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    Going on 1x

    So I have a 2017 Marlin 5, and it's a 3x7. I would like to make it a 1x10, but I'm unsure about my wheels (at-650) being able to take that fit. I know it will cost and people will say keep the money and get a better bike, but I like this bike, and the guy I bought it from managed to get it down to 24lbs by changing a lot of the components and fork. I'd like to eventually get an air fork in it, too. I won't be selling this bike, and will be keeping it for a long time, but will eventually add other bikes to my collection. Thanks in advance.

    Edit - thanks for the information and help. I said I'd keep and like my bike after upgrading, but after being shown a really nice Scott bike, I've decided to save and have a better hardtail with a lot better components. Maybe not the Scott, but something that has the in house cabling, air forks, and a x11 gear system. Now I don't like my bike so much, but will ride the hell out of it until I buy better.
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    You'll need a 10sp shifter, compatible rear derailleur, a narrow wide ring (double check that your crank is compatible), 10sp chain and 10 speed cassette.

    Here is a Deore kit for $165.99. You still need to get a narrow wide ring.

    New 2018 Shimano Deore M6000 MTB Drivetrain Upgrade Groupset Group 11-42t | eBay

    It'll be up to your if it's "worth it".

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    I would skip over the 10 speed and go with 11 speed. Here is one for $179.99 with the 11-42 cassette or 185.99 with 11-46 cassette. New 2018 Shimano SLX M7000 11-speed Drivetrain Group Groupset 11-40/42t/46t | eBay
    You will still need to as mentioned above see if you can put a Narrow wide Chainring on you crank or else get a new crank.
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    And double check that your rear wheel will accept an 11 speed (or 10 speed for that matter) cassette. While it's not a direct comparison, the last bike I bought with an 8 speed cassette would not support a 10 speed cassette. Upon discovering I was going to need a new wheel to go 10 speed, I went ahead and got one that did SRAM 11 speed and went where I wanted with it rather than just where I thought I could go with it. If you're uncertain about the fit, a local shop should be able to tell you just looking at it what your upgrade choices are, or might even have an old cassette laying around they can check it with.

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    Cotharyus has some great advice with that. While rare, there is also the possibility your bike’s rear frame is too narrow to accept a 9-11 speed hub. Make sure you measure before you buy.


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    Aren't 7-speed hubs too narrow to run a 10 speed? Unless your rear wheel is using a spacer you can take out, you may not be able to go any higher than a 7 speed in the back.

    Man. Back when I bought a Fisher Marlin (2007) the bike came with a 3x9 Deore drivetrain. I'm surprised anyone still specs 3x7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ckeyeus View Post
    Aren't 7-speed hubs too narrow to run a 10 speed? Unless your rear wheel is using a spacer you can take out, you may not be able to go any higher than a 7 speed in the back.

    Man. Back when I bought a Fisher Marlin (2007) the bike came with a 3x9 Deore drivetrain. I'm surprised anyone still specs 3x7.
    Yes, the freehub is too narrow. If he could find a compatible freehub and his frame/axle is wide enough to accept it, then he’s in buisness.

    I don’t see what subsection threads are in when on Tapatalk “unread” section, so I was suprised as well to see a 7 speed 29er.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thepusher View Post
    Yes, the freehub is too narrow. If he could find a compatible freehub and his frame/axle is wide enough to accept it, then he’s in buisness.
    Once you start talking about buying a new rear wheel, shifter, derailleur, crankset (assuming the bike still runs stock riveted crank), chain, and cassette AND later upgrading the fork, you are talking about spending more than the bike is worth. There's nothing wrong with liking the bike, but it's probably not worth going through all of the trouble for a 1x10 drivetrain.

