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    Trek Sawyer

    Seriously considering one, however, I wish I could learn more about it before I throw down a deposit on one. Has anyone heard any gossip about this bike? What assumptions can you extrapolate from the info that's already out there (see trek's website)?

    It look's heavy but maybe all the extra tubes are throwing my off. Will it be vertically compliant and laterally stiff? for some reason it looks like it would be a little noodlish to me but I just don't have a ton of experience (only been in the game for 1.5 yrs).

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    Yeah. Looks flexy.

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    IMO, it looks really sweet - I love the double top tubes from an aesthetic point of view. Would like to see some geo. numbers on it though.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBIkid
    IMO, it looks really sweet - I love the double top tubes from an aesthetic point of view. Would like to see some geo. numbers on it though.
    Geometry for all the Trek Fisher Collection bikes is on the website.

    The bike is suspension corrected for 80mm travel, is a double butted "Platinum Series" ChroMoly, and will not be offered as a frame set initially, but might be down the road.

    There are only a few pre-production units floating around right now, so no Sawyers out on the trails yet. I wouldn't expect to see anything for sale until after August.
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    inspired by space frames, no?

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    I'm going to order one from my LBS as soon as work picks up a bit.

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    well, i better order one before you guys buy them all up.
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    Need a SS version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Geometry for all the Trek Fisher Collection bikes is on the website.

    Hmm...can we call it "Friday morning hang over" on my part. Thanks Ted.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    IMO the spec doesn't justify the price, but it'll sell because it's sexy
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknphil
    Need a SS version.

    It's got sliding dropouts and a break in the dropout so you can run it SS or with a belt. I was told earliest arrival would be fall of this year, but not to expect them until late fall/early winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byknphil
    Need a SS version.
    Has sliding drops with a split for belt drive applications already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    will not be offered as a frame set initially, but might be down the road.
    Oh man I REALLY hope so!
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    I'm waiting on more info as well. I contacted my LBS but info is limited right now. Most importantly, I want to know frame and fork weight. If it's reasonable, I may retire my Redline Flight in favor of this bike. Been craving a belt-driven city bike for a while now. This bike and the new Shimano 11 speed Alfine should be available around the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talknopf
    inspired by space frames, no?
    aw man you totally hit the nail on the head
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    Quote Originally Posted by talknopf
    inspired by space frames, no?
    Uh, no. Common ancestor, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byknphil
    Need a SS version.
    Check the dropouts on the zoomed pic on the Trak site...it has swinging drop outs

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    I'm just glad to see a rigid-forked, geared steel 29er on the market. There aren't too many, and I think that is a nice kind of bike.

    That being said, the frame design is all about looks rather than function. Yes, it looks good. But, the extra tubes added on older bikes like the Schwinn Excelsior and British/Chinese/Indian work bikes were put there to compensate for the use of weak steel. Modern bikes don't use weak steel, so the double-diamond is a better way to go. Want it stiffer? Bump up the tubing diameter or increase tubing thickness? Want it more resilient? Decrease tubing diameter or decrease tubing thickness. The extra tubes don't get you there.

    Ditto on the curvy tubes. What do curvy tubes mean? Well, they mean straight gauge tubing, because it is quite difficult to get a nice curve on a butted tube if the curve is where a butt transition is. Tubes in the rear triangle have a good reason to be curved- for tire and crank clearance. Tubes in the front generally don't have a good reason for being curved. Even fork crown clearance can be pretty well accommodated by an extension below the dt/ht junction.

    All this being said, the weight penalty probably isn't that big compared to a double-diamond steel-framed bike. I remember my first mountain bike was a steel Trek- it was a 1991 Trek 990. Oversized, lugged steel with a Rock Shox RS1 fork. THAT frame was heavy. Add chunky lugs and heavy cast fittings to oversized tubes, and it is no lightweight. It wasn't until my third mountain bike, a Wicked Fat Chance, that I really came to appreciate steel.

    How will this one ride? Hard to say. The geometry is a known quantity, so the difference will be in the tubing. Chances are, with Taiwanese manufacture (I'm assuming, could be Chinese) and for a production bike that they don't want to have too many come back for warranty claims, the tubing won't be particularly light. That might please the "stiffer is better" crowd (and the Clydesdales), but I like 'em resilient, myself...

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    The Chrysler PT Cruiser of bicycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talknopf
    inspired by space frames, no?


    Pre war Schwinn's and Excelsior's to name a few .

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    Thanks for info! Not sure that I'm happy about my possible future bike being compared to a pt cruiser but maybe you're right.

    My lbs is so cool that they said they would be willing to take the parts into stock and price the frame appropriately if that is all I wanted! How cool is that?!

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    looks Jones-esque

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
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    Saw it in person at the Subaru Cup in WI. Didn't get a chance to pick it up for a feel on the weight, but it didn't look to heavy. The top two tubes are pretty skinny and the other tubes look to be on par in size to other steel bikes. The actual designer of the bike was there and had his personal prototype out and was riding it around. Might have to pick one up. It also has the split dropout so you can run a belt drive. Sawyer Pic

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    29xcal, don't tease me like that! for some reason the link won't work. i wonder if it's just my computer tho. thanks for trying anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    29xcal, don't tease me like that! for some reason the link won't work. i wonder if it's just my computer tho. thanks for trying anyways
    Ditto.

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    Sorry Guys, apparently twitpic out smarted me. I have uploaded it to picasa so all should be good. Sawyer Pic. You can use the download option to get the full size image.

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    ahh, i feel better now! thanks! i might have to trick one out with some of that new XTR

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    I guess I'll be in the very minority being very unimpressed with this uninspiring bike.

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    p nut, what don't you like about it? What kind of bike inspires you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Biker
    I'm just glad to see a rigid-forked, geared steel 29er on the market. There aren't too many, and I think that is a nice kind of bike.

    That being said, the frame design is all about looks rather than function. Yes, it looks good. But, the extra tubes added on older bikes like the Schwinn Excelsior and British/Chinese/Indian work bikes were put there to compensate for the use of weak steel. Modern bikes don't use weak steel, so the double-diamond is a better way to go. Want it stiffer? Bump up the tubing diameter or increase tubing thickness? Want it more resilient? Decrease tubing diameter or decrease tubing thickness. The extra tubes don't get you there.

    Ditto on the curvy tubes. What do curvy tubes mean? Well, they mean straight gauge tubing, because it is quite difficult to get a nice curve on a butted tube if the curve is where a butt transition is. Tubes in the rear triangle have a good reason to be curved- for tire and crank clearance. Tubes in the front generally don't have a good reason for being curved. Even fork crown clearance can be pretty well accommodated by an extension below the dt/ht junction.

    All this being said, the weight penalty probably isn't that big compared to a double-diamond steel-framed bike. I remember my first mountain bike was a steel Trek- it was a 1991 Trek 990. Oversized, lugged steel with a Rock Shox RS1 fork. THAT frame was heavy. Add chunky lugs and heavy cast fittings to oversized tubes, and it is no lightweight. It wasn't until my third mountain bike, a Wicked Fat Chance, that I really came to appreciate steel.

