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    Voodoo Canzo 29er: So what do you get for $750

    OK - since I built my RIP9 my EMD9 was just sitting, so I decided to sell the frame and build a full suspension 29er for my son with the components. I was searching for a used frame until I ran across the Voodoo Canzo. For $765.00 delivered here's what I got :
























    Yes, there's more than enough room for Nevegal 2.2's and the Reba fork clears the frame with room to spare, I don't use the Poploc but it should be fine. I probably would not have ordered the green frame but that's the only option - but I REALLY like the color.

    I'll give a ride report in a week or so. Thanks for looking.
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    Finally some decent photos of a Canzo. Eager to hear what you think of it.

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    That looks awesome

    What size frame is it?

    I would really like to hear how it rides as well. That is about as good a deal on a FS 29 I have ever seen.

    Have fun with that!!!!
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    where did you get it at?

    That sounds like a killer price

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    great looking build. looking forward to the ride report.

    may i ask where you got it?

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    It's a medium frame (18"), I would have ordered a 20" for myself to get a longer top tube - but the 23 1/4" effective toptube is the same as my son's 19" Jamis XLT 26er it replaces. The bottom bracket heighth is 13.5" with the Nevegals and the headtube is 110mm - the large is 130mm and I only had enough steerer tube on my Reba for about 100mm (I don't like spacers under my stem). It has 4" travel front and rear. All the parts from the Niner fit this frame.

    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...
    Yes, email them from their website (or call them) and tell them what you want and that you want to use the 10% off and free shipping coupon from mtbr. They'll email you back fairly quickly. My frame arrived in less than two weeks. They've been very easy to deal with.
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    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?

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    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnhood
    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?
    Thanks, that's a little Canon Powershot SD 800 IS - you can carry it in your shirt pocket. The pictures were taken on Auto mode - it's pretty foolproof - which is what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
    Thanks, the Canzo is definately the budget FS 29er - and honestly in person the frame looks just about as good as many other foreign-built frames - some costing twice as much. I really like the Rockshox MC 3.3 shock too - it's real short with an wide-bodied air chamber that doesn't take up much room. It has an adjustable air spring, floodgate platform, and rebound with a 3-position lever for wide-open/floodgate/full lockout.

    My son's 15 and he's a really good kid. He's very busy with highschool football and wrestling and school of course, so he doesn't get to ride alot. But he and his buddies like to x-train on mountainbikes and blow off some steam when they can. With my hardtail 29er just sitting there I wanted to build a FS bike to get him in on the big wheels too. Our last 26er is for sale now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Our last 26er is for sale now.
    I love hearing that! Goes to show that 29ers are the real deal and not just some fad. I sold my last 26er in the spring.

    Thanks for the pictures!
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    Canzo is a great in to FS

    I picked up a Canzo at the beginning of the month and have been rding it about 5 days a week to get in dialed in. This past weekend I completed a 50 mile mtn bike race on it. The bike handled great. I have a Niner sir9 (hardtail) and was looking for full suspension bike to use on the longer rides and was looking for 4" of travel and less. this frame fits the bill. It took a few rides to finally get the rear shock dialed in, but once it was it rode great. I usually run the rear shock in the propedal position and have had no issues with getting out of the sadlle to climb up short steep sections. Currently I have a reba on the front, but might change to a white brothers fluid 110.

    If you are looking at options on where to buy checkout Bike29.com. George can help you out. He is a 29er specific dealer.

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    FIRST RIDE REPORT - Canzo 29er

    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork, quicker steering than RIP with 135mm fork.
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork (quicker than RIP with 135mm fork).
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.
    I really like it too. I ran the shock wide open. When I say it never fealt like it came close to bottoming that's a good thing - and that's using full travel.

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    Nice report BWG, I like those MC3 shocks myself and was looking at one for my Trance before I moved on up to big wheels. With the handling remember that you're also on a smaller bike than your RIP so it should feel a bit more "flickable" due it size, not to mention the shorter fork. Seems to me like this is a very decent budget frame and well worth the measly $750 you paid for it - I really think your son will enjoy it and maybe even start biking more as it should be more "Fun".
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    Here is a write up I did in the K2 forum reference the RS MC 3.3. Take it for what it's worth. It's a great shock with lots of adjustability.

    The MC3 setup
    Ok - lots of adjustment on this thing. First check - dropped about 5psi out back - I don't mention PSI numbers b/c we all weigh different and sag is what you should be using to drive your PSI. I'm a bit over 25% on the rear shock as well know. Second adjustment, rebound. There are 38 clicks on the rebound knob and Rock Shox has made it pretty simple with the rabbit/turtle diagram. I set rebound (red dial) right in the middle - 19 click from the turtle. I had previously had it much higher but noticed significant kickback (my camelbak hitting my helmet) on the rooty terrain here in Alabama. Third adjustment is the floodgate (gold knob). There are 18 clicks for the floodgate - the + symbol being max floodgate control, the - symbol being minimum floodgate control. I set my floodgate at four clicks from minimum (-). Because I have the MC3.3 - I also had to flip the lever to the middle position.

    The Result
    Outstanding feel and control today. No kickback, soaked up roots and small drops like they were non-existent and cornered like a cat with claws climbing the curtains. I was able to attack some sections that previously, I could not due to my previous setup. Comfort was superb on the fast speed hits, as I suspected, I gave up a little low speed compression by applying the 'platform' capability but the improvements in handling and high speed dampening performance far outweigh the loss.
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    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background
    It takes a 34.9 front derailer, a 34.9 or 35 (depending on brand) seatpost collar, and a 31.6 seatpost - I use a 400mm length.

    I'm honored to have my pic as your background.

    I know you'll like it! Where'd you order it from?

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    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

    Frame comes with a seat clamp but not a quick release one.

    Front end does not lift easy compared to my 26er FS bike. I actually prefer it that way. I think it helps the bike track better in the corners.

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    wow! what a killer bang for the buck! The only frame that may give it a run for its money will be the new KHS with the whorest link

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    I just switched the 90mm stem in the pics to a 100 and the flat bar to a riser - I've gotten used to a riser on my RIP and that's what my son is used to. I fealt too much weight on my hands with the flat bar - the riser should take care of that and make the front easier to loft too.

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    Very impressive for the price. Since you also ride the RIP, any thoughts on the degree of flex in the back half of the frame? One thing I worry about on the other inexpensive FS I was looking at (Astrix Monk) is flex like my Prophet has. Looks like the Canzo would be pretty stiff.

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    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.

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    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...

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    I just picked mine up a month ago. My only previous FS bike was an Elsworth Truth. The Conzo has a lot stiffer back half than the Ellsworth. Now that I have it dialed in the bike climbs great and it plush enough for my liking on the downhill. I am more of a XC rider so I might have the rear shock set a little stiffer than most like. Good frame for the price.

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    BWG, this squeak you noticed, was it from the get go or only after you had the bike for a while? I ask as I had a noise squeak/click I was getting and I took everything apart and checked the bearings, to find a load of crap in them and not a lot of grease - actually had to work the drive side bearings free and clean all out and re-grease. With the suspension linkage going under the BB it runs very low and is very sacceptable {sp?} to getting drenched before the BB.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.
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    here I am, waffling between an AIR9 and an EMD9, and you have to go and throw a FS frame at me, one that happens to cost the same as the AIR9.
    curse you!

    nah, I'm not mad, the canzo looks sweet, but since I'm lookin for something to XC, you aren't complicating my life too much...

    thread needs some pictures involving mud!

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    Follow-up Ride Report

    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:

    -quick, predictable steering.
    -very quiet (no noise from chain/rear end).
    -No flex noted.
    -Using all 4" of front + rear suspension without bottoming.
    -Enough suspension to handle medium hits,jumps,logs,rocks.
    -Fun to ride.
    -Good on tight trails.
    -Initial "slowness" I noticed while climbing/decending seems to be due to the Canzo's Nevegals verses the Rampages on my RIP9. I found with a little more air in the Nevegals the rolling resistance is less. Seems faster now - but I've also got the suspension and cockpit dialed in now (Longer stem,riser bar,seat a little further forward for climbing).

    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too.

    Overall, if you want a really nice full suspension 29er at the cost of a quality hardtail - I don't think you can go wrong with the Canzo. I have no regrets about buying this bike.
    I'll let you all know how the bearings and linkage holds up after 6 months or so of winter riding.

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    This is exciting!! I didn't think a f/s 29r could be had for under $1200.

    Good luck with the bike and please keep us up to date on the likes and dislikes.

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    The rear end

    I own Kona King Kikapu for many years and I got to say the rear of that Canzo is a dead ringer for the rear of the Kona. Something to think about. Fwiw my Kona rides real well and treated me fine.

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    I think that statement says it all We'll keep a look out for long term reports on construction of this, what seems to be the hands down cheapest way to get into a 29er. Is your Son a somewhat masher, that likes to slowly turn over a gear as he climbs or spins like a hamster? I found that the 29ers ability to roll over stuff at slow speed really suits my riding style of slowly crawling up climbs and carefully picking my line.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:......................................... ....
    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too................................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...
    med is 6.2lbs on ultimate scale,i was very immpressed .ill do a real
    reveiw with pics soon.so far with three rides on it im in love with this bike.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Way too much good stuff and enthusiasm for this bike here.

