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    I sent Nextie as BTLos an email to advice me so letís see who helps me better.


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    I got a set of BTLOS m-i25a rims built with DT 350 hubs. Quality seems great so far and I have no complaints. This is my first set of carbon wheels so not much to compare with. I did about an hour demo on some SC reserves on a demo bike and no big differences stood out.

    A few points:
    - Communication with them was great.
    - These wheels are actually 26.5mm internal, NOT 25mm as advertised. They did point this out to me when ordering.
    - The website lets you configure things that aren't available. ie. I picked centerlock J bend DT hubs but they only had centerlock in straight pull. Not a huge deal and they'll point out anything that isn't available.
    - Wheels took a bit longer than anticipated but no big deal.

    All in all, I'm very satisfied and would use them again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yagr68 View Post
    - These wheels are actually 26.5mm internal, NOT 25mm as advertised. They did point this out to me when ordering.
    This is true but only for the XC version of these rims and is described on the web page for the rim. All versions of this rim have a 32mm outer width, but while the AM version has an IW of 25mm and 3.5mm thick bead walls, the XC version has a 26.5mm IW and correspondingly thinner walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayold View Post
    This is true but only for the XC version of these rims and is described on the web page for the rim. All versions of this rim have a 32mm outer width, but while the AM version has an IW of 25mm and 3.5mm thick bead walls, the XC version has a 26.5mm IW and correspondingly thinner walls.
    Yes, they can also build you the i25 AM spec wheel with their XC weight of 390g. I was looking to do this, but I want a lighter i25 wheel.

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    Anyone try out the new LB Recon Pro series rims? I previously had the older style AM928 and just ordered a couple of the newer AM930ís to build another wheelset.

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    yooooo!, btlos is having a 15% off sale from 11-9 till 11-11, they are also adding the 54t dtswiss upgrade for the first 50 customers. I own a pair and I love them, this is a great time to buy some.
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    $775 shipped for 27.5 34mm width, dt upgrade. Iím so tempted....

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    Why is BTLos so heavy?:/ 1600 for a 30mm id rim with sapim cx ray AMD DT 240...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperGr View Post
    Why is BTLos so heavy?:/ 1600 for a 30mm id rim with sapim cx ray AMD DT 240...


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    I agree. That's what held me back from buying from them. EIE/Carbonfan and Light Bicycle seem to be 30-50g per rim lighter for comparable profiles and materials.

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    Hi, just about buying a couple of wheelsets from SpeedSafe ... what opinion do you have about this builder? Any known issue?

    I made a final search before click the buy button and I found this thread in this same forum LINK ... so I thought that this thread wouldn't be a bad place to ask.

    Any alternative seller to SpeedSafe?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmanuelsg View Post
    Any alternative seller to SpeedSafe?Thanks!
    I am far from an expert on this topic, but I did a lot of reading in this thread before I ordered a set of wheels from BTLOS. There seem to be a fair number of reputable sellers: Light Bike and Nextie seem to be the most established, but I have also seen decent reports on BTLOS, EIE, Carbonfan and Oxive.

    There are a few things that stick out in that link you shared - the weight of the wheelset was incredibly light. I don't know the specifics of the rider or how the rims were used, but I personally value durability over light weight. The other thing that seemed weird is that they are using 64% T800. Again, not an expert, but I have read that while T800 is lighter than T700, it is also more brittle. I know BTLOS only advertises 25% T800 in their premium rims. Read into this what you will.

    This is my first experience ordering directly from China. I chose BTLOS because they were cheaper than Light Bike and Nextie, but appear to be a company that manufacturers the rims that they sell. Their communication has been excellent through the sales/build process, although in all honesty I wouldn't expect anything different. I can't say anything yet about their support if anything goes wrong - I am hoping I will never find out

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    I am far from an expert on this topic, but I did a lot of reading in this thread before I ordered a set of wheels from BTLOS. There seem to be a fair number of reputable sellers: Light Bike and Nextie seem to be the most established, but I have also seen decent reports on BTLOS, EIE, Carbonfan and Oxive.
    It's all the same factory and manufacturing procedures. Different quality control in each case.

    The other thing that seemed weird is that they are using 64% T800. Again, not an expert, but I have read that while T800 is lighter than T700, it is also more brittle. I know BTLOS only advertises 25% T800 in their premium rims. Read into this what you will.
    It really matters what resin you use, not so much the fiber. T800 is marginally more brittle than T700, but when using a graphene epoxy it's actually stronger. Additionally, good rim layups consist of a single carbon sheet in each layer angled about 20-40 degrees so that the fibers support lateral spoke tension and aren't as affected by vertical impacts. This makes fiber brittleness even less important.

    This is my first experience ordering directly from China. I chose BTLOS because they were cheaper than Light Bike and Nextie, but appear to be a company that manufacturers the rims that they sell.
    They don't manufacture, they are agents like everyone else that do a great job of pretending they are the factory. They have a corner of the factory at the end of the production line and an office nearby. They do their own quality control and wheelbuilding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    It's all the same factory and manufacturing procedures. Different quality control in each case.
    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    They don't manufacture, they are agents like everyone else that do a great job of pretending they are the factory. They have a corner of the factory at the end of the production line and an office nearby. They do their own quality control and wheelbuilding.
    I certainly appreciate that you seem to know much more about this than I do, but do you have any evidence? I was looking for this sort of information but could not find it.

    Again, not proof but this is the information on BTLOS's website:

    Xiamen Btlos Bicycle Co., Ltd. is a professional manufacturer focused on the design, development, and production of carbon fiber bicycle road rims, carbon mountain bike rims, carbon fat bike rims and carbon wheelsets.
    After many years as an OEM manufacturer/supplier, in 2017, BTLOS launched our consumer website making our years of quality and manufacturing expertise available direct to the consumer at the retail level for the very first time.

    Our well-equipped facilities and excellent quality control throughout all stages of production enable us to guarantee total customer satisfaction.

    And this:
    ABOUT OUR FACTORY

    CAN I VISIT YOUR FACTORY?

    Yes. Welcome to visit our factory.

    WHY CHOOSE US?

    We have 6 years of experience in designing and producing high-end carbon bicycle rims.

    1. We are the direct manufacturer.
    2. All the carbon fiber raw materials come from Japan. We only use pure carbon fiber material.
    3. We have professional technical personnel and designer team.
    4. We have strict test standard and quality control system.
    5. We have good after-sales service team.
    6. Passed EN and UCI quality test.
    7. Quality warranty period: 18-mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    I certainly appreciate that you seem to know much more about this than I do, but do you have any evidence? I was looking for this sort of information but could not find it.

    Again, not evidence but this is the information on BTLOS's website:

    Xiamen Btlos Bicycle Co., Ltd. is a professional manufacturer focused on the design, development, and production of carbon fiber bicycle road rims, carbon mountain bike rims, carbon fat bike rims and carbon wheelsets.
    After many years as an OEM manufacturer/supplier, in 2017, BTLOS launched our consumer website making our years of quality and manufacturing expertise available direct to the consumer at the retail level for the very first time.

    Our well-equipped facilities and excellent quality control throughout all stages of production enable us to guarantee total customer satisfaction.
    My source is direct communication with several brands. I have been unable to find a way to contact the actual factory directly. They all skirt the question about whether they actually control the production process.

    You'll also notice the molds are similar (or identical), indicating the same designer was involved or even the same molds were used. Not only that, pictures of the factory in Alibaba ads have the same floor color, rack or shelving style, etc. I really can't find a way to reach this factory directly.

    This is very much unlike Qtour and Yishun which will quickly tell you they are the only producer in their factory, and sell to agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    My source is direct communication with several brands. I have been unable to find a way to contact the actual factory directly. They all skirt the question about whether they actually control the production process.

    You'll also notice the molds are similar (or identical), indicating the same designer was involved or even the same molds were used. Not only that, pictures of the factory in Alibaba ads have the same floor color, rack or shelving style, etc. I really can't find a way to reach this factory directly.

    This is very much unlike Qtour and Yishun which will quickly tell you they are the only producer in their factory, and sell to agents.
    Good info and would absolutely make sense to me. I can't imagine that many carbon fiber factories existing.

    Curious why the price can vary so much, but then again it isn't surprising. Take pinarello vs giant.... One is a mass producer and the other is a very targeted high end market. Branding plays a big role in all of business.

    That said, curious to see the rims I ordered from Speedsafe are of similar quality to my Nexties. Specs are very close. The preorder price a couple weeks ago was nearly 50% less though. I have no clue when they'll ship. No word yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildh View Post
    Curious why the price can vary so much, but then again it isn't surprising.
    The actual cost of manufacturing a rim is probably between $50 and $75, though I don't have a firm figure on that because factories like to add in warranty funds and distribute mold costs. Then the agents have to pay tax, quality control (and pick up the expenses of rejects), shipping, packaging, labor, drilling, sanding, painting, reserve funds for warranty, handled customer service, pay building rent, pay factory rent, pay for their Aliexpress store ($1,500 start-up cost), pay for Aliexpress fees per transaction (8%) or Alibaba fees (per lead), buy insurance, and it all adds up. It's phenomenal what prices these people can do.

    It's crazy, wholesale prices are often higher than Aliexpress promotional prices. These newer and smaller agents are tearing themselves to pieces trying to gain a following, at the complete expense of any profits and their competitors. It's a chain reaction to bankruptcy. They are forgetting the power of good marketing and focusing only on the price tag.

    I spent some time comparing carbon rim agents that were around in 2011-2013 and that are still around. The failure rate for these companies was about 3 in 4, those that are still around are very popular. I'd bet on it that excellent customer service got them to this point, not the lowest prices.

    I would be really really curious to visit several of these places in person. Maybe next time I get a business conference in China or Hong Kong I'll sneak in a side trip.

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    Looking to purchase a lightweight wheelset for my new build, any advice?

    Thinking something along the lines of:
    25mm internal width (will be running 2.35 front/2.25 front usually)
    Sapim CX-Ray spokes
    28-hole
    DT Swiss 240s or 350s (not set on these)
    54t ratchet upgrade (have 36t now and wouldn't want any less)


    Is everybody choosing straight-pull if that's an option? No preference to sym/asym as I have no experience, but input appreciated.

