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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! ♦ Liteville 601 & Syntace Bike - German Porn & Review ♦











    After many years spent on Knolly bikes [Endophin and Chilcotin] I decided to try something new. Why would I choose Liteville and Syntace? After a visit in the Syntace headquarters, experiencing the quality and seeing the incredible passion of every guy at Syntace, I fell in love with this company and their products. The owner and founder of Syntace, Jo Klieber, is a true visionary and inventor who like a mad scientist roams between CNC machines, 3D printers and self-designed testing machines with a calliper in hand working on one of his revolutionary ideas, and there are many of them in his head, e.g. latest Procore System.

    I have had the great experience with Syntace products before, i.e. Synatace W35 MX wheels [my review in Polish here] which are simply awesome and prove that the German engineering is "über alles" indeed! No wonder SRAM leaves their R&D work to German engineers [see here].

    So, the bike is quite unorthodox. Against to all the hype and fashion 26" is not dead! Hence, I chose a good old 26" which are driven by old-fashioned 2x9 system. Nevertheless, there are some benefits of 21st century inventions that made a buzz in the mtb world, e.g. adjustable seatpost [Yep Uptimizer], fork cartridge from Avalanche, rear derailleur with the clutch [10-speed Shimano Saint RD-M820 paired with 9-speed SRAM X.0 shifters - yes it works!]. The rest of the components are rather standard parts because the intention was to build as versatile and reliable bike as possible.

    In this thread I will be trying to include some useful information about the bike and its components in a long-term-test manner.
    Hopefully, I will be able to answer some questions as well.

    All Liteville owners, please feel free to share your impressions and opinions about your 601.
    Thanks!



    Bike Specification:

    Frame: Liteville 601 Mk3 [L, Custom Anodizing @ tf-bikes.at]
    Fork: Marzocchi 55 RC3 Evo V2 Ti + Avalanche Cartridge
    Shock: Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C [240 x 76 i.e. 9.5 x 3.0]

    Handlebar: Syntace Vector Carbon High35 [780mm x 31.8 x 35mm x 8° x 5° x 265g]
    Stem: Syntace Megaforce2 [40mm x 6° x 111g]
    Grips: Syntace Screw-on Gripz Moto [137mm x Ø33mm x 152g]
    Headset: Syntace VarioSpin

    Saddle: Chromag Trailmaster
    Seatpost: Yep Uptimizer HC 155
    Seat Clamp: Syntace SuperLock2

    Crankset: Race Face Atlas [Raw, 170mm]
    Bottom Bracket: Race Face X-Type Team DH [73mm]
    Chain Rings: Blackspire Super Pro [22/32]
    Rockring: Gusset Saw Ring [94BCD, 4-Arm, Max 32]
    Chain: KMC X9 SL Ti Gold
    Pedals: Syntace NumberNine Titan [Medium] / Shimano XT PD-M785

    Chainguide: SCS II [Syntace Chainguide System]
    Rear Deraileur: Shimano Saint RD-M820 + OneUp RAD Cage + KCNC
    Front Deraileur: Shimano XT FD-M770
    Shifters: SRAM X0 9sp
    Casstette: SRAM PG-990 11-34 9sp

    Front Wheel: Syntace W35 MX [26" x 32H x 20mm x 805g]
    Rim: Syntace W35 [26" x 32H x 500g]
    Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
    Hub: Syntace HiTorque MX Front20 [150g]
    Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 Super Gravity, TrailStar
    Tube: Ritchey Lightweight

    Rear Wheel: Syntace W35 MX [26" x 32H x 12x142mm x 875g]
    Rim: Syntace W35 [26" x 32H x 500g]
    Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
    Hub: Syntace HiTorque MX Rear12 [245g]
    Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 Super Gravity, PaceStar
    Tube: Ritchey Lightweight

    Brakes Levers: Shimano XTR Race [BL-M985]
    Brake Calipers: Shimano Saint [BR-M820]‏
    Brake Hose: Goodridge #107
    Rotors: UberBike Floating Gold/Black [203mm / 180mm]
    Adapters: UberBike Front PM 203 / Liteville Rear PM 180