    Ok, I just ordered on from my LBS; not quite as low priced as I can get it off the 'Net, and I will pay sales tax. It helps to have one of the largest nationwide dealers as my LBS, and stop in with a few brews when I'm shopping or need quick installs with the tools I do not have.

    It will be here in about 10-14 days. Now I need to sell a ton of kiddie wheels stuff.

    I was too stocked after my first 2000' climb after being off the dirt for 9 months; I plead temporary insanity, yeah, that's it........
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    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).
    I hear ya! I dream and google and geek way more than is healthy.

    This frame is going to cost me $90 more, with the sales tax, than from Bitterbrush. I have saved far, far more than that in free work, like headset / BB installs, facing BB and head tubes, troubleshooting some creaky crank nightmares, ad nauseum. It works out in the end. And this is one of the big guns in the MTB retail business - their ad is on the MTBR front page.

    They know that I get better deals sometimes, and don't get pissy about it, so I buy from them when I can; it works for both of us. When I show up with a problem item, and a six pack, I get service in minutes and not days.

    This is worth the dinero this time. I've bought three other bikes that they beat other prices I had researched.
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    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    I'm running a 2-ring + Bashguard with an XT bottom-swing - I held up a LX topswing and it looks like it would work - not sure though.

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    Got me a canzo 29er and really like it so far. Thanks to BWG and others for the great reviews. I was curious how much sag are you running? Also has anyone noticed imperfections in the frame? On my downtube there are several dents. You don't notice them until you run your fingers along the frame. One if very large and I'm worried it will only get worse overtime. It was packed well and it doesn't have scratches so I don't think it happened during shipping.
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    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
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    i like the interbike linkage more better. the other reminds me of a Kona design which to me is astetically bad or should i say more bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
    I think the interbike pic is the orig prototype. Never seen one of those for sale. Check out the blog from the voodoo guys back in 2006.
    http://www.voodoocycles.net/blog/?p=17

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    The prototype I saw had a lower linkage, a solid rear triangle,a shorter upper rocker and an upside down shock as seen in Voodoo's blog in the previous post.

    I didn't have any frame imperfections.

    I'm running 25% sag (25% of 1.5 ").
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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery

    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    Color will still be green.
    Dang! Why didn't you post this a week sooner?

    I just ordered the last 20" from BTI through my LBS.

    Ah well, given the great reviews from BWG and others, I am confident that I will be happy with it. I'm a fan of longer stems on quicker handling bikes, and it sounds like the current short TT (about 3cm less than my Inbred) on the Canzo will let me do this.

    This will be my first boinger bike after about 2 years of full rigid riding, I'm sure I will love it. If not, I'm blaming you now.
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    Dang! Dang! Dang!

    Walked into the LBS this morning to grab some GU02, and Tim goes, "Hey, look at that box at the top steps."

    My frame! Too soon. Too soon. Fork is in transit. Hubs and rims on order to build wheels. I did not expect them to get it until early next week.

    Oh the pain and suffering and anticipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    My frame! Too soon.
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

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    Yes to the color; lighter in real life than the pics I see here on my laptop. I like that flat color, almost looks like bead blasted anodizing. Makes me wish I could do a complete silver component build, but I have all the black parts I need (and more) in the parts bin.

    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping (thanks to a great deal from an MTBR member), the rear hub and rims are on order through my LBS (some schmuck mail ordered the last pair the day before ), they had the front 20mm TA hub. These wheels will be economy build (about $225 for both), and then I'll do a killer set in the spring. I have all the other parts and will start hanging them on the frame in the next couple days.

    Anyone else find the seat tube is very tight, and the 31.6 post (I have tried 3 spares) will not fit easily? I'm going to sand the paint out and see how it goes. My LBS does not have a seat tube reamer in that size. They installed the BB and HS cups after chasing and facing it.
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    The Canzo looks to be a lot of bike for the money...

    and the thru-axle will really add to how well the bike tracks. Glad you got a good deal on the fork . Keep it upright and enjoy your time back on the bike.

    - Q

    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Yes to the color; lighter in real life than the pics I see here on my laptop. I like that flat color, almost looks like bead blasted anodizing. Makes me wish I could do a complete silver component build, but I have all the black parts I need (and more) in the parts bin.

    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping (thanks to a great deal from an MTBR member), the rear hub and rims are on order through my LBS (some schmuck mail ordered the last pair the day before ), they had the front 20mm TA hub. These wheels will be economy build (about $225 for both), and then I'll do a killer set in the spring. I have all the other parts and will start hanging them on the frame in the next couple days.

    Anyone else find the seat tube is very tight, and the 31.6 post (I have tried 3 spares) will not fit easily? I'm going to sand the paint out and see how it goes. My LBS does not have a seat tube reamer in that size. They installed the BB and HS cups after chasing and facing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qfactor03
    and the thru-axle will really add to how well the bike tracks. Glad you got a good deal on the fork . Keep it upright and enjoy your time back on the bike.

    - Q
    Ok, now I am getting more excited. The fork got here in two days.

    Yes, the guy I got it from is very nice, very helpful, very quick to ship, and just a hell of a nice person. I hope there was enough money left over to buy a nice beer!

    So, off the the LBS to see if they can pop the old HS fork race off and install it on the new fork.

    Now I need wheels, please, please, please, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping...
    Have you done the trail calculation yet? Canzo HA = 72.5deg w/ 510mm AC (reba 100). My math: The trail w/ the rebas 38mm offset = 76mm (3").

    Magic 100 has 10mm < AC than reba = ~0.5deg steeper HA = 73deg. The magic 100 has 44mm offset (is the thru axle the same as the QR?) The combination yields 66mm (2.6") of trail. Thats really small.

    Heres a quick comparison of trail calculations:
    Canzo + reba = 76mm (3.0")
    fisher G2 hifi (fox) = 80 (3.1")
    RIP9 + reba = 83 (3.3")
    Lenz Levithan 4 + reba = 90 (3.5")
    Intense Spider + reba = 73 (2.9") - and by all reports its a twitchy race oriented ride

    Some 26ers for comparison:
    Specialized Epic = 78mm (3.1") - XC race bike (I own one - it definitely requires 'attention')
    Specialized Stumpjumper = 84 (3.4") - more AM slant

    The head angle of the canzo wasn't designed for the new higher offset forks. I'd think twice about using a magic 100 on there. Likely super sketchy handling.

    FWIW, The manitou TA introduces this same 'problem' (48mm offset). I went to the 120mm fork to slacken the head angle a degree. That gets the trail close to the same amount as if running a reba (actually, the same as the spider.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Have you done the trail calculation yet? Canzo HA = 72.5deg w/ 510mm AC (reba 100). My math: The trail w/ the rebas 38mm offset = 76mm (3").

    Magic 100 has 10mm < AC than reba = ~0.5deg steeper HA = 73deg. The magic 100 has 44mm offset (is the thru axle the same as the QR?) The combination yields 66mm (2.6") of trail. Thats really small.
    I had not. My eyes kinda glaze over when the discussions get like that here on MTBR.
    ("Sorry, gotta go. It's getting deep, and my boot leak......")

    Using this page - http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/elenk.htm
    And plugging in

    73 degree HA
    72.7 cm diameter of Rampage actual measurement
    4.4 cm fork offset
    I get 6.5 cm trail

    I dunno. All I looked at was the AC difference of the Reba and the Magic 100, and thought that 10mm was slight.

    I will be using the FSA DH Pig Pro HS that has a taller stack height mentioned in this post. It has a stack height of 31mm but I cannot find the lower stack height alone, but many posts state it is one of the tallest. I dunno.

    I read everything I could find on the Reba and the Magic100, and decided that the WB would suit me better since I hate brake dive, and wanted a stiffer fork, since I have been on a rigid bike for the last couple of years. Also, I wanted a TA, and if I could not have one, I was not going to build the bike.

    The other consideration is that with my long arms and legs, I'll likely be using a 110-120 stem on this bike, since I had a 100cm on the last one, and that will give me the same seat post to bars reach as my Inbred 29er with a 80cm stem. Plus 28-29 inch bars.

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    I would have gone with a 100 mm WB TA fork too if I didn't already have a Reba - the TA Fluid 135 on my RIP is awesome. I don't get too obsessed with the numbers and I'm willing to give something a try even if people say I shouldn't.No direspect to smdubovsky, but telling me I can't or shouldn't do something just makes me that much more determined. My stubbornness aside, I think things in life don't always turn out like they do on paper (especially when I already bought the part). Go for it and enjoy that new ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

    SMD
    Yep, my pics were taken in the morning shade and look darker than in sunlight. Sorry about that. Glad you guys are giving this bike a chance, I know I'm glad I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I would have gone with a 100 mm WB TA fork too if I didn't already have a Reba - the TA Fluid 135 on my RIP is awesome. I don't get too obsessed with the numbers and I'm willing to give something a try even if people say I shouldn't. No direspect to smdubovsky, but telling me I can't or shouldn't do something just makes me that much more determined. My stubbornness aside, I think things in life don't always turn out like they do on paper (especially when I already bought the part). Go for it and enjoy that new ride.
    Thanks. I'm not for sweating the whole thing either. I'll give it a go. Reviewing the Voodoo Cycles website again, they show the design for a 505AC/100mm fork. The WB is 5 under that. the Reba 5 over. I have the DH Pig Pro headset that is pretty tall, and I found this by Cane Creek, the S-3+5 HS, if I feel it is too twitchy.

