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    New Airborne Goblin

    Hi folks, I'm a NOOB to say the least. Its been over 20yrs since I was biking on a regular basis and am very excited about getting back into it. I did some research and decided to purchase the new Airborne Goblin. They are due to ship in a few weeks so needles to say the wait is going to kill me. I am going to have lots of questions to ask and I have spent a lot of time on the forum. I live outside of Ottawa, Canada and plan on doing a lot of trail riding.


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    First, welcome back to biking! Don't let sore muscles and tired legs discourage you too much, in about six weeks your body will be more acclimated and have had time to adjust, allowing you much greater range than you might be comfortable with initially.

    If you haven't already noticed, mtbr has tons of information and feedback throughout these forums on tools, safety gear, bags, clothes, computers, shoes, tires, components, setups, and technical skills. Be sure to hit the forum related to your question, as it may have already been discussed at length in an older thread, where riders with a wide range of skillsets and many years of experience have provided several points of view on the topic. Glad to have you with us!

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    Looks like a killer bike for a great price. Just make sure you build it up correctly; if you are unsure how to do it, its worth every penny to have a shop do it for you.
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    Tiego,
    Thanks for the advice. I will be supporting my local LBS for sure. I gave my measurements to the guy at Airbourne and he reccomendeded a 20 frame and I think a 80 or 90mm stem but i will have to get advice on the set up for sure. Up here in Canada most of the shops are selling everything off at discounted prices as the summer season is coming to an end so now is a good time to get some of the things i will need. I bought some Azonic 420 flats as the bike doesnt come with pedals.

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    Congrats Sleevem1 my first bike just arrived and got it from my LBS today, the waiting is worth it. These forums are great lots and lots of helpful info for newbies like us, and a bunch of people helping you get into this sport... don't forget your helmet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Tiego,
    Thanks for the advice. I will be supporting my local LBS for sure. I gave my measurements to the guy at Airbourne and he reccomendeded a 20 frame and I think a 80 or 90mm stem but i will have to get advice on the set up for sure. Up here in Canada most of the shops are selling everything off at discounted prices as the summer season is coming to an end so now is a good time to get some of the things i will need. I bought some Azonic 420 flats as the bike doesnt come with pedals.
    You can order them with different size stems? That's awesome. I didn't expect that...

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    Hi Sleevem! Congratulations and welcome One piece of advice I wish I had taken a long time ago was to buy a nice bib/short combo.
    I wear Canari Revolutions with Prana MOjo shorts as a shell. There is a combo called DirtBaggies that get good press. They are a more expensive way to go, but has features that may warrant the extra $$$.

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    The Goblin seems like a steal from what I've read so far. I hope to hear how she rides for you!

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    Motec, i think they only come with one size but will find out on monday when i talk to them. I think from the email he sent he would reccommend changing it to a 80-90 stem. As for the helmet I bought up a Specialized Vice on sale for half price. It fit real nice and was in the limegreen blck/whte color scheme I'm going for. Plus being a rookie when i'm laying down unconscious in the forest I will be easier to spot by people passing by.

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    PURCHASED THE NEW GOBLIN TO !!! :d

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    Does the Goblin use the same frame as the Guardian just painted different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh27292 View Post
    Does the Goblin use the same frame as the Guardian just painted different?
    Yes and no.

    The green Goblin that we made first sort-of shares the same frame as the Guardian. The difference is that since we are a small company, and aren't held to needing to build every model year, we tweak designs slightly thru the year when we do small production runs. We modified the Guardian frame slightly since it's production run was after the last green Goblin run, to have more mud and tire clerance in the back by dimpling the chainstays and widening them, and widening the seatstays.

    The new black Goblin frame is different. It utilizes a tapered HT and has slightly more rear tire clearance, and has had some tweeks made to the frame in regards to being built around a 100mm fork standard.

    Hope that helps!
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    What about in frame weight? Is the Guardian frame heavier than the green Goblin?

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    No it is not.
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    Hi Being a NOOB and all i have a question on afterarket wheel sets. If I were to pick up a set of the Sun Ringle Flag Pros or say Easton EA 70xc's I have no clue on determining what axle options to get. Can someone school me on this please. The Flag pros come with a Quick Release, 13512, 14212 Rear Axle Option. I have no clue what to order that will fit my new Goblin, front wheel and back.

    PS: Big Daddy please tell me I will be getting my shipping confirmation soon the suspense is killin me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Hi Being a NOOB and all i have a question on afterarket wheel sets. If I were to pick up a set of the Sun Ringle Flag Pros or say Easton EA 70xc's I have no clue on determining what axle options to get. Can someone school me on this please. The Flag pros come with a Quick Release, 13512, 14212 Rear Axle Option. I have no clue what to order that will fit my new Goblin, front wheel and back.

    PS: Big Daddy please tell me I will be getting my shipping confirmation soon the suspense is killin me.
    You need 135mm QR version for the rear, and standard QR for the front. New Goblins will be shipping out all week. You will get your tracking number the day after it ships, thanks!
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    BigDaddy, thanks for the info and quick response.

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    Support group? for those waiting..

    I can honestly say at age 48, it is actually a neat and welcome feeling.
    That feeling of anticipation and excitement that you felt as a child on Christmas eve, waiting for the morning. A child like euphoria

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Support group? for those waiting..

    I can honestly say at age 48, it is actually a neat and welcome feeling.
    That feeling of anticipation and excitement that you felt as a child on Christmas eve, waiting for the morning. A child like euphoria
    Sign me up for the group! This is killing me to sit around like this...

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    LOL!

    We've been *told* by our shipping guys that a large bulk of the bikes are leaving today. Fingers crossed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    LOL!

    We've been *told* by our shipping guys that a large bulk of the bikes are leaving today. Fingers crossed!
    Sweet!

    These are shipping from the left coast?

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    Yep, they are shipping from Carson, CA (near Long Beach).
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    Aww that means even longer to the East coast. FWP

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    Christmas is tomorrow! Just got my UPS Choice email advising that my new Goblin will be here sometime tomorrow.

    On a side note, just wish it wasn't coming via UPS ... received my wifes Guardian last week and the box looked like it came thru a war zone and I'm just down the road in San Diego. Forutnately, no damage to the bike.

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    Came into the office this morning to see notices that the warehouse shipped out A LOT of bikes yesterday. We will be busy dropping the tracking#'s into our e-commerce engine all day today. If you are waiting on a tracking# for your Goblin more-than-likely you should see it in your email box today. Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Came into the office this morning to see notices that the warehouse shipped out A LOT of bikes yesterday. We will be busy dropping the tracking#'s into our e-commerce engine all day today. If you are waiting on a tracking# for your Goblin more-than-likely you should see it in your email box today. Thanks!!!
    Get Crackin.

    Most likely, when it is delivered, I will have 0 time to look at it let alone even contemplate assembling it. Why of all times are we picking next week to upgrade our network infrastructure at our co-lo facility. Lots of long days and nights ahead. Of course it will go smoothly... That and I will probably gain 10-15 lbs from all the different Philly cheese steaks joints we will hit while we are in the city.

    Hey Biddaddy, I will send you a Pats or Gino's steak if you can rush my order!

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    I just received my shipping notification a few minutes a go.
    UPS please be gentle, my bike has to make its way to northern NY.

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    Woo Hoo!

    Same here, Sounds like you live in an area that the bike will shine. I am in Delaware, so not so much. I do live near the highest point in DE, Iron Mountain, but the reality is that is mountain in name only.
    You and most other would consider a speed bump, if that.

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    Tracking # in my mailbox this morning! Super-stoked!

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    Woot! Glad you guys are stoked! Can't wait to hear about your first rides.

    OilburnerDe, did you choose your screen-name because you happen to drive an air-cooled German vehicle?

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    Hopefully will get some shakedown runs next week before heading up to NH for the weekend. We'll see when the bike gets here, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschla View Post
    Christmas is tomorrow! Just got my UPS Choice email advising that my new Goblin will be here sometime tomorrow.

    On a side note, just wish it wasn't coming via UPS ... received my wifes Guardian last week and the box looked like it came thru a war zone and I'm just down the road in San Diego. Forutnately, no damage to the bike.
    WAR ZONE !!!! ?
    HAHAHAHAHA THAT'S FUNNY GLAD NO DAMAGE TO THE BIKE

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    Yeah, UPS has been inconsistent in careful handling of large product delivery here in the San Diego area. I think there are two factors here though. As manufactures seek lower delivery costs they appear to minimize product packing protection and put more reliance on transport services handling... then transport services reduce their handling costs in relying on customers to provide adequate packing protection. They both then accept what they believe are acceptable risk i.e. loss in both their business models.

    You just hope they both match up well and you are not on the losing end of their acceptable risk ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Woot! Glad you guys are stoked! Can't wait to hear about your first rides.

    OilburnerDe, did you choose your screen-name because you happen to drive an air-cooled German vehicle?

    Jeremy
    Almost correct. I did have a 73 S Beetle at one point. But I am an water cooled guy now.

    If interested:

    I am an original 90 Corrado owner Stg 4, P&P head and what not. Been off the road for years
    97 Passat TDI Stg 3+ diesel (hence OilBurner, not driving it at the moment)

    and a 06 GLI, with a few mods.

    I just started the plans of doing a motor swap and will be taking the motor and trans from the passat and transplanting into the Corrado. It is a very strong motor and driving like I stole it, returned 48 mpg;s in the heavy passat. It should be a beast in the lighter Corrado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Almost correct. I did have a 73 S Beetle at one point. But I am an water cooled guy now.

    If interested:

    I am an original 90 Corrado owner Stg 4, P&P head and what not. Been off the road for years
    97 Passat TDI Stg 3+ diesel (hence OilBurner, not driving it at the moment)

    and a 06 GLI, with a few mods.

