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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    I wouldn't say it's bad looking, but the paint is very blah and so is everything else to the point it kind of looks cheap. With that said, I got to see one a Trek that was totally retro modified with polished White Industries bits and it was totally fantastic looking. If I got one I would do the same.
    Having seen one in person, I agree. It has a lot of potential. I sure hope Trek sell it as frameset.
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    I need some help from the collective here regarding sizing. I am having second thoughts on the size of my bike which is a 19". I'm 5'9" with a 34" inseam, short torso but long arms. I fit the bike but wonder if the 17.5" would be a better choice. I'm a bit stretched which isn't a bad thing since I can get a shorter stem but I dont know if by doing that it will adversely effect the relaxed steering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker2 View Post
    I need some help from the collective here regarding sizing. I am having second thoughts on the size of my bike which is a 19". I'm 5'9" with a 34" inseam, short torso but long arms. I fit the bike but wonder if the 17.5" would be a better choice. I'm a bit stretched which isn't a bad thing since I can get a shorter stem but I dont know if by doing that it will adversely effect the relaxed steering.
    I usually ride a 21 inch frame Rig, I have very comfortably ridden a 19 inch HIFI 29er and I found that it more or less depends on how you like to ride. The 21 that I have is a little bit longer and is set up in a typical XC long stem huge bar drop. The HIFI had swept back bar and the drop was less and this made it easier to move around and back on steeps.

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    GTR-33, I am the same height but have a 31" inseam and ride the 17.5" - the bike has a fairly long top tube effective length... I think that playing with the stem length a little, or even saddle position back a bit if you wanted on the smaller size will make for a nice, light-handling bike. I have a bit of a long torso, but the 17.5" sits a bit tall at the "top tubes" and I didn't want to go soprano if I had to bail in the techy stuff. I also upsized the tires a bit (Bonty 29-4 in front and a Conti 2.2 Race King rear) which raised the bike a couple tenths of an inch... The bike is not light, but it rides light, and just seems to take everything it comes across with aplomb. If I don't get through a section on it - it's more because of my low hours riding this year than the bike's ability. It's comfy for hours-long rides and I get asked about it more than any other bike I can recall ever owning. The bars were OK - I moved to Titec J-Bars and a slightly longer, higher stem. YMMV. Try the 17.5 if you can, I think you'd like it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker2 View Post
    I need some help from the collective here regarding sizing. I am having second thoughts on the size of my bike which is a 19". I'm 5'9" with a 34" inseam, short torso but long arms. I fit the bike but wonder if the 17.5" would be a better choice. I'm a bit stretched which isn't a bad thing since I can get a shorter stem but I dont know if by doing that it will adversely effect the relaxed steering.
    I'd go 17.5. These bikes "fit big" IMO.
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    I have the same height and inseam (5’9, 31in). I also use 17.5 frame size. However the top tube is a bit long for my reach so I put 50mm stem and move my saddle an inch forward.

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    Well I guess I have to look past my desire to own one of these bikes right now especially if it is too big. My individual dimensions allow to me to ride either a medium or large frame depending on their ETT's. The 19" with a 24.5" TT places me in a rather aggressive posture even with the oem bars. Maybe I mistaken, but I imagined this bike is to be riden with a more upright comfortable seating position and not the XC attack position. I'll take another test ride tomorrow.

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    yup the best thing to do is to test ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker2 View Post
    Well I guess I have to look past my desire to own one of these bikes right now especially if it is too big. My individual dimensions allow to me to ride either a medium or large frame depending on their ETT's. The 19" with a 24.5" TT places me in a rather aggressive posture even with the oem bars. Maybe I mistaken, but I imagined this bike is to be riden with a more upright comfortable seating position and not the XC attack position. I'll take another test ride tomorrow.
    I actually ride my Sawyer in a more "XC attack" position than my FS 29er! It's actually a ton of fun in that position!

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    Took it for an extended asphalt ride this morning. I rode over and into things that would similate the rocks and roots found on the local trails found here in central florida. I even attempted simulating tight switchbacks riding up and down a small flight of stairs. My unscienctific test confirmed that I got the right size for me. I wasn't overly stretched out and didn't have an excessive amount of seat tube showing. For the brief time I was on the bike I really have some reservations about the bars they didn't feel wide enough. At any rate, I will be keeping her.

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    I'm forced to thin the herd, selling a 19" Sawyer frame and fork on ebay (search for it).


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    I've got my mint SS 19" Sawyer listed on my local Tampa Bay Craigslist for seven clams.
    Chris King headset, Surly SS conversion. Mine weighs 25 lbs according to the bathroom scale hold the bike method.

    I saw 2 Sawyer frames on ebay but no complete bikes.
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    My Sawyer 2012 is landed :-) here it is... fantastic color... perfect first ride... best regards from Stuttgart- South Germany
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    Looks great, MrToice! I wasn't sure about the new colors from the first pictures but yours looks great in its natural element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    Looks great, MrToice! I wasn't sure about the new colors from the first pictures but yours looks great in its natural element.
    Agreed! Didn't care for the 2011 scheme and the stock/online photos of the 2012 looked too blingy for my tastes, but seeing his photo, I am drawn into this bike now.

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    The 2012 paint looks awesome. Under the lights in the exhibit hall at Trekworld, or outdoors under the sun, that "bronze" color looks really nice. Smooths the frame out quite a bit in some way as well. I never have liked the battleship grey that the Sawyer came in, but will forgive it - I love the ride. A nice dark green powder-coat may be in the near future though!
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    gary fisher /trek sawyer 29 single speed

    hello,

    I purchased one that was custom built by the shop owner.I really wanted a 29er rigid frame single-speed.It's fast, stiff, great ride.for flat smooth rodes it's fantastic, not sure about off road. I have 2 other bikes, a hard tail and full suspension for that.
    But decided to sell, only weighs 25 lbs,great componants.
    see my ad,,or email,,[email protected]

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    It appears that the 2012 frames are Stateside. I should be getting mine tomorrow.

    I have a blackcat, too, so now I have to decide which bike will be a SS and which bike will be a fixie. Any thoughts on the Sawyer as a fixie/SS?

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    I would love one of these for a daily commuter. Anyone want to trade a medium Sawyer frame/fork for a medium HiFi frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrkie View Post
    Any thoughts on the Sawyer as a fixie/SS?
    Beatifully. It's got sliding dropouts. It even has split stays so you can run a belt.

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    don't want to trade but have a 19 inch new saywer,, w/ carbon handle bar, stem, seat post and white bros carbon fork,custom built. email "[email protected]" if interested.
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    My New Frame!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrkie View Post
    It appears that the 2012 frames are Stateside. I should be getting mine tomorrow.
    They are here in Canada, my LBS has had a couple for a week or so now.

    The 2012 looks awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by biss-ness View Post
    My New Frame!


    WOW, the stock bike looks nice but that looks great. Any problems with the aftermarket fork and the G2 geometry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    WOW, the stock bike looks nice but that looks great. Any problems with the aftermarket fork and the G2 geometry?
    The fork is also G2, it was off my old HIFI. I still have to make some subtle changes , but it is a nice handling bike. Completely different than my last frame, an On-One Inbred, but I like the change. Seems to handle a little less twitchy, more smooth and controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biss-ness View Post
    The fork is also G2, it was off my old HIFI. I still have to make some subtle changes , but it is a nice handling bike. Completely different than my last frame, an On-One Inbred, but I like the change. Seems to handle a little less twitchy, more smooth and controlled.
    That bike makes me want to sell all my other bikes and buy the Sawyer as my only ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biss-ness View Post
    The fork is also G2, it was off my old HIFI. I still have to make some subtle changes , but it is a nice handling bike. Completely different than my last frame, an On-One Inbred, but I like the change. Seems to handle a little less twitchy, more smooth and controlled.
    That's one sweet looking ride! I've been going back and forth about picking one up and yours is pushing me over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hootjm View Post
    That's one sweet looking ride! I've been going back and forth about picking one up and yours is pushing me over the edge.
    The white rims and fork really look great. I've been calling Trek dealers around town asking who has any in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biss-ness View Post
    My New Frame!


