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    When do wheels become boat anchors?

    So, after inquiring about using the Gordo tubeless, and comparing all sorts of wheelbuild potentials, it seems that no matter what, the Gordo's are gonna be some serious boat anchors...

    or so I think.

    Hadley or King ISO Hubs Front and Rear = 500 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    Salsa Gordo 29er Rims = 1400 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    DT Swiss Competition Spokes = 175 grams (+/- 20 grams 32 or 36 hole)
    Brass Nipples = 35 grams

    Total Weight = 2110 grams (+/- 220 grams for variations)

    When does a bombproof wheel eventually become a bomb?

    I'm talking Fat Man not Little Boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    So, after inquiring about using the Gordo tubeless, and comparing all sorts of wheelbuild potentials, it seems that no matter what, the Gordo's are gonna be some serious boat anchors...

    or so I think.

    Hadley or King ISO Hubs Front and Rear = 500 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    Salsa Gordo 29er Rims = 1400 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    DT Swiss Competition Spokes = 175 grams (+/- 20 grams 32 or 36 hole)
    Brass Nipples = 35 grams

    Total Weight = 2110 grams (+/- 220 grams for variations)

    When does a bombproof wheel eventually become a bomb?

    I'm talking Fat Man not Little Boy.
    When you tie a rope to them and throw them overboard.

    Heavy, yes, but they are not meant to be race wheels. I do not really notice a huge difference on the trail.
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    "When do wheels become boat anchors?"

    When you tie a rope to them, and toss them overboard.....

    Seriously? The Gordos are beefy, and spin weight does have a big impact, but unless you want to spend $$$, I'd worry about it less I would other factors like, say, tires, as they impact ride a bunch too, and are more easily changed for a reasonable cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    unless you want to spend $$$, I'd worry about it less
    Well, that's the point, I am spending CA$H, so going the route of Gordos is a concern in regards to weight for the money. Does that mean I'm getting my money's worth?

    Strong - Light - Cheap : Pick ONE = Gordo ≠ Light ≠ Cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    Heavy, yes, but they are not meant to be race wheels. I do not really notice a huge difference on the trail.
    I agree, they're not race wheels, and will lack some performance in regards to weight, though I suspect there'll be a positive difference because of width.

    I don't race, but I also don't want some Fixianato passing me on the crawl to the trailhead either.

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    I definitely notice the heft compared to my Flow wheelset. In your case, I still think the Flow is the best compromise. They are very durable, great tubeless, and only slightly flexier than the Gordos (while being significantly lighter).
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    Good job!

    Hey, 4000th Post, Congrats?

    Hehehe...

    Yeah, I know, I know, I've been debating with myself over the Flow vs. Gordo thing. Yeah, and it seems neither of us is winning. Tubeless I can manage without, but the width yeah, that had me at, "Hello... I'm 35mm."

    Of course, the Velocity P35 may be the game changer, but I've a few potential offerings that will not wait until the P35 is here, so that's kind of my crux.

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    When the rim is over 550g, or the tire is over 750g, the wheel is officially a boat-anchor. Look it up, this fact is on the Internet...soon, you will find this post with a Google search and that makes it so. But, it is the truth...the truth will set you free...and you will buy Flows, ride tubeless, and be happy. No more inner conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canyonrat
    When the rim is over 550g, or the tire is over 750g, the wheel is officially a boat-anchor. Look it up, this fact is on the Internet...soon, you will find this post with a Google search and that makes it so. But, it is the truth...the truth will set you free...and you will buy Flows, ride tubeless, and be happy. No more inner conflict.
    Wow, so true...

    ...I thereby deem this thread as:

    The Totally Official Boat Anchor Wheelset Thread of All Eternal Infallible Internet Truth of Absolute Certainty, Salvation and Praise!

    Knowing that in a mere 10 years from now when the Silica-based lifeforms arrive and "convert" us back to riding heavy 80's chrome-plated solid-steel wheeled exercise bikes to power their "juicers" to the benefit of the Green Tsar shall we then bow and worship this thread as our new Universal Constitution of the Imperialist Republic of the Soviet Democratic People's Party of Freedom to the Nth Power.

    Hail, Skroob!

    On a related note, damn you Flows... and your svelte 28mm of tubeless .

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    I only notice my wheel weight when racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    Well, that's the point, I am spending CA$H, so going the route of Gordos is a concern in regards to weight for the money. Does that mean I'm getting my money's worth?

    Strong - Light - Cheap : Pick ONE = Gordo ≠ Light ≠ Cheap

    actually from what i have read they are strong and light for there strength to weight ratio. You get what you pay for.