    Thanks to smdubovsky for making me think a little harder about this, I did google up a number of good sites and reviewed the whole rake/trail/offset conundrum.

    That helps distract me from waiting for my rear hub and rims so that wheels can be built and I can ride this baby...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I have the DH Pig Pro headset that is pretty tall, and I found this by Cane Creek, the S-3+5 HS, if I feel it is too twitchy.
    I found the Hope headset I'm runnning is 10mm taller than the Cane Creek S-2 headset I used on another bike. More expensive too, but worth it I think.
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    slocaus, please don't NOT try it based on just my opinion. I didn't mean to imply that (I reread my post and I do see how it sounds like that.) Sorry. Just wanted to show that it was something to be concerned with. Im an engineer so I get geeky on the #s IMO, The tall headset is prob a great idea. I don't have the experience to know 65mm is too little - I go mostly how other bikes are built and what more experienced say. I also know my Epic is about as nervous as *I* would want to ride, so I "chickened out" and bought the long manitou. I also have long legs & arms and raising the head tube up won't bother me either. 29ers seem to be built just for me

    Yeah, I wanted a TA too. I've ridden 2 forks in my life - both F100 foxs. I rode a 29er for the first time a month ago - a RIP9 w/ reba that I rode around the block for 5min. The FIRST time I hit the brakes on the reba I noticed the fore/aft flex. Im sure Id get used to it, but I figured a new bike, a new wheel size, might as well try out new everything!

    FWIW, I run the cane creek S8 on my bikes. Im no bike expert and I don't have years of riding exp, but engineering wise its every bit a match of the overpriced CK at 1/4 the price (my opinion is blasphemy, I know...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    I think these changes will only make a good bike better. PLEASE post pictures of your Canzo 29er builds. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    slocaus, please don't NOT try it based on just my opinion. I didn't mean to imply that (I reread my post and I do see how it sounds like that.) Sorry. Just wanted to show that it was something to be concerned with. Im an engineer so I get geeky on the #s IMO, The tall headset is prob a great idea. I don't have the experience to know 65mm is too little - I go mostly how other bikes are built and what more experienced say. I also know my Epic is about as nervous as *I* would want to ride, so I "chickened out" and bought the long manitou. I also have long legs & arms and raising the head tube up won't bother me either. 29ers seem to be built just for me

    Yeah, I wanted a TA too. I've ridden 2 forks in my life - both F100 foxs. I rode a 29er for the first time a month ago - a RIP9 w/ reba that I rode around the block for 5min. The FIRST time I hit the brakes on the reba I noticed the fore/aft flex. Im sure Id get used to it, but I figured a new bike, a new wheel size, might as well try out new everything!

    FWIW, I run the cane creek S8 on my bikes. Im no bike expert and I don't have years of riding exp, but engineering wise its every bit a match of the overpriced CK at 1/4 the price (my opinion is blasphemy, I know...)

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    Hey SMD, no sweat that I would actually take your advice. (/joke)

    I have been riding mountain bikes sinc 1979, and only on suspended bikes for 4 years, but I have had three bikes and six forks, with vastly different A-C measurements. Not that I am an expert.

    Seriously, I do appreciate your making me think about this! My 29er SS is an Inbred, and it handles really, really quickly on single track, and yet is very stable at speed descending fire roads at 35 mph! It conforms to the trail figures you gave in the other examples, right at 3.0" I just know from riding my old Uzzi SLX with QR forks, that I absolutely wanted a TA fork; no TA, no sussy for me.

    Just for grins, here is a fork to down tube clearance photo. It looks HUGE to me. It is hard to compare with BWG's photos, but if anyone wants to post a photo for comparison, please do.
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    Slocaus, here's a pic for comparison of a Reba without poploc and a Hope headset.

    smdubovsky, sorry if I sounded like a smarta$$ about the #'s - you're an engineer - you can't help it .

    Also, here's a picture of the final build set up for my son (riser bar, longer stem, his saddle, platform/clipless pedals).




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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    you're an engineer - you can't help it .
    Thats the truth Heres the pic of it w/ a manitou minute 120 fork. Looks like it'll clear anything quite easily.
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    Please stop posting pics of this bike, you are getting quite aggravating now and pushing me towards selling an organ to acquire one even though I really don't need it
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    LyNx,
    Ha! I lust after the RIP *YOU* have Hmmmm Blue. (Green & red are by far my least favorite colors, but I couldn't argue w/ the price.) Everything should show up tomorrow to build. Will be able to ride it this weekend!

    FWIW, Here are some measurements I took to enter into a Linkage model (yes, I put the bike on a granite surface and measured - Did I mention Im an engineer
    Large (20") frame + Manitou minute 120 TA (530 AC + 12.3mm for headset)
    120mm head tube (website says 130mm)
    434mm CS = 18.25" (website says 455mm/17.9")
    27mm BB drop (website says 40mm but thats for a 505AC/100mm travel fork)
    HT ~71.5deg (but I have difficulty making this measurement so I could easily be off +-1/2 deg)
    2.75" clearance inside the CS, 3" inside the SS (hmmmm, big tires)

    The resulting HT + 48mm fork offset should give me ~73mm trail (2.9").
    I REALLY welcome the 13mm less BB drop the fork gave me too. W/ Rampage 2.3's should put the BB height well over 13.5" (excellent to run longer cranks and still get over the roots here.)

    Edit (more info):
    Frame weight = 6.5#
    BB height = 13.5"
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Happy RIPping it

    No lusting here, just curious.............

    Not at all un-happy with the RIP9, just very curious to ride a FS Frame that costs $750, yet seems to be very well designed and manufactured - whether a 26" or 29" frame that's a killer deal on a frame. Yup happy camper cruising around on the RIP9, just this damn 29er Koolaid has me getting thirsty to try different flavours of it

    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
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    Ha! I lust after the RIP *YOU* have Hmmmm Blue. (Green & red are by far my least favorite colors, but I couldn't argue w/ the price.) Everything should show up tomorrow to build. Will be able to ride it this weekend!

    ....................................)
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    Oh well it was fun while it lasted Figured I'd take a look at the Geo numbers for the bike and lo and behold they only make up to a 20" 24.25" TT so too small for me, but will still be on the top of my recommend list for anyone looking.
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    I've gotten five rides in three days on mine. What a bike! It needs more tuning and break in on the shocks for a full analysis. My first impression was that it was very familiar; that is a good thing, since I have only ridden a rigid 29er SS Inbred for over a year. It did not feel radically different so that it would have a (re)learning curve.

    Climbing, descending, nice swoopy single track was very comfortable. Fork offset / AC height / frame angles in not an issue. I've done one really steep rocky three mile descent, lots of climbing, and some fast fire road descent at 35 mph. This bike is confidence inspiring! Gotta remember to take the old knee and elbow armor along and wear it - I'm too old to go as fast as this bike is capable!
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    I brought my camera along for the first ride, but completely forgot to take pics... Oh well, heres one of my build. Stole the seat and stem off my other ride for now.
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    I like it! The silver parts and white/silver fork really compliment the Canzo Swamp Green. Maybe a silver seatpost in your future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Maybe a silver seatpost in your future?
    Hmm, Its really just a mix of parts in whatever color I had but I see what you mean. It would look far better w/ a silver post. Though, there aren't too many to choose from w/ lots of offset (see how far back it sits - I've got LONG legs). I could strip the paint easily enough though On the other hand, I could paint the CS's black to match. Naaah, Im just going to ride it for a while The susp needs some serious tuning attention before I worry about colors.

    FWIW, I drilled the SS cable stops and ran full length cables. I simply zip all three housings to the center holder under the TT. I also run moto-style right front brakes and that usually adds a little goofyness to the routing. Not so on the canzo since the brake cable runs down the middle.

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    Those Canzos look great. what's the bottom bracket height on those suckers?

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    MMcG,
    My post further up the page has dimensions 13.5" w/ the manitou 120 and Rampage 2.35s. The fork is what gets the extra 1/2" over the factory specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    MMcG,
    My post further up the page has dimensions 13.5" w/ the manitou 120 and Rampage 2.35s. The fork is what gets the extra 1/2" over the factory specs.
    That's a nice height - especially for my neck of the woods (Connecticut) where we've got lots of rocks to contend with on our trails.

    Great looking bike. How's the front end handling with the 120 Manitou? Does that 120mm Minute have the 48mm offset up front?