    How will this one ride? Hard to say. The geometry is a known quantity, so the difference will be in the tubing. Chances are, with Taiwanese manufacture (I'm assuming, could be Chinese) and for a production bike that they don't want to have too many come back for warranty claims, the tubing won't be particularly light. That might please the "stiffer is better" crowd (and the Clydesdales), but I like 'em resilient, myself...
    If you look on the web site it says "double-butted Platinum Cro-moly tubing. You might assume it is true temper OX Platinum. Sure they could make in wisconsin like the ferrous but at that price point probably taiwan and whats wrong with that?
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    That bike looks like it's a rush

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    hey that looks pretty sexy to me. did you notice the little extra arch piece in the fork? and it looks like double seat tube supports off the double top tubes. nice touches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    If you look on the web site it says "double-butted Platinum Cro-moly tubing. You might assume it is true temper OX Platinum. Sure they could make in wisconsin like the ferrous but at that price point probably taiwan and whats wrong with that?
    Hmm. "Platinum" doesn't mean much. Maybe it is True Temper OX Platinum. Probably not. I'm OK with Taiwan.... could be China though, which IMHO is a step down in quality. I guess what we really don't know is if the frame is light-ish and springy like, say Niner (yes, Taiwan made- like I said, I'm OK with that) or not-so-light but tough like, say, Vassago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Biker
    Hmm. "Platinum" doesn't mean much. Maybe it is True Temper OX Platinum. Probably not. I'm OK with Taiwan.... could be China though, which IMHO is a step down in quality. I guess what we really don't know is if the frame is light-ish and springy like, say Niner (yes, Taiwan made- like I said, I'm OK with that) or not-so-light but tough like, say, Vassago.
    I think you got it at tough and not so light. One of the things that Trek is determined to do is cut down on the warranties that GF had been dogged with.
    This bike looks like a reasonably priced "clunker" replica. Not a race bike bike not a trail grinder just a stylish replica of the original bikes Gary and the Mt tam crew rode.
    Unless True temper has a new tube set then OX is the only Platinum out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    p nut, what don't you like about it? What kind of bike inspires you?

    i'm not p-nut, but I'm with him.
    To me, form should always follow function. That does not appear to be the case with this bicycle - I do like the muted gray finish, be interested to see if that's how it comes out in production (doubting that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
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    Had to be the first to say it.
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    The Sawyer would definitely be cooler if it were Ti

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW
    The Sawyer would definitely be cooler if it were Ti
    The whole bike is MSRP $1429

    That is cooler then 25% percent lighter then steel and 200% more expensive.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    Unless True temper has a new tube set then OX is the only Platinum out there
    Just because Trek calls it platinum, doesn't mean it's True Temper OX Platinum. My gf had an aluminum Fisher Paragon from 10 years ago that said Platinum tubing. It definitely wasn't OX Plat.

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    I've been informed by my lbs that they wont be available in the UK "because they are making the sawyer in china the UK import duties on Chinese products are to high to make it worth while for Trek to import them here" That's what i was told and i don't believe a word of it tbh !!!!

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    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
    I know! That's why I'm only buying the frame. Still trying to decide if I should instead put that money towards something really sweet like a carbon air 9 or something. Another bike I've had a crush on lately is the singular swift and all the black sheep's. I know, they're all completely different bikes. I wish I could just have all of them!

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    Trek is ghey. always has been,always will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
    Exactly - see my post waaay up there ^^^^

    People are falling all over themselves for the way it looks. Seems to be the new American way, style over substance, just look around to see how it's working out.
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    Well this thread is making me feel better about my choice. I was feeling bad about ordering the Trek Cobia over the Sawyer, but after reading this thread, I feel alot better about my choice. Also saved over $300.
    Last edited by jgboys1; 06-29-2010 at 06:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
    pretty sad... with X5, should $999...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikecop
    did you notice the little extra arch piece in the fork?
    That arch in the fork looks to me like it would be a prime candidate for gunking up with wet leaves/snow/mud in the fall and winter. Looks pretty close to the top of the tire. It's definitley a neat looking frame. Though the headtube looks a little slack for tight new england riding at 69°. That would definitely be a frame I'd want to test ride before committing to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightscape
    Though the headtube looks a little slack for tight new england riding at 69°. That would definitely be a frame I'd want to test ride before committing to
    This is really nothing new...it's the G2 geometry. They mitigate the slack HA with more fork offset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
    As far as Gary Fisher and his "collection" goes, what you say about his company
    is what you say about society. Catch the mist, catch the myth.
    Catch the mystery, catch the drift.
    Well, thankfully...

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    Sawyer price

    I'll admit up front that I've already ordered one, but think I can see what the Trek bean counters were thinking when they spec'd/priced it this way. Compared to the $1,100 Cobia, the $1,429 Sawyer gets upgraded brakes, cranks, and cockpit bits that probably even much of the disparity in cost between the forks. Looking at the frames head-to-head then, it seems reasonable that the price per unit to develop and build a few thousand Sawyers out of nice quality steel (in Waterloo, I hope, although I'm not holding my breath) is going to cost way more than cranking out a bazillion more X-Cambias in Taiwan. I can see where it might cost an extra $300 to bring a Sawyer frame to market than a Cobia--that's less than the difference between a Niner EMD and MCR, for instance.

    Agree that the component spec's not much to my liking, but Trek probably wouldn't sell any more of these at $2k with Superfly builds than it will at the lower price point. Many of the ones sold, including mine, will be stripped down and reconfigured with better and/or SS builds right away--sort of like the Motobecane donor bikes, but in reverse.

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    anybody get to see one of these in person yet? if so, what was your impression?

    also wondering if anybody knows when they will arrive in the shops. I was told mid january but the way some of these treks are rolling out earlier than expected who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Well, thankfully...

    1.) His mind is not for rent, to any god or government
    2.) He's always hopeful, yet discontent
    3.) He knows changes aren't permanent. But change is...

    Quote Originally Posted by kev0153
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
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    Seriously on the floor...

    I wish I could add that little exchange to my signature...LOL. Funniest stuff I have seen all week on this forum! I don't know if there is enough room in my signature for the picture and the question, as well as people understanding the context of it. Plus it would peave people off due to how much room it would take up.

    Good stuff for sure!

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    JHK Sawyer SS with "Platinum Tubing"








    Like those bars.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    anybody get to see one of these in person yet? if so, what was your impression?

    also wondering if anybody knows when they will arrive in the shops. I was told mid january but the way some of these treks are rolling out earlier than expected who knows.

    I was told this November by my shop.

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    Sounds like you guys were on top of your pre-orders.