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    Thanks. I've been looking at these sets, but unsure if my back wheel will be compatible with the fitting. Gonna head to my lbs shortly and have them help too. Thanks for all the component advice
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    I guess the 11 would be better for my area as there is a lot of uphill at parts?
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    Thanks for the advice. That's another thing I've been wondering too. I heard I'd probably have to get a new wheel, so probably a set so the bike doesn't look off. I'll have a check soon at my local shop.
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    I was thinking the same too after reading up about it. I will have it checked today. Thanks, man!
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    I think the axle will be wide enough, but I'm unsure about the wheel, so I have it looked at today. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    So I have a 2017 Marlin 5, and it's a 3x7. I would like to make it a 1x10, but I'm unsure about my wheels (at-650) being able to take that fit. I know it will cost and people will say keep the money and get a better bike, but I like this bike, and the guy I bought it from managed to get it down to 24lbs by changing a lot of the components and fork. I'd like to eventually get an air fork in it, too. I won't be selling this bike, and will be keeping it for a long time, but will eventually add other bikes to my collection. Thanks in advance.
    How did he get the weight down to 24#s without changing the fork to an air fork, especially with keeping the 3x7 drivetrain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    I guess the 11 would be better for my area as there is a lot of uphill at parts?
    Even an 11-42 cassette in the back is not really going to improve the range of your gearing. I charted it out for you: Bike Gears calculator. The min ratio on your current setup is 0.83. On a 30 x 11-42, it'd be 0.79. Of course, you could go smaller with a 28t, but you'd still be spending a bunch of money. If you need a lower ratio for climbing, you might be better off getting an inexpensive square taper crank outfitted with smaller rings, throw it on, and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckleberry hound View Post
    How did he get the weight down to 24#s without changing the fork to an air fork, especially with keeping the 3x7 drivetrain?
    Good question. My large 2008 Fisher Marlin with 26" wheels (not stock), a RS Recon 351 (air fork), and SLX/XT drivetrain is still around 28 pounds.

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    The guy at the lbs said I could only fit a shimano x11 straight onto my wheel, but a 1x10 can be sram, shimano etc. Then I said about getting an air fork, so he showed me a $1,000 Scott, with cable housing, x11, air forks which he said would be better than adding to my bike... And although I really like my bike, that Scott was quite a beauty. Which has me rethinking the whole build up of my bike.
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    The other thing is that I'd have to replace the crank too as it doesn't come apart. It's all one, which is quite weird for such a new bike. I seen a set, but comes in about $400, and if I add that to the money I'd get for my bike, I could buy a $1,000 Scott that I was looking at with it already installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    And although I really like my bike, that Scott was quite a beauty. Which has me rethinking the whole build up of my bike.
    Yeah, the build isn't a good idea, in my opinion.

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    He stripped it all and replaced pretty much all the components, including the fork and wheels. He had a few bikes and a lot of parts.
    Apart from when it hurts, I mostly enjoy single track.

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    Aye, I'm now thinking about just saving for the Scott. He showed me a Specialised with plus tires for around the same price, but it was a coil fork. Wasn't as nice either.
    Apart from when it hurts, I mostly enjoy single track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    He stripped it all and replaced pretty much all the components, including the fork and wheels. He had a few bikes and a lot of parts.
    Something is still not adding up or should I say subtracting here. The stock bike weighs 32.5# and now it weighs 24# with the stock stamped steel crankset and a coil fork. No way. Can I borrow the scale that was used to weigh the bike? I've been trying to drop 20# but it is taking longer than I'd like and I have a feeling that with that scale I would have already meet my goal and then some.

    As you have now assessed you will be better of getting a different bike rather than upgrading this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    I guess the 11 would be better for my area as there is a lot of uphill at parts?
    A shimano 11spd cassette will fit on the same freehub body as a 10spd cassete. So if your wheels are compatible with 10spd, then they'll also be compatible with 11spd Shimano cassettes. The Scott option probably wouldn't be a bad thing either, especially if you would need to replace your wheels. It probably already has an air fork too. I'll vote Scott if you're keeping score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    He stripped it all and replaced pretty much all the components, including the fork and wheels. He had a few bikes and a lot of parts.
    It may be worth trying to figure out what all these components are and posting them here. If he stripped the bike, and built it up using components that are good enough to get it to 24 pounds, then you've got a pretty darn good bike.

    However, the fact that it's still 3x7 means that the drivetrain is likely factory. A factory low end 3x7 drivetrain and coil fork likely means that he's BS'ing you and it's not anywhere near 24 pounds.

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    It doesn't weigh that now. I bought it from a guy that stripped it down to pretty much just the frame, but when he sold it to me, he made it all stock again. But he said he had it at 24 before he put all the stock components back on for selling.
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    Sorry, he had it at 24 before putting the stock components back on when he sold me the bike. He did have a whole different drive train on it as he told me. I guess the amount I'd have to pay would leave me better with a new bike.
    Apart from when it hurts, I mostly enjoy single track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshallMTB View Post
    Sorry, he had it at 24 before putting the stock components back on when he sold me the bike. He did have a whole different drive train on it as he told me. I guess the amount I'd have to pay would leave me better with a new bike.
    In that case, with most likely needing new wheels, new crank, just to get new drivetrain, yeah, I'd ride the shit out of it while I saved up for the Scott.
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