    Shipping to Canada seems crazy from some retailers ($200 USD) and I am not in a rush.

    I weigh 65kg and this will be on a 110/120mm XC race bike. Riding in Whistler though, so dropper + Fox 34 as the trails are more on the 'enduro' side of things, but no real drops/jumps outside of the park here.

    I have been riding Light Bicycle 29C07's (30mm internal) rims on my other bike for two years (including the bike park) and have absolutely no issues with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec47 View Post
    Looking to purchase a lightweight wheelset for my new build, any advice?

    Thinking something along the lines of:
    25mm internal width (will be running 2.35 front/2.25 front usually)
    Sapim CX-Ray spokes
    28-hole
    DT Swiss 240s or 350s (not set on these)
    54t ratchet upgrade (have 36t now and wouldn't want any less)


    Is everybody choosing straight-pull if that's an option? No preference to sym/asym as I have no experience, but input appreciated.

    Shipping to Canada seems crazy from some retailers ($200 USD) and I am not in a rush.

    I weigh 65kg and this will be on a 110/120mm XC race bike. Riding in Whistler though, so dropper + Fox 34 as the trails are more on the 'enduro' side of things, but no real drops/jumps outside of the park here.

    I have been riding Light Bicycle 29C07's (30mm internal) rims on my other bike for two years (including the bike park) and have absolutely no issues with them.
    https://www.carbonfan.com/t800-tubel...idth-27mm-30mm Carbonfan skyweight have been great for me over the last year. Great communication, price, and fast shipping. 27mm ext, dt240, pillar spokes atless than 1300 grams for a great price. Might as well go asym as that's theoretically stronger, I used straight pull but don't think it makes any difference other than hub may be slightly lighter.

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    Thanks for the suggestion. Looks like $1,361 for the build I want, think I'd stick with Light Bicycle if I'm going to spend that much though.

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    btlos is having a 15% sale on everything it seems, good time to buy. I have been riding mine for 5 months on enduro trails, all good.

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    BTLOS works out to $992 (after $50 spin prize code) for the build I'd want, seem to weigh a bit more than other manufacturers, but not huge. I saw 15% for some rims, is there a code or something for wheelsets?

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    No code, I just went to the website and I saw the -15% on the wheelsets

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    https://btlos.com/mountain-bike/34mm...arbon-wheelset
    I run these rims in 27.5 premium DH laced to king hubs. I trust them completely!

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    You're right, looks like that was built-in already. Can save a bit more with that spin and win thing on the home page.

    i24a with 350s (54t and CX-Ray) works out to $834 shipped at 1396g. Probably the front runner for now, sounds like they have a good reputation (BTLOS).

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    Yep, they are a solid choice, I love them.

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    I spun it for fun and got a 50, do u want it

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    That's what I got (included in the $ total I posted) thanks for the offer!

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    Awesome!

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-1aa491c4-d0e1-4de4-8123-890b424b6d7d.jpg(Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-f3642555-3786-44b0-ac84-09543fcf628f.jpg(Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-afa49397-ff43-4ada-9e7b-58d7f2382259.jpgJust received carbonfan 25id assymetric wheelset.built with novatec centerlock hubs. Weight is 679 rear,540 front. Just freshened up my Ridley. Also added eagle 12 speed while I was at. Bike is now 23lbs 9 ounces with pedals. Excited to try it out Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec47 View Post
    You're right, looks like that was built-in already. Can save a bit more with that spin and win thing on the home page.

    i24a with 350s (54t and CX-Ray) works out to $834 shipped at 1396g. Probably the front runner for now, sounds like they have a good reputation (BTLOS).
    I love my BTLOS wheels - I think you will be happy. If you are looking for a lower price you might check out EIE. You have to request a quote, but they will turn it around quickly. Iíd personally stick with BTLOS though. Buy their premium wheels and get the 3.5 year warranty with crash replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by global View Post
    Just received carbonfan 25id assymetric wheelset.built with novatec centerlock hubs. Weight is 679 rear,540 front. Just freshened up my Ridley. Also added eagle 12 speed while I was at. Bike is now 23lbs 9 ounces with pedals. Excited to try it out Tuesday.
    I donít know anything about those Novatec hubs. Are they decent?

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    I live in Temecula and novatec has offices here. I have used there hubs on 8 wheelsets over 6 years and have had great luck. They are very popular in my area. I just bought LB wheels for my road bike with dt hubs but would have got novatec if they offered xdr for 12 speed road freehub. These hubs are lighter than 240 straight pull centerlock for a way lower cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by global View Post
    I live in Temecula and novatec has offices here. I have used there hubs on 8 wheelsets over 6 years and have had great luck. They are very popular in my area. I just bought LB wheels for my road bike with dt hubs but would have got novatec if they offered xdr for 12 speed road freehub. These hubs are lighter than 240 straight pull centerlock for a way lower cost.
    Glad they work for you. I have a set of 29er wheels with Novatec hubs that came stock on my Hightower. The general consensus on the forums seems to be that they are not very good hubs. Always hard to tell if that is just the noisy minority or not.... I just want to know when I am buying a new wheelset that the hubs are solid.

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    Very nice! Which series/model hub is that exactly? How much did that build come out to? Haven't considered Novatec, but open to them.

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    D411sb-cl,D412sb-cl,rims are t800 25 deep 30 wide 25 ID assymetric. (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-56bc23d9-f007-4fd9-9cc0-c9b425575a68.jpg(Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-f5a30a85-19d4-4834-99ec-3b148b9604d5.jpg(Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-e541518b-1ad6-4832-bd8d-e515c76352aa.jpgClick image for larger version. 

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    Whenever I build wheels, I choose to buy high quality hubs. Only hubs I would buy are kings, i9, dt, hope, p321, onyx, and my budget choice would be halo. High engagement hubs are a must and if your lacing carbon rims why spend so little on the hubs. Just my opinion, no hate.

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    Did not choose these as my budget choice. Chose them because I think I will like them. Rarely post because some people will go negative. I think Iím done here.

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    I wasn't meaning to be negative towards you, I was talking to users like spec47 that were wondering what hubs they might want. And in my opinion, I think it is worth the investment in the hubs.

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    The pawls in my D411SB-SL in the rear broke after 1300 miles of use and the hub wasn't spinning freely. I didn't look into why that was at the time, but regardless I would only get a D41SSB-SL for the front and maybe upgrade the bearings, but I don't think I'd do it again in the rear. They are really attractive for their weight and price, but as they say, pick two from weight, price, and quality...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    The pawls in my D411SB-SL in the rear broke after 1300 miles of use and the hub wasn't spinning freely. I didn't look into why that was at the time, but regardless I would only get a D41SSB-SL for the front and maybe upgrade the bearings, but I don't think I'd do it again in the rear. They are really attractive for their weight and price, but as they say, pick three from weight, price, and quality...
    Pick two?
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    Haha, edited

    There are notable exceptions where you get all three, however...

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    I just want to know if it is possible to make a website any more cryptic than Novatec's site for their hubs. I'm not sure who the intended audience is for it, but short of clicking through each hub they offer, good luck figuring out what their product offerings are.

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    I look for engagement, quality and support. I donít think novatec hubs have very good support. Quality is something I cannot report on because I never owned any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    My source is direct communication with several brands. I have been unable to find a way to contact the actual factory directly. They all skirt the question about whether they actually control the production process.

    You'll also notice the molds are similar (or identical), indicating the same designer was involved or even the same molds were used. Not only that, pictures of the factory in Alibaba ads have the same floor color, rack or shelving style, etc. I really can't find a way to reach this factory directly.

    This is very much unlike Qtour and Yishun which will quickly tell you they are the only producer in their factory, and sell to agents.
    I'm a wheel builder who also has a few contacts in Asia - one at the Factory that makes BTLOS. BTLOS is a spin off within a factory that had open molds (and I believe now some new original to them molds) - that is, the company is owned by a factory that does more work for big brands and figured through expired agreement and open molds, could offer good value to end consumers. I have actually considered, and fully priced out opening my own molds in their factory.


    If you are going to be in the area, just email them. I don't think you'll find you get any pushback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    I just want to know if it is possible to make a website any more cryptic than Novatec's site for their hubs. I'm not sure who the intended audience is for it, but short of clicking through each hub they offer, good luck figuring out what their product offerings are.
    Check out Factor Hubs - offshoot of Novatec, and the highest end of their product offering. Street prices are extremely good, they have 120 points of enagagment, I have seen zero reports of failure, nor had any myself, and I have put guys close to 250 lbs on them they have fantastic bearings and are well sealed...they aren't the lightest, but not super heavy either - and hub weight really doesn't matter nearly as much as tires, rims, nipples, and spokes anyway being at the centre of the wheel.
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    Can anyone confirm what ratchets BTLOS is using for the DT Swiss rear hub? I emailed them and they are saying the 36T and 54T they use is genuine DT Swiss.

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    Can anyone confirm what ratchets BTLOS is using for the DT Swiss rear hub? I emailed them and they are saying the 36T and 54T they use is genuine DT Swiss.
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    They use genuine parts.
    Yes - best I can tell they are authentic. The ratchets in my BTLOS DT Swiss 240 hubs look identical to those in two other DT Swiss hubs that I own.

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    Just got a great quote for i29mm rims from EIE. I'm currently on Enve M70s (non-HV) i25 as stated earlier. But you guys planted Inception in my head on the i29/30 rims. Haven't stopped thinking about it since. These are 650b rims.

    How compliant are EIE wheels for those that know? While I do enjoy the preciseness of the rims, combined with the carbon Bronson, it's quite stiff all around. And I'm looking to improve small bump which is difficult with the kinematics but just seeing where I can improve.

    Wider rims with more is one way. But also just wondering if the rims are a tiny bit more compliant than the Enves which are quite stiff.

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    Chinese carbon rims are not bone racking stiff. Enves are the stiffest. My CarbonFan 30mm rims with Sapim Laser spokes are not overly stiff at all. But they never go out of true. They were true when I laced them. The easiest wheel to build I can imagine.

