so I have even less idea if they'd work for me. Bell and Giro tend to work for me for the most part, so I felt comfortable ordering the Super 2 even though many others here seem to dislike the fit. I got mine for a REALLY good price, too, so I'm not going to complain.

    Art's Cyclery, with free shipping both ways, is an option.
  • 02-06-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Interesting. Hadn't really thought much about that before. Good input.

    Yeah, me neither, til I got one.

    I'm 39 and I've lived through soccer, motocross racing and MTBing without an incident. I am sure it's possible to get one, but until it happens, I honestly can't justify the extra gear.

    I *do* wear a full face helmet on rocky trails, because concussion aside, smashing my face on a rock doesn't sound fun. I see tons of people wearing half-lids. 95%.

    BTW talk to your dentist about a custom mouthguard. Much better than boil & bite, or anything cheap at a sporting goods store.
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I'm 39 and I've lived through soccer, motocross racing and MTBing without an incident. I am sure it's possible to get one, but until it happens, I honestly can't justify the extra gear.

    Suit yourself. At 39 I could have said the same. How many posts do you see in this forum, and Rider Down, from people looking to buy gear to protect themselves from the big injury they just got?
  • 02-06-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I'm 39 and I've lived through soccer, motocross racing and MTBing without an incident. I am sure it's possible to get one, but until it happens, I honestly can't justify the extra gear.

    I *do* wear a full face helmet on rocky trails, because concussion aside, smashing my face on a rock doesn't sound fun. I see tons of people wearing half-lids. 95%.

    BTW talk to your dentist about a custom mouthguard. Much better than boil & bite, or anything cheap at a sporting goods store.

    To be blunt- you don't know that. If you read about concussions then you know that you could have suffered one and not known it. All concussions aren't the biggies that you end up knowing something is wrong.
    The research is also showing that it's not always just one big concussion that screws you for life, the damage is cumulative, so a lot of small ones are still bad for you.
  • 02-06-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Suit yourself. At 39 I could have said the same. How many posts do you see in this forum, and Rider Down, from people looking to buy gear to protect themselves from the big injury they just got?

    I have no problem with anyone being cautious. I do have problems when I see people on the trails with no helmet.

    I'm not sure why you think I might not believe this, when I bothered 2x to mention mouthguards?
  • 02-06-2015
    OldManBike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I'm not sure why you think I might not believe this, when I bothered 2x to mention mouthguards?

    Uh ... the reason I thought you might not believe that is because you said you couldn't justify spending money to reduce concussion risk until you get one.

    Like I said, suit yourself, I'm not telling you what to do or trying win the internet today.
  • 02-06-2015
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    The research is also showing that it's not always just one big concussion that screws you for life, the damage is cumulative, so a lot of small ones are still bad for you.

    I don't think it's possible to play soccer without suffering at least a few small concussions. I know I had a couple small ones from soccer, and at least one from a bike crash in the 80's when I was a kid with no helmet. Probably more that would require imaging to detect.

    A mouthguard is an interesting thought. Not sure how much one would impede breathing, as I've never used one. Seems to me that to get the same airflow, you'd have to open your mouth more. I don't use my mouth all the time, but when I go anaerobic and am really pushing it, I'm mouth breathing for sure.
  • 02-06-2015
    ColinL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Uh ... the reason I thought you might not believe that is because you said you couldn't justify spending money to reduce concussion risk until you get one.

    It's actually the hassle of wearing the extra gear, not the money. I've got a ton of pads used for lift service, but certainly don't wear it on XC trails.

    I know the counterpoint - and it's valid:
    A MIPS helmet isn't any different than a regular helmet, assuming it fits comfortably, and wearing a mouthguard isn't really an issue either once you get used to it.

    In the context of this thread, I didn't get MIPS Super 2R because I didn't think I needed it (which I freely admit is absurd), and I didn't want to wait for the MIPS version to be in stock, and I tried on the standard and MIPS versions of a POC helmet last year and the MIPS version didn't fit the same.
  • 02-07-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ehien View Post
    Used two c clamps to compress part of the rubber pads overnight and went for a ride this morning. Pressure points on sides still existed but they are not unbearable. Think I'll be ok with the fit after more wear.

