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    Airborne...YTF not?

    https://www.airborne.net/

    I'd like to hear from people who actually do/have own(ed) them.

    [Personally, I like them! I like the "idea" of them! I think they make a lot of sense!]


    Talk to me.
    Why all the Airborne hate?
    I've seen a lot of griping,
    but from non-Airborne owners.


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    They're alright, I just don't like the rear suspension design. I don't hate them at all though. It's a tried-and-true single pivot, just like a SC Bullit, but it's also not the best performer around anymore. Floating pivots will outperform them any day. Bottom Line: For the money, I think you can do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    I've seen a lot of griping,
    They're catalogue frames, most of the griping probably stems from that.

    But for what you get the price seems reasonable.

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    Rehashed I.H. designs , dated .

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    Quote Originally Posted by charging_rhinos
    They're alright, I just don't like the rear suspension design. I don't hate them at all though. It's a tried-and-true single pivot, just like a SC Bullit, but it's also not the best performer around anymore. Floating pivots will outperform them any day. Bottom Line: For the money, I think you can do better.
    What would you suggest for $600. with the same capabilities as their basic Zeppelin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade
    They're catalogue frames, most of the griping probably stems from that.

    But for what you get the price seems reasonable.
    Yeah, that's what I think.

    If the frames are built well enough, I think they'd be alright for someone who doesn't ride too aggressively.
    They look like they'd do better than a similarly priced hardtail on a rough trail.

    I'd think they'd have to be better than anything at Wally World and I'd like to believe that they are safe enough for basic riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Rehashed I.H. designs , dated .
    Right...older IH design.

    Does that mean that the they suck?
    Or that they just suck when compared to today's bikes?
    Or that they suck when compared to bikes costing 3 times as much?

    As for their being dated, I understand that they won't be cutting edge,
    but will they be any less "good" for their intended purpose which
    I believe to be an introduction to trail bikes/light AM riding?
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    I see this as a bike that'll hold me over until I can afford the uber-coin I need to pick up a serious FS MTB.

    Totally worthy of upgrading with used Craigslist parts as needed (wheelset, drivetrain, etc...).
    For about $1000. it can be turned into a reliable enough fun rig. It can be taken down to under 30lbs relatively easy enough.

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    With a budget of $600, I'd skip on thinking of any type of FS bike and go for a hardtail.

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    Looks to be very heavy, so probably little long term as far as upgradable frame goes. The elite model has a better kit, but that's close to a grand... which gets you a better bike if you can save up just a little more.

    Have you ridden one/sat on one? If not, you might not like it and that's a good why not.

    If you're not going to buy from a LBS, I would say BD has lighter offerings, with better specs, for less, at those pricepoints.

    Since you're not new to biking and presumably know what to look for, I would think you'd be on the lookout for some decent used FS on your local MTB forums and CL. Seems to be a better long-term value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotoDengo
    Looks to be very heavy, so probably little long term as far as upgradable frame goes. The elite model has a better kit, but that's close to a grand... which gets you a better bike if you can save up just a little more.

    Have you ridden one/sat on one? If not, you might not like it and that's a good why not.

    If you're not going to buy from a LBS, I would say BD has lighter offerings, with better specs, for less, at those pricepoints.

    Since you're not new to biking and presumably know what to look for, I would think you'd be on the lookout for some decent used FS on your local MTB forums and CL. Seems to be a better long-term value.
    I wouldn't buy it for long term.
    It's be just a temporary bike.
    I personally wouldn't buy a used FS bike.
    FS bikes are made to be beaten.
    It'd have to basically be a path bike for me to even consider it.

    Weight? If I wanted lighter, I wouldn't be looking at anything under $2K.
    As for BD...I haven't seen anything there that looks like it could take
    the beating that the Airborne could take.

    In other words, IMO, this is a case where heavier might be more durable.
    This is why I asked for the opinions of those who've actually owned Airbornes.
    They would know more than anybody how well or how lousy their bikes have performed.



    To me, that frame looks like it'll take a ton of abuse.
    Definitely a lot more than what BD offers IMO.

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    The latest Dirt Rag has a review of the Zeppelin. They said it was a pretty nice bike for the price, a little heavy and the front fork sucked.

    I had the Ti Airborne Lucky Strike for almost 10 years before some D' bag stole it last summer. I really liked that bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns
    The latest Dirt Rag has a review of the Zeppelin. They said it was a pretty nice bike for the price, a little heavy and the front fork sucked.

    I had the Ti Airborne Lucky Strike for almost 10 years before some D' bag stole it last summer. I really liked that bike....

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    Thats the Airborne I remember! Always wanted one when they were around, but never had the coin for one of their hardtails. I loved the WWII themes they had for their bikes. I'd think that some of the lackluster response to the new Airborne comes from the fact that Airborne 2.0 isn't much of what it used to be (from the little I've read.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    I see this as a bike that'll hold me over until I can afford the uber-coin I need to pick up a serious FS MTB.

    Totally worthy of upgrading with used Craigslist parts as needed (wheelset, drivetrain, etc...).
    For about $1000. it can be turned into a reliable enough fun rig. It can be taken down to under 30lbs relatively easy enough.

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    How long have you worked for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    How long have you worked for them?
    Hi Bus.

    Have you ever heard what they say about "assuming" when you're wrong?

    Google it!



    I'm going to "assume" that you don't own, never have and probably never will own an Airborn FS bike?
    If so, you completely missed the part where I solicited opinions from those who "have".

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    Saw the DR reviews - I was surprised, that's a Huffy-owned company...
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSharks
    Saw the DR reviews - I was surprised, that's a Huffy-owned company...
    Me too. That's why I had to ask.

    People who've actually experienced them seem to have good things to say about them when they are judged within context.
    Now if their going to be compared to $4000. rigs, of course there's going to be a lot of fault to find on a sub-$1K bike.
    But for about $850., it looks like a lot of bike.

    I wouldn't buy one to upgrade, but I'd consider one to ride into the ground and have fun while I save up for one of those $4000. rigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Hi Bus.

    Have you ever heard what they say about "assuming" when you're wrong?

    Google it!



    I'm going to "assume" that you don't own, never have and probably never will own an Airborn FS bike?
    If so, you completely missed the part where I solicited opinions from those who "have".
    No, but I google a word for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    No, but I google a word for you.

    ...blah, blah, blah...

    What a stupid putz!
    Guess I was right to believe that you don't own, never have and probably never will own an Airborn FS bike.

    Probably why you didn't answer the question.

    In the immortal words of Ace Ventura Pet Detective..."Alllllrighteee then!"

    Next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    How long have you worked for them?
    Airborne is a fairly small bike company (yes we are owned by a larger company but I am speaking about our core group of employees). I can tell you that whoever he is he doesn't work for us. Just because someone is asking about a product here does not mean they are a shill.

    As for their being dated, I understand that they won't be cutting edge,
    but will they be any less "good" for their intended purpose which
    I believe to be an introduction to trail bikes/light AM riding?
    The early Airborne models, like the Zeppelin you are talking about, had frames that were based somewhat on IH models. On new models (which we are doing several thru-out the coming year) they are all-original designs. The Zeppelin and Zeppelin Elite offer the same frames with better components being on the more expensive Zeppelin Elite. Both are great bikes to start out with and have components that should hold up just fine, at the expense of some weight penalty (because that's the way it is at that price level...............).

    I'd think they'd have to be better than anything at Wally World and I'd like to believe that they are safe enough for basic riding.
    Yep, they'll do just great. All of the Airborne frames/bikes are tested to the more rigorous CEN/EN71 standards and should hold up just fine.

    Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    Airborne is a fairly small bike company (yes we are owned by a larger company but I am speaking about our core group of employees). I can tell you that whoever he is he doesn't work for us. Just because someone is asking about a product here does not mean they are a shill.
    You REALLY should look into hiring this guy if he doesn't ALREADY work for you. I've never seen someone so excited about a catalogue chinese frame.

    This thread reeks of the Ibex fiasco from a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    This thread reeks of the Ibex fiasco from a few years ago.
    It just reeks in here because you don't add anything except over-the-top skepticism and antagonizing comments. The other comments here have been pretty good, with a fair dose of hard truth from other posters. 2ndgen even started this thread to ask for more info and reviews, not to tell everyone how awesome a bike he's never used is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    It just reeks in here because you don't add anything except over-the-top skepticism and antagonizing comments. The other comments here have been pretty good, with a fair dose of hard truth from other posters. 2ndgen even started this thread to ask for more info and reviews, not to tell everyone how awesome a bike he's never used is.
    and your contribution to this was........other than your normal ******baggieness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    You REALLY should look into hiring this guy if he doesn't ALREADY work for you. I've never seen someone so excited about a catalogue chinese frame.
    Well, like I stated he DOESN'T.

    I don't know if I would call the guy excited, the way I read it he was asking some questions about the products, including what people that owned them thought.

    I wouldn't call that a "catalogue" frame. Like I stated previously, the first round of Airborne products were based somewhat on earlier IH designs. This is because the factory that we utilized and have a relationship with made IH product in their final years. New models coming out shortly won't be the same frames or spec at all.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer

    I wouldn't call that a "catalogue" frame. Like I stated previously, the first round of Airborne products were based somewhat on earlier IH designs.

    Jeremy
    LMAO

    based somewhat on earlier IH designs? That is some funny ***** right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    and your contribution to this was........other than your normal ******baggieness.
    sorry, I do get too much enjoyment out of calling other people out, but I wasn't aware I had such a horrible reputation because of that. I invite you to look through my post history and see that I try very hard to consistently add information, clarification, details, explanations, etc to the best of my ability. And that I get dragged into these a little too often too, I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    LMAO

    based somewhat on earlier IH designs? That is some funny ***** right there.




    Please do not turn this thread into a dik swinging contest , it has been a fairly civil thread until now . KTHXBYE

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    sorry, I do get too much enjoyment out of calling other people out, but I wasn't aware I had such a horrible reputation because of that. I invite you to look through my post history and see that I try very hard to consistently add information, clarification, details, explanations, etc to the best of my ability
    and which part of this thread did you contribute this vast wealth of information, clarification, details, and explanations to? As usual thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Please do not turn this thread into a dik swinging contest , it has been a fairly civil thread until now . KTHXBYE
    YES SIR, chief dik swinger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    LMAO

    based somewhat on earlier IH designs? That is some funny ***** right there.
    A quick search of your previous posts shows me that you enjoy being unreasonably antagonistic. That being said I don't feel the need to engage with you anymore if you feel the need to continue your ways.

    This message is hidden because bus_142 is on your ignore list.
    So feel free to keep posting, I just won't be able to see what you write anymore for some reason. I hope you are able to work thru your problems.


    Warmest regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    A quick search of your previous posts shows me that you enjoy being unreasonably antagonistic. That being said I don't feel the need to engage with you anymore if you feel the need to continue your ways.



    So feel free to keep posting, I just won't be able to see what you write anymore for some reason. I hope you are able to work thru your problems.


    Warmest regards,

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    Thanks, I hope you enjoy peddling your catalogue chinese frames....while you can.

    Just so you know, I actually know most of the people I screw with on here IN PERSON so I don't say anything to them on here that I wouldn't say them to their face.

    I suggest you start a thread on F88me.com and see what kind of "feedback" you get over there, a lot more truth and a lot less shilling going on over there.

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    Another fine MTBR thread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    and which part of this thread did you contribute this vast wealth of information, clarification, details, and explanations to? As usual thanks.
    ah, it finally clicked for me: cruso414, sorry for calling you out in that one thread earlier this year and getting all your accounts banned. I can see now why you don't like me

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    ah, it finally clicked for me: cruso414, sorry for calling you out in that one thread earlier this year and getting all your accounts banned. I can see now why you don't like me
    it's all good. I post on F88 most of the time anyway. btw, you still nuzzling on the specialized teet? I don't mean to crack on you personally but you KNOW this schmuck is peddling crap for these guys. mtbr is so obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    but you KNOW this schmuck is peddling crap for these guys. mtbr is so obvious.
    no, I think your skepticism leads you to believe that anyone enthusiastic about products that aren't good enough for you personally must have been paid to fake enthusiasm. Why else would anyone get ever excited about entry level products and stuff not from nicer brands, right?

    Newer riders and those with smaller budgets have plenty of reasons to be curious and potentially excited about bikes like this, and questions are bound to show up on a forum like this when the brands aren't widely known. You especially will get a huge kick out of this, but I bought an Ibex as my first new mountain bike a couple years ago. It was a huge upgrade over what I had and was specced much better than other options within my limited budget. Before I bought it I too asked questions online about this brand I didn't know much about and got helpful answers, but I also ran into people like you who thought I must be a shill
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    bus_142 = total tool.

    Dude, do you realize how foolish your ramblings on in this thread make you look?

    Go out for a ride instead of being such an e-wanker would ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    Airborne is a fairly small bike company (yes we are owned by a larger company but I am speaking about our core group of employees). I can tell you that whoever he is he doesn't work for us. Just because someone is asking about a product here does not mean they are a shill.



    The early Airborne models, like the Zeppelin you are talking about, had frames that were based somewhat on IH models. On new models (which we are doing several thru-out the coming year) they are all-original designs. The Zeppelin and Zeppelin Elite offer the same frames with better components being on the more expensive Zeppelin Elite. Both are great bikes to start out with and have components that should hold up just fine, at the expense of some weight penalty (because that's the way it is at that price level...............).



    Yep, they'll do just great. All of the Airborne frames/bikes are tested to the more rigorous CEN/EN71 standards and should hold up just fine.

    Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions, thanks!

    Jeremy


    Thanks a lot for the info J!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    It just reeks in here because you don't add anything except over-the-top skepticism and antagonizing comments. The other comments here have been pretty good, with a fair dose of hard truth from other posters. 2ndgen even started this thread to ask for more info and reviews, not to tell everyone how awesome a bike he's never used is.
    Thank you for noticing that Boom.

    Again, I think that those who've actually ridden these bikes could best comment on them from experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Please do not turn this thread into a dik swinging contest , it has been a fairly civil thread until now . KTHXBYE

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    A quick search of your previous posts shows me that you enjoy being unreasonably antagonistic. That being said I don't feel the need to engage with you anymore if you feel the need to continue your ways.



    So feel free to keep posting, I just won't be able to see what you write anymore for some reason. I hope you are able to work thru your problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    I suggest you start a thread on F88me.com and see what kind of "feedback" you get over there, a lot more truth and a lot less shilling going on over there.
    And there we have it...hidden spam to drum up traffic to a website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    And there we have it...hidden spam to drum up traffic to a website.



    you are a weird dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    it's all good. I post on F88 most of the time anyway. btw, you still nuzzling on the specialized teet? I don't mean to crack on you personally but you KNOW this schmuck is peddling crap for these guys. mtbr is so obvious.
    The only one "peddling" anything here is you...and that website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    bus_142 = total tool.

    Dude, do you realize how foolish your ramblings on in this thread make you look?