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    get some cush core and run lower pressures and dont risk breaking ur rims, I have em on my 34 btlos and its so compliment and dialed

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    im on EIE i38 rims with dt350 hubs and cx-ray spokes. they are not overly stiff feeling to me. im almost 100% positive the enve wheels will be stiffer.

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    I pulled the trigger on some EIE I34 Rims for my 2018 RM Instinct. They are giving me a great deal on Sapim CX Ray Spokes. A friend on mine and I are building the identical wheels. We are going to use Bitex hubs.

    I also priced BTLOS and LB. The communication with EIE was so much better than with BTLOS. They must never sleep. Every question I had was answered within a few minutes. They gave me a discount for buying two sets. They communicated the lead time, and what I needed to do with shipping to get my rims by a certain date. They are even going to hand pick the rims to meet the specific weight request I have for the AM rim in the front and the DH rim for the back. (I wanted DH, but the lighter side).

    BTLOS took a day to respond to my email quote. (Understandable that they only respond during their business hours.) The quote was great but they didn't answer my lead time and shipping time question at all. I am sure I would have had a great experience with them as many have had in the forum, but the EIE communication was confidence inspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venturewest View Post
    I pulled the trigger on some EIE I34 Rims for my 2018 RM Instinct. They are giving me a great deal on Sapim CX Ray Spokes. A friend on mine and I are building the identical wheels. We are going to use Bitex hubs.

    I also priced BTLOS and LB. The communication with EIE was so much better than with BTLOS. They must never sleep. Every question I had was answered within a few minutes. They gave me a discount for buying two sets. They communicated the lead time, and what I needed to do with shipping to get my rims by a certain date. They are even going to hand pick the rims to meet the specific weight request I have for the AM rim in the front and the DH rim for the back. (I wanted DH, but the lighter side).

    BTLOS took a day to respond to my email quote. (Understandable that they only respond during their business hours.) The quote was great but they didn't answer my lead time and shipping time question at all. I am sure I would have had a great experience with them as many have had in the forum, but the EIE communication was confidence inspiring.

    I too went the EIE (i39 29er) route about 6 months ago and have been very pleased. Their communication was just right. I don't think it was as responsive as what you got, and I hinted around about getting the 'lighter version' of my rim choice, but it was stated that wasn't possible (which was OK with me). In the end, I had a completely reliable and professional experience and a very good price. My 29er+ set with DT350 hubs came in shockingly light at 1620 grams....I had the rear wheel in the truing stand for the first time last week and it was COMPLETELY in spec (after a handful of rocky races).

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    I've had a pair of carbonfan rims for a year now. 29" asymmetrical, boost, 29mm ID. I ended up cracking the rear rim. In the rims defense I was hauling ass, and running 20psi. I'm 145ish pounds though and had never had problems running that pressure. It cracked at a seam at the valve core.

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    Ouch. I run my BTLOS 26.5" ID wheels at 20psi rear / 19 front and I weigh 185. No problems (or rim strikes) in the first 4 months, but I hope I'm not riding on borrowed time.

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    CJB, That is great to hear. That is really light with those hubs! Which spokes did you go with? The sales manager has been amazingly communicative. Some of their rims are built right there and some others are cooperatively sourced, it sounds like. She guaranteed the ERD was exact, because I was concerned about ordering the CX Rays. I am excited to give them a try.

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    I have some Nextie 29" 36mm carbon rims I built up with DT Swiss 350 hubs and supercomp spokes. I got the rims on eBay for a steal and decided to test the waters of carbon wheels. I've ridden them since last August with zero problems. True, light, bombproof, cheap. I ride them on pretty rough terrain up on Mt Wilson/LA area. A few weeks ago I was doing a Darkside shuttle (Sturtevant trail) and got a short but girthy stick timed just right which lodged in my front wheel and took out 5 spokes in about 2 seconds and already 2 miles downhill and many more from the finish. Surprisingly, I twisted the dangling spokes onto others checked the rim and wheel and was able to finish the ride no problem, albeit carefully. If the rims weren't carbon they likely would have collapsed from my weight, possibly injuring myself and likely wouldn't have been able to ride the remaining 6 miles. I just ordered new spokes and relaced the wheel with no problems; spoke holes were spotless. So this is a confirmation that cheap Chinese can hold up and perform better than expected and I think shows a benefit of carbon over alloy (in this situation).


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    Considering giving BTLos a go, got free shipping on the wheel which would equate to $106 in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energ8t View Post
    I have some Nextie 29" 36mm carbon rims I built up with DT Swiss 350 hubs and supercomp spokes. I got the rims on eBay for a steal and decided to test the waters of carbon wheels. I've ridden them since last August with zero problems. True, light, bombproof, cheap. I ride them on pretty rough terrain up on Mt Wilson/LA area. A few weeks ago I was doing a Darkside shuttle (Sturtevant trail) and got a short but girthy stick timed just right which lodged in my front wheel and took out 5 spokes in about 2 seconds and already 2 miles downhill and many more from the finish. Surprisingly, I twisted the dangling spokes onto others checked the rim and wheel and was able to finish the ride no problem, albeit carefully. If the rims weren't carbon they likely would have collapsed from my weight, possibly injuring myself and likely wouldn't have been able to ride the remaining 6 miles. I just ordered new spokes and relaced the wheel with no problems; spoke holes were spotless. So this is a confirmation that cheap Chinese can hold up and perform better than expected and I think shows a benefit of carbon over alloy (in this situation).


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    I spent 15 minutes on the chat function w EIE this evening and have an invoice in my inbox for their AM 30mm width 28 h 29ers w dt240 straight pull hubs and dt comp spokes. Did the star ratchet upgrade. $935 to my door. Think i am pulling the trigger, need to replace some other wheels where i stripped the ratchet ring and destroyed the rear hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backinmysaddle View Post
    I spent 15 minutes on the chat function w EIE this evening and have an invoice in my inbox for their AM 30mm width 28 h 29ers w dt240 straight pull hubs and dt comp spokes. Did the star ratchet upgrade. $935 to my door. Think i am pulling the trigger, need to replace some other wheels where i stripped the ratchet ring and destroyed the rear hub.
    I am so impressed with the communication from EIE. Sounds like it will be a nice wheel set. I ordered the 30.5mm inner asymetric AM wheels but went with sapim cx-ray spokes. I am hoping they will ship out soon.

    Good luck with your wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunvalleylaw View Post
    Picked up the bike and wheels today. Immediate test ride. Forgot to take a pic of just the wheels before they got dirty. Loved 'em!





    Hey, was popping back in as I am window shopping for another set of rims for a gravel/allroad bike I am considering saving for. Anyone use a Carbonfan rim on their gravel or cross bike?? I am interested in a similar quality rim to what I have on my process, for this bike when I get it. Eyeing a Kona Libre, though they are sold out, and I will need to save up and order for next year.

    As to my rims, I have done nothing to them, and when checked during tunes or suspension work, hardly any (if any at all) trueing has been necessary. And the rims still are in great shape and working very well. Mine were the blowout 35/30 Carbonfan ones that were not THE very lightest, but still light. I have ridden this bike a lot since I installed these rims in April of 2016 and they have delivered.

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    EIE sent out a note on Monday that the wheels have shipped. Cant wait, my 29er rear wheel has a stripped ratchet ring and i just put a huge wobble in my 27.5 rear wheel on some huge cobbles in Palm Springs over the weekend. Probably can get it back close enough to ride for a couple weeks but definitely need to replace these aging sun/ringle wheel sets i bought 3 years ago as temporary wheels. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Considering giving BTLos a go, got free shipping on the wheel which would equate to $106 in my case.
    Now is a awesome time for BTLOS, I have been riding mine for 6 months now with 0 issues, just relaced the rear to a new hub as well! The tubeless is amazing, I am able to seat my maxxis DHF and DHRII with a floor pump.

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    My EIE wheels arrived today, man a week from shipping ex-china to my porch in Seattle! They are soooo sweet and light! Love the 54t upgrade on the dt240 hub. Only hiccup is I forgot they are centerlock and i only have 6bolt rotors around so had to 1 day amazon some new rotors. I really think i will like this 30.5mm ID, coming from 35mm ID which was a hair to much for my 2.5Ē width tires.

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    I have been riding on my EIE 29" 30.5 mm Inner for about 50 miles now. With the Bitex hubs, CX Ray spokes, and brass nipples, they came to 1623 grams for the set!

    I really like the Bitex hubs. The engagement is such an improvement from the stock DT Swiss 370 hub. The finish is nice and they seem to roll well. The one year old bearings in my DT hubs were also very slow and rough feeling when turning by hand.

    My friend built the wheels and he must have done a great job with tensioning because I haven't heard or felt one pop or ping from the spokes.

    The profile of the Minion DHF 2.5 WT looks just right. I am going to ride the Gunnison Half Growler this weekend so I am going to throw a Rekon 2.6 up front. I bet that tire will look huge on that rim. I will post some pics when I have a chance.

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    Sent an order to EIE. I've been wanting some wide UST rims and just couldn't find much for my 27.5 X 3.0 tires. That is until now. They make a 45mm (outer) 38mm (inner). They were only $700. That rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Warp View Post
    Sent an order to EIE. I've been wanting some wide UST rims and just couldn't find much for my 27.5 X 3.0 tires. That is until now. They make a 45mm (outer) 38mm (inner). They were only $700. That rocks.
    I donít think they make any UST rims...


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    By UST I mean no spoke holes. All you have to do is specify it when ordering. No rim tape. Yay for me!
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    Wow, I love these EIEs! Roughly 500 grams weight savings over old wheels, which I really noticed climbing yesterday. And the higher engagement of. The 240s hub w54t upgrade was amazing as well. One thing tho, ordered center lock style hubs and the lock rings didnít come w the hubs, i had to buy them. Is that normal? EIE said it was, but I thought those rings come w the hub??

    Also was my first time on carbon wheels and wow, there is no lateral flexibility in these. Takes a bit of getting used to how the bike tracks very differently down technical chunk and even a bit different into heavy G type berms. Iím 220+ so really noticed that.

