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    Zi Kona Honzo is finished

    Finished up the Honzo today. I'm going to try and get out on Saturday to test it out. Really weird having suspension after being rigid for years now...especially with this much travel. It feels really quick around the area around my house which surprised me. Will trim the steerer tube when I convince myself I don't need it. I'm going to swap some new rubber on (the rear for sure) when I get to my storage unit and/or when the new fatty treads come out. Also, I'm waiting for that new Fox D.O.S.S. seatpost to come out to try my hand at a dropper post.

    Build is straight from my 2011 Kona Unit.

    180mm XT cranks, 34 tooth Surly ring on the outside (looking for black cranks/32 ring)
    King SS rear, King OS bearing front hub, Arch rims
    Python rear, 29-3 front
    King tapered HS
    Marzocchi 44 micro Ti, 140mm tapered (CL special)
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    185 Avid XX rotors
    GT bolt on grips
    100mm X4 stem








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    That's a sharp lookin bike!

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    weight?

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    Where did you get the frame? I thought the frame's only weren't due out until april or so.

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    Thanks for the rep!

    Lovin the color and finish. That flat blue looks so much better in person.

    Are you looking at 27 lbs with that setup? Is that the 20L size? Cuz it looks like a 26er

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    Looks great.

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    Liking the blue. IME you should try a shorter stem with that fork and frame.

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    you planning to ride geared or stay single?

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    It's just the regular 20". I might try a shorter stem in the future. I shortened it 20mm from what my old stem was. On the Unit (24.5" ETT) I had a 120mm stem. This bike has a 25" ETT with a 100mm stem..to try and match the same effective reach. I could do with a 90mm stem probably. I'll see how it handles on the trail.

    I'm going to weigh it at the shop tonight.

    Def. staying single speed
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    nice lookin' build, 'seed.

    i have a set of black FSA V-drive cranks with a 32t ring that I'll let go for a song. 175s, but that may not be a bad thing with the heel clearance issues some have had on this frame.
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    Nice! Not sure how I feel about you not getting a Nimble 9- how are we gonna be twinsies now? Although we are on somewhat similarly designed frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos View Post
    Nice! Not sure how I feel about you not getting a Nimble 9- how are we gonna be twinsies now? Although we are on somewhat similarly designed frames...

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    Ha! I know, is this like our breakup moment or what? I was all about the Nimble but they don't make one with a top tube as long as I prefer and the Screamy is not singlespeedable without a tensioner.

    Didn't get a chance to weigh it today, but will tomorrow. I'm kicking myself because I tried to weigh it as a frame only, no headset or nothing, but the park scale i have was too small. I also have a Unit frame only, in the same size to compare to. Basically I blew the ultimate Kona 29er steel hardtail frame weigh off
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    Hi there,
    1. Where from did You get Honzo as frame only? (and how much)
    2.Can You please compare Unit vs Honzo?
    I know Honzo is more am oriented, but is it more agile, jumpy and bunnyhopy besides more weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Where did you get the frame? I thought the frame's only weren't due out until april or so.
    According to Kona the first batch of frames is available in October but already sold out so you need to call around and see if any shops have any extra's that are unsold. Not sure how many they made for the first run but not expecting that many. The second batch won't be ready until April unfortunately.
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    ^what he said. I found a shop that was willing to break down a complete (1 of 2 thy had in my size) and sell me the frame only. I paid full retail for the frame plus shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    ^what he said. I found a shop that was willing to break down a complete (1 of 2 thy had in my size) and sell me the frame only. I paid full retail for the frame plus shipping.

    Awesome that they stripped one for you. I want mine soooo bad. I just hope the late October deadline for pre-order frames is correct. Just stoked that Jeff at Kona said they should be on time unless the boat sinks.
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    Cool,
    How much does Honzo frame cost?

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    Nice looking bike. I think the red accents are just right. Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    ^what he said. I found a shop that was willing to break down a complete (1 of 2 thy had in my size) and sell me the frame only. I paid full retail for the frame plus shipping.
    Cool. Sounds like a great shop.

