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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    We are pleased to announce the coming of the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er.

    Based around an all new trail version of the Goblin frame with the following differences from a normal Goblin frame:

    Frame optimized for 120mm travel fork

    Larger diameter top-tube, downtube, chainstays, and seatstays

    Contoured "Round-to-Square" seat-tube with direct FD mount

    Pressfit GXP BB shell

    Clearance for 2.5inch tires

    142x12mm rear Maxle

    69 degree HT with 435mm chainstays and 12.5inch BB height

    All of the above changes make the Goblin Evolution better suited and dialed in for trail use. When it comes to spec, we've included parts that we knew would make an awesome trail Goblin: 120mm RockShox Revelation fork with 15mm Maxle and lock-out, Hayes Prime Comp hydraulic brakes, X7 2x10 drive train with an X9 Type 2 RD, Sun-Ringle Charger Comp tubeless-ready wheelset with custom matching decals, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 folding bead tires, and a Truvative Stylo T-30 cockpit.

    $1599.95. Available the first week in February, just in time for Spring.

    For more info, check it out at Airborne Bicycles. Goblin Evolution.

    Thanks!

    Jeremy
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    Nice work Airborne folk, this looks like a trail crushing bike! Hope to get a chance on one next season.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Any ideas on weight??

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    That is a slick bike!

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    Blue? NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

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    I like that color....thought I was getting an early Xmas present. Not out til feb..nicely spec'ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Any ideas on weight??
    From their site: 27.4lbs with tubes.

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    Black and blue, yall should have named it "The Bruiser".

    J/K looks awesome, and I'm sure it rides even better.

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    Jeremy, when does the hobgoblin evo come out? ?

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Wow. Me want!


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    Looks nice.

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    Great looking bike!

    I was looking at getting a trail hardtail next summer... this adds a front runner.
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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    It's very nice. It's a great bike to compare to the niner ROS and the original Canfield Yelli Screamy.

    If not for my yelli I'd be looking at getting this.

    Carbon bars, seatpost and tubeless should get you down to 25lbs. SS it to 22-23lbs

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    good looking bike! i was in the process of ordering a regular goblin until i saw the evo i think i will be ordering the evo instead!

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    Killer. Dang, love the angles and set up. Winner winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    It's very nice. It's a great bike to compare to the niner ROS and the original Canfield Yelli Screamy.

    If not for my yelli I'd be looking at getting this.

    Carbon bars, seatpost and tubeless should get you down to 25lbs. SS it to 22-23lbs

    Pretty much exactly. I was looking at building up a Nimble9, buying a Taro (I can get the 13's at sub $1000, hard to beat,) or an older 26" wheel trail bike... but Airborne has been good to me, so I may just splurge instead.
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    Will you guys be selling a evolution frame only eventually?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix View Post
    Pretty much exactly. I was looking at building up a Nimble9, buying a Taro (I can get the 13's at sub $1000, hard to beat,) or an older 26" wheel trail bike... but Airborne has been good to me, so I may just splurge instead.
    You couldn't buy the components for 1599 to complete a N9 so yeah. It's a deal. One of the guys I ride with is considering this bike just to tear it down and build the yelli frame on the wall.

    Then sell the frame.

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    Everything looked great until...

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Pressfit GXP BB shell
    Please tell me this is a misprint and that Airborne didn't get duped into the press fit BB fad.

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    Well its no cross bike but that thing is hot. I know a couple of guys who might be interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip D View Post
    Everything looked great until...



    Please tell me this is a misprint and that Airborne didn't get duped into the press fit BB fad.
    Had zero issues between 3 different Hobgoblin set ups; one ridden in a normal xc fashion, the other two were put through the ringer (but well cared for). Zero issues.

    (and to somewhat fair, I'm pretty close to being a curmudgeon in a lot of ways. I dislike new standards, or rather the lack of adherence to standards over the past few years across the board.)
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    We've had zero durability/maintenance issues with pressfitGXP BB's. The wider BB shell is also part of what enabled us to make room for more rear tire clearance.

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    I was this close to pulling the trigger on a Goblin XO, but was still hesitating. This thing is so sexy, though. As soon as I get the email back on what size I should get, I'm going to order one.

    On question: will this bike come with the stock Revelation RL with the Dual Position Air feature? I know companies sometimes get special OEM versions that aren't exactly the same. We have some long climbs here, and I think this would be a great thing.
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    Dang it, now I'm running a coolness deficit for sure.

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    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?

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    With shipping costs it's pretty close to the Trek Stach, but the fork, brakes, bar/stem, and maybe the wheelset are all big upgrades. I'd say that makes it a pretty good value. Except for the part where you have to wait until February.
    Dang it, now I'm running a coolness deficit for sure.

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?
    I was sold on a Taro until this was released. While I wish there was a "seeker evo" for sub $1k the price point here is great for the spec, and while I'd end up upgrading a Taro and pushing my cost over the total for the goblin evo, I wouldn't need to upgrade the Airborne.

    I think the price is right for the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    thought this bike/thread would see a ton more action and chatter around it...whats everyone's thought on this thing from a pricing standpoint?
    Pricing is great. I think it's gonna take a second for ppl to wrap there heads around the design of the bike.

    It will be a riot of a bike but it's a gravity oriented hard tail. That's tough for some XC guys to get.

    I still occasionally get baulked with my yelli screamy. Then we go down hill. After a while they wanna follow me down. Keep in mind when the AM HT idea came out people said it would never work. Here we are tho.

    If airborne did it right then this thing should roast. Although I think the 120mm isn't the best choice. But a fork swap is cheap.

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    ^^^ which fork do you think would work better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sti2.5ldohc View Post
    ^^^ which fork do you think would work better?
    I'd recommend a 140 mm fork. Manitou tower pro, fox talas. Rock shock revelation 140. White bros.

    I love my tower. It's a great fork. Easy to work on. And reasonably priced. And Clydesdale friendly.

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    I def want to order one soon, its just a tough time of year for a lot of people with the financial burden of the holidays coming up.

    I think Airborne's target market for this bike were people like me....that bought a XC bike but realized they also want to ride on some tougher rougher & more technical trails and downhills. On Airborne's site they said they are only making these in limited production....hopefully they'll be available for a while.

    I plan on keeping my regular Goblin to use for most of the riding I do. And it would be nice to have a Goblin Evo for those days I want to get a little crazy on the tougher trails.