    sick bike! now i want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalak View Post
    sick bike! now i want one.
    My thoughts exactly. Now I have to sell some of my collection.
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    Two words. Frame only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    Two words. Frame only.
    No dealer seems to be willing to buy the frame. If they did believe me I would have.
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    I called my Trek rep the other day to ask about this bike. he admitted that the frame is VERY heavy and it's not going to be a great trail bike for most people. he said most of the people who are buying it are not riding trails on it, but just buying it because it's a cool bike. if they would make it lighter and make a production rigid SS version, i bet they would sell a lot. or at least a frame only, but that's not going to happen any time soon. I guess that's just not Trek's market, or so they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I called my Trek rep the other day to ask about this bike. he admitted that the frame is VERY heavy and it's not going to be a great trail bike for most people. he said most of the people who are buying it are not riding trails on it, but just buying it because it's a cool bike. if they would make it lighter and make a production rigid SS version, i bet they would sell a lot. or at least a frame only, but that's not going to happen any time soon. I guess that's just not Trek's market, or so they think.
    That's the problem I'm running into. Nobody stocks it and they want full retail for a 2011 when the 2012's are out. I'm checking ebay but they seem to command a pretty high price used. Probably because there aren't many of them.
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    No way they're making it lighter. The weight is endemic to the tube shaping they're using.

    I bet production SS would go over like a lead balloon too because SS folks are pickier about components than most other riders. Every SS build I've seen is by a bike enthusiast, and they go for better spec.

    From what everything Guitar Ted's said about this bike from his connections, the frame is very expensive to make, hence the low spec parts otherwise. If they went for a SS with good stuff, it would be mid 2k easily, and that's risky.

    Let's all face it (even me, an owner), it's a nostalgia bike, a 'cool' bike, a 'second MTB' bike. It's niche. I bet they'll never expand the line, but keep it around for a while as a design showcase.

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    7.5 lbs frame only.

    This isn't a good primary, "go-to" bike for most people - it's a 3rd or 4th bike in the stable, depending on your needs. I did not like the Sawyer for technical trails, in-part due to the weight but mostly due to the slack head tube angle and a large amount of flex in the front end. The flex was most noticeable on bumpy descents. I'm thinking maybe the two thin tubes on the top allowed for the head tube the twist. Since I was running the Sawyer with a Niner carbon fork, installed to reduce the rake and thus quicken steering (it worked), I don't feel that it was the fork that was flexing. I ran the same Niner fork on a Salsa El Mar and felt little/no flex, certainly nowhere near the flex felt with the Sawyer.

    The Sawyer is a great cross-terrain cruiser, a bomb-proof beach cruiser. Strange to me that they don't offer it as frame-only, but I think that the parts spec, while not the greatest, is probably the best that Fisher (Trek) could do.

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    saywer 29ercustom

    I've had my trek saywer about a month.It was custom built in the shop as a single-speed with all bontrager parts.I replaced the front fork with white bros carbon fork, the handlebar,stem and seat post with nashbar all carbon and a chis king head set and Juicy three disc brakes came with the bike.
    I have two lightspeeds, but i luv the ride of this single speed rigid trek,it's fast responsive stiff ,and very smooth on the trail.I,m sure the bike is 5 lbs lighter from a stock one.
    I hate to sell it but with two others,a hard tail and full suspension. If anyone is interested, email me at "[email protected]" and i'll send pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I called my Trek rep the other day to ask about this bike. he admitted that the frame is VERY heavy and it's not going to be a great trail bike for most people. he said most of the people who are buying it are not riding trails on it, but just buying it because it's a cool bike. if they would make it lighter and make a production rigid SS version, i bet they would sell a lot. or at least a frame only, but that's not going to happen any time soon. I guess that's just not Trek's market, or so they think.
    That's funny....call your Trek rep back and tell them there's at least one being ridden on very tight, technical trails, on long mountain rides with lots of climbing, and on long mountain group rides on technical trails.....but I did buy it because I thought it is a cool bike...so he got that part right!

    I would not shy away from this bike if you think it will hold you back....the only things that slows mine down are it's the engine and controlling device!

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    I agree with both parties, I'm sure alot of people are buying it for looks or a commuter bike but as oclvframe said it's very much a trail bike. I ride mine just as hard as any other bike i've owned and I have no complaints. In fact it feels good when I'm leaving all my buddys in the dust on there f/s bikes that weigh 5lbs less. It's just as comfortable on long road rides as well, I recently rode a 40 mile Soldier Ride with it and was very comfortable. Just through on a pair of Big Apples and I was good to go. I'm 6' 230 so a couple more pounds doesnt make much of a difference to me. People are complaining about its weight but unless its your race rig big deal. Right now I have it set up as a 1x9 and switched to X-9 shifter and rear derailleur. No prob with the stock X-7's just had the others laying around so figured I'd throw them on.

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    I'm running the Carbon Fiber Rangleys, very similar - best bars I've ever had.

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    @ biss-ness. That is a sweet bike! I'm trying to decide between a Sawyer and Rig and after seeing yours I think I've decided. I know it'll cost more to get it up to that level but how could I go wrong? A couple pounds won't make a difference to me as a clydesdale.

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    I just talked to my LBS. He said Trek is blowing out the 2011 Sawyers. You should be able to pick one up for a grand or less. That's about $400 off of retail. Unless you buy used that's about as cheap as it gets.
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    I love the sawyer. It really is an awesome looking frame design, but 7.5lbs? Yikes!

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    I got one this summer, I love it, rides great.. to compensate for the extra weight... I lost 10lbs. I know not everyone has 10lbs to lose, but riding a cool bike helps, now I have another 15lbs to go so this bike will be supper light when I am done.. lol

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    My 2012 frame fork and headset weighed around 10 pounds. That is pretty heavy.

    I don't find it to be flexy. I find the front end to be really precise, but then it is running one of the heaviest front forks I have ever got my hands on. Lots of room for big tyres. I can get the rampage in the rear with lots of room to spare (it would not work in the ferrous). But set up as a fixie with big tyres, some mud and reasonably light parts it is 27lbs.


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    Single Speed Setup

    What are the steps in adjusting the rear dropouts to convert to single spee.

    Torque specs for the bolts?

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    Has anyone tried any sort of frame-triangle bag with their Sawyer? I'd really like to hear someone's first-hand experience before I start guessing by bag and frame measurements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttvrdik View Post
    What are the steps in adjusting the rear dropouts to convert to single spee.

    Torque specs for the bolts?
    It's a sliding dropout of sorts. Same as the Rig and Marlin SS bikes.

    -Put the wheel in the drop out with all fasteners loose. This presuming you already have your chain length set and good to go.

    -With wheel in dropout an secured, turn the two tension screws until the chain is properly tensioned and the wheel is straight in the frame.

    -Secure all sliding mechanism fasteners.

    -ride bike

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    Convince me: My shop has one "11 Sawyer and it happens to be my size and they want it gone at $1199. Almost made up my mind on the Rig but at this price I can have the sweet looking Sawyer and gears, just in case. Although I'll set it up SS at first. I'm with a couple of the other people on this thread regarding the weight. Is it really that big of a deal if I have 15lbs to lose on the motor? Would the 3-4 pound lighter Rig be that much sweeter of a ride?

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    In the trails (Mt. Futatabi) where we usually go to, we need to carry our bikes because it’s a people park. Just like these photos:






    Going up to the mountain is like 20% carry-the-bike, 20% walk and the rest you’re on your saddle. So before you go downhill, you'll feel a bit exhausted. I would say that if you carry your sawyer, its 100% heavy. But if you’re on the saddle climbing up you’ll probably be okay.

    Btw (just to give you some proportions) I’m running 32x18 SS, stand 5’9 and 70kgs.

    The sawyer with stock parts and running with 32x18 SS weighs around 13kgs, I guess not that heavy at all (but of course it also depends on your overall weight i.e. bike+rider+backpack).

