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    Airborne HobGoblin?

    Hey Everyone,

    Finally I can post a new thread since losing my complete "newbie" status!

    Just curious, I've been in the market for a new 29" mountain bike for awhile. I was originally drawn to the Airborne Goblin based on the value proposition. However, since I currently ride a full suspension bike (albeit ANCIENT at ~12 years old), I've decided I want to spend the $ on a full suspension bike.

    I recently learned of the upcoming HobGoblin and it intrigues me. I guess it is going to start off at ~$1700 with X7 components. That seems to be a great value.

    I've searched these forums and I'm surprised at how little info I've been able to dig up. I *think* the HobGoblin is supposed to arrive sometime in September.

    Anyone else out there have any info for us anxiously waiting?

    Pete

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    Due to component supply issues we are forced to push the HobGoblin availability back to October. Soon we will have the HobGoblin webpage up with info, photos, and a pre-order offer. Sorry about the delay!
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    Is there a time frame for a web page on the additional 7000 series tube bike(s) you have mentioned.

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    The HobGoblin (4" travel XC 92er) and the Toxin (7" travel FR/Park bike) are the two newest models that use 7000 series tubing, Both of them are due for October delivery.

    We are also doing XO and Frame-only version of the HobGoblin and Goblin bikes, and a frame-only of the Toxin. All are for October delivery so look for a webpage for all of that soon!
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    BigDaddyFlyer- much appreciate the update! Looking forward to hearing more about this model soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    The HobGoblin (4" travel XC 92er) and the Toxin (7" travel FR/Park bike) are the two newest models that use 7000 series tubing, Both of them are due for October delivery.

    We are also doing XO and Frame-only version of the HobGoblin and Goblin bikes, and a frame-only of the Toxin. All are for October delivery so look for a webpage for all of that soon!
    What is the difference with the 7000 series tubing?

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    Very cool to hear about these new 4" and 7" travel options. Can't wait to see the catalog pages.

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    I'm pretty interested in the Hobgoblin as my first FS bike. There's a different model I have my sights set on, but I won't get it until October if I order now. Either way, it'll be a month wait for me to get one or the other. Argh. Decisions.....

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    I am intrigued!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    The HobGoblin (4" travel XC 92er) and the Toxin (7" travel FR/Park bike) are the two newest models that use 7000 series tubing, Both of them are due for October delivery.

    We are also doing XO and Frame-only version of the HobGoblin and Goblin bikes, and a frame-only of the Toxin. All are for October delivery so look for a webpage for all of that soon!
    Holy crap!!! A 92er!!! That'll roll over ANYTHING!! Woohoo!

    But it probably handles like a truck.... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Holy crap!!! A 92er!!! That'll roll over ANYTHING!! Woohoo!
    LOL.

    Damn Lysdexia!
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    So I did a quick search on the 7000 aluminum...apparently it is stronger than 6061 and thus you can make lighter frames with it!

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    Looks somewhat like the Commencal and Mondraker suspension design. Always been curious how that setup rides.

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    Yeah, I was wondering when this would come up. I love the look of that bike, but have never been able to really test ride a FS out on the trail where it counts. I can't wait to see the options.

    Hey Airborne, how about a demo tour to Iowa....

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    Big daddy,

    any word on geometry for the hobgoblin? I am looking for more of a trail/am bike.. i am waiting patiently to send my money to airborne..

    any word on price for just frame/shock?

    maybe post more pics?

    im super eager to get one of these..

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    Hmm, yeah, a solid X7 FS bike starting at $1700? Tell me, what maner of brakes are on this bike. I'd love to see a full set of specs + geometry for it.

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    Thing is, looking at that setup I'd have to guess they're not going to be able to achieve anything close to short stays, i.e. 17.75" or under

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    Looks somewhat like the Commencal and Mondraker suspension design. Always been curious how that setup rides.
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    X7 with anything other that Avid brakes would be great.
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    Surprised there are no other updates on this HobGobin... Would really like to get more information on availability dates, costs, etc...

    Airborne...you gotta love social media...use it to ramp up your pre-orders by disseminating more info please!

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    bueller? hellllloooooo???? any more info on the hobgoblin?

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    Trust me if I could tell you (err........were allowed to tell you) more I would! Due to a couple supply issues running this close to production there are a few things about the spec, and therefor final price, that we can't put out yet in "print" because it may change. Its frustrating to wait...........

    In general the industry is hurting from supply issues because no one was prepared for the uptake in sales this past year. Many manufacturers and suppliers have been caught with their pants down. Whether it was due to mostly good riding weather in most of the US, people thinking there is an upturn in the economy, Generation X finding out its getting fat and needs to excercise, who knows?

    All I know is that it has made my life difficult as a product manager scrambling to find parts and make substitutions that dont change the origina price/design/function/timing parameters......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Trust me if I could tell you (err........were allowed to tell you) more I would! Due to a couple supply issues running this close to production there are a few things about the spec, and therefor final price, that we can't put out yet in "print" because it may change. Its frustrating to wait...........

    In general the industry is hurting from supply issues because no one was prepared for the uptake in sales this past year. Many manufacturers and suppliers have been caught with their pants down. Whether it was due to mostly good riding weather in most of the US, people thinking there is an upturn in the economy, Generation X finding out its getting fat and needs to excercise, who knows?

    All I know is that it has made my life difficult as a product manager scrambling to find parts and make substitutions that dont change the origina price/design/function/timing parameters......

    Jeremy
    Jeremy,

    I appreciate the honesty and info. Can you say approximate ETA on when this model will be released for sale? I.e. should I tell my wife this is what I want for Xmas?

    Thanks,
    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespicyfood View Post
    Jeremy,

    I appreciate the honesty and info. Can you say approximate ETA on when this model will be released for sale? I.e. should I tell my wife this is what I want for Xmas?

    Thanks,
    Pete
    Hey Pete, you're welcome! We are shooting for production in mid-October and the bikes will be in the warehouse end of October or beginning of November.

    Thanks!

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    Jeremy, i understand about keeping a lid on the final build, but i assume geometry is already final? can we know about that? I'm not trying to be a weeny, but my farthest concern is components.. i am looking for frame details to see if this is my next bike... I am ready to pre order on launch day, provided the geo suits me.. any way to get on a mailing list for the info when it is available?

    im soooooo ready to get one of these!!! i want 1,221,313 more pictures!!!!

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    Any updates available on the HobGoblin? More pic's, rumors, lies, anything?

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    Still suffering here from supplier issues.

    I won't go into details as to whom the culprits are because I don't want to be "that guy". All I can say is that I'm watching production dates slip by as we are waiting. We are suffering from the same issues on the Toxin Freeride/Park bike as well.

    At this time I don't want to give any product details, even angles. As soon as we can give more info we will, thanks!

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    Looks like a great bike. Love the design. Would love to see the spec sheet and pricing for it when it's available. However, the Hobgoblin looks very similar to the Fezzari Hidden Peak 29er... Is Airborne affiliated with them? Either way I would love to demo one. I think the New Goblin is in the works for me soon.
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    Um, wow, looking at the drive side looks like the same frame, different paint/decals

    Quote Originally Posted by DBackRider08 View Post
    Looks like a great bike. Love the design. Would love to see the spec sheet and pricing for it when it's available. However, the Hobgoblin looks very similar to the Fezzari Hidden Peak 29er... Is Airborne affiliated with them? Either way I would love to demo one. I think the New Goblin is in the works for me soon.
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    Both frames are made by Kinesis, with changes to specifcations and angles for each. Airborne is NOT related to Fezzari in any way.
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    So, it's just a cookie cutter frame designed by them for whom ever wants to brand market it as theirs, interesting
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    Both frames are made by Kinesis, with changes to specifcations and angles for each. Airborne is NOT related to Fezzari in any way.
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    Hmmm that is interesting... Not that I have a neg view of Airborne since most bikes are made in China or Taiwan now anyway but I'm assuming the Goblin frame is sourced the same way too then? Looks like Kinesis makes lots of frames. I'm still interested in the Hobgoblin and the Goblin. Wish you guys could come out to the east coast(PA,NJ,NY,CT area) so I can demo your bikes. Look forward to seeing the final version of the Hobgoblin.

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    No, the Goblin is not made that same way. Frames like the Goblin, Guardian, Skyhawk, Delta, Wingman, etc are all 100% inhouse designs.