    You took them out to do this c-clamp compression?
  • 02-07-2015
    Ehien
    No I left them in while doing so. Still need a bit more so now inserting things to expand near ear area. Will see in next couple days. I'll take out rubber pads if pressure points can't be completely removed.
  • 02-07-2015
    martinizer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    That doesn't prove anything about the helmets ability to prevent concussions, you don't know that you would have gotten one in a different helmet.

    Not all hard crashes cause concussions.

    No kidding. Thus the use of the word "anecdotally."
  • 02-07-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    I'm trying to envision how you can compress the pads with a c-clamp without compressing the EPS liner at those points and rendering it useless?
  • 02-07-2015
    evasive
    Bell Super 2R. It's Official!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    The research is also showing that it's not always just one big concussion that screws you for life, the damage is cumulative, so a lot of small ones are still bad for you.

    Yup. This is what the NFL continues to ignore - the fact that the effect of repetitive subconcussive blows to the head is what's really implicated in the studies of brain trauma. Not the attention-grabbing hits, but what lineman do on every down. And that's the problem for them, and why they praise themselves for focusing on the big hits.
  • 02-09-2015
    OldManBike
    I would not be surprised if something like the Dainese motorcycle airbag ends up being the solution. A chest-mounted MTB airbag that protects the head along with the torso. (And you thought mountain-biking was expensive now ...)
  • 02-09-2015
    challybert
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    I would not be surprised if something like the Dainese motorcycle airbag ends up being the solution. A chest-mounted MTB airbag that protects the head along with the torso. (And you thought mountain-biking was expensive now ...)

    LOL, if you wear full gear with all that airbag technology, at least speaking for myself, I won't be able to get up off the ground with some help. I'd be like the Michelin Man.


    My Bell Super 2R Helmet of Thorns arrives tonight. I'll take pictures if blood starts to run down my forehead when I try it on.
  • 02-09-2015
    Ehien
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I'm trying to envision how you can compress the pads with a c-clamp without compressing the EPS liner at those points and rendering it useless?

    The rubber pads are lot more compliant than EPS form so the latter is not deformed. But my new method is to have something between left and right pads to compress them. After leaving it so for almost two days, it's all good now. The pressure points are gone and fitting to my noggin is perfect. It's a keeper.
  • 02-11-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Greetings, community!
    Want to get one 2R for myselm, just not shure, as Hamlet says - to mips or not to mips!? :)
    Also one more thing - is 2R mips and no mips versions in red the same red? Or different from eachother?
  • 02-11-2015
    challybert
    My Medium Mips fits great. I feel no discomfort from those pesky side pads/rubber piece. Left it on watching Office Space last night. Only complaint I have is drinking a beer and eating wings while in full face protection mode sucks. Oh yeah, laughing ain't the same with cheek pads pressing against your face either.

    I'll report back in after a ride or two.
  • 02-11-2015
    martinizer
    Personally MIPS made sense to me since it was just $20 more. (if it had been $$, no way).

    The red mips has a lot of orange in it.
  • 02-11-2015
    Harold
    the red is the same between the two. My shop has a red one, and it's a kinda pale red. I don't like it. Which is why I got a white one.

    As for MIPS vs. without...up to you. I have no idea if they fit the same or not. My Super 2 MIPS fits narrow, and it sounds like non-mips also fits narrow. The MIPS system does creak a bit, so if that would annoy you a lot, it may not be worth the extra expense.

    If I didn't have a huge coupon, I'd have just purchased the non-MIPS version.
  • 02-11-2015
    evasive
    For $20, I would probably choose the MIPS version of the Super 2 if it fits.

    When it comes to half-shell helmets, I'm skeptical that MIPS does much more than increase the price. I doubt that most half-shells stay in place enough during an impact that slippage within the MIPS construction provides any benefit.
  • 02-11-2015
    Dimon Hell
    For me most importans is colour. I need more orange-red, to match my orange Spitty. :)
    And mips version looks like the one i need. If nonmips is the same color - i'll take nonmips.
  • 02-11-2015
    ColinL
    The colors are supposed to be identical between MIPS and non-MIPS.

