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    Most underrated bikes

    Some bikes get endless hype like the Ripmo, SB130, Nomad, Following, etc. While these bikes rip and deserve the hype, I知 wondering what bikes people think are underrated or under the radar in the trail/enduro category?


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    Any 29+ Lenz Sport
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    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    I've always felt that Kona is a little underappreciated.

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    It's probably more the rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    I've always felt that Kona is a little underappreciated.
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    Maybe it's too new, but I am surprised by the lack of press on the 2019 update of the Norco fluid FS.
    The bike is basically a transition smuggler with 2.6" tire clearance and the base complete bike is the same price as the smuggler frame-only. Insane!
    They don't list a frame only option on the website but I'm going to ask my local dealer. Seems like a sick bike at a really impressive price point.

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    I'm not sure its an underrated bike.

    But my slayer is goddamn sensational.
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    Whyte T-130!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah View Post
    I've always felt that Kona is a little underappreciated.
    I agree about Kona. My first good bike was a Hei Hei Trail. They seem to be a little under the radar.

    But my current bike is even less talked about... Banshee Phantom. Of the short travel 29ers it gets compared to, it gets way less coverage than bikes like Kona Process 111, Transition Smuggler, even Guerrilla Gravity Trail Pistol. Seriously, there hasn't been any mainstream press on the Phantom since like early 2017, and that was a writeup done on a 2016 model before the frame was updated. Meanwhile Transition Smuggler gets covered like it's a celebrity.

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    The Phantom is one of my favorite bikes of all time. Not everyone can fathom what a war machine a bike with 105mm of travel can be.
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    Canfield Riot/Toir

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Canfield Riot/Toir
    Climbs better than it should, descends even better. Years before everyone else lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Canfield Riot/Toir
    There's no doubt in my mind that the Riot/Toir is an awesome bike. Riding buddy had one and I'm confused, angry and disappointed that he let it go in favor of something else. I totally envied him for that bike. In spite of this I'm not sure I'd call the Riot/Toir underrated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    The Phantom is one of my favorite bikes of all time. Not everyone can fathom what a war machine a bike with 105mm of travel can be.
    I have nothing to add to this statement... just wanted to quote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    The Phantom is one of my favorite bikes of all time. Not everyone can fathom what a war machine a bike with 105mm of travel can be.
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    I have nothing to add to this statement... just wanted to quote it.
    This is the type of stuff that makes me super curious. How much better can it handle a rock garden at speed, or extended choppy downhills, or big drops compared to my Kona Hei Hei CR/DL at 100/120 with a Fox 34?

    I want to try one and see for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    This is the type of stuff that makes me super curious. How much better can it handle a rock garden at speed, or extended choppy downhills, or big drops compared to my Kona Hei Hei CR/DL at 100/120 with a Fox 34?

    I want to try one and see for myself.
    The Banshee frame is a bit slacker, probably stiffer, certainly heavier... I think you'd also find the suspensions behave very differently between the two bikes, KS Link on one and Fuse IS on the other.

    I had a Hei Hei Trail (aluminum) a couple years ago, when it was still 100/120. The marketing literature calls the Fuse IS suspension "efficient" and "snappy", and that's kind of how I remember it. It relies in part on flex in the rear triangle, right?

    The KS Link on the other hand floats on sealed ball bearings and feels deep and so smooth. Of course, I do have a better shock than I did on the Kona. But the suspension design should be better suited to taking big hits and smoothing things out.

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    That would be those bikes with 26" wheels...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samo831 View Post
    I知 wondering what bikes people think are underrated or under the radar in the trail/enduro category?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    The bike in your garage already.
    Ha ha, Vik. There's a difference between "underused" and "underrated."

    Several of the underused bikes in my garage are (or should I say were) quite well known and well rated in their day but they're not used much anymore. Nor should they be when compared to the bikes I ride today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    That would be those bikes with 26" wheels...
    Haha, gotta give a shout out to the underrated kids bikes and dirt jumpers out there! :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Canfield Riot/Toir
    I never felt anything from Canfield was underrated. They always seemed to get good reviews and there was always plenty of chatter about the bikes.

    The Yelli Screamy was a huge success and may have been one of the first readily available aggressive geo hardtails. It certainly thrust Canfield into the view of the average rider. The same could be said for the Riot, and to a lesser degree, the Nimble9 and EPO.

    Hopefully they make a comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyWatson View Post
    Maybe it's too new, but I am surprised by the lack of press on the 2019 update of the Norco fluid FS.
    The bike is basically a transition smuggler with 2.6" tire clearance and the base complete bike is the same price as the smuggler frame-only. Insane!
    They don't list a frame only option on the website but I'm going to ask my local dealer. Seems like a sick bike at a really impressive price point.
    My first thought was a Norco as well! In this case, the Torrent FS 1. Spank rims? DVO? and $2999? Seriously?