    Go out for a ride instead of being such an e-wanker would ya!
    McGoober=go **** yourself
    Do you realize what an a$$ kisser you are on here as well as ridemonkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    The only one "peddling" anything here is you...and that website.


    (do not click on this link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVJbX2sb2WY
    Ace Ventura personifies a dip***** like you perfectly.

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    Banned (again) in 5, 4, 3, 2...

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    Now that that's over with, back to the topic.

    Thanks to those who've contributed good information to the threads.

    I'll pick up one of these bikes and will give you guys my assessment of how they perform when compared
    to bikes in their range and to bikes costing twice as much (apples to apples and apples to oranges).

    I'd really love to see it go up against the King of the cheap full suspension bikes;
    The Giant Yukon FX (probably the first <$1,000. FS bike that got great reviews).

    Personally, the Airbornes look like they could take a lot more of a beating than the Giant could.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Banned (again) in 5, 4, 3, 2...
    nah, sorry. so get back to your shilling.

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    Not bad...

    “Long-travel bikes don’t come cheap, which is what makes the Marauder such an eye-popping proposition.
    The complete bike sells for less than some forks. The Airborne’s stout, single-pivot frame is hung with some
    surprisingly dirt-worthy parts, including a 20mm through-axle Spinner Cargo fork, Marzocchi Coil F rear shock
    and FSA Dyna Drive 22/32 crankset with bashguard."




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    Hey guys. We need to stop the personal attacks, immediately. MTBR doesn't tollerate it at all.

    Thanks.

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    I want in on this thread! Hey Bus 142 - let's see you make fun of me. I have a beer gut, don't clean my chain enough, and like puppies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O
    and like puppies.

    ......... As long as you don't like LOL Cats!.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Hey guys. We need to stop the personal attacks, immediately. MTBR doesn't tollerate it at all.

    Thanks.
    Damn, and I was all ready to call out bus for the a$$hat that he's proven to be in this one thread.

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    I'm OK with the Airborne designs being pretty much the same as the old IH design. The old IH single pivot bikes are good, especially for their respective price point. Haters gonna hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck
    Damn, and I was all ready to call out bus for the a$$hat that he's proven to be in this one thread.
    please do, I enjoy being called out by clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O
    I want in on this thread! Hey Bus 142 - let's see you make fun of me. I have a beer gut, don't clean my chain enough, and like puppies.
    ok fatboy, your chain is rusty and puppies don't like you. Feel better now? Make you wanna go buy one of these Dick's sporting goods bikes?

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    /thread unsubscribe

    /bus142 ignore. Besides, the little champ is in school now anyway. The thread should be clean until after she gets out of home ec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKevman
    I'm OK with the Airborne designs being pretty much the same as the old IH design. The old IH single pivot bikes are good, especially for their respective price point. Haters gonna hate.


    That's what I wondered.
    They say it's an old IH design as if the old IH design was bad.
    When I asked if there was something wrong with it, no response.

    And YES...for the money, it's probably the best bike in it's class for it's intended usage.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GotoDengo
    /thread unsubscribe

    /bus142 ignore. Besides, the little champ is in school now anyway. The thread should be clean until after she gets out of home ec.
    sorry clown, probably old enough to be your daddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    sorry clown, probably old enough to be your daddy.
    So you just post like you're a disgruntled 12 year old then? Are you keeping score, seeing how many personal attacks you can rack up before getting banned again? You must have a really boring home life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck
    So you just post like you're a disgruntled 12 year old then? Are you keeping score, seeing how many personal attacks you can rack up before getting banned again? You must have a really boring home life.
    Todd, looks like you are the one making personal attacks, I didn't say anything to you or I haven't noticed where you have offered anything to this thread. I was pointing out how this guy seems to be INCREDIBLY interested in a bike to the point of coming across as a shill. If you have something to offer that would contradict this, feel free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    sorry clown, probably old enough to be your daddy.
    Consider this an official warning.

    Personal attacks are not tolerated on MTBR.

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    To the OP, despite what you think about used fs bikes, there are great deals out there. A friend just picked up a used Canfield Balance for $900 from a guy that had bought it from another friend around a year ago for $1800 and had ridden it 3 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    Consider this an official warning.

    Personal attacks are not tolerated on MTBR.


    But he hurt my feelings yesterday too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck
    To the OP, despite what you think about used fs bikes, there are great deals out there. A friend just picked up a used Canfield Balance for $900 from a guy that had bought it from another friend around a year ago for $1800 and had ridden it 3 times.
    No doubt. My first MTB was used (got it at 1/2 price off new and it wasn't even a year old).

    But I'm just looking for a beater FS bike for now to use until I can put together my build.

    It's also hard for me to find something with the geo I like and the features and in my size (M or 17"ish).
    With something new, not only will I get exactly what I want, but it'll come with a warranty.
    Plus, I live in New York City. It's really hard to find a decent used MTB here that I like.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen


    <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zM0k99OpiXM?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zM0k99OpiXM?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
    ......
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Airborne...YTF not?-iphone-fun-apps-moron-test.jpg  


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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    ......
    Looks like The Mod's threat worked!

    You haven't violated board rules since then!

    Success!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Looks like The Mod's threat worked!

    You haven't violated board rules since then!

    Success!



    Don't bet on it , already back with a new user name .

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Don't bet on it , already back with a new user name .
    That's what I thought...

    It ends in a year, right?

    Something like 1968?

    I thought that smelt like him, but I wanted to give a Newb the benefit of the doubt.


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    Need to get some IP address action on that guy.
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bus_142
    ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Trying to get this thread back on track...
    I can't comment directly on the models offered now from a personal stand point, but I do know some people that are on them and they're pretty impressed with ride quality, especially when you factor in the price.
    Keep an eye on Airborne and what they have up their sleeves with some new designs and ideas.
    I'm fortunate enough to have one of the pre-production 29ers they're introducing soon and I have a big smile on my face everytime I ride it.
    True.

    I'm waiting.

    I kind of think Airborne is going to become a price leader.
    Don't get me wrong, companies like Santa Cruz have a great bike for $2,000.
    But that's STILL $2,000.

    I think if Airborne produces one entry level model and a model with an upped spec (like the Zeppelin Elite, but with a more balanced groupset instead of one great bit and weaker supporting parts), they'll kill.

    Weight...if the frames don't break, their worth it. I got sickened every time I read a story of someone spending premium coin on a premium named bike only to have it premiumly break while it was being used for what it was supposedly designed.

    When a cheaper bike breaks, ok. Fine.
    When an expensive rig breaks? WTF?
    When an expensive bike does what it's supposed to do, no biggie.
    When a cheaper bike does what it's supposed to do? Awesome!


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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    ah, it finally clicked for me: cruso414, sorry for calling you out in that one thread earlier this year and getting all your accounts banned. I can see now why you don't like me
    He's Ahh-some!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen

    I'm waiting.


    Last edited by toddre; 12-06-2010 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Patience grasshopper and hang in there...I think it will be well worth the wait....


    But I want to snatch the pebble from the hand!



    No, really, I'd love to ride with some of my buds, keep up with them
    (if not out do them) then tell them my bike cost less than their groupset!

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    Listen!

    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    True.



    When a cheaper bike breaks, ok. Fine.
    When an expensive rig breaks? WTF?
    When an expensive bike does what it's supposed to do, no biggie.
    When a cheaper bike does what it's supposed to do? Awesome!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    He's Ahh-some!

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    he's actually not even in that video, try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I'm fortunate enough to have one of the pre-production 29ers they're introducing soon and I have a big smile on my face everytime I ride it.