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    I'd like a "hobgoblin evo" to compliment my goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WineDine29er View Post
    I think Airborne's target market for this bike were people like me....that bought a XC bike but realized they also want to ride on some tougher rougher & more technical trails and downhills.
    This is exactly what happened to me, I started on a Guardian, but found myself wanting something in a slacker, AM/trail 29er. Once I started riding a slacker bike I found that there was really no reason to keep my XC bike, A bike like this really does it all for me.
    I wish this was available about a year ago. It looks like a great ride, at a great price point. I'm glad to see Airborne adding some Trail/AM bikes to their lineup again.
    I'll definitely recommend this to riders looking for a bike to ride on our local trails.
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    Oh, decisions, decisions! This bike makes me rethink buying a hobgoblin. I want them both! Love that airborne is branching out. I know where my next bike is coming from!

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    I bet that thing will rip...and dig the color scheme also..

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    I like the geo of this bike. Except for offset it is better than a Stache and close to the new Superfly.
    If this is a 2014 Revelation fork the new mid valve damping stack makes for a quality unit and a good improvement over the 2013 Revelation.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...ck-889395.html
    I'd like to see 51mm offset which is optional on some Manitou models for 2014 and the RS Pike for 2014. Could be something RS would do for the Revelation.

    If this is a 13 fork it can be updated easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    I like the geo of this bike. Except for offset it is better than a Stache and close to the new Superfly.
    If this is a 2014 Revelation fork the new mid valve damping stack makes for a quality unit and a good improvement over the 2013 Revelation.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...ck-889395.html
    I'd like to see 51mm offset which is optional on some Manitou models for 2014 and the RS Pike for 2014. Could be something RS would do for the Revelation.
    anyone know if this is the 2014 or 2013 model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    I wish this was available about a year ago. It looks like a great ride, at a great price point. I'm glad to see Airborne adding some Trail/AM bikes to their lineup again.
    I'll definitely recommend this to riders looking for a bike to ride on our local trails.

    I'm in this boat. Had I known something like this was coming I would have waited to purchase my Airborne. As I ride something with a slacker HT, I have no desire or need, to ride my XC. Maybe someone on Craigslist will want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westorbust View Post
    I'm in this boat. Had I known something like this was coming I would have waited to purchase my Airborne. As I ride something with a slacker HT, I have no desire or need, to ride my XC. Maybe someone on Craigslist will want it.
    It wouldn't be the same but you could install a 120mm fork on your current bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTBoston View Post
    anyone know if this is the 2014 or 2013 model?
    Bumping this thread to see if Jeremy or someone from Airborne can confirm 2013/2014 Revelation on the EVO. Also, has anybody on here ordered one yet?

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    Can't you change the shim stack on the RS anyways??? Does it matter? We played with the stack on my Manitou Tower.. I can guarentee that unless you are 165lbs the stack prob isn't ideal anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexzhu1 View Post
    It wouldn't be the same but you could install a 120mm fork on your current bike.
    That's exactly what I'm doing. We'll see how it goes.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Just curious if the small size is going to have a bent top tube like the Goblin?
    Trying to get a visual;-)
    Can't wait too hear more about this bike. Any early release for review by a reputable publication / online source?
    My next purchase is still a little ways out, but sure get off on reviews of the bikes I'm interested in!!! Lol
    Love what you guys did price / spec / design with this one.
    Me want.

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    I really liked this bike when I first saw it, I was debating between this and a Stache. Being a former owner of a couple of Treks I went ahead and ordered a Stache, so I wouldn't have to wait for the Goblins release. The good news is my brother ordered an 18 inch Goblin Evo, so we will be able to get some good comparisons come February. I got a brand new 2013 17.5 Stache 7 for $995 shipped to my door, that left me with plenty of fork upgrade money and eventually i'll do a wheel set upgrade also.

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    I stumbled onto this Airborne forum while researching/looking for a new mountain bike (currently riding a stock 2001 Trek 4500). I'm intrigued by the Trek Staches, so the Goblin Evo looks mighty appealing to me (similar geometry with better components at a lower price)! When can we expect reviews of the Evo?

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    will this bike be more flickable and nimble than a standard Goblin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivera View Post
    will this bike be more flickable and nimble than a standard Goblin?
    First a disclaimer: I only own a Goblin and have never ridden an Evolution.

    But from what I've been able to gather, it has a slacker HT angle. That additional caster should keep its steering stable at speed. So not flickable or nimble as compared to an XC bike.

    On the other hand, it does have overall weight (it's a pound lighter out of the box) and wheel weight going for it. Its chainstays are shorter so it is only about an inch or so longer in wheelbase than the standard Goblin. Plus it can easily get lighter just by taking it tubeless if you choose.

    But lighter tires and/or wheelset on a standard Goblin is probably more like what you're looking for...or a Goblin XO if you can afford it.

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    I've found that a shorter chain stay often gives a bike much more playful feel: it will turn a little sharper at speed, manual and initiate wheelie-type maneuvers easier. With the slacker head angle it will like be more stable at higher speeds too. I take it that the design is intended to be a "trail" bike as opposed to XC. So it's a bit burlier frame wise, and more rugged component wise (fatter tires, more travel).

    Flickable and nimble are little vague, but I'd venture to *guess* the EVO will be better on downhills, pumps, bumps and jumps. Things the Goblin is not really designed for (but can handle just fine).

    I've not ridden the EVO, so this is speculation based on riding experiences.... To answer the question, my best guess is "yes". But better to be answered by the guys that tested them
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeinMinn View Post
    First a disclaimer: I only own a Goblin and have never ridden an Evolution.

    But from what I've been able to gather, it has a slacker HT angle. That additional caster should keep its steering stable at speed. So not flickable or nimble as compared to an XC bike.

    On the other hand, it does have overall weight (it's a pound lighter out of the box) and wheel weight going for it. Its chainstays are shorter so it is only about an inch or so longer in wheelbase than the standard Goblin. Plus it can easily get lighter just by taking it tubeless if you choose.

    But lighter tires and/or wheelset on a standard Goblin is probably more like what you're looking for...or a Goblin XO if you can afford it.
    Lots of good points. Maybe the weight will be of some help.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    I've found that a shorter chain stay often gives a bike much more playful feel: it will turn a little sharper at speed, manual and initiate wheelie-type maneuvers easier. With the slacker head angle it will like be more stable at higher speeds too. I take it that the design is intended to be a "trail" bike as opposed to XC. So it's a bit burlier frame wise, and more rugged component wise (fatter tires, more travel).

    Flickable and nimble are little vague, but I'd venture to *guess* the EVO will be better on downhills, pumps, bumps and jumps. Things the Goblin is not really designed for (but can handle just fine).