    Though sawyer might slow you a little on uphill, but it surely makes you fast on downhill.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sprocket47 View Post
    Convince me: My shop has one "11 Sawyer and it happens to be my size and they want it gone at $1199. Almost made up my mind on the Rig but at this price I can have the sweet looking Sawyer and gears, just in case. Although I'll set it up SS at first. I'm with a couple of the other people on this thread regarding the weight. Is it really that big of a deal if I have 15lbs to lose on the motor? Would the 3-4 pound lighter Rig be that much sweeter of a ride?
    I'd say it depends on what you're looking to get out of the bike. The Rig's definitely lighter, has a fork, and comes set up SS stock - it's more performance-oriented, out of the box. The Sawyer's rigid, heavier, and geared - it can handle hard riding, but I'd say it's spec'ed primarily for recreational riding and backwoods cruising. To be honest, I haven't noticed the Rig's weight that much yet - it still accelerates nicely, and descends comfortably. It's just not a top-speed XC steed.

    I just picked up a near-new Sawyer for $650 off craigslist. I've already got a full-suspension XC bike, but I wanted a 29er for commuting and light off-road riding. The Sawyer is a gorgeous frame - the kind I'll keep around for a long time. Matte grey isn't my favorite color, but it looks much better in person - very understated. Part of what drew me to it is versatility - this thread is a testament to that. Some of the Sawyer builds here are wonderful, and very different.

    If you want an SS performance bike, get the Rig. If you want unique, retro-cool frame that you can customize/personalize, and top speed isn't your main concern, get the Sawyer - you won't regret it.

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    I'd say it depends on what you're looking to get out of the bike.
    That's a tough one. But I sold my cyclocross hoping for a versitile bike that I loved but although I could ride on the road it couldn't satisfy me on my trail rides, which are my favorite. I love ss and ride some steep trails and although I'm quick and confidence downhill, I don't go balls out like I used to (hence the resistance on getting a full suspension). I'm a middle age guy and ride strong and it's been a long time since I've had an elite bike so I'm not convinced I'll notice a few extra pounds since I don't have anything to compare it to. I would also use the bike for rails-to-trails rides with the family now and then. Either bike can do that but I assume the Sawyer would be more comfortable (and still look cool).

    My contradiction that's pulling me to the rig occasionally - is that the Rig looks fast and might make me ride harder and break into a new level. I already ride faster than the guys I ride with but increased climbing would be awesome.

    Before my cyclocross this past year, I was riding a budget bikes direct rigid 29er single speed. Did fine and I've lost quite a bit of weight since then so I'm hoping it will be easier with either bike.

    I do love the customizing thought! I'm constantly shopping for parts to tweak my ride here and there. Not for weight weenie reasons, but just for fun and to change the look.

    Did I just convince myself?

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    Did I just convince myself?
    Haha - I think you might have.

    Not to sound like a weirdo, but the Sawyer has something that a lot of other bikes (particularly less expensive ones) don't - character. It has a soul, even though it's made by Trek. I think that's why I like it so much - it's not flashy, but to me, it is aesthetically very beautiful. Very few frames forgo the utilitarian conventions of the triple triangle to create something truly interesting and different - virtually none at the price we're talking about.

    If you like tweaking and customizing, the Sawyer's a great frame to do it on. It's in high demand, and I imagine it will hold value for a long time. If you want to make it racier, you can swap out the bars, nab a fork, upgrade the wheels, etc. Biss-ness's build on page 9 is a great example of what you can do with the bike to make it your own.

    I'm partial to the Sawyer, but I can see why you have a tough decision between the two. Can you test ride both? I think that'll make the final decision much easier.

    Anyway, just my 2 cents. I'd be interested in hearing what bike you end up going with!

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    I came to the conclusion that the Sawyer frame is, what it isn't... is not a carbon race bike or a full suspension dirt jumper. For me it's exactly what I wanted, a steel 29er frame with a nod to the past . When I first got the frame I weighed it like every one else , and yea its heaver than my steel On-One Inbred, but if I ride with a water bottle vs a "full" camel pack I can make up for the weight. I guess what I am saying is that "heavy" is a relative term.

    The best advice I have read so far, is to ride them both at a trek/ LBS demo day. See what feels best to you and go for it. For me it was a perfect match. Good Luck!



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    Convincing

    Quote Originally Posted by sprocket47 View Post
    Convince me: My shop has one "11 Sawyer and it happens to be my size and they want it gone at $1199. Almost made up my mind on the Rig but at this price I can have the sweet looking Sawyer and gears, just in case. Although I'll set it up SS at first. I'm with a couple of the other people on this thread regarding the weight. Is it really that big of a deal if I have 15lbs to lose on the motor? Would the 3-4 pound lighter Rig be that much sweeter of a ride?
    Great price, buy it. Convincing enough?
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    What is max tire size for Sawyer?

    So does anyone know how big as in 2.35 or so rear tire can go on this frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduder View Post
    So does anyone know how big as in 2.35 or so rear tire can go on this frame?
    I have a rampage in the back which is a 2.35 and there is a lot of room. I don't think there is a current 29er tire that will be too big. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduder View Post
    So does anyone know how big as in 2.35 or so rear tire can go on this frame?
    2.35 still fits in with about half an inch clearance on both sides.




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    Awesome thanks for the replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elduder View Post
    So does anyone know how big as in 2.35 or so rear tire can go on this frame?
    I've got 2.35 Schwalbe tires and Planet Bike Cascadia fenders shoehorned into my Sawyer. Actually the tightest part was the little cross-over bar on the front fork.
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    I can't believe you were able to pull that off on a Sawyer.

    You win MacGuyver of the Year award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    I can't believe you were able to pull that off on a Sawyer.

    You win MacGuyver of the Year award.
    Sweet, a major award!

    Actually the tires and fenders were pretty straight forward. No issues there. The rear rack was a PITA, and I'm still not 100% happy with it. I ended up using a long bolt to mount the rack to the sliding dropouts. I haven't had any problems with it, so I guess it's okay. I had to bend the rack a bit, though... the sliding dropout bolt locations are not symmetrical from side to side.

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    very nice classic town version

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelspoke View Post
    Sawyer
    In all seriousness, if that had a Schwinn Sting Ray style banana seat I would give it a 10.

    Very cool and unique.
    I'm unique, just like everyone else....

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    Holy ****. That's so far into jackass that it's gone through the other side into awesome.

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    I like how people are doing everything but mountain biking with the Sawyer. I guess it's a versatile bike.

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    Style is it's own versatility.

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    Sawyer is a rockstar!

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    Hey Steel spoke how do you like those grips? They Brooks or the Origin 8's?

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    They are Brooks. I dig em but they are a pretty burley, they feel a lot like motorcycle grips (larger diameter).

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    @ wheeliam

    Chapeau, that seems to fit perfectly!

    Unfortunately, my Sawyer has not that rear frame symmetrie, If I adjust the wheel exactly in the middle of the chainstays, it's not in the middle of the rear stays (about 2 or 3 mm nearer to the right side). I wonder whether frame or wheel is not well balanced – or if I'm just a dummy in using this little slider adjustment screws.

    Tire is a Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25, rim a Bontrager Duster.

    Any idea what I can do?

    Thanks and best wishes from Munich/Bavaria!

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    Gentlemen,

    may I introduce you to the one and only Bavarian Sawyer? I found it all alone in the Munich Trek store – and now we spend our time together on the scenic river Isar trails and in the Bavarian Alps. I'm so happy with this bike

    Mods so far: Brooks B 17 aged, Wellgo retro flat pedals, Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25 (rear) and 2.4 (front).

    Best wishes and marry Christmas from Munich!

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    P.S.: These curious stone sculptures at the banks of the river Isar are so called "Steinmandl“ ...
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    Perfect pictures! Greetings from Stuttgart... sind die Isartrails noch nicht gesperrt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    I like how people are doing everything but mountain biking with the Sawyer. I guess it's a versatile bike.
    Nah, I actually mountain bike with mine.
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    Steel monsters, custom butted

    (It's a railway bridge crossing the river Isar, 41 m high, with a biker/walker path in a cage unter the tracks ...)
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    Just wondering....