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    $550 full retail for frame U.S.
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    nice

    sweet ride! does the frame use a tapered shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aardvark102431 View Post
    sweet ride! does the frame use a tapered shock?
    It has a 44mm headtube so you can use either.
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    what size tire are you running in the rear?
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    I put 2.2 Kenda Karmas front and rear after a day or two. Would love some new, high volume tires, but realistically have too many tires in my stash to justify spending the $$$$$.
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    I decided to not build a Honzo and go the squishy route so if anyone is interested Bikeman should have a 20L frame available in a couple weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I put 2.2 Kenda Karmas front and rear after a day or two. Would love some new, high volume tires, but realistically have too many tires in my stash to justify spending the $$$$$.
    Have you had a chance to weigh it yet?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by el_chupo_ View Post
    Have you had a chance to weigh it yet?

    Thanks!
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    Any ride reports? I was going to build a squishy bike but the Honzo is sooo intriguing.
    Something with wheels and brakes.

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    Well considering you can't buy a slack 29er full suspension right now for anything less than $1500 for frame only, and just about every other slack hard tail frame is over $800, yes...quite intriquing.

    If for no other reason than to buy a long travel fork and save money for the slack squishiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaintPeelinPbody View Post
    just about every other slack hard tail frame is over $800
    besides the Nimble9, Yelli Screamy, Paradox

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    besides the Nimble9, Yelli Screamy, Paradox
    And upcoming TransAM 29er.

    What other slack AM 29er frames are out there over $800 with the exception of going custom or the Chromag Surface?

    Edit: Forgot the 2Souls Cycles Quarterhorse, that's also over $1,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    And upcoming TransAM 29er.

    What other slack AM 29er frames are out there over $800 with the exception of going custom or the Chromag Surface?


    What sort of price are the Transam 29er frames going to retail for? The yelli seems like the best deal right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    $699

    It's either this or the Yelli for me.

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    I think Diamondback has an AM 29er hardtail too. I remember it getting a buzz during Interbike.

    Edit: here's a link: Diamondback Creates Dixon 140mm 29er Freeride Hardtail Because Someone Had To, Plus New Road and MTBs - Bike Rumor

    Edit2: pretty sure they have to change the model name from Dixon to something else, probably since Devinci has that name.

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    Wow, really, they have a 1/2 degree slacker HA than most of the frames listed here and they "had" to do it Seems the marketing geniuses are truly on a roll this year

    So digging the Honzo, think Kona did an excellent job, good price point, but hard for me to honestly want one when I've got the Paradox and Prime coming shortly. Maybe sometime towards end of 2012, but I'm guessing next HT will be the new V2 Paradox, although I would like the dampening properties of steel on a HT, heck once I get the Prime I might not well even ride a HT again except on ultra smooth XC trails
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    I think Diamondback has an AM 29er hardtail too. I remember it getting a buzz during Interbike.

    Edit: here's a link: Diamondback Creates Dixon 140mm 29er Freeride Hardtail Because Someone Had To, Plus New Road and MTBs - Bike Rumor

    Edit2: pretty sure they have to change the model name from Dixon to something else, probably since Devinci has that name.
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    So, three weeks now, and haven't had a chance to weigh it yet, huh?

    I rode this bike a bit not too long ago, briefly. Felt really stable but heavy. I didn't weigh it, but it was parked next to a FS DH 26" wheel bike, so I picked 'em both up to compare. I will say that in its stock form, it is not a light bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Wow, really, they have a 1/2 degree slacker HA than most of the frames listed here and they "had" to do it Seems the marketing geniuses are truly on a roll this year

    So digging the Honzo, think Kona did an excellent job, good price point, but hard for me to honestly want one when I've got the Paradox and Prime coming shortly. Maybe sometime towards end of 2012, but I'm guessing next HT will be the new V2 Paradox, although I would like the dampening properties of steel on a HT, heck once I get the Prime I might not well even ride a HT again except on ultra smooth XC trails
    Cool story bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el_chupo_ View Post
    Cool story bro.
    well put
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    Mongo like Honzo! (Every thread needs a Blazing Saddles reference!)

