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    Who would build your custom Ti dreambike?

    So I currently have a OS Blackbuck SS, fully rigid with the fork that came with them. I love it, the geometry is perfect for me. My thoughts are to have a titanium version built with swinger drop outs instead of the EBB. I absolutely adore this bike more than any bike I have ever owned. But for years I've been dreaming of having a custom Ti frame built that would be mine forever, and the only thing I could think of that might make the Blackbuck better would be if it weighed a couple pounds less and was titanium. And now that I have a geometry that is ideal for me I want to hopefully pull the trigger within the next year. So the question is what frame builder would you pick for this undertaking? If I had to pick right now from what I know I would probably have to go with Blacksheep, his bikes are magnificent looking and get tremendous reviews. But let's hear what everyone else thinks.
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    Steve Potts. Nobody knows titanium like he does.

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    Brendan @ Siren... He's tooling up to start building Ti bikes and if they are as good as his other offerings it'll be super sweet...
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    I already have a few great ti bikes, but if I were to get one now, I'd go with Vertigo Cycles. Sean, the builder/owner, knows how to build a sweet ti frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdog
    So I currently have a OS Blackbuck SS, fully rigid with the fork that came with them. I love it, the geometry is perfect for me. My thoughts are to have a titanium version built with swinger drop outs instead of the EBB. I absolutely adore this bike more than any bike I have ever owned. But for years I've been dreaming of having a custom Ti frame built that would be mine forever, and the only thing I could think of that might make the Blackbuck better would be if it weighed a couple pounds less and was titanium. And now that I have a geometry that is ideal for me I want to hopefully pull the trigger within the next year. So the question is what frame builder would you pick for this undertaking? If I had to pick right now from what I know I would probably have to go with Blacksheep, his bikes are magnificent looking and get tremendous reviews. But let's hear what everyone else thinks.
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    I mean, we're dreaming here, right? In my dream, I'm a master Ti welder, bike designer, and artiste.... and my mistress is Natalie Portman, and the wife approves cause... you know.. its Natalie Portman... oh, and Nat is a world class rider as well... as is my wife, and we spend all of our time doing epics all over the world... and did I mention they were both bi with each other too?

    ... as long as we're dreaming here.

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    Solid and reliable, he gives you a schedule of when each of the steps will be done and emails pics along the process (here are your tubes, here are your tubes all cut and mitered here are your tubes starting to look like part of a bike... here is your bike on the date we agreed to... enjoy!)

    None of the flaky... "Yeah, sorry I never returned your emails/calls, but I need a couple more weeks..." Two weeks later; repeat previous statement ... lather rise repeat, over and over...

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    Strong, love the two that I ride everyday but 650B not 29.

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    Here's an idea: 953 stainless through Igleheart. 853 through Waltworks. Titanium through Dean, Mosaic, Blacksheep, Desalvo, Kish, Independent Fabrication, Jeff Jones, Lynskey, Salsa, Ragley, On One, and the list goes on...(there's a number of posts within the past couple years regarding this very topic and also see the MTBR search on "NAHBS"). Good luck, now is a better time than ever to pick up a titanium bike. They're going for $1,200 and up. And you don't necessarily need to go custom, you can just get a ti bike off shelf stock size. Your blackbuck is a perfect example and like you said, it's perfect (but not really if you still have an itch - I totally understand!)
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    their is a pretty long list of who I wouldn't chose, but that would be mean. Some people on that list have been named as 'dream builders'

    From hear on out If I didn't build it I'm not riding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    ....And you don't necessarily need to go custom, you can just get a ti bike off shelf stock size. Your blackbuck is a perfect example and like you said, it's perfect (but not really if you still have an itch - I totally understand!)
    Well I have not seen a Ti frame, or infact any production frame with the same geometry as the OS Bikes Blackbuck!