    That HobGoblin frame is the first one we have done by tweaking an open-source frame from Kinesis. The reason for this is that being small, we don't order great enough quantities to make minimums for respected companies like Kinesis to make wholesale brand new dual suspension designs for us. The tooling expense is in the many parts like pivot arms, etc. Until we can order thousands at a time on something like this we have to work with open-source dual frames and make a deal with Kinesis to modify them to our specifications.

    What this means in relation to the frame that Fezzari is using is that we have tweaked several parts including angles, lengths, and the seat-tube is different in regards to how it is made and pivot arm attachment. In a way it is still our design, at least our bike is. We also have put extensive test-riding hours into ours which has aided our development.

    I hope that makes sense, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    So, it's just a cookie cutter frame designed by them for whom ever wants to brand market it as theirs, interesting
    Nope, see my explanation above, thanks.
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    Thank you for the very detailed explanation. I think it's great that a rep is actually on the mtbr forums answering questions. Sometimes smaller companies like Airborne is much like a breathe of fresh air. So any updates for the Hobgoblin? Any chance of a demo fleet making it out to the east coast?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBackRider08 View Post
    Thank you for the very detailed explanation. I think it's great that a rep is actually on the mtbr forums answering questions. Sometimes smaller companies like Airborne is much like a breathe of fresh air. So any updates for the Hobgoblin? Any chance of a demo fleet making it out to the east coast?
    Thanks! I know it sounds like a broken record, but I don't have any update on the HobGoblin. We keep getting dates that then come and go. Right now we are at the mercy a supplier that keeps missing deadlines for parts and are past the point of being able to change to a different supplier due to current long industry lead times. I won't throw any company under the bus because that's not my style, but it is very frustrating.

    On a brighter note, we are looking at doing some more consumer-type events next year and one of them is the entire Gravity East DH series. If we do go, in addition to some DH rigs we will bring a few XC rigs for folks to check out.

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    Bummer. Hopefully everything comes into place and we will see the Hobgoblin released. Look forward to next season and hope to see ya guys out east.
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    That's a "Makes sense" type answer and totally understand, just thought you guys were big enough to do this sort of stuff on your own, didn't think you were a smaller company than say Banshee, Niner etc.

    Sounds like if you've got the right riders who know there thing to help with the design tweaking, you could have something good there, will be interesting to see what pricing is like and if there'll be a frame only option at some point. Wish you guys the world of luck sourcing/getting those parts, seems to be a major headache for anyone who isn't one of the "Big" boys right now.

    Oh and have to agree, good and smart to have a presence on an active MTB forum.

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    No, the Goblin is not made that same way. Frames like the Goblin, Guardian, Skyhawk, Delta, Wingman, etc are all 100% inhouse designs.

    That HobGoblin frame is the first one we have done by tweaking an open-source frame from Kinesis. The reason for this is that being small, we don't order great enough quantities to make minimums for respected companies like Kinesis to make wholesale brand new dual suspension designs for us. The tooling expense is in the many parts like pivot arms, etc. Until we can order thousands at a time on something like this we have to work with open-source dual frames and make a deal with Kinesis to modify them to our specifications.

    What this means in relation to the frame that Fezzari is using is that we have tweaked several parts including angles, lengths, and the seat-tube is different in regards to how it is made and pivot arm attachment. In a way it is still our design, at least our bike is. We also have put extensive test-riding hours into ours which has aided our development.

    I hope that makes sense, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    That's a "Makes sense" type answer and totally understand, just thought you guys were big enough to do this sort of stuff on your own, didn't think you were a smaller company than say Banshee, Niner etc.

    Sounds like if you've got the right riders who know there thing to help with the design tweaking, you could have something good there, will be interesting to see what pricing is like and if there'll be a frame only option at some point. Wish you guys the world of luck sourcing/getting those parts, seems to be a major headache for anyone who isn't one of the "Big" boys right now.

    Oh and have to agree, good and smart to have a presence on an active MTB forum.
    Big Daddy knows what he's doing... He won't put something out there "just to get it out". If he doesn't feel it's up to his standards, he wait until it's right the first time. Kudos to him for doing that!

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    My wife was going to get me the zeppelin elite for an anniversary gift, but my size wasnt available (19). So now i'll have to tell her about the hobgoblin. I just hope its budget friendly like your other bikes. If the hobgoblin is going to be around the price thats floating around on the internet I hope there is going to be a cheaper, slightly detuned version available... kinda like the guardian vs goblin.
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    Okay, I getting a bike in November (anniversary present), so hopefully before then we will get some more info on the HobGoblin. I have ridden 15 different trails so far this year (going on a bike trip this weekend so adding some more trails to that number) and I haven't seen one Airborne bike. So I will be basing my decision of possibly getting an Airborne on the numerous good reviews I have read. My lbs is trying to push a cannondale on me, but we will see which is better for me once the specs/pricing are release.

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    I'm debating between the New Goblin and the HobGoblin. This is for DigDaddyFlyer, do you recommend waiting for the HobGoblin? Without knowing the specs, its hard to make a decision right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    I'm debating between the New Goblin and the HobGoblin. This is for DigDaddyFlyer, do you recommend waiting for the HobGoblin? Without knowing the specs, its hard to make a decision right now.
    The HobGoblin will be available as a frameset and two complete builds: regular and XO.

    More or less, consider the regular build to be like the parts spec on the Goblin and the HobGoblin XO to be the same parts spec as the Goblin XO. Was that vague enough for ya?

    We finally have a build date of the second week in November for the HobGoblins.



    So that means they will be in stock and ready to ship the first or second week in December. We should be able to release a little more info in a few weeks time.

    Whether you should wait or not is a hard call. They are two similar bikes. We've mimmicked the angles of the current black Goblin for the HobGoblin so if you owned both switching back and forth is pretty seamless. I've been riding both for the past 6-7 months and love both bikes. The HobGoblin is my go-to bike when we are doing a longer ride or if I know its going to be rocky (like Brown County). If I'm doing a shorter ride or a smoother trail, I tend to bring the Goblin.

    Hope that helps a bit! And like I said, more info to come in the next few weeks!

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    Few more weeks for more info! This is torture!
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    That's awesome news and I look forward to seeing the Hobgoblin, definitely interested in it since body takes less of a beating with full sus. December? Just in time for my Xmas gift....

    Airborne has been receiving very positive reviews and great to see the manufacturer rep on the forum!

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    I'm very excited about the HobGoblin! Can you give us any further details about the components? Will the production models have the same color scheme as the prototype pictured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    So, it's just a cookie cutter frame designed by them for whom ever wants to brand market it as theirs, interesting
    Don't kid yourself, even huge companies like Specialized outsources their frames. You want in house, handmade you will have to pay for it. Otherwise expect the made in China sticker.

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    Read more carefully and you'll realise I said they didn't DESIGN their frames from the ground up, nothing to do with where it's being produced and FYI, only really low end steel/alu frames are made in China, higher end ones are made in Taiwan, China does do high end carbon though.

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    Don't kid yourself, even huge companies like Specialized outsources their frames. You want in house, handmade you will have to pay for it. Otherwise expect the made in China sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    and FYI, only really low end steel/alu frames are made in China, higher end ones are made in Taiwan, China does do high end carbon though.
    It did use to be that way, but times are different now.

    There are higher end alu frames made in mainland China. There are several companies that are making them there.
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    Excited to get pricing on this new HobGoblin! I've been seriously considering the Giant Trance 29er but it's a little pricey and would be a harder sell to the wife. Hoping the "entry level" HobGoblin presents a better value proposition...perhaps ~$2K instead of the ~$2.7K Giant I've been looking at...

    Moving to a new house in a few weeks doesn't help with all those associated costs but perhaps I can convince her it would make a good Xmas present!

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    Counting down the days...

    Jeremy,
    Can you comment on the pedaling efficiency of the Hobgoblin compared to the Goblin? Do you notice a big difference with losing energy as a result of pedal bob? Will the Hobgolin have a lockout?

    I currently have a high single pivot bike like your Zeppelin, and the pedaling performance is unsatisfactory. Hopefully switching to new Fox CTD shock will help. Especially concerned with long fire road climbs and out of saddle pedaling.

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betorac View Post
    Counting down the days...

    Jeremy,
    Can you comment on the pedaling efficiency of the Hobgoblin compared to the Goblin? Do you notice a big difference with losing energy as a result of pedal bob? Will the Hobgolin have a lockout?