    I just started the plans of doing a motor swap and will be taking the motor and trans from the passat and transplanting into the Corrado. It is a very strong motor and driving like I stole it, returned 48 mpg;s in the heavy passat. It should be a beast in the lighter Corrado.
    Cool! I'm a German car nut too! I know we're a little off topic so if we want to talk more about it I might take it into PM's. I've had multiple V-dubs over the years and have been a Porsche nut for the last 15 years. Here's my track/auto-x beast. OK, sorry about that, back on topic!
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    I have to say the 2 Airborne bikes I've had delivered to my door were packaged GREAT! It was ban enough waiting on it to show up and then it took me forever to get it out of the package, ha. But I'd rather it be that way over getting a damaged bike!

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    ... The Goblin just arrived and the box condition looks good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Cool! I'm a German car nut too! I know we're a little off topic so if we want to talk more about it I might take it into PM's. I've had multiple V-dubs over the years and have been a Porsche nut for the last 15 years. Here's my track/auto-x beast. OK, sorry about that, back on topic!
    Nice!

    Here is a pic of mine on the track.


    Its on the right, although it has been on the back of a flatbad one or two times...

    And here is another pic of it at a car show, along with something close to your heart.







    Bicycle related as there are two hatch/trunk bike racks in the back of it currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschla View Post
    ... The Goblin just arrived and the box condition looks good!
    Jelly!

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    The Goblin packing appears to be a step up from my wifes Guardian that I put together last week. Everything came together quite nicely however, it appears the derailers need some adjustment ... not wanting to move to large front ring and skipping rings in the rear. So, I am a noob ...

    Anyone recommend any particular online guide or YouTube video?

    Does the SRAM X7 2x10 setup have any particular detail I need to be aware of in adjustments?

    Performance LBS just happens to have a "Derailer How To Clinic" tonight ... probably good for a noob like me, eh?

    Thanks for any assist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Jelly!
    ... I just gotta' know what this means

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschla View Post
    ... I just gotta' know what this means
    Jealous!
    What size frame is that?

    Also, your first picture of the bike first pulled out of the box, brought back a flood of memories. Of the hundreds upon hundreds that I have unboxed in a past life.
    But none of those could hold a candle to this bike.

    I have always wondered if packing it like that is as much of a pain in the butt as unpacking it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschla View Post
    The Goblin packing appears to be a step up from my wifes Guardian that I put together last week. Everything came together quite nicely however, it appears the derailers need some adjustment ... not wanting to move to large front ring and skipping rings in the rear. So, I am a noob ...

    Anyone recommend any particular online guide or YouTube video?

    Does the SRAM X7 2x10 setup have any particular detail I need to be aware of in adjustments?

    Performance LBS just happens to have a "Derailer How To Clinic" tonight ... probably good for a noob like me, eh?

    Thanks for any assist!
    Looks awesome man! i am jealous, is that the 16 inch?

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    You guys getting new Goblins should know that I am sitting here with a big smile on my face. I know how fun it is to order something, wait and wait, finally the UPS guy shows up with a box. It is great that you are sharing the joy.

    Congratulations to all the new Goblin owners!!!!

    Ride the hell out of 'em.

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    DANG YOU THAT BIKE BEFORE ME !:d CONGRATSZZ!!!!!
    it's like i have the sickness where the kids are up & running the whole dang day & can't sit still i am in suriname can't wait to get mine !!!! october it will arrive so for now checking a few water bottle holder & spokes WHITE or GREEN still can't find some with a decent price & length

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    For a noob is it worth paying the extra few bucks for the New Goblin or would the original Goblin be enough bike to start with?

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    Pay the extra.

    The bigger front rotor is reason enough, but better tires and tapered head tube also much bettter than original.

    Personally, I prefer the New Goblin paint as well.

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    We are out of the 16" and 20" green Goblins, with only a few of the 18's and 22's left. Take that into consideration regarding your decision.

    I personally think the improvements made to the black Goblin make it worth the difference in price but I may be a little biased!
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    Tomorrow's the day! Now if it would stop raining over here and I can finish my car exhaust/oil change after work before it gets dark, I might be able to ride it tomorrow (for 10 minutes before nightfall)!

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    Mine is out for delivery!
    Not going into the office till later, supposed to get allot of rain today-night.
    Hopefully it gets here before I have to leave. Sad part is, I will not be home until sometime on Sunday, and will probably be to wiped out to even think about putting it together.

    Performance is having a 10% off everything including sale items today between 12 and 2, might stop by and pick up the Spindoctor stand, for when I get the chance to put it together and tune it.

    Good luck with yours and to everyone getting them this week!

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    Checking the details listing for the new Goblin fork. It was listed as dual air. Today, I don't see dual air listed as a modifier for the Reba model used. The green Goblin Reba model is the dual air Reba with separately adjustable positive and negative air pressures for fine tuning the ride. That is the RS 2012 model. Does the new Goblin have dual air adjustability or is it a solo air fork. RS has changed to solo air for all 2013 models-- in my opinion a step backwards. By adding 5psi more pressure to the negative over the positive value small bump plushness was tuned in for a smoother ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    Checking the details listing for the new Goblin fork. I don't see dual air listed as a modifier for the Reba model used. The green Goblin Reba model is the dual air Reba with separately adjustable positive and negative air pressures for fine tuning the ride. That is the RS 2012 model. Does the new Goblin have dual air adjustability or is it a solo air fork. RS has changed to solo air for all 2013 models-- in my opinion a step backwards.
    It's dual air,
    Airborne Bicycles. NEW Goblin

    From the specs row for the fork RockShox Reba RL 29 Dual Air w/Lock-Out, tapered steer, 100mm

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    This first batch of new black Goblins were made with the Dual Air, the last of RockShox 2012 stock. We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air.

    That means that after we sell out of this first batch and make another batch, those will be SIngle Air.

    Hope that makes sense,

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    Fork.... RockShox Reba RL 29 Dual Air w/Lock-Out, tapered steer, 100mm

    I see it now. Thanks. With the other 2013 bikes like the Scott 950 switching from a Reba last year to a Fox CTD this year Airborne made a very good choice to stay with the dual air Reba. That is the strongest component choice for any bike in this price range. Kudos to Airborne.

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    Thanks. That's why they keep me around!
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    Woot!

    Bike was delivered at 1:26 pm, about 5 minutes after I got home from picking up the Spindoctor G3 from performance.

    Box was in decent shape, slightly twisted (looking down from the top) and one tear\hole in the side.

    Have no time to open it and inspect it, or to simply just peak at it, as I am off to work. Depending on what time I get home on Sunday, ( Will need to watch some NFL goodness) I might tear into it to see if anything is damaged (most likely not, depending on what caused the tear) will give a full report if there is anything to be concerned about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    This first batch of new black Goblins were made with the Dual Air, the last of RockShox 2012 stock. We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air.

    That means that after we sell out of this first batch and make another batch, those will be SIngle Air.

    Hope that makes sense,

    Jeremy
    Hmm, another reason for me to order this sooner rather than later!

    I'm pretty sure I know which size I need but I'll measure myself tonight and give y'all a call later to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    This first batch of new black Goblins were made with the Dual Air, the last of RockShox 2012 stock. We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air.

    That means that after we sell out of this first batch and make another batch, those will be SIngle Air.

    Hope that makes sense,

    Jeremy
    Boy, I would find it painful to give up such an obvious and valuable advantage in the marketplace..RS should produce an oem version with dual air for you.

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    Brown Santa has arrived. While the bike arrived mostly intact a couple of observations:

    1.) My first thought was that this bike definitely was not packed nearly as well as my first Goblin. I even looked at the old box as it was so nice I kept it just in case I needed to ship a bike. I later found a really nasty scratch on the downtube to confirm that 1/2 way through assembly. It was a chip about the size of a pencil eraser. It looks a little better after I buffed it a little, but I'm still bummed.

    2.) Other than the hanger was a little "sprung" the derailleurs were much more closely adjusted that my original Goblin (just minor barrel adjustments). Somewhere along the way, the new spacer that clips in around the cassette was even smashed in over half of an inch on itself.

    3.) The cable routing is still HORRIBLE on this bike, but it's a known entity and I immediately shortened and rerouted the housings.

    4.) I didn't realize how much difference my carbon bar, Thompson seatpost, Truvativ stem, and Stan's Arch EX's made on the bike. My son's getting the original Goblin, but not those items

    5.) Brand new Geax AKA's are SLICK on wet, sealed asphalt. It woke me up

    6.) Building a SWEET bike while it's pouring hard enough to strangle frogs and knowing you can't really test it for a few days sucks.

    All in all it seems to be another awesome bike, but I'd definitely suggest going back to the original packing with the foam sheets and hard axle spacers. I'd bet it even saves Airborne a lot of money in long run.
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    If I order, how can I be assured I will get the Dual air fork? Will the listing on the website itself change? Because listing a dual air and getting a downgrade single would be a bit off.

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    These bikes are made in mass batches by the factory and the parts are spec'd out and procured prior to assembly. As long as you order one from this initial production run, you should definitely get one with dual air. However, I have no idea how many are in a production run or how quickly they sell out. If you wait a few months I suspect you may get the single air version.
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    Delivered and I'm stuck here at work... It's a nice sunny day out and might actually be semi-dry on the ground, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medel View Post
    Delivered and I'm stuck here at work... It's a nice sunny day out and might actually be semi-dry on the ground, too!
    You need to quit that job if you can't get away for something important like a new Goblin being delivered!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    You need to quit that job if you can't get away for something important like a new Goblin being delivered!!
    I know! It's not like I'm getting much work done while sitting here thinking about bikes

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    SO DID YOU QUIT ? lol

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    I can just see all of your co-workers standing on either side cheering you on as you walk out of the place with a multi-tool in one hand and a pedal wrench in the other.

    One of your co-workers says, "way to go Paula!!!!"

    Officer & Gentleman reference.