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    $800 or $700 the Paradox v2 is still pricey.

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    With the Kenda Karma's on front and rear...

    Heavier than I expected, but it feels awfully nimble and I am still happy with the bike.

    Might lose some weight when the WB Loops become more readily available, because I'd really like to try one out.

    Also, I'd like to get another weight with a different scale...this is a fish scale that my father used, so I'm not sure it's correct. He first said 25.2, then said it was as pictured and he tried it several times so he's confident that it is 28#'s. So, it probably is accurate and I'm just in denial.
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    I would have guessed in the 26.5-27lb range. I know my fish scale is off, but I am too cheap for a feedback sports or Park version...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Wow, really, they have a 1/2 degree slacker HA than most of the frames listed here and they "had" to do it Seems the marketing geniuses are truly on a roll this year

    So digging the Honzo, think Kona did an excellent job, good price point, but hard for me to honestly want one when I've got the Paradox and Prime coming shortly. Maybe sometime towards end of 2012, but I'm guessing next HT will be the new V2 Paradox, although I would like the dampening properties of steel on a HT, heck once I get the Prime I might not well even ride a HT again except on ultra smooth XC trails

    Epic Advice!!!!!!! Why does the market even need a steel AM hardtail in sizes for everyone at an awesome price when Barbados has plenty of aluminum ones?

    I have no business discussing this frame online, because I have actually ridden one.

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    really 28lbs... where is the weight coming from? i was expecting a build like that to be closer to 25lbs...
    whats the weight of the frame?

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    I wonder if the fork weighs a lot more than the one included on the build. Anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    I wonder if the fork weighs a lot more than the one included on the build. Anyone know?
    The Marz is approx 150grams heavier, so 1/3 of a lb.
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    I guess none of you saw the complete bike claimed weight here?

    Personally I would like to see actual CS length with the dropouts slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    I guess none of you saw the complete bike claimed weight here?

    Personally I would like to see actual CS length with the dropouts slammed.

    Sure, seen it. But those that have the actual bikes, as well as Cnewell (a Kona employee) have chimed in with actual weights. The are definitely better than what that Pinkbike article lists, but still heavier than I wanted to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    I guess none of you saw the complete bike claimed weight here?

    Personally I would like to see actual CS length with the dropouts slammed.
    I measured mine (20" frame) at the claimed 16.3"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdbronco View Post
    i measured mine (20" frame) at the claimed 16.3"
    pics??
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    Deserved and noted

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    Cool story bro.
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    So, enlighten us and gives us some pics and honest feedback I for one want to read any honest feedback someone who has been lucky enough to ride one has to give.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dickt3030 View Post
    pics??

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    I own a Honzo and did 2 rides on it so far. I swapped some parts from the stock build with:
    xt pedals, Easton carbon bar, gobi saddle, rock shock reverb, schwalbe nobby nic tires, rear skewer.

    I have ridden a lot of different bikes in the past from xc to full on dh. At the moment I have a pivot Mach 429 and an independent ti deluxe to compare to in the 29er department.

    The kona is a bit heavy out of the box. Especially the wheels feel heavy. i am not a weight weenie but you will not win xc races on this bike. Despite it's weight it feels quick. Lifting the front for manual goes easy. Cornering is a blast. After the first ride I needed a dropper style seat post to get the most fun out of it. With the shorter stays it feels a little more harsh over roots and bumps than the IF with the longer stays. I need more rides to give it a good review. The frame is looking really good and the RS revelation feels plusher than my current fox fork with fit damper. I think kona designed a nice bike.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy66 View Post
    The kona is a bit heavy out of the box. Especially the wheels feel heavy. i am not a weight weenie but you will not win xc races on this bike. Cheers.
    That's an understatement. I weighed the stock wheelset/tires on my super accurate bathroom scale and it came in right around 12lbs with cassette, tires, tubes, etc.