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    Is anyone having any luck contacting Peter at XM Carbon Speed? Over the years I've bought several frames from him, as well as multiple rims, and at least 4 sets of complete wheels. Service has always been excellent and I've always received replies from Peter within a day. My last warranty issue with him about 2 years ago over a cracked rim was handled quickly. So just recently I cracked another rim on a wheelset I bought less than a year ago. It's been almost a week now since I sent an email to Peter and Bella about it. No response, which is unusual considering how responsive he normally is. It has me worried since I have so much of Peters product that I may not get support for anymore.

    Has anyone been in contact with them recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freerider View Post
    Is anyone having any luck contacting Peter at XM Carbon Speed? Over the years I've bought several frames from him, as well as multiple rims, and at least 4 sets of complete wheels. Service has always been excellent and I've always received replies from Peter within a day. My last warranty issue with him about 2 years ago over a cracked rim was handled quickly. So just recently I cracked another rim on a wheelset I bought less than a year ago. It's been almost a week now since I sent an email to Peter and Bella about it. No response, which is unusual considering how responsive he normally is. It has me worried since I have so much of Peters product that I may not get support for anymore.

    Has anyone been in contact with them recently?
    How are you cracking rims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    How are you cracking rims?
    This one was in Moab. I've had many carbon rims over the years and this is my second issue. Had far more issues running aluminum rims. Peter makes a good product that I have complete confidence in, and up until now had excellent service. Hoping he's just away on vacation or something...

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    Well, that mirrors my experience mostly, I have cracked one out of 11 carbon rims and that was because I wasn't running enough pressure. Otherwise, the stress they've held up to (and remained true!) is mind-blowing to me, compared to what I used to go through with aluminum. Nextie, LB, they all make a good product. I have an XM Carbonspeed fatbike frame and it's been great, heck, just raced yesterday to 11th in a gravel grinder (lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, that mirrors my experience mostly, I have cracked one out of 11 carbon rims and that was because I wasn't running enough pressure. Otherwise, the stress they've held up to (and remained true!) is mind-blowing to me, compared to what I used to go through with aluminum. Nextie, LB, they all make a good product. I have an XM Carbonspeed fatbike frame and it's been great, heck, just raced yesterday to 11th in a gravel grinder (lol).
    Yep, I'm pretty sold on carbon rims. I've cracked 2 out of many now, and aluminum rims would've suffered the same fate in those instances. I've also had a couple fat bike frames from Peter, all have been excellent. No issues with Peter or his products. Just wanted to get a reply, which I got from him last night...

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    Hello, Does someone know about a 29er carbon rim with 595 ERD? I have two cracked Yishunbike ASD933XC-GP rims. I am looking for another option now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultreia View Post
    Hello, Does someone know about a 29er carbon rim with 595 ERD? I have two cracked Yishunbike ASD933XC-GP rims. I am looking for another option now.
    The 28.61mm asymmetric 22mm deep 23mm internal width 28.61mm outer width XC 350g rims ($150 ea.) from TanTan are 595.6mm. I can help if you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    The 28.61mm asymmetric 22mm deep 23mm internal width 28.61mm outer width XC 350g rims ($150 ea.) from TanTan are 595.6mm. I can help if you need.
    The problem is that the inner size is too narrow...

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    Well I now have on order a pair of Carbon Fan, rims only. They were the only brand that could provide a matching set that hit all the points that mattered to me. 28H Front, 32H Rear. 31mm ID F, 29MM ID R, AM layup F, DH layup R.
    It'll be combined with some braided spokes and Project 321 hubs.

    On Edit: Assymetric as well.

    I already have a nice set of Nobl wheels with 321 hubs so this project is really about the braided spokes. I'm a WW that smashes parts on occasion. Looks like this project will save me in the neighborhood of 430 grams (.94#s!!) rotating weight. Hopefully I'll like the feel.

    It's going to take about 6 weeks before this set up is rolling and frankly that'll be August in Texas and not really riding season.
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    Wow, Suns, those are some specific specifications! Can you post pics when you're done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Wow, Suns, those are some specific specifications! Can you post pics when you're done?
    Ya, sometimes I go a little over the top. Essentially I was trying to emulate Crank Bros Synthesis wheels the best I could because I agree with their philosophy.

    I'll post up photos and weights when completed but it's going to be a good while.

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    Yeah, nice rim config Suns. Makes sense to me!

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    An interesting 29er rim for only 325 gr

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    I'll also add that the AM front Carbon Fan wheel has a claimed weight of 400g, and the DH rear Carbon Fan wheel has a claimed weight of 430g.

    The Nobl TR36 wheels I run now have a claimed weight of 440g.

    Both have a claimed 3mm rim lip (going to the DH layup on CF.com, doesn't change their lip thickness, but I don't know if this is correct). Since I've cracked a rear NOBL TR36 in the rear already, the DH layup on the CF rear wheel seems like a smart move. Are the CF rims just better designed, or do they have less material owing to their lighter weight? I don't know.

    But I do always run tire noodles (Pepi's) these days so I feel like I can get away with a bit more than I could when I broke the Nobl sometime back.

    The ultralight weight hubs and rims that some use, are just not an option for me. I'm looking for Enduro capable.

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    Received my BTLOS standard Eduro, 29, Asym rims. They came nicely packed and, at first look, seem free of defect. Assembled them with DT swiss spokes and Hadley hubs (my previous DT Swiss 370 were all dented after 3 months, so I went with titanium. Hope they will last). Wheels are true, but I couldn't yet equalize tension across all spokes as I usually do. Will take a few rides and try again.

    P.S.: I don't care about weight, so I haven't measured anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunvalleylaw View Post
    Anyone use a Carbonfan rim on their gravel or cross bike?? [/I][/B]
    Had one of their skyweight? assym (285gm or so) 22mmInner 27.5 rims built up a few months back. Recently purchased the same rims but in a 29. Both for the gravel bike. Zero issues on mine. 1200gm and 1230gm.
    Now I'm looking at another 29 set with the same. Just. One. More.

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    An interesting 29er rim for only 325 gr
    I actually just bought these rims laced to DT Swiss 350 Boost w/ 36t upgrade. Cx-ray spokes. Weight should be right around 1330g. $790 shipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerineowl View Post
    Had one of their skyweight? assym (285gm or so) 22mmInner 27.5 rims built up a few months back. Recently purchased the same rims but in a 29. Both for the gravel bike. Zero issues on mine. 1200gm and 1230gm.
    Now I'm looking at another 29 set with the same. Just. One. More.
    Like Tangerine I have a set of the 22mm ID 27.5 on a XC race bike. Wheelset is under 1100g. I also built up the exact same in 29er but with asymmetrical. Wheelset is under 1200g.

    No real issues with either. I did break the front 27.5, but I believe that was from the tire blowing off the rim. It seems that the bead broke on the tire. I ordered the same rim and rebuilt it back up and it has held up fine.

    I weigh 165-175 neked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    Well I now have on order a pair of Carbon Fan, rims only. They were the only brand that could provide a matching set that hit all the points that mattered to me. 28H Front, 32H Rear. 31mm ID F, 29MM ID R, AM layup F, DH layup R.
    It'll be combined with some braided spokes and Project 321 hubs.

    On Edit: Assymetric as well.

    I already have a nice set of Nobl wheels with 321 hubs so this project is really about the braided spokes. I'm a WW that smashes parts on occasion. Looks like this project will save me in the neighborhood of 430 grams (.94#s!!) rotating weight. Hopefully I'll like the feel.

    It's going to take about 6 weeks before this set up is rolling and frankly that'll be August in Texas and not really riding season.
    So I have yet to see the Carbon Wheels wheels, but I can say the service and responsiveness from Arthur at Carbon Fans was fantastic, even when I put a change order in. And I have my tracking number.

    I'm told the front AM wider layup weighs 413 grams and the rear DH narrow layup weighs 425 grams which is a good weight for the products I have. Just noticed I never noted that these are 29er wheels in my initial post.

    I don't have the rest of the wheel build situated just yet so it could be a bit before I'm able to provide a final abuse test much less long term results.

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    An interesting 29er rim for only 325 gr

    What rim is this?

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    What rim is this?
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    Just curious what you guys got in terms of updates? I gather it's a month-ish wait but are there status updates along the way or just when the wheels ship? Thanks in advanced!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Warp View Post
    Sent an order to EIE. I've been wanting some wide UST rims and just couldn't find much for my 27.5 X 3.0 tires. That is until now. They make a 45mm (outer) 38mm (inner). They were only $700. That rocks.
    So I've had my new rims from EIE for about 6 weeks and around 300 miles. No problems so far. Really nice having them set up UST. They are boost and have dt swiss 350 hubs with 32 spokes. I bought them for an ebike and they are working well with a heavy bike and rider plus the extra torque on the drive train. Running low pressure of 14 to 16 psi tubeless and no burps. Here are a couple of pics with the weight at 1900 grams. They drilled the inner hole for the tubeless valve stem a little big but I was able to fix that by putting some old inner tube around the valve stem. They've been bashed pretty good by some rocks already and it hasn't left much of a mark. They seem to be more sure footed than my old 24 spoke rims from Roval. Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbllock55 View Post
    Just curious what you guys got in terms of updates? I gather it's a month-ish wait but are there status updates along the way or just when the wheels ship? Thanks in advanced!
    Depends on your supplier. ICAN and BTLOS give you a date, and usually a few days before they send you a message that the goods are ready, sometimes even with pictures. They also send a tracking number. Then it's just like any other tracked package. You receive updates after every step. Some of them are less clear, "processed through facility", or something like that. But you usually receive confirmation when the package enters the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmendes View Post
    Depends on your supplier. ICAN and BTLOS give you a date, and usually a few days before they send you a message that the goods are ready, sometimes even with pictures. They also send a tracking number. Then it's just like any other tracked package. You receive updates after every step. Some of them are less clear, "processed through facility", or something like that. But you usually receive confirmation when the package enters the country.