    I rode 1750gr wheels for awhile and when my front wheel tried to kill me built up some 1950gr wheels and while those are stouter I do dream of a serious wheel set like gordo or KH rims for set and forget style riding.
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    She weighs all of 100lbs with rider gear, why bother with rims and tires made for Clydes? If I was her size/weight, I'd ride some 400gm road rims and some 1.9" tires, tubeless, or maybe some of those new tubular tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    I rode 1750gr wheels for awhile and when my front wheel tried to kill me
    I remember the vid of that crash .

    Gordos on a rigid SS = very nice. Maybe not ideal for zipping around the race course - but wide rubber, big volume cruising, they're perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    Well, that's the point, I am spending CA$H, so going the route of Gordos is a concern in regards to weight for the money. Does that mean I'm getting my money's worth?

    Strong - Light - Cheap : Pick ONE = Gordo ≠ Light ≠ Cheap

    You can get 630 gram 29'er rims in Rhyno lites for a good price on line, lace them to hubs of your choice, and have a wheel that holds up to most anything you can dish out to them that's borderline abusive. I've never been able to dent or ding a Rhyno lite, but the first ride on a Salsa Delgado Disc on a beginner trail dinged, bent and basically destroyed the rim this weekend on my hardtail. I'm done with Delgado's, they don't work for Clydes of my size or weight. 6' 5" 225 lbs.
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    What tires will you run? I'd think the profile of most tires would get too square on a rim that wide.

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    The tro0f? When your @ss turns to candy, and you worry more about your matching race kit, and the weight of a wheel, rather than the durability. Which is far more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw
    What tires will you run? I'd think the profile of most tires would get too square on a rim that wide.
    Oh, I like WeirWolfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo0se
    The tro0f? When your @ss turns to candy, and you worry more about your matching race kit, and the weight of a wheel, rather than the durability. Which is far more important.
    I don't have a kit, but I get you. Though at some point trying to spin a TANK wheel starts to be less fun, so I'd say durability goes out with that, as it dragging a boat anchors ashore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pursuiter
    She weighs all of 100lbs with rider gear, why bother with rims and tires made for Clydes? If I was her size/weight, I'd ride some 400gm road rims and some 1.9" tires, tubeless, or maybe some of those new tubular tires.
    Thanks but that'd be if was riding au natural with my body shaved.

    Geared up, well, that's different. Anyways, 1.9" tires just don't make me happy anymore (I have one set of Kings laced to Open Pros w/ Revolutions), and having ridden a friend's Gordo tank-buster wheelset, well, I'm convinced that 35mm is magic. Of course, laced to Kings it becomes pure sex and magic. I mean, I'm talking singlespeeding, so yeah.

    Big rubber has never been more appealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    the Flow is the best compromise.
    I agree, 100%.

    I also think it's pretty funny that Shiggy and I posted the same thing almost verbatim, within moments of eachother.....

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    Answer: Whenever they are on a bike I'm riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    Oh, I like WeirWolfs.
    And they like Gordos. Beautimous round profile.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    I don't have a kit, but I get you. Though at some point trying to spin a TANK wheel starts to be less fun, so I'd say durability goes out with that, as it dragging a boat anchors ashore.
    I am glad you saw the humor.. but seriously, people will get tired, and exhausted,
    even on the lightest stuff. I know I certainly do. I also know that when I get tired, or fatigued, I start riding sloppy, and that leads to broken stuff. I would pick something in the middle of the road, that is durable. Hike a bike, for miles, because of a failed light wheel is not fun, or cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    Thanks but that'd be if was riding au natural with my body shaved...Of course, laced to Kings it becomes pure sex and magic. I mean, I'm talking singlespeeding, so yeah...Big rubber has never been more appealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canyonrat
    When the rim is over 550g, or the tire is over 750g, the wheel is officially a boat-anchor. Look it up, this fact is on the Internet...soon, you will find this post with a Google search and that makes it so. But, it is the truth...the truth will set you free...and you will buy Flows, ride tubeless, and be happy. No more inner conflict.
    I just checked and canyonrat has declared a new meme of truth on tar intarwebz:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=the wheel is officially a boat-anchor
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    If you live in the flatlands, proceed.

    If you're 225# or so, or more, proceed.

    If you're less than 180#, run away.

    If you live anywhere with significant climbing, run away.

    For a non-wheel-killer, Gordo's on an SS make no sense to me. YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tallrid3r
    I just checked and canyonrat has declared a new meme of truth on tar intarwebz:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=the wheel is officially a boat-anchor
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    Good job!

    If you live in the flatlands, proceed.

    A: ??? There are hills where I live, and a few mountains, but this ain't Colorado.

    If you're 225# or so, or more, proceed.

    A: Nope, but, I could be just for you, ... do you like your women large?

    If you're less than 180#, run away.

    A: Damn this petite frame and svelte midsection!

    If you live anywhere with significant climbing, run away.

    A: ??? I don't know what significant is, but I'm guessing I've never experienced it.

