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    Iron Horse reborn... as Airborne

    News (???) from my day at Sea Otter yesterday...

    I stopped by the Airborne tent. For those of you who don't recall, Airborne was a brand -- I believe out of Canada -- who specialized in Ti frames and hardware, and disappeared some years ago. I never owned one of their frames, which I heard were simply rebranded, relatively cheap Taiwanese units, but I liked their logo so bought one of their shirts (oooh!).

    Anyway, they're out of Ohio now and they had a whole slew of bikes to show, and none were Ti. I started talking to some of the guys and they said those might be coming. There are focusing now on a price ceiling of $2500, and really don't have much in common with the original Airborne other than the name (in fact, whole different logo and look).

    "How are you distributing?" I asked. "Something, something else, and RS Cycle."

    I must have made a funny noise or grimaced. "Is there something wrong with that?"

    It took that long for it to hit me. In fact, I was there with a friend who rides an IH Warrior, and their Marauder single-pivot was a near duplicate to his, right down to the color. "Oh. My. God." said Paul, got his camera out and suddenly became interested.

    "Iron Horse had a number of good designs and we're going to use them, and improve on them." (Something to that effect.)

    No DW link, but their Taka looks familiar, maybe like the old Yakuza.

    Anyhow, draw your own conclusions (I've obviously drawn mine). It'll be interesting to see who's all behind the scenes on this one and how the setup with RS Cycles works. I'm also curious how this is going to mesh with the the relaunch of the Iron Horse brand referenced in another post on this forum.
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    Yep, full on. Those bikes look like Worriors and the DH Taka is totally an Yakuza Kumicho.

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    Wow. The hardtails look terrible. This is depressing. With the Zeppelin, you get a Dart 2, coil rear shock, 8 speed drivetrain, Tektro mechanical discs,and a no name headset for $1,099.00. What is the world coming to? And as for those hardtails....don't even get me started.

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    where are the pics?

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    www.airborne.net

    Make sure you are sitting down before you look at the bikes. It's pretty pathetic. Their "top of the line" bike has Avid Juicy 3's and is $2,500.00. I sure as hell hope they come out with better bikes with better components for fair prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid
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    Make sure you are sitting down before you look at the bikes. It's pretty pathetic. Their "top of the line" bike has Avid Juicy 3's and is $2,500.00. I sure as hell hope they come out with better bikes with better components for fair prices.
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    Isn't it bad???

    Their hardtails are overpriced pieces of crap. I'm depressed now. Lol

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    In actuality, they're selling for a lot cheaper here: http://www.giantnerd.com/catalogsear...lt/?q=airborne
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    GiantNerd was their rep at Sea Otter, or they were sharing a booth, or something.... I didn't completely understand the arrangement.

    Which leads me to believe there's something more to GiantNerd than meets the eye. But, needless to say, I can't help but be skeptical of anything Iron Horse is involved in.
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    No rocket scientist here, but I'd say this is another RS Cycles BS fiasco waiting to happen. The products are $hittly spec'd, over priced, single pivot crap. RS has gotten smart and is now going after the "not so smart/knowldgeable" crowd instead of those who know a little better. I put money if you do a check you'll find giantnerd is owned by RS.
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    Giantnerd is definately RS by another name- unless they just happen to share the same address for their 'Super Sweet Showrooms'

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    Just checked the Airborne.com site. Those are Iron Horse frames! If Iron Horse has no future left as one-or-two Merriam Webster-types on this Board maintain, one must wonder what had kept Iron Horse in such a state of Negative-Growth. We will just have to let it play out.