    OOOOps sorry forgot to mention its BTLOS. I placed an order last week and havent really heard anything... if i log onto my account it just says COMPLETE under the status bar. Its not a big deal, was just curious what the process looks like. Im inpatient... its bad. Thanks for your reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbllock55 View Post
    OOOOps sorry forgot to mention its BTLOS. I placed an order last week and havent really heard anything... if i log onto my account it just says COMPLETE under the status bar. Its not a big deal, was just curious what the process looks like. Im inpatient... its bad. Thanks for your reply!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbllock55 View Post
    OOOOps sorry forgot to mention its BTLOS. I placed an order last week and havent really heard anything... if i log onto my account it just says COMPLETE under the status bar. Its not a big deal, was just curious what the process looks like. Im inpatient... its bad. Thanks for your reply!
    Take a look at the BTLOS thread in Wheels and Tires. There are a few posts about how long the process took.

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    I see that Nextie has some very attractive pricing for pairs on ebay, as low as $199 shipped for a 29er pair. I have Chris King hubs on my 26er shed bike; I could rebuild those with carbon rims and move those to the race hardtail, and put the old XT785/Stans wheels on a 'new' 29er shed bike (I have all the spares but a fork for the build). Also looking on ebay, it seems that spokes can be found for a reasonable price. I've 'rebuilt' several wheels on 26ers when the rims would wear out, plus do my own truing, I've got a nice Park stand. This seems like an upgrade project I could handle, and cost would be pretty minimal.
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    The rear duroc 50 on my stache is about toast after ~500 miles. Looking for some carbon wheels to lighten the bike up a bit, and higher engaging hubs. I built the following wheelset with EIE... any recommendations on tweaks? I'm 195-200 in my birthday suit, and mostly just ride this bike on local trails, with minor 1-2ft drops. This would be my first carbon wheel set, and i really dont know much about wheels in general, other than what i retrained reading through this thread

    Rims - s29c45d22 (i45/50)

    VersionPLUS480+/-15G)

    Weave3K

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    HUB BrandDT SWISS 350

    Front Axle15*110mm Boost

    Rear Axle12*148mm Boost

    Brake System / Spoke Head6-Bolt / Straight pull

    Holes Count F:28H / R:28H

    Hub ColorBlack

    Freehub BodySram XD

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    Weight: 1797+/-15g

    Final total: USD 720
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    Sapim race are round spokes? I.e. not bladed.

    If I was going to use straight pull spokes, dunno if I'd use round ones. Maybe I'm not a very good wheel builder, but I struggle to stop round spokes from spinning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    I see that Nextie has some very attractive pricing for pairs on ebay, as low as $199 shipped for a 29er pair. I have Chris King hubs on my 26er shed bike; I could rebuild those with carbon rims and move those to the race hardtail, and put the old XT785/Stans wheels on a 'new' 29er shed bike (I have all the spares but a fork for the build). Also looking on ebay, it seems that spokes can be found for a reasonable price. I've 'rebuilt' several wheels on 26ers when the rims would wear out, plus do my own truing, I've got a nice Park stand. This seems like an upgrade project I could handle, and cost would be pretty minimal.
    I have some of these cheap Nextie, and they are good. Make sure you get angled spoke drilling. Some of them don't have it. Hit up cscbike for some cn424 spokes and you'll be set.

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    I received my Carbon Fan rims. They look fantastic. HOWEVER, they are clearly different models.

    I ordered different layups and thickness front to rear but both listed as the same model online, but when they arrived they were different models.

    Arthur of CF was accommodating (offered discounts etc to make it right) however they just don't make a matching set of wheels to the specifications I desire.

    Ultimately it's not a big deal, the shape of my front and rear rims just look slightly different from one another.

    Knowing this now, combined with a situation where I was going to be a tester for a new spoke system and that has now not worked out, I would have just ordered Crank Bros. Synthesis wheels if I could start over.

    Live and learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    Sapim race are round spokes? I.e. not bladed.

    If I was going to use straight pull spokes, dunno if I'd use round ones. Maybe I'm not a very good wheel builder, but I struggle to stop round spokes from spinning.
    I thought i saw a recommendation in this thread to go with sapim race for people 190+ lbs. So maybe i should plan to go with J bend instead of straight pull? I dont plan to work on these wheels at all myself....thanks for insight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    I received my Carbon Fan rims. They look fantastic. HOWEVER, they are clearly different models.

    I ordered different layups and thickness front to rear but both listed as the same model online, but when they arrived they were different models.

    Arthur of CF was accommodating (offered discounts etc to make it right) however they just don't make a matching set of wheels to the specifications I desire.

    Ultimately it's not a big deal, the shape of my front and rear rims just look slightly different from one another.

    Knowing this now, combined with a situation where I was going to be a tester for a new spoke system and that has now not worked out, I would have just ordered Crank Bros. Synthesis wheels if I could start over.

    Live and learn.
    Did they send you a rim that had different dimensions than the one you ordered?

    I would take the discounts or whatever he offered and just order another rim.

    These are, after all, $200 Chinese rims. If you want it right the first time, you get the $600 name brand rims. If you don't get it right or they break, just buy a new one. You'll still come out ahead.

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    I think i'm settling on some EIE wheels, based on recent reviews, their prices and weights. I'm waiting to hear back from them with a couple of questions. My stache came with i45 durocs stock, which i think are fine. I run the stock 3" xr2s. Not sure if i should stick with i45s since it seems to work, or try i39. I tend to enjoy lower pressure around 10f/14r.

    Also at my weight around 200lbs, i should definitely go with 32h right? I broke a few spokes on my stock wheel, not sure if it was due to 28h, or just an improper build. Im pretty easy on wheels, but do ride in some rocks/roots and hit minor drops.

    Last question, should i go with j-bend spokes? And is one a better choice for my weight than another? (pillar 1420, sapim cx ray, sapim race, or DT comp 2/1.8/2)

    Thanks in advance for a noobs first carbon wheel purchase!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Did they send you a rim that had different dimensions than the one you ordered?

    I would take the discounts or whatever he offered and just order another rim.

    These are, after all, $200 Chinese rims. If you want it right the first time, you get the $600 name brand rims. If you don't get it right or they break, just buy a new one. You'll still come out ahead.
    Well, one of the rims was a different model, the 'rain drop' which is in all fairness a more modern and probably higher quality model. It just doesn't match. And they don't make the 'raindrop' in a matching dimensions/ layup for the other end of the bike.

    You are correct on the price, I'll probably reorder and just sell this one off for $100 or something.

    Honestly the finish and quality looks amazing. Very nice product. And Arthur has been very communicative and helpful.

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    I spent quite a bit of time digging through Carbon Fans rather complicated catalog of products and I made a suggestions to Arthur (seriously this guy deserves an A++++++ for communication) of a different model of rim that looks just like the rear rim I have but also has the other layup and width attributes I desire.

    So now I have a slightly discounted 29er Assymetrical 40mm OD/ 34mm ID, AM layup, 28H rim on order. For a front rim I slightly prefer this rim width actually so it works out well.

    I will have a 29er waterdrop model in 31mm ID, 28H, AM layup for sell very soon. Unused, still in the box. Thinking $110 shipped in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    The rear duroc 50 on my stache is about toast after ~500 miles. Looking for some carbon wheels to lighten the bike up a bit, and higher engaging hubs. I built the following wheelset with EIE... any recommendations on tweaks? I'm 195-200 in my birthday suit, and mostly just ride this bike on local trails, with minor 1-2ft drops. This would be my first carbon wheel set, and i really dont know much about wheels in general, other than what i retrained reading through this thread

    Rims - s29c45d22 (i45/50)

    VersionPLUS480+/-15G)

    Weave3K

    FinishMatte

    HUB

    HUB BrandDT SWISS 350

    Front Axle15*110mm Boost

    Rear Axle12*148mm Boost

    Brake System / Spoke Head6-Bolt / Straight pull

    Holes Count F:28H / R:28H

    Hub ColorBlack

    Freehub BodySram XD

    Ratchet54T

    Spokes/Nipple

    SpokeSapim Race

    NippleBrass

    Parts

    DecalNone

    Valve StemAdd Valve Stem

    Tubeless TapeAdd Tubeless Tape
    Pair

    Weight: 1797+/-15g

    Final total: USD 720

    Thanks for the rep Gendy. I came here yesterday to give some feedback but didn't really have enough time to actually create the post.

    You talk about riding local terrain, but didn't really mention what that terrain was like? I think you've made some good selections here: Sapim Race, Brass nips, DT hubs are all quality safe choices. The only area that gives me pause is the 28h spoke count. When building wheels its been noticeable how much having those 4 extra spokes help keep things stiff and sturdy. When you pre-stress the wheel during build-up by laying it on its side and flexing it to get things settled in, those 4 spokes make a difference. Likewise, IMHO those same 4 spokes when put on a gram scale....don't make that much difference. Get what I'm saying?

    What was your goal with this wheel set? Mine was to build up a pretty lightweight set of everyday wheels that could be used (with lighter tires) as a race-day setup. I strongly contemplated going 28h myself. But in the end, the extra strength, bracing and load sharing (especially if a spoke breaks sometime) kept me at 32h. That said, I DID gamble with the pillar blades spokes and aluminum nips. But for a long-term sturdy purchase I think brass is very smart.

    All that said, and I chose the i39 rim, mine came in at 1620 grams. I'd say this is about as light (or maybe even lighter) than I'd care to go with my budget and a 29 plus scenario.

    Whatever the case, I think you'll be pleased with the EIE rim(s). I'm heading off to Colorado Saturday and threw mine back in the truing stand. Still super true (after 10 months of constant riding) and we have plenty of chunk around here...


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    Quote Originally Posted by CBaron View Post
    Thanks for the rep Gendy. I came here yesterday to give some feedback but didn't really have enough time to actually create the post.

    You talk about riding local terrain, but didn't really mention what that terrain was like? I think you've made some good selections here: Sapim Race, Brass nips, DT hubs are all quality safe choices. The only area that gives me pause is the 28h spoke count. When building wheels its been noticeable how much having those 4 extra spokes help keep things stiff and sturdy. When you pre-stress the wheel during build-up by laying it on its side and flexing it to get things settled in, those 4 spokes make a difference. Likewise, IMHO those same 4 spokes when put on a gram scale....don't make that much difference. Get what I'm saying?

