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    Ha!!!! Well stated...."it must be the ball bearings, everything is ball bearings!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleR View Post
    Ha!!!! Well stated...."it must be the ball bearings, everything is ball bearings!"
    the bolt shafts that sit in the frame in two spots
    missing link pivot and upper link pivot

    just sits there, that can creak if mung gets in.

    so I bet when he disassembles and cleans and puts a smear of slickoleum
    in there on re-assembly... creak b gon
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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    That colour combo - particularly the gold!!!!!

    I would like that on my next Tantrum please!

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    what am I doing again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    what am I doing again?
    Turning right?

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    I'd guess driving that rental back to someplace you can ship those bikes home. But that's just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    I'd guess driving that rental back to someplace you can ship those bikes home. But that's just a guess.
    It was more a rhetorical question, but no such rest for the wicked just yet. I had to come down from Northstar demo to Reno for Interbike, then on to Mammoth this weekend for the Kamakazi, which was my first ever DH race in '94

    I was hanging with Alta Racks at Northstar. Most heavy duty, well thought out, versatile racks ever
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    Tantrum Shining for sale

    Hey guys I've had fun on my large Shining 29'er but I've never truly gotten on board with the newer geometry-its a bit large for me and its never quite reached the podium to replace my primary ride.

    I've put it up for sale so others can experience the Missing Link for themselves and free up a little Autumn cash for myself.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2445058/

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    Edit: Nevermind, I found the info in your ad.
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    I want it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston67 View Post
    Hey guys I've had fun on my large Shining 29'er but I've never truly gotten on board with the newer geometry-its a bit large for me and its never quite reached the podium to replace my primary ride.

    I've put it up for sale so others can experience the Missing Link for themselves and free up a little Autumn cash for myself.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2445058/
    Preston if youíre ever down in the Portland area Iíd love to give your frame a spin.

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    OG BB running and racing

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    OG BB running and racing
    Busted. Except for the running part. Look at that body language. It says "you are at 11k feet. Don't go anaerobic before you even reach the bike."

    We were on our backs, head downhill, 20 feet from the bikes for the start. Hill****inlarious.

    I wanna say watching a bunch of old geezers roll over in the dirt, but feel compelled to mention the old geezer's class was 40+.

    My son was groaning but he'll be in that class in a few......wtf. at least at Sea Otter they had 60+

    21 entrants, I think 19 made the start. All at once.

    Super fun. The guy in the Fox gear next to me knocked my bike forward a few feet while picking his up, right as I was reaching down to get it.

    On the far right, Box jersey and orange helmet, Toby Henderson, multi BMX world and former top 10 pro DH, current 57 yr old cherry picker. Somehow got him on the start. Almost died in the first turn when 2 guys in front of me got sideways at 20mph in baseballs, kitty litter and a 2 ft deep dust cloud.

    I pass them as Toby blasts by me on the inside. He was gonna pass me sooner or later, he got second, right behind the winner.

    I get into a 5 man train. The guy behind me passes me and the guy in front of me in rapid succession. I follow him thru and then repass him twice before he outpedals me at the bottom. We were all separated by a couple seconds. Wish I had some video....poorly prepared, focused on my race man,,,,,,,,

    I got 10th out of 19 finishers. Exactly midpack.

    I have to say, super fun. it was a last minute call after Interbike in Reno, which was a 3 hr drive. I didn't plan on racing till the day before. My 30tooth chainring was probably a good safety factor, last time I raced in '012 I had a 48T and went 55, vs 45 this year.

    And disappointingly, over a minute slower. Although we didn't have to get up off our back and run....

    It was kind of a little reward to myself.

    And here's the worst part. at least 20-30 of you out there are saying "what,?? I'm still waiting for stuff!!"

    I'm trying hard and I'm kinda stuck at this midpoint. It's almost a full time job taking care of existing customers. And while Eurobike/Interbike, etc, aren't "necessary", I feel like it's always the best opportunity to network within the industry, whether it's for new suspension products or components or licensing opportunities.

    And then there's the racing and riding. Well. That's mandatory. But, I didn't really need to tell you that, right? You all know by now, why I even started this in the first place.

    The same mental illness that allowed me to devise the missing link also requires that I ride. And of course, it wouldn't even work nor come to pass otherwise.

    The missing link isn't an engineering feat. It's riding. Just being a rider and then having the background to design what I needed. It starts and ends with being a rider.

    So bear with me a little bit while I sort out this phase.

    Preston67, if you haven't sold your bike, I want to buy it and have you hang on to it for demos in the area.

    Among other things.

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    Ha ha that's so awesome Brian. I think I had some Toby Henderson Tange forks on my Redline at one point as a kid. The elderly racing scene is growing a lot. Ten years ago there were 3 guys in 50+ DH now there are 16.

    Yeah just give me a shout when you have time. Had a few nibbles but I could use some cashola sooner rather than later.

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    Come out to the Brown County Epic this weekend, Oct 12-14.

    look for the RatRod Tantrumobile in the Expo area

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    Not sure this was in the original design spec, but I took my Meltdown out for a spot of bikepacking recently!
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    Unrelated, but I've also been having some issues with my XFusion. Rebound damping seems to have disappeared, and adjustment has no effect (compression lever seems ok).

    I already pulled the can to check it wasn't the negative chamber issue that Brian mentioned previously. So I guess the only answer is to put it in for a service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by welf View Post
    Not sure this was in the original design spec, but I took my Meltdown out for a spot of bikepacking recently!

    Unrelated, but I've also been having some issues with my XFusion. Rebound damping seems to have disappeared, and adjustment has no effect (compression lever seems ok).

    I already pulled the can to check it wasn't the negative chamber issue that Brian mentioned previously. So I guess the only answer is to put it in for a service?
    Hey Welfs!! that is so cool. Thanks for posting from New Zealand. Do you mind if I repost your pics and what/where do I tag you.You know, cuz I'm hip that way.

    Now that we have the niceties out of the way, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!! I think you broke the shock. Ok, just kidding, but I am curious how much extra weight and how much you had to pump up the shock.

    As for the rebound issue, it does sound dead like the negative spring. When you reset the can, make sue to take it completely off the shaft and put some shock seal grease on before reinstalling.

    Then, when re-installing, it should be extremely difficult to re-engage the first thread, due to the difficulty sliding the can on created by the negative spring. Sometimes, I have to try several times, but I'm old and weak.

    I just wanted to make sure I gave a detailed description. All through initial testing, I used that same xfusion shock. I always knew when the neg spring needed a re-seat. Rebound gone, even when maxxed out. Then I would remember.

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    Nice that the linkage is pretty compact and shoved to the back of the triangle, and that leaves good room for a bag. Compare to an HD3 or Hightower... yikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Hey Welfs!! that is so cool. Thanks for posting from New Zealand. Do you mind if I repost your pics and what/where do I tag you.You know, cuz I'm hip that way.

    Now that we have the niceties out of the way, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!! I think you broke the shock. Ok, just kidding, but I am curious how much extra weight and how much you had to pump up the shock.

    As for the rebound issue, it does sound dead like the negative spring. When you reset the can, make sue to take it completely off the shaft and put some shock seal grease on before reinstalling.

    Then, when re-installing, it should be extremely difficult to re-engage the first thread, due to the difficulty sliding the can on created by the negative spring. Sometimes, I have to try several times, but I'm old and weak.

    I just wanted to make sure I gave a detailed description. All through initial testing, I used that same xfusion shock. I always knew when the neg spring needed a re-seat. Rebound gone, even when maxxed out. Then I would remember.
    Actually that was on a visit back to the UK! We rode the Trans-Cambrian way across the middle of Wales. Reposting pictures is absolutely fine, drop me an email if you want a higher res version.

    There wasn't too much extra weight so didn't have to pump the shock up much at all. The rebound was already playing up a little though, so gradually increased pressure as we rode to give a bit firmness and avoid being buckaroo'd off!

    Just given it another strip and grease but no improvement. Definitely hard to compress and get the thread to engage when rebuilding, but couldn't feel any significant rebound damping when compressing with the can off either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
    Nice that the linkage is pretty compact and shoved to the back of the triangle, and that leaves good room for a bag. Compare to an HD3 or Hightower... yikes
    My main objective there being low and centered weight. Water bottle access and such were a side benefit.

    In the olden days, we used to talk about having an open front triangle for "portage". You know, like carrying a bike.

    I never did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welf View Post
    Actually that was on a visit back to the UK! We rode the Trans-Cambrian way across the middle of Wales. Reposting pictures is absolutely fine, drop me an email if you want a higher res version.