    Anyone have any problems with their 2012 Sawyer?

    Seat-post slipping and bent disc mount on the front fork? Anyone? Or is it just me?

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    For the seat post I used some carbon paste (it has little grit in it that help slippage more than just grease) and got a better clamp than was shipped with the bike (a Salsa Liplock bolt-on). No more problems, and I'm a Clyde++.

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    Mine is a custom build with a Thomson post and it doesn't slip at all.

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    Cross posted this earlier but not too many responses.

    This is for all you actual Sawyer owners. Now that you've accumulated some time in the saddle how do you like the bike? I've seen some in person but never had any actual riding time on one. Is it a real MTB or a cruiser? Could you use it as your only bike? I'm looking at buying a new bike. This is on my short list.
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    It rides just like my old GF Mt TAM 29. It's a real mountain bike. I can go plenty fast off road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    Is it a real MTB or a cruiser? Could you use it as your only bike?
    It's a real MTB, in my opinion, and it's my only bike now. I've sold my full suspension and my cross bike, because I don't like them any more. On a rigid bike like the Sawyer you have to ride more precisely on technical trails, and surely slower, but you can go everywhere. I live in Bavaria, the Alps are near, and I often spend my weekends in the Tegernsee area. There are lots of alpine trails, and I love to ride them on my Sawyer. I'm not in a race, so time is not important. I enjoy the old fashioned rigid riding. But in my brooks saddle, and with the big wheel advantages in general, it is much more comfortable than e.g. my first Yeti Pro FRO (remember Accutrax?),

    For me, the Sawyer is "back to the roots" of mountain biking, and I like these roots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RolledMeat View Post
    Nah, I actually mountain bike with mine.
    @ RolledMeat - How do you like the fat front set-up? I've been debating doing the same thing with mine but suspect it will make the ride TO the trail a lot tougher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    @ RolledMeat - How do you like the fat front set-up? I've been debating doing the same thing with mine but suspect it will make the ride TO the trail a lot tougher...
    I haven't ridden a Sawyer with a fat front but I have ridden the Pugsley, and Moonlander fat bikes off-road as well as a Karate Monkey with a fat front.

    Firstly, the fat front rolls over everything pretty easily and isn't easily deflected. To some extent you can bomb over things almost like a suspension fork. The downside is that it isn't suspended and repeated big hits can make the front bounce around.

    Then there is the mass of the wheel. This for me is the only real issue riding off-road. Once the front wheel gets spinning they have an incredible gyroscopic effect that makes it hard to steer. Deal killer? No. It is something to consider though if you ride very technical fast trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    Is it a real MTB or a cruiser? Could you use it as your only bike?
    The Sawyer is like a lion in sheep's clothing, a MTB in a Cruiser's skin. This is my all-around bike.

    You can check other other guys reviews here.



    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    @ RolledMeat - How do you like the fat front set-up? I've been debating doing the same thing with mine but suspect it will make the ride TO the trail a lot tougher...
    That fat front set-up would surely give you a tough ride, but if you'l use the right gear combo (or in the case of single speed 32x19/20 is okay, still up to you or depends on the trail condition) then you'l be fine.
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    As a Clydesdale++, it's a bit too flexy to become my default bike (especially the front fork from side-to-side, it twists around a lot). I'm a good bit over 200 though, and bikes with tapered head tubes and super rigid hydroforming were practically built for me. So if you're right on the edge of the Clyde scale, it should be fine.

    I do like the ride though. Super stable at speed, and maneuverable enough in the slow stuff to be quite a bit of fun, even if you can't really call it 'flick-worthy'. I'd call it a bike you carve in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    As a Clydesdale++, it's a bit too flexy to become my default bike (especially the front fork from side-to-side, it twists around a lot). I'm a good bit over 200 though, and bikes with tapered head tubes and super rigid hydroforming were practically built for me. So if you're right on the edge of the Clyde scale, it should be fine.
    About 5' 9" and 140lbs.Usually bikes aren't too stiff for me.
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    I'm 200# and I found the Sawyer to be flexy, most noticeable on the twisty, rooty downhills and rocks that are typical in the Mid-Atlantic area. Switching the stock fork to a Niner Carbon stiffened up the front end a bit, but my El Mari with CroMoto steel fork is much stiffer, much more predicable, and much more fun to ride. You can certainly bomb down technical singletrack with the Sawyer, it will handle it.

    I liked the Sawyer for cruising the streets with a little bit of non-tech double and singletrack thrown in, but you can do that with just about any bike. It's hard to find one bike that will do everything well.

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    I am 185lbs. I find the sawyer to track true and straight.
    It is noticeably less noodly than my custom which has a cheap carbon fork.

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    SS, hangers, phat tires, leather...Love It!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    About 5' 9" and 140lbs.Usually bikes aren't too stiff for me.
    I'm 6'-3" and about two of you. I envy your possible bike equipment choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    @ RolledMeat - How do you like the fat front set-up? I've been debating doing the same thing with mine but suspect it will make the ride TO the trail a lot tougher...
    I love the fat front but it's stiffer than I expected it to be. It also tracks way better than I expected. I rail through turns and don't notice the weight. More than anything, its just fun to ride. I'm 225# and run 32x18 gearing. So far the bike is great.

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    I'm curious if anyone has actually picked at a 2012 model yet? Our local Trek store has the 2011 on closeout for $961 but I can't get past the color or the component choices.

    I love the color and look of the 2012 model and I believe the drivetrain is better for it, but I am wondering if there are any other changes to the model that may make it worth $500 over a closeout?

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    Look at the specs on the Trek website, they've changed only a few parts. Here in D the offical price is 1399 Euro for the 2012 Sawyer, last year it costs 1499. So I think, it's not an upgrade to more quality components.

    I've compared the 2012 to my 2011 version at my LBS, because my wife wants a Sawyer, too. The new colour scheme is beautiful (in my wife's opinion), but the battleship grey of the 2011 is a nice understatement (in my opinion) and can easily be pimped with coloured parts and details, as you can see in pics above,

    So I would say: Save the money and take the first edition 2011.

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    I'm with Sentilo, I'd grab the 2011 before they change their mind or someone else gets it. That's the best deal I have seen by far.

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    I haven’t seen the 2012 version in person, but comparing the specs it looks like the only changes are (2012 v. 2011):

    Mustang v. Duster rims
    S1000 v. Firex crank
    Elixir 1 v. Juicy 3 brakes
    10 speed v. 9 speed

    The components are more-or-less the same between the two years, so the only real difference is 10-speed v. 9-speed. The 2x10 gives you a good bit more “top end” than the 2x9, but you could sell/trade the 9-speed drivetrain and upgrade for much less than $500 if that was important to you. Other than that, it pretty much comes down to the paint.

    If it were my decision, I’d buy the 2011 model, save $500 and learn to like the paint job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocktonRider View Post
    If it were my decision, I’d buy the 2011 model, save $500 and learn to like the paint job.
    Totally agree. The 2011 paint job is much nicer looking in person, actually. I picked mine up slightly used for $650.

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    I must say Sentilo that with the Brooks saddle the Sawyer does look pretty nice with the grey.

    I would imagine that using the money saved and investing in a better wheelset and/or drivetrain with gold blingy bits could make this a nicer looking and funner bike.

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    Well there is also a frame/fork going on Craigslist just down the road from me and they are asking $500. Its my size. Perhaps I'll look into that and see if i can beat them down on cost. If I am going to update the drive train and wheelset anyway this may be a better route if I can get it for $350.
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    Just built mine up a few days ago... I really like it so far

    2011 Sawyer frame and fork, 19''
    Crane Creek 40 headset
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    Avid Elixir 5's
    SLX crank
    Face Face 38tooth front ring
    New Bontrager Rhythm Pro seatpost
    Bontrager RL Evoke, hollow ti rails
    Fisher FCC front hub, RL Rim
    Bontrager Rhythm Elite(DT370) rear hub, RL rim
    Bontrager 29.1 tires 2.00 team issue

    It's a tank at 25.5lbs, but I can't wait to get some more miles on it.

