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    Quote Originally Posted by 202cycle
    So far, there is no SS only right dropout, so we may just have to cut the hanger off.
    You need the dropout from a Rig or SS Marlin. They use the same dropouts as the Sawyer.

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    Unfortunately, you would have to purchase a Rig or SS Marlin to get the dropout. Trek has a part number, but no part, not even in the warranty dept.

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    JHK's proto belt drive sawyer:

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    Do you have a link where I can see more of those photos, or is that the only one?

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    That one came from JHKs twitter feed, no more info on it.

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    me no hate the crivitz

    just came back to say that I finally threw on the stock crivitz bars with lock-on grips and I absolutely love how they feel on this bike. actually, it felt like an entirely new bike compared to when i had the carbon syntace bars and ergon grips. the shape of the crivitz feels similar to these old school bars on my ross, which i like a lot. this is how the sawyer is suppose to ridden, imo.
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    i had my crivitz set up with a 110mm stem and swapped out for an 80mm stem, same rise-17degree, felt just right, this was coming from lo-rise bonty RL.
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    Mine is in
    Going to wait till after Christmas to pic it up.
    I want to wait and see what Santa gets me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    just came back to say that I finally threw on the stock crivitz bars with lock-on grips and I absolutely love how they feel on this bike. actually, it felt like an entirely new bike compared to when i had the carbon syntace bars and ergon grips. the shape of the crivitz feels similar to these old school bars on my ross, which i like a lot. this is how the sawyer is suppose to ridden, imo.

    So the Ergons didn't work too good off-road on a rigid fork? I have a set of Bontrager XXX grips on right now and they are way too thin for a rigid fork...I was thinking ESI Chunkys but they are a PIA to take off once on, so while in the experimentation stage (making the choice between keeping the TruVativ that is currently installed or the Crivitz), I want a grip that goes on and comes off fairly easily. The stock lock-ons are super hard and suck even with a suspension fork....I was thinking a set of the Ergon GP-1 Biocork.

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    ODI Rogue gets high marks

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    picked up my 21" yesterday. Quadzilla81 is dead on, stock 30lbs. as expected,she is a TANK! i suspect it would be pretty easy to lighten up if you wanted. wheelset felt heavy when i was changing the rubber. after noticing the weight, i noticed it is looooong! the wheelbase is 45.5". i dont know, that may not be all that long, but my regular trail bike is a custom Black Cat singlespeed which has a wheelbase of 42" and is just over 23lbs. so this is noticeably a different beast...as i expected.

    so i changed out the rubber, the saddle, the seatpost, the stem, the grips, and the handlebars (look for all the take-offs in the mtbr classifieds soon!). this is not gonna be a trail bike for me, it will be my casual around town bike that may see me drop it off on some urban trails now and then for short blast to get the heart rate humming. it could make a good 'trainer' bike, if i got in shape running this up the steep hills, i could really make the 6 lbs lighter Black Cat scream up hill!

    so it is heavy and it is long...but it still has cool feel and ride to it. i cant help but think of a leatherman tool when i ride it...while it may not be the best tool for the job, it is capable of doing alot of things when you are in a pinch. cool retro look, can easily go singlespeed, and can even go belt drive if you wanna give that a shot! i suspect the "potential" is a big selling point for most people on this bike, and i doubt too many people are buying it as thier primary trail ride.

    the 8th grader in me thinks of it kinda like a 'Fat Chick' of the bike world...while you may not want her to be your ONLY girlfriend, she does have a great personality and is alot of fun to have around.

    ...i better stop after that remark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    just came back to say that I finally threw on the stock crivitz bars with lock-on grips and I absolutely love how they feel on this bike. actually, it felt like an entirely new bike compared to when i had the carbon syntace bars and ergon grips. the shape of the crivitz feels similar to these old school bars on my ross, which i like a lot. this is how the sawyer is suppose to ridden, imo.

    So the Ergons didn't work too good off-road on a rigid fork? I have a set of Bontrager XXX grips on right now and they are way too thin for a rigid fork...I was thinking ESI Chunkys but they are a PIA to take off once on, so while in the experimentation stage (making the choice between keeping the TruVativ that is currently installed or the Crivitz), I want a grip that goes on and comes off fairly easily. The stock lock-ons are super hard and suck even with a suspension fork....I was thinking a set of the Ergon GP-1 Biocork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclvframe
    So the Ergons didn't work too good off-road on a rigid fork? I have a set of Bontrager XXX grips on right now and they are way too thin for a rigid fork...I was thinking ESI Chunkys but they are a PIA to take off once on, so while in the experimentation stage (making the choice between keeping the TruVativ that is currently installed or the Crivitz), I want a grip that goes on and comes off fairly easily. The stock lock-ons are super hard and suck even with a suspension fork....I was thinking a set of the Ergon GP-1 Biocork.

    -r
    Ergon grips work just fine on a rigid bike, but that said if you didn't like the Ergon grips, changing to the GP-1 BioKork won't change your mind. They feel nearly identical to the regular GP-1's.

    If you want a cushy, larger grip, there is no better choice than a good ol' Oury grip.

    I also like Ergon GA-1's which do not have the paddle shape. They work well for aggressive riding and single speed.
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    Just picked my Sawyer up last night and love it so far great design and super comfortable. I also didn't like the stock grips, swapped them out for ODI rouges. Excellent grip, soft and real easy to take on and off. Have them on my singlespeed also and never had an issue.

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    Just built mine up 17.5". It's a frame only build and will be run singlespeed. It's right around 22lbs complete, only missing a chain (waiting for bike shop to open tomorrow for a new chain). That's acceptable for me. The only things I kept on it were the frame and handlebar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    ODI Rogue gets high marks
    I was at my local shop searching out some ODI Rogues....found them. While looking at them, I was talking to a couple of the shop guys to get their opinions. The Rogues were definitely far more rubbery feeling than the stock grips or many other lock-ons. As we talked, though, I asked about good ole Oury grips. Well, as luck would have it, they had both the regular Ourys and a set of lock-on Oury....now the dilemma...the Rouges or the Ourys. Well, I went for the Ourys since I've always had good luck with them. As I was swapping everything over last night, I went to open the package and guess what....the Oury lock-ons are made by none-other than ODI! They're basically nothing more than the ODI Rouge with the traditional Oury block style. Win-Win!

    I have yet to go off road with the Crivitz handlebar....initial impression around the street is that they'll be comfy although they've increased my reach a bit. I'll know for sure as soon as the rain lets up and I get a chance to trail test them.

    Thanks for all the grip suggestions!!

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    Ok, Weight weenies look away now. This is not for the light hearted.

    Just stripped down my 21" and here are the weights.
    A bit more than I had expected
    21" frame 7lbs 12oz.
    Matching fork 2lbs 13oz.
    This going to be my road warrior so that is fine with me.
    I just cannot get into the skinny tired road bike thing.
    I have some 2.35" Big Apples for this baby.
    Just got in my P35 rims. and I am thinking of running the Alfine 8spd.

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    Retro coolness sure weighs a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    Just built mine up 17.5". It's a frame only build and will be run singlespeed. It's right around 22lbs complete,........
    I'd love to see your bike on a scale...Quadzilla81's frame and fork alone came out to 10lbs 9 ozs. His is much bigger though.
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    ^ ^ ^ ^ Yes it does.

    21" frame 7lbs 12oz.
    Matching fork 2lbs 13oz.

    oof.

    whelll... it is a whole bike, geared and disc'ed for $1400...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla81
    Ok, Weight weenies look away now. This is not for the light hearted.

    Just stripped down my 21" and here are the weights.
    A bit more than I had expected
    21" frame 7lbs 12oz.
    Matching fork 2lbs 13oz.
    This going to be my road warrior so that is fine with me.
    I just cannot get into the skinny tired road bike thing.
    I have some 2.35" Big Apples for this baby.
    Just got in my P35 rims. and I am thinking of running the Alfine 8spd.
    I had a 18" Surly Instigator for years and the frame weighed, if memory serves, around six and a half pounds. It was a super fun bike but the weight did get annoying after awhile especially after riding other sturdy steel bikes a pound lighter. Seven and a three quarter pounds is really surprising even considering it's a larger frame and a 29 incher. I'm sure it will still be a super fun and great riding frame in the application you're planning though. It'll probably be sturdy enough to remain dent-free and to survive the 2012 megapocalypse too.