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    Well folks, my Goblin arrived today so i just got in after a little couple hour drive to pick it up at my works warehouse. The box was in excellent condition overall except for this.
    After further examination i think i got lucky and everything seems to be in tact. Now its build time. being a NOOB I may have some stupid questions coming your way but i hope she goes together as easy as the others here have posted.
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    Great for you!!!!

    Send more picts after the build!!!

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    now build build like bob the builder!!!! Xd
    can't wait to see how the bike will be & what is the size you got ?

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    john symos,
    Shes a 20 frame. So far things are going good. Bike is together just need to do some fine tweekin. Both brakes are squeakin a bit so i have to dial them in and I went to switch out the grips with some ODI's and found out i dont have the right size of torx bit to undo the break leaver from the handle bar. the Azonic 420's look pretty sic on er. I also need to properly torque everythig down but she will be ready to rock tomorrow.

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    Pics!!! Just ordered a Zeppelin Elite tonight

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    Too lazy to take good pics, but built, shifting smooth (minor FD/RD tweaks) and a quick 15 min or so in a parking lot since it was dark out. <3 my new Goblin! First bike I've had in a while that didn't feel super cramped (6'5", 190-200lb depending on day)

    Here it is in front of my "SUV"


    Still need to get a shock pump so it isn't all jelly on me. All grins over here, though

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    OK THANKS Sleevem1 . PERFECT! SOME GREEN OR WHITE SPOKES WOULD BE PERFECT WITH IT I THINK.... OR MAYBE NIPLLES
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    And here I was thinking green stripe on the car...

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    If it were me, I'd take the reflectors off.

    Just sayin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    If it were me, I'd take the reflectors off.

    Just sayin....
    I figure they'll break themselves off soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medel View Post
    I figure they'll break themselves off soon enough.
    Hopefully not on the trail but if it happens there, please pick up the pieces and take them with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Hopefully not on the trail but if it happens there, please pick up the pieces and take them with you
    If I had to guess, it'd be moving the bike in the back of a wagon. If the handlebar reflector gets ripped off while I'm riding, chances are I'll be picking up pieces of more than just a reflector

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    I know that bike companies have to install them for safety reasons. But reflectors have no place on a nice MTB like the Goblin.

    Maybe, on kids bikes or entry level MTBs or commuter bikes.

    But not on a 2x10 MTB with a tapered head tube and hydraulic brakes.

    The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Airborne Bicycles.

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    I thought it would be in my best interest to pull mine off last night before I get shunned from the MTB village of morals and ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    I know that bike companies have to install them for safety reasons. But reflectors have no place on a nice MTB like the Goblin.

    Maybe, on kids bikes or entry level MTBs or commuter bikes.

    But not on a 2x10 MTB with a tapered head tube and hydraulic brakes.

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    I think i've decided on getting the new goblin or a talon 29er 0. Specs seem on goblin are so much better though. Not sure about the talon frame vs goblin frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElDuderino2412 View Post
    I think i've decided on getting the new goblin or a talon 29er 0. Specs seem on goblin are so much better though. Not sure about the talon frame vs goblin frame.
    The Talon 29er 0 really compares closer to the Guardian in terms of specs and frame (but not price~).

    The Talon frame is similar to the Guardian frame reagarding materials, hydroformed tubing, and non-tapered HT.

    Hope that helps a bit~

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    Any chance Airborne decides to use the quicksilver frame color? I think that would look awesome! Thinking about getting one for myself as my own Christmas gift keke..

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    Quick Silver is frame color only, we aren't going to do completes in different colors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    This first batch of new black Goblins were made with the Dual Air, the last of RockShox 2012 stock. We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air.

    That means that after we sell out of this first batch and make another batch, those will be SIngle Air.

    Hope that makes sense,

    Jeremy
    I wanted to circle back to this.

    Last week we placed parts orders for the next batch of Goblins to be made in February. I can confirm that the new Goblins that will be made then will have the Reba RL Solo Air as RS is out of the Dual Air now.

    Due to the higher-than-forecasted sales, it looks like we will run out of this first batch of Goblins before the new batch is made. If you are interested in getting one before this change, I'd order one in the next month or so. After that we may go dark (run out) on a few of the sizes until the new ones come in.

    I guess its good for us we are selling more than anticipated, especially considering this is 4th quarter and bike sales in general for most companies are usually slow..........

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Last week we placed parts orders for the next batch of Goblins to be made in February. I can confirm that the new Goblins that will be made then will have the Reba RL Solo Air as RS is out of the Dual Air now.
    I'm curious, what is the rationale for sticking with RockShox and using solo air for the new batch? Why not switch to a different manufacturer and get a dual air from them? Are you contractually bound to RS for this model? Are you trying to keep the batches consistent in manufacture? New parts would change the price and you don't want to do that?

    As I said, just curious. I got my dual air black Goblin last week, so I'm good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorcherdarkly View Post
    I'm curious, what is the rationale for sticking with RockShox and using solo air for the new batch? Why not switch to a different manufacturer and get a dual air from them? Are you contractually bound to RS for this model? Are you trying to keep the batches consistent in manufacture? New parts would change the price and you don't want to do that?

    As I said, just curious. I got my dual air black Goblin last week, so I'm good to go.
    Honestly, some folks make a bigger deal of solo air versus dual air than it really should be. I've been riding a solo air Reba on my HobGoblin proto for 6 months and its been a great fork. Is dual air better? To me, it's a little smoother/plush, but the amount is probably not even noticable to 95% of the riders out there. But since I could still get some of the dual air's for these first two runs, I did.

    I can spec whatever I like, but I''m sticking with RockShox; not interested in changing or chasing after a different manufacturer. They make a great product and stand behind it with even more awesome customer service.

    Thanks.
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    I've had one local bike shop actually explaining to me how the SoloAir is better than the dual air. He was quite knowledgable of how the shocks were built, so I don't feel it was strictly a sales tactic. I can't remember all of the details of what he liked better, but the one I remember the most was that the SoloAir would be much easier for a novice to set up correctly. I'm inclined to think that for a perfectionist the dual air will be better. But for the guy who just wants to put some air in his shock and get going the solo air might actually be better.

    Now on to the Goblin. I've posted this elsewhere as well but thought it belonged here. I saw my friends Goblin last weekend and was very impressed. I loved the low bar on the 16" Goblin. It felt very out of the way. It really gave the bike a quick and nimble feel to it. All the components were also very top notch. There was a small part of me that was scared I would not like my Niner as much as I liked his Goblin. I think Airborne did a great job on the specs and all the components. Everytime I looked into the quality of components used for something I was always blown away at how Airborne has not cut any corners but always used the best for the price. I think Airborne sells themselves short by not listing on their website that the hubs are a cartridge bearing or that the wheels are the WTB Speed Disc i19s. I think more specifics on the website might be helpful. I know I was impressed with every detail of the bike. I honestly don't know how Airborne does it. And quite frankly I'll be surprised if they can continue to put such nice component sets together at such a great price. I'm half tempted to get a Goblin for my wife simply because I don't think these kind of deals can last forever. I sure hope that Airborne can continue to keep cost down and offer such nice component groups in the future. From the short ride I had on my friends Goblin, I'd say if your on the fence about buying one go for it. The components are top notch all the way through. And to top it off if you have any questions everyone I have ever communicated with at Airborne was friendly and helpful. Even though I purchased a used Niner instead of a Goblin, I would not hesitate to purchase a Goblin in the future.

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    Thanks so much for the kind words!

    It's no secret how we do it: we care a lot about what we put out there, and also work on low margins with no built-in IBD overhead costs.

    That's why when people call us up and ask for a discount or free shipping, there isn't room in there for us to knock $$ off and still keep our doors open. I guess we could artifficially inflate the pricing so that there is room for that, but it just doesn't seem right to do that.

    Hope you guys don't get too much snow this winter so you can get plenty of shake-down time on your new Niner!

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    Wouldn't you know that 2 days after I got my bike, we got about 1-2 inches of snow. It might be awhile until my buddy and I can shake down the Goblin and Niner. I just hope it melts this week so we can give them a run. If not, the snow will likely be here to stay until spring. Which in ND can be anywhere from April to end of May. Depending on the years snowfall. Its going to be a looong winter if I don't get a chance to really take it out at least once.

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    Sounds like a good excuse to add a fat-bike to your stable of bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Honestly, some folks make a bigger deal of solo air versus dual air than it really should be. I've been riding a solo air Reba on my HobGoblin proto for 6 months and its been a great fork. Is dual air better? To me, it's a little smoother/plush, but the amount is probably not even noticable to 95% of the riders out there. But since I could still get some of the dual air's for these first two runs, I did.
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    "not even noticeable to 95% of the riders out there."

    This is a simplification-
    Even if it were true it is a snapshot at most in the ownership history of a rider. People may start with this bike at a skill level where they may not notice many things.
    They ride.
    They love it.
    They improve. They begin to strive to improve more. They make changes. They adjust and may have to spend more money on different parts like tires and wheels. This is the reality of the majority of riders.
    Not just 5%.
    And that is why the dual air Reba is a component more than 5% would notice over their history with this bike. For the people who come on this forum it is more likely the reverse is true-- 95% of them would notice the difference. It makes this bike a performance standout in its price range. It is a good reason for its stronger than normal off season sales.
    So the solo air Reba may be an adequate fork, but it is a component downgrade for riders who look to purchase a bike they can learn and improve on over a couple years;
    " We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air. "

    "I can spec whatever I like, but I''m sticking with RockShox; not interested in changing or chasing after a different manufacturer. "

    RockShox made the change that you agree is to produce a product worse than the dual air Reba. You can't buy whatever you like because they don't have any more dual air forks. If you could get them you would.
    Maybe you could spec something that you and your customers would like but it looks like you would have to chase after a new source. Put in a range of testing and development to get something to improve the bike. Other manufacturing considerations like availability within a time frame and cost versus volume purchasing and customer service and warranty come into play.
    But that's what makes your job fun and how you do it is reflected in market response to what you produce. So we;ll see.
    As in the past Manitou is a realistic option and an actual improvement even the 5% would applaud. Maybe it can show up on an XO or carbon model. Putting it on the standard Goblin, though, would develop brand ties in riders as they develop and those are the strongest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    "not even noticeable to 95% of the riders out there."