    I've not ridden the EVO, so this is speculation based on riding experiences.... To answer the question, my best guess is "yes". But better to be answered by the guys that tested them
    Exactly, I'm not trying to make comparisons here, but the style of the bike is along the lines of Trek Stache, Canfield Nimble 9/Yelli Screamy, etc. Which all have been famous for being very playful and also able to handle good amount of serious trail better than cross country geometry bikes. I like the Canfield bikes, but I feel like I'd spend alot of money on a ground up build.

    I'll be riding Georgia trails around Atlanta area, which from what I have seen many are rooty and rocky, but sometimes smooth out.

    I just want a very playful bike, something that can be bunny hopped, or pick up the front wheel pretty easy, and be agile enough for me to toss around. I'm not a big guy at 5'7 160lb so a light bike can make a difference to me.

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    I would guess the Goblin or the EVO version will both do fine. I wouldn't go so far as to call the Goblin "playful", it's much more a solid, stable platform to navigate miles at speed and finesse. It will maneuver very well through a variety of terrain, and the term "Cross-Country" really pinpoints its characteristics.

    If I were looking for a playful build, I'd go with the EVO. Those fat tires are sexy You're right, I think the market they're aiming for is the segment occupied by the Stache, Honzo, Yelli...

    EVO seems right your alley.

    (You'd save even more weight going tubeless on it and switching to 1x10 but that's not really for everybody...)
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    What would be required to do the 1x10?

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    Basically removing the big ring & front derailleur would just about do it. You could get a narrow/wide chainring to help with chain retention but the "type II" rear mech should really do the trick on itsown. Maybe add a bash gaurd.

    Going to 1X10 is more about taking away than adding components.
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    sounds good... this bike is really attractive to me, I'll keep an eye out for it in the coming months, if things work out I'll pick one up just in time for spring

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    I just got an email back from Eric at Airborne, he confirmed the fork is the standard Revelation RL, year 2014 model. The wheels also come with the tubeless kits for those interested.

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    Bring back free shipping and I'll order mine right now! Wooohooo

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    Goblin Evolution Trail 29ers are on track to land in the warehouse early next week and begin shipping to customers who have pre-ordered before the end of the week.

    If you've pre-ordered one we'll shoot you your tracking# via email the day after it ships.

    We've pre-sold a high percentage of them already so while we are stoked we need to get up on a second production run sooner than later now.

    Thanks so much!

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    That's awesome news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post

    We've pre-sold a high percentage of them already so while we are stoked we need to get up on a second production run sooner than later now.

    Thanks so much!

    Jeremy
    Great news! Also, yes, more production runs please. Need more time convincing the wife how badly I need this bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sti2.5ldohc View Post
    Will you guys be selling a evolution frame only eventually?
    Ditto. Frame set only? Please.
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    There are no frame-only's planned at this time.

    Thanks,

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    that blue paint is just beautiful!

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    I'd order one right now if it was a different color

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    Thanks~

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    My brother got his goblin evo last night, so we went out to compare the evo vs Stache. We've had a little to much rain lately so it wasn't much of a comparison due to nasty clay mud that was packing around our wheels and stuff not allowing much riding.

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    at least we know they are out in the wild. any other pictures or reviews out there?

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    Cool, can't wait for a fair weather comparison post!
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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-img_20140215_223911_098.jpg

    Mine arrived today. Unfortunately I'm buried in snow so it will be awhile for I really test it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMKLR View Post

    Mine arrived today. Unfortunately I'm buried in snow so it will be awhile for I really test it out.
    Nicee! What size frame is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WineDine29er View Post
    Nicee! What size frame is that?
    20 inch

    Also, I weighed the bike at 28.4 lbs with tubes and egg beaters. Once the snow melts I'll go tubeless. The bike seems very balanced in my opinion. And just looks mean with the 2.4 tires and large tubing. Cant wait to hit the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMKLR View Post
    20 inch

    Also, I weighed the bike at 28.4 lbs with tubes and egg beaters. Once the snow melts I'll go tubeless. The bike seems very balanced in my opinion. And just looks mean with the 2.4 tires and large tubing. Cant wait to hit the trails.
    Nicee! Yea i absolutely love the look of the 2.4's....and I hear ya, sick of sitting inside...waiting for the 2 feet of snow to melt here in Connecticut

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    On plainlooks alone, I'd definitely say the Stache has it with the frame design/aesthetically, colour wise I like the Goblin EVO. Looks like a bad time to ride any bike, they'd all clog, but very curious to see a clearance shot from underneath of those big 2.4' to the chainstays and from above to the seatstays. Will say again though, that's quite a lot of bang for your buck with the Gobliv EVO, any reason you changed out the stock bar/stem other than personal preference?
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    My brother got his goblin evo last night, so we went out to compare the evo vs Stache. We've had a little to much rain lately so it wasn't much of a comparison due to nasty clay mud that was packing around our wheels and stuff not allowing much riding.
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    Bars and stem were just personal preference. My Stache has the same size bar and stem, so both bikes were relatively close feeling. The Stache has a little more slope on the top tube , so stand over height is a bit better. The Goblin is spec'd out a little nicer but I personally prefer the shimano components on the Stache over the sram on the goblin. The goblin feels a little closer in the cockpit (bars to seat) then the Stache. Both are fun playful bikes, now just waiting on the weather to start logging miles.

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    Evo frame looks beefier than the stashe...at least from those pics

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    Evo looks sweet, I love the color, well done Airborne!

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    FYI, we are waiting for our shipment of RD hangers to arrive here in March. If you need one for the Goblin EVO in the meanwhile, this one fits:

    Jamis Bam '08 & '09 Derailleur Hanger > Components > Drivetrain > Derailleur Hangers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    We've also given the info to the guys at derailleurhanger.com and they should have it up soon on their site as well.

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    I know you said no frame-only so I'm requesting a frame-only. It will be my next build. Until then, the Goblin frame I just received will have to do. TIA for your consideration.
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    LOL, OK, thanks guys. Noted.

    In the interest of full disclosure, with the exception of the Pathogen we typically focus on complete bikes because we are able to offer a deeper savings compared to other manufacturers on a complete bike versus a frame-only.

    I'll throw this out as an experiment: What do you think the msrp should be on a Goblin EVO frameset? Assume it includes frame, headset, and rear maxle.

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    $300.

    EDIT: $350-$400 with the maxle.

    Much higher and there will be questions about the price difference between this and the regular Goblin frame.