    I currently have a high single pivot bike like your Zeppelin, and the pedaling performance is unsatisfactory. Hopefully switching to new Fox CTD shock will help. Especially concerned with long fire road climbs and out of saddle pedaling.

    thanks.
    Have the same issue on my zeppelin elite

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    Yeah there is no comparison between pedalling efficiency on the Zepp and the HobGoblin: the HobGoblin wins hands down. The HobGoblin climbs and pedals great!

    Single pivots aren't necessarily bad, in fact they work great for a lot of gravity oriented bikes and are certainly easier to maintain than complicated multilink systems. But generally they don't climb as well and can suffer occasionally from brake-jack.

    The HobGoblin in both standard and XO format will have a lock-out rear shock.

    Hope that helps!

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    Jeremy,

    Ok, I know you've been hush-hush on this b/c of the issues mentioned previously in this post. Any chance there are some updates you can give us regarding the HG? I am seriously considering upgrading this winter and believe a full sus 29er is in order (I talked to you about this at the Midwest Outdoor Experience). Chomping at the bit for some specs on this bike and the competition it is aiming at. I think I am leaning toward Spec. Epic Comp, Giant Anthem or Niner Jet 9. I love the business model and the fact that you guys are local. Also might toss my hat in the flight crew ring. Anywho, is there anything more you can feed us? i can't be the only one out there feeling this way.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Yeah there is no comparison between pedalling efficiency on the Zepp and the HobGoblin: the HobGoblin wins hands down. The HobGoblin climbs and pedals great!

    Single pivots aren't necessarily bad, in fact they work great for a lot of gravity oriented bikes and are certainly easier to maintain than complicated multilink systems. But generally they don't climb as well and can suffer occasionally from brake-jack.

    The HobGoblin in both standard and XO format will have a lock-out rear shock.

    Hope that helps!

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    What is brake-jack?? I'm still new sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    Jeremy,

    Ok, I know you've been hush-hush on this b/c of the issues mentioned previously in this post. Any chance there are some updates you can give us regarding the HG? I am seriously considering upgrading this winter and believe a full sus 29er is in order (I talked to you about this at the Midwest Outdoor Experience). Chomping at the bit for some specs on this bike and the competition it is aiming at. I think I am leaning toward Spec. Epic Comp, Giant Anthem or Niner Jet 9. I love the business model and the fact that you guys are local. Also might toss my hat in the flight crew ring. Anywho, is there anything more you can feed us? i can't be the only one out there feeling this way.

    Thanks,

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    I heard Jeremy was going to China to oversee some production runs...can we assume these are HobGoblin runs?!?! Given prior posts, we should get specifics in the next week hopefully...

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    Pete,

    Yeah, I guess i am assuming there will be HobGoblin runs. Possibly Toxin too. I know this bike is supposed to be ready for pre-order in about a week or so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    What is brake-jack?? I'm still new sorry
    I can't explain the dynamics behind the geometry as to why it happens, but:

    Brakejack happens on single pivot suspension when you apply the rear brake while going over rough spots or bumps in the trail. The brake action effectively locks out the suspension, so your rear shock is not moving while going over bumps, resulting in a harsh, hardtail like feel.

    Multi link suspension (DW, Maestro, and what is found on the Hobgoblin) remains active under braking, so you can blast in to a rock garden with the back wheel locked (not the recommended tactic), but the suspension will still soak up the bumps.
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    Just a teaser....or two........I can't give you any more info that this at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Just a teaser....or two........I can't give you any more info that this at the moment.
    That orange won't match my pink gloves. Gonna need you to fix that. Thanks for the pics. Def wanting one!!

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    Looks like internal cable routing, HUGE pivot bearings, and press-fit BB. Great job, guys!! Cant wait to get my hands on one!

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    Awesome!
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    Jeremy,

    Saw these pics on FB this AM. thanks for posting them here too. Awesome pics, now I'm gonna wait and see what you tell us about the bike. Love the orange, too bad it's not gonna be available complete. Maybe someone would wanna swap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    Jeremy,

    Saw these pics on FB this AM. thanks for posting them here too. Awesome pics, now I'm gonna wait and see what you tell us about the bike. Love the orange, too bad it's not gonna be available complete. Maybe someone would wanna swap?
    Just buy the complete bike AND the orange frame. Then you can swap it out yourself and mount the blue frame on the wall in your house! Win/Win!
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    dang.... maybe I should've saved more money and gone with an FS :x

    the matte white goblin frame is amazing as well. I'd swap that out on my guardian any day.

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    Is the orange the frameset only HobGoblin? If so where do I send money!?

    I decided I want to build up my HobGoblin myself, because I really want a 15mm or 20mm front axle and all the pics I've seen look like all of the complete hobgoblins have 9mm QR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    Is the orange the frameset only HobGoblin? If so where do I send money!?

    I decided I want to build up my HobGoblin myself, because I really want a 15mm or 20mm front axle and all the pics I've seen look like all of the complete hobgoblins have 9mm QR.
    Framesets only come in orange, but if you want a complete with a 15mm Maxle we do have one being built, it's the XO model and it is a different color all-together.
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    OK, one more teaser.........
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    Thanks for the teaser pics BDF!

    Super excited to get pricing info on this soon...

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    I kinda forgot about the xo version of this bike. man, probably gonna be out of my budget..


    Pete, I like being married too much to do what you suggest ;-)

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    I'm definitely excited for the Hobgoblin X7 build! I cant wait to see the complete specs so I can make a final decision whether to get this or a Giant anthem/trance 29er.

    Value aside, I wonder how the Hobgoblin's system compares to the Giant's Maestro rear suspension system. Maybe Bigdaddy could chime in or someone with experience on an prototype. Im not knowledgeable on these things and its really the only thing missing in my book to fully come to side with a hobgoblin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsid3r View Post
    I'm definitely excited for the Hobgoblin X7 build! I cant wait to see the complete specs so I can make a final decision whether to get this or a Giant anthem/trance 29er.

    Value aside, I wonder how the Hobgoblin's system compares to the Giant's Maestro rear suspension system. Maybe Bigdaddy could chime in or someone with experience on an prototype. Im not knowledgeable on these things and its really the only thing missing in my book to fully come to side with a hobgoblin.
    Exactly my considerations too! Would love to get thoughts on this....

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    That makes 3 of us. I haven't ridden a Giant yet but I would like to know the comparisons too. I wish the reg. HG was coming through w/ the 15mm Maxle

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    That makes 3 of us. I haven't ridden a Giant yet but I would like to know the comparisons too. I wish the reg. HG was coming through w/ the 15mm Maxle

    Keith
    For the pricepoint we will be selling it at, much like what we are doing with the Goblin, it's not possible. Sorry. We can't have everything~!

    But the XO version does have the Maxle.

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    let me know if you need any testers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    For the pricepoint we will be selling it at, much like what we are doing with the Goblin, it's not possible. Sorry. We can't have everything~!

    But the XO version does have the Maxle.

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    I am glad I re-read this! I first read it as saying the HG was not comparable to the Giant because of the price point...did not first realize you were talking about the Maxle!

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    I think we need more picks!!!

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    I'd like to see pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLEJCE View Post
    I'd like to see pricing.
    That's what we are all anxiously awaiting! I'm hoping this week...

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    This was posted yesterday on there facebook page Airborne HobGoblin?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1352320487.401970.jpg

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    I'll get you pricing as soon as I can. Like I've stated a few times you guys will know as soon as I can let it out. There's one more variable left that I am working on here at the factory that factors into pricing. The last thing I want to do is announce one price and then give you a different one later. Thanks for being so paitent; its great that everyone is so interested!

    Yep, in the photo that shows the X9 brakes, XO Gold shifters, FSA SLK low-rise carbon bars, and the velo lock-on grips with gold ends. Snazzy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I'll get you pricing as soon as I can. Like I've stated a few times you guys will know as soon as I can let it out. There's one more variable left that I am working on here at the factory that factors into pricing. The last thing I want to do is announce one price and then give you a different one later. Thanks for being so paitent; its great that everyone is so interested!

    Yep, in the photo that shows the X9 brakes, XO Gold shifters, FSA SLK low-rise carbon bars, and the velo lock-on grips with gold ends. Snazzy!
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    Man, I am jonesin' for some more info! Even a few more pics!

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    The suspense is killing me! I can't wait to get the parts list and price. Hopefully next week

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    i was watching a video of sea otter and it showed a bike called the warhawk. is that bike still going to be released?