    Other parts:
    Syntace X-Fix
    Syntace RockGuard SL
    Syntace Post Shim Light


    Tools:
    Syntace Torque Tool 1-25 Nm
    Syntace Speedcutter 1.5
    Syntace Microshock
    Syntace 5mm Key
    Syntace Bond 48 High Strength
    Syntace Bond 48 Medium Strength





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    ♦ Liteville 601 Frame Porn ♦

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    ♦ Bike Parts Porn ♦

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    Syntace W35 MX Wheels



















    Syntace Vector Carbon High35

    [780mm x 31.8 x 35mm x 8° x 5° x 265g]












    Syntace Screw-on Gripz Moto

    [137mm x Ø33mm x 152g]












    SCS II
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    Shimano Saint RD-M820
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    OneUp RAD Cage
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    Shimano Medium Inner Plate
    [Y5XC09100]
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    KCNC Jockey Wheels 12T


    10-speed Shimano Saint RD-M820 paired with 9-speed SRAM X.0 shifters - yes it works!


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    Nice!
    I like porn, German porn too.

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    Gorgeous. Interested in hearing your impressions.

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    I have been eying this exact frame. Keep us posted!!!

    You are not in the US are you? This frame is tough to find in the states.

    Those pedals look super nice also, gotta love German engineering! Curious what your total weight of the build will be?

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    Sweet! Getting ready to place an order for a pair of W35 rims, handlebar and stem. The Alu handlebar is only 300g @ 780mm wide. I too like German porn.
    Das ist wunderschön.

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    Beautiful Bert. Great images as usual.

    Did you not want to clown bicycle it and run a 650b front and 26" rear? I did that on my Chilcotin and loved it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoManerz View Post
    I have been eying this exact frame. Keep us posted!!!

    You are not in the US are you? This frame is tough to find in the states.

    Those pedals look super nice also, gotta love German engineering! Curious what your total weight of the build will be?
    I'm from Poland but there are quite few Liteville/Syntace dealers in the US, see here:
    Liteville Dealers - Radsport USA

    I did not have a chance to weigh the bike but I will post the weight soon.




    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Beautiful Bert. Great images as usual.

    Did you not want to clown bicycle it and run a 650b front and 26" rear? I did that on my Chilcotin and loved it...
    Long story short, I bought the wrong fork and did not want to get rid of it. Maybe I will try that "clown bike" upgrade next season. Nevertheless, I was test riding 27,5/26" Liteville 601 bike in the Alps and it was awesome on the rocks.
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    I also have been looking at the 601. I look forward to your review/comparison to the chilcotin.

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    ♦ Liteville 601 & Syntace Bike - German Porn & Review ♦

    9speed sram shifter pulling a 10speed shimano deraluir got my attention. I'm going to have to try this!
    Great porn and photography

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    My friend has a 301 and loves it, quality looks top notch.
    I like to fart when I'm in front of you on a climb

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    for my riding, the 301 should be better. thank you for the quality pictures. What i like about syntace and liteville is that they look at the MTB and its components as a system, rather than individual components that you can just mix and match, they are one of the few companies [in my opinion] who embody this - and it shows in their amazing attention to detail.

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    the chainguide is genious
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    the chainguide is genious
    Yes, and it's totally noiseless!
    Looks very simple and reliable, no problem with backpedaling as well.

    SCS II
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    the 601 is the one compatible with dual crowns, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizon View Post
    the 601 is the one compatible with dual crowns, no?
    Yes, Liteville 601 is dual-crown fork compatible and Mk3 models have additional gussets and built in bumpers for better dent resistance, see photo below.

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    I guess u haven't had a chance to test it out with a set of dual crowns slapped in there

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    I sold my last dual-crown fork 10 years ago and I have never looked back since then.
    It's too much for what/where I ride now.
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    I'm in love, this is probably the most German bike ever.

