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    Seeker vs Goblin Evo

    I've been waiting on the Seeker to come back in stock for 2 months and it looks like I have another month if Airborne's estimates are accurate this time. I was considering just jumping up to the Goblin Evo and finally getting a bike but now it seems that's also out of stock. I'd go for the 20" but the product page is dead. Airborne just clarified the 22" is the only model in stuck. Just missed it...

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter since the Goblin Evo is out of stuck until Spring 2016 but can you guys enlighten me on the differences anyway? I will be doing mostly flat dirt and gravel trail riding but I'd like some leeway on a little bit rougher paths. It seems like the Seeker is perfect for that since it's a XC bike. But would there be any negatives to doing the same rides on the Goblin Evo? Is there a difference in speed or anything? Or is the Goblin Evo simply more capable.

    I'm not concerned the Seeker is a bad choice. I spent the last 2 months researching alternatives since I couldn't buy it and ultimately always come back to the Seeker. The Goblin Evo is the only bike I thought might be comparable. Just want some insight as a noobie.

    Thanks all.

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    -Seeker's head tube angle is steeper by 2 degrees
    -Goblin EVO has 120mm of fork travel compared to Seeker's 100mm (Revelation vs Recon Gold, respectively)
    -Goblin's chainstay length is slightly shorter
    -Different brakeset (Avid vs Hayes)
    -EVO's drivetrain is better (X7/9 vs the Seeker's X5)

    Perhaps the folks who have ridden both may have better input but I ride a 16" Seeker with a bunch of parts swapped out to fit me better (5'4). The trails here in Korea are full of stumps, rocks, roots, random stairs/drops, and short but steep climbs/descents and it's been able to handle it. Would I like a bike with a slacker HTA for some stability? Would I like a tad more travel at some sections? Sure, but it's not really necessary.

    Having said that, if I could go back, I'd get an EVO. hahaha The cost to upgrade parts to match or exceed the EVO's justifies just getting the EVO.
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    I ride a 22" Seeker. It would be perfect and probably the best bike on the market for what you describe. I road it as you described for a few moths and loved it. I then started going on rougher trails through the woods (similar to Ta87) and did minor upgrades to tires, bars, stem, and seat. Evo already has the typical upgrades done to it, and a few other updates as listed above.

    Mostly, the EVO is built to handle rougher trails and provide a reasonably comfortable ride (the larger, stiffer tires make a big difference since you can lower the pressure). They won't roll quite as fast on the road, you won't notice much loss of speed on the trail.

    You could consider a standard Goblin as well for your use. A little more money and a better fork and wheel set I think. My advice is get a Seeker. I usually ride with friends on FS bikes over roughish trails, and for that the EVO is the bike to get.

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    Thanks both of you. That was really helpful.

    Seeker is still my front runner. I think it will match my needs to a tee and I can always upgrade later if I need. Besides, I like the matte black on the frame more than the glossy finish on the Goblin. The Goblin Exo blue is pretty damn sexy though...

    Bttocs, what height and inseam do you have for the 22' seeker?

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    ** accidental duplicate post **
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    No worries. I'm 5'4 so I've been experimenting with stem/bar combos. I've a shorter 165 crank (busted my old one) as well and minor mods like tires and seats/seat post. I know I'm short so I was bound to make adjustments.
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    So you modified the largest frame to suit a smaller rider's build? What are the benefits to doing that?

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    Not the frame- just certain parts that alter the fit. I banged up my crank so I replaced it and after doing a good bit of homework, I decided to buy one with shorter crank arm lengths. It sped up my cadence (the circumference of one full pedal revolution is lessened) but reduced leverage (think long vs short breaker bar) but my knees and riding position feels much better.

    BikeDynamics - Bike Fitting Specialists - Crank Arm Lengths - lots of good information regarding crank arm lengths

    The 16" seeker comes with an 90mm stem. Combined with the bars, it pulled me forward a bit more than I liked and I felt very stretched out. I've since bought a bunch of cheap Easton/Raceface stems (20-40 bucks) ranging from 40-70 and bars from stock-720mm and decided I was most comfortable on around a 50mm stem combined w/ a 720mm bar. This put my riding position further back which makes it easier and more comfortable to ride down hills and stairs and whatnot... Korea's full of them.

    I bought a new seat simply because it felt much more comfortable (Google articles and YouTube videos for saddle fitment to get an idea).
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    Thanks, there's a lot I need to learn. I've been waiting for the 20" to come back in stock but your post made me think I could get away with a 22". I'll probably wait for the 20" but I need to do some reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerikaner View Post
    Thanks both of you. That was really helpful.

    Seeker is still my front runner. I think it will match my needs to a tee and I can always upgrade later if I need. Besides, I like the matte black on the frame more than the glossy finish on the Goblin. The Goblin Exo blue is pretty damn sexy though...

    Bttocs, what height and inseam do you have for the 22' seeker?

    Just saw your question today, I am 6'4" with a 36" inseam. I have long legs and arms and shorter torso for my height. I have the 22" frame. It is a pretty large frame. I can raise the seat post about another 1 in from my proper position. It also has a long reach and I have to drop from a 110mm stem to a 45mm stem to shorten it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerikaner View Post
    I've been waiting on the Seeker to come back in stock for 2 months and it looks like I have another month if Airborne's estimates are accurate this time. I was considering just jumping up to the Goblin Evo and finally getting a bike but now it seems that's also out of stock. I'd go for the 20" but the product page is dead. Airborne just clarified the 22" is the only model in stuck. Just missed it...