    I just received my stans laced to dt swiss 240s hubs. Mounted kenda slant 6 in front and kenda small block 8 in back tubeless. With stock cassette this set came in at 7.8lbs. So give or take with scale accuracy the weight was significantly trimmed +/- several pounds. I picked up a used xt 11 34 cassette which will shave more weight.

    I also have a Chris King inset 7 headset on order... which has been delayed another 3 weeks. So I said screw it and am starting to build it up with the stock headset. I hope to have it all finished and dialed in this weekend.

    I will post details when complete but wanted to chime in on the wheel weight.

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    I should add wheels were also weighed with rotors. Stock rotors on the stock wheels and 180mm hs1 avid rotors on the custom wheels.

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    Ok here is my almost finished build. King headset is back ordered and my cassette hasn't arrived yet but you get the gist...













    No I haven't weighed the bike yet. If anyone wants to donate $50 for a scale that I'd use maybe twice in my life feel free

    Kind of wet this weekend. Hope to have it on the trails first part of next week.

    I'll size that front brake line some other day.
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    What chain guide are you running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by playdead View Post
    What chain guide are you running?
    It is the e13 ls1 that came with the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbjeff View Post
    It is the e13 ls1 that came with the bike.
    Nice. I just got one for my bike. So far I like mine. It's a little louder than I expected, but it works great. My chain doesn't make a noise!
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    I like it. It is fast and nimble and love to carve corners!
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    frame weight for 18in was 5.13lbs
    a little hard to read
    actual build coming soon... need to find a head set since i am only running a non tapered fork.

    <a href="https://s420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/?action=view&amp;current=5a83ad17.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/5a83ad17.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17 View Post
    frame weight for 18in was 5.13lbs
    a little hard to read
    actual build coming soon... need to find a head set since i am only running a non tapered fork.

    <a href="https://s420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/?action=view&amp;current=5a83ad17.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp282/darkfrost17/5a83ad17.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
    Is that 5.13lbs. or 5lbs. 13 oz?

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    Can anyone comment on how these climb? especially for someone over 6'2"

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    You are correct 5lbs 13oz my mistake.
    I thought it felt heavy.

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    Hi, I cant find any online shop selling this frameset. Anyone see it online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Hi, I cant find any online shop selling this frameset. Anyone see it online?
    I've not had any luck online and my local dealer can't get hold of a frame until March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awh311 View Post
    Can anyone comment on how these climb? especially for someone over 6'2"
    I am 6'2" and I think that it climbs great! I feel like it is right on the tipping point of the front end coming up, but it doen't come up unless I pull up on it to get over roots/rocks. Very easy to clear the front wheel over stuff. Climbing gravel roads is great as well, coming off a full suspension bike I appreciate the 'instant' power from the hard tail when I stand up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Hi, I cant find any online shop selling this frameset. Anyone see it online?
    Try Bikeman.com

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    bikeman had a few... i got lucky with my dealer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Try Bikeman.com
    Will do.

    I'm a bit lost on what headset I need for the Honzo when using a fork with a tapered steerer. Would this one work? 2011 Cane Creek 40-Series 44 Tapered Headset - Competitive Cyclist

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Yep, external bottom- inset top, for tapered forks.
    That's a great option for a headset. Don't even bother looking for the Chris King version. I put in an order in mid October and they won't have any at King until the 24th (date already pushed back once).

    To get a 20 inch frame I ended up buying one of the last remaining fully built bikes I could find. The stock components kind of suck but they'll go right back on the bike if I ever sell it so in my mind it wasn't that much wasted. I really didn't want to wait until March to ride this bike.

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    Just finished it tonight. Weighed in just under 28lbs. (27lbs. 13 oz.). Felt awesome in the front yard, stiff, agile, and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    ^ Nice build. Is that a Talas or black Float? If the latter, where did you find it?
    It's a black float. I bought from The Path bike shop in Tustin, CA. I was surprised they had black since the Fox's website says it only comes in white. They said it's because they sell Santa Cruz bikes and fox makes black ones for them. It was $750.