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    Frame and Wheels review

    OK, so I have couple of rides on the bike now and I can tell you it rides awesome. The frame feels plenty stiff and the 2890g [6.3lb] w/o shock is pretty impressive as for the aluminum frame with 190mm of travel. Maybe the bike is not as nimble as Chilcotin [the chainstay is 11mm longer: 440 vs 429] but with longer travel [190mm] it is true shredding machine. The Horst-link suspension is very plush and sensitive thanks to the ball bearings all over [no bushings friction as in Chilcotin]. After years spent on CCDB Coil I was afraid of an air shock at first but I have to admit the new Vivid R2C air does a really good job. The suspension is impressively bottomless, with a smooth progression from a supple beginning stroke, a non-wallowing middle, to a not-harsh end stroke. The only disadvantage seems to be lack of some sort of climb switch. Nevertheless, the bike pedals amazingly well for something with this much travel and a downhill-specific shock and the suspension does not wallow too much when going up. Another thing I like about the bike is the total silence when bombing down the hill. An integrated chainguide [SCS II] beautifully fit to the front of the drive-side chainstay, rear derailleur with clutch and thick padding on the chainstay and front derailleur [see photo below] apparently help to quiet the drivetrain.






    There has been a lot of hype about wide rims lately but for me wider is better! Maybe it looks like marketing BS but I find these images pretty close to what I experienced with my 35mm wide Syntace W35 MX wheels.






    Disclaimer: I am not a downhiller but I like riding steep and technical terrain; I call it trail riding, some call it Enduro. Also, I prefer stronger wheels, which does not necessarily mean heavier ones. My set is 1700g.

    First off, I was surprised by the low rolling resistance of the tires put on the wider rims. The tires feel more stable while cornering and climb better due to improved grip. Also, braking distances are considerably shorter. All in all, I really like the performance of the wider rims. Nevertheless, what I find beneficial, others may find redundant. It all boils down to personal preference and there is no universal solution for everybody.

    Some time ago I decided to take some measurements. I installed the same tire [Schwalbe Rock Razor 2.35] on two different rims with 21mm I.D. [DT Swiss EX 5.1 D] and 29mm I.D. [Syntace W35 MX]. In both cases I inflated the tire to 2 bars [29 PSI]. This is what I found.




    Casing width:



    rim DT Swiss EX 5.1D [I.D. 21mm] - 55.80mm | rim Syntace W35 MX [I.D. 29mm] - 58.40mm

    difference: 2.6mm



    Thread width:



    rim DT Swiss EX 5.1D [I.D. 21mm] - 57.55mm | rim Syntace W35 MX [I.D. 29mm] - 57.60mm

    difference: 0.05mm
    practically none



    Findings: with the rim 8mm wider, casing expanded by 2.6mm while the thread width remained virtually the same [which is mathematically correct]. Moreover, the modified profile of a tire - a more gradual arch with more of the tread facing the crown of the tire - makes the transition to the tire's edging tread seamless and is responsible for a better grip as "more" tire contacts the ground.


    To be continued...
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    I'd be surprised if you need to use both a clutch derailleur and the Syntace chain guide. I have to switch the clutch to the off position on the XTR derailleur on my 301 with the chain guide or it doesn't like going onto the larger two cogs on the cassette. The chain guide works brilliantly.

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    Kielce Bike-Expo 2014

    Few pics from today's bike fair in Poland...
    I decided to show my bike at Polish distributor's stand.















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    ♦ Purple Is the New Black ♦

    My GF told me the purple would fit the bike better than the previous gold.
    Who am I to question her sense of style?




















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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! ♦ UberBike Jockey Wheels + Ceramic Bearings ♦

    Small update:

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    They will match up nicely with my rotors:



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    Beautiful bike and build Bert! Love the titanium anodized frame, tf-bikes has some nice stuff! I'm 301 rider myself and Liteville is awesome!
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    Awesome pictures! Now get her dirty!
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    US Liteville Distribution at Radsport USA

    Amazing overview and images BikeBert!!