    There wasn't too much extra weight so didn't have to pump the shock up much at all. The rebound was already playing up a little though, so gradually increased pressure as we rode to give a bit firmness and avoid being buckaroo'd off!

    Just given it another strip and grease but no improvement. Definitely hard to compress and get the thread to engage when rebuilding, but couldn't feel any significant rebound damping when compressing with the can off either.
    Hhohohhohahahaha that's even better. A bike sent from the U.S. To New Zealand, off to a trip across Wales.

    That has to be one of the more traveled Tantrums. although I do know of some Icelandic and Tibetan Tantrum Travels.

    Apparently people are riding these bikes.

    if you can't find a service center For the shock, I may have another lying around to send you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Hhohohhohahahaha that's even better. A bike sent from the U.S. To New Zealand, off to a trip across Wales.

    That has to be one of the more traveled Tantrums. although I do know of some Icelandic and Tibetan Tantrum Travels.

    Apparently people are riding these bikes.

    if you can't find a service center For the shock, I may have another lying around to send you.
    I'll try for a local service first. Is there anything funny about the internals that they will need to know in order to do the job right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by welf View Post
    I'll try for a local service first. Is there anything funny about the internals that they will need to know in order to do the job right?
    That shock is one of the most dead simple on the planet. Basically a good copy of an RP 23. Without CTD stuff.

    My next guess is the IFP is cavitating and needs reset. Which was an rp23 issue, ipso facto. But a pretty easy fix if you have the (common shock) tools.

    Any idea how many hours?

    I might have had one of those in early testing, but since I was on the "pro" program, I probably just sent it back and they sent me a new one without even discussing it.

    But generally, those shocks have been as reliable as they are simple. For example, I don't think I've ever had one lose pressure.........unlike...some other shocks that might work a little better.....

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    I shoulda bought that used Tantrum on Pinkbike, then stuck this on https://www.pinkbike.com/news/trust-...kage-fork.html

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    So Brian, now you need to tackle the Fork market and offer a complete set.
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    Don't you think the Motion Ride fork looks more promising? https://m.pinkbike.com/news/motion-r...bike-2018.html
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    I think my Tantrum will ride better with one of these to be honest

    (stupid bike industry tuggin at my wallet all the time.... sheesh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    I shoulda bought that used Tantrum on Pinkbike, then stuck this on https://www.pinkbike.com/news/trust-...kage-fork.html
    good thing I snagged that back, being a rare L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Westholm View Post
    Don't you think the Motion Ride fork looks more promising? https://m.pinkbike.com/news/motion-r...bike-2018.html
    Hard to say which is "more" promising, although the Motion fork got a nice initial shakedown here:

    https://singletrackworld.com/2018/07...rk-first-ride/

    I checked it out at Eurobike, but didn't get a ride. Continued.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    I think my Tantrum will ride better with one of these to be honest

    (stupid bike industry tuggin at my wallet all the time.... sheesh)

    I'm kinda likin those guys. My I9 hubs are worth time.....like lap time

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    So Brian, now you need to tackle the Fork market and offer a complete set.
    I stopped making forks in '99, with this 220 mm dual disc version.

    I still have some 160 mm versions that will end up on one of my bikes soon.

    Slightly heavy. Unmatched steering, torsion and bump absorption.

    Still.

    Sorry RS, Fox and DVO, comin thru

    Will somebody send money?? DW has 25 employees and 2500 forks at $2700 each. Do the math.

    I do have 2 nickles and some loyal kickstarter customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Hard to say which is "more" promising, although the Motion fork got a nice initial shakedown here:

    https://singletrackworld.com/2018/07...rk-first-ride/

    I checked it out at Eurobike, but didn't get a ride. Continued.......
    I only know I really want a linkage fork. Almost as bad as I have wanted my Tantrum.. The left stanchion on my Diamond fork are now badly scratched. I care much less about how my bike looks then how easy the force can get damaged. And if some change can really make my bike performe and survive better, I don't care about looks at all!! No braked dive and minimal initial stiction sound good to me. The only limiting factors I can see Besides cost.. is that so many riders are stuck in an ideas on how there bikes have to look like to be accepted /not laughed at on the trails.
    And meanwhile I'm saving up for one, riders around me are starting to buy burly eBikes with 160-180mm coil shocks and 3" tyres...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Westholm View Post
    I only know I really want a linkage fork. Almost as bad as I have wanted my Tantrum.. The left stanchion on my Diamond fork are now badly scratched. I care much less about how my bike looks then how easy the force can get damaged. And if some change can really make my bike performe and survive better, I don't care about looks at all!! No braked dive and minimal initial stiction sound good to me. The only limiting factors I can see Besides cost.. is that so many riders are stuck in an ideas on how there bikes have to look like to be accepted /not laughed at on the trails.
    And meanwhile I'm saving up for one, riders around me are starting to buy burly eBikes with 160-180mm coil shocks and 3" tyres...
    if I have reservations about the Motion fork, it would be the carbon leaf spring, which they claim is good for all riders weights, with just a preload adjustment.

    First of all, that just doesn't add up, but it may be "close enough", since I'm pretty average.

    I would also worry about the longevity of the spring. Carbon in flex. Laminations in flex. Tension, no less

    The brake dive issue is also tricky. Too much anti dive means no bump absorption.

    Anti dive is pretty much anti squat in reverse.

    I didn't want anti Squat in the rear of the Missing Link for the same reasons. Anti bump.

    I've had so many layouts of forks, floating brake forks, variable adjustable anti dive...you name it...

    Only so much time in the day.

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    in the meantimeNew innovative suspension from Tantrum Cycles. Any thoughts...-fr-tri-assy-27.5-17m-vf19.0-angle.jpg

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    Riders on a Storm

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    if I have reservations about the Motion fork, it would be the carbon leaf spring, which they claim is good for all riders weights, with just a preload adjustment.

    First of all, that just doesn't add up, but it may be "close enough", since I'm pretty average.

    I would also worry about the longevity of the spring. Carbon in flex. Laminations in flex. Tension, no less

    The brake dive issue is also tricky. Too much anti dive means no bump absorption.

    Anti dive is pretty much anti squat in reverse.

    I didn't want anti Squat in the rear of the Missing Link for the same reasons. Anti bump.

    I've had so many layouts of forks, floating brake forks, variable adjustable anti dive...you name it...

    Only so much time in the day.
    Hmmm. I guess it's okay when you do it?

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    On your homepage it looks like the bike/frame can be ordered, but I have been reading most of the post here lately(there are just so many) and it seems it is not yet available. I am not in a hurry but just curious when it will actually be available?

    Are there any updates compared to first versions?

    What shock options will the frame have/do you recommend?

    Thanks!

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    I asked questions 2 months ago on the Tantrum site, crickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJohn View Post
    I asked questions 2 months ago on the Tantrum site, crickets.
    he's around, he is a one man operation trying to do the work of 15 people. going to demos, tradeshows, 15 hour flights to the frame builder, and tons of other commitments we are not privy to. keep emailing or PM'ing here or posting here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrashbarg View Post
    Hmmm. I guess it's okay when you do it?
    When I do what now?

    Generally speaking, everything is ok if I do it. That's my story and I'm stickin to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cokratex View Post
    On your homepage it looks like the bike/frame can be ordered, but I have been reading most of the post here lately(there are just so many) and it seems it is not yet available. I am not in a hurry but just curious when it will actually be available?

    Are there any updates compared to first versions?

    What shock options will the frame have/do you recommend?

    Thanks!

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    Sorry about the website. It sucks. I haven't even looked at it in months.

    I'm in Taiwan working on the next batch. At the moment, to me, nothing else matters.

    If I can't get the next batch coming in a relatively timely manner, nothing else matters.

    I can get weirdly single mindedly focused like that.

    All I can say is I'm working on having bikes early next year. But I don't even want to say that. Really trying to work on underpromising this time.

    I've given people their deposits back and stopped taking them. once I know I have bikes coming, I can get everyone up to speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJohn View Post
    I asked questions 2 months ago on the Tantrum site, crickets.
    hey John,

    Sorry. I should just shut that contact form off on the website. I don't even get those, they go to "customer service". Guess who that is? Nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    he's around, he is a one man operation trying to do the work of 15 people. going to demos, tradeshows, 15 hour flights to the frame builder, and tons of other commitments we are not privy to. keep emailing or PM'ing here or posting here
    And here in lies the harsh reality. I briefly, seriously, but very briefly considered quitting.

    I did the kickstarter. I managed to deliver. I swear the effort woulda killed 10 sane people.

    And thru it all, I have to keep riding. So when you see me posting pictures having fun and goofing off, well, if that stops, so does everything else. So that CAN'T STOP.