    This is a simplification-
    Even if it were true it is a snapshot at most in the ownership history of a rider. People may start with this bike at a skill level where they may not notice many things.
    They ride.
    They love it.
    They improve. They begin to strive to improve more. They make changes. They adjust and may have to spend more money on different parts like tires and wheels. This is the reality of the majority of riders.
    Not just 5%.
    And that is why the dual air Reba is a component more than 5% would notice over their history with this bike. For the people who come on this forum it is more likely the reverse is true-- 95% of them would notice the difference. It makes this bike a performance standout in its price range. It is a good reason for its stronger than normal off season sales.
    So the solo air Reba may be an adequate fork, but it is a component downgrade for riders who look to purchase a bike they can learn and improve on over a couple years;
    " We did this on purpose because we felt the Dual Air feature was better than the coming Single Air. "

    "I can spec whatever I like, but I''m sticking with RockShox; not interested in changing or chasing after a different manufacturer. "

    RockShox made the change that you agree is to produce a product worse than the dual air Reba. You can't buy whatever you like because they don't have any more dual air forks. If you could get them you would.
    Maybe you could spec something that you and your customers would like but it looks like you would have to chase after a new source. Put in a range of testing and development to get something to improve the bike. Other manufacturing considerations like availability within a time frame and cost versus volume purchasing and customer service and warranty come into play.
    But that's what makes your job fun and how you do it is reflected in market response to what you produce. So we;ll see.
    As in the past Manitou is a realistic option and an actual improvement even the 5% would applaud. Maybe it can show up on an XO or carbon model. Putting it on the standard Goblin, though, would develop brand ties in riders as they develop and those are the strongest.
    Of course given the choice of whether to buy up the last of the dual air Reba's or use the new solo air ones, I made the decision to buy the dual air. Why wouldn't I?

    I happen to like the new Solo Air set up. I've been riding it for awhile now and compared to the other bike I have with the Dual Air Reba on it, the difference is almost imperceptable. I notice it because I am a total tech geek and a product manager. It's what I get paid to do. I'm also the same person who can notice 1-2 psi difference in my car tire pressure when the average person cannot.

    The slight difference is, in my opinion, worth it to move to the solo air chamber. It's certainly easier to set up, and has less that can go wrong with it over time.

    I would argue your point that the majority of users here on the forum can tell the difference.

    This is where we will have to agree to disagree. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargo1 View Post
    Wouldn't you know that 2 days after I got my bike, we got about 1-2 inches of snow. It might be awhile until my buddy and I can shake down the Goblin and Niner. I just hope it melts this week so we can give them a run. If not, the snow will likely be here to stay until spring. Which in ND can be anywhere from April to end of May. Depending on the years snowfall. Its going to be a looong winter if I don't get a chance to really take it out at least once.
    Why can't you ride it in the snow? I ride in the snow all the time. It's fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barheet View Post
    Why can't you ride it in the snow? I ride in the snow all the time. It's fun!
    I have not rode a bike in over 12 years but have been reading up and comparing bikes.

    for a beginner seeking to ride trail:

    how would you compare the guardian, goblin, and new goblin to similar bikes in the $600 to $1,000 price points?

    Do any of the 3 said Airbornes offer hydraulic lock-out forks?

    Having no experience working on bikes, how easy is it to assembly/prep bike out of the box?

    I am 6'1 and 190lbs.

    Should a beginner be worried about the 80mm travel vs 100mm travel?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barheet View Post
    Why can't you ride it in the snow? I ride in the snow all the time. It's fun!
    1) Trails will likley be closed if there is snow. Although its looking good for this weekend.

    2) I was referring to the snow getting deeper soon as well.

    3) Hey its a new bike, I need to baby it a little bit the first few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlynes View Post
    I have not rode a bike in over 12 years but have been reading up and comparing bikes.

    for a beginner seeking to ride trail:

    how would you compare the guardian, goblin, and new goblin to similar bikes in the $600 to $1,000 price points?
    From what I saw in the specs and looking at my buddies new Goblin. Nothing in a store compares to the goblin at $1000. The Goblin compares better to $1800 bikes when you break it down to all its individual components.

    Quote Originally Posted by dlynes View Post
    Do any of the 3 said Airbornes offer hydraulic lock-out forks?
    I'm not sure what you mean by hydraulic fork. As far as I know, all forks have oil. So you basically have either a spring fork or an air fork. The better of which is an air fork. I know the Goblin has a very good lock out air fork. I think the Reba is one of the best forks available from my research. My personal experience however, is very limited. But I liked everyone I test rode.


    Quote Originally Posted by dlynes View Post
    Having no experience working on bikes, how easy is it to assembly/prep bike out of the box?
    My buddy said it was easy. Pretty much just flip the stem the right way, put on the handlebars and attach the front tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by dlynes View Post

    I am 6'1 and 190lbs.

    Should a beginner be worried about the 80mm travel vs 100mm travel?

    Thanks,
    I know the new Goblin has a 100 travel. I believe the others do to. I can't tell you any more than that. I'm sure others will though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargo1 View Post
    1) Trails will likley be closed if there is snow. Although its looking good for this weekend.

    2) I was referring to the snow getting deeper soon as well.

    3) Hey its a new bike, I need to baby it a little bit the first few months.
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    From what I saw in the specs and looking at my buddies new Goblin. Nothing in a store compares to the goblin at $1000. The Goblin compares better to $1800 bikes when you break it down to all its individual components.



    I'm not sure what you mean by hydraulic fork. As far as I know, all forks have oil. So you basically have either a spring fork or an air fork. The better of which is an air fork. I know the Goblin has a very good lock out air fork. I think the Reba is one of the best forks available from my research. My personal experience however, is very limited. But I liked everyone I test rode.




    My buddy said it was easy. Pretty much just flip the stem the right way, put on the handlebars and attach the front tire.



    I know the new Goblin has a 100 travel. I believe the others do to. I can't tell you any more than that. I'm sure others will though.
    Thanks so much,

    knowing nothing about new bikes I am trying to compare what one offers that another doesn't (not even knowing what some of the items mean).

    I recall reading some forks were said to be mechanical vs others being hydraulic.

    then I assumed hydraulic must be better so maybe I should look for something that offers that...

    Looking over my notes...I think the haro was the only bike I noticed that offered the hydraulic lock-out at my price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlynes View Post
    Thanks so much,

    knowing nothing about new bikes I am trying to compare what one offers that another doesn't (not even knowing what some of the items mean).

    I recall reading some forks were said to be mechanical vs others being hydraulic.

    then I assumed hydraulic must be better so maybe I should look for something that offers that...

    Looking over my notes...I think the haro was the only bike I noticed that offered the hydraulic lock-out at my price point.
    Hey there, I think you are confusing brakes and forks.

    Disc brakes tend to be either hydraulic or mechanical. Hydraulic disc brakes have many advantages over mechanical disc brakes; the main ones being better modulation, more consistent braking because they don't need re-adusting as pads wear, and they are easy to set-up. For some folks they can be intimidating because of having fluid instead of a cable, but modern hydro brakes are very trouble-free and hands-off.

    Forks tend to be of three types: Elastomer, spring, or air (or sometimes a combination, like air and spring). They all tend to have their pluses and minuses, but for cross-country bikes, air forks (like the Reba on the Goblin) tend to be the best choice as they offer lots of tunability.

    The forks on the Guardian, older green Goblin, and black Goblin all have lock-outs.

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    Hey there, I think you are confusing brakes and forks.

    Thanks~!

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    What would be the recommended frame size for me,

    5'10"
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    Arm length 31"
    crotch to sternum 21"

    Going to order the Guardian for the wife and the New Goblin for myself on Monday, Can't wait.

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    I'm thinking an 18 would be what I'd need

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    Yeah you have almost the exact measurements as me and I ride an 18.
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    Does the new Goblin have the bend in the top tube? On the singletracks review of the bike it shows a bend in the top tube, but on the airborne site it doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Does the new Goblin have the bend in the top tube? On the singletracks review of the bike it shows a bend in the top tube, but on the airborne site it doesn't?
    Just the small size frame has the bend in the top tube!

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    Just got my new Goblin delivered today! Still in the box, hope to get it assembled tomorrow. Looks like the rear wheel and derailleur is already attached. I believe that is a change from previous packaging?

    Regards,

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    Pulled the trigger on a Goblin..should be here sometime this week..already havet some Black Flag wheels on stand by to go on it..a carbon handle bar and seat post and stem...gonna throw some ODI lock on grips on it..not sure about the tires as I have never used the ones that come on it...kinda like the Kenda SB 8s so debating about that one..

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    New Goblin Arrived

    Came home from work today and my new Goblin was waiting to be put together..like others have said this thing is packed excellent...took me longer to unpack and unwrap everything than it did to put it together..about 22 minutes to assemble once I got everything unwrapped..

    As ii sits right now it shifts pretty good...maybe a little tweaking needs to be done but I could go out and ride it..disc rotor on the front rubs a bit..no biggie..I just put the front wheel on and really did not take the time to make sure I had everything centered up...

    The thing looks solid...pictures really do not do it justice..looks tight in person..will throw the new wheels on it this weekend and some other goodies and take her for ride..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    Came home from work today and my new Goblin was waiting to be put together..like others have said this thing is packed excellent...took me longer to unpack and unwrap everything than it did to put it together..about 22 minutes to assemble once I got everything unwrapped..