    At home is Madison, WI....




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    I got to my Trek store today. They have 2 of the 19 inch 2011 Sawyers left in stock at that $961 price. I must say that the color is a lot nicer in person than in pictures.

    Some things I noted. 1) Picking it up it did not feel as heavy as i might have thought given its official weight. 2) The brakes are terrible. I did rolling stops in the shop and they barely stopped me.

    The issue now is that when I was ready to buy the stop was closed for a refit. In the meantime I spent a $1000 on a used cross bike. I can't afford another grand right now so i will have to wait. I still like the bike. Perhaps by the time I am ready again, the 2012 will be discounted (they would only do the 2012 for list).

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    Have one. Love it. It's no race bike, but it's purdy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    I got to my Trek store today. They have 2 of the 19 inch 2011 Sawyers left in stock at that $961 price. I must say that the color is a lot nicer in person than in pictures.

    Some things I noted. 1) Picking it up it did not feel as heavy as i might have thought given its official weight. 2) The brakes are terrible. I did rolling stops in the shop and they barely stopped me.

    The issue now is that when I was ready to buy the stop was closed for a refit. In the meantime I spent a $1000 on a used cross bike. I can't afford another grand right now so i will have to wait. I still like the bike. Perhaps by the time I am ready again, the 2012 will be discounted (they would only do the 2012 for list).


    If the brakes were bad, blame the shop. We all know those are good brakes. I also think a 25.5 pound, geared steel 29'er is reasonable. If you want lighter, you should buy something else.

    The cool factor makes up for the weight penalty in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh4130 View Post
    The cool factor makes up for the weight penalty in my eyes.
    Couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPirate View Post

    Have one. Love it. It's no race bike, but it's purdy...
    What kind of fork is that? Kind of looks like a Niner.
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    Sawyer Fork?

    Just obtained a 2011 Sawyer frame to build up. Does anyone that replaced their fork want to sell their original? PM me if so...thanks!

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    Just ordered a 2011 bike on closeout from my LBS! I will be setting it up SS to go along with the other SS's.....

    Can't wait to get my hands on it! I already have a Retrotec on order but that will take another 3-4 months, so this should get me by for now LOL!!!

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    @CS2, must be a Niner carbon fork.

    @floorguy724, congrats and enjoy your new SSawyer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelspoke View Post
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    hi steelspoke,

    I just wish to ask about your carbon belt drive. Are you using 39t crank?

    I'm getting the 39t (front), 22t (rear) & 113t. Would this work? Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post
    hi steelspoke,

    I just wish to ask about your carbon belt drive. Are you using 39t crank?

    I'm getting the 39t (front), 22t (rear) & 113t. Would this work? Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Mine is set up with a 48 big ring, 28 rear and a 120T belt. Puts the wheel in the middle of the range for the sliders. Gates Carbon Drive Center Track components.
    Hi GT,

    I was just worried that the 39t big ring might clash with the chainstay but since you were able to put 48t, thus the 39t crank should fit (mine is 17.5 frame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post
    @CS2, must be a Niner carbon fork.

    @floorguy724, congrats and enjoy your new SSawyer!
    Yep, that looks to be a niner fork, got one on mine also (like it better than the OEM fork).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh4130 View Post
    I also think a 25.5 pound, geared steel 29'er is reasonable. If you want lighter, you should buy something else. .
    That is pretty fair, but this bike is not 25lbs stock. It's about 30lbs fully rigid. You could only build the Sawyer FRAME not including the stock fork to a 25lb bike. At which point you are building it up simply because it's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    That is pretty fair, but this bike is not 25lbs stock. It's about 30lbs fully rigid. You could only build the Sawyer FRAME not including the stock fork to a 25lb bike. At which point you are building it up simply because it's cool.
    Like I stated my SS weighs 25.5 with the Sawyer FRAME AND FORK, and that's with a heavy SLX crank, non tubeless and heavy Primo pedals. It is getting 1x10 soon with XT stuff... I'll update you on the added weight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post
    @CS2, must be a Niner carbon fork.

    @floorguy724, congrats and enjoy your new SSawyer!
    Thanks wheel! LBS called and it should be here late Friday or early Saturday! I am dead set on ripping it down and converting it to SS but I might just for giggles ride it geared once or twice? Who knows, I might like it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighX View Post
    Like I stated my SS weighs 25.5 with the Sawyer FRAME AND FORK,
    25.5lbs isn't light for a rigid SS. It's respectable for a geared bike, but your bike geared is probably closer to 28lbs. My scandium/carbon Salsa with an XT group and all the good stuff weighs 25lbs with a F29. That frame is less than half the weight of the Sawyer frame. Given that the components weigh the same no matter what bike they are on tells me a Sawyer with the same components would simply be about 3lbs heavier.

    There was someone who built theirs up in this thread with a Titanuium fork and XTR and it was 23lbs. That's with a build list that costs several times the cost of the bike and would build other frames into under 20lbs bikes.

    You can say it's cool looking all day. I'll buy that. This bike isn't going to be 25lbs geared though unless you hang some pretty light parts from it. The frame is just under 8lbs and the fork is 3lbs. The frame is heavy no matter how you slice it.

    There is no point talking about weight whatsoever with a bike like this. There will always be lighter bikes. I think almost ANY other 29er for the same money will be lighter.

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    My God, I think I'm about to buy one, too. LBS has a leftover '11 in my size and they're willing to buy back the gearie bits to run it SS.

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    I came so close to getting one. I love the design and swoopy tubing and I suspect it rides wonderfully. But I can't even begin to imagine my being happy with an 8 lb frame. I complained about my GT Peace being heavy at about 6 lbs. I think the only way I will be able to pull off this sort of retro design and be happy will be with a Black Sheep or a Jones. For now, I will live with my new Vassago Jabber that cost me a whopping $306 shipped (black friday and a coupon on top of that). So far so good and the frame weighs in at 4.6 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    My God, I think I'm about to buy one, too. LBS has a leftover '11 in my size and they're willing to buy back the gearie bits to run it SS.
    Make sure you check the cost of ordering a Sawyer in. The local LBS has a Sawyer they've had for at least a year, won't go any lower since they say it's already below cost. Another LBS was able to order one in for almost $150 less with the 2011 discounts Trek is giving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Make sure you check the cost of ordering a Sawyer in. The local LBS has a Sawyer they've had for at least a year, won't go any lower since they say it's already below cost. Another LBS was able to order one in for almost $150 less with the 2011 discounts Trek is giving.
    The bike store not willing to discount should ask Trek for a credit of the difference. Although I know the current cost and the original cost and they are only different by about $100 or so dollars.

    What was the "at cost" price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Make sure you check the cost of ordering a Sawyer in.
    You mean as opposed to ordering it "to go"?


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    Just picked up my Sawyer yesterday from the shop, I was gonna take it out geared but decided to just buy some beer and come home to strip it all down! I bought a 17.5"....

    Stock weight with Eggbeater pedals- 29.40 lbs.

    Stock weight and converted to SS - 26.52 lbs.
    (only change was SS cog/spacers oh and removing all the geared stuff)

    Current weight with my wheels/tires- 25.19lbs.
    (Stans Crest w/Hope hubs, Ignitor tires, WTB Ti rail Laser saddle, Ritchey foam grips)

    Gonna take it out today and ride it for the first time. I will report back and get some pics up if I can remember!! I also have a few different handlebar options but want to give the stack bars a go?
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    Sounds good. Let us know how it feels.

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    Picked up a 2011 Sawyer a couple of weeks ago and finally got it to where I want.

    Went double speed with a Dos Eno 19t/17t and a howitzer crank with 34t/32t Blackspire chainrings.






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    Give the Crivitz Bar a Chance... I had adjust mine a couple of times to get in dial in, but I really like it now!

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    Ok had a chance to ride the Sawyer today. It rocks man!!!! The bike handles, tracks, and feels great! I actually like the ride better than my 09 Monocog Flight (which is also full rigid 29er).