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    I don't want to be a total buzz-kill... but at this weight, at the price... what is the value other than the "cool" factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHaq
    I don't want to be a total buzz-kill... but at this weight, at the price... what is the value other than the "cool" factor?
    Good question, but custom makers like Retrotec have niches making bikes like this, so someone's buying them. Time will tell if it's big enough for Trek to bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    Good question, but custom makers like Retrotec have niches making bikes like this, so someone's buying them. Time will tell if it's big enough for Trek to bother.
    this guy on my Hunter at SOC '08
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    Originally posted by SelfPropelledDevo: this guy on my Hunter at SOC '08
    It should be noted that Rick Hunter has been noted as being one of Gary Fisher's favorite custom builders. So, I can totally see why he admired your bike. (I have always liked it as well)

    I'm sure Gary has always had a soft spot for cruiser designs since he got his feet wet mountain biking on a Schwinn. This sort of design has popped up here and there in Fisher's line throughout the years, which may reinforce that idea for some. It certainly has for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It should be noted that Rick Hunter has been noted as being one of Gary Fisher's favorite custom builders. So, I can totally see why he admired your bike. (I have always liked it as well)

    I'm sure Gary has always had a soft spot for cruiser designs since he got his feet wet mountain biking on a Schwinn. This sort of design has popped up here and there in Fisher's line throughout the years, which may reinforce that idea for some. It certainly has for me.
    absolutely
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    and the thought of a double top tubed bike with a glove box, complete with stainless steel tumble lock a-la-briefcase style... perhaps a tweed lining...
    come on! you know the style begs for the tech

    I suppose a full rigid carbon 29er, disc brakes, locking glove box... urban/dirt/touring do it all.

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    Chain Tensioner Bolt??

    Hey guys, the sawyer is a nice looking bike. Does it have a bolt for tensioning the chain??

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnV
    I'd love to see your bike on a scale...Quadzilla81's frame and fork alone came out to 10lbs 9 ozs. His is much bigger though.

    If this means anything I'll post my build list then, I'll try to snap a scale photo.

    Frame: Trek sawyer
    Fork: black sheep Ti The fork is about half the weight of the stock fork
    headset: Chris king pewter
    Seatpost: black sheep Ti
    Wheelset: Stans 355 built to Dt 240's
    Tires: Schwalbe RR and Kenda Karma run tubeless
    Crank: XTR 970 Cermikoat (grey)
    Stem: Bontrager Race X lite Ceramikoat grey http://www.ceramikoat.com/ for the stem and cranks
    Handle bar: crivits
    Grips: easy Foam
    Brakes: Paul love levers, and Avid BB7's
    pedals: shimano XT
    Saddle: Brooks Swift Ti
    Chain: Sram 8 speed
    Skewers: front is Controltech Ti and rear is KCNC Ti
    Chainring is a blackspire 34t and Cog is a Niner 20t
    Bolts are all ti

    I just weighed it with the 8speed chain added and new sealant added to both tires, it weighs 23lbs 3oz
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd
    Hey guys, the sawyer is a nice looking bike. Does it have a bolt for tensioning the chain??

    Thanks.
    Yes, It has a split drop out on the drive side (For belt drive) and both sides have a sliding dropout design. with built in tensioners.

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    For BunnV Here's a photo of the scale weight after chain and sealant added. As i said above around 22lbs was without the Chain, sorry if the way i wrote it made it seem as though it was 22lbs complete. I only have my iphone for photos, so this is about the best photo I can get with the phone focusing on the scale, anything further away you can't read the scale at all.

    Right now I'm trying to figure out how to work out a rattle that is within the center horizontal tube. The tube doesn't appear to be open on the ends, so whatever got in their was during welding, and it rattles if I move the bike vertical. Just a little annoyance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    For BunnV Here's a photo of the scale weight after chain and sealant added. As i said above around 22lbs was without the Chain, sorry if the way i wrote it made it seem as though it was 22lbs complete...
    No need to apologize smoen81 . 23lbs is definitely "around" 22lbs. Either way, your bike is sweet. Thanks for the pictures. Now I know what’s possible with a Sawyer.
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    Test fit my cranks with the new spindle.
    I think they will work with the retro theme.
    Needs different bolts though.

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    Had a chance to ride the Sawyer the other day,and was honestly shocked. I thought it would feel clunky,harsh,and slow,but knew after a quick loop around the block that it would be my next bike. It feels long,but rides quick.

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    anyone have any suggestions on how to get at the middle horizontal tube. I've tried everything to try and get at it. I'm trying to get a small piece of metal or something out from inside the tube and have had no luck so far. It's been down to the frame and shaken over and over and over at all angles with no luck. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I can't even tell if the tube has any openings to the downtube. It does not appear to have any openings into the seat tube. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    anyone have any suggestions on how to get at the middle horizontal tube. I've tried everything to try and get at it. I'm trying to get a small piece of metal or something out from inside the tube and have had no luck so far. It's been down to the frame and shaken over and over and over at all angles with no luck. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I can't even tell if the tube has any openings to the downtube. It does not appear to have any openings into the seat tube. Thanks.
    I hate to say it but I think you need to get a warranty replacement frame. Sounds like whatever is in the frame is in there for good....
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    I'm 5'7" and have to cuff my 30" inseam Levi 501's to keep from stepping on the hems and fraying them out. I tend to prefer typical 26er MTB frames in 16" to 17",and 18" is definitely larger than I like.

    Since this would by my first 29er, and the smallest size is 17.5" - should I be worried? The non-trad frame design gives me pause... I do plan on singletracking on some rocky trails and don't want to bust my nads, as it were. Also would be using platform pedals and skateboard sneakers most of the time.

    Already looked at the Trek geometry specs and frame sizing chart. Not certain enough to make an online order. I do like the bike if I can get it for $1100-1200, and would be doing an Alfine 11spd buildup after about a year. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as Trek hasn't replied to my directly emailing them as of yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratosrally
    I'm 5'7" and have to cuff my 30" inseam Levi 501's to keep from stepping on the hems and fraying them out. I tend to prefer typical 26er MTB frames in 16" to 17",and 18" is definitely larger than I like.

    Since this would by my first 29er, and the smallest size is 17.5" - should I be worried? The non-trad frame design gives me pause... I do plan on singletracking on some rocky trails and don't want to bust my nads, as it were. Also would be using platform pedals and skateboard sneakers most of the time.

    Already looked at the Trek geometry specs and frame sizing chart. Not certain enough to make an online order. I do like the bike if I can get it for $1100-1200, and would be doing an Alfine 11spd buildup after about a year. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as Trek hasn't replied to my directly emailing them as of yet.
    Do you not have a Trek dealer close by that you could go see how you fit on on other 29er models? Seems to me that you should really swing your leg over one before taking a shot in the dark.

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    I have one at my shop and those bars are super comfy, I rode it down the road a couple miles and they feel great, we have a twisty short trail as well and I liked how the bars felt. gonna try and get one of these.

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    Is this the bike with GFs new "Slippery Hamster" geo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669
    Is this the bike with GFs new "Slippery Hamster" geo?
    What? It's G2. Same as the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    anyone have any suggestions on how to get at the middle horizontal tube. I've tried everything to try and get at it. I'm trying to get a small piece of metal or something out from inside the tube and have had no luck so far. It's been down to the frame and shaken over and over and over at all angles with no luck. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I can't even tell if the tube has any openings to the downtube. It does not appear to have any openings into the seat tube. Thanks.
    Both bikes that we received had debris in them as well. We removed the seat post and were able to remove it that way on both bikes. We had already greased the seat tube and all the little metal bits got stuck in the grease which scored the end up the post when we tried to reinsert it. Now we know to shake the crap out of them before greasing the seat tube

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    A stroke of inspiration just hit

    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    And then the Inglis Retrotec Triple
    Retrotecs are beautiful bikes but what would a bike brand called Retro-Smegma look like? Probably not so nice. Any budding entrepreneurs feel free to use that name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratosrally
    I'm 5'7" and have to cuff my 30" inseam Levi 501's to keep from stepping on the hems and fraying them out. I tend to prefer typical 26er MTB frames in 16" to 17",and 18" is definitely larger than I like.