    As ii sits right now it shifts pretty good...maybe a little tweaking needs to be done but I could go out and ride it..disc rotor on the front rubs a bit..no biggie..I just put the front wheel on and really did not take the time to make sure I had everything centered up...

    The thing looks solid...pictures really do not do it justice..looks tight in person..will throw the new wheels on it this weekend and some other goodies and take her for ride..
    Looks great!! Willing to post a photo (and weight) when you get the new carbon and BF wheels on??

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    Looks great!! Willing to post a photo (and weight) when you get the new carbon and BF wheels on??

    Will do...

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    Pulled the trigger on a 22" Black Goblin this morning You guys at Airborne just had to dangle the green Goblin in my size out there at such a good price but in the end i felt the improvements on the black where worth the extra $$$ for my size and style of riding. Now the hard part begins waiting for the big brown truck without going

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    Well after braking my Sette and reviving the old Caloi and riding her till she was about to snap. I finally was able to get a new bike. Santa's Elf with a brown fetish dropped her off Friday and I put her together Friday night. only have a quick ride in on the ice of my street so far but hope to see some frozen trail latter today. Have already started tinkering with the build slightly replaced the bars and seat post with much lighter ones put on some Ergon GP1 grips and set up the wheels Gorilla tubeless. I'm sure some more bits and pieces will find themselves lightened up as time and $$$ find themselves available but these parts were in the parts bin so only smart to use them. Vary impressed with the frame and components were impressive for the $$$ I had full X7 on my last bike but the newer version has defiantly seen some trickle down. The wheel set was my bigest wory in buying the bike and i was alredy reserching what rims and hubs I was going to replace them with but after seeing in person they are much better and lighter than I could have hoped so they will be staying for a while. I am also pretty happy with overall weight about a 27lb 22" framed 29r bike. Especially when the Caloi 21" framed 26r was 32lbs. as measured on my digital bathroom scale. with Shimano SLX trail peddles. As for assembly Very easy and most riders could complete in under an hour. My self being a old bike shop mechanic went a little further and striped the frame and did a full build up ensuring that everything was lubed and torqued the way i liked it yes I'm a little OCD on by bike stuff.

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    Looks great TMJ! Thanks for the info, I'm just waiting till after the holidays to ordered a couple of them. Good to see someone fairly close to me on here.

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    My first ride today in years with my new beast the Goblin. You know you have something good if you don't have to think about what is under you and you can just pay attention to the trail. Love this thing

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    Was out on the trail today and saw one of the older Goblins...man that green pops on those..hope Airborne uses more of that green in some of there other bikes..

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    Just assembled my new 20" Goblin today..."Merry Christmas to me". Bad weather today, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to take her for a spin. Anyone else get any shiny new Airbornes for Christmas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brnd72 View Post
    Just assembled my new 20" Goblin today..."Merry Christmas to me". Bad weather today, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to take her for a spin. Anyone else get any shiny new Airbornes for Christmas?
    How tall are you, what's your inseam etc? Tryin to figure out if I need the 18 or 20. Did you go sit on any bikes at a retailer that has similar geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    Was out on the trail today and saw one of the older Goblins...man that green pops on those..hope Airborne uses more of that green in some of there other bikes..
    I saw that same bike, man was that guy good looking or what? Next time we ride, I'm sure you'll be on the new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FullsizeMike View Post
    I saw that same bike, man was that guy good looking or what? Next time we ride, I'm sure you'll be on the new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    How tall are you, what's your inseam etc? Tryin to figure out if I need the 18 or 20. Did you go sit on any bikes at a retailer that has similar geometry?

    I have a 35" inseam barefooted, I'm 6'2" and I've got about 2 inches clearance over top tube.
    I test rode a 2011 Trek Cobra, but it was way too small for me (17.5 frame)...I could ride it with the seat waaaay up. looked kinda funny.
    I didn't like the geometry of the 19" Trek Marlin, very sluggish turning radius.
    I looked at Specialized, Giant & Trek...all had crappy component setups...felt like I was just paying top dollar for the brand name only. I've been totally impressed thus far with the New Goblin...gonna take it to the trails tomorrow...see what she can do. I'm really want to check these tires out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brnd72 View Post
    I have a 35" inseam barefooted, I'm 6'2" and I've got about 2 inches clearance over top tube.
    I test rode a 2011 Trek Cobra, but it was way too small for me (17.5 frame)...I could ride it with the seat waaaay up. looked kinda funny.
    I didn't like the geometry of the 19" Trek Marlin, very sluggish turning radius.
    I looked at Specialized, Giant & Trek...all had crappy component setups...felt like I was just paying top dollar for the brand name only. I've been totally impressed thus far with the New Goblin...gonna take it to the trails tomorrow...see what she can do. I'm really want to check these tires out.
    Thanks, I'm 6' with a 32" inseam so I'm thinking the 18" will be good for me. I agree with paying for the big brand names. This new goblin seems to be the best bang for the buck.

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    Well I've had a couple of good rides thus far & love my new Goblin!
    I really love the 2x10 drivetrain...much more efficient than my previous 3x9.
    The geometry works great for a 20 inch frame, only slightly less nimble than my 19" 26er...still able to throw down in the twisty sections.
    I had my initial doubts about the tires, seeing the similarities to the SB8s I didn't think they would stick for the type trail surfaces here in south Alabama. (loose sand mixed with hardpack & lots of wet roots thrown in)
    The AKAs handled beautifully, like riding on rails with a touch of slack without losing control...never slid out front or rear. Great choice Airborne!
    I haven't been able to dial in the fork yet, got to buy a pump. The preset pressure is rideable but still a bit too stiff.
    I immediately changed a few parts on day one : stem, bars & grips...for weight and comfort I used my shorter stem and carbon riser bars. I also got a set of ergon grips for comfort.
    So far I'm loving the new Goblin....I'll post any new findings as I get everything dialed in.
    Let me know if anyone has any specific questions...for those of you still thinking of pulling the trigger.
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    I'm planning on getting the new goblin in a few months. I don't have and questions now (pertaining to the bike) but ill be sure to check back from time to time.

    Any idea what pump you will buy for the front shock?

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    Looking at this one on pricepoint.com :
    Sette Air 2 ST-35 Universal Shock Pump at Price Point

    Unless anyone has any suggestions....it's cheap & functional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brnd72 View Post
    Looking at this one on pricepoint.com :
    Sette Air 2 ST-35 Universal Shock Pump at Price Point

    Unless anyone has any suggestions....it's cheap & functional.
    That looks really good. I have the Rockshox version but it lacks the "disengagement without leakage" feature which is really nice. It doesn't take much leakage to change the pressure significantly.

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    been using the sette pump for 3 years with no issues being able to take pump off without effecting the pressure is a big + in my book

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    Took em out for a cold ride today

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    TEXting what do you think of the black flags and how much of an improvement over the stock wheelset do you think they are. your the 4th airborne I have seen change out to black flags. so far I have found the stock wheelset to be far better than I had expected not in the same ballpark as the I9s I had on my 26r but dang good for stock. I hope to relace the I9s later this year if I can find the cash some green spoke bling would really pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMasonJones View Post
    TEXting what do you think of the black flags and how much of an improvement over the stock wheelset do you think they are. your the 4th airborne I have seen change out to black flags. so far I have found the stock wheelset to be far better than I had expected not in the same ballpark as the I9s I had on my 26r but dang good for stock. I hope to relace the I9s later this year if I can find the cash some green spoke bling would really pop.
    TMJ, I have the same Black Flag Comps as well as a set of Stan's Arch EX's and it's a noticable improvement over the stock wheels. I've also taken the wheels from the new Goblin ghetto tubeless (Gorilla tape & Stan's valves) and that also makes a big difference.

    FWIW, I picked up the Black Flags on sale at Performance for <$300 and gave $550 for the Arch EX's. For the $250 difference, I'd take the Flags any day.
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    Same as TreeKiller I got mine on sale so I pulled the trigger on them...and there is a noticeable improvement over the stock wheels...I also have a pair of I9s laced to Arch rims (26) and where going to rebuild a set of (29) wheels with those hubs and may still do it later on..but for value to performance the Black Flags are a great value...I also have a set of Ringle Charger Pro's I am running on a all mountain rig with a 20mm Maxle..I really like the Ringle wheels...they come with everything to in the box to set up tubeless and run different axle options..

    I will say the stock wheels on the Goblin are better than I thought they where going to be for a stock wheel...and so far overhaul the entire Goblin seems like a heck of a bike and a buyer definitely gets the value for the price of the bike

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    Thanks for the info TXTony and TreeKiller. I had just seen so many with he black flags that i had to ask. You both seemed to get them at a pretty good value if i find them at that i might pull the trigger myself. Otherwise next time I have the money the I9's will get built into big boy wheels and I know they are light and bombproof.

    Have a good New years

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    Thanks for the info TXTony and TreeKiller. I had just seen so many with he black flags that i had to ask. You both seemed to get them at a pretty good value if i find them at that i might pull the trigger myself. Otherwise next time I have the money the I9's will get built into big boy wheels and I know they are light and bombproof.

    Have a good New years
    No doubt the I9s/Arch set up will be a superior wheel...those are the best wheels I have ever had...the Goblin being my fist 29er I have tried to keep everything around a certain budget until I decide if it will be a main ride or something I use here and there..I am still one of those dudes who has not given up on the 26er...but every time I take the Goblin out for a ride I keep finding myself really enjoying this bike..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    Took em out for a cold ride today
    That looks great! Nice shots. Do you mind if we "borrow" one for our main Facebook page photo one day?