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    Yes! 350-400. I don't mind paying more with the maxle and the fact that you may have a smaller run since this geo may not appeal to as many riders.
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    Considering the Kona Big Unit is something like $670 without the headset or MAXLE, and even a 2013 Honzo is $534 again without the headset (but with the maxle), I think the $350-$400 price point is spot on.

    An even farther reach are the offerings from Canfield, which are all 600+, and the Niner ROS9 (although, that one is 853, so an unfair comparison,) rings in at 800+

    I think a budget "big" hard tail frame is due on the market... now... but not if it delays the steel frame we discussed, Jeremy.
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    I am looking to get back into mtb riding after a decade off. I used to ride a Ventana Pantera and raced in TX. Looking seriously at the Goblin and Goblin XO. I am wondering if the Goblin EVO might not be a better fit. I live in Atlanta now and with the variety of riding available, the EVO looks like a nice bike. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    FYI, we are waiting for our shipment of RD hangers to arrive here in March. If you need one for the Goblin EVO in the meanwhile, this one fits:

    Jamis Bam '08 & '09 Derailleur Hanger > Components > Drivetrain > Derailleur Hangers | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    We've also given the info to the guys at derailleurhanger.com and they should have it up soon on their site as well.

    Thanks,

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    FYI we now have Goblin Evolution hangers in stock. We are working to get them on our website in the next few days. If you bend yours and need one in the meanwhile, please give us a ring at 800-888-BIKE and we can get one out to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    I am looking to get back into mtb riding after a decade off. I used to ride a Ventana Pantera and raced in TX. Looking seriously at the Goblin and Goblin XO. I am wondering if the Goblin EVO might not be a better fit. I live in Atlanta now and with the variety of riding available, the EVO looks like a nice bike. Thoughts?
    It's pretty hard to make recommendations because the type of riding and your own weight play into your decision-making. I like the Evo, in part, because it fills the x9 sweet-spot in the Goblin lineup. Plus it offers more ruggedness with just a small frame weight penalty. So if you're a heavier rider, this may be the right bike. If you prefer terrain that goes a bit beyond XC, this is a good choice. Also if you are looking for a more nimble ride, this has the shorter stays to make it happen. This bike might also be a little more forgiving if you aren't a smooth rider.

    But if you want stability (less twitchiness), prefer XC riding, want to make the bike really light weight, or are a lighter person yourself, buying and modding a Goblin or, better yet buying an X0, is a better choice. All will save you tremendous amounts of $$$.

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    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

    Like most manufacturers, we don't list a weight limitation for our bikes, but for the most part, as riders exceed 250lbs, the envelope in terms ofdesign, fatigue, and longevity tend to get pushed somewhat. That doesn't mean that bikes will begin to self-destruct, but key items like wheels/spokes/hubs, driveline, and suspension start to get stressed.

    Think of the EVO as a beefier version of the Goblin. The wheels are wider and beefier, tires are bigger, frame tubes are bigger, fork is more robust, etc. It's definitely more rugged and with the back end being shorter its definitely more "playful" in certain situations than the regular Goblin. But if you are riding in a true "cross-country" sense of the word, like out at Conyers for example, the regular Goblin will be faster and better from Point A to Point B than the EVO.

    There's been a trend lately of "trail-esque" 29ers with slacker HT's and shorter stays, like the Stache, Mason, etc. Its still a relatively small niche but one that we wanted to be in, hence the EVO. My personal opinion is that the "classic" geometry of the Goblin will never not be in demand as it is more forgiving and stable in certain situations. That's why we are pretty much leaving the regular Goblin geo as is and adding in the EVO as an addition to the line-up for those that are looking for that sort of thing.

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.
    No weight rating that I know of, but the rims on the Gob Evo are wider and stronger. Plus the hubs are probably a little better for more weight.

    But to get answers to your questions, I suggest a call to Airborne. They are usually in the office and are great to chat with. They can get into the details with you. Plus you avoid the inevitable pitfall of accepting info from a guy (me) who is making suggestions based on specs, guesses, and assumptions.

    But here's a guess for you anyway The Evo sounds like a good choice for you. Unless you are planning on getting right back into racing, the wider rims, bigger tires, stronger frame, and trail orientation of this bike seems like it would be a good fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeinMinn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by atlmktr2013 View Post
    Well, to put things into perspective when I was racing in TX, I was 203lbs. So, definitely not a little guy. I am considerably more than that now which is one of the reasons I am gtting back into riding.

    Is there a weight limitation for any of the Goblin series?

    As for riding type, probably something multipurpose, given the mountains near Atlanta which seem to be full of great trails plus XC.

    Do you like to huck around, jump, some drops (more than say, a foot or two,) or just be generally rowdy? The Evo will be more... playful... but like Jeremy said, not as stable over rough stuff. The Goblin and Goblin based bikes are still pretty playful, but they're definitely a more stable, slower steering bike (don't take that negatively, they still handle super tight switchbacks just fine and without drama.) I haven't ridden an Evo, but I've ridden bikes like it. If the Evo had been out when I got my Seeker, I probably would've gone that direction instead, but only because of the riding I prefer doing, not because the Seeker holds me back in any way, shape, or form.

    As for weight, My riding weight hovers around 250 and I ride a Seeker. The frame still feels stiff under pedal. The only issue I have being that my weight is above what the rear hub enjoys dealing with on steep, techy climbs.
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    Thanks for the information guys. I am certainly interested in the Airborne given the enthusiasm for the brand. The atttention from Jeremy in this forum is also a plus. Next step? Give the boys at Airborne a call...

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix View Post
    Do you like to huck around, jump, some drops (more than say, a foot or two,) or just be generally rowdy? The Evo will be more... playful... but like Jeremy said, not as stable over rough stuff. The Goblin and Goblin based bikes are still pretty playful, but they're definitely a more stable, slower steering bike (don't take that negatively, they still handle super tight switchbacks just fine and without drama.) I haven't ridden an Evo, but I've ridden bikes like it. If the Evo had been out when I got my Seeker, I probably would've gone that direction instead, but only because of the riding I prefer doing, not because the Seeker holds me back in any way, shape, or form.

    As for weight, My riding weight hovers around 250 and I ride a Seeker. The frame still feels stiff under pedal. The only issue I have being that my weight is above what the rear hub enjoys dealing with on steep, techy climbs.
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.
    I've put many miles on both models, and IMHO the short rear end of the EVO lends itself to be a little more "jittery" on bouncy/rocky/rooty descents. Its the tradeoff of being more "flickable" than the regular Goblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Clarification please.. How is the original goblin more stable than the evo?