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    These frames are just bought out of catalog from some company in Taiwan. IH never "designed" any of the single pivot stuff. Their DW stuff is a whole different story, might as well have been a different company. So anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that this Airborne company got ahold of the same catalog and are just renaming them... Pretty common for the lower end bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 888-rydr
    These frames are just bought out of catalog from some company in Taiwan. IH never "designed" any of the single pivot stuff. Their DW stuff is a whole different story, might as well have been a different company. So anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that this Airborne company got ahold of the same catalog and are just renaming them... Pretty common for the lower end bikes.
    100% completely FALSE. All of the SP-4/Maverick dual suspension, SP-5/Warrior dual suspension, SP-6/Sachem dual suspension, SP-7/Yakuza freeride, SP-8/Yakuza downhill, & YHT/Yakuza hardtail frames were from the ground-up designed by Iron Horse off prints submitted by _dw. The tooling was all to be proprietary, the mechanical tooling was specific to IH. Some of these frames, or elements of them, were spun off by ownership under Columbia, K2, and other private label names.

    Seeing that Airborne is owned by Huffy and Huffy is controlled by the factory who made many of these models for Iron Horse before the collapse, I'd say that's your answer.

    But, then again I could be completely off base

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd
    100% completely FALSE. All of the SP-4/Maverick dual suspension, SP-5/Warrior dual suspension, SP-6/Sachem dual suspension, SP-7/Yakuza freeride, SP-8/Yakuza downhill, & YHT/Yakuza hardtail frames were from the ground-up designed by Iron Horse off prints submitted by _dw. The tooling was all to be proprietary, the mechanical tooling was specific to IH. Some of these frames, or elements of them, were spun off by ownership under Columbia, K2, and other private label names.

    Seeing that Airborne is owned by Huffy and Huffy is controlled by the factory who made many of these models for Iron Horse before the collapse, I'd say that's your answer.

    But, then again I could be completely off base

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    Airborne Marauder on Pinkbike.com:

    http://www.pinkbike.com/news/airborn...tter-2010.html
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    I think Uncle_Jemima and 888-rydr need their own Iron Horse forum where they can e-fantasize about what the world would be like had the brand not gone under and become department store bikes.

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    Junk and a scam artist like RS Cycles...awesome future here!

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    This may be what RS is up to right now, but the Iron Horse name was bought by Dorel some time ago. I still expect to see that name in the future somewhere in their product line up.

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    That'll be Iron Horse in name only. Based on what Todd's saying, plus this connection with RS through GiantNerd, it would seem to me that Airborne is the "real" Iron Horse -- not in a good way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I think Uncle_Jemima and 888-rydr need their own Iron Horse forum where they can e-fantasize about what the world would be like had the brand not gone under and become department store bikes.
    Sure, that would work wonders for some. Make it, Bro! Then we can compare notes. What say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedub.Nate
    That'll be Iron Horse in name only. Based on what Todd's saying, plus this connection with RS through GiantNerd, it would seem to me that Airborne is the "real" Iron Horse -- not in a good way.
    Nah, those Warrior and Yakuza bikes did move. Iron Horse will reclaim itself.

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    Ehh....?

    In Internet speak, "coming soon" usually means "We won't actually put this website up until we are threatened to be sued." But I guess it gives us something to hope for.....
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    I thought it meant 'Coming Soon'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jemima
    I thought it meant 'Coming Soon'.
    The general rule for websites "Coming Soon" is that it takes a loonnng time for them to actually get the website up and running. Maybe this website will be the exception, but I can't say I see it up and running before mid July. I could be wrong, but I doubt it will be up within the next month or two. Just my $0.02

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    Better than a 2008 Website for 2009, never any routine Outerwear for sale, and no-Website-at-all to watch for.


    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid
    The general rule for websites "Coming Soon" is that it takes a loonnng time for them to actually get the website up and running. Maybe this website will be the exception, but I can't say I see it up and running before mid July. I could be wrong, but I doubt it will be up within the next month or two. Just my $0.02

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    The Iron Horse Forum used to be a great place with some of the nicest bikes on the planet. Now it's like waiting for the fat lady to fart-you know what you're going to get yet some still stick around to see just how bad it smells.

    I remember Airborne's Ti bikes. They were actually quite decent, but obviously didn't make an impact nor have the longevity like I-Fab and Moots.