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    or is the hobgoblin its replacement

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    I am curious about this bike. I live in Oklahoma so need for full suspension is not really there, although this bike at the price mentioned may be the one. I am in need for a new bike for next years race season and was looking at airbourne because of the components for the price. This was my first year of riding and I did it on a specialized hardrock. I'm 6'4 and really my only concerns are how the frames compare? I am not aware of dealers in my area so I would not be able to test ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaTiRo View Post
    i was watching a video of sea otter and it showed a bike called the warhawk. is that bike still going to be released?
    I believe Airborne scrapped that project to make room for bigger and better things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpatt28 View Post
    I am curious about this bike. I live in Oklahoma so need for full suspension is not really there, although this bike at the price mentioned may be the one. I am in need for a new bike for next years race season and was looking at airbourne because of the components for the price. This was my first year of riding and I did it on a specialized hardrock. I'm 6'4 and really my only concerns are how the frames compare? I am not aware of dealers in my area so I would not be able to test ride.
    Airborne does not have dealers. They are direct order only. But they will do everything in there power to make sure you fit. I'm 6'3" and I ride a 21" zeppelin elite or a 22" goblin.

    BigDaddyFlyer is a super helpful rep for airborne so he can answer anything you need. Cept pricing right now as that's hush hush

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    OK, you guys are getting the info here first.

    Price on the HobGoblin is $1749 plus shipping.

    From now until December 5th we will be running our free freight promo for any booked pre-orders. After that the free freight promo is over so if you want to save the $75 this is the only way.

    Bikes are due to be in the warehouse and shipping to customers the week of December 10th.

    The new HobGoblin webpage will be up and working later today, complete with photos and ordering info.

    Framesets and a macked-out XO version are both coming soon, more details on those to follow.

    Here are the specs for the $1749 HobGoblin:


    Frame:7000series Hydroformed Aluminum Dual Suspension 29" with 100mm of travel
    Fork: RockShox Reba RL 29 Dual Air w/Lock-Out, tapered steer, 100mm
    Headset: Ahead Sealed Cartridge 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered
    Rear Shock: RockShox Monarch RL with lock-out
    Brake Levers: Avid Elixir 3
    Brakes: Avid Elixir 3 Hydraulic Disc
    Rotors: Avid 180mm front, 160mm rear
    Shifters: SRAM X-7 2x10
    F Derailleur: SRAM X-7 2x10
    R Derailleur: SRAM X-7 2x10 Mid-Cage
    Cassette: SRAM PG-1050 11-36T 10-Speed
    Chain: SRAM Powerchain 1051
    Crank: SRAM X-7 2x10, 38/24 rings
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM PressFit30
    Pedals: NONE
    Rims: WTB SpeedDisc XC Alloy Double-Walled with eyelets
    Hubs: KT HiFlange Sealed Bearing 32H
    Spokes: Black 14g Stainless
    Tires: GEAX AKA 2.2"
    Handlebar: AIRBORNE Alloy 640mm wide, 15 degree rise, 5 degree sweep
    Stem: AIRBORNE Alloy +/- 7 Degree Rise, size specific
    Saddle: Selle San Marco Ponza Power
    Seat Post: AIRBORNE Alloy 31.6mm Diameter, 350mm Length
    Extras: Owner's Manual, Clear Coat, H20 Bottle Mount

    Thanks for your patience, and let me know if you have any questions!

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    mmmmmm so secksy. never tried a FS o_O

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    Thank you for going 31.6 on the seat. I want a dropper in the worst way and the 30mm on my zeppelin makes things difficult

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Thank you for going 31.6 on the seat. I want a dropper in the worst way and the 30mm on my zeppelin makes things difficult
    You're welcome!

    That 30.0 was done by the prior PM that came before me. All of the mountainbikes I have worked on have been 31.6 for availability and ease of upgrading seatposts.

    30.0 is a dead seatpost size and very difficult to find any more.
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    that's a lot of bike for the price.

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    When can we get specs on the geometry? My local LBS was blown away by my zeppelin and I mentioned the hobgoblin and how I was excited about it and I mentioned sub 2k 29er FS and he started asking me about head angles and all sorts of geometry questions that I didn't learn about in high school.

    Pretty good sign of a killer bike if a LBS owner is rocking one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    When can we get specs on the geometry? My local LBS was blown away by my zeppelin and I mentioned the hobgoblin and how I was excited about it and I mentioned sub 2k 29er FS and he started asking me about head angles and all sorts of geometry questions that I didn't learn about in high school.

    Pretty good sign of a killer bike if a LBS owner is rocking one.
    The webpage will be up later today with all of the info.

    Basically the geometry is almost the same as the new Goblin, so that the two ride very similar to each other. (71 degree HT and 74 degree ST angles).

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    Thanks BDF for the info first! Very excited and the price point is GREAT!

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    I don't see any web page with the Hobgoblin?!?! Am I missing something or did it not go up yet?

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    it's not up yet. I'm guessing it'll be released first thing in the morning! i'm not even buying it and i'm excited. a man can only dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by swl7 View Post
    it's not up yet. I'm guessing it'll be released first thing in the morning! i'm not even buying it and i'm excited. a man can only dream
    HobGoblin is up on the website now!

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    But I'm holding out for pricing on the XO!

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    Yeah sorry for the delay, I had the best intentions but was hampered by a delay related to the photos. Anyway, its all done and up! Thanks!

    Airborne Bicycles. HobGoblin
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    Looks great. How do you lockout the rear shock? Any options for a handlebar mounted way to
    Lock it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Looks great. How do you lockout the rear shock? Any options for a handlebar mounted way to
    Lock it out?
    The lever on the shock flips up to lock it.

    Rockshox offers a version of the shock that has a remote but I don't think its a simple matter of fitting it to it.

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    BDF: seriously love how active you are on these forums! Seriously makes me love Airborne!

    Question. I am ~5'11" with a 32" inseam, would the 19" HobGoblin be the size for me?

    Thank you,
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    the real question is. do I buy the frame when it's available and put my guardian's parts on it! would that be too mean for my hardtail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespicyfood View Post
    BDF: seriously love how active you are on these forums! Seriously makes me love Airborne!

    Question. I am ~5'11" with a 32" inseam, would the 19" HobGoblin be the size for me?

    Thank you,
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    Thanks Pete!

    Yep, the 19 would be perfect for you. It has a 30" standover and based on your two measurements I would assume you are fairly normal-proportioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swl7 View Post
    the real question is. do I buy the frame when it's available and put my guardian's parts on it! would that be too mean for my hardtail?

    Hmmm......

    Your Guardian's hurt feelings aside, I think financially it would make more sense to buy a complete HobGoblin. Here are the parts that won't transfer over from your Guardian:

    Cranks and BB
    Headset
    Fork
    Front Deraileur

    By the time you bought new ones of those, you would have been better off selling the Guardian and rolling that cash into the complete HobGoblin............plus you would end up with better brakes, shifters, cranks, fork, etc.

    Of course if you are stuck on the awesome orange color the new framesets are, well then I can't change your mind! I'm building up one of the orange ones for myself when they come it, they looked hawt in person...........

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    When will we get pricing info on the frame? Rear shock 6.5x1.5??

    If I upgrade my zeppelin shock over winter I'd love to just transfer my shock once it's ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    When will we get pricing info on the frame? Rear shock 6.5x1.5??

    If I upgrade my zeppelin shock over winter I'd love to just transfer my shock once it's ready to go.
    We'll officially release pricing and more info on the frame only soon, but unofficially it will probably be just under $900. That includes a Monarch RL shock with lock-out and headset.

    Shock specs are 165mm eye to eye x 38mm stroke.

    Thanks,

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    BDF: thanks for the sizing info!

    Will the XO model be announced and ship before Xmas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovespicyfood View Post
    BDF: thanks for the sizing info!

    Will the XO model be announced and ship before Xmas?
    You're welcome!

    Both the Goblin XO and HobGoblin XO were planned to be produced the same time the HobGoblins were made, however we had an issue with waiting on 2 key parts. So instead, they will be running down the production line the week of December 10th. We'll be releasing info and photos on them shortly afterwards. Look for them to be in the warehouse shipping out to customers by mid-January.

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    I meant to mention this earlier................