    Any pics ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    he's actually not even in that video, try again.
    Who is? I thought ya'll were all bad and *****!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Any pics ?
    https://twentynineinches.com/2010/10...and-rumors-11/

    "Airborne Bikes, the direct to consumer bicycle company known for their titanium rigs in the late 90’s is back again. They were an early supporter of 29 inch wheels in their old incarnation, and now that they have arisen from the ashes, we have heard that they will now have a 29″er hard tail in the line up once again. This is supposedly close to the final version and is said to be spec’ed at a competitive level to a Fisher Collection X-Cal."






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    Thanks for the pics .

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Ahhh you beat me to it...lol
    yep those are the pre-production models
    The last one is mine with some changes from what will be stock.
    First two are pretty much what they will be, although with some cool graphics and different wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen

    Last edited by toddre; 12-06-2010 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Thanks for the pics .

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I was very surprised how well the bike rides. Jeremy over there did a fantastic job of finding that perfect balance of efficiency and comfort.
    This is my first ride on 2 x 10 (which will be stock). It's taken me a bit of getting used to shifting patterns but I don't think I can see myself going back to 3x9 for the type of riding I do.
    I think I'm done with triples myself.
    I don't remember using the smallest ring on my MTB.
    Plus, since I began riding a road bike, I've gotten only stronger.
    I'm definitely leaning towards a 2X10 for my build this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    I think I'm done with triples myself.
    I don't remember using the smallest ring on my MTB.
    Plus, since I began riding a road bike, I've gotten only stronger.
    I'm definitely leaning towards a 2X10 for my build this winter.
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    I am always fascinated when I witness complete strangers tell other complete strangers how they should spend their money. Buy an Airborn, a Motobecane, a Mongoose... whatever. Doesn't matter as long as you're on the trail, having fun and making your body stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    What do you plan on building up?
    A 2011 Turner 5 Spot.

    Until that is done, I NEED a trail bike to keep me content (hence, the Zeppelin).


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    A 2011 Turner 5 Spot.

    Until that is done, I NEED a trail bike to keep me content (hence, the Zeppelin).

    Turner will be a nice ride... The Zepp should do just fine until the Turner's ready....

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Turner will be a nice ride... The Zepp should do just fine until the Turner's ready....
    Totes McGotes!




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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Turner will be a nice ride... The Zepp should do just fine until the Turner's ready....
    Totes McGotes!



    Last edited by 2ndgen; 12-03-2010 at 05:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Totes McGotes!
    Not sure what you're implying with those pics, but those two bikes are significantly different in rear suspenion design and performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Not sure what you're implying with those pics, but those two bikes are significantly different in rear suspenion design and performance
    one is a DW-Link that will pedal very good and the other one is a single pivot with no platform that will pedal like a pogo stick. If pogo sticking is your sort of thing, then have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Not sure what you're implying with those pics, but those two bikes are significantly different in rear suspenion design and performance
    You're absolutely correct. You're not sure of what I was trying to imply with those pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    You're absolutely correct. You're not sure of what I was trying to imply with those pics.
    That they are both painted white?

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    They are both bicycle shaped objects ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    They are both bicycle shaped objects ?
    Bingo!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Bingo!


    Did you see the latest Dirt Rag? Gave it a fairly descent review...

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    Actually, I can ride trails with both of them.

    It's just that with one, I can only do $800. worth of MTB stuff and with the other,
    I can do $8,000. worth of MTB stuff (or roughly, 10X's as much MTB stuff)!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen


    Actually, I can ride trails with both of them.

    It's just that with one, I can only do $800. worth of MTB stuff and with the other,
    I can do $8,000. worth of MTB stuff (or roughly, 10X's as much MTB stuff)!

    l
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Did you see the latest Dirt Rag? Gave it a fairly descent review...
    Of course. All Airborne bikes seem to get decent reviews.
    How could one "not" have fun on a trail on a Zeppelin?

    What? Just because it comes with entry-level components and weighs
    5lbs more than the average 5" travel bike costing 3 times as much?

    I'm not even going to wait for the 2011's (which are different designs).
    I'd be totally content with the 2010 and I'll just ride it into the ground.
    And if my Turner is in the shop, I'll have the Zep to ride and vice/versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    That's almost like an S.A.T. math question...lol


    "Billy went to go buy a Zep to ride on the trails.
    Bobby decided to wait to buy a Turner for the trails.
    Billy spent all year riding his Zep, then bought a Turner.
    Bobby eventually got his Turner too, but lost an entire year of riding.

    Which one had more fun that year?

    A) Billy
    B) Bobby"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Of course. All Airborne bikes seem to get decent reviews.
    How could one "not" have fun on a trail on a Zeppelin?

    What? Just because it comes with entry-level components and weighs
    5lbs more than the average 5" travel bike costing 3 times as much?

    I'm not even going to wait for the 2011's (which are different designs).
    I'd be totally content with the 2010 and I'll just ride it into the ground.
    And if my Turner is in the shop, I'll have the Zep to ride and vice/versa.
    If you do decide to get one... find some place that can order you a heavy spring for the Tora fork... it's woefully under sprung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen


    "Billy went to go buy a Zep to ride on the trails.
    Bobby has to wait to buy a Turner for the trails.
    Billy spent all year riding his Zep, then bought a Turner.
    Bobby eventually got his Turner too, but lost an entire year of riding.

    Which one had more fun that year?

    A) Billy
    B) Bobby"

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    If you do decide to get one... find some place that can order you a heavy spring for the Tora fork... it's woefully under sprung.
    I'd slap on a used Fox Fork before I put any money into a Tora fork.
    That's one thing I like about the Airborne. Not so much proprietary tech (if any).

    I can play with suspension settings, cockpit adjustments, etc...so that when I get my uber-MTB,
    I'll have some experience and that will help me dial the bike in to my taste faster.

    It's going to be my practice FS bike. Like I said, I'll ride it like it's stolen,
    then apply what I've learned to my better bike and of course,
    I'll have a newer learning curve with the better bike as well.

    But, I won't have to go 1/2 a year without riding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Tough one...where is
    C) All of the above?

    Put yourself in Bobby's shoes as you sit on the sidelines while Billy rips past you yelling "woohoo!" for over a year.



    Is there really a C) option?
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    You two should just get a room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    You two should just get a room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    You two should just get a room.
    Are you making a sexual reference with that remark mbmb65?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    one is a DW-Link that will pedal very good and the other one is a single pivot with no platform that will pedal like a pogo stick. If pogo sticking is your sort of thing, then have fun.
    I own and ride the bike. There is some pedal bob, but nothing I would put in the pogo stick category. If I didn't look down to see the rear shock cycling, I wouldn't hardly even notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    I own and ride the bike. There is some pedal bob, but nothing I would put in the pogo stick category. If I didn't look down to see the rear shock cycling, I wouldn't hardly even notice.
    Thanks for that input PT.

    Besides that, how would you compare it to other similar designed bikes (5", single pivot, etc...)?

    Is your's completely stock? If not, what upgrades have you made to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poontank
    I own and ride the bike. There is some pedal bob, but nothing I would put in the pogo stick category. If I didn't look down to see the rear shock cycling, I wouldn't hardly even notice.
    Is there anyone on this thread that doesn't have some connection to Airborne?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Are you making a sexual reference with that remark mbmb65?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    Is there anyone on this thread that doesn't have some connection to Airborne?


    I have been asking myself the same question .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Are you making a sexual reference with that remark mbmb65?
    Wow. You're sharp. Strange bedfellows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    Is there anyone on this thread that doesn't have some connection to Airborne?
    I would say all the complainers who've never owned or ridden one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Wow. You're sharp. Strange bedfellows.
    And you're scary.