    For a non-wheel-killer, Gordo's on an SS make no sense to me. YMMV.

    A: Yeah, I know, perhaps I'll stick it out and see how the Velocity P35 turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    A: Yeah, I know, perhaps I'll stick it out and see how the Velocity P35 turns out.
    For a rider your size, tubular MTB tires make sense. 400gm tubular rims and tubular tires are going to be the lightest setup. No pinch flats and no tubeless goo, you'll be running 20 psi. Back in the day, nothing was better than a silk tubular on a 150 mile ride:

    http://cyclocrossworld.stores.yahoo....hxlmobitu.html

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    That cyclocross tire is laughable for width, which FYI is the point I'm making.

    Tubular on the other hand is an interesting idea, but as for mass popularity in the 29er market, well, that's wishful thinking at best. I don't believe most 29er freaks have the patience to sewn on their tires, a la Mongo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    That cyclocross tire is laughable for width, which FYI is the point I'm making.

    Tubular on the other hand is an interesting idea, but as for mass popularity in the 29er market, well, that's wishful thinking at best. I don't believe most 29er freaks have the patience to sewn on their tires, a la Mongo.
    Not if, but when Geax brings out their 29er tubulars in a 2.2", or even a full 2.0" size, that will be enough. Really. The magic of the tubular ride will be released on a whole new area of the industry.

    However, based on the idiocy I see in the Wheels & Tires forum, if that many people are having trouble setting up a Stans wheelset, perhaps Geax/Vittoria should refocus their energy on the track/road/CX crowd. Both tubular and tubeless setup are remarkably easy and fast if you bother to watch someone who knows what they're doing, and do it right yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    T...I don't believe most 29er freaks have the patience to sewn on their tires....
    Ummm, actually they're glued on. Much easier to set up than the tubeless you're considering. BTW, maybe it make sense to consider your proportions when choosing a wheelset, unless you're really a 270lb hairy guy living in Mom's basement
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    When does a bombproof wheel eventually become a bomb?


    When they are my wheels, they are the bomb. Phil Wood's, White Industries 18t freewheel, Gordo's with tubes, Nevegal on front, Exiwolf on back-- they make the roadies at my lbs pee their pants a little and I've even heard someone say they look like Surly Pugsley wheels but they are oh so soft on a rigid single speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    So, after inquiring about using the Gordo tubeless, and comparing all sorts of wheelbuild potentials, it seems that no matter what, the Gordo's are gonna be some serious boat anchors...

    or so I think.

    Hadley or King ISO Hubs Front and Rear = 500 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    Salsa Gordo 29er Rims = 1400 grams (+/- 100 grams)
    DT Swiss Competition Spokes = 175 grams (+/- 20 grams 32 or 36 hole)
    Brass Nipples = 35 grams

    Total Weight = 2110 grams (+/- 220 grams for variations)

    When does a bombproof wheel eventually become a bomb?
    I have trouble noticing wheel weight and I have wheels that weigh 2200 grams and a set that weighs 1500-1600 grams. The 2200 grams are Deep Vs with DT swiss Comp and Deore hubs. Bomb proof for their purpose. Road ride and cross. Weight in the dirt is overrated to some degree. Traction and momentum seem more beneficial too me. I race with a large 2.3 front tire and the traction it provides far outweighs the weight penalty.

    Now.........should I build up that P35 in 650b. Man, so tempting. I'm tired of weight, just ride. You'll never notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalie Portman
    For a non-wheel-killer, Gordo's on an SS make no sense to me. YMMV.

    A: Yeah, I know, perhaps I'll stick it out and see how the Velocity P35 turns out.

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    How do you like the P-35? Honestly I'd think they'd be awesome. I love my Blunts and have been thinking of switching the rear over to a P-35 rim.

    I agree the extra width is awesome!! went from a stock set of Specialized wheels to the blunts and it was amazing, never thought "I'd" notice the difference, I'm no racer or anything, but those Stock rims fit inside the blunts and can be bobbled around. It's REALLY noticeable when riding sideways o sloped rocks... no where near the tire roll!! I do have an issue with my rear wheels because some of the tires widths I want to try rub the chain stay. Was thinking I could get a bit more tread on the ground with the P-35's without rubbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pursuiter
    Ummm, actually they're glued on. Much easier to set up than the tubeless you're considering. BTW, maybe it make sense to consider your proportions when choosing a wheelset, unless you're really a 270lb hairy guy living in Mom's basement
    What's the difference between "glued-on" and "sew-up" tires?

    Yeah, and though I'm not the 270lb hairy guy living in Mom's basement, I know of one, his pet name is Sasquatch, only said in hushed tones because he's really sensitive. You know, in a circus bear sort of way.

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    I feel like I'm in the same boat NP...I know I'm going with King Hubs but can't decide between the Gordo or the Flow for the Wolfhound.

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