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    I just went for a ride on my new Canzo on Sunday (yeaterday), and I couldnh't believe how much I loved it. I have ridden hardtails all my life, my last bike was a Soma Juice which was my first 29er. I rode the Soma hard for over a year, and loved the bike every minute. After a very brutal trip to Moab (which did have me envying my buddies FS) I brought the Soma into my LBS for a quick run through. It turns out that my seatstay welds had cracked where they met the seattube. Now in no way do I think that this is a negative assessment of the Soma, I rode it HARD, my theory is that I should be able to keep up with anyone on any bike. Anyway Soma has already said that they will warranty the frame. But since I was rebuilding my bike anyway I decided to take the plunge and go FS. My local BTI outlet had a Canzo frame in my size that they had on sale. I got it for $800 through my LBS. So I swapped all the parts over from the Soma to the Canzo (needed new seatpost). I can't believe how natural this bike was to ride coming off my hardtail. The geometry feels almost identical to the Soma, except that my feet feel a little farther back. I did a classic trail in my area that I ride constantly which is a long climb and return downhill. On the climb the bike stuck to the ground like glue in the steep rocky areas. My hardtail usually starts to jump around and lose traction when I stand up and climb, this never happened on the Canzo. I did the whole climb with the shock in the free float position and never felt like the bike was bobbing under me, this was in and out of the saddle. I was amazed at the difference going over obstacles. I could ride over a 6" ledge without getting out of the saddle. I could never do this on my hardtail. Going down was even more amazing, of course, on rocky rooty sections which previously I had to really hang on and work to get through with speed, I simply floated over. This downhill is really fast, but rough and on my hardtail it was work, on the Canzo it was pure pleasure. I don't know if this post is a recomendation of the Canzo in particular or FS in general (I'm sure a lot of you are saying Duh!) but previous FS bikes I tried just didn't seem to feel as natural or as stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That's a nice height - especially for my neck of the woods (Connecticut) where we've got lots of rocks to contend with on our trails.

    Great looking bike. How's the front end handling with the 120 Manitou? Does that 120mm Minute have the 48mm offset up front?
    Im in MD. We have some rocks but tons of 3-4" roots to deal w/. I have an Epic (13" BB) and I'll get a couple pedal strikes per ride w/ 180 cranks - lots more if I actually try to pedal while going over the roots. None w/ the Canzo so far though I still found myself trying to pedal hard than coast over the rooty sections. When I did remember to pedal, I went over fine. its going to be a little while before I learn the new limit. The higher BB is one of the reasons I went w/ a longer fork. I do more XC riding, so I don't actually NEED 120mm of travel, just a high BB.

    Yes, the 120 TA is 48mm offset (the QR version has 41mm). Works out to ~2.9" of trail on the large Canzo (the large has the steepest HTA). No problems @ all in the handling dept. We rode some pretty tight switchbacks (both up and down) and I can't say it seemed all that different than my Epic, which has very fast handling. Being my first ride on a 29er, it really seems to be a non-issue - to the point of I wonder why people make a fuss about the handling differences 26 vs 29.

    The fork MAY have some other issues though. Go see the minute 120 thread.
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    It comes short on oil (easy fix but annoying), but I fear it has an ancient damper design (difficult fix). I have to ride it more to be sure, but IMO it currently has far too much high speed compression damping.

    BTW, I hadn't ridden it 5 minutes before someone stopped and asked me about the bike Got a 'nice voodoo' comment along the way too. Thats never happened to me before. My friends were ribbing me about it

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    Give the Manitou more time.....seems like that's what it takes to get them performing well. Time and a little bit of tweaking here and there no?

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    Does anybody know when the 2008 with longer TT's will be available? Is $975 through my LBS a fair price?

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    Nice bike and pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I've gotten five rides in three days on mine. What a bike! It needs more tuning and break in on the shocks for a full analysis. My first impression was that it was very familiar; that is a good thing, since I have only ridden a rigid 29er SS Inbred for over a year. It did not feel radically different so that it would have a (re)learning curve.

    Climbing, descending, nice swoopy single track was very comfortable. Fork offset / AC height / frame angles in not an issue. I've done one really steep rocky three mile descent, lots of climbing, and some fast fire road descent at 35 mph. This bike is confidence inspiring! Gotta remember to take the old knee and elbow armor along and wear it - I'm too old to go as fast as this bike is capable!
    Nice bike and pictures . Morning Glory? Nice to see pictures of another FS 29er @ SLO.

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    Check with Voodoo direct. they are very good about getting back with information on their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Does anybody know when the 2008 with longer TT's will be available? Is $975 through my LBS a fair price?
    For comparison - Speegoat.com sells them for $825.00 with free shipping and no tax if you're not in PA. BitterbrushCycles.com has them for $875.00 and will give you 10% off plus free shipping and no tax if you're not in CO. See if your LBS will match those deals - if not talk to one of these shops. I got my Canzo frame from Bitterbrush and had my wheels built by Speedgoat and I've been very happy with both shops, especially Bitterbrush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Nice bike and pictures . Morning Glory? Nice to see pictures of another FS 29er @ SLO.
    Ummmm. Stagecoach road, Cerro San Luis, Cuesta Cyn. park, no pics from Morning Glory yet. Rode it all the way from SLO up Stagecoach, W. Cuesta Ridge to Cerro Alto, then down to Morro Bay and home (via Turri Road) 46 miles and 5900 feet ascending (according to Garmin). I've been all over the local SLO trails thus far.

    Where the heck are you? I see you posting in NorCal. Do you have SLO people you visit, or moved here or what? We should ride sometime.

    I've made quite a few changes in the bike since the photos; bars, stem, post, post clamp; still fiddling with tires and shock settings. I kinda got carried away like I never have before with a bike. I'll get some updated pictures up here soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    For comparison - Speegoat.com sells them for $825.00 with free shipping and no tax if you're not in PA. BitterbrushCycles.com has them for $875.00 and will give you 10% off plus free shipping and no tax if you're not in CO. See if your LBS will match those deals - if not talk to one of these shops. I got my Canzo frame from Bitterbrush and had my wheels built by Speedgoat and I've been very happy with both shops, especially Bitterbrush.
    My LBS just happens to be Cambria Bicycle Outfitters. I got mine at $799; of course no shipping, but local sales tax. Then I bought waaaaay to much other stuff, and they give me a hellofa discount (10-50%) they just have my credit card on file. Got the Ringle/Sun High Rider 29er wheels for under $190, stuff like that. The fact that I walk in with 6-10 big bottles of Stone Smoked Porter, Arrogant Bastard, and IPA when I need parts or quick service might have some small effect.
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    Those of you having a Canzo; what fork length do you have and what would you say is the best fork travel (a-c length) for it? Would a Reba 80 mm be too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikerik
    Those of you having a Canzo; what fork length do you have and what would you say is the best fork travel (a-c length) for it? Would a Reba 80 mm be too low?
    The spec page at VooDoo states it is designed for the Reba 100mm fork with a 505mm A-C.

    I run a White Bros Magic100 with A-C of 500mm and a headset with a tall lower stack that is probable 3-5mm taller than average. (This thread has all those details, if you read it.)

    What is the A-C of the 80mm Reba; why do you want to run a shorter travel fork than the frame is designed to use? Why not get a frame that is 80mm/3 inches travel, designed for an 80mm fork? You think a shorter fork in front will give you a psychological edge, your brain with think you are always going downhill?
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    I love my Canzo. These pics were taken before I put a red King headset on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    The [URL="http://www.voodoocycles.net/07_canzo29.htm"]
    why do you want to run a shorter travel fork than the frame is designed to use? Why not get a frame that is 80mm/3 inches travel, designed for an 80mm fork? You think a shorter fork in front will give you a psychological edge, your brain with think you are always going downhill?
    I don't think I need more psychological edge; rather less of it. That's why I got into this bigwheel thing to begin with. To have something less playful than my 26ers. But that's another story.

    I already have a Reba 29, 80 mm. I have understood that it is possible to change them to 100 mm and I have read that Voodoo has designed the bike for 100 mm fork. Which sound perfect to me. But it would be interesting to hear from someone who has tried it with a shorter fork if it really sucks or is OK. Then I would know what to expect, should I decide to replace my current frame with a Canzo and keep the rest. If it would be a bad or OK setup. I'd like to skip the messy fork rebuild session. I've had too many of those. I need no more fork rebuilds in my life than the absolute minimum.

    Just thinking about bike stuff... it's cheaper that way.

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    Does anyone know what the longer TT measurement is going to be for 08?

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    Anyone have a picture of a small built up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by erikerik
    I don't think I need more psychological edge; rather less of it.

    I already have a Reba 29, 80 mm.
    I was being a smart azz, it comes easy for me.....

    I figured you had the Reba 80 already.

    Again, what is the A-C of the 80mm fork if you want an opinion from someone who has never had one. (I'll try to behave myself this time. )
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    I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a Canzo.

    Those of you in this thread with Canzo's have any long term reviews?

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    I've now had my Canzo for 6 months, raced it at 24 hours in the old pueblo and just recently at Dawn til Dusk (12 hour race). I had ridden both of those coursed on my hardtail soma and boy what a difference. I have found very little to complain about with this bike. I rarely lock out the shock since even while climbing out of the saddle I get very little bob. So far the bike has been really solid, although I have yet to REALLY punish it. That will have to wait until the snow melts off the higher trails. The only real problem is that in the small frame there is not enough room for a large water bottle. It sticks out to one side a bit and you have to pick whether you want to use your right or left hand to grab it. The second set of braze-ons under the down tube are pretty much useless as you can't reach a bottle stored there.

    In response to the questions about fork height. I have been riding mine with the 80 mm Marzzochi fork on it and it seems to work pretty well. I am certainly in a slightly more forward position, but you really only notice that the first time you jump on the bike. Once you get used to it it rides great.

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    It's a shame that the largest size the Canzo comes in is 20''.


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    It's a shame I don't have the green for one of these things RIGHT NOW. That's what the shame is.