    Since this would by my first 29er, and the smallest size is 17.5" - should I be worried? The non-trad frame design gives me pause... I do plan on singletracking on some rocky trails and don't want to bust my nads, as it were. Also would be using platform pedals and skateboard sneakers most of the time.

    Already looked at the Trek geometry specs and frame sizing chart. Not certain enough to make an online order. I do like the bike if I can get it for $1100-1200, and would be doing an Alfine 11spd buildup after about a year. Any help would be greatly appreciated, as Trek hasn't replied to my directly emailing them as of yet.
    I'm 5'8" with a 31" inseam and bought the 17.5". This bike has a higher standover than any of my other frames. To the point where it is touching my groin while I stand over the twin top tubes. That's with flat sneakers on. The bike fits well, but one of the first comments I made was how much higher the standover was than I was used to. I think that the high standover is a result of the aesthetically designed curving top tubes. I hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    anyone have any suggestions on how to get at the middle horizontal tube. I've tried everything to try and get at it. I'm trying to get a small piece of metal or something out from inside the tube and have had no luck so far. It's been down to the frame and shaken over and over and over at all angles with no luck. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I can't even tell if the tube has any openings to the downtube. It does not appear to have any openings into the seat tube. Thanks.
    Air hose and pressure gun is what I have seen to remove media lodged in frames.

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    slippery hamster...

    thats f-ing funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoen81
    I'm 5'8" with a 31" inseam and bought the 17.5". This bike has a higher standover than any of my other frames. To the point where it is touching my groin while I stand over the twin top tubes. That's with flat sneakers on. The bike fits well, but one of the first comments I made was how much higher the standover was than I was used to. I think that the high standover is a result of the aesthetically designed curving top tubes. I hope that helps.
    Many thanks, the difference created by the twin curved top tubes is exactly what I was concerned with. I appreciate you mentioning that you were wearing sneakers, as I stopped using light hikers because they were too stiff in the ankle area. I'll look at other bikes with more of sloping top tube design... I do like a longer wheelbase & chainstay bike with a tallish, somewhat slack front end. And steel with a rigid fork is a must!

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    Today's Trek Sawyer

    I couldn't resist, pulled the trigger after my LBS made a deal to strip off the components group and wheels. I think she's a piece of art, and affordable one unlike a custom Hunter or a Jones Spaceframe (not to suggest that the Sawyer rides like one or that the Spaceframe is not worth, just for me I can't justify the cost).

    First impressions are that it's solid, but slow handling. I guess the technical term would be understeer, like a slow response - sorta flops over when you make a slow turn, whereas my Niner MCR with a 80 mm Reba is quick. But that's not really a complaint, just an observation - I do kinda like the way it feels, and you get used to it pretty quickly. Paint job is impressive, seems like it's will not chip or scratch too easily, though time will truly tell on that one. And I'm digging the crivitz handlebar, have to agree with tw3nty9er that that's how she should be ridden - with a crivitz or similar bar.

    I'm no expert, but to me this bike feels more like an urban cruiser than a technical trail hardtail. Not that you can't hit the trails with it, but again compared with my MCR it just doesn't feel as agile and quick for tight, twisty, rooty singletrack with logs and other fun stuff. Should suit my purpose perfectly: an all-rounder - back roads to gravel roads to paved pathways to singletrack and back again.

    May be a SS conversion in her future - hard to resist with that design.






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    BmoreKen, congrats! She just gets better with every ride too. Seriously, once you get a good feel for the way she handles and get used to her bumps it's a completely joy to ride. I've been commuting about 5 miles everyday through the snow with mine and this is easily my favorite part of the day. It just rolls so smoothly, imo. also, with regard to the handling, maybe it understeers just a tad but I grown to love it and think it makes for a very stable a secure feeling ride.

    side note: i just replaced my brooks with the stock saddle and it's actually quite nice. might be my new favorite mtn saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    side note: i just replaced my brooks with the stock saddle and it's actually quite nice. might be my new favorite mtn saddle.
    I'm a big fan of the Bonty saddles

    And BTW, really dig the way you set your bike up, with the silver cranks and headset, etc. Looks sweet.

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    Took advantage of a dry break between impending showers and all the melted snow that has kept most of our local SORBA maintained trails closed in Atlanta. Although by the end of the ride it was getting a little mucky with the freeze\thaw thing going on....none-the-less, it was a nice ride!

    The Sawyer is easily my favorite bike right now.....although I have a 2011 SF HT Elite and a 2010 SF 100 all hanging side-by-side in the garage, the Sawyer is the only mtb I've ridden in the last month. The more I ride it, the more comfortable I get with the whole rigid fork thing. I even have a Fox RLC fork sitting there ready to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmoreKen
    I'm a big fan of the Bonty saddles

    And BTW, really dig the way you set your bike up, with the silver cranks and headset, etc. Looks sweet.
    Thanks! I'm thinking about buying a red chainring from homebrew and possibly a red salsa flip off skewer from salsa. a little color wouldn't hurt.

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    @oclvframe - them tires look huge! what are you running with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    a little color wouldn't hurt.
    I think it's a beautiful frame and would love to see one painted in bright colors like a Retrotec or original Schwinn "Krate" bike.
    I'm unique, just like everyone else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    @oclvframe - them tires look huge! what are you running with?
    I put on a matched set of 29-3 2.25s Team Issues....(not the wire-bead crap that came on the bike)....running tubeless with 18psi in back and 15psi up front.

    I really like those tires...had them on the Rumblefish I bought to take to Moab and really liked them there...figured it would be a good tire for the Sawyer.

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    Someone has a 17.5" frame set up for sale on ebay:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tchlink:top:en

    Strange description though - who buys a Sawyer for it's mediocre build kit and sells the frame?

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    Someone who may have realized the cool factor isn't worth the 10lb frameset. I would have already bought one if it weren't so heavy.

    or

    Someone who works at a Trek dealer bought one and is now selling the frame. If you buy it at cost and sell the frame for 525, you got a pretty nice component package for pretty cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    Someone who may have realized the cool factor isn't worth the 10lb frameset. I would have already bought one if it weren't so heavy.
    is it really 10lbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    is it really 10lbs?
    Just under 8lbs for the frame and almost 3lbs for the fork. If the frameset were in the 5lb range, then sure, but at 8lbs for the frame? Just over 30lbs stock. I saw one with XT and a Fox and it's still around 30lbs. IMO too heavy for a bike that costs that much, even if it looks awesome.

    I would ride it with a suspension fork for sure. Rigid isn't my cup of tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    IMO too heavy for a bike that costs that much, even if it looks awesome.
    can't say i disagree.
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    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    Sawyer belt drive

    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Seriously considering one, however, I wish I could learn more about it before I throw down a deposit on one. Has anyone heard any gossip about this bike? What assumptions can you extrapolate from the info that's already out there (see trek's website)?

    It look's heavy but maybe all the extra tubes are throwing my off. Will it be vertically compliant and laterally stiff? for some reason it looks like it would be a little noodlish to me but I just don't have a ton of experience (only been in the game for 1.5 yrs).
    I finally got my Sawyer fitted up with a Gates Carbon Drive system and it dropped about 3 full pounds, along with a Moots post, Bonty "Crowbar" lo riser and Maxxis Crossmark tires front and back. Gearing is 39X22 which we (Gavin at Gates and I) decided was closest to my normal 32X18.