    Like the black Goblin, we managed to secure some of the last of the Dual Air Reba RL forks for this first production run of the new HobGoblin. Subsequent production runs will come with the Single Air version of the Reba RL as RockShox is moving to the Single Air platform on the Rebas going forward (for the same $$).

    So if you want a Dual Air, order your HobGoblin in the next month or two. After that, it and the black Goblin will be coming with the Single Air forks.

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    Weight

    Jeremy, I know bike makers don't want to post weights.

    But, seriously, how much does the 17" Hobgoblin weigh?

    Is it under 30?

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    Jeremy,
    You may have just swayed me away from all my other options for FS 29ers! The Hobgoblin looks great, and the blue is phenomenal.

    Question: Can you describe the leverage ratio and rate for the rear suspension? I'm wondering how it compares to all the other bikes I'm considering... Being a heavier guy, I also need to make sure that I'm not going to be near the limit for shock pressure.

    Oh, and the XO version better be above $4k or I'm going to get in trouble with the wife! She'll like the X7 price, but I don't think I can convince her to let me spend more than $3k on a bike right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffharris1us View Post
    Jeremy, I know bike makers don't want to post weights.

    But, seriously, how much does the 17" Hobgoblin weigh?

    Is it under 30?
    Website says avg. weight for 17" was 30.4lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnlwthrn View Post
    Website says avg. weight for 17" was 30.4lbs.
    Where did you find weight info on the website??

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    Go to the geometry tab, and then scroll all the way down.

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    Gotcha. Thank you sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnlwthrn View Post
    Jeremy,
    You may have just swayed me away from all my other options for FS 29ers! The Hobgoblin looks great, and the blue is phenomenal.

    Question: Can you describe the leverage ratio and rate for the rear suspension? I'm wondering how it compares to all the other bikes I'm considering... Being a heavier guy, I also need to make sure that I'm not going to be near the limit for shock pressure.

    Oh, and the XO version better be above $4k or I'm going to get in trouble with the wife! She'll like the X7 price, but I don't think I can convince her to let me spend more than $3k on a bike right now.
    Rear leverage ratio is 2.65 to 1. Shock travel is 38mm. I believe the max pressure on the shock is 300lbs.

    Sorry for the bad news, but the XO is gonna be well below $4K.

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    So I should hold off preordering the HobGoblin at this point? When do you expect to have the XO version up on the website?

    Never mind, I just saw your "mid-January" comment in a previous post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnlwthrn View Post
    So I should hold off preordering the HobGoblin at this point? When do you expect to have the XO version up on the website?

    Never mind, I just saw your "mid-January" comment in a previous post...
    No worries. Look for the XO page to be done and taking orders in mid-to-late December. We'll run the free freight promo deal on that one for pre-orders.

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    One more question while I'm at it... Any issues swapping the fork to 120mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnlwthrn View Post
    One more question while I'm at it... Any issues swapping the fork to 120mm?
    The frame is designed around an ATC measurement related to a 100mm travel fork. If you go 120mm on it, it will slacken the HT and ST angles and raise the BB.

    "Officially", we wouldn't recommend that you increase the travel to 120 as it does put additional leverage force on the HT junction area. In the real world, would it be OK? Probably.
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    On the frame only version of the HobGoblin. Is white the only color that the shock comes in? It looks very out of place with the rest of the bike. A black body shock would make a world of difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    On the frame only version of the HobGoblin. Is white the only color that the shock comes in? It looks very out of place with the rest of the bike. A black body shock would make a world of difference.
    There are no color options on the shock, it's white only. We think the white looks good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    There are no color options on the shock, it's white only. We think the white looks good!
    Will agree to disagree on the looks. Just the Orange frame with Black linkage and Black Decals>> a black shock just seems like the obvious choice (if there were one)

    I am sure the bike will look awesome regardless and when it comes down to it, looks are secondary to performance.

    Having a new Goblin, I was day dreaming about getting this frame (come bonus time) and switching out what I could so I could have another option as I get back into riding. And then eventually buy what I need to have two complete bikes.

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    Yeah we can't please everyone, no worries!

    I've got an orange frame-only coming to me in the next week that I'm going to build up. I'll be certain to post up some photos so you can check it out. I'm going to have a white reba on it so it should tie it all together nicely.
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    I think the bike looks amazing! I do have one question. Does the position of the shock make a difference in the ride? For example, the Salsa Spearfish has a shock mounted on the top tube, while the Hobgoblin has it mounted on the seat tube.

    I've ridden about 5 or 6 FS bikes, but just for demo purposes. I never really noticed a difference, but I'm a noob to the FS world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barheet View Post
    I think the bike looks amazing! I do have one question. Does the position of the shock make a difference in the ride? For example, the Salsa Spearfish has a shock mounted on the top tube, while the Hobgoblin has it mounted on the seat tube.

    I've ridden about 5 or 6 FS bikes, but just for demo purposes. I never really noticed a difference, but I'm a noob to the FS world.
    Thanks!

    There's a bunch of suspension designs out there, and depending on the design the shock mount orientation changes. Just the orientation of the shock itself doesn't necessarily influence the ride.

    This is a good read on suspension designs for both experienced riders and noobs. Take a look.

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 2 - BikeRadar

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Will agree to disagree on the looks. Just the Orange frame with Black linkage and Black Decals>> a black shock just seems like the obvious choice (if there were one)

    I am sure the bike will look awesome regardless and when it comes down to it, looks are secondary to performance.

    Having a new Goblin, I was day dreaming about getting this frame (come bonus time) and switching out what I could so I could have another option as I get back into riding. And then eventually buy what I need to have two complete bikes.
    I thought the same thing. But you can accent it nicely. With a white fork and then white grips and maybe white pedals if you ride flats.

    I was the same was with my zeppelin. Till I started changing things around.

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    everyone has different opinions about color options. personally, i like the contrast of the black fork on a white frame.

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    I would assume that when buying in bulk, the white would be less costly, helping them reach the price point of $1749. Every little bit counts!

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    Looks very nice indeed and the parts pick is quite good for that price, although I would toss the Avids immediately and replace with XTs. Curious what your policy is on a longer fork to slacken things out a bit and what type of riding would you say this thin could handle with a 120mm or even 130mm fork on it? Also curious about frame+shock weight? Most interested in frame only.
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    Plenty of people are happy with Elixirs, including me. I have no desire to put Shimano components on our bikes due to customer service issues, rep issues, and lead time issues.

    Frames are built around 100mm travle fork ATC and that's all we recommend.

    More info on frame onlys to be released soon, thanks.
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    Sweet! I only need about $1500 more!!!!! I NEED this bike!

    One day!!
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    Can't say I concur, not only my Avids were a PITA and needed constant bleeding, but so have countless others belonging to other riders I know. I won't buy another Avid brake until their QC improves. As for Shimano maybe having crappy CS, doesn't bother me as once I buy a bike and get it down here to the Caribbean I'm S.O.L anyways with warranty etc., same for any other place outside the US I'm guessing.


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    Plenty of people are happy with Elixirs, including me. I have no desire to put Shimano components on our bikes due to customer service issues, rep issues, and lead time issues.

    Frames are built around 100mm travle fork ATC and that's all we recommend.

    More info on frame onlys to be released soon, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Can't say I concur, not only my Avids were a PITA and needed constant bleeding, but so have countless others belonging to other riders I know. I won't buy another Avid brake until their QC improves. As for Shimano maybe having crappy CS, doesn't bother me as once I buy a bike and get it down here to the Caribbean I'm S.O.L anyways with warranty etc., same for any other place outside the US I'm guessing.
    I don't like the fact that this thread about our new product has devolved into an Avid versus Shimano brakes debate, especially on a bike that is built to hit a $1749 price-point and the bikes it goes up against (the Trek SuperFly AL 100 and Specialized CamberComp) use the same Avid brakes or a lower grade of Avids (Elixir 1's which are basically the old Juicy 3's with a few tweaks).

    Let's say I throw XT's on there. Now the bike is nearly $2000 retail. And it's going to arrive in February or March now because Shimano NEVER delivers on time and has the worst communication of ANY supplier I have ever dealt with. My US Shimano Rep is non-existent as far as I can tell. Emails and phone-calls to him fall into a black hole, never to be returned. Its been this way for years, even when I worked for another bike company.