    I have seen the non-MIPS 'infrared' in person and it is pretty orange. If your monitor is tuned right, the bell website shows it accurately, in my opinion: http://www.bellhelmets.com/cycling/h.../super-2r-8581
  • 02-11-2015
    THX-1138
    I was able to receive my Large MIPS black version of the Super 2R and it fit like a glove. Found it to be fairly light and comfortable. Will take it for a 3 hour ride this weekend on sunny and low 70s weather.
  • 02-11-2015
    Dimon Hell
    The Bells answer, that the colors are the same, and also - chinbar will be available separatelly soon to use with usual Super 2 helm!!!
  • 02-13-2015
    tacticalbeard
    https://www.facebook.com/Mtbrcom/pho...type=1&theater
    Comparison with the met parachute coming soon...
  • 02-13-2015
    Dickbrown
    How is the chinbar fitting for everyone? I bought a M Super2R and the half lid fits great, the adjuster in back is right in the middle. When I put the chinbar on, however, the pads press into my face in a way that I can feel it in my molars. I even took the rubber pads out of the chinbar but its still so tight. For the record the large was loose on my head when sized all the way down.

    I dont have any experience with full face helmets, is this the fit? Just seems very uncomfortable to wear for any length of time, even a short downhill.
  • 02-13-2015
    ColinL
    the chinbar pads are foam, and yes, they're very thick. I don't know how your face could be touching the chinbar when they're removed, though... they're almost an inch thick.
  • 02-13-2015
    Dickbrown
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    the chinbar pads are foam, and yes, they're very thick. I don't know how your face could be touching the chinbar when they're removed, though... they're almost an inch thick.

    There are little rubber inserts inside the foam pads that you can remove. With the rubber inserts in the damn thing smushes my cheeks together. Without the rubber inserts its better but not comfortable in the least.
  • 02-17-2015
    GeorgeWHayduke
    I've posted this elsewhere, but I figured I'd add a data point to the conversation. I'm a happy user of the Super in a size Large, but the Super 2 is painful with the new pads, and the Super 2 with MIPS doesn't even fit on my head.
  • 02-23-2015
    jsalas2
    Just received mine today, fit felt terrible until I removed the two plastic pads, came off easy enough, easy to stick back on if fit problem not solved, changed the feel completely. Definitely a keeper now. The only problem I have is my back latch is hard to pry open.
  • 02-23-2015
    Ehien
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsalas2 View Post
    Just received mine today, fit felt terrible until I removed the two plastic pads, came off easy enough, easy to stick back on if fit problem not solved, changed the feel completely. Definitely a keeper now. The only problem I have is my back latch is hard to pry open.

    Completely expected. Those two pads effectively change the helmet to the next smaller size- for one without narrow head.

    But I chose to live with the pads. After compressing them for a few days, the helmet is a tight fit but there's no longer pressure point. I'm guessing that in order to meet certain spec, Bell added the pads but chose not to change mold for EPS form. Not cool...
  • 02-23-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Order mine yesterday, from UK.
    They out of stock in Germany... I've buyed non mips, infrared. As soon as i get one - i'll let you know about impression.
  • 02-24-2015
    tacticalbeard
    could someone post some pics with the helmet on ? I saw a few pics but most of the time it fits differently and looks either good or silly
  • 02-24-2015
    THX-1138
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tacticalbeard View Post
    could someone post some pics with the helmet on ? I saw a few pics but most of the time it fits differently and looks either good or silly

    Keep in mind that each human cranium is as different as our fingerprints in our hands and feet. Also, some have probably ordered or used the wrong size in these pictures so the look may be deceiving. Hope this slew of pictures helps you make up your mind. In my case I am very happy with my Large Black Bell Super 2R MIPS:





