    Like the OP I love the fit, the geometry but would like to save a couple of pounds and have it in Ti. What I ended up doing was sticking with the BB frame, buying a frame bag from Eric at Epic / Revelate and signing up for the Tour Divide with the frame $$$$

    I *may* look at getting a track-end, V-brake steel frame and forks built at some point as a homage to original singlespeeding by Paul at Rock Lobster and that will use BB geometry.

    But if I had to choose Ti it would be Steve Potts. I have seen too many other Ti frames fail and was discussing this yesterday with friends on a ride and only one brand had not had a failure with in our group!

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    Because you've listened to the sales blurb believed it all and actually think it'll make for a better bike, in reality it'll just impress your mates.

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    Looks like you've got a pretty good list of builders, my suggestion is to get on the phone and start calling these guys. There will be one of these guys that after talking to him it will just click, and that will be your builder for your dream bike. Really don't matter what name is on the down tube, what matters is that the process and finished product meets your needs.

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    I have a barely used 2009.5 Lynskey Pro 29er frame size medium (Helix down tube) hand brushed and etched with a 23.5 TT I would sell for $1,075 (includes shipping). Email me if you are interested.

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    James at Blacksheep is going to build my dream bike

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    If you want to replicate the look of the OS, you must commission a builder with a hefty ton press machine. There are not that many of them. For instance, Kish, which I love dearly, would not manipulate tubes. In fact, not many builders would. Black sheep, of course, comes in mind for such job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber999
    If you want to replicate the look of the OS, you must commission a builder with a hefty ton press machine. There are not that many of them. For instance, Kish, which I love dearly, would not manipulate tubes. In fact, not many builders would. Black sheep, of course, comes in mind for such job.
    That was a concern I had. I would like to replicate the look, but I'm not sure if the curved tubes would effect Ti differently than steel. I know Blacksheep does the curved tubes, but I don't think his are curved nearly as much as the seat stays on my BlackBuck. I also definitely want a Ti fork to go along with the frame as well. Thanks for all the info so far and keep um coming.

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    but I'm not sure if the curved tubes would effect Ti differently than steel. I know Blacksheep does the curved tubes, but I don't think his are curved nearly as much as the seat stays on my BlackBuck. I also definitely want a Ti fork to go along with the frame as well. Thanks for all the info so far and keep um coming.
    Well, in general Ti will feel different than steel (IMO, better). James can offer you different types of tubes to achieve the riding characteristics you are after. In terms the radius, he can offer to you the same curvature as on your stays. James does everything custom, so don't infer from the images of his bikes that there are any limits.

    Finally, James would build you the best Ti fork. Period. I have three of his forks; they are simply incredible. I had a few steel and carbon forks and the BS Ti put them to shame.

    Give him a call; it doesn't cost any money.
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    Rody of Groovy fame. His work is beautiful, his bikes ride exceptionally well and I would be buying from a local builder since his shop is an hour from my house.

    Or MC. He bought his first mtn bike from the shop I worked in in Atlanta back in the early 90s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Or MC. He bought his first mtn bike from the shop I worked in in Atlanta back in the early 90s.
    Matt won't do disc brakes or curved tubes AFAIK...happy to be proved wrong He does a lovely job of the ones he does do...my Utilitiman was amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlespeedpunk
    Matt won't do disc brakes or curved tubes AFAIK...happy to be proved wrong He does a lovely job of the ones he does do...my Utilitiman was amazing!

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    There is also a 20 months wait period...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Rody of Groovy fame. His work is beautiful, his bikes ride exceptionally well and I would be buying from a local builder since his shop is an hour from my house.

    Or MC. He bought his first mtn bike from the shop I worked in in Atlanta back in the early 90s.
    Rody makes ti frames?
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    Easy choice- Scott Quiring. Beautiful work, plus a great racer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coba
    I have a barely used 2009.5 Lynskey Pro 29er frame size medium (Helix down tube) hand brushed and etched with a 23.5 TT I would sell for $1,075 (includes shipping). Email me if you are interested.