    For example, when I return from Taiwan next week (where I'm writing this at 5 AM all nite jet lag from 12 hrs time difference), I will spend a week in Socal recovering and riding, visiting my best friend, riding with my son and yes, even doing some demo rides.

    I'll have 3 bikes there.

    I could be returning emails or working on the website, but if I don't get to play, none of it is worth it.

    Soooo, thanks everyone for your patience, even if sometimes it's not very much. But understand that I am working as hard as my survival allows. To get more bikes.

    And we'll catch up later,,

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    And who woulda thunk a typhoon could make a hard right like that.

    Help me Mr. Wizard, get me outta here

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    Typhoons like bikes too.

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    If I make it out of here, I will be in the general Socal area with 3 bikes, from this coming weekend thru next.

    I want to ride everyday. any takers?

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    I know the answer is in here somewhere, but it is such a crazy long thread - is anyone running a 32t chainring? Any clearance issues on the chainstay?

    I'm running 30 and there is lots of room, but thinking I could go bigger and a bigger cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Sorry about the website. It sucks. I haven't even looked at it in months.

    I'm in Taiwan working on the next batch. At the moment, to me, nothing else matters.

    If I can't get the next batch coming in a relatively timely manner, nothing else matters.

    I can get weirdly single mindedly focused like that.

    All I can say is I'm working on having bikes early next year. But I don't even want to say that. Really trying to work on underpromising this time.

    I've given people their deposits back and stopped taking them. once I know I have bikes coming, I can get everyone up to speed.
    One guaranteed sale to Oz here. Waiting patiently.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    That shock is one of the most dead simple on the planet. Basically a good copy of an RP 23. Without CTD stuff.

    My next guess is the IFP is cavitating and needs reset. Which was an rp23 issue, ipso facto. But a pretty easy fix if you have the (common shock) tools.

    Any idea how many hours?

    I might have had one of those in early testing, but since I was on the "pro" program, I probably just sent it back and they sent me a new one without even discussing it.

    But generally, those shocks have been as reliable as they are simple. For example, I don't think I've ever had one lose pressure.........unlike...some other shocks that might work a little better.....
    OK, service done. They found a broken check shim in the damper that was causing the issue, which they have replaced (also the oil was quite heavily foamed). Should be all sorted, just waiting to get it back and fitted (along with a new Revive dropper for extra funsies).

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    I have a 32 on mine, no issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelfunman View Post
    I have a 32 on mine, no issues.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    One guaranteed sale to Oz here. Waiting patiently.
    getting there. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by welf View Post
    OK, service done. They found a broken check shim in the damper that was causing the issue, which they have replaced (also the oil was quite heavily foamed). Should be all sorted, just waiting to get it back and fitted (along with a new Revive dropper for extra funsies).
    glad they could sort it out. I'll keep it in mind in case it comes up with others.

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    Got a decent review on Singletracks. Decent only because it was bike park/DH oriented. This was at the Northstar demo prior to Interbike

    "the Tantrum was my favorite in terms of descending. The DVO suspension felt plush, and the bike handled exceptionally well. The Shinning offered me all the travel I needed, and easily the smoothest ride of the bunch."


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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Got a decent review on Singletracks. Decent only because it was bike park/DH oriented. This was at the Northstar demo prior to Interbike
    Equally, I don't think this rider had the right set of expectations. It'll never be as responsive as a hardtail (mostly because it's heavier than most of them), but it will (I'm led to believe) put the power down in chunk. To me, that's the point. That's why I'm interested. Tell him to ride up awful lines he'd usually avoid and I suspect you'll get a stronger endorsement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    One guaranteed sale to Oz here. Waiting patiently.
    Iíll sell you my frame if you need a large. Seriously, too small for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    getting there. thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Got a decent review on Singletracks. Decent only because it was bike park/DH oriented. This was at the Northstar demo prior to Interbike

    "the Tantrum was my favorite in terms of descending. The DVO suspension felt plush, and the bike handled exceptionally well. The Shinning offered me all the travel I needed, and easily the smoothest ride of the bunch."


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    Up for air, and back from Taiwan. The Singletracks article mentioned the new model having a slacker headtube. Any chance you get get a full set of geometry numbers for the new (esp XL) frame up? I'd love to get eyes on what the numbers are for this beast, esp. the wheelbase, reach, ETT...

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    These are cool machines.

    However I'm a big believer in considerably longer bikes, partially for handling, but mostly for comfort.

    Wishing Brian even more success and exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    Equally, I don't think this rider had the right set of expectations. It'll never be as responsive as a hardtail (mostly because it's heavier than most of them), but it will (I'm led to believe) put the power down in chunk. To me, that's the point. That's why I'm interested. Tell him to ride up awful lines he'd usually avoid and I suspect you'll get a stronger endorsement.
    I don't think his expectations were the problem. He was a lot more enthusiastic right after his ride, BUT, there was no real climbing to be had there, other than climbing the snowcat access fireroads. So, he was right to temper that for the review.

    all the tech/fun lines were DH only, which is something they should address for next year. So the demo was mostly a lift served DH party.

    I'll take "best in class". There was certainly no shortage of long travel bikes to choose from.

    Eventually, I'll get bikes to him and some other scribes for some long term tests. It hasn't been my priority as I've struggled to keep up with existing orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    Iíll sell you my frame if you need a large. Seriously, too small for me.
    been meaning to email you back about that. we at least ought to turn that into a demo bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Up for air, and back from Taiwan. The Singletracks article mentioned the new model having a slacker headtube. Any chance you get get a full set of geometry numbers for the new (esp XL) frame up? I'd love to get eyes on what the numbers are for this beast, esp. the wheelbase, reach, ETT...
    up for air.....have I ever mentioned my secret life as Wile E. Coyote?? I might just be my own, semi-indestructable cartoon character.

    Fly off on 20 hrs of flights during a the worst typhoon in history, with a sinus/ear infection. Blitz thru that for some R&R&R in Socal.

    Get in some awesome, epic riding, including a death defying descent down Mt Wilson where aforementioned sinus thing (vertigo) plus Taiwan time change jet lag conspire to steer me off the side of a cliff.

    At about 5000'. with a potential vertical fall of oh, say, you're dead 100 times, like Wile E falling into the canyon.

    I happened upon a nearby shrubbery on the way off, which were rare and loosely rooted. But enough to arrest my fall. I had my bike in one hand and the shrub in another.

    I crawled out, went back down to rescue the bike and finished the rest of the ride, another couple hours and 3k' descending, with only minor damage. The bike was fine.

    I have video of the off, then my card filled up before I crawled out. I'm probably ruining it because it will be somewhat less dramatic than it sounds.

    But THEN, all hell breaks loose and the whole state goes up in flames. I'm not in immediate danger but cell phone alerts are going off, freeways are closing, air quality alerts and people are dying.

    My flight won't happen from Burbank because it goes thru San Fran so I hot foot it down to LAX to get a flight thru chicago, which never burns, so as long as you miss the snow storms or thunderstorms, you're good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Up for air, and back from Taiwan. The Singletracks article mentioned the new model having a slacker headtube. Any chance you get get a full set of geometry numbers for the new (esp XL) frame up? I'd love to get eyes on what the numbers are for this beast, esp. the wheelbase, reach, ETT...
    oh ya, what was the question?

    Thee XL hasn't technically been "penned" yet, but I'm putting the reach at 490-500 mm.

    the trick is, and it is a trick, is to somehow get everything to work like the current setup only better. By that, I mean in terms of modularity and flexibility to be setup anywhere from a 180 mm to 140 mm setup and maintain good geo numbers for each case.

    Even at that, some people have no need for the slacker end of my angles, so I need to make sure, at lest with aid of anglesets, that I can adapt.

    So he mentioned a slacker HTA, because the white lizard I brought, with a 180 fork and -2 Works headset, was about 62ish, which is where the 2019 Shinning will be. With a 180 fork.

    My personal Shinning? I'm putting it back to a 160 mm fork to lower it and steepen it up a bit. the 180 fork is great, as is the 62HTA when it gets tough, but I THINK overall, it will be faster and more fun around here with the 160 fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    "If only mountain bike publications would quit saying such good things about how the bikes perform, Brian might actually be able to deliver more bikes."
    I think that sounds bad, but I didn't say it. On the other hand, it's rare to quote other reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    These are cool machines.

    However I'm a big believer in considerably longer bikes, partially for handling, but mostly for comfort.