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    Sweet bike slocaus what size frame do you have? I'm thinking about getting one soon. I'm 5'11". I do not want to get a bigger frame than i need that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timan
    I own Kona King Kikapu for many years and I got to say the rear of that Canzo is a dead ringer for the rear of the Kona. Something to think about. Fwiw my Kona rides real well and treated me fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnachos
    Sweet bike slocaus what size frame do you have? I'm thinking about getting one soon. I'm 5'11". I do not want to get a bigger frame than i need that's for sure.
    I'd go with the Large - I'm 5'11" too and the Medium feels a little small to me, definately smaller than my Med. RIP9.

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    I've had mine since the fall, but didn't ride much in the winter. Its a fine bike - not much to say in that arena. The shock has loads of compression damping so its not as plush as, say, a RIP. I've got a friend whos going to swap me his Fox RP23 just to try out (which it whats on the RIP too...) Hopping up and down on any bike w/ a fox it always seems softer (RIP, Yeti, Rocky mountain, specialized, etc). What I *AM* sure of, the rear shock is NOT a good match for a bone stock Manitou minute. The fork has too little compression damping in comparison. The front end dives and the rear kicks up on the faster downhill stuff. Pretty scary. Im going to change the oil in the fork today to play w/ that. No complaints about the frame though.

    BTW, Im running the high offset minute TA fork to get the trail closer to 26ers so the steering is very similar to the specialized Epic I came from (which has very fast handling.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnachos
    Sweet bike slocaus what size frame do you have? I'm thinking about getting one soon. I'm 5'11". I do not want to get a bigger frame than i need that's for sure.
    I'm on a large. I'm 6'3" with long legs (37 inseam), long arms (37 sleeve) and a short torso; sitting in a chair, you would never expect me to unfold so high up in the air. Having been tall my entire life (over 6' at age 14), I want to ride the smallest bike I can to minimize any flex, whether an mtb of any kind, or road bike. If I was buying this frame at your height, I'd get a medium, but that depends on arm / leg / torso / flexibility / riding style as well.

    My bike has been perfect since I got it rolling in Nov. 2007; I live in CA and ride year round. My 2008 year to date TopoFusion stats show 779.51 mi / 93799 ft total ascent; that is not all the Canzo, some SS and some road bike, but 75% is the Canzo. I cannot stay off it.

    I have nothing but good to say for it. Never lock the rear shock, 99% on platform, and rarely unlocked for bigger downhills. I changed to a shorter stem with more rise to get steep downhill position set. New 180mm crank set, Mikesee tubeless wheels with Hope Pro 2 and Stan's Arch.

    I see what smdubovsky states about difference in rear shock and front fork compression, however I have a WB Magic 100 that is known to be more XC stiff than plush, and the combo is well balanced for my riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Anyone have a picture of a small built up?
    not yet, but I've got one coming my way soon...

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    I had a small for a month or so. It was too small, so I sold it to someone here on MTBR and got a medium (luckily was able to get another 07).

    Small built up:





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    I need a shorter stem for the medium to give it slightly better steering, but otherwise it's great.

    I don't have a ton of time on the frame since I've been doing a lot of XC racing. I used the small Canzo for a few races, but have gone back to racing my Dos Niner due to weight (there's about a 3.5-4lbs difference).

    I have the Canzo with the 100mm Reba. I think the bike climbs really well and descends pretty good. I can definitely tell the difference on the bike with the Stans 355 rims vs. the Arch rims that are on there now (I used the 355's at first).

    But, it'll most likely be my go-to bike this summer unless we're doing DH stuff. I'm looking forward to riding it more once the racing is over (it's getting close with only 1-2 races left this spring).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aword4you
    I had a small for a month or so. It was too small, so I sold it to someone here on MTBR and got a medium (luckily was able to get another 07).
    Where was the first picture taken? Are these recent? I haven't been riding since March 1, is Marshall canyon really that green right now? SO jealous.

    Are these from group rides, are you guys super badass, or can not so awesome people tag along on these rides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Where was the first picture taken? Are these recent? I haven't been riding since March 1, is Marshall canyon really that green right now? SO jealous.

    Are these from group rides, are you guys super badass, or can not so awesome people tag along on these rides?
    First picture was taken at Cocktail Rock early on our "last chance VQ" training ride in mid-February.

    Second picture was at Marshall Canyon for STR's huge group ride (we rode in the A group, though) on Mar 22.

    Third photo of the new medium frame was it's inaugural bit of dirt at STR's Idyllwild camping weekend in early April.

    We ride with lots of different people, and sometimes ride with small groups. Just depends on what is going on. Most of this year was spent training for VQ with a small group (it's hard to do training with more than like 3-4 people), and since then we've done a few group rides, but lots of races also.

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    VooDoo "Danzo"

    Had to strip some parts off the Salsa Dos Niner to get the "Danzo" up and running. Eventually (when Manitou ships the black thru axle Minute) I'll put the new Manitou and the new wheelset on it and return the Reba and American Classic wheels to the Dos Niner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prodigal Son
    Had to strip some parts off the Salsa Dos Niner to get the "Danzo" up and running. Eventually (when Manitou ships the black thru axle Minute) I'll put the new Manitou and the new wheelset on it and return the Reba and American Classic wheels to the Dos Niner.
    What makes you think one picture is enough, especially for us Canzo owners. More, more, more; Rah, rah, rah!!

    Mine would be a Tanzo or Timzo, doesn't work for me, but I like yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    What makes you think one picture is enough, especially for us Canzo owners. More, more, more; Rah, rah, rah!!

    Mine would be a Tanzo or Timzo, doesn't work for me, but I like yours.
    Timzo, Once I got it put together, I took off into the woods, before I could take any more pictures. I can tell you it was a chore removing the paint to get the look I wanted. John at VooDoo provided most of the stickers. The Danzo stickers I got at a local store. The frame is a large. The new XTR shifters are butter smooth but I sort of preferred my old Srams because you didn't have to worry about accidentally shifting 2-3 gears by putting too much pressure against the lever. I suppose I'll adapt to it. I'm really looking forward to getting a black Manitou Minute with thru axle to stiffen up the front end. I'll get some more pictures up sometime.

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    That rear suspension looks suspiciously like a Horst Link. Is it?

    I find that the Horst works well on my Spec Enduro, but my son's GF Supercaliber (29) has a single pivot rear suspension that also works very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leer13
    That rear suspension looks suspiciously like a Horst Link. Is it?

    I find that the Horst works well on my Spec Enduro, but my son's GF Supercaliber (29) has a single pivot rear suspension that also works very well.
    not a Horst Link - it's a standard 4-bar design
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    Any comparisons between the Canzo and the KHS Flagstaff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flankerdog
    Any comparisons between the Canzo and the KHS Flagstaff?
    The Flagstaff has a Horst suspension and 3 1/2 inches of travel front and rear. I would like to at least take a look at the Flagstaff before I dive into a 29er, but they do seem to be available. I emailed KHS and I have yet to hear back from them. From the pics I've seen of the Flagstaff, it a good looking machine.

    Build-wise the Canzo takes the cake over the Flagstaff.

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    the khs flagstaff = a crap bike, I test rode one the other day and it was horrible. it was awkwardly set up and they dont even have an XL in their factory yet.

    they large is a 19", the 20" canzo = much better. I rode a kona hei hei 2-9 and I thought the quality was way better

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    prodigal: that stripped frame looks hot in natural...did you media blast it?
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    I have to agree the stripped frame looks great! I can't wait until I get my own.

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    The stripped frame does look good, but I still like the green color of mine.
    Get out and Ride!!

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    Winter's got me shut in and bored...so I went back and re-visited this thread and I was struck by how many people took a look at it (14,000+) and how a good value on a good product gets alot of people's interest. My son's Canzo's still going strong and nothing's broken or even worn out yet - not even the bearings - but I do alot of service on our bikes. I've seen several used Canzos for sale and was wondering if you're hanging onto them and if so - how they're holding up for the rest of you? Love to hear what you think about this bike after two years.

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    Black is the color for 2009. Looks like it means business!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Winter's got me shut in and bored...so I went back and re-visited this thread and I was struck by how many people took a look at it (14,000+) and how a good value on a good product gets alot of people's interest. My son's Canzo's still going strong and nothing's broken or even worn out yet - not even the bearings - but I do alot of service on our bikes. I've seen several used Canzos for sale and was wondering if you're hanging onto them and if so - how they're holding up for the rest of you? Love to hear what you think about this bike after two years.
    Mine is getting alot of miles, lots of smiles, and gives back the love with pure joy! No way I will sell this. and nothing else even tempts me to look twice.

    I'm in sunny California, and we have 147.83 miles, 25873 feet total ascent, and 31 hours together on the trail already this year.

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    agu - LOVE the black!! In this economy that may be the big seller of '09.

    slocaus - thanks for the pics - I'm glad to see you're still rockin the Canzo!!! I'm envious of your Cali climate - it was 6 degrees here this a.m. in KY and we had our power knocked out by an ice storm last week for 4 days.

    Thanks for the quick replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    agu - LOVE the black!! In this economy that may be the big seller of '09.

    slocaus - thanks for the pics - I'm glad to see you're still rockin the Canzo!!! I'm envious of your Cali climate - it was 6 degrees here this a.m. in KY and we had our power knocked out by an ice storm last week for 4 days.

    Thanks for the quick replies.
    Thanks for rebooting the thread!