    It's not light and it was expensive to just get it down to ~26 pound range. But it is a great ride that is in no way noodley. The Ti post helps with vert compliance. The straighter bar helped me get the steering quicker, so now the handling to me is just like the other G2 bikes. I've gotten lots of comments on the trails, on the road and in parking lots with the bike on the roof rack.

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    That's a beautiful looking frame. Saw one at my LBS a couple weeks ago. It came as a frame and fork and was a size medium. To satisfy my own curiosity, I asked if we could weigh it. Keep in mind, that the frame still had some packing foam attached. At any rate, I placed frame and fork on the scale and it weighed-in at 10 lbs. 14 oz. including the aforementioned packing foam. However, I can't image that packing material weighed more than a couple ounces? Still want one but shedding weight will be expensive.

    Please post more pics of your belt-drive bike. That's what I have in mind as well. It sounds like you've got a sweet build but hard to tell in the lower res photos.

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    Fyi' Sawyers in stock at distributers

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    Saw one myself in a shop in Austin a couple days ago - but I'm happy with my just-purchased Haro Beasley 1x9 650b. The 16" frame size (found used, no less!) suits my short inseam way better than the smallest Sawyer ever would. Not as pretty a frame, though!

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    I recently bought a Sawyer frame/fork on fleabay. I was planning on building it up as a gates belt drive SS. But the largest chainring that will fit is a gates 39t (due to chainring/chainstay clearance), and coupled with their (smallest) 20t rear cog, would put me at 15.1 mph at 90rpm. I think that is a little too spinny.
    My other belt option is to go internal gear hub.
    What to do, what to do? Rohloff? So much coin... Any advice welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy Shagmore
    I recently bought a Sawyer frame/fork on fleabay. I was planning on building it up as a gates belt drive SS. But the largest chainring that will fit is a gates 39t (due to chainring/chainstay clearance), and coupled with their (smallest) 20t rear cog, would put me at 15.1 mph at 90rpm. I think that is a little too spinny.
    My other belt option is to go internal gear hub.
    What to do, what to do? Rohloff? So much coin... Any advice welcome.


    I was considering an Alfine 8 speed hub . Check out the Internal gear hub sub forum:

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    Shimano was supposed to have a new and improved Alfine rear hub with 11 speeds for 2011. As I recall it was 100 grams lighter as well?

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    I've posted this before, but I'm pretty stoked on this thing so... Here's my Sawyer built up as a winter fixed gear training bike. So far it has been awesome.

    Yes, thats a bit of surface rust. This is a pre production frame with a ghetto rattle can paint job, I'll be repainting in the spring.

    34x15 gearing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz29
    Shimano was supposed to have a new and improved Alfine rear hub with 11 speeds for 2011. As I recall it was 100 grams lighter as well?
    http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/shimano-nexus.html

    Not quite 100g lighter, but a definite improvement on the Alfine 8. NOT cheap, though...

    Lots of info at that link about Shimano IG hubs, and IG hubs in general.

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    for me it was about the cool shop factor,mine is going to be seeing most of its time being ridden with the kids and slower group rides
    mods so far are a real world
    low rise bointrager bar
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    cheap platform pedals
    of course gates belt drive 39X22 with 113 belt
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    I love the new Sawyer. Has anybody seen the Trek Broadsider, concept?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dzdimaquibo
    I love my new Sawyer. Has anybody seen the Trek Broadsider, concept?

    Does it look like a red X?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Does it look like a red X?
    oops...hopefully not anymore!
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    Here's mine. Unfortunately I only got one ride out of it until snow returned but spring is upon us!

    The only OG are F/F, brakes, cranks.
    Different parts of note are: supa-wide Chromag Fubar DH bars, Bontrager race SS wheelset, Ignitor 2.1, BBG bashguard. Sits at about 28 lbs.

    I recommend slamming the wheel as far forward as possible which helped me lift my front when needed and feel more agile.

    Biggest downsides I've seen are: the stock fork can make putting wide fenders on it tricky- I had to use vice grips to squeeze a fender through.

    I really wish it had internal cable routing-it needs that for the clean cruiser/klunker look.

    All in all I love it



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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA]
    I've posted this before, but I'm pretty stoked on this thing so... Here's my Sawyer built up as a winter fixed gear training bike. So far it has been awesome.

    Yes, thats a bit of surface rust. This is a pre production frame with a ghetto rattle can paint job, I'll be repainting in the spring.

    34x15 gearing
    Crivitz Bar
    PDW Panda Treat Grips
    Juicy Ultimate Front Brake
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    SKS Full Coverage Fenders
    Bontrager XR1 1.9" Tires

    Those fenders are sweet..... I'm getting set Thanks

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    I saw a Sawyer today at my lbs and had a chance to sit on it but not ride it yet. I'd be really interested in hearing input on these now that it's been out for awhile. I've been hoping to get a Pugsley but for financial reasons I might go this route instead...

    Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayman29
    I saw a Sawyer today at my lbs and had a chance to sit on it but not ride it yet. I'd be really interested in hearing input on these now that it's been out for awhile. I've been hoping to get a Pugsley but for financial reasons I might go this route instead...

    Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!
    I love my Sawyer...so far I have taken it on anything from my weekly training rides after work to long weekend group rides and every time I ride it I have a huge smile on my face...it is so much fun to ride!! No it is not light but dang it is fun!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclvframe
    I love my Sawyer...so far I have taken it on anything from my weekly training rides after work to long weekend group rides and every time I ride it I have a huge smile on my face...it is so much fun to ride!! No it is not light but dang it is fun!!!

    -r
    Have you ever ridden the Surly Karate Monkey? It's actually less but the Trek feels like something I could ride for a long time and upgrade if the need arises...

    Now if I can only find a deal besides straight retail in Oregon or Washington!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dzdimaquibo
    I love the new Sawyer. Has anybody seen the Trek Broadsider, concept?
    I love that thing! It looks like an old Speedway bike from the sixties! Will it come with a steel shoe?

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    The Sawyer has been a fun bike to ride around on. Definitely holding onto her...and getting ready to throw down more money to upgrade her.
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    Does anyone know the largest tires that can be run on the Sawyer?

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    Nice write up in new issue of Mountain bike magazine about the Sawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Threw a set of the 29-4 tires on the Sawyer we have on the floor (yeah Pimp - it's a 17.5") and the tires looked uber-fat on the Duster rims - and there was pretty good clearance as well - Now - just have to get a good SS hub quickly to get that rim built up on a wide-flange-spacing hub. The bars feel pretty good - but may have to throw a pair of Titec J-bars on since I don't think I'll be riding with gears...
    Did the 29-4's fit on the front and back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayman29
    Did the 29-4's fit on the front and back?
    I haven't used 29-4's on the Sawyer, but I did test fit some FR-3's on 28mm wide rims into the frame. It clears the stays with about 2-3mm to spare all around. Probably okay with dry conditions. I still have some mud to deal with around here, so I took the FR-3's off for now.

    FR-3's are just as wide as 29-4's, maybe wider at the knobs, so the comparison should give you an idea how 29-4's work. I also have 29-4's on another bike, so if I get time I'll test fit those as well.
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    Sawyer with Rohloff, Gates Carbon and Surly Fat Front

    I just got my new Trek Sawyer from my LBS (Union Cycle in Attleboro MA). It is freaking awesome. The handlebars, crankset, brakes and frame are the only stock parts.

    Rohloff 14 speed internal rear hub on a Velocity P35 rim and a 2.4in Maxxis Ardent tire.
    Phil Wood hub on a Surly Large Marge front wheel running a Surly Endomorph 3.7 inch tire.
    DT Swiss ratcheting skewers front and rear
    Surly Pugsley front fork
    X Fusion Hilo drop post with Brooks saddle
    Stock cranks with Gates belt drive
    King Ti cages


    Ron at Union Cycle did an amazingly clean job running the cables for the Rohloff. It rides great, the big front tire really absorbs the bumps the the Rohloff is really smooth shifting. Not light...37 pounds fully loaded, but I am a 300 pound guy so grams aren't really my default unit of measurement for bicycles.