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter since the Goblin Evo is out of stuck until Spring 2016 but can you guys enlighten me on the differences anyway? I will be doing mostly flat dirt and gravel trail riding but I'd like some leeway on a little bit rougher paths. It seems like the Seeker is perfect for that since it's a XC bike. But would there be any negatives to doing the same rides on the Goblin Evo? Is there a difference in speed or anything? Or is the Goblin Evo simply more capable.

    I'm not concerned the Seeker is a bad choice. I spent the last 2 months researching alternatives since I couldn't buy it and ultimately always come back to the Seeker. The Goblin Evo is the only bike I thought might be comparable. Just want some insight as a noobie.

    Thanks all.
    Never rode a Seeker so I cant tell you about the ride.

    I have ridden the EVO, and coming from a Giant and Specialized past I can tell you the EVO is 2x the bike of anything ive ridden, and my last bike was a Specialized Stump Comp at 2x9. The EVO is simply crazy good.

    If you can wait to get the EVO, get it. They are improving it somewhat, though there isnt much to improve. My guess would be they are updating the brakes and possibly the fork (though the Revelation is more than fine). Shit if they just update the brakes it will be perfect.

    If you cant wait, im sure the Seeker is just fine.

    PS..DONT go for a larger size than what you think you should fit. I almost went with a 20" EVO over an 18" because I came from a 19" Stumpy. That would have been a big mistake. The 18" is plenty big for me, almost too big.
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    I was originally going to buy a seeker but after a lot of research I ended up buying the Goblin Evo. Better fork, through axles, better brakes (did not want to deal with all the issues people have with the Avids), slacker head tube angle, shorter chain stays, higher specced components, stronger frame etc. Just an all around better bike for not much more money. I really love mine. It got me excited about actual trail riding not just cruising down the street. I however recently bought a full suspension bike so I have to sell my Goblin Evo. Would like to keep both bikes but it's hard to justify both right now(at least to the wife lol). I'm kinda hoping I have a hard time selling it but if you are in FL let me know mine is a 20" and in near mint condition. I maybe wouldn't mind seeing it go so much if I knew it was going to someone who would love it as much as I do.
    Another option is to look at the Kona Taro if you don't want used or to wait for the new Evos to come out. This was my second choice and looks like a great bike. Good luck with whatever you end up with.

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    Too bad I'm not in FL NoMountains.

    I'll consider upgrading to an EVO next year when they're back in stock depending on if I get more into trail riding than xc. I've already been waiting months for the Seeker. I really can't justify waiting another year and there's nothing cheaper I want that would satisfy the wait.

    I really appreciate all the responses. This forum is super helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMountainsBiker View Post
    I was originally going to buy a seeker but after a lot of research I ended up buying the Goblin Evo. Better fork, through axles, better brakes (did not want to deal with all the issues people have with the Avids), slacker head tube angle, shorter chain stays, higher specced components, stronger frame etc. Just an all around better bike for not much more money. I really love mine. It got me excited about actual trail riding not just cruising down the street. I however recently bought a full suspension bike so I have to sell my Goblin Evo. Would like to keep both bikes but it's hard to justify both right now(at least to the wife lol). I'm kinda hoping I have a hard time selling it but if you are in FL let me know mine is a 20" and in near mint condition. I maybe wouldn't mind seeing it go so much if I knew it was going to someone who would love it as much as I do.
    Another option is to look at the Kona Taro if you don't want used or to wait for the new Evos to come out. This was my second choice and looks like a great bike. Good luck with whatever you end up with.
    Shoot me a PM. I'm interested in it if you're selling.

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    Pattongb, what size or you? Maybe I should get a small? I think I am right on the cut, at 5'9".

    I had sort of made up my mind to buy a Trek Superfly 8, but the Goblin EVO looks very comparable for a lot less money. THanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConchoBill View Post
    I had sort of made up my mind to buy a Trek Superfly 8, but the Goblin EVO looks very comparable for a lot less money. THanks!
    You're going to be waiting for a year fyi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerikaner View Post
    You're going to be waiting for a year fyi.
    Yes, what he said. The EVO is out till next year.

    As for size, im 5'11 and the 18" is almost too big for me (in the EVO).

    The Trek Superfly is a great bike. If you need a bike now, go for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConchoBill View Post
    Pattongb, what size or you? Maybe I should get a small? I think I am right on the cut, at 5'9".

    I had sort of made up my mind to buy a Trek Superfly 8, but the Goblin EVO looks very comparable for a lot less money. THanks!
    I'm 5'9" and ride an 18" Goblin. Not sure if the geometry is the same with the Evo but I'm completely comfortable on the 18. All I did was shorten the stem by 1cm. Personally I can't imagine feeling right on the 16.

    **edit** just checked the website and checked the geometry. They suggest an 18 for 5'8"-6'.

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    I guess I'll be looking at the Superfly. I do have the money and I can support the LBS, and I don't have the long wait.

    I hear all of the good things about the EVO, and I have seen the video. THe Airborne guy told me they would be available in the Spring, which is different than late summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConchoBill View Post
    THe Airborne guy told me they would be available in the Spring, which is different than late summer.
    Not to get into semantics but its currently midsummer. Considering Airborne has had some trouble with stock recently, I wouldn't be surprised if Spring 2016 meant late Spring 2016. Add in a not unlikely month delay and you have this time next year.

    I'd love to be wrong and see them in March 2016 but probably wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConchoBill View Post
    I guess I'll be looking at the Superfly. I do have the money and I can support the LBS, and I don't have the long wait.

    I hear all of the good things about the EVO, and I have seen the video. THe Airborne guy told me they would be available in the Spring, which is different than late summer.
    Have you checked out the the Stache 7? It is closer to the Evo than the Superfly which is more cross country than trail. Also check out the Kona Taro. It was my second choice if I didn't get an Evo.

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