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    "Tai"-Jones

    I'm surprised I haven't seen more of these posted:







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    I have yet to see a ride report for one of these, so... how's it feel? Can you compare it to a Ti Jones?

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    Does Jeff actually have them in now?

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    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
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    how much are we talking here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    how much are we talking here?
    http://jonesbikes.com/production_framesets.html
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    so close...

    I was so close to pulling a trigger on one, but I just couldn't be swayed to rebuild 2 nearly new front wheels....

    How's the ride??
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    Lots o Rigid

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
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    How many rigid SS's does one man need?

    OT sorta, Still gettin' the Nimble 9's?

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    Looks like a Black sheep ripoff, he should pay royalties

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    How does she ride compared to the Stickel? I was kinda sorta looking at one before I got my ByStickel.....Very Nice indeed, I like the Black themes. Later dude, and enjoy her.

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    Was that Aqua's at one time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN
    How many rigid SS's does one man need?
    Wah, huh?

    N+1

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    OT sorta, Still gettin' the Nimble 9's?
    If I do, something will have to go.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssumo
    How does she ride compared to the Stickel? I was kinda sorta looking at one before I got my ByStickel.....Very Nice indeed, I like the Black themes. Later dude, and enjoy her.
    Stickel is springier and noodlier, especially with the carbon fork.

    Stickel is slightly nimbler and wheelies better due to 1/2 inch shorter stays.

    Wheel base on the bikes is nearly identical ~42" or so, the Stickel just puts the BB 1/2" further back between the axles.

    This bike feels much stiffer/deader on impact, but the front end is incredibly confidence inspiring. Almost no detectable for-aft flex. It is burly for sure.

    It feels and handles a lot like my beloved Simon Bar except with a properly stiff fork, and without the ping of Aluminum.

    There is nothing I dislike about it, but if I went custom would shorten the rear 1/2" and lengthen the front center 1/2"

    For the price of this frame I don't think you can go wrong if you are a committed rigid rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Looks like a Black sheep ripoff, he should pay royalties
    Hater
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    @MMcG: Take a closer look. This is the diamond frame model while Aqua has the steel spaceframe one.

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    Looks gorgeous, tai or ti. Nice one, you're drinking deep

    I've realised in my ~3 months of being rigid that stiffer is better. The opposite of what I thought before acquisition

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    Enel, nice, what rims are you using?
    Also, what some are missing is the fact that the frames come w/ a fork. Diamond and Spaceframe. rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britney Spears
    @MMcG: Take a closer look. This is the diamond frame model while Aqua has the steel spaceframe one.
    Oh.

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    nice

    Do you think it is worth the upgrade for the truss over the unicrown fork? I like the bike, dont care if it is a bit spendy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
    Dont you ride a paradox? Those are 600$ and the Jones are 750 for frame and fork and bushnell bb. Doesn't get spendy until you add a truss fork then it is 1100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    Do you think it is worth the upgrade for the truss over the unicrown fork? I like the bike, dont care if it is a bit spendy.
    The truss is the whole reason I bought the frame/fork combo. I got a little taste of it on Aqua's bike and really liked the feel. It is unlike any two bladed fork I have ridden.

    I have not ridden the Jones two blade, so no idea how it compares.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    gotcha

    yeah sorry about that. I didnt figure that you had the unicrown, but your last post is telling if you think it feels better than any other rigid fork. good enough of a review/comparison for me. Nice to see a review of the frame.

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    Tai, hehe clever!
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    I have the original diamond 24 " ti version of that bike and I love it. It full on rips.
    Like you, I run the bike with 70mm stem and wide flat bar. I did not like the Jones bar on my bike. With that setup it feels and handles like a big wheel bmx bike.
    The fork tracks incredibly well, I am amazed at the stuff I can shred on this bike. I too wish the stays were a little shorter and also that there was more tire clearance, but other than that I have never had so much fun on a rigid bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks
    Enel, nice, what rims are you using?
    Also, what some are missing is the fact that the frames come w/ a fork. Diamond and Spaceframe. rich
    Flows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    yeah sorry about that. I didnt figure that you had the unicrown, but your last post is telling if you think it feels better than any other rigid fork. good enough of a review/comparison for me. Nice to see a review of the frame.
    I would not say it is better than any other fork. It feels different from every other fork I personally have tried. It is much more rigid when standing on the front wheel. There is none of the fore-aft resonance that is often seen under braking on a rigid. I would say it rides harsh, but I think all rigid forks pretty much ride harsh and am certainly no fork snob. To me rigid is rigid.

    I would like to try a Niner carbon because it is super light and seems to be designed to alleviate the same fore-aft thing.
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    Looks great Enel!

    I should have mine with a basic fork in the next few weeks I suppose. Looking forward to it!