    My only 2 concerns were the bars will take some getting used to and it doesn't climb as well as I had hoped? The climbing part might just be me since I went to a taller (32x18) gear vs my usual 32x19-20 and I try to do mostly climbing during my rides

    Overall I am very happy with my purchase and this will be my go to ride when riding rigid! It was very easy to convert to SS and lost over 3lbs in doing so!

    My build as of tonight is fully stock with the exception of Kenda SB8's instead of the wire bead Bontrager tires and my WTB saddle (broken in good). I think I will be happiest in this form and it only weighs 26.2 lbs which is good enough for me..... Here are some before and after pics:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPirate View Post

    Have one. Love it. It's no race bike, but it's purdy...
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    What kind of fork is that? Kind of looks like a Niner.
    Yes, It's a Niner Fork. Feels great on the Sawyer. Speaking of...

    The Frame is For Sale. It's a Large. Mint Condition. Click my link below to view the info if your interested.

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    It was 48 degrees today here in Madison, WI. so I had to get out for a ride....... I also stopped by the LBS and picked up a Surly 20 tooth rear cog. The 38/18 right now is pretty stiff....


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    I have a 2011 Trek Sawyer and i love it!! the bike has enough flex to make up for the rigid fork. and the geometry is perfect . It is a bit on the chunky side though .. weighing in at 29 lbs.
    but all in all its a great bike, lots of fun to ride.

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    Hey Floorguy, So what is up with the pic above with the "chick" in the bike shop in the white sweatshirt? Did she loose out on commission or something? She doesn't look too happy........

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundra277 View Post
    Hey Floorguy, So what is up with the pic above with the "chick" in the bike shop in the white sweatshirt? Did she loose out on commission or something? She doesn't look too happy........

    LOL. She is the shop owner, just snapped the pic at the right time!

    The owners are actually really nice people! I will definitely do more biz with them in the future....

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    Did she loose out on commission or something?
    Why does everyone assume bike shop people get paid on commission? Most don't and get paid hourly... Bike shops aren't used car lots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    Why does everyone assume bike shop people get paid on commission? Most don't and get paid hourly... Bike shops aren't used car lots.
    Nobody at the shop I work at gets commission. I am hourly, and 2 guys are salary. I got asked 3 times last weekend if I got commission.
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    Sawyer fork questions

    I am about to order a sawyer and have heard the stock fork is a pig. I like the ride qualities of rigid carbon forks and the weight savings. I can't find the specs on the stock for for axle to crown, offset and rake. Does anyone make a carbon fork that is close to the stock one that wont mess up the ride characteristics or even maybe even improve the characteristics? I have only seen two photos of Sawyer's with after market carbon forks. One was a NINER and the other was a BLACK OPS. I like the SYNCROS carbon but they are hard to find since SCOTT bought them out. It is lite and has no rider weight limit not to mention it has round fork tubes. I had a Niner carbon on a Jabberwocky and was blown away by how much it improved the bike over the stock Odis fork. Any help will is greatly appreciated.

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    bzo75 - nice avatar. I'm a huge fan of Stone brews myself.

    The stock Sawyer fork has an A-C length of approximately 465mm with an offset of 51mm. I don't think anyone makes a carbon fork with exactly those specs so there would be some subtle changes in geometry and ride characteristics with a fork change. Whether those changes are a good or bad thing, and whether those changes can even be detected, would depend on the sensitivity of the rider and his preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    bzo75 - nice avatar. I'm a huge fan of Stone brews myself.

    The stock Sawyer fork has an A-C length of approximately 465mm with an offset of 51mm. I don't think anyone makes a carbon fork with exactly those specs so there would be some subtle changes in geometry and ride characteristics with a fork change. Whether those changes are a good or bad thing, and whether those changes can even be detected, would depend on the sensitivity of the rider and his preferences.
    Thank you sir. Maybe I will try a couple of different forks.

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    after seeing pics from frostbike I'm tempted to go 1/2 fat with my sawyer, has anyone tried a margelite with a 2.4" tire on the rear of a sawyer?

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    Picked mine up this weekend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    I am about to order a sawyer and have heard the stock fork is a pig. I like the ride qualities of rigid carbon forks and the weight savings.
    The fork that it comes with is the only G2 geometry rigid.

    Trek was at one point going to release a G2 offset carbon rigid (Bontrager Switchblade) but it never made it to production. IIRC the Trek/Fisher 29er team preferred a non-G2 rigid fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    The fork that it comes with is the only G2 geometry rigid.

    Trek was at one point going to release a G2 offset carbon rigid (Bontrager Switchblade) but it never made it to production. IIRC the Trek/Fisher 29er team preferred a non-G2 rigid fork.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    The fork that it comes with is the only G2 geometry rigid.

    Trek was at one point going to release a G2 offset carbon rigid (Bontrager Switchblade) but it never made it to production. IIRC the Trek/Fisher 29er team preferred a non-G2 rigid fork.
    I know it's not carbon, but you do have another option besides the stock fork. OS Bikes has several different length steel rigid forks with 51mm offset (G2 geometry). Their website is not the best, but you could email Mark at the address on the site for more info. I am not affilitaed in any way with OS Bikes. I bought a Sawyer frame only and have been trying to find a stock fork or one with the G2 offset and found the OS Bikes fork. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyA View Post
    I know it's not carbon, but you do have another option besides the stock fork. OS Bikes has several different length steel rigid forks with 51mm offset (G2 geometry).
    Well that's good to know!

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    A friend of mine has the Saywer. It's pretty awesome 29er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    I am about to order a sawyer and have heard the stock fork is a pig. I like the ride qualities of rigid carbon forks and the weight savings. .
    Sawyers are set up for what would amount to a 100mm travel sus fork with sag. However, the axle to crown height is only 475mm, as I measured it on a stock '11 Sawyer fork I have.

    That said, an On One Carbon Superlite may work well on this bike. Axle to crown is 470mm, so within 5mm of the Sawyer's 475mm. The offset is 47mm, which is right about where a lot of folks like their G2 bikes to be at with standard available suspension forks. (Fisher racing team members often would run 46mm offset sus forks on the G2 bikes, as an example)

    The slight lowering of the front would slightly steepen head angle and slightly lower the BB height, which may or may not be a concern. You would be close to G2 trail figures enough that handling should be acceptable. The BB height? Well, I'll leave that to others to dissect. It wouldn't be that big of a change, but some may not find that acceptable. (We're talking a minimal amount of difference from stock)

    Weight of an On One Carbon Superlite with star nut and Chris King headset race installed is 920gms. Weight on a stock '11 Sawyer fork with star nut installed is 1280gms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Sawyers are set up for what would amount to a 100mm travel sus fork with sag.
    Can you clarify what this means?
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    Geometry noob here. I was anticipating the release of the Soul Cycles Dillinger Ti fork (no release date/still in testing phase)

    The fork is suspension corrected to replace a 100mm travel suspension fork.

    // METRIC
    AXLE TO CROWN 485 MM
    AXLE DIAMETER/WIDTH 9 MM X 100 MM
    RAKE 45 MM
    DISC BRAKE MOUNT 74 MM POST
    MAXIMUM ROTOR SIZE 160 MM
    MAXIMUM TIRE SIZE 65 MM
    STEER TUBE DIAMETER 28.6 MM
    STEER TUBE LENGTH 295 MM
    WEIGHT WITH UNCUT STEER TUBE .6 KG
    LEG MATERIAL 3/2.5 TITANIUM
    STEER TUBE MATERIAL 3/2.5 TITANIUM



    So with these specs it would be:
    +10mm change in a to c
    -6mm change in rake

    Would these be considered an acceptable deviation from standard G2 or are things going to get a little wacky?

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    The other fork would handle a little differently but it's up to you as to whether that puts it into the wacky category.

    YMMV, but as I noted previously I put a 100mm, non G-2, Rock Shox fork on my Sawyer and noticed no significant handling difference anywhere except on very steep climbs. On the steep climbs the front end got really light and it was hard to keep the bike on the trail. I attribute this to the ~20mm taller a to c*, not the 6mm difference in offset. The bike did so poorly on the climbs that I took the susp. fork back off and went back to the original rigid fork.