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  • 02-24-2015
    tacticalbeard
    thanks man for putting all of these together, will surely help other folks too! I was especially thinking about that last pic lol, that helmet doesn't look so great on his head. Anyways I am waiting for mtbr's comparison on the 2 helmets (parachute and 2r), cant wait to ride lol.
  • 02-25-2015
    ColinL
    Is the MET Parachute going to be distributed and sold in the US? Last I checked, the only way to get one was by ordering from UK or Germany.
  • 02-25-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Is the MET Parachute going to be distributed and sold in the US? Last I checked, the only way to get one was by ordering from UK or Germany.

    yes, they announced that they have a distributorship
    and are passing our standards to sell here.
  • 02-25-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Unfortunatelly can't buy R2 Infrared in Europe - they completely out of stock till summer! :(
    Are they in stock in US?
  • 02-25-2015
    mark59
    1 Attachment(s)
    Mini Met parachute Review
    I just received my Met Parachute from the UK took about 2 weeks to have it at my door. I bought it from High on Bikes the process was simple and easy they even have an option for returns. I was really disappointed in the Bell Super full face helmet it was so uncomfortable for me I really wanted it to work because I was so happy with the Bell Super non full face which is my favorite and most comfortable helmet. Unfortunately both the Mips and the none Mips in the Super full face were very uncomfortable for me . I tried wearing it around my house and I could not wait to take the Bell off . I returned both of them and ordered the Met Parachute . Last weekend was my first ride and for me and the Parachute is very comfortable. I like the fact it has a real helmet strap like I use for my motorcycle and the chin pads are not as think as the Super Bell. The strap around your head works really nice on the Met it has a gel pad on the front, One of the most important parts of a full face helmet for me is the vision and viewing angles and they are fantastic on the MET . The real shocker for me was the air flow on the Parachute . Its amazing how much air flows through the helmet. Last weekend was almost 70 degress and I had no issues with over heating on a 3 hour ride . It also has a nice feature on the back for goggles which I use so I am happy with that. Now that I have the Met I am happy that it has the strict certification by ATSM standards ,because when I really thought about it I don't really know how many times I would have taken the chin bar off on the Super Bell full face . One more point was the weight of the Met was not an issue at all . I don't really see any negative points to the Met at all after wearing it . Other then trying to buy it overseas which is not really a huge issue . My head measures in between a 59-62 so large seems to be fine on the size. Oh it also comes with different chin pads that are thinner and it also comes with a camera mount and nice carrying bag. I really like the looks of the Met over the Bell the Met looks like more of true full face helmet . I was wanting to buy the Bell because Bell said they were going to use the same shape for the full face that they used for the non full face Super and that was far from my experience comparing the two. Bottom line I think both helmets are very good . More options for us as riders to be safe and comforatble
  • 02-26-2015
    tacticalbeard
    Thanks for you input, though I have difficulty to understand some of it lol.
  • 02-26-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Order once again from Hibike.
  • 02-28-2015
    dirtvert
    So I got my Bell Super MIPS on Wednesday, and took it out for a little bike path spin (sans chin piece). I ordered a large and had tried out a buddy's in the parking lot last week. Everything was great until about an hour in when I started getting pain in the upper rear of my noggin, where the MIPS attaches in its slots (there's almost no padding there). It was fairly uncomfortable for the rest of the ride. I'm going to try and adjust everything and will report back after a real ride tomorrow in Santa Cruz...
  • 02-28-2015
    dy3ecs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    So I got my Bell Super MIPS on Wednesday, and took it out for a little bike path spin (sans chin piece). I ordered a large and had tried out a buddy's in the parking lot last week. Everything was great until about an hour in when I started getting pain in the upper rear of my noggin, where the MIPS attaches in its slots (there's almost no padding there). It was fairly uncomfortable for the rest of the ride. I'm going to try and adjust everything and will report back after a real ride tomorrow in Santa Cruz...

    Same here, the stick-on pads at the upper rear of the helmet cause pressure to the rear of the head thus giving me a headache.
  • 02-28-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dimon Hell View Post
    Unfortunatelly can't buy R2 Infrared in Europe - they completely out of stock till summer! :(
    Are they in stock in US?