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    Thanks for the public compliments Steve! If only there were more patient, appreciative customers like you in the industry.

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    No problem Ron, I believe in supporting my LBS and I am fortunate to have Union Cycle fill that role for me. Anyone on this forum, if you want a Rohloff/Gates combo, the guys at Union Cycle in Attleboro MA can hook you up, they have done it and it works great. If you want a set of custom wheels, Ron is one of the best wheel builders I have ever known. And he custom roasts coffee in his spare time too.

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    OK, newbie here that needs some help on this. Are bikes like cars where they are going to have a new line-up for next year? Any idea if for next year this bike will be offerred next year with some minor changes or paint changes? When will those be released, or do I need to take out a loan to get my hands on one now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tundra277 View Post
    OK, newbie here that needs some help on this. Are bikes like cars where they are going to have a new line-up for next year? Any idea if for next year this bike will be offerred next year with some minor changes or paint changes? When will those be released, or do I need to take out a loan to get my hands on one now.
    Yeah most of the major manufacturers have a new line each year. The Sawyer will be out again next year and probably very little if any changes (maybe build components or color). I know a lot of people are asking for a frameset only option too. The 2012 Trek lineup will probably be released in the fall (August/Sep time frame).
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    Wish they'd add a smaller frame size, or downsize the whole thing around a 650B wheel build.

    The 17.5" is just a bit too big for me.
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    Thanks for the response.

    You little guys have lots to choose from. I am 6'9' and 225 so I have been eyballing the 29'ers for awhile and I am glad to see a production "cruiser" that finally catches my eye that isn't the $$$$ of a Sheep, McClung, Retrotec etc....

    Hopefully I will be sporting one of these soon.

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    While I wouldn't want to take any choices from ya, big guy - I too would like a retro-style cruiser with somewhat modern geometry for a good price!

    Jeez, 6 foot 9 inches - what frame sizes do you normally ride?

    I recently switched from a 18" frame to a 16" and am much more comfortable offroad - I'm 5' 7".

    I straddled a 17.5" Sawyer and was seriously bustin' my nads.

    It's that split arcing top tube combined with my 29" inseam!
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    So I've had my Sawyer a few weeks now. I've done a lot of commuting to work on it on greenways and paved roads, as well as quite a bit of riding on fire roads. And today I finally took it on some rolling singletrack (Lake Crabtree for any Raleigh riders).

    As a commuter, it works great but is a little under-geared. I'm debating whether to ditch the bash guard and add a 42 or 44T ring. But I may just keep it like it is and go slower and try to "smell the roses" a little bit more. This bike isn't really about going fast anyway.

    It's an absolute blast on fire roads/carriage trails. That 2.3" wide front tire floats over loose, dry sand really well.

    This is my first 29er and I'm loving how it rolls over everything. But the lack of front suspension eventually starts to wear on this 41 year old while riding singletrack. After 1.5 hours of riding over roots I was looking forward to the beginner trails and the ride back home through Umstead Park.

    It's not the lightest, nimblest, or cheapest ride out there but it's fun and it rides great and I give the bike a hearty 2 thumbs up! I'll post pictures when I get my post count up.

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    On it's first really long ride. Urban exploration. Mostly paved trails, some dirt, some curb hopping. It's mostly stock, I replaced the seatpost / saddle / stem / grips / pedals and added my lights.

    It's a really comfortable bike. They got the cockpit right, that's for sure - I was nicely front/rear balanced with just a little bit of setback on the saddle. It's long and stable. Carves. Less 'flickable' than my Haro Mary, but springier. I think the curved tubes are doing some work to soak up bumps.

    I can't really see needing to mod it further, which is a good thing. I'll wear out these tires first and see if I need to stay knobby or maybe go for urban slicks.

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    I haven't weighed it for a while, but I think it's ~26.5 pounds.
    Nothing special, but I like it. The front tire is getting switched to a Racing Ralph 2.4 in the next week or so.
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    Fox is on....but just for a bit...

    So, ever since I tore down my 09 SF HT, I kept the fork specifically to use on my Sawyer. I had a CK crown race already on it, so all I had to do was drop the rigid fork and slap the fox in.

    The ride was just as I expected...super smooth....I had to re-learn how to ride the bike without that rigid front end...but other than that, it was a really nice ride. All that being said, I will leave Fox on and roll around on it just for giggles for a little while, but I think in the long run, I will put the rigid fork back on and leave it as my fully rigid bike.
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    I just took my girl out for her first ride on my weekday trail.

    What a great bike. I went in with the knowledge that she is a little heavy and that she is no race bike. I couldn't be more pleased. She rides very smooth and turned a trail that I have ridden a ton into a "new" adventure.

    The rigid fork will force me to become a better rider and only knocked me off the line I usually take with my Rig twice. I'm a big fan of G2 but it's not for everyone.

    I will be switching out the wheels this weekend and dropping the gears too. I'm thinking about a 22t cog over my usual 20t cog I use on the Rig.

    I feel that this is an awesome bike as long as you know what it is before you take the next step.
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    I'm really diggin' this bike the more pictures I see of it.

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    I've just finished to built mine with carbon belt drive with the help of one forumer of this post, thank you, I let you for riding, I will tell you later my feelings.
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    Hmmm...this is one fun ride! Been on it since December and can't say enough about how well it performs for a rigid bike.
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    Sorry if I missed it but are these frames orderable alone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    Sorry if I missed it but are these frames orderable alone?
    No, they are not now. No word on what 2012 might bring, but at the least, I don't see the Sawyer going away. Still a chance they may change their minds at Trek and offer a frame only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    No, they are not now. No word on what 2012 might bring, but at the least, I don't see the Sawyer going away. Still a chance they may change their minds at Trek and offer a frame only.
    They would sell ton's of them if they would offer the frame only option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    They would sell ton's of them if they would offer the frame only option.
    Agreed. I would already own one if I didn't have to deal with getting rid of all the low end parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruso414 View Post
    Agreed. I would already own one if I didn't have to deal with getting rid of all the low end parts.
    +1

    I don't get it... They make a retro space frame with sliding DOs and rigid fork, but then sell it as a complete-only with mediocre gears and derailleur, while all the SSers scratch their heads at why they can't just get a frame. Meanwhile, geared riders don't want it because it's heavy, has mediocre components at best, and lacks a squishy fork.

    Hard to figure out what Trek is thinking. Can anyone explain exactly what market this bike is supposed to be aimed at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    +1

    I don't get it... They make a retro space frame with sliding DOs and rigid fork, but then sell it as a complete-only with mediocre gears and derailleur, while all the SSers scratch their heads at why they can't just get a frame. Meanwhile, geared riders don't want it because it's heavy, has mediocre components at best, and lacks a squishy fork.

    Hard to figure out what Trek is thinking. Can anyone explain exactly what market this bike is supposed to be aimed at?
    Having had contact with several marketing guys, and some product spec folks, it is an unenviable task to spec out bikes and decide upon what the market will bear. You may know what you want, but those marketing folks can't read minds.

    Now they have an inkling what the Sawyer is, as far as market perception. I am sure they have seen the posts here about frame only options. In fact, I know they have. But we are not the only ones that matter in the equation. There are dealers to please, and folks that never even see mtbr, so, a frame only option, while seemingly a slam dunk for those here that read this, isn't necessarily a slam dunk in reality.

    I also can share that a suspended model was considered, but deemed to be too expensive for the market to bear. Decisions. Every part is scrutinized.

    And something that maybe hasn't dawned on many here: That the parts spec is mid-range should point out that the frame itself probably is spendy. I have no real basis for saying that, just my speculation here, but it does make sense when you start digging into it.

    If that is the case, and a frame only option was seen as "too expensive" by the masses, and a custom could be had for such-and-such, then perhaps Trek isn't as blind as they might seem to be, eh?