    * (edit: after measuring this morning I discovered the a to c difference between the stock Sawyer fork and the unsagged Rock Shox fork is actually 45mm(!), not 20mm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    The other fork would handle a little differently but it's up to you as to whether that puts it into the wacky category.

    YMMV, but as I noted previously I put a 100mm, non G-2, Rock Shox fork on my Sawyer and noticed no significant handling difference anywhere except on very steep climbs.
    How old is the Reba you tried? I ask because on 29er forks, there is no standard offset except for G2. IIRC Fox is normally 46mm and the Reba has been anywhere from 38mm to 44mm depending on how old it is.

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    It was actually a 2011 Tora which I believe to have an offset of 46mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Sawyers are set up for what would amount to a 100mm travel sus fork with sag. However, the axle to crown height is only 475mm, as I measured it on a stock '11 Sawyer fork I have.
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Can you clarify what this means?
    a 100mm travel fork with sag will sit about 20% lower at a "natural stance" with the rider on the bike which is why you setup your saddle slightly tilted back on a hardtail to compensate for the fact that the front of the bike will "sag" down a little when you put weight on it...

    rigid forks obviously don't have any give when you put your weight on them so they compensate for this fact in the design and make it (about) the axle to crown length 20mm shorter then what a sprung fork would be.


    I've got a salsa enabler fork going on tomm ... along with a big fat larry on an 80mm rim... should be ready for a ride on sat and i'll get to see how the fat front (1/2 fat?) will work out on our trails ... will have a little less trail but because the tire is slightly taller it'll prob stay about even... can't wait to get out on sat.

    translation... a 100mm suspension fork is going to fit right on this bike but just sitting it'll raise the front up a little bit without weight on it
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    @donalson I see the sawyer met your approval

    here's a pic of mine, currently running it 1x9 and supersized the rotors, new Bontrager FR3 tires came in last night
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    [stuff I know already]

    translation... a 100mm suspension fork is going to fit right on this bike but just sitting it'll raise the front up a little bit without weight on it
    I understand all that. Look at the numbers.
    Even sagged, a 100mm fork will raise the front a bit, as the A-C of the Sawyer fork is lower than a sagged 100mm.
    What I was asking Ted is, what does "set up for what would amount to 100mm travel" mean? the fork that comes with it is pretty much smack dab in between suspension corrected for 80mm & 100mm sus forks.
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    The Sawyer is such a classic look for a bike. I understand why someone might put a shock to front and it is their right to do what they want, but it I were to buy a rigid bike I would do so because I want a rigid bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    a 100mm travel fork with sag will sit about 20% lower at a "natural stance" with the rider on the bike which is why you setup your saddle slightly tilted back on a hardtail to compensate for the fact that the front of the bike will "sag" down a little when you put weight on it...

    rigid forks obviously don't have any give when you put your weight on them so they compensate for this fact in the design and make it (about) the axle to crown length 20mm shorter then what a sprung fork would be.


    I've got a salsa enabler fork going on tomm ... along with a big fat larry on an 80mm rim... should be ready for a ride on sat and i'll get to see how the fat front (1/2 fat?) will work out on our trails ... will have a little less trail but because the tire is slightly taller it'll prob stay about even... can't wait to get out on sat.

    translation... a 100mm suspension fork is going to fit right on this bike but just sitting it'll raise the front up a little bit without weight on it
    My Sawyer feels just right with the Enabler/Large Marge/Larry combo on the front. It feels the same as the previous GF frame that originally had an 80mm suspension fork on it. I never rode the Sawyer with the OEM fork so I have no point of reference.

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    @TitanofChaos... yup I liked her and got her for a what I thought was a good enough price ... talked to trek and got the info on min seatpost insert and verified I'd be ok with the thompson setback... need to get her out to the trails still (which is scheduled for sat)

    prob just as you said... it's an oversagged 100mm... but being right in the middle also means that a racer that wants to quicken things up a smidge is safe to use 80mm if they want without dropping the BB a ton n such...

    I'm sure they weighted the options of springing the bike from the factory.... but that would obviously bump the price another notch (and at $1500 it's not a super great bargain IMHO) so the rigid keeps it at a reasonable pricepoint and does look the part of the retro klunker (although I do wonder what it would look like with a truss fork on it lol... see how blacksheepish/jonesy we can get it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    * (edit: after measuring this morning I discovered the a to c difference between the stock Sawyer fork and the unsagged Rock Shox fork is actually 45mm(!), not 20mm) [/B]
    Which is why in the other thread I mentioned that if you wanted the suspension to handle like the rigid you needed an 80mm fork. An unsagged Fox at 80mm has an A to C of 490mm and the 100mm has 510mm.

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    It now has gears... XT 1x10....


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    that hip flask in the holder is hands down awesome.

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    few very bad pics of my sawyer... she goes out for her maiden voyage in the woods tomorrow

    running a salsa enabler fork (which is lighter then the stock fork haha) with a big fat sheba rim (80mm) and a surly big fat larry tire. dore/slx mix... waiting on a shimano brake hose to come in... when it does I've got some XT dual control leaver/shifters and calipers to go on and I'll tidy up the hose runs.







    and yes there are A LOT of spacers on the fork tube... I cut it long to be able to find the right fit for myself (it's a lot easier to shorten then lengthen down the road ;-)... and lastly the ergon grips are only on for a bit, have some other grips that'll go on soon but don't want to worry about slipping for tomms ride
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    This is mine. I'm about to get a brooks saddle

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    1/2 fat sawyer her first time out.




    like the ride... will need to lower the pressure on the big fat larry up front (started at 15psi looks like i'll prob be trying 10 or so next time out) and the seat post kept slipping... the stupid clamp is bottomed out so i'll have to have the shop swap out one that actually will work... and the saddle is a little narrow for me... but overall i'm very happy with her, has a great feel out on the trail.
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    Went tubeless and laced up a new rear hub. Formula DC-295. Weighed it tonight, 26.76lbs....

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    what are you guys paying for your new Sawyers? My LBS has them listed on their site @ $1199
    Trek Sawyer (Gary Fisher Collection) - Bike Barn - Houston, Texas:

    Is that a good deal? They have to ship it to my local store so I can test ride, wont be there till Wednesday.

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    they can do better... I talked to my LBS about this price...
    Trek Sawyer (Gary Fisher Collection) - Bike Shop Chicago - The Bike Experts for Bicycle Sales, Bicycle Service, Bike Parts, Bike Repair, Bicycle Accessories

    and they offered me $1100 without any grief... but the sister shop had one in stock that they'd pulled apart and had a "custom build" on (which was a better in a few important parts) and got it for $1000 + tax... could prob have fought to get a little lower but I was happy with the price...

    another option is to see if they can toss in a few bonus extras for the price... there isn't a big margin on bikes but there is a fairly large margin on the other stuff so they tend to be happier to do deals on extras with a bike purchess...
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    I've noticed bike barn seems to be higher than any other shop in Houston. They're great people but you'll definitely pay a bit more. My trek mamba was listed at $869 at every other shop in Houston but the best bike barn was willing to sell it for was $899.

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    Forgot about this thread. Finally got my Sawyer SS out for a shakedown run here in Phoenix. Running mine with a 100mm Reba. This is a third rig for me and I hadn't actually ridden SS in quite awhile.

    I was very pleased overall. Forgiving frame, relatively slack (which is my preference), neutral handling. I suppose it's heavier than the norm, but I didn't notice while riding.

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    I just received a Sawyer as a warranty replacement for a cracked Ferrous. I'm trying to decide what to do with it. (Thinking about selling it and picking up a Salsa El Mariachi)

    My question is how will this bike work with my '08 Reba? I'm not brushed up on how the different fork offset will change the handling.

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    Sorry to say...

    The Sawyer handles very different than the Ferrous. The longer wheel base and slacker head tube angle is very different than the Ferrous. I would say an El Mariachi is going to ride much more like a Ferrous. There are many good options (more than I can remember)... a Niner SIR9 would also be a good choice.