    Wishing Brian even more success and exposure.
    The XL, with the 490 m reach, will have a ST length of 21", simply for the joy of mixing units. It will have better standover than the current model, but you still probably want to be at least 6" tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    been meaning to email you back about that. we at least ought to turn that into a demo bike.
    If I sell, it will be with a view to an XL Tantrum but I canít commit until I see the numbers. 490 reach is sounding well on the short side for me, and I suspect other real XL riders, if youíre steepening the seat tube.
    Regarding the demo idea, Iím all for that but Iíd have to swap out the cockpit for ordinary (sub 6í5Ē) mortals, meaning I wonít be able to ride it. I have some local guys who want to try it but the 120mm stem puts them of for some reason!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    Iíll sell you my frame if you need a large. Seriously, too small for me.
    Large is too large for me. I need a small for little small me.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    My flight won't happen from Burbank because it goes thru San Fran so I hot foot it down to LAX to get a flight thru chicago, which never burns, so as long as you miss the snow storms or thunderstorms, you're good.
    I saw a movie where they were flying from LA to the east coast and there was a snow storm in the midwest so the plane was forced to land in Montana (because that's right on the way) and all flights were grounded for two days. Never realized how much Montana looks like Telluride until I saw that movie.

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    Brian, what's the weight on the Outburst XC? Seems if you could get the XC version down to about 25#, it would be a excellent XC platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    getting there. thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by joshtee View Post
    Brian, what's the weight on the Outburst XC? Seems if you could get the XC version down to about 25#, it would be a excellent XC platform.
    I'm not sure weights that low are in the cards right now because of the tubing being used for the frame. The fact the frames are easily convertible to much longer travel means he can make one frame and build whatever bike he needs from it. It keeps production costs low for a one man show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshtee View Post
    Brian, what's the weight on the Outburst XC? Seems if you could get the XC version down to about 25#, it would be a excellent XC platform.
    man, I think I'm still climbing out of the cliff drop....Nobody, to my knowledge, has tried to build a real XC version. My bikes, generally in the 170-180 mm travel range, are about 30-31 lbs with pedals. And reasonably burly parts.

    I have a 140 m 29er that I would like to go full XC, narrow rims, light tires, etc. I'm sure I can get below 27........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    I'm not sure weights that low are in the cards right now because of the tubing being used for the frame. The fact the frames are easily convertible to much longer travel means he can make one frame and build whatever bike he needs from it. It keeps production costs low for a one man show.
    But ya, I'm not quite looking at the XC market yet, even though it would be an instant, out of the box race winner (wait, why aren't I?). Oh, ya, I like bigger travel bikes,,,,,

    I would love to do a lighter frame, just can't yet.

    The crazy thing is, I keep reading reviews of $8000 carbon wonder bikes with all the bling and they weigh 31-32, sans pedals.........You could have 2 of my bikes, lighter.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrashbarg View Post
    Never realized how much Montana looks like Telluride
    that's what they want you to think

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    Oh ya, made Best of Test '18 by a German website

    Not a bad mention from the year long test of the Shinning, 170 fr/165 rr 29er.

    The article itself is fairly light, as they did a more comprehensive review of the bike early this year.

    The challenge was that they were to use this bike as a test bed for everything else they were testing, droppers, forks, etc. So it was horsewhipped, flogged and parts swapped over and over in the course of the year.

    "Tantrum Cycles and the Missing Link are a huge success, standing their ground and proving its worth against the big ones in a full season of hard charging and being used as official testing platform by TNI-de" "the result is something very innovative and a great bike....from a one man show truly challenging the big player's bikes"

    Ya, it's an obscure German website....I'll take it. I'll ****in take it. They had the bike all year without me baby sitting. Nervous as hell.

    "it was a real pleasure to ride this bike over the course of the year"

    I let just a hint of a tear roll as I quietly sipped a fine glass of tequila in celebration

    BEST of¬* TEST‚Äô18 ‚Äď 5. Teil (Innovative Bikes)

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    that is Sofa King Wrong

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    My Xc'ish "Murtant" is 29 lbs 140 frt and 160rear...29er/27.5. Not weight weenie parts. Its quick and nimble but I might try to steepen the headangkle a bit with an angleset. Sure, I'd love it to be 25 lbs but it works great as is and the only time I notice the weight is when I pick up my light weight hardtail.
    Keep it up B!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    man, I think I'm still climbing out of the cliff drop....Nobody, to my knowledge, has tried to build a real XC version. My bikes, generally in the 170-180 mm travel range, are about 30-31 lbs with pedals. And reasonably burly parts
    I donít think a full XC is relevant but OMG, how good would a light trail version be? Even a lighter alloy incarnation with 120mm travel and 29Ē wheels. My dream bike I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    I donít think a full XC is relevant but OMG, how good would a light trail version be? Even a lighter alloy incarnation with 120mm travel and 29Ē wheels. My dream bike I reckon.
    I think it should/could be quite relevant for XC. This platform could be a legit alternative to a problematic system like Specialized's Brain or handlebar mounted remote lockouts. Having a FS XC bike with the pedaling efficiency of a HT is pretty close the holy grail for a XC race bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshtee View Post
    I think it should/could be quite relevant for XC. This platform could be a legit alternative to a problematic system like Specialized's Brain or handlebar mounted remote lockouts. Having a FS XC bike with the pedaling efficiency of a HT is pretty close the holy grail for a XC race bike.
    While I donít disagree with this, Brian has suggested before that the benefits of Missing Link might not translate fully to short travel. If another company with the resources to build a light carbon XC version were to license the design, we might get to see. I think a light trail version fits better within the Tantrum Cycles universe, after all, it allows you to run more travel without the disadvantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    While I donít disagree with this, Brian has suggested before that the benefits of Missing Link might not translate fully to short travel. If another company with the resources to build a light carbon XC version were to license the design, we might get to see. I think a light trail version fits better within the Tantrum Cycles universe, after all, it allows you to run more travel without the disadvantages.
    A 120/120 Tantrum crushing the world of 100mm bikes would warm my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshtee View Post
    I think it should/could be quite relevant for XC. This platform could be a legit alternative to a problematic system like Specialized's Brain or handlebar mounted remote lockouts. Having a FS XC bike with the pedaling efficiency of a HT is pretty close the holy grail for a XC race bike.
    Also, since I ride a Tantrum and a hardtail back to back all the time, Iím not sure I want a dually that Ďclimbs like a hardtailí; they are such different beasts. Thatís why other manufacturers add lockout switches, to simulate a hardtail, but you loose the advantages of both bikes this way; the light weight and acceleration of the hardtail and the traction of the dually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I have a 140 m 29er that I would like to go full XC, narrow rims, light tires, etc. I'm sure I can get below 27........
    I'm sure you're right.

    I've attached one potential build at 28.2 lbs with 29/2.6 tires and wheels to suit. Narrow wheels could drop 200g. Race tires, 450g. A shorter Fox fork would be 200g less. Carbon cranks, 50g less.

    So, ~26.2 lbs ready to ride. But it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

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    The article says that some 200 Tantrum Mark II are almost ready to be rolled out; Brian, a comment on that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavolpeeluva View Post
    The article says that some 200 Tantrum Mark II are almost ready to be rolled out; Brian, a comment on that....
    At the risk of overstepping, I think this is still a couple months out. Otherwise, thereís a fair amount of info on mark 2 already in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    I donít think a full XC is relevant but OMG, how good would a light trail version be? Even a lighter alloy incarnation with 120mm travel and 29Ē wheels. My dream bike I reckon.
    I owe you a super extra good deal on a G2 XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    While I donít disagree with this, Brian has suggested before that the benefits of Missing Link might not translate fully to short travel. If another company with the resources to build a light carbon XC version were to license the design, we might get to see. I think a light trail version fits better within the Tantrum Cycles universe, after all, it allows you to run more travel without the disadvantages.
    It's not that the benefits don't translate to short travel, the opposite is true. What I said is that there is no longer a downside to longer travel. In fact there is MORE advantage to longer travel due to more geo change.

    The geo change and pedaling performance will still be there in shorter travel, just less.

    Weirdly, I think a lightweight, maybe 24-25 lb-ish, 100-120 front, 140-160 rr would dominate

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavolpeeluva View Post
    The article says that some 200 Tantrum Mark II are almost ready to be rolled out; Brian, a comment on that....
    ya. Working hard. Just like when KS was going on, when you don't hear from me, it's the sound of me working.

    G2 is a few months away.

    The decision was whether to change to trunnion mount shock.

    I chose yes, but it means entirely new linkage and "forgings".

    But I'm nailing it. More later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I owe you a super extra good deal on a G2 XL
    😃 you got a final TT length for the XL yet Brian?

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    OK, time to eat my hat...