    Finally, I haven't heard that they have had trouble selling these, so that also points up that things are working out well. Maybe. I dunno...... I could be totally wrong........

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    I can't say if they are selling or not, only Trek can say for sure. I can say that I have never seen one on the trails, on the back of a car, or in an LBS in the Dallas area. Now that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but...

    The marketing dept is the one who screwed the pooch on this one IMO. Whoever designed that frame knew exactly what market they were aiming for, but somewhere along the way to production it got all F'ed up. I can't believe that the mkting dept at Trek is that clueless. If they are, some resourcing changes are justified.

    But WTF... Specialized finally just realized that 29ers weren't a pointless fad in the past couple of years. If Spec can miss the boat on that trend, I guess I can cut Trek some slack on a misstep with one bike.

    Still, even if they don't want to sell frame only, why not offer a singlespeed version? I don't think it would compete with the Rig... That's a totally different ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    .....................

    Still, even if they don't want to sell frame only, why not offer a singlespeed version? I don't think it would compete with the Rig... That's a totally different ride.

    And that would probably make sense from their viewpoint. I could easily see Trek making a Center Track belt drive version available for '12.

    And one more thing: How about that prototype carbon Switchblade fork on the front for good measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    And that would probably make sense from their viewpoint. I could easily see Trek making a Center Track belt drive version available for '12.

    And one more thing: How about that prototype carbon Switchblade fork on the front for good measure.
    I'm not personally a big fan of belt drive, but I do think that's a good idea. I didn't realize that the Sawyer had split stays, too.
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    Any Sawyer owner, help me out if you see this tonight - what is the diameter of the seat tube?

    I'm going 1x9 and am buying a chain keeper. I dropped it off at the LBS, and they didn't carry the type I wanted, so I'm just going to buy it myself.

    I forgot to measure the tube when I dropped off the bike. What diameter do I need to buy?

    Thanks!

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    I reckon the Inner diameter is 27.2mm, haven't measured the outer diameter...

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    I really like the Sawyer but feel the X-Caliber might be a more sensible choice for me. Selling my HiFi and going more basic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee View Post
    Any Sawyer owner, help me out if you see this tonight - what is the diameter of the seat tube?

    I'm going 1x9 and am buying a chain keeper. I dropped it off at the LBS, and they didn't carry the type I wanted, so I'm just going to buy it myself.

    I forgot to measure the tube when I dropped off the bike. What diameter do I need to buy?

    Thanks!
    31.8mm or 32mm, whatever they want to call it.

    The stock seatpost clamp is 32mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocktonRider View Post
    31.8mm or 32mm, whatever they want to call it.

    The stock seatpost clamp is 32mm.
    Perfect, thank you!

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    Has anyone heard anything about the Sawyer being continued for 2012? I'm still going back and forth on if I should wait for a SS or belt as a possibilty next year, or just pull the trigger now.

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    Gary Fisher just tweeted this from the 2012 launch event

    2012 Sawyer gets gold touches,
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    That looks great! I think the original Sawyer looks good but the paint scheme is dull....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thameth View Post
    Gary Fisher just tweeted this from the 2012 launch event
    LOL a gold trim package. Holy 1995...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    LOL a gold trim package. Holy 1995...
    Here is the 2012 Sawyer..

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    I plunked some money down on a 2011 Sawyer yesterday. I should be able to pick it up next week...can't wait!

    I was looking for a rigid 29er with gears and considered the GT Peace Multi, the Haro Beasley, the Redline D440 and a Karate Monkey. Ultimately I decided to pay the weight and $ penalty for the Sawyer, cause I'm a retro kinda guy. I'll post a pic once I get out on the trail next weekend.

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    2012 Sawyer

    wow! great looking sawyer!

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    Wow, kinda...blingy. Glad I got the subdued original version. I may get it powder coated with a jewel tone metal flake, but the black components will still keep it in the realm of 'not too showy'.

    I guess I'll have to see it in person before I pass full judgment though.

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    2012 Sawyer

    It looks like the bashguard is gone on the 2012. Maybe they are going for a 2x10 istead of putting a bashguard on the crankset and a 2 sp front shifter. I think it looks kida cheesy on mine with a 3sp x5 shifter
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    My first post.

    This bike could get me.
    I'm a road, cross type of guy, but I sort of like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jr59 View Post
    My first post.

    This bike could get me.
    I'm a road, cross type of guy, but I sort of like this.
    So do I.
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    My shop just put in an order for one to keep on the floor, after a little persuasion by myself

    I can't wait to build up this bike. It looks freakin' awesome!
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    I picked up my Sawyer earlier this week and got it out for its maiden voyage this morning. I've swapped out the saddle (B17N), grips (Oury lock-ons) and pedals (Wellgo MG-1), but everything else is stock. I did have to swap out the seatpost for one with a bit of set back. I'll be getting a new seatpost shortly. I really liked the ride...I've never ridden a 29er, so I wasn't sure about that and I admit, I was a bit concerned about the weight. All in all, good first ride!


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    I've recently finished building my Sawyer. I was worried about the weight when I first got the bike. After a few adjustments though (at least that's what I'm telling the wife!) It's sitting down to around 23-24lbs and should be a bit less once I add my Niner carbon fork.

    Right now the bike rides amazing, I forget that it's fully rigid and SS to boot. It's not like it's so smooth that you forget you have no suspension, but just that much fun to ride that it just doesn't matter. I've yet found any area's that I've ridden that I want the suspension, including rock gardens, rocky downhills and root covered trails out here in MD.

    Overall I'd give the bike a big

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    I have been looking to do an alfine 11, 29er w/ a belt drive option, hmmmm. When do the 2012 hit the showrooms? Maybe I will scoop up the battleship grey 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    I have been looking to do an alfine 11, 29er w/ a belt drive option, hmmmm. When do the 2012 hit the showrooms? Maybe I will scoop up the battleship grey 2011.
    Basically, Trek does what they want. There is no set-in-stone date as to when they will be released. It could be a while, though, because there are still a lot of '11 Sawyers in Trek's distribution centers.
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    What size sawyer are you guys riding? I am a 6'1.5" and currently ride a large Niner Jet 9.

    I am just trying to figure if I should buy an 19" or 21"

    None of the local bike shops have any to ride for size. Please help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlingBrandon View Post
    What size sawyer are you guys riding? I am a 6'1.5" and currently ride a large Niner Jet 9.

    I am just trying to figure if I should buy an 19" or 21"

    None of the local bike shops have any to ride for size. Please help.

    It's a good question, as I am about the same size.

    Do I fit this like a road bike? I'm not to savy on how to go about sizing a bike like this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlingBrandon View Post
    What size sawyer are you guys riding? I am a 6'1.5" and currently ride a large Niner Jet 9.

    I am just trying to figure if I should buy an 19" or 21"

    None of the local bike shops have any to ride for size. Please help.
    The geometry is the same as the rest of the G2 29er's (except for a lower standover height on the Sawyer due to the frame), so you can take any of them for a ride to get a feel for how the sizing goes. I took an X-Cal for a test ride before ordering my Sawyer and the size was fine (I'm 6'-0" and ride a 19").

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocktonRider View Post
    The geometry is the same as the rest of the G2 29er's (except for a lower standover height on the Sawyer due to the frame), so you can take any of them for a ride to get a feel for how the sizing goes. I took an X-Cal for a test ride before ordering my Sawyer and the size was fine (I'm 6'-0" and ride a 19").

    I agree...try any of the other hard-tails, the geometry is similar. I can say that the Sawyer has a really long top tube...so a 19" should work just fine if you are in that 6'-6'2" range...anyone taller than that would probably need a 21.

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    I love the looks of the bike. OTH I don't love the price. The best I've seen is $1,350 which is a lot of money for very average parts. I wonder how much you could get on ebay for the group? It might help to defray some of the cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    I love the looks of the bike. OTH I don't love the price. The best I've seen is $1,350 which is a lot of money for very average parts. I wonder how much you could get on ebay for the group? It might help to defray some of the cost.
    The group is not worth much...as you said, average parts...I sold all of mine but had very little expectations and really didn't care what I'd get out of it....I think I cleared (after all the fees) around $400 for the wheels and all the parts.