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    I'd have Carl Strong, Kent Eriksen, or Mike DeSalvo build mine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    Rody makes ti frames?
    Yep. He has a road bike build up on his blog right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlespeedpunk
    Matt won't do disc brakes or curved tubes AFAIK...happy to be proved wrong He does a lovely job of the ones he does do...my Utilitiman was amazing!

    SSP
    No worries there. I see the point of getting a MC being based on the philosophy of MC.

    As to the wait, well, I think he is finally rolling along now and working on catching up on his backlog. Besides, we're talking dreambike, right?
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    another Kent Eriksen for sure.
    every one needs a ti single speed and geared bike!

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    Funk. My Ti dream bike is FS and I love the idea of the LaRuta.
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    No experience at all with them but Crisp Titanium make really good looking bikes.

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    My Ti dream bike was built by James at Black Sheep.

    Initially, it was mostly that his bikes looked like pure titanium sex. But since I've had mine, I've really come to appreciate how well the frame works, The curved tubes (I find) seem to make a HUGE difference relative to the standard straight-tubed double-triangle in that whole vertical compliance/lateral stiffness thing, such that I find my Black Sheep infinitely more comfortable than my friends' Ti bikes (mostly Quirings), or even my FS 29er (Titus Racer-X).
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    Quote Originally Posted by panhndl
    James at Blacksheep is going to build my dream bike
    Same here, and I could ride over to his garage and watch him work on it, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn D.
    Same here, and I could ride over to his garage and watch him work on it, too.
    <- jealous.

    Let the market decide!

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    You can't consider a Ti bike without taking a look at Moots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slammer107
    You can't consider a Ti bike without taking a look at Moots.
    Moots would hardly deign to customize anything for you.
    They barely do curve tubes.
    They are expansive for what they offer and...well...so 90is...
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    Wade at Vulture Cycles or Chris at Generic Cycles, have a bike from both, and they are specatcular!

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    climber999, I've owned two Moots. They do accept custom geometry on orders from your LBS. Just saw one fitting at the LBS a couple months ago for the very thing. Nothing, and I mean nothing, holds its value like a titanium Moots frame. It's almost gold.
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    This thread needs more photos.

    This is my dream bike. It isn't a 29er, so we'll just focus on the Ti part:







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    Lynskey or Erikson would be my vote. Between the two it would depend on what details each offered for me.

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    Erikson, Carl Strong, Form Cycles, Lynskey and Desalvo would be my picks.
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Titanium Welds by Dean Titanium Bicycles

    @251: Touche! Below are the welds at the headtube, top tube, downtube gusset area of a Dean Colonel 29er SS. That is a copper Dean badge with weathered patina: total class.

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    Off the topic, yet; check out how Kish finishes his welding.
    I have never seen anything like that (and I have a few Ti bikes)
    In real life they are even more amazing.

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    This is interesting. So it seems pretty much everyone who has had a Ti bike built for them is convinced that their particular builder is the best.

    Does that possibly mean building a nice Ti frame it isn't quite the art/science that everyone is lead to believe or is it more likely that everyone is so blinded by the $2+K they dropped that they could never admit that maybe something else might be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stahr_Nut
    This is interesting. So it seems pretty much everyone who has had a Ti bike built for them is convinced that their particular builder is the best.

    Does that possibly mean building a nice Ti frame it isn't quite the art/science that everyone is lead to believe or is it more likely that everyone is so blinded by the $2+K they dropped that they could never admit that maybe something else might be better?
    Or it could mean that there really is no "one true answer", in that any number of talented builders can make the OP a really nice Ti bike. I prefer Black Sheep, but I doubt an Ericksen or DeSalvo or Moots would straight-up suck. It is at least as much about the communication and relationship between rider and builder as it is about pretty welds (though they don't hurt).
    Let the market decide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stahr_Nut
    T or is it more likely that everyone is so blinded by the $2+K they dropped that they could never admit that maybe something else might be better?
    Do some searches for Dean service and you'll find some pissed off owners, so not always. Truth is you usually get what you pay for, so for sure top rate builders do good work.