    I mean really, to suggest such a thing while we're just talking about bikes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    I have been asking myself the same question .
    AZ,

    Answer: Me.

    It looks like since the bikes were launched just this year, there aren't many riders on MTBR that have them or have ridden them.
    It would make sense that those with some type of affiliation would be the most experienced & most vocal about the bikes.
    Me? I'm just trying to learn about them until I get one in a few weeks.

    I wanted to know what to expect to fail first or what could be swapped out initially and I've gotten a
    few good suggestions here as anybody who's taken the time to read past the flaming would see.



    It's intriguing to me that magazines that Airborne doesn't advertise in and that have access to bikes costing
    10 times as much have good things to say about them which to me tells me that there just might be something
    to these relatively inexpensive bikes.

    Again, I'm a sucker for a cheap bike (or anything) that exceeds expectations and I love underdogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    And you're scary.

    I mean really, to suggest such a thing while we're just talking about bikes.

    Homophobic much? I simply suggested that you two guys get a room. If it's sex you want, that's your business. I never actually suggested any thing of the sort. You took those balls and ran with 'em. You two have fun now, you hear me? Enjoy your riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Thanks for that input PT.

    Besides that, how would you compare it to other similar designed bikes (5", single pivot, etc...)?

    Is your's completely stock? If not, what upgrades have you made to it?
    The video reviews posted on page 1 of this thread are mine. For the purpose of the first review I left the bike stock. Since then I've swapped out the wheels, fork and brakes which were all performance gains. I wasn't unhappy with the performance of the brakes, I was mostly trying to get the overall weight of the bike down with that move, but the Juicys are more powerful than the tektros they replaced so I make sure to list that as a functional upgrade. The rest of the changes were all about saving weight and I have not noticed a gain in performance with those changes. The X.9 shifters for example. To me, they don't shift any better than the stock X.7's, they are just lighter. I'm working on a new review with the last of the component upgrades and changes which include the Sun Ringle Charger Pro wheelset, 130mm Manitou Minute fork, Avid Juicy Ultimate brakes, SRAM X.9 shifters and LX Crankset. So keep an eye out for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Homophobic much? I simply suggested that you two guys get a room. If it's sex you want, that's your business. I never actually suggested any thing of the sort. You took those balls and ran with 'em. You two have fun now, you hear me? Enjoy your riding.
    Originally Posted by mbmb65
    "You two should just get a room."

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2ndGen
    "Are you making a sexual reference with that remark mbmb65?"

    Originally Posted by mbmb65
    "Wow. You're sharp. Strange bedfellows."

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...get%20a%20room

    1. get a room
    Derisive or humorous comment said to couples engaged in heavy-duty PDA (e.g. swapping spit in the middle of a party) that means your wanton lust is making me uncomfortable (or jealous). The implication is you should get a motel room because you're practically doing it here.
    Get a room you two love birds! We're trying to watch the game here.

    2. get a room
    A comment one says in order to express the disapproval of sexual acts in the presence of others. Poking fun at lovers doings sexual acts in public.
    "Dude, Ben and Misty are all over eachother. They should get a room."

    3. get a room
    What someone would say in reference to some intimate act that is entirely inappropriate in public.



    You wouldn't happen to have a bridge in Brooklyn I could buy would ya'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Originally Posted by mbmb65
    "You two should just get a room."

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2ndGen
    "Are you making a sexual reference with that remark mbmb65?"

    Originally Posted by mbmb65
    "Wow. You're sharp. Strange bedfellows."

    1. get a room
    Derisive or humorous comment said to couples engaged in heavy-duty PDA (e.g. swapping spit in the middle of a party) that means your wanton lust is making me uncomfortable (or jealous). The implication is you should get a motel room because you're practically doing it here.
    Get a room you two love birds! We're trying to watch the game here.

    2. get a room
    A comment one says in order to express the disapproval of sexual acts in the presence of others. Poking fun at lovers doings sexual acts in public.
    "Dude, Ben and Misty are all over eachother. They should get a room."

    3. get a room
    What someone would say in reference to some intimate act that is entirely inappropriate in public.



    You wouldn't happen to have a Brooklyn I could buy would ya'?

    A Brooklyn what smarty pants?

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    Why do i bother doing anything in these forums anymore???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    A Brooklyn what smarty pants?
    Here's where cornhole says "a bridge" and you (mbmb65) says "what" and cornhole responds "bridge, so you can get over it".

    I see what cornhole is doing and MAN, that was sooooo funny.

    I hope this guy (2ndgen) doesn't quit his day job at airborne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    AZ,

    Answer: Me.

    It looks like since the bikes were launched just this year, there aren't many riders on MTBR that have them or have ridden them.
    It would make sense that those with some type of affiliation would be the most experienced & most vocal about the bikes.
    Me? I'm just trying to learn about them until I get one in a few weeks.

    I wanted to know what to expect to fail first or what could be swapped out initially and I've gotten a
    few good suggestions here as anybody who's taken the time to read past the flaming would see.



    It's intriguing to me that magazines that Airborne doesn't advertise in and that have access to bikes costing
    10 times as much have good things to say about them which to me tells me that there just might be something
    to these relatively inexpensive bikes.

    Again, I'm a sucker for a cheap bike (or anything) that exceeds expectations and I love underdogs.


    If someone does have an affiliation with any bike co. it must be divulged with a disclaimer of some form .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    Here's where cornhole says "a bridge" and you (mbmb65) say "what" and cornhole responds "bridge, so you can get over it".

    I see what cornhole is doing and MAN, that was sooooo funny.

    I hope this guy (2ndgen) doesn't quit his day job at airborne.
    I knew you couldn't resist much longer.

    Again; 5, 4, 3, 2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail
    this has gotten way weird
    OP gets a response about the bike and replies to some other post
    bin time
    You are absolutely right.
    I gotta stop feeding them.
    From now on...only bike stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Why do i bother doing anything in these forums anymore???
    maybe because you have a vested interest in this thread?

    Isn't this you riding an unreleased airborne 29er?
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    Maybe if I ask like this:

    If the Zeppelin is based on IronHorse frames, was the IH a bad frame to begin with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    I knew you couldn't resist much longer.

    Again; 5, 4, 3, 2...
    practicing counting? That always helps with your anger problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Maybe if I ask like this:

    If the Zeppelin is based on IronHorse frames, was the IH a bad frame to begin with?
    This model YES.
    The Sunday(US made) was the only decent bike they ever made, pretty much everything (full suspension) else they ever made broke.

    A better question would be "Is Iron Horse still in business?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Why do i bother doing anything in these forums anymore???

    toddre,

    Just try this: "Add *************** & ****** To Your Ignore List".

    Works like a charm!

    The forum itself is the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    toddre,

    Just try this: "Add *************** & ****** To Your Ignore List".

    Works like a charm!

    The forum itself is the best.
    Why don't you add everyone to your ignore list that doesn't have an affiliation with airborne to your ignore list. Better yet, why don't you just take out an ad on here like all the rest of the advertisers.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    maybe because you have a vested interest in this thread?

    Isn't this you riding an unreleased airborne 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    This model YES.
    The Sunday(US made) was the only decent bike they ever made, pretty much everything (full suspension) else they ever made broke.