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    Just any four-bar with a nice shock is going to be the basis for an awesome bike. With these advanced shocks out there, the fancy patented suspension designs are totally unnecessary.

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    LOL...Very underappreciated bike and way ahead of it's time because...well...there was no such thing as mountain biking. Didn't have to think about geo, suspension, tubeless, clips, discs, droppers, helmets, etc. Just lather up with bug spray and ride it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    My first thought was a Norco as well! In this case, the Torrent FS 1. Spank rims? DVO? and $2999? Seriously?

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    Also, shout out to Kona and NS Bikes.
    Now Norco is using DVO suspension?

    That's very cool!
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    Generation 1 Intense Carbine 29. 160F/140R long low and slack but also pretty darn light. New C29 is too heavy and DH specific for me, but my 2014 C29 hits the sweet spot IMO. It was ahead of its time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I never felt anything from Canfield was underrated. They always seemed to get good reviews and there was always plenty of chatter about the bikes.

    The Yelli Screamy was a huge success and may have been one of the first readily available aggressive geo hardtails. It certainly thrust Canfield into the view of the average rider. The same could be said for the Riot, and to a lesser degree, the Nimble9 and EPO.

    Hopefully they make a comeback.
    Love my 2012 Yelling. Is Canfield on hard times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    My first thought was a Norco as well! In this case, the Torrent FS 1. Spank rims? DVO? and $2999? Seriously?

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    Also, shout out to Kona and NS Bikes.
    That is seriously impressive spec for $3k! Same price as Transition's NX builds but waaay better parts. I can't wrap my brain around how it costs less than the Sight A2. I assume it could also run 29" wheels if plus tires aren't your thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMCDan View Post
    That is seriously impressive spec for $3k! Same price as Transition's NX builds but waaay better parts. I can't wrap my brain around how it costs less than the Sight A2. I assume it could also run 29" wheels if plus tires aren't your thing.
    Crazy, right?! My LBS recently became a Norco dealer; the first one in the area. So naturally, I was curious and started looking at their website. When I found this bike, I swear, I stopped, and looked around, like, is this price a typo? How can people not know about this bike? Why are there no reviews??? You can even buy the frame only for $1599!
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    NX is spec'd on $400 department store bikes.

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    Although two of my riding buddies also ride Turner's, Id have to say Turner bikes. Arguably one of the best riding and built bikes, you hardly see them or hear anyone comment on them on this site. The prices of a Turner is usually less than that of their competitors and a fully loaded one is definitely a lot less than a fully loaded Specialized or other top end bikes.

    It is cool that you dont see them as much as you see Intense or Santa Cruz though
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    I love my Norco Sight and it is one of the best bikes I've ever ridden, but it gets very little attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Pinche View Post
    I love my Norco Sight and it is one of the best bikes I've ever ridden, but it gets very little attention.

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    I like Sights too. A lot.

    The Sight won my head to head cage match last spring when I went AWOL from work and spent days demoing bikes with a buddy. I was shocked when the Sight emerged on top, ahead of all the well known heavyweights (IMHO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    My first thought was a Norco as well! In this case, the Torrent FS 1. Spank rims? DVO? and $2999? Seriously?

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    Also, shout out to Kona and NS Bikes.
    That Torrent is a super kick ass bike. DVO is killer. I have been eyeing up that bike for a while now...

    I am a big Kona fan as well. I recently bought a steel Honzo, which I stripped right down and started over again. I was very unimpressed with the component spec. I find Kona's component spec to suck on pretty much every bike I am interested in from them these days. Doesn't stop me from buying them though. I just have to exercise a little post-purchase self-help.

    There are just SO MANY incredible bikes out there. I would like to buy about a dozen of them. RIGHT NOW...starting with a brand new GG Smash (perhaps another brand that flies a little under the radar)...

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    Anyone say Devinci yet? Troy, Spartan. Made in Canada, lifetime warranty. I've got my eye on a Django...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
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    Not a well-known brand, but IMO Spot's pricing puts them out of the "underrated" discussion. Cheaper than Yeti, et al., but certainly not cheap.

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    Honestly, I think the hidden gems have been gone since mid 2000.

    Back then everything pedaled kind of mushy, but you could get a weird cheap DW link iron horse! Or a surprisingly good pedaling mongoose or GT. Marin did a short run of an unusually good dual link bike.

    These days, a bike working great is more the standard than the exemption. We've figured out how to dial in antisquat, and now everything from single pivots to multilinks pedal well and have solid geometry.

    Everyones got a favorite, but the gap between underdogs and premium stuff has shrunk considerably.

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    I reckon the OG Transition Scout was brilliant and probably a better all-rounder than the Patrol unless you were racing EWS-level courses.

    Also the pre-boost Giant Reign (before they messed up the seat angle) was a fantastic all-rounder and really well priced.