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    ERIKSEN, from experience. Great group of people, and they don't forget thier customers once they deliver the frame. Always treated better than I deserve. I would put Steve Potts next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stahr_Nut
    ... or is it more likely that everyone is so blinded by the $2+K they dropped that they could never admit that maybe something else might be better?
    I think this occurs more than we all like to believe, I question this aspect for myself all the time.
    Having said that, my Lynskey Ridgeline was a bit more than $2K, but that included a RS Reba Team fork, Cane Creek 110 headset, and upgraded finish, so there are Ti frames out there for less than $2K.
    I love the look and ride, but time will tell if spending less that $2K for a Ti frame will come back to haunt me, I hope and expect not.
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    Also, no one lists Litespeed. So not every manufacturer is getting love.

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    Desalvo. Love my road bike that he made. When I get the cash I'll get a Ti 29er.

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    This is interesting. So it seems pretty much everyone who has had a Ti bike built for them is convinced that their particular builder is the best.
    Your conclusion is not true. It is not a matter of 'best', but preference. Do you like curved tubes? Black Sheep should be your choice. Do you prefer the builder to lead the design? Eriskon is your man. And so forth. Each of these builder has a forte and different design and welding style. Nevertheless, most of these builders (especially the one/two men shops) are extremely skillful and talented.

    Does that possibly mean building a nice Ti frame it isn't quite the art/science that everyone is lead to believe or is it more likely that everyone is so blinded by the $2+K they dropped that they could never admit that maybe something else might be better?
    That doubting statement reeks from envy...As a factual correction, there are enough Ti frames on the market to prove that spending high dollars does not guarantee complete satisfaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber999
    That doubting statement reeks from envy...
    Nah, not really. I'm a Michigan guy so I've talked with Scotty Q a number of times and came within an eyelash of pulling the string but finally decided that custom Ti isn't the way I want to go.

    Trust me I spend more than my fair share on frames. It's just that I prefer to do it in slightly smaller amounts on a more frequent basis. It's rare for me to keep a frame more than two seasons. I get more enjoyment out of being able to try new things on a more regular basis rather than dumping all my eggs into one basket.

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    Climber999: Nice! For those that wonder what the method is called, the "sex dimes" are often referred to as "double pass" welds in titanium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord
    Climber999: Nice! For those that wonder what the method is called, the "sex dimes" are often referred to as "double pass" welds in titanium.
    Thank you kindly Sir.
    Would you care to elaborate on that method? Especially what step is taken to raze the welds?

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    Carl Strong.

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    Solid and reliable, he gives you a schedule of when each of the steps will be done and emails pics along the process (here are your tubes, here are your tubes all cut and mitered here are your tubes starting to look like part of a bike... here is your bike on the date we agreed to... enjoy!)

    None of the flaky... "Yeah, sorry I never returned your emails/calls, but I need a couple more weeks..." Two weeks later; repeat previous statement ... lather rise repeat, over and over...

    I've heard nothing but fantastic things about him from a few folks who have his frames.

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    of the TI bikes I have looked at,

    Generic Bikes
    Black Sheep Bike
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    all three really nice, I think generic's"looks" the best and has about the best pricing and turn around, but it's hard to say,, there are many other "name" brands that are really good, but usually have a $$$$ tag tag to match, though the "you get what you pay for" motto is pretty much true, there is a point where you are paying even more to get very little improvement...

    I really like this frame...

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    Funk. My Ti dream bike is FS and I love the idea of the LaRuta.
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    That's a lot of spacers.

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    Not my bike, but whosever it is must be pretty tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba
    That's a lot of spacers.
    I am not sure you are correct. Are those 30mm spacers? That's not too bad.
    I think It stands out since the headset is inset, and thus the headtube's diameter is noticeably wider than the steerer.