    It was about 80 degrees in the pictures above, now we have some welcome rain.
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    beautiful slo.

    I still don't like the top of the top tube cable routing on the '08/'09 Canzos (Are you hearing me Voodoo??).

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    Mines half unbuilt in the garage. I rode it for quite a while until the bad Monarch shock just became too frustrating. I got the shock warrantied, and then I hardly rode it anymore. I need to get it back in working order. It has a Speedhub, which makes it feel heavy and slow overall.

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    I'm liking the 09 Black quite a bit. Never was fond of the green. Here's mine:

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    so, i see that for 2009, Voodoo redesigned the top tube (got rid of the curve) and transferred the cable stpos/guides on the top.

    any other changes except for the color and the obvious ones on the top tube?

    me, i'm still digging the looks of the 07-08.

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    That black is sharp, if I decide to go with a FS that will be it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Mines half unbuilt in the garage. I rode it for quite a while until the bad Monarch shock just became too frustrating. I got the shock warrantied, and then I hardly rode it anymore. I need to get it back in working order. It has a Speedhub, which makes it feel heavy and slow overall.
    Mine's got the MC 3.3 shock which I really like and have had no problems with at all. They said the Monarch was supposed to be better?? Sounds like it's not as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Black is the color for 2009. Looks like it means business!
    Now that is a wise color change from the green. Kudos to Voodoo!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2X
    so, i see that for 2009, Voodoo redesigned the top tube (got rid of the curve) and transferred the cable stpos/guides on the top.

    any other changes except for the color and the obvious ones on the top tube?

    me, i'm still digging the looks of the 07-08.
    The change to straight TT and top cable routing was changed in 08. Mine is the 07 with curved TT and under TT cable guides which I prefer.

    I probably would not buy the 08-09 because of the above TT cable routing. I like my green, too many black bikes out there, in my opinion. thesergeant, I like the white bike! I have as much sliver components on mine as possible, and the white Minute 29er 120 TA. I just do not have any up to date pictures showing the bike.

    I have changed wheels, fork, brakes, shifters, rear derailleur, grips, saddle, since the earlier pictures in this thread.
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    I've been eyeing this bike since y'all started this thread. I had an epic stolen, had to build a bike on an extremely tight budget and ended up getting an 06 Paragon for free (the yellow one) but it doesn't set up well for me... plus, I'm not nearly as good a rider on a hardtail (not to mention I weigh 230 and my body feels beat to hell and back when I put in the miles I want). I've got my Paragon spec'd out with all XT, Raceface, and a Push'd Reba (true frankenbike effort, my budget was so tight it took me two weeks of classifieds and ebay to get a halfway decent build together for under $650 but I did it).

    I'm hoping to catch a great deal on a Canzo frame and just swap everything over sometime soon. I love the pics guys, and your commentary is reassuring... definitely seems like the best budget minded FS 29er out there. I had a random question, any of you guys ever try and set the Canzo up as a 69er (running a 26 in the rear)? With the steep HT and ST angles (relatively anyway, 72 and 74 on the medium I believe), seems like it would set up really well.

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    glad to hear so many good reviews of the canzo.

    how does it do on the steep descents? im concerned about the 72 head tube angle. seems more XC race than Trail bike (comparing to 26er geometries at least). Thoughts?

    would a 120mm fork fix that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattKHS
    glad to hear so many good reviews of the canzo.

    how does it do on the steep descents? im concerned about the 72 head tube angle. seems more XC race than Trail bike (comparing to 26er geometries at least). Thoughts?

    would a 120mm fork fix that?
    Look hard at my post #121. I have a Minute 120mm TA on mine, it rawks the rocks and steep steeps. Do it, nuttin' better at the price, and will go up against much pricier shiz.....

    More evidence in support of running 120mm fork.
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    sounds like a 120 is the way to go! My HT is XC enough, im looking for budget FS 29er, and the vodoo looks like a great frame.

    I was looking around for a used one, and nothing comes up on ebay, or craigs list for my area. Must be a good sign right!
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    Here you go! - a brand new Canzo frame from a dedicated 29er-exclusive shop for only $699.00 (small and large). Sweet deal.

    http://bike29.com/catalog/voodoo-can...ame-p-380.html
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    Black Canzo Availability??

    When will the Black Canzos be available? BTI say "0" on all sizes
    Even the Voodoo site mentions nothing about Black

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    We (VooDoo distributors here in the Philippines) just ordered a bunch of frames from VooDoo HQ - including the black Canzo. They've just taken delivery of new stocks. So I guess the BTI database should be updated soon!

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    damn i have a jet 9 but that deal just makes me want to build a new bike with money i dont have....

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    I was able to ride a Canzo for a few days and came away pretty impressed. Nice bike for the money. Biggest problem, frame sizing.
    Hey Voodoo, how about giving us a larger sized frame for us taller guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I was able to ride a Canzo for a few days and came away pretty impressed. Nice bike for the money. Biggest problem, frame sizing.
    Hey Voodoo, how about giving us a larger sized frame for us taller guys?
    how tall are you? and what is the size you rode?
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    I'm 6'5" and I rode the large. I've always enjoyed long TT and I can't believe Voodoo doesn't make something for us tall guys. It is a descent riding frame.

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    Do you guys happen to know the RETAIL price and COST price of the Canzo?

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    slo - its good to see you still riding that thing. I take it you like it. I'm | | this close to ordering one. Just have to convince the business partner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    slo - its good to see you still riding that thing. I take it you like it. I'm | | this close to ordering one. Just have to convince the business partner...
    Riding it I am. I am 2000% happy and satisfied with this bike!

    In the month of March, it carried me 425 miles and 74,000+ plus feet of climbing. Between March 21 and 31 I did about 80 miles and 16,000 feet in three rides.

    Stuff like this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug67
    Do you guys happen to know the RETAIL price and COST price of the Canzo?
    I am trying to find out the retail price of the 09' Canzo... Anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug67
    I am trying to find out the retail price of the 09' Canzo... Anybody know?
    I don't know if this is an 09 or not but: http://bike29.com/catalog/voodoo-canzo-p-310.html

    I would think 09's would be going for maybe $850 or more?

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    I love!!!! my Canzo!! I see a taller person wishing for a bigger frame.. but being shorter (5-8ish) it's really the first 29er that I have ridden that fits us short people well. I love riding it!!

    It's the first full squish 29er I've seen that is affordable, and well designed. Do wish it wasn't green but I have taken the "Green" theme and gone completely wild with it for fun!!

    Will post a few pics later today after I get the last of the "bling" bolted up
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    dang thomllama, your post count is even higher than fo's Let's see that green gone wild canzo
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    well here it is.... "the Ride-iculous!!!"



    and larger /upclose!!


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    size

    standing at 5' 11 3/4" and a 32" inseam not sure which size to order 20" or 18". my SS is a 19" with a ETT of 24.1" and 30" stand over, Anyone help please as I don't want one to big or small...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat
    standing at 5' 11 3/4" and a 32" inseam not sure which size to order 20" or 18". my SS is a 19" with a ETT of 24.1" and 30" stand over, Anyone help please as I don't want one to big or small...
    Hey mattybfat (sobi). Anyway, this info should help you. I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam. I have a 2008 Canzo in Medium size. Because I have a longer torso than legs its hard to get my seat back far enough. I have a pretty good cockpit area now though with a set back post and 80mm stem. I would think a large for you, or a medium with a longer stem would work. On second thought... did that help at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Hey mattybfat (sobi). Anyway, this info should help you. I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam. I have a 2008 Canzo in Medium size. Because I have a longer torso than legs its hard to get my seat back far enough. I have a pretty good cockpit area now though with a set back post and 80mm stem. I would think a large for you, or a medium with a longer stem would work. On second thought... did that help at all?
    MattybFat, I'm about the same as Wish is.. 5-8 to 5-9 with a 30 in seam.. the bike above is a 16 (small) and fits me well... I also have a longer torso as he stated and have issues with getting my butt back enough so I'm not putting to much weight on my hand.

    personally I think the medium should work fine for you with a slightly longer stem. another thing I have found is DON'T cut your fork tube right off.. or cut it a bit long... if the bike feels small in the leg you can lift both the seat and bars a bit. if it feels short or long change the stem. I have a very short stem on mine because I broke my neck years ago and have issues with riding tucked down with my head tilting back (to look up) SO i sit in a more upright position than most people do.

    if you are still unsure, try writing Voodoo directly.. they usually respond pretty fast during the week and are very helpful!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat
    standing at 5' 11 3/4" and a 32" inseam not sure which size to order 20" or 18". my SS is a 19" with a ETT of 24.1" and 30" stand over, Anyone help please as I don't want one to big or small...
    What size stem do you have on the existing bike? Is it a 29 or 26 wheel? Do you know head and seat angles?

    I am a big proponent of sizing bikes based on VTT first and considering standover. The biggest concern for me on a new bike when in between sizing, is what stem changes will be needed to get my cockpit set. A shorter stem will quicken steering, a longer one will slow steering but add more high speed stability. I do not like to make huge changes in stem length to get bike fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    What size stem do you have on the existing bike? Is it a 29 or 26 wheel? Do you know head and seat angles?