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    ^ Nice build. Where did you buy that black F29 Float? DO WANT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post

    is it me or is the clearance already tight with a low knob 2.0 tire?

    A bit disappointing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
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    thanks MMcG, saw it there.
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    Sweeet - very nice build.
    I would build my bike exactly same specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    is it me or is the clearance already tight with a low knob 2.0 tire?

    A bit disappointing...
    There are a few pics on MTBR and elsewhere showing the Honzo with 2.25 tires, and plenty of clearance but I would like to see some pics or hear some feedback from those running 2.4 ardents or 2.35 Bontrager FR3. I'm really interested if these large volume tires fit with the stays slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    is it me or is the clearance already tight with a low knob 2.0 tire?

    A bit disappointing...
    That looks like plenty of clearance to me. Remember, when looking at that photo, that you are seeing the side of the tire below where it passes through the chainstays as well as at that point. It's not a very clear photo with regards to an estimation of clearance.

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    I just held my 2.4 ardent in place in the rear. It is mounted to my front wheel still but my very unscientific approach has led me to believe that the 2.4 will probably rub if you have it mounted in the rear. +/- some rubbing factor.

    The bike ships stock with 2.4 up front and 2.25 in the rear probably for good reason.

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    Here are some detailed pics of the two rear wheels I have.

    2.1 small block 8





    2.25 ardent





    If I get ambitious I may swap the 2.4 to the rear wheel later today just to really prove my previous estimation.

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    sweeeet honzo!

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    color is almost spot on with the spokes and the frame .spokes are just glossy
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    Nice- the honzo looks great.
    Is anyone riding a smaller version (smaller than 18).

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    You guys posting pics showing tyre clearance, that's with the sliders slammed all the way? Have to say, doesn't impress me one bit what you're showing, barely enough room for those skinny little tyres to move, let alone encounter some mud and small gravel to get stuck in the tread. You want clearance look at the KM stays slammed, you can still fit a 2.55 WW LT with loads of room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You guys posting pics showing tyre clearance, that's with the sliders slammed all the way? Have to say, doesn't impress me one bit what you're showing, barely enough room for those skinny little tyres to move, let alone encounter some mud and small gravel to get stuck in the tread.
    Since when is a 2.25 Ardent a "skinny little tyre"?
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You want clearance look at the KM stays slammed, you can still fit a 2.55 WW LT with loads of room.
    lol
    It's a little easier to accomplish with an extra 0.7" of CS length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You guys posting pics showing tyre clearance, that's with the sliders slammed all the way? Have to say, doesn't impress me one bit what you're showing, barely enough room for those skinny little tyres to move, let alone encounter some mud and small gravel to get stuck in the tread. You want clearance look at the KM stays slammed, you can still fit a 2.55 WW LT with loads of room.
    In my pics above with the 2.1 small block 8 and the 2.25 ardent the sliders are slammed all the way forward.

    I don't think moving the sliders back is going to help with 2.4 tire clearance as side clearance becomes an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You guys posting pics showing tyre clearance, that's with the sliders slammed all the way? Have to say, doesn't impress me one bit what you're showing, barely enough room for those skinny little tyres to move, let alone encounter some mud and small gravel to get stuck in the tread. You want clearance look at the KM stays slammed, you can still fit a 2.55 WW LT with loads of room.
    KM? Karate Monkey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbjeff View Post
    That's a great option for a headset. Don't even bother looking for the Chris King version. I put in an order in mid October and they won't have any at King until the 24th (date already pushed back once).