    I would say that's backwards.


    Like what Jeremy said, the Goblin geo lends itself to going over a straight path smoother when the going gets rough, the short rear end of the Evo lends itself to feeling like you can just chuck it into a corner. I'd also call the aggressive HT geo more confident inspiring when the going gets steep, with the slack HT angle. Like I said before, I ride my seeker on berms and BMX-style trails often and love it, but when I ride the same type of trail with more aggressive geo it just feels like you can play around, throwing the bike around, rather than pointing and shooting like with the Goblin/Seeker frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Yes! 350-400. I don't mind paying more with the maxle and the fact that you may have a smaller run since this geo may not appeal to as many riders.
    I wanted to follow up on this. We've had a lot of internal discussions regarding making an EVO frame-only offering.

    IF we do it, and sell it at $350 plus shipping ($25), will you guys that are asking for it pony up and buy one?

    I'm leaning toward bringing in a small amount and testing the waters. If it doesn't sell well, then I can just not make more.

    Would you want a different color than the Mexico Blue, or do you like the blue?

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I wanted to follow up on this. We've had a lot of internal discussions regarding making an EVO frame-only offering.

    IF we do it, and sell it at $350 plus shipping ($25), will you guys that are asking for it pony up and buy one?

    I'm leaning toward bringing in a small amount and testing the waters. If it doesn't sell well, then I can just not make more.

    Would you want a different color than the Mexico Blue, or do you like the blue?

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    I would send paypal right now if it helped push the process along Jeremy. I would love a matte color of some sort, maybe black?

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    I'm not interested in a frame-only, but it would be fantastic if you offered another color other than that blue. Black, white, green, silver, gray, orange, yellow.

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    Hey BDF, the EVO isn't a bike I'd need (I'm old and broken down) but that's an incredible price. But let me ask this, on a bike like that, would it be more "attractive" if you sold it with a fork? My thought process tells me that most people don't have long travel forks laying around to build that type of bike on a "budget" like the xc category. Of course raise the price accordingly.
    Just my 2¢

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre View Post
    Hey BDF, the EVO isn't a bike I'd need (I'm old and broken down) but that's an incredible price. But let me ask this, on a bike like that, would it be more "attractive" if you sold it with a fork? My thought process tells me that most people don't have long travel forks laying around to build that type of bike on a "budget" like the xc category. Of course raise the price accordingly.
    Just my 2¢
    I probably won't do a frame/fork combo because it would be hard to pick the perfect fork that everyone would like. I'm assuming that someone buying a frame-only is picky about their build and they may prefer Fox, DVO, X-Fusion, etc.

    I would send paypal right now if it helped push the process along Jeremy. I would love a matte color of some sort, maybe black?
    No need to give us money up front.

    I'm not interested in a frame-only, but it would be fantastic if you offered another color other than that blue. Black, white, green, silver, gray, orange, yellow.
    We don't have any immediate plans to change the color on the complete or offer an additonal color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I probably won't do a frame/fork combo because it would be hard to pick the perfect fork that everyone would like. I'm assuming that someone buying a frame-only is picky about their build and they may prefer Fox, DVO, X-Fusion, etc.
    Fair enough.....that's why u get paid the big bucks

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    After several week you think there would be at least 1 decent review of this bike by someone?

    I'm in AZ and also considering the Trek Stach 7 and Yelli and would love to here how this bike compares on actual trails to anything in it class...
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    After several week you think there would be at least 1 decent review of this bike by someone?

    I'm in AZ and also considering the Trek Stach 7 and Yelli and would love to here how this bike compares on actual trails to anything in it class...
    This is a tough time of the year for riding and giving reviews. The majority of the country has experienced a fairly bad winter (especially here in the Midwest!) and most of the trails are under snow still or are in the dreaded thaw cycle that makes them mostly too soft/muddy to ride. Most of my riding in recent weeks has been on the road with a little bit of fatbike/snow-riding thrown in.

    We've shipped a lot of them but its likely most of the owners haven't been in a position to get a lot of ride time on them yet.

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    I hear you Jeremy,

    I moved from Philly 3 years ago and hated this time of year becuse it's either too frozen with snow or a sloppy mess.

    I have my tax check and perfect weather and want to pull the trigger, but just need a little more confidence in the bike to do so. I made a mistake pulling the trigger on a Ibex Ignition a few years back and this bikes a little more costly, so I guess I just need to wait and see...
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    Crap...I just got a yelli frame...would have considered the evo frame if I saw this sooner.
    I really wish the evo wasn't a press-fit bb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDM88 View Post
    Crap...I just got a yelli frame...would have considered the evo frame if I saw this sooner.
    I really wish the evo wasn't a press-fit bb...
    What's your issue with the PF-GXP bb? You've mentioned this repeatedly and frankly, I don't understand. I've had several bikes now with this standard with MANY miles on them with no problem. Its easy to install. Easy to change. And no longevity issues.

    The bb width allows us to get the extra tire clearance and frame stiffness that makes this the great bike that it is.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    What's your issue with the PF-GXP bb? You've mentioned this repeatedly and frankly, I don't understand. I've had several bikes now with this standard with MANY miles on them with no problem. Its easy to install. Easy to change. And no longevity issues.

    The bb width allows us to get the extra tire clearance and frame stiffness that mske this the great bike that it is.

    Thanks,

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    Same here..several bikes with it..never had any issues

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    Honestly, not a deal breaker...just prefer the threaded bb. Maybe because I'm used to it, maybe because I just feel more secure having it threaded....I'm not knocking the bike itself, just think it would be even more enticing with a standard bb like my seeker.

    I've said it before and will continue to show my enthusiasm for Airborne's products. The evo is a great product at an even better price when you look at what your getting. I'm very happy with my seeker and provided a glowing review on your site.

    I know when I get my yelli built up, it will be great too, but in the end it will cost me more to build it comparable to the goblin evo. airborne has done a great job!

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    BDF rides a lot and puts a ton of miles on a variety of different bikes. If he gives it the ok I know it will work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    IF we do it, and sell it at $350 plus shipping ($25), will you guys that are asking for it pony up and buy one?

    Would you want a different color than the Mexico Blue, or do you like the blue?

    Jeremy
    Yes and no. I do like the blue but for a frame set, as mentioned, a matte black finish with gloss black logo and accents for a stealth look, kinda similar to the Specialized Carve single speed frame they did for 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDM88 View Post
    Honestly, not a deal breaker...just prefer the threaded bb. Maybe because I'm used to it, maybe because I just feel more secure having it threaded....I'm not knocking the bike itself, just think it would be even more enticing with a standard bb like my seeker.