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    I think I am adapting nicely:




    Jordan would be proud.

    I got out for a more woodsy ride this afternoon with the spawn. He noticed the "Jones" sticker sparkled in rainbow colors in direct sun, but I never saw it. Apparently it glows in the dark also:



    Nice touch.

    I didn't get much up to speed, but climbing felt like pretty much every bike, and the few times I got up to speed descending, it was super predictable with lots of front end grip. When the front lost traction, it was easy and predictable to manage it. Tire pressures are too high and I got a bit of a beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Flows.
    thanks, I know JJ has his own branded 135 front hub now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
    $750 is a lot of money for a frame & fork?

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    @ Enel - Do you think you will notice the difference in the wider hub compared to other wheels you've ridden, or do you think that will be too hard to discern due to the truss fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    @ Enel - Do you think you will notice the difference in the wider hub compared to other wheels you've ridden, or do you think that will be too hard to discern due to the truss fork?
    I don't think I can tell. Theoretically it should be a stronger, more durable wheel, but I can't remember the last time I killed a front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
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    It'd look betterer with the ti truss fork on.

    If only someone had a used on for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I would like to try a Niner carbon because it is super light and seems to be designed to alleviate the same fore-aft thing.
    I think the Niner Fork on your ByStickel will be a very noticeable difference over the On One Carbon.
    Last edited by nitrousjunky; 02-12-2011 at 09:44 AM.
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    To answer the first question, Yes I ride a Paradox, MSRP is $600 for them.

    As to the cost of the Jones, no I guess when you have other steel frames in that price range (not that I'd pay that for any of them since you can get a custom steel for about $800), but that was not what was being thrown about when they were being talked about, much, much higher. Also, then you have steel frames & fork for under $500 like the KM, so also, yes it's a lot. The there's the biggest BS of only being in one size, I mean really, now all of a sudden a 5'6" person should ride the same size bike as a 6'2" person? Give me a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    Dont you ride a paradox? Those are 600$ and the Jones are 750 for frame and fork and bushnell bb. Doesn't get spendy until you add a truss fork then it is 1100.
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    $750 is a lot of money for a frame & fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    I think the Niner Fork on your ByStickel will be a very noticeable different over the On One Carbon.
    And it comes tapered
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    And it comes tapered
    Yep, I've thought about getting one for mine at some point as well. Now if only it came with 15mm axle option too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Yep, I've thought about getting one for mine at some point as well. Now if only it came with 15mm axle option too.
    I think Ragley is working on something like that.

    Despite the fork, the Bystickel and the Jones are on opposite ends of the stiffness spectrum of bikes I have owned. The Bystickel feels a lot like my Zion brand steel frame or an On-One Inbred. A bit flexy, and I can wind up the rear, but man it is comfy. The Jones is close to the Simon Bar: mega stiff, punishing, and precise. A Karate Monkey would be in between. The stays on the Jones dwarf the Zion/Stickel stays. This thing is pretty overbuilt. That's probably why Aqua hasn't broken his yet.

    I don't think there is a right answer for how stiff is just perfect, and how stiff is too stiff but I think riders will definitely have their preferences.

    Stiff=more punishing
    Flexy= slightly less punishing
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    I thought that - looks as stiff as the Paradox out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    To answer the first question, Yes I ride a Paradox, MSRP is $600 for them.

    As to the cost of the Jones, no I guess when you have other steel frames in that price range (not that I'd pay that for any of them since you can get a custom steel for about $800), but that was not what was being thrown about when they were being talked about, much, much higher. Also, then you have steel frames & fork for under $500 like the KM, so also, yes it's a lot. The there's the biggest BS of only being in one size, I mean really, now all of a sudden a 5'6" person should ride the same size bike as a 6'2" person? Give me a break.
    Custom steel bike for 800? Comparing to a KM (which is a POS IMO)?

    As to being only one size, if it doesn't fit, don't buy it. 750 for a frame and fork is not that much.

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    Get a fatty on the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    Custom steel bike for 800? Comparing to a KM (which is a POS IMO)?

    As to being only one size, if it doesn't fit, don't buy it. 750 for a frame and fork is not that much.
    But it's not a 'custom' frame is it? It only comes in one stock size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink
    But it's not a 'custom' frame is it? It only comes in one stock size.
    Didn't say it was. The guy I was responding to said that you could get a custom steel bike built for 800 bucks. I was just questioning that.

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    Well thank you Enel. Now it really so much easyer to wait till the end of month... Aargh! (Chewbacca cry)
    :)

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    I was not out on my Jones today, but I did see 2 steel spaceframe big front wheel Jones on there maiden ride. A father and son combo that I see often and have talked loads about my Jones have purchased them. One was black and on was blue.... Geared though. They looked sharp... To be honest, I am not a fan of the big front wheel....