    Art's Cyclery shows the MIPS is available in Med & Lg in the red color.
  • 03-01-2015
    Dimon Hell
    I mean in EU.
    Anyway ordered it from Hibike.
    But after all that negative i'm little bit confused, waiting for helm...
  • 03-03-2015
    dirtvert
    MIPS: Might Involve Pressure Spots

    So I went for my first real dirt ride with the helmet on Sunday at UC Santa Cruz. Just like the first time--after about 50 minutes my head starts to hurt in the same MIPS-slot spots. I adjusted the straps to move the helmet into a more forward position, then took out the top padding and laid it horizontally across the slots. Rode for about 3 more hours without issue, and I even pedaled uphill with the chinstrap on for a few miles--it definitely vents well. Still looking for a more permanent solution...

    Ran into a young guy on the ride that asked me about the helmet. When I told him about the pressure points, he said that's what's he's heard from the majority of users (Bell is a local company), and that the consensus was that it was just a 1.0 design problem. Great.
  • 03-04-2015
    GeorgeWHayduke
    I've tried on both the Super 2R & Super 2R MIPS (happy owner of an original Super, size Large) and the 2R was uncomfortable due to the new rubber pads, while the Super 2R didn't even make it onto my head - didn't fit at all. That said, I'm ordering the 2R and trying to pull out the pads, based on other suggestions here that it will then fit like my original Super.
  • 03-04-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Are you saying the Super 2R MIPS didn't make it on your head?
  • 03-04-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Because of that i've bought non mips. ;)
  • 03-04-2015
    GeorgeWHayduke
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Are you saying the Super 2R MIPS didn't make it on your head?

    Correct, similar to trying to put on a helmet a size too small.
  • 03-04-2015
    tacticalbeard
    with all of the fit issues around here i'm starting to think I'll just have to wait and buy a TLD A1...
  • 03-04-2015
    Dickbrown
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tacticalbeard View Post
    with all of the fit issues around here i'm starting to think I'll just have to wait and buy a TLD A1...

    I returned my super2R and bought the new A-1 Drone. Wearing the super sound the house I could always feel pressure points on the side where the rubber pads are. The helmet never disappeared.

    I didn't absolutley need the chin gaurd so I wouldn't have gained anything by altering the helmet. I can say that the TLD is super comfortable. Too bad the Bell doesn't fit like that.
  • 03-04-2015
    ColinL
    Everyone's head is different, so there is no way to know if the Super 2R will fit you without trying it on, or by knowing how round vs oval your head is, and whether someone with a similar head shape can wear the helmet comfortably.

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that I know I have a mid-oval head and every previous Bell helmet I have tried did not fit, creating pressure on my forehead... but the Super 2R seems to be oval, and it fits me great.
  • 03-04-2015
    squareback
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Everyone's head is different, so there is no way to know if the Super 2R will fit you without trying it on, or by knowing how round vs oval your head is, and whether someone with a similar head shape can wear the helmet comfortably.

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that I know I have a mid-oval head and every previous Bell helmet I have tried did not fit, creating pressure on my forehead... but the Super 2R seems to be oval, and it fits me great.

    Same here, as I may have mentioned. The Super 2R (non mips) is the only bell that has ever fit my head.
  • 03-04-2015
    Dickbrown
    Why can't we all just have a "standard" head shape. Darn humans.
  • 03-05-2015
    GeorgeWHayduke
    Got my Super 2R (non MIPS) and made a few changes to get the helmet to fit like my old Super - took out the rubber pads, as others have here, but also swapped out the pad that goes from the top of the head down the back and out to the sides for my old pad that just covers the top of my head - now it fits like the original Super. Really impressed with the chinbar design. Bummed that two vents were plugged on the sides, but not a deal breaker - probably necessary with the extra force in a crash from the chinbar. New Gopro mount is so much better. The extra weight of the chinbar installed makes pressure points more evident than without.