    What was your goal with this wheel set? Mine was to build up a pretty lightweight set of everyday wheels that could be used (with lighter tires) as a race-day setup. I strongly contemplated going 28h myself. But in the end, the extra strength, bracing and load sharing (especially if a spoke breaks sometime) kept me at 32h. That said, I DID gamble with the pillar blades spokes and aluminum nips. But for a long-term sturdy purchase I think brass is very smart.

    All that said, and I chose the i39 rim, mine came in at 1620 grams. I'd say this is about as light (or maybe even lighter) than I'd care to go with my budget and a 29 plus scenario.

    Whatever the case, I think you'll be pleased with the EIE rim(s). I'm heading off to Colorado Saturday and threw mine back in the truing stand. Still super true (after 10 months of constant riding) and we have plenty of chunk around here...
    Wow - nice pic, thats chunky!

    I'm in upstate NY and ride the stache on area trails which are mostly natural single track with rocks/roots. I spare it from the most technical trails and usually ride FS there. I like to pop off things in the trail the best i can, no major jumps/drops. I've only been riding around 3 years, and havent had any wheel trouble until i got the stache. I have broken multiple spokes in the rear, and it appears the nipples are now pulling through the rim in multiple places. Perhaps just bad luck on the initial wheel build, or subsequent repairs? I hope to shave a little weight off my bike, and see if it feels livelier with lighter/carbon wheels. My buddies 9.8 sure does. I have been enjoying the xr2s so i will likely stick with them, although i havent tried much else. I have been torn on the i39 vs i45 for months, but think i've finally decided to try i39s.

    I agree about the spoke count, i have changed my pending order to 32h. I asked EIE about a spoke recommendation and they said DT competition. Not sure how much weight to put into that, but decided to go with it.

    Thanks for the response!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post

    I will have a 29er waterdrop model in 31mm ID, 28H, AM layup for sell very soon. Unused, still in the box. Thinking $110 shipped in the USA.
    Trying to resist. I know if I bought this rim, I'd have to build up another bike so I could use it.

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    BTLOS doesnt have the hub I want and are offering me a straight pull hub instead.

    Should I go straight pull?

    Which spokes should I get if I do?

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    use EIE instead.

    i purchased from them 1.5yrs ago and had a good experience. my wheelset is still in great condition and theyll build them however you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Trying to resist. I know if I bought this rim, I'd have to build up another bike so I could use it.
    You have been saved. It's spoken for.
    Take care.

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    I decided to get the BTLOS 30id with DT350 28H straight pull hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.It should be a great build.

    Amy at BTLOS was very helpful and communicated very quickly. She worked hard to get this all sorted out (the issue of not having 28H Jbend DT350 hubs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropout33 View Post
    I decided to get the BTLOS 30id with DT350 28H straight pull hubs and Sapim CX-Ray spokes.It should be a great build.

    Amy at BTLOS was very helpful and communicated very quickly. She worked hard to get this all sorted out (the issue of not having 28H Jbend DT350 hubs)
    Whatís the estimated weight on these? Iím looking for something light for my wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal-Rider View Post
    Whatís the estimated weight on these? Iím looking for something light for my wife.
    1613 +/-25g

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal-Rider View Post
    Whatís the estimated weight on these? Iím looking for something light for my wife.
    EIE id29 od35 Asym (identical to Nox Farlow dimensions, but 50g lighter per rim 380g) DT 240, 54t, Jbend, 6 bolt, brass nipples, tape and valve stems 1490g, = $1030 to your door.

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    Just to compare the ones I ordered from BTLOS were $746 shipped to my door

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    Thank you both for those data pts. It helps.

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    The Carbon Fan rims I just purchased are absolutely flawless, I mean perfect.
    Due to tariffs the price just went up about 25% however.

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    Where are you seeing the increased price? I'm looking at the 2019 XY rims, still $402 for a pair shipped. Went all the way to checkout at $402.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Where are you seeing the increased price? I'm looking at the 2019 XY rims, still $402 for a pair shipped. Went all the way to checkout at $402.
    I paid considerably less than that 8 weeks ago for the same thing.

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    huh. I bought the 2018 versions last year and they were the same price. I wonder if there was a sale going on in June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    I paid considerably less than that 8 weeks ago for the same thing.

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    EIE prices havenít changed.

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    Just received carbonfan wheelset yesterday 8-10-19. Did not pay any extra for a tariff. Rode them today and they are perfect. 30mm deep 29 wide 22 ID for my road bike. Weight was 1260 grams. (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?-27d33fef-52c7-4f46-b18a-14f43d210f33.jpgClick image for larger version. 

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    What do you guys recommend for rim tape and valve stems? My EIE wheels just came up, but didnt include, although i thought i specified to.
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    Tyvek tape, you just have to trim to size. I bought cheap ebay red presta stems and have no issues.

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    Stanís or similar for the least fuss. Tyvek if you are going for weight weenie, itís a bit difficult to work with and especially to remove.
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    My first time taping wheels, so the easier the better i think. In the past i've only installed the bontrager tubless rim strips. Is the stans sealant good too, or is there something better? My bonty stuff is just about empty, willing to try something else..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    My first time taping wheels, so the easier the better i think.
    Thanks!
    It was my first time and it was pretty easy. Rims held air for two weeks before I added the sealant. Berryman tire sealant worked fine for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    What do you guys recommend for rim tape and valve stems? My EIE wheels just came up, but didnt include, although i thought i specified to.
    TY
    I really like Kapton tape. Itís cheap, easy to work with, seals well, and comes off without any residue. Before that I used Stans.
    As for valves I like Truckerco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendy View Post
    My first time taping wheels, so the easier the better i think. In the past i've only installed the bontrager tubless rim strips. Is the stans sealant good too, or is there something better? My bonty stuff is just about empty, willing to try something else..

    Thanks!
    Stan's sealant works great. I make my own sealant, but if I'm on vacation and need some, Stan's works just fine. The biggest issue is that it should be replenished every few months and maybe every 6mo take the tires off and clean out the stans boogers that inevitably form. If you hang the bike up for the winter, that is a good time to do it. Yeah, being it's your first time, don't screw around with the other tapes, Stan's will be the least frustrating. I found a cool way to make the hole for the valve-stem is to heat up a nail or similar with a lighter and use that to melt the hole, rather than try to tear the hole and end up with the tears that make it harder to seal. One other tip, make sure to put a tube in overnight when you install the rim strip, pump it up to 35-40psi. This will press the strip into the rim and help to prevent any sealant seeping through the strip. When it comes time to add the sealant (and remove the tube), pop only one side of the bead and fish the tube out, it will make seating the tire easier because one side is already set and add do the final work of setting the bead and adding the sealant before a ride. There's nothing like a ride to slosh the sealant all throughout the tire and seal up the bead. Otherwise it may go flat overnight.
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    Has any one used any of the Chinese carbon rims in an AM/ enduro setting? lots of rocks lots of roots many hard drops and square edges and some time questionable line choices?

    Id love to go carbon for additional rigity on the bike but i cant afford the big boy names. Also i tried to read all the way through before asking im sorry if it has already been asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by primer29 View Post
    Has any one used any of the Chinese carbon rims in an AM/ enduro setting? lots of rocks lots of roots many hard drops and square edges and some time questionable line choices?

    Id love to go carbon for additional rigity on the bike but i cant afford the big boy names. Also i tried to read all the way through before asking im sorry if it has already been asked
    Yup, I dont think alloy gives you a heck of a lot more protection in these settings. I have learned what my proper tire pressure is and as long as I dont drop into a rock garden with less than that, I'll be no worse with my EIE carbon wheels. Probably better though because as I reported upthread, what I really find is different about the carbon wheels is the ability to hold a line in chunky slop. These things have way more lateral stiffness and so you can point and go as opposed to finding yourself in a situation where a bit of flex leads you onto the wrong side of the next rock or root. I have 3 months of hard dry, rocky, summer riding on my EIEs, can't say I have one doubt about them other than questioning why I waited so long to pull the trigger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by primer29 View Post
    Has any one used any of the Chinese carbon rims in an AM/ enduro setting? lots of rocks lots of roots many hard drops and square edges and some time questionable line choices?

    Id love to go carbon for additional rigity on the bike but i cant afford the big boy names. Also i tried to read all the way through before asking im sorry if it has already been asked
    Are you kidding? I and many others have been racing these DH and Enduro for years. We say this and it sounds like a broken record, these rims are every bit as good as Envy, Reynolds, SC and whatever else.

    If you don't run enough pressure to prevent rim-strikes, you will kill them (and aluminum rims too). The harder you ride, the more pressure you need. Many people learn this the hard way. For big hits, big impacts, I find them to be far superior, they don't get "knocked out of true" like aluminum.

    About the only place I wouldn't run carbon rims as my primary wheelset would be South Mountain and Goat Camp in Phoenix, just so much solid rock and it gets kicked up easily, but having ridden all over the SW, PacNW, CO and many other states, other "rocky" terrain is usually not a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    they don't get "knocked out of true" like aluminum
    I have wondered about that, I've built a number of wheels for myself, do my own truing (most of the time), but I've never built with a carbon rim.
    It seems that carbon could not 'take a bend' like aluminum (dismantle an alum wheel that has been trued once, and it the rim will not be straight), carbon would not be able to be bent like that (it would stay straight until cracked/failed), and if your spoke tension is even, it would simply have to be straight. - so you just check tension periodically?, no more odd tensions to get it true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Are you kidding? I and many others have been racing these DH and Enduro for years. We say this and it sounds like a broken record, these rims are every bit as good as Envy, Reynolds, SC and whatever else.

    If you don't run enough pressure to prevent rim-strikes, you will kill them (and aluminum rims too). The harder you ride, the more pressure you need. Many people learn this the hard way. For big hits, big impacts, I find them to be far superior, they don't get "knocked out of true" like aluminum.