    Ive been sceptical of Brian's claims of geometry changes during climbing effort, both here and in emails to the man. My doubts were mainly due to not being able to accurately monitor the shock movement out on the trail, at least to my own satisfaction. I've always felt like the bike is doing something interesting while climbing, but I couldn't for the life of me see what it was doing! I finally got around to mounting a GoPro on the down tube to have a look at the shock while riding up some steep rocky climbs and, to cut a long story short, the results show quite unequivocally that the shock does extend well past sag under hard pedalling effort while remaining fully active. In my case the action is not quite as dramatic as in the video on the Tantrum website, possibly because I'm running more positive and negative pressure in the DVO on account of my weight, but it is obvious. Very happy to say it does just what it says on the tin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    OK, time to eat my hat...

    Ive been sceptical of Brian's claims of geometry changes during climbing effort, both here and in emails to the man. My doubts were mainly due to not being able to accurately monitor the shock movement out on the trail, at least to my own satisfaction. I've always felt like the bike is doing something interesting while climbing, but I couldn't for the life of me see what it was doing! I finally got around to mounting a GoPro on the down tube to have a look at the shock while riding up some steep rocky climbs and, to cut a long story short, the results show quite unequivocally that the shock does extend well past sag under hard pedalling effort while remaining fully active. In my case the action is not quite as dramatic as in the video on the Tantrum website, possibly because I'm running more positive and negative pressure in the DVO on account of my weight, but it is obvious. Very happy to say it does just what it says on the tin!

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    Hey @Mashlings

    "does what it says on the tin". I love it. Even though, down under, it's a classic britishism.

    You know, after designing the Kona magic link in the olden days, I got used to telling people to stop looking down at the shock while riding. the Go Pro helps immensely.

    There are 2 main factors to explain discrepancies in videos. The first is that you are running a 140 mm travel bike with a 50 mm stroke shock. My videos are all on a 160 mm travel bike with a 57 mm stroke shock.

    So you will naturally see less total change there. Which, to go back to my earlier point, is why I am advocating long travel even for an XC race bike. Simply for the geometry change advantage.

    The other factor is that you are running a DVO shock vs the Xfusion in the videos. As you correctly stated, the DVO has a much more effective neg spring, which slightly mutes some of the top out effect under max power.

    I am working on a user adjustment for this on G2.

    TT length on the XL?? not finalized, where do you want it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post

    The other factor is that you are running a DVO shock vs the Xfusion in the videos. As you correctly stated, the DVO has a much more effective neg spring, which slightly mutes some of the top out effect under max power.

    I am working on a user adjustment for this on G2.
    Just piqued my interest... love to hear about that and new geo numbers etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post

    TT length on the XL?? not finalized, where do you want it?
    Well, I'm firmly of the opinion that XL's are for tall folks not average heighters looking to get more reach. But then I would be! 725mm would be pretty sweet but I guess I'd settle for 700mm... Depends on the seat angle as at my saddle height every extra degree on that takes 15mm of the useable TT. That seems to have been forgotten by designers in the last couple of years because saddle to bar distances have gotten shorter despite increased reach figures. Its why I'm not a fan of reach as the be all end all measurement. I see lots of folks looking cramped on new bikes just because they bought a large, say, because they always rode a large. But larges aren't larges anymore. And an XL with a 480mm seat tube and 650mm TT isn't an XL, and there are plenty of them out there too!

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    Yep. I still like to see a 25.5Ē tt myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    Well, I'm firmly of the opinion that XL's are for tall folks not average heighters looking to get more reach. But then I would be! 725mm would be pretty sweet but I guess I'd settle for 700mm... Depends on the seat angle as at my saddle height every extra degree on that takes 15mm of the useable TT. That seems to have been forgotten by designers in the last couple of years because saddle to bar distances have gotten shorter despite increased reach figures. Its why I'm not a fan of reach as the be all end all measurement. I see lots of folks looking cramped on new bikes just because they bought a large, say, because they always rode a large. But larges aren't larges anymore. And an XL with a 480mm seat tube and 650mm TT isn't an XL, and there are plenty of them out there too!
    I agree. I was very surprised how many riders over 6'-3, 6'-5" that need a proper big bike. The XL will be big enough, I hope....for maybe up to 6'7"

    I'll probably bump the other 3 sizes up slightly as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatsDirt View Post
    Just piqued my interest... love to hear about that and new geo numbers etc.
    I'll be able to come up for air shortly and talk more. Gotta keep my head down this week

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    I'll probably bump the other 3 sizes up slightly as well[/QUOTE]



    If you bump up the short to 415 to 425ish reach I would consider getting another tantrum.

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    Personally I feel the way the linkage acts in keeping the bike more level then most other kinds of suspension systems, it makes up for some of the stability a longer frame gives..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I agree. I was very surprised how many riders over 6'-3, 6'-5" that need a proper big bike. The XL will be big enough, I hope....for maybe up to 6'7"
    Thats very good news. I think most tall riders spend their time trawling the geo sheets of the small builders in the hopes of finding something big enough!
    Something else that occurred to me on this subject is that because of the extra stability of these big bikes, what with the whopping wheelbase and higher rider weight keeping things planted, I'm not sure the larger sizes need super slack head angles. I'm very impressed with the handling of Tantrum Mk1, especially now I'm running it as a Shinning. I think going to a longer XL, we'll find the 66 degree head angle will be plenty slack enough for high speed stability, and slow speed handling might be compromised if you went really slack. Interested to see what others think about this.

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    While weíre all waiting for the 2nd gen frame info and staying warm this winter, I thought Iíd give my quick review. I owe Brian and this one is long overdue.

    Iím not much of a reviewer but Iíve owned a lot of frames. FWIW: Ibis mojo 3, HD3, HD, Tracer (VP, Carbine,T275), Spot Rollik, Kona process 153, Knolly Warden.

    Sizing: Iím 5í9Ē with a 33Ē inseam on a medium meltdown. I demoed the pre-production short size and having owned the medium I couldnít be more in between sizes. I could fit on either size but picked a medium. I use this bike mostly for park and the rough stuff.

    Frame quality: gorgeous blueberry powder coating. Nice grommets for the internal routing, and the action of the rear end sans shock is just so smooth. I took apart all the links to paint them black and I complemented Brian on the thought and engineering of the bolts and links alone. Thereís a lot involved. The rear triangle is very solid.

    Climbing: I think of the missing link suspension as a pendulum effect on the shock, swaying back and forth, constantly giving input..the harder you pedal the more it stiffens up. The less you pedal the softer it gets. But, thereís this fine line in that no matter how hard you pedal, it always gives in to soaking up bumps. This keeps your rear tire very planted. In fact it not only tracks well, but pedaling seems to accelerate it through the rough. My best pedaler was my Ibis mojo 3, DW link. Very firm pedaling. Traction was good. The tantrum is not only similar but goes one step further actually accelerating you through the rough. Typically I feels some designs get hung up a little but the tantrum just refuses to stall as long as you keep pedaling. Conversely the Knolly gripped extremely well but it felt like you were just dragging the rear wheel through mud. I felt like the pedaling seemed a little harder than most of my other frames (no anti squat with that Horst linkage).
    Overall the climbing is amazing with the tantrum. Iíve PRíd multiple climbs without even trying. I think itís because you just donít get hung up in technical sections. And for a 65ish HA thereís no wheel flop whatsoever. The shock stays high in the travel and the harder you pedal the higher it sits...which leads into the geo change...Iíve noticed this a few times on steep techy stuff...the more you hammer up the more the rear rises and the fork compresses...making the bike steeper and easier to climb. Itís not drastic or extreme but itís noticeable.

    Descending: prob one on the best Iíve ridden. I clearly remember descending a backcountry unkept jeep road littered with rocks and ruts. The tantrumís rear tire glued to the ground no matter the terrain. Brian has this dialed with both the linkage and the low compression tune of the Topaz. Itís pretty impressive. The Knolly felt very similar to this.
    The short stays keep the ride fun, making turns and manuals easy. The long front center keeps the bike fast, stable, and plowable
    A smaller frame may take away the stability but make it more trail bike: flickable and less plowy...I may get the chance with the Gen 2 sizing.
    Big hits...Iím using all the spacers in the positive chamber, and increased the psi to prevent the piggyback can from hitting the frame a few times. Iím only 160lbs but gonna ask Brian for a custom spacer to remedy this. But big hits and drops were remarkably plush. No problems. No harshness.

    More pros: the powder coating is awesome. Dvo shock is awesome. Frame is stiff and well built. Threaded bottom bracket. Price. Great customer service/support!