    To get a 20 inch frame I ended up buying one of the last remaining fully built bikes I could find. The stock components kind of suck but they'll go right back on the bike if I ever sell it so in my mind it wasn't that much wasted. I really didn't want to wait until March to ride this bike.
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    Sorry I should have been more specific. I was looking for black. Thanks for the heads up though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You guys posting pics showing tyre clearance, that's with the sliders slammed all the way? Have to say, doesn't impress me one bit what you're showing, barely enough room for those skinny little tyres to move, let alone encounter some mud and small gravel to get stuck in the tread. You want clearance look at the KM stays slammed, you can still fit a 2.55 WW LT with loads of room.
    still looks like more clearance than the Paradox we both ride
    "Bound to cover just a little more ground"

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    Is Honzo limited to 120mm fork? Their website didn't specify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17 View Post
    color is almost spot on with the spokes and the frame .spokes are just glossy
    oh my!
    that is SICK!!
    Ti spokes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Is Honzo limited to 120mm fork? Their website didn't specify.
    no.
    what would limit it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbjeff View Post
    Here are some detailed pics of the two rear wheels I have.



    If I get ambitious I may swap the 2.4 to the rear wheel later today just to really prove my previous estimation.
    Thanks for the pics. I hope you do get ambitious because I'd really like to see a 2.4 mounted with the stays slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    no.
    what would limit it?
    Design features. So running a 140mm fork is not a problem? Would warranty be void?
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    May not be a skinny little tyre to most, but to me if your blowing the trumpet about great tyre clearance show me a 2.4" Ardent, 2.4" Purgatory, 2.55" WW LT, 2.5" Dissent, not a tyre that measures 2.125" when run at real trail pressures.
    As to the CS length, all those who are honest and those who own know they measure horizontally to get that length, measure actual center of rear axle to center of BB and get back to me - not much difference when you measure both the same. Either way, doesn't matter if you get your stays to 16" flat if there's not enough proper clearance around a decent tyre on a HT/rigid frame. Also, a lot easier to get shorter stays when you don't include the possibility of running more than 1 ring and an FD.
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Since when is a 2.25 Ardent a "skinny little tyre"?

    lol
    It's a little easier to accomplish with an extra 0.7" of CS length.
    Exactly, so despite all the hype, there really isn't room for a 2.4" tyre and clearance for any mud, not the minimum I want and call clearance and YES I know you good 'mericans don't ride on the trails when they're wet/muddy so what does it matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by mbjeff View Post
    In my pics above with the 2.1 small block 8 and the 2.25 ardent the sliders are slammed all the way forward.

    I don't think moving the sliders back is going to help with 2.4 tire clearance as side clearance becomes an issue.
    Yes, as in Karate Monkey. As to more clearance than the current Paradox, maybe a smidge more, but not what the "choir" is trying to preach. FYI I attached a pic of a 2.35" Rampage in my Paradox on a Flow rim, clearance looks as good as the pic with the 2.25" Ardent. Also included a pic with a Michelin XC A/T 2.0" tyre which on the Flow measured 2.125", same as the Ardent, but not quite as tall - looks like similar clearance to me here again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by playdead View Post
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    still looks like more clearance than the Paradox we both ride
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    clean and really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    oh my!
    that is SICK!!
    Ti spokes?
    nope not ti

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    i will try to get a shot with the purgatory 2.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Design features.
    Such as... ?
    Being cryptic about your line of thinking is definitely helpful.
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    So running a 140mm fork is not a problem?
    Not at all.
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    Would warranty be void?
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Such as... ?
    Being cryptic about your line of thinking is definitely helpful.

    Not at all.

    No.
    thanks, it's just that Kona's website didn't indicate if running a longer fork than 120mm was qualified. I was interested in Salsa's Spearfish, but Salsa was very clear in their website that it was only qualified with a 100mm fork.
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    For those with the stock Revelation 29er fork and wishing to try 140mm, I'm pretty sure you can take out the All-Travel spacers and up the travel to 130 or 140, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17 View Post
    color is almost spot on with the spokes and the frame .spokes are just glossy
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    Nice. Any pics of the complete build?

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    Yeah I was just waiting for my front wheel. Pictures coming soon. All of my parts aren't here yet.
    But my first dirt ride on it today was pretty amazing compared to my previous builds.

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    Yes, more pics please!

    Have onyone tried Honzo with rigid fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Design features. So running a 140mm fork is not a problem? Would warranty be void?
    Regardless of warranty it would have a negative impact on handling.