    This bike is not about the components,AND THERE IS NO FRAMESET OPTION like some wise man said they are all getting stripped down, so I guess we will see lots of Motobecanes with this build kit. And suspension forks on the front end.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    That JHK build is SEXY! I just thought it was a kind of cool bike until I saw that build. Awesome potential!

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    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppfeifer
    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.
    Actually their idea at Trek was that the Sawyer would be a "klunker-esque" type bike, so therefore the gears. Goes along with Gary's past, yada, yada, yada.....

    But yeah, I see the majority of these ending up as SS rigs, and don't forget, they have a split drop out, so you can run "The Belt", if you dare....

    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppfeifer
    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.
    I framesaver my bike when it is built and every year there after, (as neil young says "rust never sleeps")
    never heard of a frame being pretreated at the factory. Ferrous tubing is pretty thin that may explain the rust
    Like Ted says its a klunker, or check out Curtis Inglis, or Hunter, Its old school my man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
    I venture to guess that somebody at some point bent their riser bars either by accident or intentionally and ended up liking them better when leaned forward. Just a guess, anyway.

    Thanks for posting those pics! Can't wait until mine arrives, hopefully in November!!!

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    GT- Belt drive would be really cool, especially if it came with two belt/gear ratio offerings. I'm just sayin'.

    As far as the clunker thing goes, I'm not buying it. $1400 for a clunker is ridiculous. I can buy a crappy old beach cruiser and slap some parts on it for $150. $1400 is supposed to buy a retro bike that looks old but rides and handles like new. Below average (for this forum) X5 components should be getting razed by all of us.

    I hear ya, prphoto. I should have anticipated my rust issues since the Ferrous is made of a ferrous material. After Sunday (may last attempt at racing for 2010), I plan to strip the ol' bike down, clean out the rust (not to hijack this thread- but does anybody have suggestions?), and treat my frame.

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    what's the story with JHK's freewheel chain guard looking thingy? anybody know what he's using there?

    I agree that $1400 is asking too much for the complete bike. Normally, i wouldn't go for something like that (there are better options out there), however, my LBS said they would be willing to take the parts into stock and sell me just the frameset! How sweet is that?!

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    here's the link for those pictures and intereview

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    The reason I like it so much is exactly the reason some of you dislik it... The form! I have wanted a lynskey or blacksheep fo years but am unwilling to pay the premium for either at this point in life. So, the Sawyer comes along and blows me away with it's style. Can't wait to get my hands on one to turn it into a stylish commuter!

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    of course... its the form.
    especially in light that rigid mtb's are now coming in under 20lbs
    carbon road bikes are under 17lbs...

    personally... I like the form. I'm willing to ride a 26lb 29er in the old school double top tube fashion...

    especially when its a very capable all rounder
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    what's the story with JHK's freewheel chain guard looking thingy? anybody know what he's using there?
    They're Disco's, a thing from the past, thought out by Travis Brown. I think almost everybody now agrees - including mr. Brown himself, who apparantly does't run them anymore on his own ss bikes - that they are not that necessary to keep the chain on. Unless you and/or your mechanic are affraid that your inhumane powers do not match too well with a sloppy steel rearend? That, or you just think they look kinda cool.

    I would agree with the latter reasoning and think mr Horgan Kobelski's rig looks sweet overall!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er

    I agree that $1400 is asking too much for the complete bike. Normally, i wouldn't go for something like that (there are better options out there), however, my LBS said they would be willing to take the parts into stock and sell me just the frameset! How sweet is that?!
    I'd say somebody at your shop has to stop hitting the pipe Those parts aren't worth much for stock.
    But awesome for you, the first 2 questions everybody asked were, is there a frame only option and ...will they make it in titanium, the answer to both is dream on, so kudos on making one happen for you.
    I don't think 1400 is a lot for this bike compared to what?
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    Where can someone purchase those rear cog guides?

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    I'm wanting one to race next year, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy one without at least seeing it. I think Trek should have had a few of these out there for demo's this fall, Trek is going to miss the boat as far as I'm concerned. Another thing, the component group is a bit weak, just one step up from were it's at, and maybe that would justify the price. I'm more than likely going to build up a Vassago Bandersnatch 1 X 9er for next years XC race series, I at least know, and have seen the product!
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    It's going to be epic and you know it! Not to mention an instant classic!!! Just part out the rest of the stuff if you don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Actually their idea at Trek was that the Sawyer would be a "klunker-esque" type bike, so therefore the gears. Goes along with Gary's past, yada, yada, yada.....

    But yeah, I see the majority of these ending up as SS rigs, and don't forget, they have a split drop out, so you can run "The Belt", if you dare....

    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
    something to do with the name crivitz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Placebo
    That JHK build is SEXY! I just thought it was a kind of cool bike until I saw that build. Awesome potential!

    Ah, thank you It was a fun build. Clunky, but fun to ride. Was not supposed to be some fly weight like our race bikes. Just a good-ol cruising bike.

    "Is that a "No Shox" sticker on JHK's fork?"

    Ha, ha, no it is a "Rock Shox" sticker. I thought it would be funny to put on on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattomoto
    Ah, thank you It was a fun build. Clunky, but fun to ride. Was not supposed to be some fly weight like our race bikes. Just a good-ol cruising bike.

    "Is that a "No Shox" sticker on JHK's fork?"

    Ha, ha, no it is a "Rock Shox" sticker. I thought it would be funny to put on on there.

    Cheers
    Thanks for the info, that confirms my plans to build mine as a fun dedicated rigid SS, with Profile cranks to boot. How is tire clearance? I'm planning to use the new 29-4 tires which are a claimed 2.3.
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    I wish the Sawyer was available as frame only... I could see all sorts of fun projects resulting.

    Lets see... the Sawyer with an Alfine 11-speed hub sounds nice.

    The hold up for me is the lack of a "simple" suspension fork. I don't ride rigid. If only someone built a fork like the Atomlab G60 for a 29er (and with G2 offset) it would be perfect. Get the look of klunker fork but with something that won't be a bone shaker.

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    Has anyone ordered one of these yet? I’ve seen them on-line for $1200 to $1300, which doesn’t seem that out of line for a complete bike. A 4130 Chromo Retrotec lists for $1350, frame and no fork, and a Jones Space frame for $1500 with fork. These without single speed or belt options either. At least some of the components, bars, headset, brakes and possibly wheels would be decent enough to keep for a single speed conversion.

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    I've had one on backorder since a week after it was released. Current ETA is January. Full advertised retail is $1429.99. You should be able to get it for less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er
    Has anyone ordered one of these yet? I’ve seen them on-line for $1200 to $1300, which doesn’t seem that out of line for a complete bike. A 4130 Chromo Retrotec lists for $1350, frame and no fork, and a Jones Space frame for $1500 with fork. These without single speed or belt options either. At least some of the components, bars, headset, brakes and possibly wheels would be decent enough to keep for a single speed conversion.
    Out of curiosity, where have you seen them online for $1200? I'd like to know so that I can try to get some price matching done at my LBS. Thanks

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    I'm still not giving up on owning one of these, just frustrated with Trek. Would have liked to have one prior to the end of this riding season. What the heck, fresh ride for next spring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Out of curiosity, where have you seen them online for $1200? I'd like to know so that I can try to get some price matching done at my LBS. Thanks

    Maybe advertised for that price but you'd have to go and collect it.