    Just because you, and a few of your friends or folks that commiserate together on MTBR have had issues with some Avid brakes doesn't mean they are bad. I have never had any problems in the years I have been riding them and on my own personal bikes I currently have sets of Elixir R's, Elixir CR's, XO's, Elixir 7's, and Elixir 9's all in use on my bikes with no issues. None of the folks here in the office or others I ride with have had any issues. If give value to your small sample rate as being statistically valid, then you have to give equal credit to mine.

    Respectfully, everyone wants to play product manager and while I usually appreciate the input, in this case I really don't. I would prefer that you keep this discussion on target, especially given the fact you are really interested in frame-onlys.

    Info on the frames as far as weight and pricing will be up soon, thanks.

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    Sorry if I've derailed your marketing thread discussing a part you specd on your bike, but that is the price you pay for using a forum to do your sales and marketing, stuff gets discussed and not everyone shares your personal opinions. Fact is lots of people buy complete bikes knowing full well that not everything on it is what they want and already know they'll be replacing them as to them it's worth it to them.

    I noted a simple statement going from personal experience, other riders I know and lots of reading around the WWW about not liking the brakes specd on the bike and you've taken it as some sort of attack. Yes you met your price point using the Elixir 3s, and that's what it's all about, wouldn't expect you to use anything else as you must be getting killer pricing from SRAM using everything from them. You could also have met your PP or a bit higher with the Shimano Deore which are super impressive for the cost. Also saying you've never had trouble with the specd brakes and yet you have only used 7s or better makes you saying the 3's are good not reallt relevant - there is a big difference between even the 5's and 7's, won't even talk about the 3's & 7's .

    BTW, you're telling me, Joe Public, that I can pick up a set of XTs with ice-tech rotors for about $300 US shipped and you, big bicycle company would have to tack on $250 US for OEM XTs over the Elixir 3s, seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    I don't like the fact that this thread about our new product has devolved into an Avid versus Shimano brakes debate, especially on a bike that is built to hit a $1749 price-point and the bikes it goes up against (the Trek SuperFly AL 100 and Specialized CamberComp) use the same Avid brakes or a lower grade of Avids (Elixir 1's which are basically the old Juicy 3's with a few tweaks).

    Let's say I throw XT's on there. Now the bike is nearly $2000 retail. And it's going to arrive in February or March now because Shimano NEVER delivers on time and has the worst communication of ANY supplier I have ever dealt with. My US Shimano Rep is non-existent as far as I can tell. Emails and phone-calls to him fall into a black hole, never to be returned. Its been this way for years, even when I worked for another bike company.

    Just because you, and a few of your friends or folks that commiserate together on MTBR have had issues with some Avid brakes doesn't mean they are bad. I have never had any problems in the years I have been riding them and on my own personal bikes I currently have sets of Elixir R's, Elixir CR's, XO's, Elixir 7's, and Elixir 9's all in use on my bikes with no issues. None of the folks here in the office or others I ride with have had any issues. If give value to your small sample rate as being statistically valid, then you have to give equal credit to mine.

    Respectfully, everyone wants to play product manager and while I usually appreciate the input, in this case I really don't. I would prefer that you keep this discussion on target, especially given the fact you are really interested in frame-onlys.

    Info on the frames as far as weight and pricing will be up soon, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Sorry if I've derailed your marketing thread discussing a part you specd on your bike, but that is the price you pay for using a forum to do your sales and marketing, stuff gets discussed and not everyone shares your personal opinions. Fact is lots of people buy complete bikes knowing full well that not everything on it is what they want and already know they'll be replacing them as to them it's worth it to them.

    I noted a simple statement going from personal experience, other riders I know and lots of reading around the WWW about not liking the brakes specd on the bike and you've taken it as some sort of attack. Yes you met your price point using the Elixir 3s, and that's what it's all about, wouldn't expect you to use anything else as you must be getting killer pricing from SRAM using everything from them. You could also have met your PP or a bit higher with the Shimano Deore which are super impressive for the cost. Also saying you've never had trouble with the specd brakes and yet you have only used 7s or better makes you saying the 3's are good not reallt relevant - there is a big difference between even the 5's and 7's, won't even talk about the 3's & 7's .

    BTW, you're telling me, Joe Public, that I can pick up a set of XTs with ice-tech rotors for about $300 US shipped and you, big bicycle company would have to tack on $250 US for OEM XTs over the Elixir 3s, seriously?
    Let it go...... buy the bike and replace the brakes then....

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    I personally think all your fancy brakes suck. I removed them all and out fitted my bike with the metal rod brake from the mining cart in Indian jones and the temple of doom.

    Boy are those hills fun when the rod breaks and I have to use my foot!!

    Seriously dude. You think we cant search the net like you for reviews?? My bike has brakes from Tektro that everyone hates. They are fantastic tho. Go figure.

    And my fiances bike has shimano brakes and they are total sh!t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Also saying you've never had trouble with the specd brakes and yet you have only used 7s or better makes you saying the 3's are good not reallt relevant - there is a big difference between even the 5's and 7's, won't even talk about the 3's & 7's .:
    Go back and read what you originally wrote. You were speaking to Avids in general, and so was I. Now you are just being argumentative.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    BTW, you're telling me, Joe Public, that I can pick up a set of XTs with ice-tech rotors for about $300 US shipped and you, big bicycle company would have to tack on $250 US for OEM XTs over the Elixir 3s, seriously?
    You aren't privy to what things really cost in OE terms, all you know is what you can find on deals, bargains, and close-outs.

    By the time I add the OE cost of the rotor and brakes together, I am spending more than $60 more per wheel to add the XT's. That means the retail of the price has got to go up by approx $200.

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    Sorry if I've derailed your marketing thread............
    I'm done speaking with you about this. If you want to argue, please go find someone else to argue with.

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    buy the frame and put whatever brakes on it that makes you happy. bike companies can't please everyone with the specs ..... and i've seen many companies use those avids on more expensive bikes.
    and who complains about this kind of stuff on a $1700 bike?

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    That's just it, I never complained, said I'd buy the complete bike and just replace the brakes right away, that's it, Jeremy got upset about that little statement right there. Anyone who's dealt with bikes for a while knows companies cut corners when specking completes, to hit a certain price point, you either buy them like that and replace what you don't like or buy a frame and build up as you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaTiRo View Post
    buy the frame and put whatever brakes on it that makes you happy. bike companies can't please everyone with the specs ..... and i've seen many companies use those avids on more expensive bikes.
    and who complains about this kind of stuff on a $1700 bike?
    As to my Avid experience, of the about 20 guys I know who own and use Avid, 75% of them have had problems with them, generally after not long they hit a good DH and because they aren't properly pre-bled, they have air in the system and it expands locking off the caliper onto the rotor.

    You know until I made the smallest of mention of not liking a part on your build, you came across as a level person with some good sense, now I'm "arguing" and derailing your marketing spiel and you're pissed because I called a Spade a Spade - I'm wondering if you maybe didn't have a job before at Chumba.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer
    I'm done speaking with you about this. If you want to argue, please go find someone else to argue with.

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    Sorry if I've derailed your marketing thread............
    Well I never said anything bad about Tektro, from what I've seen on a few different brand bikes with the new ones they seem to be quite good actually. Just recently had experience with the Dracos and quite nice, but no long term on if they'll stay that way or not. So far on the Shimanos, from low to high, all I've seen is good results. I personally was sick of having to constantly bleed my Avids every month or two, much prefer my current Stroker Trails and just waiting for the XTs to come in stock in what lever/caliper combo to order a set..
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    ..........Seriously dude. You think we cant search the net like you for reviews?? My bike has brakes from Tektro that everyone hates. They are fantastic tho. Go figure.

    And my fiances bike has shimano brakes and they are total sh!t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    - I'm wondering if you maybe didn't have a job before at Chumba.
    I don't even know what or who Chumba is, nor do I care for that matter. Am I supposed to?

    I'm certain that was some sort of thinly-veiled insult, that I probably don't get since I don't spend as much time on here as you do, given your post count. Hence my label of you as being "argumentative".

    Please, just go to some other sub-forum if this is what your participation here is going to be like.