    Some cons: Almost all the cons have addressed previously in this thread. And most the cons are a direct result of making a pro:
    For instance, Heavier frame...Brian chose dh-thick tubing for the down tube. But Iíll let Brian off the hook as he also intended for aluminum pivot bolts but got steel..not his fault.
    Short, seat tube...but this gives way to the short stays.
    One thing I noticed, if I stop pedaling in the middle of a tech section the bike may sag a little possibly striking a pedal until you hammer it back up to speed.
    Brake cable routing along the down tube...easily fixed. Looks?...itís grown on me.
    Iím sure Brian has all these remedied for the 2nd Generation!
    Overall this is an amazing enduro/AM bike. It does all that Brain claims

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    Hey Brian, figured Iíd post here, as you said your contact form on your website is broken. Just wondering if all the size L frames in the second batch are spoken for, or if youíre taking deposits for a third batch.

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    @c-dale99 Thanks so much for the review.

    For sure you need the internal vol spacer. In fact, almost all of the bikes sold on KS need that spacer for aggressive jumps and drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxtheheathen View Post
    Hey Brian, figured Iíd post here, as you said your contact form on your website is broken. Just wondering if all the size L frames in the second batch are spoken for, or if youíre taking deposits for a third batch.
    Hi Max. I stopped taking deposits a long time ago. Because I didn't want the pressure of hanging on to everyone's money while working on the next batch. Pretty soon, I will have a better idea of a firm delivery date and will open up for orders.

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    In the meantime, I'm in Sedona at the MTB fest, if anyone is local

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    March is demo time in the SE and the past two weekends I've been on the Meltdown's rivals in the "enduro" segment from Transition, Norco, and Rocky Mountain. A M Meltdown has been my main ride since Dec '17 so we're well acquainted at this point.

    2 weekends ago I rode a L Patrol on the local haunt just a short pedal from the house. Instantly felt at home pedaling around the parking lot. Descending felt nice and familiar but thought it was a little rougher and more out of control through the fast and rough sections. Climbing just felt mushy compared to the shorter travel bikes I had demoed earlier in the day and the Meltdown. This one really highlighted the drawbacks of a 160mm travel bike with a more traditional linkage design. For the riding I do, with a heavy priority for the downs, I would have been fine on a Patrol if I didn't know the Meltdown existed. But the Meltdown gets me more cake in my stomach and on the plate, so why wouldn't you?

    Rode a L 29" Range the following weekend on the same local trails. What a nasty boatbike. I was way too stretched out and this particular demo bike needed some TLC. I couldn't even lock the front wheel in loose dirt on level ground which made for some butt puckering moments. Rear suspension seemed weirdly vague like there was nothing to press into but I definitely wouldn't have called it supple either. It just didn't seem to have any redeeming qualities. I know it's not fair considering I'd have sized down and there were definitely some maintenance issues, but I do know for certain a 29" Range is not for me.

    This Sunday, a couple buddies and I drove up to Racoon Mountain outside Chattanooga and I got to do a single descent on a L Slayer down High Voltage. Rear suspension seemed a little stiff in the parking lot, but I was assured that it was correct for my weight. Definitely a sweet bike. Tons of grip, more than I'm used to, but it had more tire width, in a stickier compound, and a more aggressive tread than I run day to day on the Meltdown. I definitely noticed the Slayer's rear suspension staying more active under braking. The trail I rode on is mostly down but definitely has some pedally sections. The Slayer didn't have any trouble with these sections and it really seemed almost sprightly when you're mashing. It does a great job of hiding the amount of travel it has, but it definitely doesn't have the grip under power of the Meltdown. I had a blast on the Slayer, but the trails there are so good you'd have fun on anything. Many whoops were exlaimed on both bikes.

    Admittedly,the Slayer has been in my thoughts a bit, but I'm going to try a bit more tire and a bit more can pressure in the Meltdown and see where that gets me. I'm more of a set it and forget it type guy, so I've never even tried a setup on the Meltdown similar to what I rode on the Slayer.

    Anyways, my Meltdown is still going strong and I've still got zero complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzflag View Post
    March is demo time in the SE and the past two weekends I've been on the Meltdown's rivals in the "enduro" segment from Transition, Norco, and Rocky Mountain. A M Meltdown has been my main ride since Dec '17 so we're well acquainted at this point.

    2 weekends ago I rode a L Patrol on the local haunt just a short pedal from the house. Instantly felt at home pedaling around the parking lot. Descending felt nice and familiar but thought it was a little rougher and more out of control through the fast and rough sections. Climbing just felt mushy compared to the shorter travel bikes I had demoed earlier in the day and the Meltdown. This one really highlighted the drawbacks of a 160mm travel bike with a more traditional linkage design. For the riding I do, with a heavy priority for the downs, I would have been fine on a Patrol if I didn't know the Meltdown existed. But the Meltdown gets me more cake in my stomach and on the plate, so why wouldn't you?

    Rode a L 29" Range the following weekend on the same local trails. What a nasty boatbike. I was way too stretched out and this particular demo bike needed some TLC. I couldn't even lock the front wheel in loose dirt on level ground which made for some butt puckering moments. Rear suspension seemed weirdly vague like there was nothing to press into but I definitely wouldn't have called it supple either. It just didn't seem to have any redeeming qualities. I know it's not fair considering I'd have sized down and there were definitely some maintenance issues, but I do know for certain a 29" Range is not for me.

    This Sunday, a couple buddies and I drove up to Racoon Mountain outside Chattanooga and I got to do a single descent on a L Slayer down High Voltage. Rear suspension seemed a little stiff in the parking lot, but I was assured that it was correct for my weight. Definitely a sweet bike. Tons of grip, more than I'm used to, but it had more tire width, in a stickier compound, and a more aggressive tread than I run day to day on the Meltdown. I definitely noticed the Slayer's rear suspension staying more active under braking. The trail I rode on is mostly down but definitely has some pedally sections. The Slayer didn't have any trouble with these sections and it really seemed almost sprightly when you're mashing. It does a great job of hiding the amount of travel it has, but it definitely doesn't have the grip under power of the Meltdown. I had a blast on the Slayer, but the trails there are so good you'd have fun on anything. Many whoops were exlaimed on both bikes.

    Admittedly,the Slayer has been in my thoughts a bit, but I'm going to try a bit more tire and a bit more can pressure in the Meltdown and see where that gets me. I'm more of a set it and forget it type guy, so I've never even tried a setup on the Meltdown similar to what I rode on the Slayer.

    Anyways, my Meltdown is still going strong and I've still got zero complaints.
    speaking of guys I never here from !!! Great comparison. Love it.You would also want an internal volume spacer. I'm not sure if they existed when your bike was delivered.

    It seems like only a couple months ago I was posting about Taiwan, but here I am again. This is a crucial trip for G2 production. Getting the trunnion mount shock in there was a lot of work, but worth it for packaging.

    Here's a teaser screen shot from the solidworks eviewer phone app, which is pretty cool

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    I sent an email in the middle of winter to get on the list for a custom bottoming bumper for my DVO shock. Are they in the works? Thx, Andy from Denver

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    speaking of guys I never here from !!! Great comparison. Love it.You would also want an internal volume spacer. I'm not sure if they existed when your bike was delivered.
    I'm pretty sure there are a couple in the shock already. I seem to remember opening it up to check. I need to make an order for maintenance parts from DVO anyway, so I might order another spacer kit as well to throw some more in.

    Speaking of maintenance, is there a bearing replacement list for the frame? No real issues to speak of, but a fresh start for this season would be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelfunman View Post
    I sent an email in the middle of winter to get on the list for a custom bottoming bumper for my DVO shock. Are they in the works? Thx, Andy from Denver
    What are you thinking? I do low volume urethane castings in 3D printed molds regularly and would be willing do a small run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelfunman View Post
    I sent an email in the middle of winter to get on the list for a custom bottoming bumper for my DVO shock. Are they in the works? Thx, Andy from Denver
    To everyone waiting for everything. This trip I am currently on is big. Because I can stop spending all of my time designing and start getting caught up on everything I owe everyone.

    I am currently making the Vol spacers on my lathe, when I get back after Sea Otter I can spin some more up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzflag View Post
    I'm pretty sure there are a couple in the shock already. I seem to remember opening it up to check. I need to make an order for maintenance parts from DVO anyway, so I might order another spacer kit as well to throw some more in.

    Speaking of maintenance, is there a bearing replacement list for the frame? No real issues to speak of, but a fresh start for this season would be nice.



    What are you thinking? I do low volume urethane castings in 3D printed molds regularly and would be willing do a small run.
    I'm not talking about the white bands in the outer can. I am talking about a solid chunk inside

    Is this something you could do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I'm not talking about the white bands in the outer can. I am talking about a solid chunk inside

    Is this something you could do?