    Thanks for the info TXTony and TreeKiller. I had just seen so many with he black flags that i had to ask. You both seemed to get them at a pretty good value if i find them at that i might pull the trigger myself. Otherwise next time I have the money the I9's will get built into big boy wheels and I know they are light and bombproof.
    I'm definitely north of 200lbs and I've been riding the Black Flag Pro's for awhile and really like them. Crossmax 29's used to be my favorite 29 XC wheelset but the BFP's really are just as good. Super stiff and light, pretty bombproof unless you do something really stupid (don't ask!) in which case no wheel will hold up. Plus as an added benefit the freehub has great engagement and sounds nice and "chainsawy" in the woods.

    Happy New Year!

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    That looks great! Nice shots. Do you mind if we "borrow" one for our main Facebook page photo one day?




    I'm definitely north of 200lbs and I've been riding the Black Flag Pro's for awhile and really like them. Crossmax 29's used to be my favorite 29 XC wheelset but the BFP's really are just as good. Super stiff and light, pretty bombproof unless you do something really stupid (don't ask!) in which case no wheel will hold up. Plus as an added benefit the freehub has great engagement and sounds nice and "chainsawy" in the woods.

    Happy New Year!

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    Yep use the pictures however you want...thanks!

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    Tony, next time we're out, we should get a pic with both of them in it. I'm sure that'd be a cool pic for Airborne.

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    Went for a solo ride today, once again nothing but good things to say about the new Goblin. It definately loves "Goblin" up some singletrack!
    BTW...the trail pictured below had the Purdiest Mouth ya ever saw!
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    Tony, next time we're out, we should get a pic with both of them in it. I'm sure that'd be a cool pic for Airborne.
    Yep..I took the photo opportunity while you where grinding the hill and I was pacing myself !!

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    We had our annual New Years day ride here in KC today a beautiful 18*f and around 50 of the nicest people you could want to meet came out to play in the snow. The goblin was a blast and got quite a few head turns and inspections by other rides. I'm sold on 29r's now and even more I'm sold on the Goblin. Only complaint is the front tire would start to drift in tight corners over 16mph but then again we were on snow. Now at the same time the back tire was amazing climbing the hills in the snow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailMasonJones View Post
    We had our annual New Years day ride here in KC today a beautiful 18*f and around 50 of the nicest people you could want to meet came out to play in the snow. The goblin was a blast and got quite a few head turns and inspections by other rides. I'm sold on 29r's now and even more I'm sold on the Goblin. Only complaint is the front tire would start to drift in tight corners over 16mph but then again we were on snow. Now at the same time the back tire was amazing climbing the hills in the snow.

    That's an awesome pic! Can we steal....err......borrow that one for our Facebook page sometime?

    That front tire drifting is totally normal when riding in snow. I even have that on my fatbike with 4" wide snow tires on it. If you ride in snow enough you start to learn the limits of grip and how to use body english when going around corners. I love riding in the snow this time of year because it hones my handling and balance skills.

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    We posted this earlier on Facebook but I wanted to let you guys here know.

    If you are thinking about a 16" Goblin, we are out until early March. We are also starting to run low on 18's so those will probably run out next.

    Our Goblin sales have greatly exceeded our expectations and we didn't forecast selling this many bikes so quickly.

    Thanks so much for all of the support, and we'll let everyone know when they are back in stock in March!

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    I'm definitely planning on buying the new goblin (probably in 18") in a couple months (which is March), so hopefully you have them then.

    Is the goblin xo going to be anywhere near the price of the hobgoblin ($1700)? I don't think I need that much bike but was just curious. I think the goblin is the perfect setup for me (and apparently a lot of others around the same height lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    I'm definitely planning on buying the new goblin (probably in 18") in a couple months (which is March), so hopefully you have them then.

    Is the goblin xo going to be anywhere near the price of the hobgoblin ($1700)? I don't think I need that much bike but was just curious. I think the goblin is the perfect setup for me (and apparently a lot of others around the same height lol)
    We should be OK on them when you are ready to order. Our replenishment run should be done and in the warehouse by the second week in March provided that there isn't another dockworker strike, hurricane, tsunami, or some other catastrophe.

    The Goblin X0 is going to be more than the current HobGoblin, but still a storming value for what it is. We are working on the page and photos right now and should have things up and running for pre-orders soon. It's a lot of bike for the money, but you also can't go wrong with the regular Goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    That's an awesome pic! Can we steal....err......borrow that one for our Facebook page sometime?

    That front tire drifting is totally normal when riding in snow. I even have that on my fatbike with 4" wide snow tires on it. If you ride in snow enough you start to learn the limits of grip and how to use body english when going around corners. I love riding in the snow this time of year because it hones my handling and balance skills.

    Jeremy
    #1 Yep if you see a pic i post and like it feel free to post it up facebook way any time you want.

    #2 You are absolutely correct my statement was at least 50% tongue in cheek and i will hold any final judgment until i have quite a few miles of nice dirt under the tires so far i have 153 miles of snow and ice under her tires. I am thinking that The AKA's may be my new favorite tire I know most on that ride were not hooking up near as well on the short steep gully climbs and it takes one hell of a tire to grip in the snow and ice on front with a 6'5" 260lb lever trying to pry it loose.

    #3 One of the things that made me buy Airborne was your interaction with the public here and on face book. Don't change You keep that up and it will be more than just 2 sizes of one bike you wont be able to keep in stock.

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    What about Goblin frames...how are you guys on them stock wise..thinking if getting just a frame to build up a gravel grinder type rig with a rigid fork...like size 18...so stoked on my current Goblin I want to build up one from scratch and see what I come up with

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    #3 One of the things that made me buy Airborne was your interaction with the public here and on face book. Don't change You keep that up and it will be more than just 2 sizes of one bike you wont be able to keep in stock.
    Thanks a lot! Its great to hear feedback like that.

    What about Goblin frames...how are you guys on them stock wise..thinking if getting just a frame to build up a gravel grinder type rig with a rigid fork...like size 18...so stoked on my current Goblin I want to build up one from scratch and see what I come up with
    No worries, stock is good on framesets for now.

    I built up a silver frameset for myself a month or so ago and really love it. I have a black one too and I hate to say it but..............I think I like the silver better. That says a lot coming from a guy who generally owns only black bikes for the most part. But I also love the orange that we are using for the HobGoblin frameset too since I built up one of those. I guess my tastes are changing~!

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    Hey riders....I purchased my New Gobling in 20" and like it a lot. I am 6-1 and 190 lbs. Maybe could have gone with the 18" but after riding other 18" hardtails---felt that would be too small.

    Nonetheless, I am looking to upgrade the seatpost and handlebar to carbon? Any suggestions as I am new to the carbon world! Thanks much in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoWolfpack View Post
    Hey riders....I purchased my New Gobling in 20" and like it a lot. I am 6-1 and 190 lbs. Maybe could have gone with the 18" but after riding other 18" hardtails---felt that would be too small.
    FWIW, I'm 6'2" (about 34" inseam), about the same weight, and have had my green 20" Goblin since August with about 800 singletrack and road miles on it so far. 20" feels just right for me. I can still easily get behind the seat when needed. The thing handles.

    I'm thinking about a lighter/wider bar, and a lighter seatpost... Probably a Thomson Elite because I like their clamping mechanism and they look really nice.

    The one question I have is, is the stock Goblin seatpost considered a 'setback' post and if so, how much is the setback? I measured ~2 cm, so, if I want the same geometry, do I go with a 20 mm setback post? This is probably totally obvious, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoWolfpack View Post
    Hey riders....I purchased my New Gobling in 20" and like it a lot. I am 6-1 and 190 lbs. Maybe could have gone with the 18" but after riding other 18" hardtails---felt that would be too small.

    Nonetheless, I am looking to upgrade the seatpost and handlebar to carbon? Any suggestions as I am new to the carbon world! Thanks much in advance.
    At 6'1", unless you have some odd body proportions I would have recommended a 20" so I definitely think you bought the correct size. I'm the same height and that's the size Goblin that I ride.

    I've been digging the FSA SLK carbon stuff lately. I've been riding their seatpost and low-rise riser bars and love them. The bend on the bars is perfect and made this old-school flat-bar guy a believer in low-rise riser bars. They also make them in flat format as well.

    I'm thinking about a lighter/wider bar, and a lighter seatpost... Probably a Thomson Elite because I like their clamping mechanism and they look really nice.

    The one question I have is, is the stock Goblin seatpost considered a 'setback' post and if so, how much is the setback? I measured ~2 cm, so, if I want the same geometry, do I go with a 20 mm setback post? This is probably totally obvious, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.
    Yep, that's what you would want to buy, the 20mm setback Thomson post. I also like Thomson stuff a lot; I've got their 410mm post on my personal HobGoblin and its been bullet-proof. I like how they butted the post (more material in the front and back and less on the sides). And honestly the alu Thomson post is about as light as many cheaper carbon posts on the market. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a carbon post is damp vibrations, but for a lot of folks that isn't what they are looking for anyway.

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Yep, that's what you would want to buy, the 20mm setback Thomson post. I also like Thomson stuff a lot; I've got their 410mm post on my personal HobGoblin and its been bullet-proof. I like how they butted the post (more material in the front and back and less on the sides). And honestly the alu Thomson post is about as light as many cheaper carbon posts on the market. The only thing it doesn't do as well as a carbon post is damp vibrations, but for a lot of folks that isn't what they are looking for anyway.

    Hope that helps!

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    As always, very helpful. Thanks Jeremy! Yeah, the aluminum Thomson posts are very light. I'll be picking up one of those posts in the near future... First things first... I have a set of Mavic Crossride ST wheels on order for my Goblin that I'm really stoked about. I'll be sure to post a pic on the modified Airborne bikes thread once they're on.

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    I'm assuming there won't be pedals with the Goblin XO; recommend a good platform pedal for it?

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    I like my Wellgo MG-1's. Can be found for about $40 online and they're really grippy and light. I think the green ones would look awesome on the Goblin XO. Or the gold ones if you want to accent the XO bits.

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    I have some white MG-1s on my green Goblin and they're smooth and grippy.