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    Second on the Turners:

    Turner RFX: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel
    Turner Flux: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel

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    Alchemy Arktos: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel
    Pivot Trail 429: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...-45-yeti-sb100

    The Fuji Auric was also pretty good. I would take one over a Specialized Stumpjumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    Second on the Turners:

    Turner RFX: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel
    Turner Flux: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel

    Here's some other bikes that I've enjoyed riding:

    Alchemy Arktos: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel
    Pivot Trail 429: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...-45-yeti-sb100

    The Fuji Auric was also pretty good. I would take one over a Specialized Stumpjumper.

    Fuji Auric: https://www.dirtmerchantbikes.com/sp...mm-rear-travel
    No offence but isn稚 Turner all but dead? Is there a frame design post 2016? I actually thought DT had basically closed down shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Honestly, I think the hidden gems have been gone since mid 2000.

    Back then everything pedaled kind of mushy, but you could get a weird cheap DW link iron horse! Or a surprisingly good pedaling mongoose or GT. Marin did a short run of an unusually good dual link bike.

    These days, a bike working great is more the standard than the exemption. We've figured out how to dial in antisquat, and now everything from single pivots to multilinks pedal well and have solid geometry.

    Everyones got a favorite, but the gap between underdogs and premium stuff has shrunk considerably.
    I actually think this makes it more likely that there are really underrated bikes out there. Given that most bikes perform really well these days, there is a better chance that a really well-performing bike will be kind of missed in favor of other (also really well performing) options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samo831 View Post
    Some bikes get endless hype like the Ripmo, SB130, Nomad, Following, etc. While these bikes rip and deserve the hype, I知 wondering what bikes people think are underrated or under the radar in the trail/enduro category?


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    To me, the level of hype and rating are are different metrics. A few examples:

    Canfield Bros: Under-hyped. Not underrated

    Yeti: Hyper hyped. Not underrated

    Kona: Some hype. Underrated

    Trek: No hype. Underrated

    Brand XYZ: Over- hyped. Overrated (Not naming brands- I'm not in the mood for a flame war. Get off my lawn)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    No offence but isn稚 Turner all but dead? Is there a frame design post 2016? I actually thought DT had basically closed down shop.

    Dave seems focused on cross and gravel these days. Turner Bikes glory days do seem over but, I will always be a fan. Dave and his company have amazing customer service.

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    Based on where I live,

    Kona and Rocky Mountain doesn't get much appreciation. People are so crazy with Santa Cruz , Niner, Trek, and Giant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Dave seems focused on cross and gravel these days. Turner Bikes glory days do seem over but, I will always be a fan. Dave and his company have amazing customer service.

    https://www.turnerbikes.com/bikes/cy...85968017578125

    https://www.turnerbikes.com/bikes/cy...mited-edition/
    I would say that the Calgary/Canmore mountain bike market is second largest in all of Canada. It may even be the largest.

    There hasn稚 been a Turner dealer here since forever. I have not seen so much as a single Turner bike on the trail/road/gravel since forever. Maybe it痴 a regional thing or maybe I am just not noticing them out in the wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    No offence but isn稚 Turner all but dead? Is there a frame design post 2016? I actually thought DT had basically closed down shop.
    Yes, nothing new recently, but I still like the handling and climbing ability of the RFX.
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    Ventana always seemed underrated. They appear to have taken the same path as Turner though. If they made a few updates to the suspension bikes, they could kill it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Ventana always seemed underrated. They appear to have taken the same path as Turner though. If they made a few updates to the suspension bikes, they could kill it.
    Agreed. It's funny I think I have a pretty good handle on what's out there in the MTB world and Ventana completely flew under my radar until recently.

    I've read mostly excellent things about the company and bikes but I agree they need to update some stuff, including the website that shows bikes with QR axles even though the text says modern TA's are available.

    Geometry could use a serious update too. Frankly I'm fine with the single pivot suspension for my purposes but geo needs to be right.
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    Pivot Switchblade. The Firebird gets all the hype but is too much bike for most riders.

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    [QUOTE=Spectre;14019658]Yes, nothing new recently, but I still like the handling and climbing ability of the RFX.

    I bought a RFX last year, replacing my XC/ trail orientated Santa Cruz 5010.
    While there was nothing wrong with the SC, I just wanted something more DH/ bike park capable that can also climb. I have not been disappointed.
    My RFX is used not only for some park stuff, I use it for long, 35+ mile, 4000'+ xc type rides also. The RFX probably weighs somewhere close to 30lbs, but it rides like something much lighter, closer to the 25lbs of the SC, with better climbing and descending ability.

    I know DT well, known him since the early 90's. He has seemed to back away some from his mountain bikes a bit for the time being, but is still very passionate about bikes.
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    I run into Dave all the time in my racing. Enough so that he has taken to heckling me as I go by, maybe because I'm not racing his bike.