    Not trying to bash the Sawyer at all, just a very different handling bike than the Ferrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    I just received a Sawyer as a warranty replacement for a cracked Ferrous. I'm trying to decide what to do with it. (Thinking about selling it and picking up a Salsa El Mariachi)

    My question is how will this bike work with my '08 Reba? I'm not brushed up on how the different fork offset will change the handling.

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    my memory is foggy was the ferrous g2 geo or not?... don't think it did... if thats the case the fork will be non g2 offset so in theory the sawyer will handle like it's about a degree more slack then if it was... but because it's set at 80mm you gain that 1degree back...

    in reality the rigid fork on the sawyer is right between an 80 and 100mm I personally wouldn't hesitate to build it with the fork out at 100m.. if you want it a bit quicker drop it down to 80mm but know you'll loose a smidge of BB height and have to adjust your cockpit a smidge back

    but if you are a racer type and can't get over the frames weight then sell it and buy something else (like that salsa... I dig mine... but i'm a big guy and a few lbs doesn't really make me any slower then I already am lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSTONGE View Post
    The Sawyer handles very different than the Ferrous. The longer wheel base and slacker head tube angle is very different than the Ferrous. I would say an El Mariachi is going to ride much more like a Ferrous. There are many good options (more than I can remember)... a Niner SIR9 would also be a good choice.

    Not trying to bash the Sawyer at all, just a very different handling bike than the Ferrous.

    Good luck.
    Would you say the Sawyer has a more than average amount of front wheel flop? It has a pretty slack headtube.

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    front wheel flop

    I didn't notice "wheel flop" at low or high speeds.


    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Would you say the Sawyer has a more than average amount of front wheel flop? It has a pretty slack headtube.

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    Whats wheel flop?

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    if you rake a wheel out to far the wheel tends to "flop" from one side to the other
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    Ah I see. I have no trouble with that on mine. Very stable on everything I ride.

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    Some assembly required:



    Hoping to get mine built this weekend. The race is on. Will the baby arrive or will the bike get built? Who knows!

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    what did it take to get the frameset only?... I really dig the goldish color of the 2012 also like where they put the trek logo (oh so subtle)... heck I appreciate that even on my 2011... not branded like crazy like most of their frames are
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    what did it take to get the frameset only?
    It's a warranty replacement for a cracked Ferrous.

    I too appreciate the subtle branding on the bike. They did this one right and let the curvy frame lines do the talking. When I look at it, it feels like someone spent a lot of time and energy getting all the details nailed down. I don't get that feeling from nearly enough bikes lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    It's a warranty replacement for a cracked Ferrous.
    and I'd know that if i'd looked at all to your old posts lol

    the ti post makes me think you've got about as comfy and compliant of a rigid as you can get (outside of going to a jones ti spaceframe haha)
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    I bought my frame from a shop I found online. Built it up from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    1/2 fat sawyer her first time out.




    like the ride... will need to lower the pressure on the big fat larry up front (started at 15psi looks like i'll prob be trying 10 or so next time out) and the seat post kept slipping... the stupid clamp is bottomed out so i'll have to have the shop swap out one that actually will work... and the saddle is a little narrow for me... but overall i'm very happy with her, has a great feel out on the trail.
    was at the shop last week and had a change to weigh my bike... changes from as pictured add WTB exiwolf 2.3 kevlar bead tire out back and WTB pureV sadle...

    all came out to a massive 36lbs lol...

    on a side note... got out to the trail again with the new seatpost clamp so no stopping every mile to rise the seatpost over and over, dropped the fat front down to 10psi (as per my 12 year old blackburn hand pump) and things where MUCH smoother, add the wider saddle and the fatter rear tire the ride was much smoother and comfy
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    nice lookin bike

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    did they raise the MSRP?

    looking on treks web page it's showing MSRP $1539.99... wasn't it right at $1499 like last week? or was it 1550?... my memory sucks but I did notice it has changed lol

    just noticed so was wondering haha
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    Here's how the one I have is set up now. I found a shorter stem and longer bar than stock helps to mitigate the flop at low speed/climbing. Much better this way. So far I have it pretty close to where I want it. Next step is to get an even wider bar.
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    The price on the Trek website did go up, but I checked the local Boulder,CO Trek website and they had 2011's in 17 and 19 on sale for $961 yesterday. When I asked if they would honour that price for a 21 they said sure so I now I get to wait a couple weeks till it get here!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah!!!

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    I got mine 3 weeks ago from a shop near New Orleans for $999. I borrowed a few parts from my other bikes. I will be putting Big Apples on when I get home from work from Louisiana in couple weeks. Shimano Alfine 8-Spd will be going on sometime later. It will be my Cruiser for the Beach.
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    I picked up a 2011 sawyer in Austin yesterday for $999

    Bought a 19" instead of the 17" that I expected to buy. 17 seemed small with the mustache handlebars. Some of the components seemed cheap

    Haven't decided if I'm going to convert to SS yet. The sawyer will replace a bikesdirect deadeye SS that I really enjoyed.

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    ya for $1500 the components are pretty sup par... back in 08 its just over what I got on my sub $700 redline 29er... (X5 + "redline oem") er... and add discs vs V's lol... we're def paying for the kewl frame... but I think pretty much everyone that buys one knows that lol
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    I bought a frame only from CL, so it didn't come with any of the components. Can someone list up the type of stock components? Main thing I'm wondering is if the front derailleur is a bottom swing. It appears so in the stock photos. Thanks.

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    2011 had a top mount...

    how much did ya pay on the frame?... is it the '11 grey frame?

    27.2mm seatpost
    31.8 seatpost clamp (that tube is THICK)
    not sure on the front D but I now mine has a spacer on it to fit....
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    donalson, thanks for the info!

    Sorry for the newb question, but is a top mount a bottom swing then? I'm looking at an XT M786 if that helps. I've been trying to read up on components as much as possible, but I'm having a bit of information overload!

    I got a pretty good deal, $225. And, it WAS the 2011 gray...

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    awesome deal... thats the way to buy it for sure if you can lol...
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    Got my frame back today from getting a custom powder coat, but I don't have enough posts to put up a pic.

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    Also would still like a stock fork if anyone has one for sale.

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    Blue Sawyer!

    Yea!!! I made a few more posts so I could add pics of my new powder coated Sawyer. It's tough to tell in these photos, but it's a dual stage powder coat and really changes depending on lighting. In shadows, it's a grayish blue, but in direct sunlight it's nice deep blue with lots of metal flake. Hope the photos show some of this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyA View Post
    Yea!!! I made a few more posts so I could add pics of my new powder coated Sawyer. It's tough to tell in these photos, but it's a dual stage powder coat and really changes depending on lighting. In shadows, it's a grayish blue, but in direct sunlight it's nice deep blue with lots of metal flake. Hope the photos show some of this.



    It's hard to tell from the lighting what the fade looks like. But, it really doesn't matter. That frame looks great. I can't wait to see the finished project. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyA View Post
    Also would still like a stock fork if anyone has one for sale.
    I have a stock fork from an '11 available. Ridden once around the block and removed. PM for details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyA View Post
    Yea!!! I made a few more posts so I could add pics of my new powder coated Sawyer. It's tough to tell in these photos, but it's a dual stage powder coat and really changes depending on lighting. In shadows, it's a grayish blue, but in direct sunlight it's nice deep blue with lots of metal flake. Hope the photos show some of this.




    Nice! Looks like Fender Lake Placid Blue. Or Gibson Pelham Blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t135 View Post
    Nice! Looks like Fender Lake Placid Blue. Or Gibson Pelham Blue.
    Thanks, I have ordered a bunch of parts to build it up. I will post up pics/status as I progress with the build up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyA View Post
    Yea!!! I made a few more posts so I could add pics of my new powder coated Sawyer. It's tough to tell in these photos, but it's a dual stage powder coat and really changes depending on lighting. In shadows, it's a grayish blue, but in direct sunlight it's nice deep blue with lots of metal flake. Hope the photos show some of this.
    She's a beaut. It's always tough to catch those pretty powdercoats on camera.

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