    About the only place I wouldn't run carbon rims as my primary wheelset would be South Mountain and Goat Camp in Phoenix, just so much solid rock and it gets kicked up easily, but having ridden all over the SW, PacNW, CO and many other states, other "rocky" terrain is usually not a concern.
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    Light Bicycle has a great rep and is widely used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    I have wondered about that, I've built a number of wheels for myself, do my own truing (most of the time), but I've never built with a carbon rim.
    It seems that carbon could not 'take a bend' like aluminum (dismantle an alum wheel that has been trued once, and it the rim will not be straight), carbon would not be able to be bent like that (it would stay straight until cracked/failed), and if your spoke tension is even, it would simply have to be straight. - so you just check tension periodically?, no more odd tensions to get it true?
    That's it, and every once and a while I check the tension/true-ness, but they just stay true and I have nothing to fix. I think the resistance to "big hits" is much greater than aluminum, the kind of stuff that would knock your wheel out of true, not a rim impact, but mega-hits to the wheel. Building them is a dream too, I start getting OCD trying to take out fractions of a millimeter that would never be possible with aluminum.
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    I just received my BTLOs wheel set. they are WM-I30 rims, 28 hole, DTSwiss 350 straight pull center lock hubs, with Sapim CX-ray spokes.

    Everything is perfect, no defects, of any kind.

    Front wheel is 758 grams
    Rear wheel is 883 grams

    Total weight is 1641

    Total price to my door was $746.34

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    I did not get a chance to read the whole thread so I apologize ahead of time if it's been covered.

    These will go in my Tallboy 3, mostly rough XC, lots of roots and rocks though with some 4ft drops and jumps. Typical east coast AM riding too. I have a DT Swiss with 54T ratchet already I think I can transfer over.

    How does the below setup from BTLOS look? What is the AM vs EN selection do?I didn't notice a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black89 View Post
    How does the below setup from BTLOS look? What is the AM vs EN selection do?I didn't notice a difference.
    It's on their page:
    Premium: AM 450+/-15g ; EN 470+/-15g
    EN is 20g heavier, because it's stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmendes View Post
    It's on their page:


    EN is 20g heavier, because it's stronger.
    Thanks couldn't find it anywhere. I will just do the EN build, I would rather have stronger than lighter. Will post pics when they arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dropout33 View Post
    I just received my BTLOs wheel set. they are WM-I30 rims, 28 hole, DTSwiss 350 straight pull center lock hubs, with Sapim CX-ray spokes.

    Everything is perfect, no defects, of any kind.

    Front wheel is 758 grams
    Rear wheel is 883 grams

    Total weight is 1641

    Total price to my door was $746.34
    Hard to beat that.

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    Checking in to say that my 29er rims from light bikes are about to have their 6TH birthday next week. I've been thinking about getting wider rims for at least 2 years but just kept telling myself I'd wait until one broke... still hasn't happened. I can't believe how many rock strikes these rims have endured. The one rim has been laced to 3 different rear hubs in the time I've had it.

    I'm building up a new 27.5 bike soon and i'm torn about whether to stick with light bikes because the first set outperformed my expectations by a mile, or save about $200 and go with Nextie. Decisions decisions...

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    How wide, 92gli? Nextie has some "promotion" i30 rims for a nice price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PROMOTION-3...NIcJDsZeYO70sg

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    I have two sets of chinese-made carbon wheels right now and both are great.

    1) nextie 45mm aero hoops on my road bike laced to I9 road hubs.
    2) 226 Sources house brand 30mm inner hoops on my MTB laced to I9 straight pull torch hubs.

    Both are great! Initial quality impressions were very good, and I'm comparing to my previous ZIPP and I9 wheelsets. So far they've taken to some beating in pisgah without any issues. Even the wheel guy at my LBS was really impressed with them for how easily and how well they built up. He's previously used Light-bicycle on his personal wheels and he said these built up better.

    A friend of mine runs 226Sources, he's the one who got me hooked on Nextie products (I was originally very hesitant to get on the chinese carbon wheel train because broken wheels in Pisgah means a lot of hiking) and his own house branded wheels are great as well. I have nothing but good things to say about either wheelset I have that use chinese carbon and I would definitely not be afraid of Nextie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    How wide, 92gli? Nextie has some "promotion" i30 rims for a nice price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PROMOTION-3...NIcJDsZeYO70sg
    Yeah, eyeing those in 27.5. Don't think they have angled drilling but neither do the light bikes rims I've been riding for 6 years and I've never had a broken nipple (I always build with brass though). That price is fantastic!

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    oh I figured you wanted 29 since this is the 29er components forum.

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    Yesterday at the bike park, despite a DHF and HR2, my tires just weren't tough enough for the sharp rocks. They weren't the DH casings, but still pretty tough, the carnage included one sliced tire (HR2) and having to put 3 plugs (in different places) in the front due to sharp rock punctures. But the rims just laugh it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    How wide, 92gli? Nextie has some "promotion" i30 rims for a nice price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PROMOTION-3...NIcJDsZeYO70sg
    Thanks for sharing the deal. That was too good to pass up. Just ordered a set this morning. This will be my first Nextie set. Iíve been rolling on various LB and CarbonBicycle.cc carbon hoops for years. Hope they are at least as good. I havenít had any issues with the straight drilled rims either (also on brass nips) and I'm 93kg.

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    Stay away from Light Bicycle. Their warranty program sucks. I have a pair of wheels with INine hubs built up this year and the rear wheel developed a huge crack. 30/35 RM29307 model with the heavier build. Crack was right by spoke area. Sent in to warranty and no dice. Sorry, only crash replacement with with a whopping 19 dollars off and I pay for shipping. No crash, no rock strike, just normal riding. Waste of money.

    Light Bicycle Wheels are cheap and poorly made and their warranty sucks as they don't honor it.

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    I would still buy Light bicycle even though they don't warranty their rims. They're cheap enough and the problems rare enough to play the odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    I would still buy Light bicycle even though they don't warranty their rims. They're cheap enough and the problems rare enough to play the odds.
    I feel the same.

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    Anybody have luck getting free shipping from BTLOS? I want a dt350 gravel set. $70 shipping puts these out of reach....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Anybody have luck getting free shipping from BTLOS? I want a dt350 gravel set. $70 shipping puts these out of reach....
    I sent you a message

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Anybody have luck getting free shipping from BTLOS? I want a dt350 gravel set. $70 shipping puts these out of reach....
    Curious about this as well.
    Iím planning to order a wheel set and a set of rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAngel2 View Post
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    Light Bicycle Wheels are cheap and poorly made and their warranty sucks as they don't honor it.
    Well, of course theyíre cheap - this whole thread is about cheap rims.

    That said Iíve had great results with LB rims as well as 3 sets of rims from Carbonbicycle.cc. Currently planning to purchase some from BTLOS.
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    On BTLOs When I spun the wheel I got free shipping

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    Which vendors tend to have Black Friday sales?


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    I've found they almost all do but it's not massive. Just ask for a discount... They usually negotiate.

    Last year speedsafe had super low prices on AliExpress for singles day. 11/11.

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    Am I crazy, for not wanting to take Chinese carbon rims into consideration? I mean, yes they are cheaper, and they are not necessarily weak/flawed. And yes, brand name rims/wheels are a lot more expensive and not necessarily strong/flawless.

    BUT (itís a big but). Every time I go trail riding, I risk my health and my life considerably. I really want that piece mind, knowing there is a lot higher chance my rims are not made of leftover carbon sheets, and are laminated with high quality resin, and properly cured. Also Iím not obsessed with carbon. So I am more happy with high quality alloy wheels. Finally, performance-wise carbon, if not really thought through, makes for an very unforgiving ride. And In my head that is no clear advantage over really good alloy wheelset, that happens to be 100-200g heavier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan Wolf View Post
    Am I crazy, for not wanting to take Chinese carbon rims into consideration? I mean, yes they are cheaper, and they are not necessarily weak/flawed. And yes, brand name rims/wheels are a lot more expensive and not necessarily strong/flawless.

    BUT (itís a big but). Every time I go trail riding, I risk my health and my life considerably. I really want that piece mind, knowing there is a lot higher chance my rims are not made of leftover carbon sheets, and are laminated with high quality resin, and properly cured. Also Iím not obsessed with carbon. So I am more happy with high quality alloy wheels. Finally, performance-wise carbon, if not really thought through, makes for an very unforgiving ride. And In my head that is no clear advantage over really good alloy wheelset, that happens to be 100-200g heavier.


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    In a word, yes. Read through this whole thread, and see if you can find one catastrophic failure. Any failures reported in this thread caused by a hit would have likely tacoed an aluminum wheel. The carbon wheels are a bit lighter then aluminum, but they are much stiffer than any aluminum wheel. Stiffer wheels track better, and are more efficient Weight is only a part of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    In a word, yes. Read through this whole thread, and see if you can find one catastrophic failure. Any failures reported in this thread caused by a hit would have likely tacoed an aluminum wheel. The carbon wheels are a bit lighter then aluminum, but they are much stiffer than any aluminum wheel. Stiffer wheels track better, and are more efficient Weight is only a part of the equation.
    Sure, but first of all - carbon brakes unpredictably. Second - the thread is contains word (cheap) in its name. If I had more disposable income I would buy the best carbon wheelset I could find. Third - they took our jobs (LOL)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan Wolf View Post
    Sure, but first of all - carbon brakes unpredictably. Second - the thread is contains word (cheap) in its name. If I had more disposable income I would buy the best carbon wheelset I could find. Third - they took our jobs (LOL)


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    Everything breaks unpredictably. Carbon as a wheel material will build a stronger wheel than aluminum. Cheap refers to price, not quality. In the very beginning QC was an issue for some manufacturers, but that ended fairly quickly. It's easier and cheaper for them to do good QC rather than eat shipping on replacements.
    Read the thread, and make up your own mind. I have been on carbon wheels for 5+ years with no issues. I have owned/ridden 27.5+, 29, 29+ and fatbike. I will never ride aluminum wheels on an MTB by choice. I don't ride my road bike enough to warrant carbon hoops. If I did I would upgrade to Light Bicycle or Nextie carbon rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan Wolf View Post
    Sure, but first of all - carbon brakes unpredictably. Second - the thread is contains word (cheap) in its name. If I had more disposable income I would buy the best carbon wheelset I could find. Third - they took our jobs (LOL)
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    I've broken carbon frames, seatposts, bars, saddles, and one rim, from expensive name brand to generic. None of them broke in an unpredictable fashion. This makes sense because carbon is a composite made of load distributed through many fibers. You can crack half the fibers and the other half take up the load.