    Given all the e-rumors here and the fact that the above the board RS Cycles is somehow back from the dead. I cannot see anything good coming about from either the reinvented department store Iron Horse brand or a dumbed down version of Airborne-which to me almost sounds like the Ibex model when it comes to price, quality and availability to a lesser extent.

    Even if the rumors posted here hold little or no truth, I can't see that brand making a comeback. Going from the DW-Link to a single pivot with mid to low range parts specs is kill joy at best.

    Tough to swallow and kinda sad. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd
    100% completely FALSE. All of the SP-4/Maverick dual suspension, SP-5/Warrior dual suspension, SP-6/Sachem dual suspension, SP-7/Yakuza freeride, SP-8/Yakuza downhill, & YHT/Yakuza hardtail frames were from the ground-up designed by Iron Horse off prints submitted by _dw. The tooling was all to be proprietary, the mechanical tooling was specific to IH. Some of these frames, or elements of them, were spun off by ownership under Columbia, K2, and other private label names.

    Seeing that Airborne is owned by Huffy and Huffy is controlled by the factory who made many of these models for Iron Horse before the collapse, I'd say that's your answer.

    But, then again I could be completely off base

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    I'm convinced that the only legit IH anymore is the one that Dorel puts out. Who would you rather buy from? The Devil, or a lesser evil?

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    Just to show the similarity between Iron Horse frames and those of other brands, look at a 2007 Iron Horse hardtail (any model as long as its a hardtail) and compare it to a Forge Sawback 5xx. Exact same bike, with the exception of the headtube.
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    If it's of any significance, Dorel acquired Cannondale in January 2009, and nothing has happened to that brand. They still make great bikes and continue to explore possible advancements of their bikes. Hopefully the same will happen to Iron Horse. Go on Dorel.com and read up on it if you want. Iron Horse was acquired on July 15, 2009 if you want to read the press release concerning this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid
    If it's of any significance, Dorel acquired Cannondale in January 2009, and nothing has happened to that brand. They still make great bikes and continue to explore possible advancements of their bikes. Hopefully the same will happen to Iron Horse. Go on Dorel.com and read up on it if you want. Iron Horse was acquired on July 15, 2009 if you want to read the press release concerning this.

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    I wouldn't say that nothing has happened to the brand. AFAIK Cannondale bikes are now for sale in Wal-Mart, which is a bad move for any brand that wants to be taken seriously, IMHO. They also stopped producing frames in the USA since then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid
    If it's of any significance, Dorel acquired Cannondale in January 2009, and nothing has happened to that brand. They still make great bikes and continue to explore possible advancements of their bikes. Hopefully the same will happen to Iron Horse. Go on Dorel.com and read up on it if you want. Iron Horse was acquired on July 15, 2009 if you want to read the press release concerning this.

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    ...and Iron Horse pretty much tanked itself prior to the change of ownership. Cannondale's most bankable asset was (is) its good name. Iron Horse's was its dw-link frames and winning Madcatz racing team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvibert
    I wouldn't say that nothing has happened to the brand. AFAIK Cannondale bikes are now for sale in Wal-Mart, which is a bad move for any brand that wants to be taken seriously, IMHO. They also stopped producing frames in the USA since then...

    Show me a wal mart with Cannondales and I'll crack mine in half on camera and post the video. They haven't produced their carbon frames in the US for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtailkid
    If it's of any significance, Dorel acquired Cannondale in January 2009, and nothing has happened to that brand. They still make great bikes and continue to explore possible advancements of their bikes. Hopefully the same will happen to Iron Horse. Go on Dorel.com and read up on it if you want. Iron Horse was acquired on July 15, 2009 if you want to read the press release concerning this.