    BTW - Radsport USA (that's us) is the North American distributor for Liteville as well as Syntace, SQlab, Trickstuff and 66sick - all German brands! We've got some 601's here that are looking for a home so please feel free to give a shout if you are interested. We do sell through dealers including Wrench Science but most are not stocking frames on the floor. Next year we will have demos available at our Bend location which will be a good excuse for a bike vacation!!

    Radsport USA
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    Smile Syntace Enduro Specific Wheelbarrow



    Seems like wheelbarrowing might be the next big thing and Syntace is ready to deliver!
    This Enduro specific wheelbarrow will be available in different wheel sizes,
    with titanium carrier, carbon fiber handle and custom paint.



    Syntace Enduro Specific Wheelbarrow - Prototype

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    Isn't that what they use to demonstrate at shows that the front wheel and rear wheel have to do 2 totally different kinds of jobs on a bike?!?!
    How are you associated with Syntace? It seems you got some special access.
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Summer nostalgia





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    if ya like litevilles you'll like last as well, bikebert! i almost pulled the trigger on a 601 but went with an herb am to try a linkage driven sp with built in shock/whl options. german stuff is well executed for sure!

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! ♦ Liteville 601 - Superenduro-Waffe ♦

    After big success of complete bikes based on 301 frame
    Syntace & Liteville is preparing something special:
    601 - Superenduro-Waffe.




















    Specification:

    Frame: Liteville 601 MK3, 190 mm [S, M, L, XL]
    Fork: Formula, ThirtyFive, 27.5 black 180mm
    Shock: RockShox Vivid Air
    Headset: Syntace VarioSpin 0°

    Crankset: Sram XO1 (170 / 175 mm, 30T)
    Brakes: Shimano Deore XT
    Rotors: Shimano 203 mm/180 mm
    Wheels: Syntace M-Serie W40
    Tires: Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.5
    ScaledSizing: S R26/F26, M R26/F27.5, L R26/F27.5, XL R26/F27.5

    Stem: Syntace Megaforce2, 30/40/50/60 mm
    Handlebar: Syntace Vector Carbon High10, 760mm
    Grips: Syntace Screw-On Gripz Moto black
    Saddle: Sattel SQ-Lab Liteville Edition 13 / 14 / 15 Breite
    Seatpost: Syntace P6 Carbon HiFlex / RockShox Stealth 150 mm [+ EUR 130]

    Pedals: Syntace NumberNine Titan [+ EUR 178]
    Chain guide: Syntace SCS II
    Rear mech protector: Syntace RockGuard SL black

    Weight: 13,55kg [w/ pedals]
    Price: EUR 5.640

    Availability: May 2015
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    ythe forumla 35 is an epic choice for that build, would love to see how you would build up a 301 bert!

    on a side note, i wish my frame had a 34.9mm seatpost so i can run a bigger p6, i wonder how the dampening is affected by that, any how i love my syntace products. next things on the list are Number Nine Pedals, possibly w35 wheelset, and then definitely need to source a Liteville 101 frame, bert if you know anyone who has one for sale or where i can get one please please please let me know

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    ♦ Syntace & Schwalbe Procore ♦

    Procore hardcore test begins!!!





















    For all those wondering what's the weight penalty of Procore system...
    the answer is: close to none or negligible for all benefits you get!
    See for yourself, the scale doesn't lie - it's only women who say otherwise.
    And yes, after few rides it's official: Procore is freaking awesome!!!
    The grip, the puncture resistance, the feel, the confidence - all of it is true and [un]real!