    Why not just talk nicely to the LBS and see if they can swing you a deal without the hardball approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob
    Maybe advertised for that price but you'd have to go and collect it.

    Why not just talk nicely to the LBS and see if they can swing you a deal without the hardball approach?
    Well, I have been talking with them and in the past they have been really nice to me. In regards to the Sawyer, they said they would sell me the frameset for $750 and the complete for $1250. I'm having trouble deciding which option to go with. I already have all of the bling from another bike to make a sick single speed out of the frameset. Just wondering if rest of the stuff is worth $500 to me or somebody else if I wanted to sell it. If it was $1100 I would take it as a complete no question. Just not quite feeling the $1250 yet. Opinions are welcome!

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    i also go the $1250 quote from my favorite LBS. and i said "Order it up!" i will sort out the components later...but i am sure there will be some swapping and selling going on to fit my personal preference. i intend for it to be my beat around town bike and will be selling my current around town bike (Salsa Casseroll) to make room in the garage. it may see a little play time in the dirt...but that is really what the Black Cat 29er singlespeed is for, and i dont see myself leaving the Black Cat hangin' in the garage in favor of the Sawyer if i am heading to the woods!!

    i love the retro look, the toned-down color scheme, and the fact i could always rock it singlespeed in the future or even try out a belt system! it is just gonna be a play around bike that has lots a potential for whatrever future whims i may get!

    they are saying delivery in Jan. sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
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    Like those bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
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    Like those bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
    unleashing what fisher is dreaming costs extra I guess....plus, trek is the best, just ask them, they will tell you.

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    I don't know bout that but this bike appeals to a lot of people. It looks different than anything else being made by the bigguns in the industry. At this price I predict sell out or hard to find by 4th of July, and a giant photo thread here of all the custom rebuilds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sofarider1
    Looks like a wolfhound. But wolfhounds are 3x the price. Hand made in Talent Oregon. The sweetest of the sweet steel.
    I can see why...WOW! Wolfhound Retro Hound. Beyond beautiful.

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    Gotta give a shout out to Sonoma County's Curtis Ingles and his retrotecs



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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    I don't know bout that but this bike appeals to a lot of people. It looks different than anything else being made by the bigguns in the industry. At this price I predict sell out or hard to find by 4th of July, and a giant photo thread here of all the custom rebuilds.
    In my humble opinion, the cruiser/klunker look is the hardest to pull off in a pleasing manner. Many try, few succeed, and most look wonky in some way or another.

    My top three as far as getting the lines right, proportions, and details spot on are Mountain Goat's FKR, Trek/Fisher Collection Sawyer, and Coconino's cruiser style bikes.

    (I think Inglis is making the Goat?)

    Anyway, those are my top three in that category. Everybody elses is just not quite right. Good, but not right.
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    Lets compare First Mountain Goat FKR

    And then the Inglis Retrotec Triple
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    The Retrotec still gives me goosebumps every time I see that picture.

    As for The Sawyer....if only it wasn't G2. I would so love to get one but I know that I don't get on with G2 geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob
    The Retrotec still gives me goosebumps every time I see that picture.

    As for The Sawyer....if only it wasn't G2. I would so love to get one but I know that I don't get on with G2 geometry.
    My thoughts exactly. If only it wasn't G2.

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    I'll toss this in just for sake of draggin this thread
    obviously I really like the old school school double top tube style
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    I don't know bout that but this bike appeals to a lot of people. It looks different than anything else being made by the bigguns in the industry. At this price I predict sell out or hard to find by 4th of July, and a giant photo thread here of all the custom rebuilds.
    I keep thinking that the style simply begs for a carbon version complete with lockable "gas tank" for storage. ditch the saddle bag.

    my dream bike is a Ti version with a bamboo laminate tank, stainless steel thumb combo lock (briefcase style), teak wood headset with mother of pearl inlay (Cane Creek?)
    of course Sterling Silver headset with more mother of pearl inlay
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    The Hunter brings to my mind a couple of more

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    and the good old phantom
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    another swoopy twin top tube option from Van Dessel...


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    ROTFLMAO!!!!! Way over priced.
    Get off the couch and ride! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    Gotta give a shout out to Sonoma County's Curtis Ingles and his retrotec.
    Now, that is sweeeet.

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    Yes.
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    New spec F-K-R frame that we recently had made. Still working up a parts package for it.

    I was originally going with a bright red but Russ at AirArt told me he had a cool "vintage" red that he had been saving. I think he made a great call!














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    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight
    New spec F-K-R frame that we recently had made. Still working up a parts package for it.

    I was originally going with a bright red but Russ at AirArt told me he had a cool "vintage" red that he had been saving. I think he made a great call!



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    that is beautiful! should've done a rigid fork (imo)

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    I guess this is great for Trek to be grouped in with all of these custom frames
    Rudy Projects look ridiculous

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    absolutely love whatever this is (didn't we see gary straddling this on page #1?)

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfPropelledDevo
    I'll toss this in just for sake of draggin this thread
    obviously I really like the old school school double top tube style
    also, i've been drooling over that retrotec triple for while now. such a beautiful build, imo. it's so classy that it looks as though it's been plucked out of the crested butte mtn bike museum.

    for me, the sawyer frame still takes the cake in terms of looks and utility. moreover, i'm lucky that it's the only one that i can afford Thanks Gary et al!

    surprised that nobody has mentioned the McClung's (see thread: My New McClung). they put all of these bikes to shame, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    I guess this is great for Trek to be grouped in with all of these custom frames
    You get that its a knock-off right?
    You get that some people think its overpriced?
    You get that it costs a fraction of these other framesets?
    So which side of the label snobs you siding with?
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    Here's a straight bar Schwinn I did...I wish it was a 29er, but I might be able to fit some 650bs under it.

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    You get that its a knock-off right? All of the custom frames are knock off's too, by your definition.
    You get that some people think its overpriced? Yes.
    You get that it costs a fraction of these other framesets? Yes.
    So which side of the label snobs you siding with? I'm on the side that doesn't give a damn about labels anymore. I had an original campstove green Karate Monkey and then I paid out the yang for a custom filet brazed Wily. Both were great bikes. My new bike will be the one that fits my budget and my body.

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    I like it.

    Here's my take on the style.