    I am a big proponent of sizing bikes based on VTT first and considering standover. The biggest concern for me on a new bike when in between sizing, is what stem changes will be needed to get my cockpit set. A shorter stem will quicken steering, a longer one will slow steering but add more high speed stability. I do not like to make huge changes in stem length to get bike fit.

    HTH
    29er- stem is 120 but using FU bars "big sweep" ST 73 and HT 72

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat
    29er- stem is 120 but using FU bars "big sweep" ST 73 and HT 72
    Well that complicates things!

    My initial feeling was to say medium, but that bar and stem makes it tougher. Do you plan to run that bar on the Canzo? Also, are you really comfortable with the cockpit on your existing bike, or would you change it still?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Well that complicates things!

    My initial feeling was to say medium, but that bar and stem makes it tougher. Do you plan to run that bar on the Canzo? Also, are you really comfortable with the cockpit on your existing bike, or would you change it still?
    no not going to run the bar and yes really hoping to get that same feel but realize this is a sussy and not the ridge SS i'm running now. I have been on sussys 26ers for the last13yrs and the latest was a large nomad but that cockpit just seemed tight ETT was short and I don't want to run into that situation again thats why I was leaning towards the 20", I know it is a differnt animal then the nomad . I was hoping to see if someone my size could give a perspective, Thanks.

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    As you likely saw in this thread, I am taller, long arms and legs, short torso, on a large. I was riding a rigid SS One One exclusively when I built this Canzo, and basically replicated the cockpit with an inch shorter VTT on the Canzo. All dimensions are identical between the two except the rigid SS bars are about 1/2 inch lower since standing climbing is better that way.

    I have had dozens of MTBs since I got my first one in 1979. And I am very happy with it. I am thinking that the 20 is the better choice now as well. Good luck with the decision.
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    you guys suck!

    here i am perfectly content with my quiver of bikes and the amount of money in my bank account.

    thought i would read up on the canzo just for the heck of it.

    D*mmit!!! why do you guys have to have such good reviews!!


    okay tech questions- i'm 5'8 ride 17 wanga with the top tube barely grazing the family jewels. comparing the geometry with the canzo the 16 should be better for me right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat
    no not going to run the bar and yes really hoping to get that same feel but realize this is a sussy and not the ridge SS i'm running now. I have been on sussys 26ers for the last13yrs and the latest was a large nomad but that cockpit just seemed tight ETT was short and I don't want to run into that situation again thats why I was leaning towards the 20", I know it is a differnt animal then the nomad . I was hoping to see if someone my size could give a perspective, Thanks.
    I'm 6' with a 33" inseam and a running a 20" Canzo. Standover is tight but doable. I based my frame size on ETT first, then look at the other aspects. The 20" Canzo ETT is right where I want to be... One thing that kind of messed me up though is the steep ST angle (74 deg.) I think. Even though the TT was where I wanted it, initially I felt a little cramped in the cockpit. That feeling went away after a couple of rides though. Hope this helps.

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    Still no word on the Canzo's. Waiting to hear back from Voodoo but nothing yet. Would like to have something built for the summer. Still leary of the long C/S and wheelbase even though they dont give a dimension. Anyone have the wheelbase dimension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    Still no word on the Canzo's. Waiting to hear back from Voodoo but nothing yet. Would like to have something built for the summer. Still leary of the long C/S and wheelbase even though they dont give a dimension. Anyone have the wheelbase dimension?
    18" at a minimum and maybe up to 18.2 I think.

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    C/S is 18.3 but no dimension listed for wheelbase. I saw Specialized FSR Expert wheelbase is 45.9, I dont think I can ride something that long where Im at and enjoy it everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    C/S is 18.3 but no dimension listed for wheelbase. I saw Specialized FSR Expert wheelbase is 45.9, I dont think I can ride something that long where Im at and enjoy it everywhere.
    I don't think you'll notice a difference at all. Plenty of Stmpies out there being ridden and no one is complaining

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    C/S is 18.3 but no dimension listed for wheelbase. I saw Specialized FSR Expert wheelbase is 45.9, I dont think I can ride something that long where Im at and enjoy it everywhere.
    IMHO the Canzo is plenty capable going up or down tight switchbacks. I've never really worried about wheelbase when it comes to bikes. Now you've probably jinxed me and that's all I will think about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycljunkie
    Now you've probably jinxed me and that's all I will think about!
    That's why we should all be out riding instead of reading this crap That's where I would be if I wasn't stuck at work right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherrybomber
    here i am perfectly content with my quiver of bikes and the amount of money in my bank account.

    thought i would read up on the canzo just for the heck of it.

    D*mmit!!! why do you guys have to have such good reviews!!


    okay tech questions- i'm 5'8 ride 17 wanga with the top tube barely grazing the family jewels. comparing the geometry with the canzo the 16 should be better for me right?

    btw any clydes out there with feedback on this ride?

    I'm 5'9" with a 29-30" inseam.. the 16 works perfect it's the one ya want!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    C/S is 18.3 but no dimension listed for wheelbase. I saw Specialized FSR Expert wheelbase is 45.9, I dont think I can ride something that long where Im at and enjoy it everywhere.
    I ride it through ridiculous twisty stuff with out an issue. Actually like it a bit better for it because it's more "stable" at slower speeds with the bigger wheels.
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    That's why we should all be out riding instead of reading this crap That's where I would be if I wasn't stuck at work right now
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    Nice looking frame indeed. The rear end does look strikingly similar to the Kona Kikapu frames from 2005 or thereabouts.
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    I currently ride a SS fully rigid bike, but am looking around at different options for a geared cross-country/Xterra race bike. Salsa Dos Niner is looking very good to me.

    Would the Canzo 29 be too plush for this sort of racing? Sure, on a smooth course one would probably want a hardtail, but in terms of choosing a single race bike for many conditions, this is starting to look very good to me.

    The reasonable price for the frame means I could adorn it with some nice bits.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    I'm 5'9" with a 29-30" inseam.. the 16 works perfect it's the one ya want!!
    What he said!

    And, stick a 120mm fork up front and call it The Hulk.

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    Agu you got any inside scoop when the '09s are landing in the states

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    I am reluctant to post measurements, since deciding if you can or cannot ride a bike based on numbers is a mental barrier, in my opinion.

    There have been many mental barriers broken over the years. We have ran faster, jumped higher, climbed more, jumped bigger gaps, descended steeper, than was ever thought possible. The only limit on this "long" bike is in the muscle between my ears.

    My Large / 20 inch has 18.25 chainstays and 44.75 wheelbase with a 120mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat
    Agu you got any inside scoop when the '09s are landing in the states
    Hi Matty. We just received our next shipment here in the Philippines, and we were excited about the prospect of getting a look at the 09 black Canzos.

    Alas, VooDoo HQ sent us a green one (we explicitly ordered black). We've contacted them for clarification. I guess the production of the black ones got delayed...

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    Sorry to be ignorant but isnt it just paint? Why the delay, "2010" models will be here in 5 months from most manufactures. A little off topic, who makes the Voodoo frames? Some of the Taiwain factories are better than others right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    Sorry to be ignorant but isnt it just paint? Why the delay, "2010" models will be here in 5 months from most manufactures. A little off topic, who makes the Voodoo frames? Some of the Taiwain factories are better than others right?
    Not be be mean or anything, but I think you're starting to over think this.
    The Canzo is a great bike, especially for the $850 or what ever they cost now.
    I don't think you'd notice much difference between model years except for color.
    And Voodoo has always been known as a pretty descent company so I wouldn't worry about which Taiwanese factory it was made in too much.
    I rode one for a few days and though wow, nice bike for the money. Plus, reasonably efficient on the trails and solid.
    Just go buy one and have fun !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Not be be mean or anything, but I think you're starting to over think this.
    The Canzo is a great bike, especially for the $850 or what ever they cost now.
    I don't think you'd notice much difference between model years except for color.
    And Voodoo has always been known as a pretty descent company so I wouldn't worry about which Taiwanese factory it was made in too much.
    I rode one for a few days and though wow, nice bike for the money. Plus, reasonably efficient on the trails and solid.
    Just go buy one and have fun !!!!
    You're not being mean, you're right. I just have such a bad fit with my Prophet that I bought sight unseen Im very hesitant to do it again. Dont have the money to keep experimenting either. Thanks for all the input.

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    Anyone know WHERE or WHEN the Black frame is/will be available?
    Any ETA's from VooDoo?

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    the black canzo is a myth. like big foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by siv
    Sorry to be ignorant but isnt it just paint? Why the delay, "2010" models will be here in 5 months from most manufactures. A little off topic, who makes the Voodoo frames? Some of the Taiwain factories are better than others right?
    there's also the rear shock. the new one comes witha "custom" monarch shock which from the picture looks like a 3.2 monarch while the old one has the 4.2.


    im wondering if the custom 3.2 will be a performance improvement over the 4.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherrybomber
    there's also the rear shock. the new one comes witha "custom" monarch shock which from the picture looks like a 3.2 monarch while the old one has the 4.2.


    im wondering if the custom 3.2 will be a performance improvement over the 4.2
    Nothing wrong with the 4.2 IMHO. I actually like it better than the RP23 that was on my Sultan.

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    I know this is an old post, but I think you need to lengthen your chain, that is way too tight in that gear combo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mattKHS
    the black canzo is a myth. like big foot.