    I've said it before and will continue to show my enthusiasm for Airborne's products. The evo is a great product at an even better price when you look at what your getting. I'm very happy with my seeker and provided a glowing review on your site.

    I know when I get my yelli built up, it will be great too, but in the end it will cost me more to build it comparable to the goblin evo. airborne has done a great job!
    Cool! I'm certain if you spent time with a pf30 bb you'd like it. To be honest when pf's came out I was leary, but since its my job to check out trends and standards I had to give it a try and loved it. IMHO a better standard than bb30 and easier to install and work on.

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    I also agree, hate the press fit BBs. For reference so far I only have experience with BB90/95 and BB30 and they've all been a PITA, creaky, bearings wearing out quickly/easily and when I called a Spec dealer when dealing with the first one and asked them about it they said that that's normal, they don't expect more than 700 miles from a BB :WTF: :EEK:
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    Crap...I just got a yelli frame...would have considered the evo frame if I saw this sooner.
    I really wish the evo wasn't a press-fit bb...
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    What's your issue with the PF-GXP bb? You've mentioned this repeatedly and frankly, I don't understand. I've had several bikes now with this standard with MANY miles on them with no problem. Its easy to install. Easy to change. And no longevity issues.

    The bb width allows us to get the extra tire clearance and frame stiffness that makes this the great bike that it is.

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    Same here..several bikes with it..never had any issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I also agree, hate the press fit BBs. For reference so far I only have experience with BB90/95 and BB30 and they've all been a PITA, creaky, bearings wearing out quickly/easily and when I called a Spec dealer when dealing with the first one and asked them about it they said that that's normal, they don't expect more than 700 miles from a BB :WTF: :EEK:
    I'll agree with you on BB30. I'm not a big fan. I've got it on my crossbike and have had it on 2 road bikes and sometimes its great, sometimes its a PIA in regards to installation and creaks. I haven't had any issues though regarding premature wear.

    Now, the PressfitGXP and BB92 standards we've been using riding have been great. Definitely I've got more than 2000 miles on one set in my EVO prototype, and in my personal HG I have probably around 1700 miles. Not a creak or issue. Still spin as sure and free as the day I installed them with no play. I've actually worn out GXP (outboard BSA) BB's faster although technically it shouldn't really be any different IMHO.

    Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I can be a bit of a curmudgeon when it comes to new standards, but I do try them all with an open mind first. I think the only things I've tried and DIDN'T like in recent years are tubeless set-ups (just not for me, works great for others), non-concentric chainrings (like Rotor/BioPace/etc), gripshift (again), and reverse actuation RD's. And I guess you could throw BB30 in there but it does work great for others and it was more of an annoyance than a problem.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    I finally saw one of these Goblin Evolution bikes in person today. Talk about a sweet looking bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyKreitzer View Post
    I finally saw one of these Goblin Evolution bikes in person today. Talk about a sweet looking bike!
    Sorry I missed you, I was in the back having a discussion with someone. Didn't intend on being tied up when you dropped by. Glad you got a chance to see the EVO in person and also check out the other top-secret goodies in the office~!

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

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    Sorry I missed you, I was in the back having a discussion with someone. Didn't intend on being tied up when you dropped by. Glad you got a chance to see the EVO in person and also check out the other top-secret goodies in the office~!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    After several week you think there would be at least 1 decent review of this bike by someone?

    I'm in AZ and also considering the Trek Stach 7 and Yelli and would love to here how this bike compares on actual trails to anything in it class...
    My brother and I are in St George this weekend testing our bikes in some great weather. He's on his goblin evo and I'm on my stache 7. Both bikes have 60 mm stems, 740mm bars and 1x10 conversions. Today we rode Bear claw poppy and went up to Virgin and rode up to the Red Bull rampage site to play around. We swapped bikes several times to compare. Both bikes are a blast to ride. IMO I think the airborne seems to feel like the better climber and that's probably due to the steeper HT angle and Seat tube angle. However I thought the stache felt a little better on the descents. Probably because the slacker Head tube angle. The goblin has a little shorter chain stays so you can wheelie and manual a bit easier. Both are mediums and set up the same but the goblin feels like you're up on top of it more while the stache feels like you're down in it more. The paint job is superior on the stache. With all that being said you can't go wrong with either one and none of the differences that I experienced are very drastic at all.

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-20140307_210720.jpgIntroducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-20140309_195746.jpgIntroducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-20140307_234653.jpgHi i'm from the Panama I do not speak English properly; te puedo decir que yo tengo esta bicicleta y es una verdadera bicicleta all mountain Stylo HardTail; yo tambien la uso para XC y en carretera y de verdad no tengo ningún problema con esta bike, es excelente en las bajadas y en las subidas bastante pronunciadas y es mas considero que es mejor que la trek Stache 7 2014 con respecto a los componentes que trae y a la geometria, en resumen es una buena bicicleta para practicar cualquiera diciplina ya sea XC o enduro; o si bien la quieres para pasos.
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    Blame Google Translate, but until we get someone that speaks spanish/english fluently and can translate for us, here is a rough translation

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    I can tell you that I have this bike and is a real bike all mountain Stylo hardtail, I also use it for XC and road and really have no problem with this bike is excellent in the downhills and pretty steep climbs and I consider it is more better than Stache trek in July 2014 with respect to the components that already brings geometry, in short is a great bike to practice any discipline either XC or enduro, or while you want to walk.
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    Good job! Bien!

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er-me_gusta-1969px.jpg

    Now if I could only persuade the wifey into letting me get one

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    Nice! This bike is really a looker, and would be a blast to ride!
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    Nice looking bike, I was wondering if there is any cable management / routing for a dropper post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller29er View Post
    Nice looking bike, I was wondering if there is any cable management / routing for a dropper post?
    Hi,

    No sorry there is not. You'd have to piggyback the cable onto one of the other ones.

    Thanks!

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    Anyone working on a good review for the Goblin Evolution yet?

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    Hey Jeremy and others who've ridden the EVO. I had two free rentals from an LBS and for the past two weekends have ridden a Stache 6. I really enjoyed the rides on an easier single track here in Austin (Walnut Creek). I'm 43 and about 225 so jumping off ledges is probably not what I am looking for but I liked the ride of the Stache, although the front end tended to rise on me easily (only other mtb I've ridden is a buddy's Surly Ogre with a Fox 32 on the front which was set up for bike-packing and had strange bars).