    As little bike as possible, as silent as possible.
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    i like how this is turning into a clunkers thread. thanks for the pics!

    velobike, what do your other bikes look like?! that thing is sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunderbuss
    I've had one on backorder since a week after it was released. Current ETA is January. Full advertised retail is $1429.99. You should be able to get it for less.
    Hey Voiles, Mine's dated 12/20...Want me to bring it over and let you drool on it when it comes in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    You get that its a knock-off right? All of the custom frames are knock off's too, by your definition.
    You get that some people think its overpriced? Yes.
    You get that it costs a fraction of these other framesets? Yes.
    So which side of the label snobs you siding with? I'm on the side that doesn't give a damn about labels anymore. I had an original campstove green Karate Monkey and then I paid out the yang for a custom filet brazed Wily. Both were great bikes. My new bike will be the one that fits my budget and my body.

    Haters gota Hate. I gotsta hate on your spelling of gotta. Boyeeeeee!

    Pardon me for my flippant response, you are a man who shares a taste for the finer things in bike, and you have covered the bases in labelry, by knockoff i mean a cheap copy without all the fine finish details and custom geo"s.
    And in this respect thats the sawyer.
    But I get you, life is short if you want a klunker there is an able group of bike builders who awake your phone call. and if if you want no frills, surely surly fits the bill!

    as long as you get my drift please dont spellcheck me, I have a wife already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    absolutely love whatever this is (didn't we see gary straddling this on page #1?)
    thats a custom Hunter 29er

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    Ummmm...

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    personally I kind like to try to point out that...

    in large, due to all the awesome parts that are now available, and of course 29ers...

    that... uhh... HELLO!

    a kick ass custom double top tubed retro style cruiser can be stupid fast
    not only in the dirt but on the road.

    uhhh...
    29x2.0" with 48x11t = about 127 gear inch.
    today I rolled out a 45mph descent thru Pebble Beach, in the rain.
    hell-a-freaking-cool.
    fast enough to be driving the bike... no doubt
    fast enough to have to actually think about how you brake and counter steer
    but with enough gear inch to actually drive the wheels with some drift

    hell-a-fun

    and of course, it goes in the dirt
    aka: Tour Divide
    racks, panniers, fenders, frame bags, blah blah blah...

    IMHO: the design begs to be utilized.

    I've ran into GF a handful of times, and honestly, I tell him this updated high tech retro approach, has a market. i.e. Ducati and any of the other "modern Cafe" bikes...

    I love my Hunter, its totally 100% custom from the exact swoops in the tubes, right down to where and what type of bosses I wanted. All the cables are full length housing, and all point downward from above the bike. The top tube is smooth, nothing to snag on, etc...

    the bars, the positioning, the whole thing was thought out. I was riding a Salsa Moto Rapido, screwing around with the fit, and the way to ride it, when after about 2 years, I finally hit Rick Hunter up to build the exact bike I wanted.

    the new Sawyer, I think is a rockin bike.
    but.. there are some funky aspects to it, it looks cool.
    hopefully it will sell
    hopefully there will be more of mainstream following

    klunkers? well... I'd hope that the genre of the retro cafe/board track bike, would go thru a R&D process, yielding performance bikes. Bikes that can do everything, all you have to do is change the bars to your liking.

    when I see Niner producing a 17lbs hardtail... holy crap! I can remember riding a 20lb Concord with Record, and to top it off, it didn't even come close to how well The Hunter rides.
    pathetic... i know.

    maybe I'm getting old
    I'm not into hucking
    I'm not even into agro XC stuff, much...
    instead I'd rather roll out a bunch of miles.

    ya... its about "mixed terrain" <---- funny how everything gets a label
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velobike
    I like it.

    Here's my take on the style.

    btw: I'm diggin this bike too...

    klunkers, retro, cafe, board track... rat fiink...

    what I'd hope for is a fast rigid Cafe style, Ti, carbon, bamboo.... something
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkenstein
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    honestly
    ya... clunker
    when cars ran on leaded gas
    calculators and digital watches were hi-tech
    when cars had chokes
    and we watch 12 channels on TV
    somewhere between: incense and peppermint, hey jude, long roads, purple haze, GTO's, trans am, a mission to the moon, touch tone phones, before 700c, when slide rulers were in schools.

    and what?

    no one wants to bring this genre up to date?
    modern genius where credit is surely due: Jeff Jones!
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    I don't like the look where the top tubes are split or split at the seat tube and then goes each side of the seat tube back to the drops. I was going to get a Sawyer but then I saw Spot Brand's Highline and it comes with beltdrive and costs less so I canceled my Sawyer.

    To me Emory has the best looking cruiser- seven eighth's tubing and big triangle bracing stays in 3/8" or whatever they are.
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    Van Dessel: WTF http://www.vandesselsports.com/?page_id=17
    is another great bike. I'll probably be building up 2 of these bikes with APEX groupo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckman4
    Hey Voiles, Mine's dated 12/20...Want me to bring it over and let you drool on it when it comes in?
    Mine shows 12-20 now too, however... I told Randizzle to cancel it. Turns out I don't really have any desire to ride a rigid bike. Good thing you're getting one so I can at least see it.
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    "I was going to get a Sawyer but then I saw Spot Brand's Highline and it comes with beltdrive and costs less" I think that you will see Sawyers for just over $1300 so really a push
    but cool bike anyway really more of a townie than a klunker







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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    The Chrysler PT Cruiser of bicycles.
    Funny, sad and very true. There is a market for everything...maybe even one
    with fly handlebars and a banana seat.
    Waiting for the twisted tube Lynskey version...

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    What about the Mt Goat ? And whats so great about belt drive?

    yeah Devo fly that Freak Flag!
    respectfully yours
    What do you think? I like the skinny tubes on my Emory cromo cruiser. Now that it's a 29'er, it's way fun to ride. The Mutano tires are pretty skinny but they go fast on hardpack. I mainly ride the thing in my neighborhood but have taken it on a couple 1 hr+ dirt rides, it worked great. To me the Mt. Goat looks not pretty, heavy, and expensive; though I'm sure it's not heavy.

    The biggest challenge on my Emory, which I bought thirty years ago, was always the seat post. Eventually I found a british unicycle post "Nelsons Column" that is in the 7/8ths but 400mm long. I really think the combo of 7/8ths tubing, matching fork, and the main triangle 'braces' are what make the look. And the bike rides as noice as it looks. It's what Trek should have done with the over-elaborated Sawyer.

    Belts are good for the beach.

    The Emory might still be available... http://www.aerofast.com/bike_cruiser/mojave.html...
    But I don't know where you'd get the Cook Bros fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "I was going to get a Sawyer but then I saw Spot Brand's Highline and it comes with beltdrive and costs less" I think that you will see Sawyers for just over $1300 so really a push
    but cool bike anyway really more of a townie than a klunker





    Right on Devo what you say!
    The Highline reminds me of the 50 year old Raleighs we still ride at my grandmother's house. But I bet the frame won't flex like those old bikes do. I am planning on putting Stan's "Crow" tire on the Highline and using it as a beach bike for me and the wife because the Emory is too fine to get all salt/sandy.
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    Just informed that my Sawyer is on the truck...should be in the shop by Friday. Too bad I have to work all weekend including Friday. Will have it in hand by next Tuesday though. Whoohoo!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super E
    Just informed that my Sawyer is on the truck...should be in the shop by Friday. Too bad I have to work all weekend including Friday. Will have it in hand by next Tuesday though. Whoohoo!!!
    What size did you get ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla81
    What size did you get ?
    17.5 (medium frame)

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    Congratulations Super E. I'll be looking for pictures Tuesday night...
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    congrats, this is music to my ears! i hope mine is on the same schedule.