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    You are the argumentative one, you got all flustered from this one little statement, that's it, that's all I wrote and you went off on your tirade. Sadly this is MTBR, not Airborne's personal forum, where opinions are allowed and encouraged once kept civil and no trolling.
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    Looks very nice indeed and the parts pick is quite good for that price, although I would toss the Avids immediately and replace with XTs.
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    I have a question regarding the frame (and probably a more gerneral Airborne bike quesiton)
    The cable routing guides that are welded on the frame. Would the black plastic clip piece be included? Can these be bought as spares for existing complete bikes?
    I was working on my new goblin at dusk in my front yard and lost one in the grass. It took me a while but I located it. But I imagine these things will get lost in the future in a cable snag or crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    I have a question regarding the frame (and probably a more gerneral Airborne bike quesiton)
    The cable routing guides that are welded on the frame. Would the black plastic clip piece be included? Can these be bought as spares for existing complete bikes?
    I was working on my new goblin at dusk in my front yard and lost one in the grass. It took me a while but I located it. But I imagine these things will get lost in the future in a cable snag or crash.
    Thanks for getting this discussion back on track.

    Ahhh, the clips. We would just use zip ties during production on complete bikes, but unfortunately zip ties can trip up CPSC testing because if not cut nicely they can present a "laceration hazard".Seriously, who has ever cut themselves with the end of a plastic zip tie??

    So, like most manufacturers, rather than worry about how the factory may cut the zip ties we use the clips. On all of our personal bikes, and bikes that we build up for local pick-ups, the clips get thrown in the trash and replaced with zip ties. I recommend that you do the same. Plus then you get the added bonus of using different color ones if you want to add some accents to your bike.

    Hope that helps!

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    Nutz, I actually dig the clips. Have a nice clean-finished look to it.

    Besides, using cable ties will add all that extra weight!


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    i can't wait to see a review on the hobgoblin. i hope to find an omnihouse video on youtube in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilburnerDe View Post
    Nutz, I actually dig the clips. Have a nice clean-finished look to it.

    Besides, using cable ties will add all that extra weight!

    If you use the small cable ties they weigh less than the clips!
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    The HobGoblin frameset ordering/info page is up an running now if you want to check it out..........

    Airborne Bicycles. HobGoblin Frameset

    Here's a pic of my personal HobGoblin from my Thanksgiving morning ride yesterday. Pardon the crappy homemade chainstay guard and little bits of black tape protecting it from cable rub. My new chainstay guard and clear protector decals arrive today so it look prettier soon!
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    This bike looks great Jeremy! Just hoping the wife will let me pick up a present for myself for Christmas I have been wanting to make the jump into the 29er world, so thank you for making it an affordable jump! Great Work!

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    Really like the way this turned out. I'm hoping for an end of the year purchase. There is a serious amount of value packed into this package. Looking forward to seeing the XO price but more likely to stick with the X7 with a custom Ti DeSalvo road bike on order.

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    Jeremy I'm 6'4 and 185. I currently ride an entry level specialized hardrock and have no complaints other than components. How will this fit me and whats the warranty/return policy like? Looking to pick this up for next years race season. This was my first year riding and only rode during the summer. Was planning on a new hard tail at this price because other full suspension would require more dough for these components. Thanks

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    what size is your hardrock?

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    Xl so I assume that's 21inch. The frame fits me good but it's also the first mountain bike I've owned since I was younger. Plus since bought at one of my lbs it was set up to my height.

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    Anymore shots to show tyre clearance on this frame? Quite interested still despite, but need to know I can at least run a tyre that has some volume like a Maxxis Ikon 2.2" as a minimum, WITH room if there's mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpatt28 View Post
    Xl so I assume that's 21inch. The frame fits me good but it's also the first mountain bike I've owned since I was younger. Plus since bought at one of my lbs it was set up to my height.
    You'd probably fit just perfect on the 21inch HobGoblin. Check the geo details on the website and compare them to your Specialized, but I think they should be very close.

    We have a 30day satisfaction warranty so you should be able to buy with confidence. If you want to be certain before you purchase, give us a ring and talk to us about sizing to ensure it is good.....

    Anymore shots to show tyre clearance on this frame? Quite interested still despite, but need to know I can at least run a tyre that has some volume like a Maxxis Ikon 2.2" as a minimum, WITH room if there's mud.
    Below is a shot I just took of the underside of my personal orange one with a 2.1 SB8 on it. There is pleny of room for 2.2's plus mud. I'll be putting a set of 2.2 AKA's on it later this week and can take another shot if you would like.
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    Thanks for the shot - just to confirm, that's the chainstays in the pic right?. Never seen nor ran an SB8, do you have measurements on it? If it's like it's 26" brother then it should be just about as wide as a 2.1" Crossmark, maybe a tad narrower. Did you guys ever weigh any of the frames? Real curious as to weight, as this would be an XC setup for me and would be looking for a frame under 7.5lbs including shock.
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    From the website: Average weight for a 17" frameset including shock is 7.1lbs.

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    Guess I missed that, thanks.
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    From the website: Average weight for a 17" frameset including shock is 7.1lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Thanks for the shot - just to confirm, that's the chainstays in the pic right?. Never seen nor ran an SB8, do you have measurements on it? If it's like it's 26" brother then it should be just about as wide as a 2.1" Crossmark, maybe a tad narrower. Did you guys ever weigh any of the frames? Real curious as to weight, as this would be an XC setup for me and would be looking for a frame under 7.5lbs including shock.
    The rear tire (inflated to 36 psi) on mine measures 2.104 inches, with the opening in the frame measuring 2.81 inches. That is the underside of the chainstay, and the seatstay has the same exact clearance amount.

    The 17" frame with shock weighs on average 7.1lbs.
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    I'm betting you mean 7.1 lbs, not 17.1 lbs.
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    Man I want one of these to test. The price point if it pedals as well as claimed would mean I could probably sell/recommend these to loads of people and would make good tour/rental bikes for my little venture I'm trying to build. Looked around and there's nothing close to this in terms of $$ for spec. Curious though about why no Elixir7s like the Goblin, as when I do the math on the Goblin price, subtract the Goblin frame only price and add the HobGoblin price it only comes to $80 more My only concern with the frame is the PF30 BB, not so bothered on these new press fit BBs, seen quite a few give trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    My only concern with the frame is the PF30 BB, not so bothered on these new press fit BBs, seen quite a few give trouble.
    The PF30 is pretty bullet-proof and is nice because it works with regular GXP cranks. It offers a larger/wider area to weld to which is critical in a lot of dual-suspension designs like this one.

    I was leary of the standard when it first came out, but after spending a lot of time with it and also using it on my HG test bike over the last 7ish months I like it a lot. Easy to install, worry free, and creak-free. I like it better than BB30, but that's just my personal opinion.
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    Wow that orange is pretty sweet looking.... Hmmmmm....
    I may have to change my plans for next season... great job as always!

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    Looks like I waited too long to pull the trigger. I went to add a HG into my cart and it said out of stock. Now the wait for the XO and hoping I have the cash.

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    Is there any relation between this bike and the Fezzari Hidden Peak? I ran across a pic of the Fezzari from an old MBA magazine and they look to have the same rocker/shock placement and the front triangle looks similar as well. Just curious.

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    It looks like the reason for the out of stock message for the HG is that the bikes are stuck on a ship due to the dock strike. There is a FB post saying Airborne will not take anymore preorders until they know when they will be able to ship the bikes. I just edited my post to add the new message that bikes are going to be available. Here is the new FB message:

    Great news! We just found out that while the dockworkers strike is still on, we were able to get the vessel into a top-secret black-ops pier so that we can get the HobGoblins into the warehouse. They should be arriving in the warehouse the week of December 10th (next week). We will be shipping them out to customers sometime over the course of the week after that (10th thru the 17th).

    WE ARE RUNNING OUR PRE-ORDER SPECIAL !: Order your HobGoblin now thru December 9th and get free shipping, a $75 savings on bikes and a $25 savings on frames! We will be charging shipping on all orders placed after that date. Thanks!
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    Things change quickly sometimes, and this time it was for the good~!

    We just posted this up and updated our website as well......

    Great news! We just found out that while the dockworkers strike is still on, we were able to get the vessel into a top-secret black-ops pier so that we can get the HobGoblins into the warehouse. They should be arriving in the warehouse the week of December 10th (next week). We will be shipping them out to customers sometime over the course of the week after that (10th thru the 17th).

    WE ARE RUNNING OUR PRE-ORDER SPECIAL!: Order your HobGoblin now thru December 9th and get free shipping, a $75 savings on bikes and a $25 savings on frames! We will be charging shipping on all orders placed after that date. Thanks!
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    I just edited my earlier post with your new FB post but you beat me to it. Great news.