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    I have been looking at the 601 for years as my dream bike. Well, I just got the opportunity to own my dream when I picked up an XL 601 on eBay for the US Distributor Radsport for a steal. I am in the process of building it and will post pics as soon as its done. To whet your appetite, here is the build


    Frame: Liteville 601 Mk2, XL, black
    Fork: 2016 Fox Float RC2 36 180mm
    Shock: Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C [240 x 76 ]
    Handlebar: RaceFace SixC
    Stem: Pro FRS 50mm
    Grips: Ergon GE1 Slim
    Headset: Syntace VarioSpin
    Saddle: SDG TiFly
    Seatpost: Reverb Stealth
    Seat Clamp: Syntace SuperLock2
    Crankset: SRAM XX1
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP
    Chain Rings: RaceFace 32t NW
    Chain: KMC X10
    Pedals: VP Harrier
    Chainguide: none
    Rear Deraileur: Shimano XT Shadow+ with OneUp RADr Cage
    Shifters: Shimano XT
    Casstette: XT 10 spd 11-36, Wolf Tooth 42t, Shimano 16t
    Wheelset/Tires: Mavic Crossmax Enduro 27.5"
    Brakes: Shimano XT with IceTech rotors (180mm)

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    I'm still impressed by PROCORE system and the protection it offers on a rough track. Before, I would never be able to ride routes studded with sharp rocks and roots without getting a flat or dents in the rim. At the same time low pressure [ca. 1.0 - 1.3 bar] boosts traction and confidence to unheard of levels.

    Below few pics from a local hiking trail and great testing ground for the overall bike performance and skills. It's incredibly steep and full of rocks and roots.




















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    Cool-blue Rhythm Sljeme, Zagreb, Croatia

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeBert View Post
    Great pic...reminds me of night rides I used to do in the Front Range of CO. Keep the updates going... The 601 is sort of a cousin to my 200mm bike and like seeing others enjoy that type of bike. Cheers.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Another all-day ride





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    Tell us more about the bash guard. In one of the close up photos it looks like it has sawblade like teeth, possibly to dig into downed trees/logs to help you pedal over them if you come in contact with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy G. Parrish View Post
    Tell us more about the bash guard. In one of the close up photos it looks like it has sawblade like teeth, possibly to dig into downed trees/logs to help you pedal over them if you come in contact with them.
    The bash guard is Gusset Saw Ring [94BCD, 4-Arm, Max 32]. I got it 10 years ago for my street bike and have it since. It's got great sentimental value to me and brings memories every time I look at it...











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    none of USA distributors have Liteville frames, one out of 6 dropped the brand altogether.
    Price of a frame is USA is $2500 vs. $1600 in Germany.

    All dealers dont have any demo bikes.

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    Are these 29 wheels on 301?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlov0032 View Post
    Are these 29 wheels on 301?

    Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
    Both bikes are 26".
    301 is size small.
    Here is the thread for this bike:
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Rock Shox 55 RC3 Evo V2 Ti

    Inside look into Rock Shox 55 RC3 Evo V2 Ti 170mm with SKF seals and Avalanche open bath cartridge after one season of riding. Immaculate clean like the Virgin Mary. Last picture shows the SKF seals right after opening the fork. The grease on the seals [Slick Honey] looks like applied 5 seconds ago. AVA cartridge works miracles and the built quality is second to none!












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    Liteville 301 Mk11 frames are on sale for 1259 euros on bike-components.de get yours before thy gone

    https://www.bike-components.de/de/Li...at-CTD-p34115/

    301 MK12 Frames are 1900 euros vs $2600 at wrenchscience.com ( I wonder how they will sell them with $500 difference)

    601 frames are same price
    https://www.bike-components.de/de/Li...ir-R2C-p33291/

    Delivery to US by Deutche Post is only $44

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    BikeBert,

    Could you please share your objective impression of how the bike pedals uphill? The subjective I know - it pedals good considering it's a very long-travel bike. But objectively, is the climbing punishing? How's it on the technical climbs?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abagrizzli View Post
    BikeBert,

    Could you please share your objective impression of how the bike pedals uphill? The subjective I know - it pedals good considering it's a very long-travel bike. But objectively, is the climbing punishing? How's it on the technical climbs?

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    Objective impression, you say? Let me try.