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    Anybody know if the Geax AKA tires on my goblin are compatible with Stans ZTR Crest tubeless wheels?

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    Anybody know if the Geax AKA tires on my goblin are compatible with Stans ZTR Crest tubeless wheels?
    They should I used them on my Black Flag wheels pretty much same set up as the Stans...no problems at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    They should I used them on my Black Flag wheels pretty much same set up as the Stans...no problems at all
    +1 I ride Charger Pros with AKAs, no problem, they are Stans BST type wheels too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    They should I used them on my Black Flag wheels pretty much same set up as the Stans...no problems at all
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    +1 I ride Charger Pros with AKAs, no problem, they are Stans BST type wheels too.
    Thanks, looked like they were according to Stan's site. Just wanted to make sure.

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    So this weekend I put on a carbon handlebar I purchased from Nashbar:

    Nashbar CF-250 Carbon Riser Bars - Normal Shipping Ground[Ljava.lang.String;@2ad12ad1#ReviewHeader

    It made a nice difference of the standard handlebar and I like the low rise of it. I am 6-1 and love my Large (20") size Goblin, but wondered if it was a tad too big. After installing the low rise bar AND moving the saddle rails forward in the seatpost, I see a big difference. Very happy now.

    I am now looking for a carbon seatpost. Thanks everybody for ideas and opinions.

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    Just thought i would let future Goblin owners know what they could face if left untouched. Real bad cable rub on my nice fork.This was about after a weeks worth of riding. I read about the cables being cut to long, but thought it would be fine. Well i re-routed and shortened both shifter cables and set them up so they route to the opposite side of the frame like my Trek. The hydraulic lines seem to be fine. Had to touch up the spots with black nail polish.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenkeep View Post
    Just thought i would let future Goblin owners know what they could face if left untouched. Real bad cable rub on my nice fork.This was about after a weeks worth of riding. I read about the cables being cut to long, but thought it would be fine. Well i re-routed and shortened both shifter cables and set them up so they route to the opposite side of the frame like my Trek. The hydraulic lines seem to be fine. Had to touch up the spots with black nail polish.
    Can you show us a picture of what you mean by routing to the opposite side of the frame? I'm fighting this too.

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    If you look at your bike from the front you will notice that the shifter cables are routed down the the same side of the frame. This is causing excessive rubbing. What you want to do is criss-cross the cables. Looking from the front-

    Left shifter to right side of frame
    Right Shifter to left side of frame

    You should start by adjusting your brake levers and shifter to exactly where you like them first. Then disconnect the shifter cables at the front and rear derailleure by loosening the securing bolts. Remove the cables. You will then need to remove a little excess length (approx 2.5 in) from each of the shifter cable closest the shifter (the longer ones). The smaller sections toward the rear need just a touch nipped off. I also used a couple pieces of clear packing tape where the cables hit the head tube and where the top and down tube are. The goal is to leave just enough slack so the handle bars can do a full 180 (just in case of accidents). I will post some pics soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenkeep View Post
    If you look at your bike from the front you will notice that the shifter cables are routed down the the same side of the frame. This if causing excessive rubbing. What you want to do is criss-cross the cables. Looking from the front-

    Left shifter to right side of frame
    Right Shifter to left side of frame

    You should start by adjusting your brake levers and shifter to exactly where you like them first. Then disconnect the shifter cables at the front and rear derailleure by loosening the securing bolts. Remove the cables. You will then need to remove a little excess length (approx 2.5 in) from each of the shifter cable closest the shifter (the longer ones). The smaller sections toward the rear need just a touch nipped off. I also used a couple pieces of clear packing tape where the cables hit the head tube and where the top and down tube are. The goal is to leave just enough slack so the handle bars can do a full 180 (just in case of accidents). I will post some pics soon
    Thanks. I'll try that.

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    When u cut the excess it gives a cleaner look and keeps the cable off the shock. My Trek had really good routing so i used that as my guide. What they did made sense and minimizes wear on the frame. The brake lines are a little long but will do. They are not as big an issue as the two shift cables. Don' forget to cut off the excess cable at the derailleur's. Airborne should have supplied you with two butt ends to terminate the bare wire with your bike. Hope this helps.





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    Thanks again. I've got a cable cutter on order. Then I'll launch into doing the same.

    Looks a lot cleaner too, by the way.

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    I think I've adressed the "long" cables on here before, but in case someone missed it:

    The cables are the length they are based on the length needed if someone runs a long, positive stem in the upward position, also allowing for the bars to spin 180degrees in a crash without kinking the cable. What we don't want is a customer to buy a bike with cables too short for their needed fit set-up or style.

    Every size has different length cable sets due to different TT, and in the case of the XL size, HT lengths.

    Thanks.
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    Thanks Jeremy, but i will have to say even with a 120mm stem with a steep rise the cables would still be excessive. Aside from that the routing of the cables are incorrect. Not a big deal but left uncorrected the result will be like my pics above. Great bike none the less!

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    Thanks for your kind words about the bike!

    I have to respectfully disagree on the cable routing. If the cables were routed the way that you would like, they would cross each other at the hydro cable and there will be extra friction in the system. It is not the recommended routing, and doubtful that your Trek was routed that way at the factory.

    More than likely your shop did that prior to purchase, as that is an old-school roadbike shift cable routing trick. However the roadbikes don't have a hydro cable running between them on the DT.

    I hope that makes sense.

    It's a no-win situation on the cable lengths. If we made them the length you want, someone would complain that they are too short when they put a long upward stem and wide riser bars on their bike. Better to put a little extra on there and let people personalize their lengths if they see fit.

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    Not to beat a dead horse(well maybe,ahah) The stock cable routing has both the rear hydro and rear derailleur lines going down the same side of the frame. Right away they are pushed against (quite firmly) the top portion of the fork. Each turn of the handle bars creates friction, so much so that the cables were actually cutting into the aluminum. Even if you kept the routing the same and changed over to a higher rise stem it would still hit because of excess cable. My daughters Trek is routed like the Goblin and it works in that bikes case because the handle bar has a very large rise allowing enough room for the cable to make the bend leaving enough room without touching the head tube much. Also the cable retainers on her bike are on the upper side portion of the down tube, not directly under the head tube at the crotch like on the Goblin.

    The front hydro line is ok and is not really an issue despite IMO being a little to long as well. The issue's are really just the other three lines. I think leaving the extra room is a great idea so you will not be limited when customizing the bike to your liking but i also think that the cable length is to long for the bike as it stands stock. Might be worth noting to customers that modification might be necessary and explain. Also i feel the added length may also be needed for shipping purposes(just an idea)The bike is beautiful and the last thing you want to see is damage like my above pictures with very little use. The fork alone is 400+.

    Also as side note, think about this if the cable is curved 180 degrees going down the same side of the frame every turn of the handlebar in the same direction will send the cable or cables into the head tube. Opposite routing will allow the cables to hang freely and when turning in the opposite direction will give room for the cable and push it out away from the frame and gently graze the head tube turning in the same direction. Just a thought
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    When we shuttle and ride parks on the DH bikes, the frames are subject to a similar sort of wear by consistent rubbing (racks on the lifts, tailgate bed, etc.). Frames are subject to all kinds of wear, cables or whatever. Look where the cables go inside the frame - anywhere where there is brief contact, there will be wear over time - regardless of cable routing.

    Lizard Skins makes a vinyl patches in various sizes that are great for protecting frames/parts from this very issue. We use it on our DH bikes to protect from wear as mentioned - I'm sure you can get off-brands, or even some other vinyl or poly-plastic thing sold for a completely different use. Using in on my Hobgoblin this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    When we shuttle and ride parks on the DH bikes, the frames are subject to a similar sort of wear by consistent rubbing (racks on the lifts, tailgate bed, etc.). Frames are subject to all kinds of wear, cables or whatever. Look where the cables go inside the frame - anywhere where there is brief contact, there will be wear over time - regardless of cable routing.

    Lizard Skins makes a vinyl patches in various sizes that are great for protecting frames/parts from this very issue. We use it on our DH bikes to protect from wear as mentioned - I'm sure you can get off-brands, or even some other vinyl or poly-plastic thing sold for a completely different use. Using in on my Hobgoblin this week.

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    Understood, yes this is normal for bikes. I have had several bikes and this was the first time i noticed anything like this. The cables were actually cutting into the fork, the lines almost lost enough insulation exposing the wire in the cable housing. On top of that the hydro line could have burst as well or leaked. This is not normal wear but poor routing and I have had the bike only week. I'm not trying to be a PITA, just trying to help make a great product that much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenkeep View Post
    When u cut the excess it gives a cleaner look and keeps the cable off the shock. My Trek had really good routing so i used that as my guide. What they did made sense and minimizes wear on the frame. The brake lines are a little long but will do. They are not as big an issue as the two shift cables. Don' forget to cut off the excess cable at the derailleur's. Airborne should have supplied you with two butt ends to terminate the bare wire with your bike. Hope this helps.




    FWIW, I have two Goblin's (Green and the new one) and set the Green up that way after fighting with it for a while, but it's been that way for nearly a year. The new Goblin has been set up that why from day one and I was a pre-order for those. I've had no problems and it actually shifts better than it did stock.

    I certainly understand no being able to please everyone, but I would expect it to match up more closely stock. It's not a big deal to me as by the second go round, I chucked the stock cables during the inital setup, but not everyone would consider shortening them part of the out of box setup. Unless someone is looking mount the shifters on a set of tri bars, lopping a few inches off of all the cables makes the most sense.
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    BDF, absolutely no offense intended. You know you guys rock and if it was raining money, someone would complain theirs was dirty.

    Greenkeep, after reading this again this morning while less tired, I wanted to clarify. I do NOT have the bare shift cables crossing under the top tube. I have the housing going to their original locations and the housings crossing right behind the head tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreeKiller View Post
    BDF, absolutely no offense intended. You know you guys rock and if it was raining money, someone would complain theirs was dirty.