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    On a side note, I just got off the phone with Eric and I have to say, he was extremely helpful and I think might have spent another half hour on the phone with me if the extra time was needed. Very enthusiastic about the bike, as well.

    Jeremy, your name came up regarding fit. I am trying to decide between a 19" and 21". My legs are long and torso short. I ride a custom road bike with a 54 cm tt, 58 cm ctc/60 ctt st and 195 mm ht. My inseam is about 36" and I am 6'2". Eric thought a 19" with a 410 Thompson sp maybe the way to go. Any thoughts? I hope it's okay to post in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbakes View Post
    On a side note, I just got off the phone with Eric and I have to say, he was extremely helpful and I think might have spent another half hour on the phone with me if the extra time was needed. Very enthusiastic about the bike, as well.

    Jeremy, your name came up regarding fit. I am trying to decide between a 19" and 21". My legs are long and torso short. I ride a custom road bike with a 54 cm tt, 58 cm ctc/60 ctt st and 195 mm ht. My inseam is about 36" and I am 6'2". Eric thought a 19" with a 410 Thompson sp maybe the way to go. Any thoughts? I hope it's okay to post in this thread.
    Awesome! We both love the HG probably more than we thought we would since we are both old-school hardtail guys.

    Yeah I think the 21 might be too long for you based on your measurements and your road bike. I think the 19 with a longer 410mm post should be a perfect fit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post

    Here's a pic of my personal HobGoblin from my Thanksgiving morning ride yesterday. Pardon the crappy homemade chainstay guard and little bits of black tape protecting it from cable rub. My new chainstay guard and clear protector decals arrive today so it look prettier soon!
    Hey J, what's the build on that sucker? How do you like the wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre View Post
    Hey J, what's the build on that sucker? How do you like the wheels?
    Hey Todd,

    Here it is off the top of my head.......

    X7 2x10 shifters, crank (38/24), RD, chain, cassette
    X9 FD
    Elixir R brakes with 180 front and 160 rear rotors
    Reba RL SOLO AIR tapered for 15mm thru axle
    FSA SLK carbon bars and FSA SLK stem
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    Selle Italia Flite Gel saddle
    Cole 29er Lite wheelset
    SB8's

    I really like the Cole wheelset. It's not the lightest, but its super stiff due to the spoke/hub interface that allows the spokes to be at high tension. It's been a super reliable wheelset. I think that I like them as much as my CrossMax 29 wheelset, which says a lot about them.

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    Jeremy, thanks for the help. A 19" it is then.

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    Can you tell us what wheel set will be shipping on the XO Hobgoblin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swildnm View Post
    Can you tell us what wheel set will be shipping on the XO Hobgoblin?
    Certainly. They are the Black Flag Pro's.

    Black Flag Pro | SUNRinglé
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    Sweet! Can't wait for pricing and full specs.

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    Just pulled the trigger on a HG. Look forward to it's arrival.

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    Just received notice the bike shipped and is supposed to arrive on Friday. I'm gone for the weekend so hope to have pics up Monday or Tuesday.

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    i can't wait to see pics

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    You mentioned the shock is going to be single air when the dual airs are gone. By chance will this change include a through axle?

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    Curious what other bikes you've owned and ridden in the past? Definitely start a thread with pics and a full report on the build quality and how it rides. I'm very curious on these, especially for the price and what you get for your $$, but honestly the suspension design isn't familiar to me and not much info on it and how it rides.

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    Just received notice the bike shipped and is supposed to arrive on Friday. I'm gone for the weekend so hope to have pics up Monday or Tuesday.
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    I have not been on a mountain bike in more than 10 years and perhaps longer. I've been road riding for the last 8 months. I still have my steel Barracuda ht with XT and a Specialized branded, carbon tube Rock Shock (which is shot). This is my first full suspension bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Curious what other bikes you've owned and ridden in the past? Definitely start a thread with pics and a full report on the build quality and how it rides. I'm very curious on these, especially for the price and what you get for your $$, but honestly the suspension design isn't familiar to me and not much info on it and how it rides.
    The Fezzari Hidden Peak appears to use the same suspension design. You may have better luck finding ride/design impressions on it as it has been out a while.

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    Actually it's the exact same design, from the same factory, only Airborne "tweaked" the geo a bit. So yeah kow about the Fezzari, but there pricing as consumer direct is quite above Airborne's, not much info out there on them still though.

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    The Fezzari Hidden Peak appears to use the same suspension design. You may have better luck finding ride/design impressions on it as it has been out a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScabFace View Post
    You mentioned the shock is going to be single air when the dual airs are gone. By chance will this change include a through axle?
    The thru-axle adds cost and will not be on this level HobGoblin.

    The XO version coming out soon (promise!) will have a Maxle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Actually it's the exact same design, from the same factory, only Airborne "tweaked" the geo a bit. So yeah kow about the Fezzari, but there pricing as consumer direct is quite above Airborne's, not much info out there on them still though.
    There have been a few other meaningful tweaks done that differentiate it, including the seat-tube design and rocker arm connection on it, as well as a beefier lower rocker arm.

    The ride is somewhat similar in feel to the Maestro design.
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    Jeremy,

    Is it possible to convert the hub on the front wheel to accept a Maxle? As in, are there adapters for it or would the wheel need to be changed entirely if the fork was swapped out to a Maxle version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikr94 View Post
    Jeremy,

    Is it possible to convert the hub on the front wheel to accept a Maxle? As in, are there adapters for it or would the wheel need to be changed entirely if the fork was swapped out to a Maxle version?
    There's no way to convert the hub to 15mm thru-axle.

    Most hubs are either 9mm QR or 15mm Maxle, but not capable of both. There are some hubs on complete wheelsets that are like this, for example the CrossMax and Black Flags are convertible.
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    Hey guys...first post here from the frozen (and snowed-in) North....

    Mtnbikr94 was asking about a conversion. I was doing the same about my (awesome) new Goblin at my LBS. They said that you can gain "much of the advantage" by converting to a decent quality old fashioned bolt in axle. They said that the inconvenience is counterbalanced by the better steering acuity.

    Is this true? If so....how true?

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    BD, can you expand any further on that comment? I've owned and ridden Maestro, CVA and now KS Link, all mini link designs and I like how they ride and especially climb, very efficient. I'd love to be able to throw a leg over one of these so I could confidently recommend to local riders as we have quite a few guys getting into MTB who aren't too young and wishing for a FS, and this would I thin just suit them both in ride and $$.

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    There have been a few other meaningful tweaks done that differentiate it, including the seat-tube design and rocker arm connection on it, as well as a beefier lower rocker arm.

    The ride is somewhat similar in feel to the Maestro design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    BD, can you expand any further on that comment? I've owned and ridden Maestro, CVA and now KS Link, all mini link designs and I like how they ride and especially climb, very efficient. I'd love to be able to throw a leg over one of these so I could confidently recommend to local riders as we have quite a few guys getting into MTB who aren't too young and wishing for a FS, and this would I thin just suit them both in ride and $$.
    Sure, the design is somewhat similar to the Maestro (with the exception of the lower link and how it actuates). In terms of ride quality the two feel very close. Out of all of the suspensions I've ridden over the years it feels the closest to that, followed closely by an older DW Link bike I used to have. It climbs great, even out of the saddle. Braking seems to have little to no affect on it.

    It may be a placebo effect, but I feel that it corners better than my hardtail..........it just seems to grab and go. I've been a die-hard hardtail rider (for XC riding) for many years, and this bike is the one that seems to have changed my perception.

    Can you tell I'm excited about it? I'm trying hard to not sound like a fan-boy or a marketing guy but I've been having a lot of fun this year riding and working on it.........

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    Dammit, you're making me want one.

    I'll just keep saying my mantra *I already have a great bike, I already have a great bike.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyFlyer View Post
    Certainly. They are the Black Flag Pro's.

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    Will the 20mm, and 9mm adapters be included like they are with the retail wheel sets, or will it include only the 15mm adapters for the included fork?

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    Sorry, double post, website weirdness....

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    So, has anyone received their HobGoblin yet and had a chance to get out and ride? I haven't had a chance to ride a Maestro suspended bike yet but have seriously considered a Giant Anthem as my next bike. To hear that the Airborne is similar makes me want to hear thoughts from those that have experienced both. C'mon, post up. There has to be someone out there...

    Keith

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    Mine arrived but my mechanic is setting up for me since I am out of town for the weekend. I should have it on Monday. Will try to get out at the end of the day if its still light.

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