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    Unless something's changed since the aquisition, the stated plans for the Iron Horse brand was for mid to entry level bikes being sold in dept. stores and large chain sporting goods stores. They've already appeared here in The Sports Authority sporting good store.
    The reason given was that they already had higher end brands within their family to fill the LBS niche and unfortunately, IH was relegated to a different market.
    Some people here will argue against what's already been reported in Bicycle Retailer And Industry News, but no one has posted up any evidence to the contrary yet other than pure speculation and wishful thinking.
    Until I read otherwise from a reliable source, my impression is that Iron Horse will become the new and improved NEXT brand of bicycles.

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    Dept stores vary. I mean Sports Authority, and Dick's sell bikes that are better than Next pieces. (and worse too) They could be more of a Diamondback type brand. I don't know, but some one said Cannondales would end up there and that made me angry.

    IH could be there. They've been in Dick's before along with K2s, but we'll just see. I was hoping they'd take over the heavy free ride section that they had before, but who knows. Dorel's diversified enough to do whatever they want at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider

    Some people here will argue against what's already been reported in Bicycle Retailer And Industry News, but no one has posted up any evidence to the contrary yet other than pure speculation and wishful thinking.
    Until I read otherwise from a reliable source, my impression is that Iron Horse will become the new and improved NEXT brand of bicycles.
    I think you're being too literal with respect to the brand name.

    It's as if somebody shoved a stick of dynamite up the horse's ass and blew its guts all over the place -- the Trademark ended up with Dorel, the frame designs ended up with Randall Scott Weidberg, Dave Weagle was blown clear of the whole mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd
    100% completely FALSE. All of the SP-4/Maverick dual suspension, SP-5/Warrior dual suspension, SP-6/Sachem dual suspension, SP-7/Yakuza freeride, SP-8/Yakuza downhill, & YHT/Yakuza hardtail frames were from the ground-up designed by Iron Horse off prints submitted by _dw. The tooling was all to be proprietary, the mechanical tooling was specific to IH. Some of these frames, or elements of them, were spun off by ownership under Columbia, K2, and other private label names.

    Seeing that Airborne is owned by Huffy and Huffy is controlled by the factory who made many of these models for Iron Horse before the collapse, I'd say that's your answer.

    But, then again I could be completely off base

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    I was going on an assumption. I stand corrected. I am surprised that IH designed all their own single pivot stuff, guess I wasn't giving them enough credit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I think Uncle_Jemima and 888-rydr need their own Iron Horse forum where they can e-fantasize about what the world would be like had the brand not gone under and become department store bikes.
    I don't really feel I need to e-fantasize about anything. I haven't denied nor do I really care that they are department store bikes now-a-days. Just sad to see a good brand sent down the toilet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 888-rydr
    I was going on an assumption. I stand corrected. I am surprised that IH designed all their own single pivot stuff, guess I wasn't giving them enough credit...
    So you just randomly assumed that a bike company didn't design their own products, because of..... what exactly?

    Let's just assume that Trek buys their bikes out of a Japanese bike catalog, because we all know the Japanese are more technologically advanced than everyone else in the world....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    So you just randomly assumed that a bike company didn't design their own products, because of..... what exactly?

    Let's just assume that Trek buys their bikes out of a Japanese bike catalog, because we all know the Japanese are more technologically advanced than everyone else in the world....
    Do you believe that every single bike company in the world designs every single bike they sell in house? And what does Trek have to do with anything?

    I was wrong, you are obviously right. I'm sorry, please don't e-flame me anymore...

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    RS Cycles is Giant Nerd.

    They are Yakuza and Sachem frames from what I have seen so far.... I am sure DW would like to know this since those are his designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 888-rydr
    Just sad to see a good brand sent down the toilet...
    Agreed. The Sunday was the best DH bike I've ridden/owned/raced.

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    Dave Weagle would have no interest in something he designed only for Iron Horse to produce as their own. He is DW INC. right? PM him, he'll tell you the same thing.

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    I am sure DW would like to know this since those are his designs.