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    I really dig the Sawyer...when I get tired of my horrid Rig ebb, it will be on my short list...

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    Imho...

    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Seriously considering one, however, I wish I could learn more about it before I throw down a deposit on one. Has anyone heard any gossip about this bike? What assumptions can you extrapolate from the info that's already out there (see trek's website)?

    It look's heavy but maybe all the extra tubes are throwing my off. Will it be vertically compliant and laterally stiff? for some reason it looks like it would be a little noodlish to me but I just don't have a ton of experience (only been in the game for 1.5 yrs).
    This looks like a cool bike to "kick around" with, but I wouldn't make it my primary mtb bike. It and the Raleigh XXIX have similar issues... flexie. good luck.
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    How do we all know it's flexy?

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    yes, can you please elaborate on this flexiness you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super E
    17.5 (medium frame)
    Cool,
    I have a 21" ordered.

    It pays to support your LBS.
    Mine cost me less than $1100

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    Sweet Ride

    I work at a Trek dealer, Kulshan Cycles in Bellingham WA. Just got our first Sawyer in stock yesterday and I built it up myself.

    It's pretty sweet. Solid construction and decent components. 21" model weighs 30lb. which is not super light but its a steel frame so the extra weight is worth it. Dropouts are pretty sweet. They are a Paragon-esque style sliders. Very easy to setup SS. The frame it split where the chain stay meets seat stay so it is belt ready. Handles with characteristics of the Trek/Fisher G2 geometry, very nimble for a 29er.

    I'd recommend this bike, especially for the price. I only wish they offered it as a frameset because I would love to set this up as a SS belt drive. Everything is there for it but it is not worth the extra money to buy as a complete only to replace pretty much all of the parts.

    I suspect if the complete catches on they may offer the frameset in the future. I doubt they are making too many extra frames for now.

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    thanks for the update, dave2ndln!

    What kind of riding did you do with it? did you notice any flex as others have suggested? how did the fork feel? feel free to post pics!

    also, can't you convince your boss to take all the parts into stock and just sell you the frame?

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    Just a test ride after the bike was built. Just mobbing around streets and parking lots near the shop. It was raining hard so I kept it pretty short too.

    I currently ride a Gary Fisher Rig and love the way it handles but would like a steel frame bike with some additional rack/fender mounts for bikepacking. I did make a conscious effort to pay attention to the handling of the Sawyer and it was very similar to my Rig. Handlebars are different than any I have tried but I like them quite a bit.

    My boss is pretty cool and would probably work out something for me if I asked, but I have gotten to the point where I plan to go custom with a local frame builder so I can get all the fine details I want and support the local economy. (Shameless plug www.donkelopebikes.com)

    That being said there are few details I would want that are not already included with the Sawyer.

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    Oh and as far as it being flexy. It seems everyone is basing this on nothing but looking at the bike. I haven't taken it on trail at all but I'd be surprised if one could notice any more flex than any other steel bike. Steel flexes, and that is why people prefer it in many cases over the harsh ride of an aluminum frame. The dual top tube I would think gives it more lateral stiffness and the curved tubing seems it would add to the amount of up and down flex that you would probably like on a rigid mountain bike. The bike is shaped like a giant leaf spring. I think that is a plus.

    This is all based on speculation. I don't claim to be an expert on the minutiae of the things people seem to obsess over on forums sometimes. All that being said, personally, I would not be too worried about flex as a factor but test ride it first if you get a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2ndln
    I work at a Trek dealer, Kulshan Cycles in Bellingham WA. Just got our first Sawyer in stock yesterday and I built it up myself.

    It's pretty sweet. Solid construction and decent components. 21" model weighs 30lb. which is not super light but its a steel frame so the extra weight is worth it. Dropouts are pretty sweet. They are a Paragon-esque style sliders. Very easy to setup SS. The frame it split where the chain stay meets seat stay so it is belt ready. Handles with characteristics of the Trek/Fisher G2 geometry, very nimble for a 29er.

    I'd recommend this bike, especially for the price. I only wish they offered it as a frameset because I would love to set this up as a SS belt drive. Everything is there for it but it is not worth the extra money to buy as a complete only to replace pretty much all of the parts.

    I suspect if the complete catches on they may offer the frameset in the future. I doubt they are making too many extra frames for now.
    post pics if you can
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2ndln
    Oh and as far as it being flexy. It seems everyone is basing this on nothing but looking at the bike. I haven't taken it on trail at all but I'd be surprised if one could notice any more flex than any other steel bike. Steel flexes, and that is why people prefer it in many cases over the harsh ride of an aluminum frame. The dual top tube I would think gives it more lateral stiffness and the curved tubing seems it would add to the amount of up and down flex that you would probably like on a rigid mountain bike. The bike is shaped like a giant leaf spring. I think that is a plus.

    This is all based on speculation. I don't claim to be an expert on the minutiae of the things people seem to obsess over on forums sometimes. All that being said, personally, I would not be too worried about flex as a factor but test ride it first if you get a chance.
    seriously, all those tubes...

    my Hunter has zero flex
    if I ever break that bike, god help me
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    thanks for the review! can't wait to throw my leg over one...

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    We got a Sawyer in yesterday, and have three more coming in next week... One of them is mine - I will be converting to SS as soon as I can. Rode the 17.5 that we got around a bit today - no dirt, as things are uber-muddy here after a few days of rain. Thinking that when mine gets here (Tuesday?) I'll have a couple of days to get it dialed in as SS set-up and maybe get it in the dirt next weekend...? Feels very nimble just riding it around, and it felt good riding it over some speedbumps and hitting some potholes, etc.... we'll have to see what happens when it's in the dirt, but I think it's going to be a pretty nice riding SS - will fatten the tires up a bit tho!
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    pics!

    i have one on order that should ship next week. how about some pics??? i am really curious abou the color...i have seen some pics where it looks light grey, and some where it looks dark grey....can someone verify???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Feels very nimble just riding it around, and it felt good riding it over some speedbumps and hitting some potholes, etc....
    ahhh, the definitive "speedbump" test.....

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    Pics!

    Pics! Now!