    It took some tweeking, but I'm glad I went for it.
  • 03-05-2015
    Swissam
    Tried the Super on today at my lbs to see how it fits and have to agree with the Might Involve Pressue Spots. I tried adjusting every thing and nothing seemed to work. Also I don't know if I'd ever cary that chin bar contraption around and it didn't feel confidence inspiring to me. The IXS Trail RS is much more comfortable. It's like a leather sofa vs a wooden box. Different heads and all that. YMMV
  • 03-07-2015
    Ptrick
    I rode with my Super 2R MIPS size medium (57 cm head on the dot). I must have an oval head, because it fits really well. Rode it for 3 hrs today with and without the chinbar. I too tweaked it a bit as far as the padding goes, using a spare padding liner from my POC trabec to supplement the bare bones padding on the inside. Now it fits great. As stated, more comfortable without the chinbar, but I only wear the chinbar for the descents, so not a deal breaker.

    Four minutes into my first ride with it, a downed tree was on a downhill section, tried to manual over it, bash guard got stuck on tree and over the bars I went. Landed on my face, and the chinbar only had a scratch. Worth it already (was a gift from my lady :)
  • 03-09-2015
    teK--
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    Thanks for the tips everyone re the hard foam pads. I initially tried one on at the shop and walked out real disappointed as the Super 1 fits like a glove.

    After reading this I went back in, and bought the helmet then pulled the pads off easily leaving no residue. Helmet fits great now.

    Someone asked to post a pic with the pads removed; here they are (along with the photo someone else originally posted here:

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  • 03-09-2015
    Mud Pig
    would removing of the pads cause serious injury in the event of a crash? the pads were put there for a reason.
  • 03-09-2015
    teK--
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mud Pig View Post
    would removing of the pads cause serious injury in the event of a crash? the pads were put there for a reason.

    Someone on here said they saw Super 2 helmets in a shop without these pads. Since the Super 2 can have the mouthpiece fitted, then I see no reason not to remove the pads (in a 2R) if they cause a fit issue.

    Seems like they were put on there as a bandaid solution when really they should have in-moulded that piece (or an equivalent) into that part of the helmet so it is flush with the rest of the shell.
  • 03-09-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mud Pig View Post
    would removing of the pads cause serious injury in the event of a crash? the pads were put there for a reason.

    I seriously doubt it. As I stated way back just after I started this thread, Bell responded to my query regarding removal of the pads. They didn't give me a direct "yes/no" answer but stated the pads were added as an effort to meet certain certification criteria. I didn't expect to get a blessing for their removal. The fact that the original Super had no such thing, I'm guessing it's due to the chinbar addition as the EPS liner in the helmet is essentially identical to that of the Super 2R. I've studied them closely side by side. I'm perfectly comfortable with the removal of the pads and will risk the potential effects....which I expect to none. Your results may vary.

    Perhaps someday we'll see a more direct response from Bell as this issues continues to grow. I can only imagine that this is on their radar.
  • 03-09-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I seriously doubt it. As I stated way back just after I started this thread, Bell responded to my query regarding removal of the pads. They didn't give me a direct "yes/no" answer but stated the pads were added as an effort to meet certain certification criteria. I didn't expect to get a blessing for their removal. The fact that the original Super had no such thing, I'm guessing it's due to the chinbar addition as the EPS liner in the helmet is essentially identical to that of the Super 2R. I've studied them closely side by side. I'm perfectly comfortable with the removal of the pads and will risk the potential effects....which I expect to none. Your results may vary.

    Perhaps someday we'll see a more direct response from Bell as this issues continues to grow. I can only imagine that this is on their radar.

    If it passed the Cert with the pads, no way they will tell it's ok to remove. They'd open themselves up to lawsuits with that. I doubt they'll pay to retest the helmet without the pads as well.

    Take them out knowing full well what you're doing, giving them an out if it fails for some reason.
  • 03-09-2015
    martinizer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    MIPS: Might Involve Pressure Spots

    So I went for my first real dirt ride with the helmet on Sunday at UC Santa Cruz. Just like the first time--after about 50 minutes my head starts to hurt in the same MIPS-slot spots. I adjusted the straps to move the helmet into a more forward position, then took out the top padding and laid it horizontally across the slots. Rode for about 3 more hours without issue, and I even pedaled uphill with the chinstrap on for a few miles--it definitely vents well. Still looking for a more permanent solution...