    I have the money and I don't waste it on expensive carbon rims. Why? Because 5 minutes on the trail on a new wheelset and there are limestone chunks bouncing off my brand spanking new rim putting gouges and scratches in them. There also not any worse than the expensive stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan Wolf View Post
    carbon brakes unpredictably.
    This I agree with, a few people have been trying to make carbon fiber brake rotors for mountain bikes and they don't brake worth beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    This I agree with, a few people have been trying to make carbon fiber brake rotors for mountain bikes and they don't brake worth beans.
    They work on cars, but on cars they are massive. That would beat the purpose of having light bike rotors. And they would be crazy expensive for something that is not meant to last long anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan Wolf View Post
    They work on cars, but on cars they are massive. That would beat the purpose of having light bike rotors. And they would be crazy expensive for something that is not meant to last long anyway.


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    No, they don't, they don't make carbon FIBER brakes for cars. Therein lies the problem, the process to make those type of brake rotors is extremely expensive and intensive, a set of rotors can cost around $30K, depending on the car. Different process than carbon fiber.
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    I'm looking for a set of carbon rims but don't seem to find any that fit the criteria:

    -Asymmetric
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    -27-30mm internal width.

    I've checked all the usual suspects but can't find any. If anyone has any tips pointers?

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    Carbonfan Waterdrop model

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    So I just cracked an EIE A29C30D28S, pretty sure its the exact same rim as the carbonfan waterdrop (exact same rim profile). I've had the wheels for 3 weeks (10 rides), not running any inserts but I haven't felt a rim strike. I weigh 160 pounds with gear, was riding my sb100 at grahm swamp in Florida (chunkyish but low speed) 2.6 maxxis rekon 120tpi exo at 25 psi in the back. Had already done a lap and was on my second when on short chunky downhill I heard the loudest crack. Wasn't braking or in a g out just a sandy chunky downhill. Stopped to check and rim was cracked and leaking a bit of stans but no hiss. 0 damage to tire.

    So yea now I'm trying to decide what to do. I'm going to keep the eie on the front because well its the front and I'm light. However really thinking I should go with something sturdier in the rear. I guess I could warranty with EIE, but I'm strongly leaning towards weareone, (maybe santa cruz also) I think for me the peace of mind and lack of hassle will be worth the added cost/weight. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears, but mainly wanted to share my experience, if you're heavier and like to bomb I'd strongly recommend a heavier/stronger rim, these rims are light xc only imo. I'm just glad it happened at low speed in florida and not when I'll be at pisgah this weekend.

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    Oh also, would like to add before this set I was on cheap set of aluminum raceface ar27 wheels for 6 months (60+ rides, mostly in chunky fast TN mtns) with either 2.4 or 2.6 recon from 23-27 psi. I had one bad rim strike that lead to a flat, but other than that 0 issues no dings or flat spots. Not saying the raceface wheels were any good or that i prefer alu, just saying I'm not hard on my wheels or equipment.

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    the process to make those type of brake rotors is extremely expensive and intensive, a set of rotors can cost around $30K, depending on the car. Different process than carbon fiber.
    No. Some of the best are 1800-2500 a rotor for replacement cost on most Vettes and Ferraris which use Brembos. 5k puts a set and calipers on cars without them if one shops.

    Most do not cost that much, and the ones that do are for the ultra rich multi million dollar cars mortals do not get.

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    Ive been running cheap ebay carbon rims 30mm ID with powerway hubs and having great success. Trick is running tires with a hair more pressure than normal. Cuts down on bad rim strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outhouse View Post
    No. Some of the best are 1800-2500 a rotor for replacement cost on most Vettes and Ferraris which use Brembos. 5k puts a set and calipers on cars without them if one shops.

    Most do not cost that much, and the ones that do are for the ultra rich multi million dollar cars mortals do not get.
    $2500 a rotor is 10K for 4. Yes, it's an expensive process for real carbon (not carbon fiber hack) rotors. Whether it's aftermarket, or OEM, which can easily run 30K for a set. It's a totally different product and process than cutting some rotors out of carbon-weave sheets. Look it up on wiki if you don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adurant View Post
    I'm just glad it happened at low speed in florida and not when I'll be at pisgah this weekend.
    I live 15 minutes from the pisgah ranger station and those are my go to trails. I'm on Nextie rims without any issues, laced to I9 hubs with 28 spokes on each wheel. I'm not the most aggressive or rowdiest rider, but I hit my fair share of things fast/hard/often. I've also hit rocks hard enough to pinch flat and destroy my rear tire, but the rim is still perfect.

    I think you just need a rim that's more suited to your use, doesn't necessarily have to be a more expensive rim. A similar rim (width) to your EIE is this:
    https://www.nextie.com/premium-mount...inch-NXT29XM35
    Notice how your EIE was 360g, where these are 435g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    It's a totally different product and process than cutting some rotors out of carbon-weave sheets. .
    Im not arguing that point. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    $2500 a rotor is 10K for 4. .
    Sorry they are down top 1250-1500 for a single rotor. I have been wanting to put these on my Z06 for a while now. Again 5k buys a set and calipers for the whole car.

    Racers hate them due to replacement cost, and use the stock steel rotors for track days. Better racers will use metal floating rotors. No one on the track uses carbon, its sort of street bling, but suits my purpose of canyon carving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outhouse View Post
    Again 5k buys a set and calipers for the whole car.
    13k, on sale from 16k!

    And yes, it's true that GM is doing it for less money than the traditional Ferrari and Porsche products, despite this, you are still looking at 10-fold or more times the cost of a steel rotor. The main point being, the process to make these is not like simple carbon fiber, as a few of the people pushing "mountain bike carbon rotors" would have you believe. If you look at how these were made on the weight weenies forum you'd see they are dangerous at best, but then again you have fools there using cork as brake pads.
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    1250 for a single rotor, and if you did not know Ferarri and GM often use the same Brembo rotor. So GM is not doing anything for less. And I understand it is ceramic carbon fiber and is not what can be bought cheap. I never argued that.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-13-Cor...oAAOSwHGFcy2RW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    This I agree with, a few people have been trying to make carbon fiber brake rotors for mountain bikes and they don't brake worth beans.
    Of course they won't work.
    A carbon/ceramic rotor needs to be hot to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-H View Post
    Of course they won't work.
    A carbon/ceramic rotor needs to be hot to work.
    They don't make carbon/ceramic rotors for bikes, there's a few people peddling carbon fiber rotorss, which are not the same thing and which don't work because they have no heat resistance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinfo...E2%80%93carbon

    Carbon brake rotors on cars are not carbon fiber like your bike frame.
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    I thought this thread was about wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS645 View Post
    I'm looking for a set of carbon rims but don't seem to find any that fit the criteria:

    -Asymmetric
    -18-22mm profile height
    -3mm+ beads
    -27-30mm internal width.

    I've checked all the usual suspects but can't find any. If anyone has any tips pointers?
    Have Asyms (big fan) but not that wide, 25mm IDs. Very very happy w/ them
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    Quote Originally Posted by adurant View Post
    So I just cracked an EIE A29C30D28S, pretty sure its the exact same rim as the carbonfan waterdrop (exact same rim profile). I've had the wheels for 3 weeks (10 rides), not running any inserts but I haven't felt a rim strike. I weigh 160 pounds with gear, was riding my sb100 at grahm swamp in Florida (chunkyish but low speed) 2.6 maxxis rekon 120tpi exo at 25 psi in the back. Had already done a lap and was on my second when on short chunky downhill I heard the loudest crack. Wasn't braking or in a g out just a sandy chunky downhill. Stopped to check and rim was cracked and leaking a bit of stans but no hiss. 0 damage to tire.

    So yea now I'm trying to decide what to do. I'm going to keep the eie on the front because well its the front and I'm light. However really thinking I should go with something sturdier in the rear. I guess I could warranty with EIE, but I'm strongly leaning towards weareone, (maybe santa cruz also) I think for me the peace of mind and lack of hassle will be worth the added cost/weight. If anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears, but mainly wanted to share my experience, if you're heavier and like to bomb I'd strongly recommend a heavier/stronger rim, these rims are light xc only imo. I'm just glad it happened at low speed in florida and not when I'll be at pisgah this weekend.

    Link to picture (shit quality i can get more pics if people want): https://photos.app.goo.gl/tPynKaUygeCci9Nq5
    So I finally got around to emailing EIE about warranty (I wasn't expecting much.) Well they emailed me back within a couple hours and are sending me a new free replacement rim. I had them change it to the slightly heavier 400g (instead of 360g) version. Felt pretty good about their service and it could've been a fluke, so I also ordered the 460g version of the same profile to put on the rear of my upcoming sb150. I'll update with ride impressions and any issues I run into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adurant View Post
    So I finally got around to emailing EIE about warranty (I wasn't expecting much.) Well they emailed me back within a couple hours and are sending me a new free replacement rim. I had them change it to the slightly heavier 400g (instead of 360g) version. Felt pretty good about their service and it could've been a fluke, so I also ordered the 460g version of the same profile to put on the rear of my upcoming sb150. I'll update with ride impressions and any issues I run into.
    Thatís good to hear EIE is taking care of you. Iím in the market for a lightweight 30mm-ish wheelset for my wife and like those EIE rim specs. Iíll admit though, reading about your cracked rim issue did make me second guess their durability. A 360g rim is really light though.

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    I have had good luck with Light Bicycle RM29C19 (395g, 24mm internal width) rims over the past 18 months of XC/endurance/bikepacking. Just ordered another pair for a Son 28/Chris King wheelset build. I realize these narrow rims don't follow the popular trends, but for how inexpensive they are, I've found them to be durable. I'll be running them with 2.1 Thunder Burts up to 2.6 XR2 (which is a pretty narrow 2.6).

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