    120mm (Fox 32 / RockShox 32) feels really good.

    Fox 34mm I dropped to 110mm and that is PERFECT.

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    Sweet fender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewM View Post
    Regardless of warranty it would have a negative impact on handling.

    120mm (Fox 32 / RockShox 32) feels really good.

    Fox 34mm I dropped to 110mm and that is PERFECT.

    Here's mine:

    Nice. What size racing ralph are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Sweet fender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    Nice. What size racing ralph are you running?
    It's the new 2012 2.25.

    I think I can "feel" it rolls slower then previous, but it definitely has better straight line braking traction / climbing traction.

    I eat the weight penalty and run the snake skin option front and rear (tubeless). I had a really bad experience with a slashed front sidewall/downhill rock garden using the EVO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    May not be a skinny little tyre to most, but to me if your blowing the trumpet about great tyre clearance show me a 2.4" Ardent, 2.4" Purgatory, 2.55" WW LT, 2.5" Dissent, not a tyre that measures 2.125" when run at real trail pressures.
    As to the CS length, all those who are honest and those who own know they measure horizontally to get that length, measure actual center of rear axle to center of BB and get back to me - not much difference when you measure both the same. Either way, doesn't matter if you get your stays to 16" flat if there's not enough proper clearance around a decent tyre on a HT/rigid frame. Also, a lot easier to get shorter stays when you don't include the possibility of running more than 1 ring and an FD.


    Exactly, so despite all the hype, there really isn't room for a 2.4" tyre and clearance for any mud, not the minimum I want and call clearance and YES I know you good 'mericans don't ride on the trails when they're wet/muddy so what does it matter.


    Yes, as in Karate Monkey. As to more clearance than the current Paradox, maybe a smidge more, but not what the "choir" is trying to preach. FYI I attached a pic of a 2.35" Rampage in my Paradox on a Flow rim, clearance looks as good as the pic with the 2.25" Ardent. Also included a pic with a Michelin XC A/T 2.0" tyre which on the Flow measured 2.125", same as the Ardent, but not quite as tall - looks like similar clearance to me here again.
    It's nice to have someone finally know how to take pictures of how much tire clearance they have. I'd have to say... I'm impressed you can run 2.35's. I haven't tried it on my paradox. I ran 2.3 for a little bit, but thought it was tight in the mud.
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    Thanks, I try.

    I don't actually run Rampages in the rear, that was just for someone who wanted to see what clearance was like - I'm kind like that No I actually stick to 55mm width tyres as I too have to deal with mud lots of the time, for a lot of the year. I'd run the Rampage out back if it were totally dry, or wet but only rocks and roots or super sloppy mud that doesn't stick, other than that I'm digging on my CST Ousters right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by playdead View Post
    It's nice to have someone finally know how to take pictures of how much tire clearance they have. I'd have to say... I'm impressed you can run 2.35's. I haven't tried it on my paradox. I ran 2.3 for a little bit, but thought it was tight in the mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    May not be a skinny little tyre to most, but to me if your blowing the trumpet about great tyre clearance show me a 2.4" Ardent, 2.4" Purgatory, 2.55" WW LT, 2.5" Dissent, not a tyre that measures 2.125" when run at real trail pressures.
    Who's blowing trumpets and hyping this bike as something that's perfect for you?
    Dramatize much?
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    As to the CS length, all those who are honest and those who own know they measure horizontally to get that length, measure actual center of rear axle to center of BB and get back to me - not much difference when you measure both the same.
    WTF?
    1) I'm pretty sure you don't know how Kona measures CS length because you're wrong.
    2) I guess you missed the photo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Either way, doesn't matter if you get your stays to 16" flat if there's not enough proper clearance around a decent tyre on a HT/rigid frame. Also, a lot easier to get shorter stays when you don't include the possibility of running more than 1 ring and an FD.


    Exactly, so despite all the hype, there really isn't room for a 2.4" tyre and clearance for any mud, not the minimum I want and call clearance and YES I know you good 'mericans don't ride on the trails when they're wet/muddy so what does it matter.