    A better question would be "Is Iron Horse still in business?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I think IH got bought by Dorel if I'm not mistaken
    Only after they ran themselves into the ground and the business failed in a spectacular fashion. Dorel bought nothing but the rights to the Iron Horse name. It was somewhat related to warranty issues with those broken fs frames, but it was the horrible management of this and other situations that actually put them out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Only after they ran themselves into the ground and the business failed in a spectacular fashion. Dorel bought nothing but the rights to the Iron Horse name. It was somewhat related to warranty issues with those broken fs frames, but it was the horrible management of this and other situations that actually put them out of business.
    The owners were the father and son duo at Randall Scott cycling. They screwed their dealers, customers and creditors. I can't name anyone that has one of the chinese made iron horse frames that hasn't cracked or completely broken the rear swingarm. I'm sure since these new frames are built by the same factory, to the same designs, they will be less prone to break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    This model YES.
    The Sunday(US made) was the only decent bike they ever made...A better question would be "Is Iron Horse still in business?"
    Titus went out, and I think we could agree that they made good product. I speculate (based on layoffs and discontinuation of technologies) that Haro will be out of mountain biking soon as well. That's the way it goes in the business now- one missed interest payment and you're the next Mongoose.

    My limited understanding of IH (which was K2 as well, right?) was that the bikes were basically decent if non-spectacular, and the MKIII was the problem child.

    I initially remarked about Airborne and Dirt Rag a.) because DR usually only reviews $5K+ rigs and 2.) because that Huffy bicycle didn't explode into a million pieces on the rocky trails they test on.

    As far as all the gay stuff goes, any time you can put Vito Spadafore in a forum post you're doing all right...
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

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    I appreciate your desire for reviews from actual users...at the same time i bought one of these for cruising around campus
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Schwinn-Me...d-Bike/8399247
    because it has 4.5/5 star review rating from 166 different people.

    It was crap, and fell apart in the first six months...what gives?

    I am not saying airbornes are schwinns, in fact i have ridden there Taka DH bike and it seemed great. I am just saying, other people can say something is good all day but there are so many factors that could change the way a bike holds up... the biggest being what "riding hard" looks like to each person.

    At some point i think you have to trust your gut...

    My 2 cents would be to get the airborne, but only because it has some high quality components and not because some guy said it was great

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    Thanks to all for reeling the thread back on topic.
    (And Big, thanks for the comedic relief! )

    Anybody have any experiences with Airborne failures?

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    Okay , how many actual Airborne riders viewing this thread ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Okay , how many actual Airborne riders viewing this thread ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Now that that's over with, back to the topic.

    Thanks to those who've contributed good information to the threads.

    I'll pick up one of these bikes and will give you guys my assessment of how they perform when compared
    to bikes in their range and to bikes costing twice as much (apples to apples and apples to oranges).

    I'd really love to see it go up against the King of the cheap full suspension bikes;
    The Giant Yukon FX (probably the first <$1,000. FS bike that got great reviews).

    Personally, the Airbornes look like they could take a lot more of a beating than the Giant could.

    The Giant Yukon FX was my 1st bike. For the price of 799 it was an awesome bike. The rear shock was exceptionally good. I was expecting it to be garbage. The bike really impressed me. I'd give it a shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazard74
    The Giant Yukon FX was my 1st bike. For the price of 799 it was an awesome bike. The rear shock was exceptionally good. I was expecting it to be garbage. The bike really impressed me. I'd give it a shot.
    It's definitely a great bike.

    I came near to pulling the trigger on one.
    When I came back for it, it was gone.
    I'll make sure I check one out before I purchase anything.

    Good bikes are getting cheaper and cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Good bikes are getting cheaper and cheaper.


    Really ? They seem to be getting more expensive to me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen

    Good bikes are getting cheaper and cheaper.


    Define "good".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Really ? They seem to be getting more expensive to me .
    I think you are missing the point he was trying to make. i.e. the airborne bikes are cheap in comparison to all those $8,000 mountain bikes we all ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Really ? They seem to be getting more expensive to me .
    Take that Giant Yukon FX.
    With it's spec, how much would that bike cost 5 years ago?
    I'd say at least twice as much.

    I was at my LBS today looking at 5" FS bikes.
    The current Fuel EX Series is pretty much what the Remedy was 2 years ago.
    Even the low level EX 5 has ABP and they are going for about $1200.

    I just heard of a couple of great quality full carbon road bikes with full 105 groups selling in the neighborhood of $1,500.
    I've never seen them that low from a well established and reputable company (in this case, they were Cannondale Six 5s).

    Even Intense is selling their Tracer VPs frames now for under $2000.
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    While prices may be going down , group specs are going down as well . Bikes that used to be speced at XT levels are now being speced at SLX or less , no free rides , less value . As far as $8000.00 bikes , I'm pretty sure that allof my bikes do not tally up to that much money .

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Define "good".
    Good for a sub-$1000. is a bike you can take on a trail that won't fall apart,
    that can be serviced and that can be upgraded.
    Good in that it can do what it was designed to do.
    Again, that Yukon is a great example of what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    As far as $8000.00 bikes , I'm pretty sure that allof my bikes do not tally up to that much money .
    neither do mine. I wouldn't want an $8000 bike either. You missed my

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    While prices may be going down , group specs are going down as well . Bikes that used to be speced at XT levels are now being speced at SLX or less , no free rides , less value . As far as $8000.00 bikes , I'm pretty sure that allof my bikes do not tally up to that much money .
    Agreed, but even SLX has been touted to be a very good quality groupset
    (from what I read last year in one of the mags, it compares closely to XT).

    Colorado Cyclist has a Santa Cruz Superlight-D (4" suspension) for $1300. with a decent spec.
    (XT/SLX mix, Race Face cockpit, WTB saddle, Kendas, Juicy 3s, Rock Shock Tora SL + Fox Float R) & <29lbs)

    Good? Not good?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Agreed, but even SLX has been touted to be a very good quality groupset
    (from what I read last year in one of the mags, it compares closely to XT).

    Colorado Cyclist has a Santa Cruz Superlight-D (4" suspension) for $1300. with a decent spec.
    (XT/SLX mix, Race Face cockpit, WTB saddle, Kendas, Juicy 3s, Rock Shock Tora SL + Fox Float R) & <29lbs)

    Good? Not good?

    That's a end of year closeout. Shops always blow out their past years inventory to avoid paying taxes on them. Compare MSRP's if you want to compare apples to apples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    neither do mine. I wouldn't want an $8000 bike either. You missed my



    Yes I missed it . To the OP , comparing MSRP's as suggested by AST1969 is the way to go , unless your talking about BD .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    To the OP , comparing MSRP's as suggested by AST1969 is the way to go , unless your talking about BD .

    That price is for current year models.

    MSRP? What's that?
    I never pay MSRP.


    Next year's models are only $200. more.
    At $1,508.95 (including tax AND shipping) do you think that's a good price for that bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    That price is for current year models.

    MSRP? What's that?
    I never pay MSRP.


    Next year's models are only $200. more.
    At $1,508.95 (including tax AND shipping) do you think that's a good price for that bike?


    No body pays MSRP , and $200.00 more is still more any way you want to spin it , not to mention the reduced value of the component group that it is speced with .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    No body pays MSRP , and $200.00 more is still more any way you want to spin it , not to mention the reduced value of the component group that it is speced with .
    But...do you consider it a good price for a bike with that spec?
    If in your opinion it's not, then just say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    But...do you consider it a good price for a bike with that spec?
    If in your opinion it's not, then just say no.





    Yes , if you don't mind single pivot and it's associated characteristics .