    That being said, if you have a relationship at a local Trek dealer, you might just see what kind of deal they will cut you on one...it is not exactly a hot seller, so you have a chance...that being said, there is not much mark-up on them, so the dealer may not have much room to wiggle unless they actually has one in stock he wants to unload....if they have to order it, then you'll probably have to pay close to MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oclvframe View Post
    That being said, if you have a relationship at a local Trek dealer, you might just see what kind of deal they will cut you on one...it is not exactly a hot seller, so you have a chance...that being said, there is not much mark-up on them, so the dealer may not have much room to wiggle unless they actually has one in stock he wants to unload....if they have to order it, then you'll probably have to pay close to MSRP.

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    I paid $150 less than MSRP when I ordered it from a dealer. So, the discounts were already happening. Not sure if this is still true with the announcements of the 2012 models.

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    can you believe this that in Australia we have to pay retail $2440US for this bike, you might get a discount but seriously ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlingBrandon View Post
    What size sawyer are you guys riding? I am a 6'1.5" and currently ride a large Niner Jet 9.

    I am just trying to figure if I should buy an 19" or 21"

    None of the local bike shops have any to ride for size. Please help.
    I've got a large Niner MCR 9 and a 19" Sawyer, 6'2" myself. Fits perfect for me. I think the top tubes are the same, or very close. I wouldn't recommend "sizing up" if you were planning to ride road more, but YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monty797 View Post
    I've recently finished building my Sawyer. I was worried about the weight when I first got the bike. After a few adjustments though (at least that's what I'm telling the wife!) It's sitting down to around 23-24lbs and should be a bit less once I add my Niner carbon fork....Overall I'd give the bike a big
    Here's mine with a Niner fork (which takes away some of the retro aspect, but the retro police have not arrested me yet) - mine weighs around 24lbs, will be lighter as soon as I get off my lazy behind and tubeless the tires.

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    I just bought one. 1100 out the door!!!

    Now I will take most stuff off of it and install my rolhoff hub and see how this thing works!

    YEA me!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jr59 View Post
    I just bought one. 1100 out the door!!!

    Now I will take most stuff off of it and install my rolhoff hub and see how this thing works!

    YEA me!!!!
    Nice find. Would like to get one in that range, I have to strip it and do belt>alfine 11 conversion. Most of the quotes I have been getting are for $1300 (19" frame).

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    You might want to check again, I think trek just put them on sale.

    Good luck

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    I built one up today at the shop! Everyone just had to ride it

    At $1100, you got a hell of a deal. We are a big Trek Store, so we get bikes from Trek for cheaper than most other Trek dealers, and still the margin is very small. But I'm not at liberty to discuss much more than that.
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    kool!!!

    You going to tell us how it rode?
    Or just keep us guessing.

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    Amazingly. It's such a solid bike, it's unbelievable. I'd buy one, but probably end up putting a suspension fork on it. I didn't even get it in a stand on the sales floor and somebody already wanted to test ride it.
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    Just picked up a new, to me, Trek Sawyer yesterday. Sooooo excited to take it out for a ride. Rode it around the neighborhood last night with my son. Felt great. I think I am going to like the bars. Felt natural to me. I guess I will have to see how they feel on trail...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCM990 View Post


    Just picked up a new, to me, Trek Sawyer yesterday. Sooooo excited to take it out for a ride. Rode it around the neighborhood last night with my sun. Felt great. I think I am going to like the bars. Felt natural to me. I guess I will have to see how they feel on trail...
    Congratulations, it's a such a nice looking bike.
    A garage full of steel frames means happiness.

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    Thanks! I just love looking at it! Hope it rides half as nice as it looks. This is my first 29er too. Looking forward to seeing how different it rides then my 650b Surly 1x1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCM990 View Post
    Thanks! I just love looking at it! Hope it rides half as nice as it looks. This is my first 29er too. Looking forward to seeing how different it rides then my 650b Surly 1x1.
    What size frame did you get? How tall are you (or inseam measurement).

    Looks good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgboys1 View Post
    Here is the 2012 Sawyer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    What size frame did you get? How tall are you (or inseam measurement).

    Looks good!
    I have the medium frame (17.5"). I am about 5' 10" with a 32" inseam. Bike fits real good.

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    Well I haven't picked it up yet, but my LBS sent me a few pics of mine with gears.

    Waiting for a Rohloff rotor.
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    hmmm I'm wanting to use a Jones H-bar for my bike.

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    First ride on the Sawyer last night. Got to love a bike that feels "right" from the first time you take it out. Rode it like I stole it on my second lap and if felt great.

    As for the weight... I really didn't notice it at all. What's a few more pounds? My pack just about weighs more then the weight difference between a "light" bike and a "heavy" bike. At least I never have to worry about breaking this frame!

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    mouth-watering awesomeness :)




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    Has sliding drops with a split for belt drive applications already.
    Enjoy it,




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    Has anyone built up a Sawyer with drop bars? Pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post


    It looks lighter by at least two pounds!!!!!!

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    Is the 2012 color changing? looks more silvery or pewter than the battleship gray. I am another helpless sod who has a hard time resisting this bike.

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    I'm looking for a good deal on a 2011 Sawyer. Let me know if you hear of one.

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    a friend that can afford a good bike is waffling between one of these and one of those cool retrotech's
    wherever you go, there you are

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post


    Quote Originally Posted by michael.white View Post
    Is the 2012 color changing? looks more silvery or pewter than the battleship gray. I am another helpless sod who has a hard time resisting this bike.
    Trek has noted that the 2012's Sawyers will have a new color scheme, and these pictures certainly prove it.

    I very much wanted to get a Sawyer after first seeing them on-line and in a early 2011 Trek catalog - but once I had a chance to see the Sawyer up close, I sadly couldn't get past the US Navy style flat/matte gray paint scheme.

    Looks like I'll be getting a sweet chromoly steel 2012 Sawyer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambi19 View Post
    Trek has noted that the 2012's Sawyers will have a new color scheme, and these pictures certainly prove it.

    I very much wanted to get a Sawyer after first seeing them on-line and in a early 2011 Trek catalog - but once I had a chance to see the Sawyer up close, I sadly couldn't get past the US Navy style flat/matte gray paint scheme.

    Looks like I'll be getting a sweet chromoly steel 2012 Sawyer!
    I agree on the colors. But, look at the bright side, pun intended. Trek should be be blowing out those ugly gray versions cheap. At least that's the plan.
    A garage full of steel frames means happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    The world is, the world is
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    It still looks like a cool bike a month or two later. Can't wait for ride reports on it.
    that bike looks nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t135 View Post
    I'm looking for a good deal on a 2011 Sawyer. Let me know if you hear of one.
    I just picked mine up for $1100.00 tax included.

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    That seems to be the going rate on 2011's.

    You are the 4th person I have heard of getting the same price

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    Quote Originally Posted by rojogonzo View Post
    a friend that can afford a good bike is waffling between one of these and one of those cool retrotech's
    If I could afford a retrotech, that's a bike I'd love to have. Definitely a retrotech over a sawyer...

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    Digging the Sawyer after 6 months on it. New wheels, fork, cranks etc.. The orange bits really fit against the grey IMO (can't really see the orange nips in the pics)



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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    If I could afford a retrotech, that's a bike I'd love to have. Definitely a retrotech over a sawyer...
    What's a reotrotech going for these days?
    A garage full of steel frames means happiness.

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    S & W in Concord, NH had a medium, I believe it was $360 off the MRSP, should put the price around $1000-$1100. Their phone number is 603-228-1441. I have no affilation with them other than I do purchase supplies occasionally.
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    Fellow Sawyer owners, how do you rate the performance of the fork? I find it too stiff..like its lacking flexibility (of course its a chromo, ). but I think the Reynolds steel forks are a bit flexible than the sawyer's. I'm thinking of replacing it with the niner carbon fork. however, it might lose its retro-look.