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    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    ahhh, the definitive "speedbump" test.....
    Yeah - didn't want to go out and motoslosh the new bike on the floor.... I don't generally ride over anything that is speedbump sized on a trail ride without compensating greatly - so hitting one in a relatively rigid posture does actually give you an idea of compliance... This isn't "soft" but it sure maintained composure and didn't feel like the hit stung. That said - when I get mine in on Tuesday or so, I'm going to throw a 29-4 TLR on the front, and put that front tire on the rear. Rear tire is a bit small on the back end of the Sawyer.
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    The LBS (Sharp Bicycle, Lafayette, CA) was building up a 19" today. Handsome frame, value bike. The brace within the unicrown fork was an odd choice for style. The powdercoat (paint?) is matte primer and quite understated which enhances the lines. The chainstay comes apart for belt drive and even though comes geared, single speed ready with the "sliders".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rekt23
    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.
    A 30lb rigid bike? I admit that it's good-looking, but wow, that's a boat anchor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aabbas
    A 30lb rigid bike? I admit that it's good-looking, but wow, that's a boat anchor.
    I'm pretty sure my Hunter is around that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rekt23
    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.
    Those are the crivitz bars. I got some to put on my commuter. (Steel hardtail w/RLT reba)
    My first alt bars. I like them.
    30lbs yikes! let the weight weenie wars begin! Anyone wanna bet somebody will have a 20lb SS in less then a month?
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Being 6'2" and over 250... A 30lbs bike does not scare me.
    A 20lbs bike would scare me...I would break it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla81
    Being 6'2" and over 250... A 30lbs bike does not scare me.
    A 20lbs bike would scare me...I would break it.
    I'm not sure if a heavy bike means that it won't break
    or if a lightweight bike can withstand similar loads...

    for what its worth, I ride the hunter a whole lot, in a wide range of conditions, and durability was paramount in the build.
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    Hey, MY!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
    This looks like a cool bike to "kick around" with, but I wouldn't make it my primary mtb bike. It and the Raleigh XXIX have similar issues... flexie. good luck.
    Good to hear from you. Haven't seen your name on this board in a couple years.

    Hope things are going well.

    Keep on riding!

    Oh, and is it just me, or whenever anybody mentions this bike, does Rush Tom Sawyer start earworming anybody else? ... or is it just me?

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    Oh man, that is just crushing tone. Love it.
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    BTW, got to ride a Sawyer today at Endless Cycles in Castro Valley. (ATBScott's shop.... sweet shop, BTW... stop by if your in the neighborhood!)

    Fun bike. I dig it. Yeah, it is a bit on the portly side, but had a good feel in the parking lot, despite being way too short for me. I'd love to get it on the trail. I think it was a 17".

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    Where's my sawyer!!! lbs says it still sounds like late january till it arrives. is it because i didn't order one till late september and so i'm farther back in line? when did you guys order yours?

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    I was told by my LBS it depended on how many he ordered 5 or more would delay shipment. Mine is supposed to ship tomorrow. (fingers crossed)

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    I just saw a Sawyer at the LBS. Not really a fan of the geometry or the look in pictures. Will say that it looks great in person. Didn't ride it, so I can't say that the geometry is any better or worse.

    The interesting thing for me was the fork- which had eyelets. Given the fork design, I'm not sure if there is enough room for fenders with a larger tire, much less have a place to mount it at the crown... Since it is a mountain bike, no biggie, just thought it was interesting.

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    Threw a set of the 29-4 tires on the Sawyer we have on the floor (yeah Pimp - it's a 17.5") and the tires looked uber-fat on the Duster rims - and there was pretty good clearance as well - Now - just have to get a good SS hub quickly to get that rim built up on a wide-flange-spacing hub. The bars feel pretty good - but may have to throw a pair of Titec J-bars on since I don't think I'll be riding with gears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Threw a set of the 29-4 tires on the Sawyer we have on the floor (yeah Pimp - it's a 17.5") and the tires looked uber-fat on the Duster rims - and there was pretty good clearance as well - Now - just have to get a good SS hub quickly to get that rim built up on a wide-flange-spacing hub. The bars feel pretty good - but may have to throw a pair of Titec J-bars on since I don't think I'll be riding with gears...
    pics of that please
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    Finally got my Sawyer built up SS today... Changed the crank to my older XT crank, rear wheel is off my old SS - waiting for spokes to build the Duster rim on a new wheel... Weight is just under 28 lbs with the Mallet pedals and the fatter front tire (Bonty 29-4 29 x 2.35"). Can't wait to get it out in the dirt - of course it's raining...


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    Mine's built and as promised a pic...but 1st some info:

    Out of the box weight was 28.5lbs, built up my way (SS - which is the only way for me) it weighs 24lbs...Tubeless Stans Arch wheels (stock tires), Magura Marta brakes, USE Ti seatpost, and a heavy Shimano crank.

    Rides great (as expected from a steel frame)...love it! Can't wait to paint it my colors.

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    I wish I never looked at this thread.
    I have major lust for a Retrotec classic now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super E
    Rides great (as expected from a steel frame)...love it! Can't wait to paint it my colors.
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.

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    Can anyone please post photos of the frame's tire clearance? Thanks in advance.

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    Got mine yesterday...

    I got mine yesterday....19". Built it up with all the parts I had on my 2009 Superfly HT. I plan to put a different seatpost on and I would like to try out the Crivitz handlebar but for ease of build, I just through on everything I had as it was. As it sits, with the low-end\ancient SPD pedals, it sits at 27.5lbs. I will try to trail-test it tonight...if I can get there before the rains move in.
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    Has anyone tried setting one up with a belt drive yet? We will be looking at the set up tomorrow. My boss tried to get it together the other day, but ran into some snags. We are going to start over from scratch. Just wondered if it had been done yet.

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    Sawyer order???

    I was at a local bike shop the other day and asked about delivery time....the warehouse in Ca. had seven of the 17" bikes in stock. I would be able to get one by next week, I am surprised to here this as most people who already ordered are still waiting. I held back my wallet for now!!!! The bikes look great so far but lets see the belt drives!!! RRR

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    I'll post up some pics if I can get the belt drive going. The boss told me that he was not able to get the belt line working at all. When he got the front ring in line, it hit the chainstay. He also mentioned that when he got the ring away from the stay, that the cog rubbed on the derailleur hanger. So far, there is no SS only right dropout, so we may just have to cut the hanger off.

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    Nice looking bikes, I am definately a fan of the cruiser style! The Sawyer reminds of the OX Brand Ti Cruiser from the early days of 29ers, picture below. Not mine, but I am currently building one up. Keep the pictures coming!
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    Got mine last week. Hated the handlebars...thought they were ridiculous...and replaced them with a flat bar of similar width. Other than that I like it a lot. It looks cool and is very comfortable. Don't laugh. I use it as my road bike. I had a "dropped bar" bike but I don't like those flimsy things, not to mention I like the option of cutting through a dirt road if I have to.

    Speed? It keeps rolling once you get it going even into a stiff breeze. Weight? Who cares? I weigh 230 pounds...the extra eight pounds difference between it and my former Cannondale Synapse is unimportant and I'd rather have the extra bike. I'm taking the Sawyer to Crete this Summer and I want more metal under me.