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    Man, I would so try that bike out at that price point- the msrp even seems like a decent price...
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Yes , if you don't mind single pivot and it's associated characteristics .
    I think it's a good deal too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSharks
    Man, I would so try that bike out at that price point- the msrp even seems like a decent price...
    I think the only weak points on that particular bike would be the crankset and the fork.
    I think everything else is okay. "If" I was forced to have that bike, I'd get a used Fox fork,
    sell off the OEM fork (probably for what the used fork would cost me) and pick up an XT
    crankset from across the pond for about $150..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    I think the only weak points on that particular bike would be the crankset and the fork.
    I think everything else is okay. "If" I was forced to have that bike, I'd get a used Fox fork,
    sell off the OEM fork (probably for what the used fork would cost me) and pick up an XT
    crankset from across the pond for about $150..
    So that would bring the bikes cost to about 2 grand? Is "that" a good deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    So that would bring the bikes cost to about 2 grand? Is "that" a good deal?
    First; www.rif.org

    Secondly, re-read what I wrote. The fork would be an even swap just about and the only additional cost would be about
    $150. so the "upgraded" bike (with a full Fox suspension) would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1550.-$1600.

    Are there any bikes now selling with that spec for the upcoming model year @ for around $1600. from a reputable
    company like Santa Cruz?

    For $2100., I'd go for a Santa Cruz Nickel if I had to have a Santa Cruz.

    Matter of fact, the 2011 seems to have a better fork & crank than the 2010 which I couldn't swap out after all.

    Specifications:
    Frame: Santa Cruz Superlight
    Fork: RockShox Recon R Solo Air, Silver, 120mm
    Headset: FSA Orbit UF
    Stem: RaceFace Ride XC
    Bar: RaceFace Ride XC Low Riser
    Shifters: Shimano Deore SL-M590
    Brakes: Avid Juicy 3 w/ 160mm rotors
    Grips: Lizard Skins Charger
    Chain: Shimano HG-53
    Crankset: Shimano Deore M590, 22-32-44T
    Bottom-bracket: Shimano Deore
    Cassette: Shimano HG-50, 11-34T
    Front Derailleur: Shimano SLX M660
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano SLX M662-SGS Shadow
    Rear Shock: Fox Float R
    Seatpost: RaceFace Ride XC
    Saddle: WTB Rocket V Comp
    Skewers: Shimano
    Tires: Maxxis Crossmark, 26 x 2.1", steel bead
    Tubes: Presta
    Wheelset: Shimano Deore M525 hubs / DT Swiss Champion spokes / Mavic XM 117 rims
    Pedals: not included
    Travel: 4"
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    How many of these bikes have you ridden ? IMHO , go ride a bunch of bikes and buy the one that fits and feels the best .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    How many of these bikes have you ridden ? IMHO , go ride a bunch of bikes and buy the one that fits and feels the best .
    I'm not considering the Santa Cruz.

    I was using them as an example of how we are getting more bike for less money today than
    say 5 years ago comparatively speaking (trickle down technology, build quality, weight, etc...).



    (which is tied to the OP...a $600. full suspension bike that can be ridden for it's intended purpose)

    Actually, the Airborne Zeppelin comes down to $570. shipped when you factor in the 5% Giantnerd
    kicks back for site purchases (towards pedals maybe?). When has a $570. ever come with these specs?

    http://www.giantnerd.com/airborne-ze...s-country.html

    Pretty solid deal for the money I think for a 5" travel bike with disc brakes and decent brands for it's groupset.

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    Have you ridden the Airborne ? If you have not , please do .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    First; www.rif.org

    Secondly, re-read what I wrote. The fork would be an even swap just about and the only additional cost would be about
    $150. so the "upgraded" bike (with a full Fox suspension) would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1550.-$1600.

    Are there any bikes now selling with that spec for the upcoming model year @ for around $1600. from a reputable
    company like Santa Cruz?

    For $2100., I'd go for a Santa Cruz Nickel if I had to have a Santa Cruz.

    Matter of fact, the 2011 seems to have a better fork & crank than the 2010 which I couldn't swap out after all.

    Specifications:
    Frame: Santa Cruz Superlight
    Fork: RockShox Recon R Solo Air, Silver, 120mm
    Headset: FSA Orbit UF
    Stem: RaceFace Ride XC
    Bar: RaceFace Ride XC Low Riser
    Shifters: Shimano Deore SL-M590
    Brakes: Avid Juicy 3 w/ 160mm rotors
    Grips: Lizard Skins Charger
    Chain: Shimano HG-53
    Crankset: Shimano Deore M590, 22-32-44T
    Bottom-bracket: Shimano Deore
    Cassette: Shimano HG-50, 11-34T
    Front Derailleur: Shimano SLX M660
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano SLX M662-SGS Shadow
    Rear Shock: Fox Float R
    Seatpost: RaceFace Ride XC
    Saddle: WTB Rocket V Comp
    Skewers: Shimano
    Tires: Maxxis Crossmark, 26 x 2.1", steel bead
    Tubes: Presta
    Wheelset: Shimano Deore M525 hubs / DT Swiss Champion spokes / Mavic XM 117 rims
    Pedals: not included
    Travel: 4"
    I had no problem comprehending what you wrote. You assume that you and everybody else will be able to make your nifty little fork swap easy peasy and all will be fine in the world. Regardless of what happens to the oem fork, your still replacing it. That takes money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Have you ridden the Airborne ? If you have not , please do .

    Will do!

    And, as stated earlier in this thread, will report with my personal review of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Will do!

    And, as stated earlier in this thread, will report with my personal review of the bike.
    No, please don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    No, please don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Why not... some of use might be curious how he likes it



    Yeah , I'm looking forward to a fanboi review from someone who obviously does not know jack about MTB's . Please , no review's , it will be anti climatic at best and a complete waste of band width just like this thread .

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Yeah , I'm looking forward to a fanboi review from someone who obviously does not know jack about MTB's . Please , no review's , it will be anti climatic at best and a complete waste of band width just like this thread .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    I had no problem comprehending what you wrote. You assume that you and everybody else will be able to make your nifty little fork swap easy peasy and all will be fine in the world. Regardless of what happens to the oem fork, your still replacing it. That takes money.
    Well, you said $2000.
    I said even on the fork swap and $150. for the crankset.
    That to me adds up to you failing to comprehend "somewhere"
    (whether it be in what you thought you read or your math, etc...).

    I never discussed fork compatibility, but I did mention in this thread how non-proprietary
    technology is a + in my eyes in that it gives one more options when upgrading.

    And, "replacing" a fork doesn't necessarily automatically add cost to a bike.
    Sometimes it can even lower the cost of a bike. In this case, it's a break-even swap.
    But hey, that's just diversion from what we were discussing after all, aint it?

    Fact is, for the money, the example I provided is a good deal.
    I don't think anybody here up until this point has refuted that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    So then don't read it.. it's that easy
    Toddre, wax on, wax off!



    Amazing to me how some people become so emotional about what other people (that they will never meet) say or do.
    Scary at times. Geez! You'd think that I insulted the prophet mohammed or something.

    Fellas, they are just bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Toddre, wax on, wax off!



    Amazing to me how some people become so emotional about what other people (that they will never meet) say or do.
    Scary at times. Geez! You'd think that I insulted the prophet mohammed or something.

    Fellas, they are just bikes!

    how does it feel to be a puppet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    how does it feel to be a puppet?
    Last edited by toddre; 12-06-2010 at 12:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I'd like to ask a question and I do this with respect and not trying to start any kind of flame war or anything. It's just something I don't get and maybe you guys can help me better understand.

    If a guy shows some enthusiasm for a bike (ok maybe a bit over the top ) and it's agreed he has no relationship to Airborne, and he's just asking questions and has comments that you (and I use the term "you in general, not you specifically) disagree with... Why keep coming on here and bashing him/Airborne/others... why not just state an opinion and then move on and ignore the thread?