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    I know I'm not the person to answer this but I would have to assume, based off what I know of the technology, that anyone with a serious 3D printer set up could knock those out much more efficiently than turning them on a lathe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    I'm not talking about the white bands in the outer can. I am talking about a solid chunk inside

    Is this something you could do?
    Oh, I donít remember seeing something like that before. Let me double check.

    From first glance that looks easy enough. What material are you using?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    I know I'm not the person to answer this but I would have to assume, based off what I know of the technology, that anyone with a serious 3D printer set up could knock those out much more efficiently than turning them on a lathe.

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    Maybe not more efficiently but we could definitely decentralize the time and labor costs, which might be the most important advantage right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    I know I'm not the person to answer this but I would have to assume, based off what I know of the technology, that anyone with a serious 3D printer set up could knock those out much more efficiently than turning them on a lathe.

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    Actually, they are pretty quick and easy. Probably about 2 minutes in turning and 3 minutes in cutting the slot. And that's because I'm slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzflag View Post
    Oh, I donít remember seeing something like that before. Let me double check.

    From first glance that looks easy enough. What material are you using?



    Maybe not more efficiently but we could definitely decentralize the time and labor costs, which might be the most important advantage right now.
    You might have a small, modified Fox spacer in there, but I'm not sure I even had those yet..

    I just used a generic black nylon. There is no structural requirement at all.

    "Decentralize"....ya, that is it. At the moment, 100% of all Tantrum Cycles activity is centralized on....me.

    The next batch will help. I will be able to actually pay a few people to help out. Might even turn into an actual bike company dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzflag View Post

    Maybe not more efficiently but we could definitely decentralize the time and labor costs, which might be the most important advantage right now.

    3d idea scales outward
    one image file, anyone can print it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    You might have a small, modified Fox spacer in there, but I'm not sure I even had those yet..

    I just used a generic black nylon. There is no structural requirement at all.

    "Decentralize"....ya, that is it. At the moment, 100% of all Tantrum Cycles activity is centralized on....me.

    The next batch will help. I will be able to actually pay a few people to help out. Might even turn into an actual bike company dammit.
    I still feel bad ( a little bit ) about jonesing for bike #14 from you. for craps sake the first time I took apart the linkage to clean out dirt I was saying...damn there is a lot to this and Brian has to do 50 of these ??? holy hell how can one guy do all this. sure you can do it blindfolded but you really cannot speed this up too much

    and now you gotta spit out 200 rev 2's ? (and could likely sell 50,000 of these if some bike genie made them appear)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Actually, they are pretty quick and easy. Probably about 2 minutes in turning and 3 minutes in cutting the slot. And that's because I'm slow.
    I can see that. I guess I'm coming at from a process efficieny standpoint where there is a single point bottleneck vs several machines running at once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    You might have a small, modified Fox spacer in there, but I'm not sure I even had those yet..

    I just used a generic black nylon. There is no structural requirement at all.

    "Decentralize"....ya, that is it. At the moment, 100% of all Tantrum Cycles activity is centralized on....me.

    The next batch will help. I will be able to actually pay a few people to help out. Might even turn into an actual bike company dammit.
    I've got leftover rolls of black nylon filament coming out the wazoo. If you're interested, send me the part file and I'll print one for myself and anyone else who wants one.

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    I'll take one. don't think will need it but if you end up making one and it fits in topaz T3 will want to have it to test. I don't jump as much as would demand one, but might want to start.....
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    Fox volume spacer

    Takes a couple of minutes to modify Fox spacer. Makes a HUGE difference to control bottoming resistance.

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    if I have reservations about the Motion fork, it would be the carbon leaf spring, which they claim is good for all riders weights, with just a preload adjustment.

    First of all, that just doesn't add up, but it may be "close enough", since I'm pretty average.

    I would also worry about the longevity of the spring. Carbon in flex. Laminations in flex. Tension, no less

    The brake dive issue is also tricky. Too much anti dive means no bump absorption.

    Anti dive is pretty much anti squat in reverse.

    I didn't want anti Squat in the rear of the Missing Link for the same reasons. Anti bump.

    I've had so many layouts of forks, floating brake forks, variable adjustable anti dive...you name it...

    Only so much time in the day.
    So, did you try this fork ?
    What do you think of it ?

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    Ahhh, thx I have some FOX spacers somewhere... 🤔

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    Visually, the frame and fork (and character holding the bike) really complement each other. IMO


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    The looks of the future!

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    Question for Brian...

    I'm turning 50 in July. Is there any chance that date may be close to a release date for a version 2? I'm ok if it's not, I just need to plan my desirable present list.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    Question for Brian...

    I'm turning 50 in July. Is there any chance that date may be close to a release date for a version 2? I'm ok if it's not, I just need to plan my desirable present list.
    Nice. I see what you did there!

    Iím turning 50 in October Brian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    Question for Brian...

    I'm turning 50 in July. Is there any chance that date may be close to a release date for a version 2? I'm ok if it's not, I just need to plan my desirable present list.
    hey everyone I had to take a bit of downtime after Sea Otter for some minor foot surgery to remove a bone spur. No big deal, something about a lifetime of riding, blahblahblah. I will be able to play toe piano as good as ever.

    Also waiting for definitive dates. As we all know from last time, it's not a fast process, but at least the process has started. I'm thinking July is optimistic.

    I will be able to turn loose of a few demo bikes and frames soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Also waiting for definitive dates. As we all know from last time, it's not a fast process, but at least the process has started. I'm thinking July is optimistic.
    Hi Brian,

    Got any geo numbers locked in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    Hi Brian,

    Got any geo numbers locked in?

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    Man, you are ON IT. I appreciate it. I'll get my shit together soon and post some complete tables, but I have added an XL with 512 mm reach and 74.8 STA. HOPEFULLY big enough for some 6'5" guys.

    THe other sizes grow about 10 mm in reach as well

    more later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    Man, you are ON IT. I appreciate it. I'll get my shit together soon and post some complete tables, but I have added an XL with 512 mm reach and 74.8 STA. HOPEFULLY big enough for some 6'5" guys.

    THe other sizes grow about 10 mm in reach as well

    more later.
    If thatís the effective seat angle that would, by my dodgy calculations, leave the XL with a top tube of about 690mm. That sound correct?

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    Yes, gonna want to see those geo numbers so I can start figuring how many of which size I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    hey everyone I had to take a bit of downtime after Sea Otter for some minor foot surgery to remove a bone spur. No big deal, something about a lifetime of riding, blahblahblah. I will be able to play toe piano as good as ever.

    Also waiting for definitive dates. As we all know from last time, it's not a fast process, but at least the process has started. I'm thinking July is optimistic.

    I will be able to turn loose of a few demo bikes and frames soon
    All good. Got a backup plan. Cheers
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    All good. Got a backup plan. Cheers
    And I hate that you have to have a back-up plan. The harsh reality is that transitioning from a kickstarter effort to an actual bike company has been a slow process.

    But I aM making progress, frames in the pipeline, I have a dedicated building and some help lined up once the frames arrive, because then I will have money to pay said help.

    Because if 200 frames show up on my doorstep and it's still just me building everything.....But I have decided to take care of the assembly here (just not personally). It was really worth it from a QC point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    And I hate that you have to have a back-up plan. The harsh reality is that transitioning from a kickstarter effort to an actual bike company has been a slow process.

    But I aM making progress, frames in the pipeline, I have a dedicated building and some help lined up once the frames arrive, because then I will have money to pay said help.

    Because if 200 frames show up on my doorstep and it's still just me building everything.....But I have decided to take care of the assembly here (just not personally). It was really worth it from a QC point of view.
    There's no pressure to rush things for me. I totally get your situation. I've waited 45 years for the perfect bike. I'd rather wait a little longer for something that is spot on. My back-up plan is no downer either.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    And I hate that you have to have a back-up plan. The harsh reality is that transitioning from a kickstarter effort to an actual bike company has been a slow process.

    But I aM making progress, frames in the pipeline, I have a dedicated building and some help lined up once the frames arrive, because then I will have money to pay said help.

    Because if 200 frames show up on my doorstep and it's still just me building everything.....But I have decided to take care of the assembly here (just not personally). It was really worth it from a QC point of view.
    I donít have a backup plan. I bought a new carbon short travel 29er. I still want a big bike that says Tantrum on it. But, Iíll probably have to catch up with you in July anyhow as, my schedule has been mad, and will be at least til then. Save one of those XLís for me.