    Anyway, I was all set on the regular Goblin until these two rides. I didn't realize it at the time but the LBS had swapped out whatever standard fork is on the Stache 6 and put on a PIKE they had available. That is one reason the front was so light or maybe it is the geometry/both?

    I plan on riding with my 12 yo's as a good bonding experience for us and they aren't daredevils yet so I think a plush hard tail for easier to mid level trails is my guess to what I will ride mostly. My wife thought I would spend maybe $1000 on the bike getting the hall pass for the EVO won't be easy but I don't want to regret going for the less expensive route if it makes a big difference.

    Thanks

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    If the Pike was a longer travel fork than the stock fork, that would throw the geo off and explain the tendency to want to "wheelie" when seated climbing.

    The Goblin Evo will have less of that issue, and the regular Goblin even less due to the longer stays.

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    Having ridden a bike with similar geo to the Evo, I loved the geometry and climbing was really not much different than my Seeker (same geo as the Goblin,) I would have Saved a bit more and gone Evo if it had been available.

    EDIT: Not that I don't absolutely love my Seeker. I do. Don't get me wrong. No buyers remourse at all.
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    Sure has been quiet regarding my next frame set...
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    Jeremy,
    How about a quick YT video to see the evolution close up and in action? If not, thanks for all the comments already posted.

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    We're working on some more videos in the near future. The Evolution will probably be one that we will do.

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    Just got mine an hour ago. Put it together and rode down the street. It is sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramboyle View Post
    Just got mine an hour ago. Put it together and rode down the street. It is sweet.


    Pics or it didn't happen.

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    This is all I got so far
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    Looks great!

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    I guess I'll try to give a little review on the Evo since I've gotten alot of time on the bike.

    First impressions of the packaging. The bike was bundled like a baby. The box didn't have any holes and held up well to shipping. Nothing was scratched and everything was protected well. Very happy it was taken care of so well.
    Putting the bike together.. I honestly thought there would have been more to do. Assembly was quick and simple. Out of the box the shifting was crisp and needed no adjustment. Very impressed. I have fiends with Motobecane's that needed alot of work to dial in.
    Mechanically everything worked, no strange noises or rattles or grinding
    On the trail the bike exceeded my expectations. Alot of chatter about lifting the front tire when climbing with the short stays. I'm a big guy and my 26r would do this often. On the same trails the Evo has kept the front wheel planted and I've maybe lifted the tire once(really steep climb). Down down hills are a blast. The 2.4 Ardents and Revelation shock soak up any objects in the trail. My days of looking for the smoothest line are over. I just look down the trail an go with it. the bike is very stable and takes hip input to turn very well. I told my riding buddy I'm going to wreck bad this year because I have so much confidence in this bike(aka..I'm going to run out of talent). In the tight stuff I couldn't tell you if there is any difference from this to an xc bike. It's handled everything I've rode so far. Lean into it and let the tire bite. I'm running tubeless and the Ardents have worked well in hard pack and mud. They really shine in the mud. They definitely take a little more power to turn than a small block but when the small blocks are spinning in the mud these just keep pushing forward. The brakes will stop you quick. I've had to modify my technique to use less front brake. I've almost flipped the bike over. I don't know if the average Joe, or beginner would really pick up the ride differences between the Goblin or Evo, I bet it would be for me. I was ready to get the Goblin XO but chose the Evo based on the chatter about it being less twitchy on the rocks and stability. It handles both well in my opinion. So am I satisfied with the Evo? You bet! I'm glad this forum helped me decide on an Airborne.

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    MM, nice review.

    Now, where's that new frame set only??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    MM, nice review.

    Now, where's that new frame set only??
    It's still up in the air........

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    Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Look what arrived yesterday at the office.


    It unboxed easily and it took longer to get all the packing wrap off the bike than it took to put together.

    It shifts very precisely and effortlessly and I could charge right into high curbs while leaning in and the fork just sucked it up. The front brake rubs lightly but a quick chat with Jeremy has given me the probable fix for it.

    Best of all, my wife came in and her first comment was not "why is all this stuff in our living room?" but "wow that's a great looking bike!"





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    Scored mine about 2 months ago and I'm a slacker so my review took a while - its awesome, I would buy it again in a second. Packaging was great - no scuffs or scratches, assembled in 15 minutes. Well, actually about an hour, bc I had the fork backwards out of excitement, and it took a while to figure out what i did. The ride - balance is great, wheelies easy and for a new bike i can wheelie as far or farther than my other bike i've ridden for 21 years. I swapped out the tires for maxxis minions DHF 2.5s - the rear ardent tore on the sidewall on the first ride through some rocks, and didnt do that well in the mud, besides, i like big fat tires. they are actually about 3/4 to an inch shorter than the ardent, and about the same width, so while heavier, they pedal about the same. The bike rides very well, out of the box set up required very little fine tuning...ok, none, just put it together (correctly) and go ride. it also looks awesome - like good enough to sit in your garage and stare at while you drink beers after your ride - so you know its sweet. The paint has held up well, I've had a couple wipe outs and there are no chips or scuffs that didnt buff out with a thumb. Weight is about as advertised, so no complaints there, and as far as that translates to the ride, as others had said, its pretty flickable and playful, it will quickly go in the direction you want it to. the shock is great, and compliments the bike very well, its great to drop off stuff, or bomb down a hill - the days of carefully picking a line are gone for me - the bike definitely gives me more confidence than I expected (or had on my other bike) and I will run out of skill before this bike runs out of ability. Also, customer service is very responsive (just asking questions, I have not had any negative issues) so thats cool too.

    Overall this thing gets an 'A', easily; if you're thinking of getting one - just do it already, you'll be very happy.

    pic to follow when phone is charged....

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    here is a crummy pic, bc i have a crummy phone....
    for what its worth:
    im 5'11" about 185 and I got a medium
    i like riding rocks, technical stuff, single track (preferably going downhill), trials type stuff, and drop offs - prob 3 ft or less - i'm not extreme and can't consider myself a hucker.
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    Thanks for the review! Looks great!

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    I'm definitely in the camp that would have bought an Evo had it been available when I bought my Goblin. This has led to curiosity and now curiosity has gotten the best of me and searching didn't turn up an answer.

    I know the Evo is beefed up in key areas and the geometry has altered to make it more trail worthy than the standard Goblin but has anyone actually reported breaking a standard Goblin frame?