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    Why would a custom frame need any spacers? (Ok, I used one 3mm spacer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 251
    Why would a custom frame need any spacers? (Ok, I used one 3mm spacer)
    Well, I have commissioned 3 custom frames so far. On his own initiative, every builder has incorporated 10mm or 20mm to the design. Reason being, flexibility and final fine-tuning. A different handlebar or seeking a more aggressive may necessitate a fiddling with spacers and/or stem angle.

    In fact, I have one bike with 6d (+/-) stem, which I flip when I go for long rides (increasing the drop for a racy, aerodynamic posture). I also change one spacer on that occasion.

    Also, personally I never cut down the steerer all the way, but keep 10mm to 15mm. Again, for flexibility sake.

    My spacers are either black (Cane Creek, to match my Cane Creek 110) or Ti to match my frame and/or stem, so they do not detract from the visuals of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber999
    Well, I have commissioned 3 custom frames so far...
    Fair enough. I went with the philosophy that the frame would be built to the specs I wanted and any fiddling with bar position/height would be done before the frame was designed and built.
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    Since we're dreaming...

    ...me - I'd build my dream bike.

    I'd travel to the good ole US of A, stay in some rad place like deep in the woods in Oregon, and learn how to build Ti wonderbikes from some bearded guru and get to keep the most perfect one for myself.

    Then I'd race it in the TDR and win. But that's another dream.
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    Just for fun, if I had a buy a ti bike that I didn't build it would be roughly in this order of preference

    Potts
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    Edit: I can't believe I forgot Darren Crisp. He's good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    Just for fun, if I had a buy a ti bike that I didn't build it would be roughly in this order of preference

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    Your own stuff is too sweet.

    However, for some reason your answer of Moots creeps me out. Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Your own stuff is too sweet.

    However, for some reason your answer of Moots creeps me out. Care to elaborate?
    All three names I listed are held high in my own mind for their quality control. Steve Potts does what he does better than anyone else. I speak with Butch from Moots from time to time and there's no doubt in my mind that they're probably the best small production ti frame company. It's evident from my conversations with Butch that they're paying close attention to ever detail of frame manufacture, from the material sources, to the frame component design, to weld-out and alignment. They do it right. If I were ten years younger I'd be camped out in their parking lot and begging for a job.

    Darren Crisp is just a talented, thoughtful guy who makes some sweet frames. We share secrets from time to time and I made a tool for him once. I keep missing him when he comes to the states so I hope he's planning on going to NAHBS in Austin. (hint, hint if you're reading this, Darren)
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    Define better. This can go on for sometime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    All three names I listed are held high in my own mind for their quality control.
    Thanks for taking time to elaborate.

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    Update...

    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I mean, we're dreaming here, right? In my dream, I'm a master Ti welder, bike designer, and artiste.... and my mistress is Natalie Portman, and the wife approves cause... you know.. its Natalie Portman... oh, and Nat is a world class rider as well... as is my wife, and we spend all of our time doing epics all over the world... and did I mention they were both bi with each other too?

    ... as long as we're dreaming here.
    I saw Blow again last night.

    Change that to Franke Potente.

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    I vote for Eriksen

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    I hired some local out of work talent to help model it. More pics to follow. So far IF has been a fantastic experience. Can't wait to ride it.
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    I had heard of every builder in this thread except Generic. SWEET bike! I mean, 16.5" chainstays on a 29er??? He's top on my list at this point and he's not too pricey in comparison Sick ride...

    http://www.genericcycles.com/29er.htm

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    Indy Fab. Definitely the Ti Deluxe for me. Love that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    I had heard of every builder in this thread except Generic. SWEET bike! I mean, 16.5" chainstays on a 29er??? He's top on my list at this point and he's not too pricey in comparison Sick ride...

    http://www.genericcycles.com/29er.htm
    7a, they are nice, though that thing they have posted in the pictures now kinda looks like a big truck big arse fork, ugg. think they change it every few weeks... really need to bring the other one back though,.. much "prettier" !!
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    Potts, Steve Potts.