    I too was getting hot spots from the MIPS attachments in the back. So I installed a pair of corn pads (for feet) over the round MIPS holders. Worked like a charm! Went out for a 2 hour ride and never even noticed the helmet on my head.
  • 03-10-2015
    massi.rav
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by martinizer View Post
    I too was getting hot spots from the MIPS attachments in the back. So I installed a pair of corn pads (for feet) over the round MIPS holders. Worked like a charm! Went out for a 2 hour ride and never even noticed the helmet on my head.


    I'm curious. Can you post a picture?
  • 03-10-2015
    martinizer
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    Sure. The corn pads go over the MIPs buttons, and under the hemet pads.
  • 03-10-2015
    tacticalbeard
    Interesting to see such a small mod making a big difference like that...
  • 03-10-2015
    massi.rav
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tacticalbeard View Post
    Interesting to see such a small mod making a big difference like that...

    The well-known rubber pads are quite small and thin as well, but once I took them off the fit changed completely.
    I think Martinizer might have cretaed a sort of compensation thickness by adding the two corn pads instead of pulling the originals off.

    Good solution indeed. Funny how people are becoming creative in order to adapt this nice piece of helmet.
    Bell should anyway solve this fit problem in its next 2R release. Two many people are complaining about the fit.
  • 03-11-2015
    TwoTone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by massi.rav View Post
    The well-known rubber pads are quite small and thin as well, but once I took them off the fit changed completely.
    I think Martinizer might have cretaed a sort of compensation thickness by adding the two corn pads instead of pulling the originals off.

    Good solution indeed. Funny how people are becoming creative in order to adapt this nice piece of helmet.
    Bell should anyway solve this fit problem in its next 2R release. Two many people are complaining about the fit.

    What should they do to fix it? There are people it fits, change it and it won't fit them. This is the most common thing in helmets- different shape heads like different brand helmets.
  • 03-11-2015
    massi.rav
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    What should they do to fix it? There are people it fits, change it and it won't fit them. This is the most common thing in helmets- different shape heads like different brand helmets.

    I am not claiming this is the case of a new fix.
    It is just a guess counting the number of reports of painful fitting in this forum and in the italian forum I usually follow and, last but not least, my personal experience as a customer.
    It is also true that we normally report on forums when we have problems (or totally enthusiastic of a new purchase). So there might be a high number of satisfied customers out ther just enjoying the Super 2R.

    In my experience the Super 2R with the rubber pads on seemed to be not just uncomfortable but painful too. I think helmets can be comfortless when they do not perfectly adapt to head shapes.
    When there are several reports of noticeable constraint, this is a more serious problem possibly related to the project/design (?). Just my guess.

    If had not read the solution of one forumer experiencing a better fit after removing the rubber pads, I would have returned mine. Too much annoying while riding.
  • 03-11-2015
    teK--
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    What should they do to fix it? There are people it fits, change it and it won't fit them. This is the most common thing in helmets- different shape heads like different brand helmets.

    The rubber pads reduce the helmet sizing and change the shape of fit from previous Super. Brands just shouldn't do this particularly within a model line as it annoys customers loyal to their brand. Or if they make such a drastic change then revise the sizing info.

    It seems like a lazy fix for whatever the compliance reason to have the pad there. From a design point of view it should have been inset to the EPS shell so that it is flush and not protruding.
  • 03-11-2015
    martinizer
    Just to clarify, my corn pad solution is meant to alleviate the pain from the MIPS attachment points, not the pads that some (but not me) are complaining about (although if it helps that too, bonus).
  • 03-20-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Got mine finally! And actually happy with it!
    No pressure and headache. L size fits good on my almost 61cm head.

  • 03-20-2015
    ColinL
    ^^thank god! you had a lot of questions and a lot of doubt about this helmet.