    He spends a lot of time on his CX bike now and seems to love it. Passion is still there obviously as he rides all the time. So I'm guessing instead of trying to fight a losing battle with the big corporations, he just focuses on his passion instead.

    I was going to go with a Turner, but the deal I got on my current XC bike was too good to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    I like Sights too. A lot.

    The Sight won my head to head cage match last spring when I went AWOL from work and spent days demoing bikes with a buddy. I was shocked when the Sight emerged on top, ahead of all the well known heavyweights (IMHO).
    Tried out quite a few and ended up with a Sight this year too. Best bang for the buck on a really rideable trail bike that is a blast on the downhill stuff. Really like riding this one...

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    Agreed. Diamondbacks in general are decent products.

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    I'll say one thing, the proliferation of bike manufacturers is dizzying. I realize it's a high-margin product, especially when you're selling toys to wealthy yuppies at exorbitant prices, but at some point you'd think entrepreneurs would realize what a crowded product space it is and therefore how hard it is (should be?) to make money with all that competition.

    But I guess in the end, if people are willing to pay $5-8k for something because it's "boutique" and "cool" when they could get the same product for thousands less from a more mainstream source or maybe one slightly less "cool," why not throw your hat into the ring and see if you can generate some buzz. If you can achieve the status of the "it" bike for a year, you can charge whatever you want (see e.g. Santa Cruz, Pivot, Ibis).

    So anyway, back to thread topic - the GT force seems underrated (and relatively inexpensive).

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    The most underrated bike is that crappy Walmart MTB that gets a kid into the sport. I really do believe that Trek and Specialized should offer a bike under $200 for kids 4-10.

    That said, I will throw Fezzari into the ring.
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    Is Fezzari underrated, or just too new in the market? ^^

    Most reviews I've seen are very positive.
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    Co-op Cycles (REI brand) DRT 2.1, now 2.2).
    Not quite a year ago I bought one on clearance (last years model) because the deal was too good to pass. I could have easily parted it out and made money on it.
    It's a well made frame with modern geo, good kit, a good fork, internal cable routing, excellent rims and good tires (WTB Scrapers and WTB Rangers in my case) and the latest Shimano SLX kit. It truly rides/handles excellent. I have pushed it hard and it has only responded with wanting more. With a few tweaks, the addition of a dropper and a set of 2.6" minions on i35 rims it's become a true all-mountain hardtail.
    Only two things that I felt needed addressing: One which is no surprise, the pedals. Get a good set. The factory ones wont last long and quite frankly, suck.
    Two, the X-Fusion McQueen fork is travel adjustable. Factory is 120mm.
    IMO, take it to 130mm for the sweet spot. It will go to 140mm if you fancy. 140mm rides great, but for my local trails it just feels better at 130mm. The frame is more than capable.
    I think they've upped the ante this year and it now comes with a dropper too. Not sure what brand but at least it's a dropper.
    If you find it on sale, it's hard to beat the bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdemello View Post
    I'll say one thing, the proliferation of bike manufacturers is dizzying. I realize it's a high-margin product, especially when you're selling toys to wealthy yuppies at exorbitant prices, but at some point you'd think entrepreneurs would realize what a crowded product space it is and therefore how hard it is (should be?) to make money with all that competition.
    I'm always surprised that given the huge range of manufacturers, that very few of them are pushing the limits in any aspect of geo or spec. Sure there's boutique outliers like Nicolai pushing the super steep seat tubes, or Transition selling the hardcore-do it all 130mm/150mm reverse mullet Scout, but as far as mainstream brands go - most seem to stick to the safer waters. The big manufacturers tend to innovate in unexpected and sometimes stupid ways with proprietary shock sizes or custom steerer interfaces and stuff.

    Most of the really good changes come from the smaller companies and are later adopted by the big guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toodles View Post
    Most of the really good changes come from the smaller companies and are later adopted by the big guys.
    That seems to be the way of the world. When you get big you have design by committee with required approvals from too many managers, so any radical innovation is going to get filtered out. Those small companies are typically just executing the vision of a single owner who is probably also the chief designer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdemello View Post
    That seems to be the way of the world. When you get big you have design by committee with required approvals from too many managers, so any radical innovation is going to get filtered out. Those small companies are typically just executing the vision of a single owner who is probably also the chief designer.

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    Yep, I agree. It is less of a gamble for a big company though to put out one or two models that push the limits a little and see how they are received. IMO, Specialized has done that with the EVO Stumpjumpers this year. Originally only an alloy option, they pretty much sold out and have now been released in carbon as well.

    Obviously those extremes aren't for everybody, but its cool to see them as a semi-affordable option. Buying the boutique brands to get the geo or spec that you want is an expensive exercise.

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