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    potts , seven, or eriksen.

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    Another vote for Kent Eriksen. Just had him build my dream bike- custom ti with shortest headtube he has ever made.
    It is on the way now- should be building it Monday or Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    Another vote for Kent Eriksen. Just had him build my dream bike- custom ti with shortest headtube he has ever made.
    It is on the way now- should be building it Monday or Tuesday.
    gunna want picture for that frame, build, and built
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    Any of the fine artisans that have been mentioned can most certainly build a wonderful Ti dreambike. For me the important thing was to be clear on the qualities that I wanted it to have(snappy pedaling, intuitive handling, climbing and descending prowess,etc.), physical dimensions(geometry, tube lengths,bottom bracket drop,etc.),materials( specific tubing type for intended use),and lead time(I could'nt wait six plus months).
    Carl Strong and I talked and emailed for two weeks finalizing details...seven weeks after signing off on the blueprints, my beautiful steel rigid (he built me an awesome fork also) arrived! It has been three years, and I love the bike more each day. She's a keeper!
    I highly reccomend Carl Strong...Excellent quality...outstanding communicator during the proccess and genuinely good guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Matt
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    Is Sean tooling up to do Ti on a regular basis now? I know they did some Ti Option 3's years back but Ti has never been a standard offering as far as I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSH
    Is Sean tooling up to do Ti on a regular basis now? I know they did some Ti Option 3's years back but Ti has never been a standard offering as far as I know
    when i was riding with matt before he left, he kept trying to get me to buy ti. i don't know if it is a standard option but i know for a fact if you ask for it it can be done.
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    Nothing, and I mean nothing, holds its value like a titanium Moots frame. It's almost gold.
    I doubt that's true, but why would this be important to a full custom dream bike customer? How much value is such a frame to anyone it wasn't made for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat
    Another vote for Kent Eriksen. Just had him build my dream bike- custom ti with shortest headtube he has ever made.
    It is on the way now- should be building it Monday or Tuesday.
    How short on that headtube did he go? He only would go down to 10 centimeters on mine a few years back.

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    My dream bike was (is) a Moots Mooto X YBB and I got one built this spring. It's just what I thought it'd be; absolutely no complaints. That said, I have a custom steel frame from Strong and it was by far the best custom experience I've had. If I had to get another I'd probably go with Potts if for no other reason than to own a piece of true mountain bike history built by a true master. I wouldn't sneeze at a Jones (built by Jones hisself), Independent Fabrication or Seven either though.
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    Dean. Moots. Jeff Jones. Merlin. Lynskey. Steve Potts. Or an aluminum full rigid drop bar Cunningham without the seatpost clamp.
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    Lynskey - with helix tubes.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm By Helix, he means Hydroformed...

    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon
    Lynskey - with helix tubes.
    Why did you have to go there?

    More importantly, why did you go and bring it here?!?!?!

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    i own a lynskey pro29 and as well an eriksen FS.

    eriksen is clearly playing in a different league. the lynskey is nice but eriksen just stunning. craftmanshift, attitude, experience, ...

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    Why did you have to go there?

    More importantly, why did you go and bring it here?!?!?!
    Sorry. My road bike is a Lynskey. One of my mountain bikes is a FS carbon VPP weapon and when received by our troops we will win the war on terrorism. Funny thing is, people on lesser bikes still pass me. I thought speed could be bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudge
    ....Darren Crisp is just a talented, thoughtful guy who makes some sweet frames. We share secrets from time to time and I made a tool for him once. I keep missing him when he comes to the states so I hope he's planning on going to NAHBS in Austin. (hint, hint if you're reading this, Darren)
    Does anyone have an alternative email for Darren at Crisp? I tried to email to the address listed on his website ([email protected]) and received a bounceback. I can call the # listed but seeing he is in Italy I was hoping to have preliminary conversation/dialogue over email.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm More than 3-Words...3 Names...More?