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    Takes a couple of minutes to modify Fox spacer. Makes a HUGE difference to control bottoming resistance.
    What size fox one did you modify? and what needs to be modified? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TantrumCycles View Post
    But I aM making progress, frames in the pipeline, I have a dedicated building and some help lined up once the frames arrive, because then I will have money to pay said help.
    Sounds great. What you are doing is not easy so congrats on the progress to date and good luck with the next phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keo View Post
    What size fox one did you modify? and what needs to be modified? Thanks.
    I used the largest spacer in mine. Had to run a countersink on bottom side of spacer to fit nicely on the shaft.

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    In lack of spacer puck, I just filled 20ml of 7.5w oil in the shock to see how that will act as volume reducer.
    Just bouncing around around the house it feels good. It definitely makes the spring feel more progressive.
    Any toughts around this? What could go wrong?
    I'm on call at fire dept for another week so no chanse to try it on any drops right now..
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    Well to answer myself after opening up the sleeve today. About 1/3 of the oil end up in the negative chamber. The effect was still there. And after removing most of the oil from both chambers and going out riding again it was clear it had an positive effect on bottoming out.

    Next test on alternatives to costly or hard to get volume reducers is Sugru! The legendary moldabel glue putty that can be used to repair almost anything not getting warmer then +180įc

    Just need to find out how many grams of Sugru is needed for 1 cubic inch of volume reduction...

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    be careful, many fork and shock maintenance routines involve isopropyl alcohol to clean, and sugru is not resistant to alcohols. so yank that puppy out before hitting it with alcohol if you do a teardown cleanup routine
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    You could also fab up your own spacer from RTV rubber, which is alcohol resistant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunnar Westholm View Post
    Next test on alternatives to costly or hard to get volume reducers is Sugru!
    How about a 3D printed spacer? Lots of hobby level printers around these days. You just need to get the dimensions of the stock spacer.
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    I plan to install the Sugru so it should be easily removed.
    The aircan is oily after my previous experiment, and that should avoid the Sugru from sticking to the inner "roof" of the aircan.
    I just have to remember to shape it close around shaft to avoid it blocking the port into the outer chamber.. I think I will manage that.
    But I will probably forget all about mentioned heads-up about alcohols agent l when it's time for next cervice! :-D




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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How about a 3D printed spacer? Lots of hobby level printers around these days. You just need to get the dimensions of the stock spacer.
    Quote Originally Posted by lovemonkey View Post
    You could also fab up your own spacer from RTV rubber, which is alcohol resistant.

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    No 3D printer around as I know of. But I've been planning to get some liquid polyurethane to mold some engine mounts and other bushings to my car.

    I guess polyurethane should do an equally good job as RTV for making volume spacers?

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    Poly should be ok, but I don't know how it holds up to oils and solvents.

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    get a cheap plastic skateboard wheel and hog it/file it down to fit...already has a center hole
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    get a cheap plastic skateboard wheel and hog it/file it down to fit...already has a center hole
    Anyone contacted DVO, surely this is their thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashlings View Post
    Anyone contacted DVO, surely this is their thing?
    Norwegian DVO rep had no tokens/spacers available and I have been postponing this for far too long.

    I think later bikes was delivered with internal spacers. And I know Brian can provide for others in need. Postal delivery to Norway can take weeks and a long wait compared to scavenging the kids toy boxes that proved to be well worth the effort. A set of kids dragrace toy/game wheels, and "Luigi" was the winner with perfect diameter to drop right in. I guess he's about 0.8 to 1.0 cubic inch..

    Now I expect I might have to remove some volume bands. I will wait with that until I get to do some 10feet drops next week unless it feels far to stiff on the trails with ~30% sag..

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    ^^^Nice! You could measure their volume via displacement if so desired. What material are they? Solid or stiff closed cell foam would be best. Soft closed cell foam will compress under pressure which will lessen their effect. Open cell foam might just let the air in and thru resulting in little effect.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    ^^^Nice! You could measure their volume via displacement if so desired. What material are they? Solid or stiff closed cell foam would be best. Soft closed cell foam will compress under pressure which will lessen their effect. Open cell foam might just let the air in and thru resulting in little effect.
    I wonder if chopping up a Formula Neopos foam insert would work, I guess if they are roughly the right diameter it might be worth a go. I run Formula forks on two bikes so might order some Neopos anyway. Not that I do big drops but I do blow through travel much more often on the Tantrum.

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    ^^^ interesting idea. I suspect that foam has a consistency chosen to work best at fork pressures. It might be too soft and work differently at shock pressures.
    Do the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    ^^^Nice! You could measure their volume via displacement if so desired. What material are they? Solid or stiff closed cell foam would be best. Soft closed cell foam will compress under pressure which will lessen their effect. Open cell foam might just let the air in and thru resulting in little effect.
    The yellow toy tire seems to be out of some kind of silicon rubber compound. No cells so won't compress much..

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    Are they back in stock?

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    I know Brian have had a bit of a thought time lately. I really hope things will open up and get going soon for him and Tantrum. His brainchild really deserves that! And my son have now outgrown me, so we need another bike...

    Meanwhile I can tell about my minor technical ****up...

    In my search for the source of creaking sound after very rough riding, I managed to miss thread the rear shock mount bolt since in lack of time stupidly choose to not remove the upper shock mount bolt. Retightening caused the rest of threads to pull out.

    Solved it with Helicoil threads with no problem.

    The following day Murphy's law struck me and I overload the threads in the front shock mount bolt hole since the creaking was not gone.

    Helicoiling this hole did not go well since the threadbit this time just grinded the hole larger. Found out agterwards it was due to I managed to pick a 6mm drill bit instead of the _6,2mm_ included in the M6 helicoil kit to make the thread bit grip and cut clean threads. I know I've been using 6mm befor with good success, but it's harder to keep a steady press when working inside a frame triangle.

    Lucky a standard M6 T-nut fits fine when grinded to correct, And that I could get from work even on a Sunday so I did only suffer half a day of downtime.

    Now the bike is quite again haha. And it feels very good to have steel threads holding the shock.

    And above all. Thank you Brian for the open design of the lower shock mount which is the reason I managed to fix this without a expensive compact blind-nut tool and compact/angle drill. This reasonably easy fix wold not have been possible on most other adjustable shock mount frame designs.

    I love my bike!
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    Been a while without news, hope everything is alright!

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    I'm curious what might be going on from the gravel bike side too since the TV show

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    So is there a geo chart out? My bike fit requires 420mm or shorter seat tube and 410 to 460mm reach, preferably 430-450 and with a shorter seat tube, since I need to be able to slam a 150mm dropper in a 420mm seat tube and that's not always possible with kinked seat tubes or ones with pivots through them. The shorter the seat tube the longer the dropper I can run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leafy1 View Post
    So is there a geo chart out?
    From their website.

    New innovative suspension from Tantrum Cycles. Any thoughts...-t-cycles.jpg

    I haven't heard anything about new bikes. There could be an update before more are available.
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    Ah OK, that doesn't show up anywhere on the mobile version of the site, I forgot to check desktop mode.

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    That's the old geo chart. Likely it will be similar for the new bikes but I believe there is a change in the seatpost to allow deeper droppers. But been pretty quiet lately.

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    Hoping everything's ok in Brian's world.
    I see hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    Hoping everything's ok in Brian's world.
    Yes, a bit odd that it has been so quiet for so long. I do sincerely hope everything is ok with Brian.

    What might be happening, thinking on the positive side, is that he has a licensing deal and can't speak about it. Although you'd think the company involved wouldn't want to lose any momentum Brian has built, but on the other hand, presumably they would be big enough that it wouldn't really matter that much.

    As those of you who are lucky enough to own a Tantrum know, Brian's claims were completely true and the suspension design on this bike is so far and away better than anything else. I hope it survives to round 2 because I need a larger size!

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    I did email with Brian a few weeks ago and he should be posting an update soon. Yes, his suspension design is a game changer!

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    Is Brian ok? Has anyone heard from him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Is Brian ok? Has anyone heard from him?
    Yeah, he's ok. He's just got all that stuff life throws at you while you're trying to do something you love going on. I talked to him the other day.

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    Good to hear Brian is hanging in there 'ok' ... been meaning to get in touch and let him know I'm still rooting for him with all this - recently had to sell a bike and was between my Commencal meta AM V4 and the Tant... who am I kidding it wasn't even a decision, Meta had to go! Despite this stupid illness that has stopped me from getting out riding these last few years I love the Tantrum - on the very rare short rides I've managed it's the best performing bike I've ever used ... my brother came to visit and knowing none of the back story, I give him the bike and after a short test run he immediately starts praising it in exactly the same way all of us have

    You're a genius Brian - all the best mate, looking forward to the next incarnation.

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