    Yes, as in Karate Monkey. As to more clearance than the current Paradox, maybe a smidge more, but not what the "choir" is trying to preach. FYI I attached a pic of a 2.35" Rampage in my Paradox on a Flow rim, clearance looks as good as the pic with the 2.25" Ardent. Also included a pic with a Michelin XC A/T 2.0" tyre which on the Flow measured 2.125", same as the Ardent, but not quite as tall - looks like similar clearance to me here again.
    What exactly is your point? It sounds like you're trying to mythbust the Kona frame with no actual myths to bust.
    From the look of it the Honzo has more clearance than your frame. Easy enough to measure inside clearance. 2.75" on the Honzo. And your Paradox?
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    Hi meltingfeather,
    could you ask someone at Kona to update their Honzo website, to include a statement that running 140mm fork is qualified(even if it has negative impact, as stated by DrewM) and warranty will not be voided, thanks. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate that kind of statement coming from Kona directly.

    cheers.
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    I never said perfect for me, but yes blowing trumpets for big tyre clearance with slammed short stays, which as of now I have not seen and the one honest owner said he tried a 2.4" Ardent although mounted to his front wheel and it would rub set forward in the slammed position.

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Who's blowing trumpets and hyping this bike as something that's perfect for you?
    Dramatize much?
    Quote Originally Posted by mbjeff View Post
    I just held my 2.4 ardent in place in the rear. It is mounted to my front wheel still but my very unscientific approach has led me to believe that the 2.4 will probably rub if you have it mounted in the rear. +/- some rubbing factor.

    The bike ships stock with 2.4 up front and 2.25 in the rear probably for good reason. specified post #84
    Which one do you mean, the close up of the tape measure, properly lit showing 16.3" or the fuzzy, crap lit one showing the measurement being taken? Why is it, that like the Yeti/Sasquatch photos, all these "claim" photos are taken in poor light so you can't properly see what's happening and then the "close up" shot showing the measurement on the tape is superbly lit?
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    WTF?
    1) I'm pretty sure you don't know how Kona measures CS length because you're wrong.
    2) I guess you missed the photo?
    3) honest? That's funny
    You mean the pic that shows clearance back in the stays, away from where it actually counts? Cause for me it's in where the curve starts, where the tyre knobs would actually be inline with, that's the important measurement. So you can see how easy it is to take clear, well lit pics I've attached 2 to show the chainstay length and inside measurement on the Paradox. As someone who's always "scientific I'd think you'd appreciate producing clear, sharp and well lit pics to show "evidence" FYI, it looks Paradox measures 2.96" (2 31/32"), in that point and as advertised 16.9" stays.

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    What exactly is your point? It sounds like you're trying to mythbust the Kona frame with no actual myths to bust.
    From the look of it the Honzo has more clearance than your frame. Easy enough to measure inside clearance. 2.75" on the Honzo. And your Paradox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I never said perfect for me, but yes blowing trumpets for big tyre clearance with slammed short stays, which as of now I have not seen and the one honest owner said he tried a 2.4" Ardent although mounted to his front wheel and it would rub set forward in the slammed position.
    Once again... where are these trumpets being blown?
    Did I miss something?!? I've been watching this frame and the Nimble with interest and didn't hear any trumpets about clearing a 2.4" w/16.3" stays.
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Which [blah blah blah] stays.
    I get where you're coming from now... and I don't think continuing will be helpful.
    The 3" of clearance in your Paradox is pretty impressive.
    With 16.9" stays it must be a bear in the "tight n twisties."
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarPigs View Post
    Hi meltingfeather,
    could you ask someone at Kona to update their Honzo website, to include a statement that running 140mm fork is qualified(even if it has negative impact, as stated by DrewM) and warranty will not be voided, thanks. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate that kind of statement coming from Kona directly.

    cheers.
    Does your mom still wipe your coolie?!?

    If you're worried about it, call Kona yourself... like a big boy.

    Another thing you could do is read and understand the warranty language.

    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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