    Custom Hydroformed Titanium...
    Those were my first 3-words on the subject of custom built Ti.

    There are three companies on my list, so far...
    1. Titus (Rockstar...hydroformed by Lynskey?)

    Imagine this with custom geo, shorter chainstays. black carbon rear triangle and a Carbon Lefty...

    2. Skyde (Yeti 575...shaped by XACD...would pattern after a 29er...)

    Imagine this as a Ti Tallboy (TiBoy) or Ti Pivot Mach 429 (Pivot Ti 429) w/ a Carbon Lefty...

    3. Van Nicholas (Valkyr...hydroformed by ?...would have them build a 29er...)

    Imagine this in 29er form with a Carbon Lefty...

    These are all full suspension options. Does anyone know any others (FS or HT) that hydroform or shape Ti (other than helix)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce9er
    Custom Hydroformed Titanium...
    Those were my first 3-words on the subject of custom built Ti.

    There are three companies on my list, so far...
    1. Titus (Rockstar...hydroformed by Lynskey?)

    Imagine this with custom geo, shorter chainstays. black carbon rear triangle and a Carbon Lefty...
    I thought about selling all my bikes for this if Lynskey/Titus could do custom. The potential weak link would be the rear triangle but I guess that could be strengthened by Parlee if need be.

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    is this even a question

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgeeriksenrider
    is this even a question
    Not without a question mark.

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    Probably a titanium Titus Racer X

    HT's don't work in my neck of the woods.

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    I've never welded ti before, but in my dreams, I would build it. I can weld aluminum and stainless well, so its not that much of a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwe11
    I've never welded ti before, but in my dreams, I would build it. I can weld aluminum and stainless well, so its not that much of a stretch.
    Personally I think welding Ti is the easy part of working with it. The cleaning, back purging, distortion and the super anal fit up are what seem to be a pain to me.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Custom Ti Dreambike results in:

    Independent Fabrication, Dean, Moots, just like the headbadges on my bikes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab
    Personally I think welding Ti is the easy part of working with it. The cleaning, back purging, distortion and the super anal fit up are what seem to be a pain to me.
    Well, I don't think the back purging would be any harder than back purging stainless, right? How does the weld go? Would you say its like welding steel or aluminum? You use DC + ? How many amps does it take weld compared to a similar thickness piece of steel or aluminum (if its AC)?

    What makes the distortion, fit up and cleaning more difficult? I have a hunch, but I really don't know a thing about ti. I'm thinking about buying some just for playing with it now. Trouble is, its expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwe11
    Well, I don't think the back purging would be any harder than back purging stainless, right? How does the weld go? Would you say its like welding steel or aluminum? You use DC + ? How many amps does it take weld compared to a similar thickness piece of steel or aluminum (if its AC)?

    What makes the distortion, fit up and cleaning more difficult? I have a hunch, but I really don't know a thing about ti. I'm thinking about buying some just for playing with it now. Trouble is, its expensive.
    back purging wouldn't be any harder than stainless but it's something you don't have to do with steel or Al. Ti is also much more sensitive to oxygen so you need to post purge the face of your weld for much longer than you would stainless. The closest thing I have ever welded to Ti in terms of puddle characteristics is Inconel. The melting point is a little over 3000* iirc so it will take a few more amps than stainless.

    don't know why the metal likes to pull so much but it does, even with a gap free fitup your assembly can be welded into left field in a hurry. When it comes to cleaning the stuff it's just a matter of there be very little margin for error in a weld. A weld with a little bit of contamination in it can be the difference between a lifetime of use or a couple of months.

    There is a company called Timet that has a titanium primer on there site, has all kinds of good info in it. Titanium joe is also a good source for getting surplus Ti if you want to mess around with some.

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