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    wheelset/Daves SpeedDream question

    Hey all,

    I'm building up a Sultan and have a wheelset question.

    I spoke w/ Dave (speed dream) about the following wheel build:

    CK hubs-iso 20mm T/A front and rear hub w/fun bolts laced to Flows.
    I'm 6'2, 220, 65%xc/35%am, not for racing,no drops or jumps

    Dave recommended he build the wheels with 32 instead of 36 spoke (front and rear) and not the heavy guage spokes.

    I'm no expert, just doing my research, and NOT second guessing Dave, but looking for other riders opinions or experience with this setup. I figured with my weight I'd want 36hole w/ spokes and the beefier spokes.

    Dave said his recommendation will produce a more lively wheel whereas, and my way will be a very harsh ride.

    Cost is $749+$10 upcharge for 20mm T/A +$40 upcharge for Flows +$20 shipping + possible upcharge for fun bolts.

    Any thoughts... Thanks

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    I like a 36 in the rear of a HT but for a full suspension bike a 32 should be fine.

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    Dave has built quite a few wheels for me. His builds are very solid. He does like to build toward the lighter side, which is fine for me @ 165 lbs.

    If you want more and heavier spokes , he will do it, if you ask.
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    I would tend to agree with Dave's recommendation. These days, rims are so strong that a lot of the wheel's ultimate strength comes from the rim itself, and IMO, the 32/36 spoke debate has lost a bit of steam.

    To be very conservative, you could go with your preferred 36 build in back, and his 32 in the front.

    I would also cross shop Mike Curiak at LaceMine29.com. He will have an opinion on how burly you have to go, and in two builds for me he hasn't stubbed his toes yet!
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    its a good idea to double check with those on the 29er board before trusting a true expert in their field

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    Heh...Fo...just back from a night ride and that was good for a solid chuckle before getting some sleep...true.

    Hooks...I have two Dave Thomas wheelsets and sold off a third because it was rim-brake 26er a few years back...the dude really knows what he is doing. It was funny to see the guys at my LBS checking out the spoke choices and lacing pattern when I ran my new frame through recently with wheels on to have the fork steerer cut. He just does things that you don't find anywhere else. Listen what the man says. And...riders do not have "that setup" unless they have wheels built by Dave. He is that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooksworldwide
    Hey all,

    I'm building up a Sultan and have a wheelset question.

    I spoke w/ Dave (speed dream) about the following wheel build:

    CK hubs-iso 20mm T/A front and rear hub w/fun bolts laced to Flows.
    I'm 6'2, 220, 65%xc/35%am, not for racing,no drops or jumps

    Dave recommended he build the wheels with 32 instead of 36 spoke (front and rear) and not the heavy guage spokes.

    I'm no expert, just doing my research, and NOT second guessing Dave, but looking for other riders opinions or experience with this setup. I figured with my weight I'd want 36hole w/ spokes and the beefier spokes.

    Dave said his recommendation will produce a more lively wheel whereas, and my way will be a very harsh ride.

    Cost is $749+$10 upcharge for 20mm T/A +$40 upcharge for Flows +$20 shipping + possible upcharge for fun bolts.

    Any thoughts... Thanks
    I'm 6'3", 210 (220ish with a full up wingnut on my back) and have virtually the same wheelset (32H), only difference is my rear King is a QR. My set is MC built, but very positive experience. My riding is 100% XC though, 185mm front brake, 160 rear.

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    You'll be fine with the build Dave recommended. The Flow rims are burly enough for what you listed. The butted spokes are light where they can be and beefed up where they need to be. I assume you're going with brass nipples which is good in this case. 32 and 3 cross is strong enough for all but a 250lb.+ noob who doesn't get his ass off the saddle when riding a hardtail through a rock garden.

    For comparison, I'm 220lbs. and dropping, ride rocky technical XC on a hardtail, and just ordered Arch rims, butted spokes, alloy nipples, built on King hubs in a 32 and 3 cross pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    its a good idea to double check with those on the 29er board before trusting a true expert in their field
    And even more important to check with a guy who has no fewer than three links to bike manufacturers as his signature line!
    Whining is not a strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo
    And even more important to check with a guy who has no fewer than three links to bike manufacturers as his signature line!
    agreed....with over 12K posts I should really charge a consulting fee for each reply i provide to you underlings

    as for the links...yeah, i should really start a blog and provide a link to that so people would have even better access to my infinite wisdom

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    Thanks to all for your thoughts...

    shizzle: I ain't biting, nice try...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooksworldwide
    shizzle: I ain't biting, nice try...
    damnit Jim! at least cosmo did

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooksworldwide
    Hey all,

    I'm building up a Sultan and have a wheelset question.

    I spoke w/ Dave (speed dream) about the following wheel build:

    CK hubs-iso 20mm T/A front and rear hub w/fun bolts laced to Flows.
    I'm 6'2, 220, 65%xc/35%am, not for racing,no drops or jumps

    Dave recommended he build the wheels with 32 instead of 36 spoke (front and rear) and not the heavy guage spokes.

    I'm no expert, just doing my research, and NOT second guessing Dave, but looking for other riders opinions or experience with this setup. I figured with my weight I'd want 36hole w/ spokes and the beefier spokes.

    Dave said his recommendation will produce a more lively wheel whereas, and my way will be a very harsh ride.

    Cost is $749+$10 upcharge for 20mm T/A +$40 upcharge for Flows +$20 shipping + possible upcharge for fun bolts.

    Any thoughts... Thanks
    36h Flows - DT Comp - Hadley Hubs. Built by Chad at Red Barn and they have been bullet proof!! I also weight a good chunk more than 220.

    Living in AZ I have heard nothing but good things about Speed-Dream wheel sets.
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    I have a set of road wheels that Dave built for me 6 years ago. It was the first wheelset that I ever bought separate from a bike. After probably 6,000 miles I have broken 2 spokes on the rear, time to rebuild the rear. Dave knows his stuff and will even include an extra spoke of every size used. The front had 18 spokes (yes Dave has Velocity drill the rims for him special and the rear had 24 spokes 6 NDS and 18 DS. After all these years and miles with only a touch up truing after the first few months 1 NDS spoke broke last year and I had a spare from Dave and the 2nd one broke about 3 months ago and I am rebuilding the wheel.

    That is pretty good reliability for a wheelset that weighed 1500 something 6 years ago (now that would be heavy). I would trust what Dave says and you have to remember, he backs it up with his warranty. Another thing to consider is that Dave has built more wheels than almost any human alive. I remember when I was talking to Dave back then (I don't know if this is still true), you could hear he was building a wheel while he was talking on the phone.

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    First...

    off, I have ridden and raced Dave's wheels (26er) and they are the real deal. His wheels will do exactly what you spec them to do. He always seems to get it right with the combination of parts he uses.

    I also have experience with Flow rims (32 hole) and XTR hubs (20mm front and QR rear). I built the wheels myself to Stan's spec (100kg spoke tension) with DT comp spokes. They are plenty stiff for me at 225 lbs on my '09 Sultan.

    Have faith in Dave's assessment and ride the snot out of the wheels. I don't think you will be dissapointed.
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    I had a set of Speeddreams on my road bike which I inadvertently let go when I sold it - long story. Very nice wheels and I regret losing them. Light and lively build for a heavy guy. Never went out of true although other wheel builders frowned on the spec. That being said, on my FS bike I want stiff, stiff and more stiff.

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