    Again, this is not a personal attack...just a question
    I guess it's the same reason that you keep coming on here and defending him.

    oh nevermind, I'm not affiliated with airborne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    I guess it's the same reason that you keep coming on here and defending him.

    oh nevermind, I'm not affiliated with airborne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Intelligent and well thought out...thank you
    I think a better answer to your question would be this, when someone starts a thread and they seem OVERLY enthusiastic about a product that they don't own, it comes across as a shill. When the main players backing up the OP (yourself, poontank, and mr.airborne himself) are all proven to have an undisclosed affiliation to airborne, it really starts to smell bad. Add to the fact that this guy is a real clown, it becomes comical. Better answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    I think a better answer to your question would be this, when someone starts a thread and they seem OVERLY enthusiastic about a product that they don't own, it comes across as a shill. When the main players backing up the OP (yourself, poontank, and mr.airborne himself) are all proven to have an undisclosed affiliation to airborne, it really starts to smell bad. Add to the fact that this guy is a real clown, it becomes comical. Better answer?
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    The barrage of spam by other members of the "fight crew" over the last year or so has not endeared the brand to a lot of folks , it grows tiresome . The association with RS Cycle is not helping either , many people remember the drama from the IH fiasco . Combine those things with the over the top threads extolling the virtues of a 20 y.o. design that never worked that well to begin with and you can expect a certain amount of grief . Then throw in your posts and the fact that you did not follow protocol and divulge your association with the company , you wind up with this kind of thread that reeks of SPAM .

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    But why keep coming back and attacking, instead of just ignoring it?
    shouldn't I ask you the same question? This site survives through ad revenue and when you guys spam the forums, you are stealing money from the site owners. You, poontank, mr. airborne, and mr. clown seem to be the one's who "ignore" members if they don't share your enthusiasm for your bikes. If you don't like criticism for your scheme, I suggest you buy an ad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    The barrage of spam by other members of the "fight crew" over the last year or so has not endeared the brand to a lot of folks , it grows tiresome . The association with RS Cycle is not helping either , many people remember the drama from the IH fiasco . Combine those things with the over the top threads extolling the virtues of a 20 y.o. design that never worked that well to begin with and you can expect a certain amount of grief . Then throw in your posts and the fact that you did not follow protocol and divulge your association with the company , you wind up with this kind of thread that reeks of SPAM .
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    shouldn't I ask you the same question? This site survives through ad revenue and when you guys spam the forums, you are stealing money from the site owners. You, poontank, mr. airborne, and mr. clown seem to be the one's who "ignore" members if they don't share your enthusiasm for your bikes. If you don't like criticism for your scheme, I suggest you buy an ad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Funny, i haven't seen much over the last year on here regarding Airborne people except for the defending the brand from people who have no idea what they're talking about.
    Anyways, I will admit I should have put in my thread that I'm on the Flight Crew I forgot and I DID fix it)... And I'd assume that most of the people reading this realized that Jeremy/BigDaddy designed the new bikes and works for them but that's besides the point...
    I just don't understand why not ignore the posts after you stated you peace, or report it to MTBR and let them decide whether the talk is over the top, Spam-wise. I just don't get the personal attacks (and not just on here)..who knows, maybe I expect more from people
    The new bikes are IH designs , I do not ignore the constant stream of SPAM , I did not make a personal attack upon you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Toddre, wax on, wax off!



    Amazing to me how some people become so emotional about what other people (that they will never meet) say or do.
    Scary at times. Geez! You'd think that I insulted the prophet mohammed or something.

    Fellas, they are just bikes!

    Told you toddre.



    Think about it...there's only one reason why some people "care" enough about something as trivial as
    someone trying to get information on a product to launch one post after another full of personal insults.

    That's why you should just ignore them instead of giving them another 15 minutes of fame.
    It took me a while to learn to not respond to people like that and to focus on the legitimate
    thread related posts so that the thread won't get jacked into a flame war.

    It doesn't matter "why" some would waste their own personal time on a thread that they seem to vehemently
    disagree with (that right there should tell you something about their decision making skills).

    Let's just try to stick to the thread's topic and to related subject matter.



    Just gotta be an adult and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    The new bikes are IH designs , I do not ignore the constant stream of SPAM , I did not make a personal attack upon you .
    Have you seen Airborne's 2011 FS models?

    As for the IH designed 2010s,
    for the money are they bad bikes?
    What was wrong with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    The new bikes are IH designs , I do not ignore the constant stream of SPAM , I did not make a personal attack upon you .

    Last edited by toddre; 12-06-2010 at 12:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Have you seen Airborne's 2011 FS models?

    As for the IH designed 2010s,
    for the money are they bad bikes?
    What was wrong with them?

    Last edited by toddre; 12-06-2010 at 12:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    fair enough... but keep in mind.. IH and Airborne aren't the same people (except for the RS/GianNerd sales-only connection, but don't get me started on that one)
    and the fact that their whole product line is rebadged IH frames. Funny that the frames are made in the same chinese factory, use the exact same frame designs, and are even sold by the same people.Why not just call them Iron Horse again? Answer: Everybody already knows what kind of company IH is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Let's do this, if you have a question about the line, PM me or ask on the FB page.
    General questions and defending the brand, I have no problems talking about on here, but I don't want to get into too many specifics on here yet. From that point of view, i can understand why some think of it as SPAM...
    Already in contact with one of your guys.

    And let's face it, someone affiliated with Airborne can't give me a "non-Airborne"/unbiased response regarding how they are.
    [Not that I have reason to automatically "not" trust one of you, but I'd like an owner's point of view]

    That's the point of the thread, for actual users to tell me (and the board I guess) why they are good
    and where they need help/work. I'd imagine for you guys, the feedback would be good as well.

    AND, for detractors to list their gripes with the bike; Just can't find any detractors
    who actually have experience with the bikes they are complaining about.

    Ignore the haters. They don't just hate on this thread, but have a history of hating
    on other threads (heck, at least one is a resurrected banned member).
    The best way to curb them is to not feed them.

    Now...back to bikes shall we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    and the fact that their whole product line is rebadged IH frames. Funny that the frames are made in the same chinese factory, use the exact same frame designs, and are even sold by the same people.Why not just call them Iron Horse again? Answer: Everybody already knows what kind of company IH is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndgen
    Already in contact with one of your guys.

    And let's face it, someone affiliated with Airborne can't give me a "non-Airborne"/unbiased response regarding how they are.

    That's the point of the thread, for actual users to tell me (and the board I guess)
    why their good and
    where they need help/work. I'd imagine for you guys, the feedback would be good as well.

    AND, for detractors to list their gripes with the bike; Just can't find any detractors
    who actually have experience with the bikes they are complaining about.

    Ignore the haters. They don't just hate on this thread, but have a history of hating
    on other threads (heck, at least one is a resurrected banned member).
    The best way to curb them is to not feed them.

    Now...back to bikes shall we?










    The simple fact that there are no Airborne users responding in this thread should tell you something .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexanderSupertramp1969
    shouldn't I ask you the same question? This site survives through ad revenue and when you guys spam the forums, you are stealing money from the site owners. You, poontank, mr. airborne, and mr. clown seem to be the one's who "ignore" members if they don't share your enthusiasm for your bikes. If you don't like criticism for your scheme, I suggest you buy an ad.
    Just for the record, I've never added anyone to an "ignore" list. I just don't respond to posts that don't need a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    The simple fact that there are no Airborne users responding in this thread should tell you something .
    EXACTLY.

    The only people/actors in this thread who have anything good to say about these bikes, ALL have an affiliation with airborne.

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