    First of all you're right: "it pedals good considering it's a very long-travel bike." But, "is the climbing punishing?" I would say it vastly depends on tires you use and surface you ride on uphill. Last season I used Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.35 TrailStar in front and Hans Dampf 2.35 SnakeSkin, TrailStar [!!!] on the rear and Procore system. With air pressure around 1 bar [15 PSI] and TrailStar compound going uphill on asphalt was a torture!

    However, when going up in terrain [dirt, gravel, roots, etc.] the bike climbs like a mountain goat with tons of grip! I was able to attack ultra steep angles without a single wheel slip.

    This season I will stay with Magic Mary [love the grip and safety it offers] in front and Rock Razor / Hans Dampf TrailStar interchangeably on the rear [RR for everyday use and HD for Bike Parks and some races].

    When it comes to suspension, I have to admit 601 climbs better than my Chilcotin. There is significantly less pedal bob with proper cadence. I was considering getting 101 for trail and XC riding but I decided I will just get a new shock with Climb Switch, change rear tire to Rock Razor and use 601 as do-it-all bike.

    Hope it helps. Should you have any questions I'm here to help.


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    Thank you!

    I got myself a large 601 for testing with narrow Sunringle rims and Minions DHF+DHR 2.35 on front/rear. Can't ride it though for a couple of days - there was raining here, the surface is muddy and unrideable in my area... But the curiosity digs me. It looks very much slacker than my Mojo HD, and with tons more of travel back and forth, so I just wonder is it the right direction for me for do-it-all bike...

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    Couldn't help it - just took a ride and in the current setup the bike pedals like a big fat pig - heavy and sloppy... It's a bit discouraging.

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    It's a pretty low pivot, which means with a bigger ring, it's going to squat on climbs. This is most noticable on a steep climb and minimized with a smaller ring or a two-ring setup that allows for a small chainring, which gives more anti-squat. If you are used to an Ibis, it's probably going to feel very "soggy" uphill, especially if you ride hardtails and know what your approximate "zero energy loss" climb feels like. This isn't a matter of "bob", like watching the shock go up or down (or not) on level ground, you can have almost none of that and still lots of squat on a climb. This is most frustrating because the times when you want to stay in a bigger gear and "push" the climb, it punishes you more for it, rather than going to a smaller front ring (if you have it). On the Ibis, on the steep climb, you won't be sinking down into the travel in the same way, my experience is much more "acceleration" with each pedal stroke.

    This unfortunately is the inherent disadvantage of the FSR/horst link. I like some aspects of it, but poor sharp-edged performance from the low pivot and squat on climbs are the negatives. Usually pretty good bump absorption otherwise and pedaling on level ground are positives.
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    Good job! 601

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    That deserves a coil shock...very nice frame there, like the finish too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    That deserves a coil shock...very nice frame there, like the finish too
    Thx! Coil shock on the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abagrizzli View Post
    Thank you!

    I got myself a large 601 .. so I just wonder is it the right direction for me for do-it-all bike...
    Per your other message, not surprising really. I love my Canfield One but it's not the best do-it-all bike unless you are heavily on the big terrain/dh side of the fence. I wound up getting an HD3 for everyday cruising and made Canfield more DH-able w/ a Dorado and big tires. Can't speak to the 601 (travel, geo similar tho) specifically, but in my light kit the Canfield was still pretty fun but lacked the 'pop' and nimble feeling - I'm better w/ those characteristics. As J says, if you optimize for the CR size? Pretty sure the suspension guy did a 601:

    Liteville 601 2011 - Linkage Design

    seems smaller ring size for sure.

    Cool bike no matter what.

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    Thank you guys, your insights appreciated.

    I had the 601 with 180 Fox Float and Marzo Roco Air TST set at 190mm travel. The thing doesn't move forward. On the other hand, in the same ride, I had HD3 (which I'm still considering) and this was a whole different story. All in all, 601 at the current setup I had is for going down, preferably straight. But this ride helped me to realize, that even if I make an effort to try and make it light and "pedalable" - it still is a huge overkill for what I do.