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    my 2 cents

    Yakuza and Sachem are single pivot bikes not DW links, Sad to see the brand go to crap. Saw it coming a mile away. I guess we will see Airborne(sorry, had to laugh typing this) in a Sports Authority or Dick's. That is overpriced crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidNeiles
    Yakuza and Sachem are single pivot bikes not DW links, Sad to see the brand go to crap. Saw it coming a mile away. I guess we will see Airborne(sorry, had to laugh typing this) in a Sports Authority or Dick's. That is overpriced crap.
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    As I mentioned previously, I'm a Flight Crew member and I've recently received my brand new Airborne bike. Airborne has some sort of exclusive deal with Giant Nerd/RS cycles for the first year. I know that there was a lot discussed about RS cycle being crap.

    So far, my experiences:
    -with Airborne have been great1 I think they are making really good (but kind of heavy) bikes.
    -with RS cycle have left me frustrated. You can read about their so-called "pro build" here: http://www.gregridestrails.com/2010/...pro-build.html

    I hope Giant Nerd/rs takes the hint and shapes up. I'm also hoping Airborne diversifies after whatever exclusive deal they have expires.
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    I'll pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtbGreg
    As I mentioned previously, I'm a Flight Crew member and I've recently received my brand new Airborne bike. Airborne has some sort of exclusive deal with Giant Nerd/RS cycles for the first year. I know that there was a lot discussed about RS cycle being crap.

    So far, my experiences:
    -with Airborne have been great1 I think they are making really good (but kind of heavy) bikes.
    -with RS cycle have left me frustrated. You can read about their so-called "pro build" here: http://www.gregridestrails.com/2010/...pro-build.html

    I hope Giant Nerd/rs takes the hint and shapes up. I'm also hoping Airborne diversifies after whatever exclusive deal they have expires.

    I hope that Airborne diversifies starts using shots of thier own bikes in Airborne ads rather than chooching Yeti's. I didn't think it was true when I received that copy of BIKE mag and then saw the Thread linked.

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    Would you consider a Yakuza Aniki a short travel freeride bike? I'm in the market for one
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I hope that Airborne diversifies starts using shots of thier own bikes in Airborne ads rather than chooching Yeti's. I didn't think it was true when I received that copy of BIKE mag and then saw the Thread linked.

    Lame.


    Very lame.
    I agree there... we saw some of the photos for the ads shortly after sea otter, and were like, wait, how did they have bikes to ride? Apparently they shot the photos before any of the final production bikes were done. Still, couldn't they have used a prototype?
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    ok everyone needs to calm down. lets look at what this is, its a proven frame, with entry level components, for a great price (marauder $700). dont talk to me about RS, IH, or any other hollywood scandals you can come up with. who cares. i actually own a marauder and took it down some pretty gnarly stuff at bigbear/snowsummit and it handled everything great. its a good bike at a great price that leaves plenty of room for up grades. if the tools that spent 2 grand on their bikes are laughing at me as i get on the chair lift, i can laugh as im smokin 'em on the trail... after all its all about the rider, the bike is jus under you

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    "Calm down." "Who cares?" Sheesh, you're the one dragging up 3-month-dead threads on the IH forum...

    I don't disagree with you -- it is what it is no matter what brand name is painted on it, or hold long it's been around. But no matter, this design has an interesting history with two mildly scandalous companies, but none of that discussion is preventing you from enjoying your bike.
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    He's dragging it up because he's Randall Scott and can drag up his own threads if he wants.

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    ...and as they say, "any publicity is good publicity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by junktrunk
    He's dragging it up because he's Randall Scott and can drag up his own threads if he wants.
    see i thought RS or airborne or who ever was doin that with the "flightcrew" so thats why i posted a thread asking what people think about the bike who actually own it and arent in the "flightcrew". but bottom line is this is the internet and you never know who you are talking to. i can tell you tho i am not part of any company. i am a broke ass college student at UC santa cruz, who wanted a good bike at a good price. and i got that

    (check my facebook if you dont think im real http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=100000259857063)

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    wow AB has two new proto types on there fb page a DJ and a trail HT
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