    Greenkeep, after reading this again this morning while less tired, I wanted to clarify. I do NOT have the bare shift cables crossing under the top tube. I have the housing going to their original locations and the housings crossing right behind the head tube.
    Same here, here is some links for some better pics of what i actually did just so there is no confusion.

    BTW-The hydro line is not touching the fork(just looks like it, it's suspended in air)

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    Greenkeep,lovin your Goblin! Seems like an AWESOME deal. I have a 2013 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 but really want a hard tail again. I have my eye on this one but no funds currently. I figure if I pester the wife long enough she'll give in Enjoy the ride

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    Hey guys,
    So I just bought a new 20" black goblin and I'm loving it so far. So much nicer than my hardrock sport disc 29er! Anyways, I feel like the frame is a bit too large for me. The standover height is fine, I have about an inch of clearance to my crotch, but I feel like my arms a little far away and stretched out. I moved the seat all the way forward (while still angling flat), but its not enough.

    I was thinking about buying a new stem. It came with a 105mm stem, I was thinking of an 80 or 90 mm. What do you guys think? I'm 6' and 180-185 lbs.

    This ok: Easton EA50 Stem 2011 at Price Point ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuppie View Post
    Hey guys,
    So I just bought a new 20" black goblin and I'm loving it so far. So much nicer than my hardrock sport disc 29er! Anyways, I feel like the frame is a bit too large for me. The standover height is fine, I have about an inch of clearance to my crotch, but I feel like my arms a little far away and stretched out. I moved the seat all the way forward (while still angling flat), but its not enough.

    I was thinking about buying a new stem. It came with a 105mm stem, I was thinking of an 80 or 90 mm. What do you guys think? I'm 6' and 180-185 lbs.

    This ok: Easton EA50 Stem 2011 at Price Point ?
    That stem should work fine and at a pretty good price. If you want more bling after you are sure of the size you could always replace it. FWIW, I'm 5'10.11 and ride a 20" Goblin and just went to an 80mm stem. 20mm was noticable but not dramatic. I rode it with a 100mm stem for year but my back started bothering me on rides over 2 hrs.
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    Do both of you wish you had gone with the 18" frame?

    A while back I posted my measurements and I think Jeremy recommended the 18" (I'm 6' as well), I was thinking I would need the 20" as well but he had me second guessing. I'm still a couple months away from buying so I guess I'll have everything figured out by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panicstop View Post
    Greenkeep,lovin your Goblin! Seems like an AWESOME deal. I have a 2013 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 but really want a hard tail again. I have my eye on this one but no funds currently. I figure if I pester the wife long enough she'll give in Enjoy the ride
    Thanks, you will really enjoy the bike. It rides real nice, going out today after all the rain here in NY for a 13.5 mile trail ride.

    Also on a side note: I re-did the tubeless conversion because i realized my tires were not seated evenly on the rim using Stan's strips.I just went with Gorilla tape and American Classic Stems. Beads popped in nice and rides much better. If you go with the strips you will have to build up the rim channel on the WTB i19 rim due to its depth. Might have to use foam weatherstripping.

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    Is there a link I can read about this gorilla tape method? Or is it just replacing stans tape with gorilla tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Do both of you wish you had gone with the 18" frame?

    A while back I posted my measurements and I think Jeremy recommended the 18" (I'm 6' as well), I was thinking I would need the 20" as well but he had me second guessing. I'm still a couple months away from buying so I guess I'll have everything figured out by then.
    I am glad I didn't go with an 18. I have had 18/18.5" bikes in the past and prefer a larger bike. However, it's not all about how tall you are. I'm ~5' 10" and my son is ~6' 2" but have the exact same leg length. This should push me even more to an 18" but I've never been able to get comfortable on that size. It's so subjective that I would go sit on a couple of comparable bikes of each size and see what feels best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreeKiller View Post
    I am glad I didn't go with an 18. I have had 18/18.5" bikes in the past and prefer a larger bike. However, it's not all about how tall you are. I'm ~5' 10" and my son is ~6' 2" but have the exact same leg length. This should push me even more to an 18" but I've never been able to get comfortable on that size. It's so subjective that I would go sit on a couple of comparable bikes of each size and see what feels best.
    My inseam is 34", using the multiply by .67 and subtract 4 formula this puts me at a 19" frame. My arms are a little longer than most people's so I went with the 20" frame instead of the 18". I've only ridden once, and I felt a little stretched out. I ordered an 80 mm stem today, so I'm hoping that solves the problem. I'll reserve final judgement until it gets here and I try it out, but I think I would've felt cramped on an 18" and I'd rather have a shorter stem than longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Is there a link I can read about this gorilla tape method? Or is it just replacing stans tape with gorilla tape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuppie View Post
    My inseam is 34", using the multiply by .67 and subtract 4 formula this puts me at a 19" frame. My arms are a little longer than most people's so I went with the 20" frame instead of the 18". I've only ridden once, and I felt a little stretched out. I ordered an 80 mm stem today, so I'm hoping that solves the problem. I'll reserve final judgement until it gets here and I try it out, but I think I would've felt cramped on an 18" and I'd rather have a shorter stem than longer.
    Lol. Now I'm rethinking what frame I will be getting. I was set on the 18 now im thinking 20. I'm 6' with a 34" inseam also.

    Any ideas on comparable bikes that I could get on? There's a specialized dealer in town and I was thinking the carve comp would be a good one. Any others?

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    Trevor, where are you located? Are you close to us?
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    Jeremy, not close to you guys. I'm in Texas, just north of Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Jeremy, not close to you guys. I'm in Texas, just north of Austin.
    Trevor if you ever head up to the Fort Worth area PM me...I have a 18 inch Goblin you can check out to see how the fit is...I am 5'11.

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    Trevor, if you make it down to SA I have a 20" you can take for a spin.

    Never mind... It's a 22"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXTony View Post
    Trevor if you ever head up to the Fort Worth area PM me...I have a 18 inch Goblin you can check out to see how the fit is...I am 5'11.
    OK, thanks. What's your inseam? Normal length legs and arms for your height?

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    Never measured my arms...inseam is 34...I am one of those that can ride a med or large frame...I prefer med frame bikes vs large..I have 4 other mountain bikes and they are all med frame bikes...I usually run a 90mm stem except my all mountain rig where I am running a 70mm stem..

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    What's your reasoning behind riding medium vs large frames? Able to maneuver better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    What's your reasoning behind riding medium vs large frames? Able to maneuver better?
    Yep...even though I could ride a large the med fits me better as far as 26ers go...the Goblin is my first 29er and I can tell from the fit of this bike that the next size up would have been to big...but when I got my Moto (26er six inch travel bike) I could have rode either but liked how I could toss around the medium one better...so it pretty much came down to personal preference as to what I like and how I am going to ride that particular bike.

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    Tony, do you do any long riding on rocky/technical terrain? The trail closest to my house is a 26 mile loop that's fairly rocky and technical. I just want to make sure I'm comfortable and don't get lower back pain if I were to do the whole loop. I also go to a trail that is pretty much fast and flowy single track though so the right size bike would be ideal for handling that diversity if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor_b View Post
    Tony, do you do any long riding on rocky/technical terrain? The trail closest to my house is a 26 mile loop that's fairly rocky and technical. I just want to make sure I'm comfortable and don't get lower back pain if I were to do the whole loop. I also go to a trail that is pretty much fast and flowy single track though so the right size bike would be ideal for handling that diversity if possible.

    Yep we ride a variety of trails up here...and some long rides on the bike...it really shines on flowy hard pack type trails...have done a few rides on it that are near 30 miles...I will say as far as techy stuff any hard tail 26 or 29er is gonna be a little rougher than a full susp. rig...I have a buddy up here who rides a 18 Goblin as well and he has no issues either on the rocky stuff...but to be honest when the trails get rough I grab my FS rig..my buddy is 5 feet 11 also and rides a 18 inch as well..I also prefer the handling of a med frame vs a large frame for a person my height...but that is strictly personal preference...I know guys shorter than me who prefer large frames and ride them great...I think find a few 29er HTs and just sit on them and see how they feel..the geo may not be exact but it will give you an idea at least...I will say the Goblin has been one of the best bike purchases I have made in a while and as soon as I see the new Taka or replacement for it I may scoop one of those up...

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    Just ordered a set of these: Wellgo MG 1 Magnesium Pedals MTB DH BMX Flat Cage Green | eBay I know it's a popular pedal but I haven't seen them in green before. The green looks like a perfect match for the green on my black Goblin. Anyone else using them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeinMinn View Post
    Just ordered a set of these: Wellgo MG 1 Magnesium Pedals MTB DH BMX Flat Cage Green | eBay I know it's a popular pedal but I haven't seen them in green before. The green looks like a perfect match for the green on my black Goblin. Anyone else using them?
    I used to have a set of white ones that I loved but I loaned them to a friend for a DH run last year and he smacked a rock with one....and it basically exploded into several pieces.

    I realize that they aren't intended for DH so take that for what its worth. Probably for normal XC riding they are prefectly fine. They are nice and light and the pins offer a lot of grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I used to have a set of white ones that I loved but I loaned them to a friend for a DH run last year and he smacked a rock with one....and it basically exploded into several pieces.

    I realize that they aren't intended for DH so take that for what its worth. Probably for normal XC riding they are prefectly fine. They are nice and light and the pins offer a lot of grip.

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    Yeah, I had heard that about them. Getting a titanium spindle makes them even more delicate. But they are pretty cheap to replace compared to some of the other options out there. Plus, if I'm doing some DH, I'll just bolt on some of my other pedals. I really just wanted a fairly light pedal for XC that was pinned and came in the right color. This seems to fit the bill. We'll see...

    What pedals do you run now BDF?
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