    It is an amazing bike I believe, with overwhelming quality and details though.

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    Idea! CCDB Coil CS

    The shock arrived!

    CCDB Coil CS [240 x 76 i.e. 9.5 x 3.0] + TiSprings 400 x 3"

    Since Cane Creek does not offer CS version in 240mm length I asked the distributor to create one-off. They took 2 shocks: CCDB Coil CS 222mm [longest available] and regular CCDB Coil 240mm and created Frankenstein shock - the FranCaneCreek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abagrizzli View Post
    Thank you guys, your insights appreciated.

    I had the 601 with 180 Fox Float and Marzo Roco Air TST set at 190mm travel. The thing doesn't move forward. On the other hand, in the same ride, I had HD3 (which I'm still considering) and this was a whole different story. All in all, 601 at the current setup I had is for going down, preferably straight. But this ride helped me to realize, that even if I make an effort to try and make it light and "pedalable" - it still is a huge overkill for what I do.

    It is an amazing bike I believe, with overwhelming quality and details though.

    Yes, if you look at this:

    Linkage Design: Liteville

    you will see that the anti-squat numbers do not favor a big front ring. If you could live with a single 28t ring in the front, you would be fine.

    With that said, from your build, you are describing a bike meant for full on down hill performance. 7" front and 7.5" in the rear is a lot for a trail bike - where honestly a 130-140 mm bike is still optimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Yes, if you look at this:

    Linkage Design: Liteville

    you will see that the anti-squat numbers do not favor a big front ring. If you could live with a single 28t ring in the front, you would be fine.

    With that said, from your build, you are describing a bike meant for full on down hill performance. 7" front and 7.5" in the rear is a lot for a trail bike - where honestly a 130-140 mm bike is still optimum.
    Thing is, a 28 is getting pretty ridiculously low for the gearing, ok on a snow bike at times, but 30-32 because with a 28, your top end starts to take a big hit. Especially on a "not 29er" bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Thing is, a 28 is getting pretty ridiculously low for the gearing, ok on a snow bike at times, but 30-32 because with a 28, your top end starts to take a big hit. Especially on a "not 29er" bike.
    Agree. And with a bike with 7 inches in the front and 7+ in the rear, you want big rings to go FAST!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Yes, if you look at this:

    Linkage Design: Liteville

    you will see that the anti-squat numbers do not favor a big front ring. If you could live with a single 28t ring in the front, you would be fine.

    With that said, from your build, you are describing a bike meant for full on down hill performance. 7" front and 7.5" in the rear is a lot for a trail bike - where honestly a 130-140 mm bike is still optimum.
    Plus, there's no dirt in these photos...was that thing steam cleaned or something?
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    "Enduro" Trail in Zagreb - video

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    I just posted in another forum but I'm curious on sizing for the 601. Can you please post your height and riding style/sizing preferences? I'm currently on a newer Cannondale Carbon Jekyll in XL. I'm 6'2" and I love the reach on it. It's definitely a big bike (wouldn't want to go any higher in standover). Thanks!

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    I'm 5'11" riding a Large 601. Feels just right, wouldn't want it any smaller. I tend to ride a fair bit of XC stuff but with some steep/loose off-piste thrown in.

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    Just upgraded the shock (and drivetrain) as I'm getting a little lazy on the climbs so opted for a Fox X2 and had retrofitted the climb switch, it does make a noticeable difference on the climbs and on the first run I even managed a PR on a 'beast' of a local climb, even better than when I'm on my SB5c.

    With the Lyrics set on Trail and locking the rear shock out even some of the gnarly CX trails here on HK seemed bearable.

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    Idea! ♦ Liteville & EightPins - dropper post ♦

    Just when I thought everything was said about dropper posts... BOOM!!!
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    My MK12 has no hole for that, no reason to get excited lol
    I like to fart when I'm in front of you on a climb

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    Now, how will I be able to adapt that into my frame, I have to find a way .

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    Cool-blue Rhythm I only ride park! :)

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