    You ain't kidding I'm starting to think so too, I've called just about every online dealer with same response " a I don't know ". So I stopped at my LBS who gets from BTI and said two weeks and that was two weeks ago and now it's another two weeks as thier on the big pond as we speak. Sent e-mails to [email protected] was told four weeks four weeks ago so sent another e-mail no response Man WTF. I'm starting to think Pirates must of Hijacked this shipment. Sorry I just got some loot to burn and new bike fever.

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    ha! we are gonna see Somalian pirates riding 09 black canzos on the news.
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    Online shop called BTI and was told that they're here.
    They expect to have the black frames in their shop, ready to ship out for orders....THIS week.

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    The forums says I don't post enough, so here goes.

    I too would like to know when these frames will be available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalwrench
    The forums says I don't post enough, so here goes.

    I too would like to know when these frames will be available?
    well it says I WAY over post.. even though I think I Actually have like 25 post here it says I have what.. 4 million or something? hmmmm

    well.. here's a little vid of me on the canzo doing a little bunny hop... was more testing settings for slo-mo vids but it's sorta cool.

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    Nice video editing there...

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    Adrenaline Bikes has "09"s listed but still the green picture so not sure, maybe I should call them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ck42
    Online shop called BTI and was told that they're here.
    They expect to have the black frames in their shop, ready to ship out for orders....THIS week.

    wooohoo! someone finally paid the somali pirate ransom!
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    Ok, well you all saw this one:
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/TmzcRw5weYrQbC-JizuLRQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCMKhorz7i8_5tAE&feat=embedwe bsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/SnkONs6bm2I/AAAAAAAAEnE/A3VCNPtbfoQ/s400/P8040971.JPG" /></a>

    Now, here is the reincarnation. Meet Deja:

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KigM0UNgUf2p7Ktl7C7vZg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3Hhb8gT8I/AAAAAAAAEqM/E2RpkXSk4-o/s800/P9010976.JPG" /></a>

    Note the green bits in honor of the swamp green Canzo.

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    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lBnv1_ycRmDcqtJ9Kv_fZA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HlY-m6-I/AAAAAAAAEqU/TbgzZvDia24/s800/P9010978.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/57K3tD_Iy6glmexLF8PU6A?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HnJQ_WdI/AAAAAAAAEqY/aBhSEnCEF-g/s800/P9010979.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Xcs8moX8_fR-oEVDNSwOwg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HrVzBQ-I/AAAAAAAAEqg/Btar4o7hJho/s800/P9010981.JPG" /></a>

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VTbLrfBpbMyPJklb11zl0g?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HtDkmhHI/AAAAAAAAEqk/AWrMbDmL5Rg/s800/P9010982.JPG" /></a>

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    Yeah, I know, "Deja Voodoo" is a little warped, but I cannot help myself.

    Huge props to Voodoo Cycles in how they handled this warranty. I have seen frames broken where just the main triangle is replaced, and you have to use the old rear triangle, pivots, shock, etc. This was a complete frame, stays, and new shock to boot. They did not even want the old frame back, so I have an extra derailleur hanger and shock now. That my friends is great customer service!

    I was so heart broken at loosing my green bike that I contemplated selling the new frame and getting something else. When I realized that Voodoo was going to replace the entire frame with a complete new one, and knowing how I loved the old bike, why change?

    The geometry of this new bike is very different. I dug out the old specs and compared them to the new one. What changed? Seat tube angle, head tube angle, effective top tube length, bottom bracket height, chain stay length, stand over. I only have one short ride on it, and that tells me that the bike handles better, but I hurt my back while riding my rigid SS down too technical a trail, so I do not have a full fair evaluation.

    I'll post up what the actual specs and changes are between the 2007 I had and the 2009 I now have.when I can get a few more good rides on it. I like the Radium RL shock on here as well, and will mount the original MC3.3+ to get a comparison.

    I'm going to get this in a couple Canzo threads since I want others to know what great customer service that Voodoo has and the changes between the bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Meet Deja:
    Glad to hear that you are back in action.

    I had a like/hate relationship with my 08 (green) Canzo. Mostly it was the darn Monarch shock. I had a bad one that I rode for too long. RS finally replaced it, but even then I wasn't very impressed. My friend had a Fox RP3 sitting around he let me try, and it is WAY better. I just got back from 3 days of riding at Lake Tahoe CA, and I had a really great time.

    My only other grips about the frame are the TT cables, but mainly that my wheel (could be my wheel) mounts off center. This makes the tire clearance very tight on the right chainstay and seatstay. But as long as I don't put on a larger tire I'm okay. But what if I want too?....

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    [QUOTE=slocaus]The geometry of this new bike is very different. I dug out the old specs and compared them to the new one. What changed?

    I'll post up what the actual specs and changes are between the 2007 I had and the 2009 I now have.when I can get a few more good rides on it. I like the Radium RL shock on here as well, and will mount the original MC3.3+ to get a comparison. /QUOTE]

    I hope you post the geo changes and your shock impressions back here. I'd like this info.

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    [QUOTE=Wish I Were Riding]
    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    The geometry of this new bike is very different. I dug out the old specs and compared them to the new one. What changed?

    I'll post up what the actual specs and changes are between the 2007 I had and the 2009 I now have.when I can get a few more good rides on it. I like the Radium RL shock on here as well, and will mount the original MC3.3+ to get a comparison. /QUOTE]

    I hope you post the geo changes and your shock impressions back here. I'd like this info.

    I'd like it too.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/T3qNj-ytZoE2N00WHKdI5Q?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HzinXyyI/AAAAAAAAEq0/cFp6YlZ_zXU/s800/P9010986.JPG" /></a>
    Good to see you are Back In Black! Would be interesting to compare notes with you re 07/08/09 differences. Apparently the green one VooDoo sent us a few months back was an 07! It seems a bit more compact than the newer model.

    Another question regarding the photo above - particularly the cable routing. Noticed your derailleur cables cross over each other...I don't recall seeing that on the other Canzos here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Another question regarding the photo above - particularly the cable routing. Noticed your derailleur cables cross over each other...I don't recall seeing that on the other Canzos here...

    ya, hmmm not sure if that's such a good idea..? isn't the cable rubbing on the brake cable stud there?
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    There will be Canzo LT in 120-140mm spectrum with Marz 44, maxle lite and still 750$, what say you?

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    slocaus, must say it looks fantastic in black! Nice bike fella, how do you find the cable routing- specifically the bits that run from the toptube to the chainstays? Looks like they may cause a few small issues? Rubbing anywhere on the mainframe or with the amount of flex going into the cables are they more prone to break there? Just comparing it to my Giant Reign more than anything- that runs down the downtube, and then curves up onto the rocker and then down the stays....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    There will be Canzo LT in 120-140mm spectrum with Marz 44, maxle lite and still 750$, what say you?
    29er?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama
    ya, hmmm not sure if that's such a good idea..? isn't the cable rubbing on the brake cable stud there?
    Looks like a pretty sweet cable routing job to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Another question regarding the photo above - particularly the cable routing. Noticed your derailleur cables cross over each other...I don't recall seeing that on the other Canzos here...
    That is just how I like my cable routing, going from the shifter to the opposite side of the bike, that way the cable does not rub the head tube by going down the same side. My green 07 Canzo did that and crossed under the down tube; it only had two cable guides for shifters, the front and middle ones, I used Avid Flack Jacket housing, so the cross over was in the full housing section after the middle cable guide, you just could not see it under the TT. You can see the loop around the head tube and just make out the cross over here at the left of this pixel array

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    On the black 09 Canzo, I do the same opposite side to loop around and those are Gore Sealed Low Friction Bike Cables "Ideal for mountain and cyclocross bikes, cables are completely protected from mud, dirt and the elements by continuous liners and GRUB™ Seals."

    You can see how they loop out from the head tube to eliminate rub (I have stick ons for rub too).
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/57K3tD_Iy6glmexLF8PU6A?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HnJQ_WdI/AAAAAAAAEqY/aBhSEnCEF-g/s800/P9010979.JPG" /></a>

    Stick ons more obvious here.
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    You can see how the cables are not touching the head tube when the the bars are straight ahead.
    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/T3qNj-ytZoE2N00WHKdI5Q?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_rrYqLPGLdY4/Sp3HzinXyyI/AAAAAAAAEq0/cFp6YlZ_zXU/s800/P9010986.JPG" /></a>

    So where the outer sheath hits the cable stops, there is a full length liner that goes from the shift lever to within an inch of the deraillers, i.e., the wire runs in a liner, and that is what you see, so the cross over has no friction. I am experimenting with running the cross over in front, behind, or on top of the center TT guide.

    Here you can see the "grub seal" on the front derailleur. It is an accordion boot, if you will that seals where the inner wire goes into the full length inner liner. Note that the grub is over the inner liner at the top and tight on the wire at the bottom. It compresses and elongates when you shift.
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    Same on the rear derailleur. A friend who does 24 hr / 100+ mile endurance races in dust and rain and mud recommended them, since they work for him in those horrible conditions. If I was British, I would say "manky" conditions, since it is one of my favorite British words.

    David, go away. This is about riding mountain bikes in the mountains, not about e-riding day dreams in front of a computer. When I see photographic proof of you actually out there in conditions that require your hair brained schemes, I will take you seriously. Until then, please just go away and leave this thread to those of us that actually ride our bikes in the mountains. Shoo, go away.
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