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    Thats a great looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post
    Fellow Sawyer owners, how do you rate the performance of the fork? I find it too stiff..like its lacking flexibility (of course its a chromo, ). but I think the Reynolds steel forks are a bit flexible than the sawyer's. I'm thinking of replacing it with the niner carbon fork. however, it might lose its retro-look.
    I agree. It feels stiffer than my last fork which was also Chromoly even. I was surprised since it's thinner legs. Must be thick. I was hoping on Soul Cycles getting their prototype titanium fork out soon but they are still working on it. That looks like it would retain the retro look and make it real flexy.

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    Super E,
    I'm interested in hearing your impressions of the differences between the steel oem fork compared to the Niner 29"? Especially regarding how each handle singletrack, roots and sand. Have you experienced any difference in deflection, steering precision and front brake pull or flex. Is that the moondust color?

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    The Retrotec still gives me goosebumps every time I see that picture.

    As for The Sawyer....if only it wasn't G2. I would so love to get one but I know that I don't get on with G2 geometry.

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    Looking for some info on the stock trek sawyer and don't know how/where to find it. Maybe someone here can help?

    - stock crank length
    - stock front gearing
    - stock rear gearing
    - stock seat post diameter
    - bottom bracket size

    Thanks for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t135 View Post
    Looking for some info on the stock trek sawyer and don't know how/where to find it. Maybe someone here can help?

    - stock crank length
    - stock front gearing
    - stock rear gearing
    - stock seat post diameter
    - bottom bracket size

    Thanks for any help.
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    d*mn... wish they had that here in the Philippines...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    From my 2011 19"er

    175mm
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    Standard Euro shell 73mm width
    Thank you!!! Is that the stock crank length?

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    Anyone know when the 2012s will be here on the ground? It looks like Trek is out of 17.5 frames right now.

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    Has anyone done the Gate Center Belt Drivetrain yet? After reading Guitar Ted's review over at twentynineinches I am a bit reluctant but still intrigued by this offering. The ability to transform this bike into a belt drive is what made me want to own it.

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    Although the folks up north are flooded out, we've gotten very little rain here in the south....my Sawyer is a dusty mess. I am still loving this bike though!
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    Wink 2011 Sawyer SS

    Here's my 2011 Trek Sawyer converted to single speed.

    It only has 4 rides on it so it's basically just broken in.
    It has a Chris King headset, Moots titanium seatpost, Maxxis crossmark tires, Surly chainring/cog/spacer: It was 32/18 but I had him switch it to 16 (I live in flat Floriduh). It has a Bontrager Evoke 3 titanium saddle, Serfas lock on gel grips, Redline 90m stem, Bontrager RL riser bars.

    If anybody in the Tampa Bay area wants to give it a spin let me know.
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    X-post from 29er rigid thread

    Sawyer, set up for urban duty:
    - Ragley Carnegie bars
    - 1x9
    - Schwalbe Big Apples
    - De-stickered the wheels and frame

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    beaufitul Street Sawyer!

    wish to ask about Big Apple, what size did you use for front and rear tires? Ive been thinking of putting a Marathon Supreme for my bike but I'm not sure if the 28x2.0 will fit.

    Don't you find it heavier using BA? BA gives good suspension though.
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    Here is my Sawyer, got it July 1 2011 at my LBS Single Track, love the bike, moved into it from a RIG Rootbeer color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeliam View Post
    beaufitul Street Sawyer!

    wish to ask about Big Apple, what size did you use for front and rear tires? Ive been thinking of putting a Marathon Supreme for my bike but I'm not sure if the 28x2.0 will fit.

    Don't you find it heavier using BA? BA gives good suspension though.
    It's 2.3 front/back. Love 'em.

    I got the liteskin versions. They're a bit heavy, but the cush is worth it for the type of riding I do with the bike. It's not really an off-roader at all anymore, so it's not like I need to thread through rock gardens.

    HTH.

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    How do you like them run in SS mode? Do the dropouts work well? (Adjustability, secure in terms of no slippage)

    I'd love to get a 21" frame-only, but not gonna happen unless I find it on the e-of-bay.

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    I've been riding a Sawyer for about 8 months now, set up SS with Titec "J-Bars" (Flat Jones bend) and I do love it. While not particularly light, it just motors and handles really well. Climbs decent and descends well. It rides lighter than it actually is. Plenty of room for FAT tires and the Bonty rims are wide - nice floatation. I get more comments and questions on this bike than I have on virtually any other bike I've owned. Kind of amazed, but it is a pretty cool looking bike. I'd like to paint mine a different color, but the grey is really stealthy for non-compliant riding...

    Our shop has two of them in stock - one 17.5" and one 19" just the way they came out of the box. Sale price for $999.99 if anyone in the SF Bay Area is looking....
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    Ah man, not to denigrate anyone's photographic talents, but please tell me this bike looks better than this. After seeing this thing on the Trek website and reading about it in "Outside" and other magazines, I decided I had to have one. But after looking at the pictures in this thread, I dunno. It really doesn't look half as good in these candid, amateur shots.

    I mean, everyone loves the performance, I like the unique form, but it just really doesn't look that special. Bummer.

    But what other truly uniquely-styled, 29er no-suspension is available? Plus that 45" wheelbase -- Ooh baby!

    I really need to find a bike shop that has one and look at it in person.
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    I have yet to pick up my bike so those of you with them already in hand what size chainrings will fit? I was contemplating on setting it up sort of monstercross with drop bars, gates belt drive with at least a 50 front chainring?

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    I think that is what makes it look so good. Because it's not a rolling billboard, with branding plastered all over it.

    There is not 1 place I have ridden it where people did not stop and comment on it.

    To each there own. It works for me!

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    I get stopped all the time by people asking about the bike. I like the lack of flashy neon paint or branding as well. It's elegantly simple swoopy and solid bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racerdave View Post
    How do you like them run in SS mode? Do the dropouts work well? (Adjustability, secure in terms of no slippage)
    It's the same exact system as the Rig with the sliders. I have a 2011 rig and it works great. Mine has never slipped on me. The paint on my Rig is starting to crack around the bolts but I have undone them a few times while finding the gearing that works best for me. That's it though. It's never lost tension except for chain stretch, but I've been running a 10sp chain because I had one laying around and I got my Rig as a FS.
    Quote Originally Posted by dendresdner View Post
    Ah man, not to denigrate anyone's photographic talents, but please tell me this bike looks better than this.
    I was too very pumped to buy one of these until I saw one in person and then weighed it. If you like looking at big tubes, bling, and huge branding this bike isn't it. IMO it looks VERY vanilla in person. So much so that I ended up buying a Rig frame instead.

    I wouldn't say it's bad looking, but the paint is very blah and so is everything else to the point it kind of looks cheap. With that said, I got to see one a Trek that was totally retro modified with polished White Industries bits and it was totally fantastic looking. If I got one I would do the same.

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    I love the retro clunker/junker look. IMHO, they nailed the look and feel that they targeted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dendresdner View Post
    I really need to find a bike shop that has one and look at it in person.
    That's probably the best idea. The bike is strange, it looks amazingly photogenic in some shots, and gangly in others. (I think having the bars even with or slightly lower than the saddle really helps the aesthetics as well, and makes handling nice and tight too.)

    But... in person, it just works. The elegance of the top tube to the rear axle has to be seen to be appreciated, and IMO the more you look at other bikes like it (i.e. Retrotec, Van Dessel WTF) you see how they took what could have been a very clunky or overly in-your-face design element and made it smooth and flowing.

    Yeah, I'm giving up a few pounds, but to me it's Gary Fisher getting some mad Trek money and pushing them to do a personal project as part of the deal. Nobody else could have gotten an homage like this mass-produced. I really doubt a model will come through like this again, at this price.

    So, yeah, some of my reasons are definitely 'enthusiast design geek bike', so you have to decide how much that's worth to you. I figured it was worth it to me.

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