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    I've had a Goblin since November and love it but at times I wished I held out for a EVO. Then I remember all the rides I've had when I would have been sitting there waiting on the release and that goes away. The shorter chainstay, wheels, and maxle. Great deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by veriest1 View Post
    I'm definitely in the camp that would have bought an Evo had it been available when I bought my Goblin. This has led to curiosity and now curiosity has gotten the best of me and searching didn't turn up an answer.

    I know the Evo is beefed up in key areas and the geometry has altered to make it more trail worthy than the standard Goblin but has anyone actually reported breaking a standard Goblin frame?
    I can probably count the number of broken Goblin frames on one hand, and we've sold thousands of them now with the green and black models combined.

    To me the things that make the EVO frame more "Beefy" or "Trailworthy" compared to the regular Goblin are the short stays, laid back HT angle, 142x12 rear thru axle, contoured seat tube (goes from round to square at the bottom), pressfitGXP BB, Direct Mount FD, and tons of tire clearance. Oh, and the post mount rear brake versus IS mount. Plus nearly all of the tubes are larger in terms of OD. Put an EVO next to a Goblin and you'll see the differences.

    The Goblin really is a great frame in its own right and its not likely we'll make many changes to the next version when we do one. There's still a lot of folks that want/need a more XC style ride and we don't want to throw that away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I can probably count the number of broken Goblin frames on one hand, and we've sold thousands of them now with the green and black models combined.

    To me the things that make the EVO frame more "Beefy" or "Trailworthy" compared to the regular Goblin are the short stays, laid back HT angle, 142x12 rear thru axle, contoured seat tube (goes from round to square at the bottom), pressfitGXP BB, Direct Mount FD, and tons of tire clearance. Oh, and the post mount rear brake versus IS mount. Plus nearly all of the tubes are larger in terms of OD. Put an EVO next to a Goblin and you'll see the differences.

    The Goblin really is a great frame in its own right and its not likely we'll make many changes to the next version when we do one. There's still a lot of folks that want/need a more XC style ride and we don't want to throw that away.

    Jeremy (long-winded reply, sorry!)
    Thanks for the detailed reply.

    Can you tell us how the Goblin frames were broken?

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    None have been catastrophic (like at the HT), they've been things like cracked seat tubes and cracked chainstays. We slightly over-build the Goblin frames, that's why they aren't the lightest but they are stiff and strong and hold up well. Another reason our failure rate is so low is the fact that we do test our frames to Euro EN1766 standards. Technically to sell an adult bike in the US there is no structural frame test required, but we do it anyway to ensure we aren't going to have problems down the road. It adds cost but to me its worth it.

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    Re: Introducing the new Goblin Evolution Trail 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    None have been catastrophic (like at the HT), they've been things like cracked seat tubes and cracked chainstays. We slightly over-build the Goblin frames, that's why they aren't the lightest but they are stiff and strong and hold up well. Another reason our failure rate is so low is the fact that we do test our frames to Euro EN1766 standards. Technically to sell an adult bike in the US there is no structural frame test required, but we do it anyway to ensure we aren't going to have problems down the road. It adds cost but to me its worth it.

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    Thanks, that's good to know.

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    Hey, guys and gals!

    Would love to own one of the evo's one day. Wondering how much jumping it can handle. There are some sections of trails around here that have 3-4' drops and more if you want to hit them. What are the reasonable limits on the bike? I'm sure they're beyond my PERSONAL limits, but I can hope to equal the bike, right?

    Thanks!

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    It's designated as a "Trail" bike so we don't necessarily recommend anyone jump it, and landing to flat off 3-4' drops is also probably not recommended. If you are thinking about that sort of riding you are better off getting a 6" travel full suspension AM rig with 26" or 27.5" wheels.

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    Thanks, BDF. To clarify the types of trails we have 'round here (Birmingham, Alabama) there are only a few 'all-mountain' type downhill sections. Probably 90% could be considered cross country and I've been riding them well (although not as agressively as I would like to) on an xc 26" rockhopper. I think a purpose-built all mountain rig would be too much for the vast majority of the trails I ride. The EVO is so tempting because it looks like a perfect do-it-all bike. Thoughts?

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    Very intrigued by this bike. Really like the Honzo as I have always been a steel guy. But the build kit on this plus geometry look great and at it`s pricepoint is very good and it`s on my final list. Can some one get a couple of chainstay yoke detail shots both with and without the 2.4 ardent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akaHector View Post
    Thanks, BDF. To clarify the types of trails we have 'round here (Birmingham, Alabama) there are only a few 'all-mountain' type downhill sections. Probably 90% could be considered cross country and I've been riding them well (although not as agressively as I would like to) on an xc 26" rockhopper. I think a purpose-built all mountain rig would be too much for the vast majority of the trails I ride. The EVO is so tempting because it looks like a perfect do-it-all bike. Thoughts?

    It should probably be just perfect then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoMark View Post
    Very intrigued by this bike. Really like the Honzo as I have always been a steel guy. But the build kit on this plus geometry look great and at it`s pricepoint is very good and it`s on my final list. Can some one get a couple of chainstay yoke detail shots both with and without the 2.4 ardent?
    I was shopping for a Honzo as well, but the 1X worried me. Ended up settling on the Evo and I'm happy as a clam.

    I can take pictures of mine, but I'm not 100% sure what the chainstay yoke is. Let me know what you want to see and I'll try to get pictures of it.

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    Can someone check their fork to see if it is the same as mine?

    It seems my fork is sitting too low. It has 115psi with no weight. I took out all the air and it is getting 110mm of travel when it should be 120mm. Just want to make sure this is normal.

    Thanks for the help.



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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    Can someone check their fork to see if it is the same as mine?
    I'm not sure if it's normal, but that's how mine looks too.

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    If you measure the exposed stanchion, it should be 120mm and that's the amount of travel you should be getting.

    We think there were a batch of the forks that had the graph printing slightly off (lower) from the factory so that it shows it off a little bit. That's what our SRAM rep told us when we enquired about it.

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    Thanks for the quick responses and info. I measured exposed stanchion and it's 117mm so still on the short side. I'll try to get warranty repair if not just use it as is. 3mm doesn't change how the bike rides which is great.

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    Do a search on SOLO Air forks and having to bleed them out, one of the problems with SOLO air. Good thing is RS has excellent tech docs for servicing and RS forks are easy to work on. You should be seeing at least 120mm of exposed stanchion.
    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    Can someone check their fork to see if it is the same as mine?

    It seems my fork is sitting too low. It has 115psi with no weight. I took out all the air and it is getting 110mm of travel when it should be 120mm. Just want to make sure this is normal.

    Thanks for the help.
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    Mine measured 115mm's

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