    ..uh, did you digitally correct your photos? most people are posting crap they did with their smartphone, I think you tried a bit harder than that. :D
  • 03-21-2015
    Dimon Hell
    Yes, it was hard to decide, but actually because the price of that helm. :)
    In EU it's about 200. I don't think it's worth it, but it's new and pretty interesting design, so...
    Usually I take my pics with my old EOS40D, few corrections in Photoshop, maybe few effects in online instagram for more fancy look. :) I think if you posting ugly pics - you don't respect ppl, that gonna watch those.
  • 03-31-2015
    SierraOutsider
    I've been riding in the Super 2R (non-MIPS, large) and now that I have the hard pads out, I'm as comfortable in it as my old original Super. Definitely impressed with it so far.
  • 03-31-2015
    Oh My Sack!
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    Super 2r owners - check your visor screws
    Had an interesting issue happen yesterday with my 2R which was one of the first from Art's back in November. My visor was moving a bit more freely than I like so I went to snug the screw near the pivot point and the screw just twisted off with exceptionally little effort. It left the remaining threaded shaft in the insert in the helmet. I checked the opposite side and had the identical experience. No big deal, I figured. Called Bell and explained and they were going to ship out some new screws.

    Figured I'd go ahead and extract the remaining stud from the insert and made the quick realization that even though the shaft was plastic, they were essentially frozen in place and quite deep. I'm very capable with these types of issues and was about to drill and use the appropriate EZ out but then thought twice figuring if I screwed it up, I'd own it.

    Called Bell back and asked about warranty replacement. They said "no problem....send it" but since I live near Art's Cyclery, I asked if they would warranty it through Art's and they said "most definitely." Within about 30 minutes from my initial discovery, I had a brand new 2R in my hands after making the transfer at Art's!

    So....check those visor screws and maybe give them a dab of anti-seize.

    Pics to follow after I downsize them for the gallery.
  • 03-31-2015
    Oh My Sack!
    Also, I pulled the rubber pads on the new lid just like my first. I happened across some nice self adhesive type foam weather stripping so I cut some pieces and applied them in the same area the rubber pad covered Just to fill that void. Feels great when I rode today!
  • 04-01-2015
    tuffguy
    I'm rocking the MIPS version of this helmet in Medium and it's a great fit (never tried a non-mips version though). I had to remove the extra pad spacers in the chin bar, and still want to trim a tad more from them somehow since they're just a tad too tight for all day comfort. I have only done one mountain ride and decided to see how convenient it was to remove/add the chin bar based on the terrain and found it's not too troubling. I tend to take a breather when I'm about to go on an all out effort so the few seconds to pull it out of my pack aren't a waste of time and it goes on really easily even with full fingered gloves.

    Gotta say, I'm stoked on this thing. I have the "Infrared" color and it's about as obnoxious looking as it sounds and that just makes it all the more awesome for me! I was also surprised by how cool it kept my head as compared to my Giro Atmos road helmet.
  • 04-02-2015
    StevePodraza
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    Attachment 977963The super medium fit my melon perfect just received the mips red super 2r! Fits perfect! Love the color!!
  • 04-03-2015
    Steel Calf
    Received my non-mips Super 2R matte titanium / red viper today.

    Removed the preinstalled camera mount right away as it might act as a lever in case of a crash, inducing additional rotation forces on your brain. I know it's a "breakaway" but still takes some force to make it break right? Many people will probably ride the helmet with the mount installed even though they don't ever attach a camera. It feels a bit counter productive to introduce MIPS technology against these deadly rotational forces but make a produding lever a preinstalled equipment on the same move..

    I agree 100% what has been said about the rubber pads. They're hurting by produding from the overall shape of the helmet and feel like a last minute addition for whatever reason (ok Bell says the pads are there to help people who are at the lower end of the sizing sheme with "better fit" but I call that BS)

    Or maybe there is a mole from the competition working at Bell now in a secret mission to screw up their sizing?
  • 04-04-2015
    car_nut
    For anyone looking for a 2R, REI currently has a 20% off coupon. No one has these things in stock near me, so this offers an easy return if it doesn't fit and also seems to be one of the best deals currently ($160 delivered).
  • 04-04-2015
    tacticalbeard
    What coupon? I only see the member only thing with 20% off.
  • 04-04-2015
    Fluidworks
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    For anyone looking for a 2R, REI currently has a 20% off coupon. No one has these things in stock near me, so this offers an easy return if it doesn't fit and also seems to be one of the best deals currently ($160 delivered).


    Doesn't work with Bell products. I know because I tried.