    Not to mention it is a rolling work of art.

    My other bike is a Specialzed Enduro SL Comp so you see I like bikes that are a little beefy.

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    got a test ride in before the ice!

    We had some rain that turned to sleet which in turn froze to everything it landed on as the temps went down yesterday afternoon here in Atlanta, so I hauled butt up to Big Creek and got a lap and half in before the pandemonium ensued.

    Overall, the bike is awesome although it's disappointingly heavy even with all the light stuff on it. On the trail it rode great....I will have to get used to how the bike hits with a rigid fork vs 100mm of travel like on my two SuperFlys as well as how incredibly heavy it feels going up hill. I didn't sense any 'flex' in the frame...ride quality wise, it was everything I could ask for especially considering I was on about as rocky and rooty a trail I could find in-town. My guess is it will be a little more enjoyable on more flowing trails like Blankets Creek and Chicopee Woods as well as the Pinhote trails all here in Georgia, as well as Tsali up in North Carolina. My main goal was a bike I could kick around on with the kids and occasionally take out this winter on slower 'hang-out' rides....I'll reserve the SuperFlys for the days we plan to 'fly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Where's my sawyer!!!
    Dude! Where is your Sawyer?

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    I'm liking this thread.
    27.5lbs, sounds good to me.
    I'd guess my Hunter is around the same.
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    Took the Sawyer out to some nearby trails. I'm in Louisiana but it is pretty hilly and rooty where I live. The bike performed well on our usual root-a-palooza. I had to get out of the saddle for a lot for obtacles I don't even notice on my M1 Abrahms Specialized Enduro but it was an enjoyable ride. I haven't ridden a rigid frame since the mid-nineties when I had a Bridgestone MB-4 and it brought back memories. The 29-inch wheels may have a lot to do with it but I was able to clear a lot of stuff I thought would give me more trouble. The frame is very stiff (to me) and I didn't notice any flex in the wheels. There are some advantages to a 30-pound bike. It climbs well with the gear ratios supplied but this may be because it's a rigid bike.

    But basicly I'm using it a road bike. I just happened to go by the trail head and couldn't resist.

    As far as set-up I have Easton EA70 bars with Specialized Body Geometry grips and their Ergonomic Bar Ends (for climbing and changing hand position). I use the Specialized Expedition Saddle (gigantic with springs and everything) on this bike and all of my bikes for that matter. How you guys can ride those plastic anvils even with padding is beyond me. I have Crank Brother Candy pedals on it and the rest is stock. As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out.

    I know there are some detractors here but it's a cool bike with a custom look and very nice for those of us who don't want to spend the money for a true custom bike. Pretty fly for a production bike put out by a big company in other words.

    My back hurt a little after the ride. I am probably too used to plush full-suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
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    Had to be the first to say it.

    You pulled the words outta my mouth....RUSHHHHH.

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    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    Hand position is awkward, for me anyway. Tried them for a few days hoping I'd like them.

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    I've been eyeing those bars myself

    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


    see here:
    I've been running Titec H-Bars, but if I have one criticism of them, it's that they have a bit too much sweep for my tastes.... and they have a weird slight downward angle from the center. These look like a bit less sweep and no down bend from the midde.

    IIRC, $60 list price and 280 grams is pretty dang reasonable.

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    personally I'm using a set of On-One Mary Bars mounted upside down.

    the deal with that position is multi faceted
    as is the Hunter

    that is to say...
    the bike is pointed at multi use
    and it does all of it quite well...

    big huge monkey bars, full suspension, obviously is a single pointed focus on ride technical dirt.

    rigid, and funky trippy bars, are about "mixed terrain" <-- dare I say?
    aka: fire roads, pavement, pace lines, handle bar bags, and coping with dirt.

    those specific bars that are spec'd on the Sawyer, I'm not too sure about.

    the deal with any of those sweeping sections is that they need to actually be useful.
    I can't see how you'd even mount anything to it. i.e. light
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.
    I was thinking that green apple metallic and creme two tone color that Schwinn used to use on their beach cruisers would be pretty sweet.

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    it seems like this bike will have a wide range of use
    and of course no single handlebar will do

    I want to see it with drops and SRAM Apex
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    The OP's Sawyer

    Got my sawyer finally! Immediately stripped her down and threw on all of the parts off my old '08 rig (phil woods hubs, stans flow rims, xdx 2.1 tlr tires (tubeless), mod'd xtr crankset, WI freewheel, thomson post and stem, brooks b17, syntace vector bars, avid juicy carbon hyd. brakes, ergon gp1 grips). Weighed in at 28.6 lbs (stock, with pedals, it weighed 30.4 lbs). I definitely plan on trying the crivitz bars soon.

    First time on a G2 geo frame and so far I think I like it, although I couldn't really get an accurate feel for it in these slippery and snowy conditions. Just seems a little more nimble than the rig. the fork on this thing is super raked out and it feels/looks a little funny the first time you hop on it. Frame seems very stiff and I didn't notice any flexing. feels a little heavier compared to my rig but that was expected (weighs 1.8 lbs more). however, the weight gain is offset by the added comfort and joy of steel, imo (my first steel mtn frame!). dropouts are beautifully designed in that you don't need to adjust the brakes when you adjust the chainstay length. in addition, you don't need to adjust the chain stay length when removing or installing the rear wheel. can't wait to hit up some dirt with it!
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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Got my sawyer finally! Immediately stripped her down and threw on all of the parts off my old '08 rig (phil woods hubs, stans flow rims, xdx 2.1 tlr tires (tubeless), mod'd xtr crankset, WI freewheel, thomson post and stem, brooks b17, syntace vector bars, avid juicy carbon hyd. brakes, ergon gp1 grips). Weighed in at 28.6 lbs (stock, with pedals, it weighed 30.4 lbs). I definitely plan on trying the crivitz bars soon.

    First time on a G2 geo frame and so far I think I like it, although I couldn't really get an accurate feel for it in these slippery and snowy conditions. Just seems a little more nimble than the rig. the fork on this thing is super raked out and it feels/looks a little funny the first time you hop on it. Frame seems very stiff and I didn't notice any flexing. feels a little heavier compared to my rig but that was expected (weighs 1.8 lbs more). however, the weight gain is offset by the added comfort and joy of steel, imo (my first steel mtn frame!). dropouts are beautifully designed in that you don't need to adjust the brakes when you adjust the chainstay length. in addition, you don't need to adjust the chain stay length when removing or installing the rear wheel. can't wait to hit up some dirt with it!
    I especially like the polished silver XTR cranks. Are those M960 series with the 102mm bcd? Did you cut off the spider for the big ring?

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    "I especially like the polished silver XTR cranks. Are those M960 series with the 102mm bcd? Did you cut off the spider for the big ring?"

    thanks! yep, m960. modded them myself with a dremel tool and LOTS of elbow grease. Sometimes I wish I didn't hack off the spider so I could throw on a bash guard. oh well.

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