    Enel, bike looks mean.... Sucks we dont have the hard core techy terrain like Aqua does etc....
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    Indulge me with some words/thoughts/spew:

    Besides a couple short shakedown rides last week, my first real ride on this thing occurred in Sedona this past weekend with Aqua. I felt comfortable on the bike immediately and charged the thing hard from what was essentially my second hour on the bike. I felt comfortable in technical high consequence terrain, in standing climbing, and at high speeds.

    This frame and fork combo rides unlike any I have ever ridden. The front end stiffness/tracking is simply off the charts beyond any other combo I have tried. It's not even close.

    The magical combination of the short A-C, long head tube, triangulated, double clamped truss fork, and 135 front wheel spacing yields a precise, planted feel with minimal fork flex/wiggle under braking and under side loads.

    I did a little experiment in the garage last night. I took my four rigid bikes and held the front brake and balanced them on the front wheel, and just pushed up and down until I found the resonant frequency where they would vibrate back and forth a bit. It is in the range of 2-3 herz for these bikes.

    Bystickel/On-One carbon fork vibrated the slowest, and by far the most, even bouncing up off the ground if I kept it going at the resonant frequency. I tried it again with a Steel fork it felt less flexy, and the vibration frequency was a bit higher.

    Karate Monkey Frame/fork was about the same as the Stickel/steel fork.

    Aluminum frame/Carbon fork vibrated still a little faster and felt less flexy.

    Jones frame/truss fork flexed an order of magnitude less than any of the other combos and the frequency was out of the ball park higher than the other frames.

    Perhaps what I am noticing is the difference between a suspension corrected versus non-corrected frame? I am open to input here because I simply can't believe how dramatic the difference is with this bike.

    I have never had a non-corrected frame before, and am open to anyone's thoughts...

    It is such a random fluke that I even own this thing. My curiosity was stimulated from a very short parking lot demo on Aqua's frame that I got in October. I was impressed enough from 1 minute on his bike to want to try it for myself. Without that brief demo ride I never would have ordered a Jones in the first place (seriously, I have enough bikes). I would probably still be riding in ignorant bliss.

    There is also no way I would spend the money for a custom Jones. Simply too much $$ for my taste (not to mention the wait and the closed waiting list!). When I heard about the Taiwan deal, I figured the price was fair enough and snapped one up.

    The Jones is a laser focused rigid "All Mountain" bike. I wanted to poo poo it as an exercise in marketing/swoopiness over substance (seriously, I bought it to test with every intention of not liking it and reselling it again fairly fast). Unfortunately I am completely impressed with the way it rides. I have never ridden a rigid bike that rides as well.

    Downsides so far: It's a bit heavy, 27.2 seat tube won't accept my 5" dropper post, the frame can never use a suspension fork, the cockpit is a little tight standing, and a little long seated, the slack STA doesn't suit me much for seated riding, and the stays' minimum length is 16.9" (maybe 16.85"). It rides very firm and does not coddle you. I feel it rewards a more aggressive rider and comes more alive the harder it is pushed.

    For those waiting for their frames: Sucks to be you right now , but I think you will be very pleased as they arrive over the next month or so.
    Last edited by Enel; 02-16-2011 at 10:15 AM.
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    When I bought my Jones - it was a complete leap of faith - I'd never even ridden a 29er before

    When I spoke to Jeff - he explained the advantages of the truss fork - I was thinking that it can't make that much difference surely?

    Enel - you should try a fatty on it - adds a whole new dimension to the bike - you'll have two bikes for the price of 1! I love the way the Larry rolls over just about anything - after a few weeks on the Larry - I swap over to a 29er wheel and enjoy the extra speed and nimbleness that brings


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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I don't think I can tell. Theoretically it should be a stronger, more durable wheel, but I can't remember the last time I killed a front.
    Do nicked sliders on a Marz 44 count as a "kill" from rock gouges? Arizona kills everything. You either get stung, spined, cooked, baked, or ground up on the rocks and minerals out there, it's rough country on equipment.

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    Enel, you're a curious fellow, but I like your testing methods.

    Basically zero chatter from the front end in terms of flex when you grab a big handful of front brake going down something fast and steep, is my take on the truss fork? Is any oscillation even noticeable under those conditions?


    Next question is, when are you going to tackle going down, I think it's trail #297 on the Jones? Before the rains? Looking forward to your report on how it feels on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Basically zero chatter from the front end in terms of flex when you grab a big handful of front brake going down something fast and steep, is my take on the truss fork? Is any oscillation even noticeable under those conditions?
    No chatter, no oscillation that is noticeable by me. I am sure it is there, but the frequency is high enough not to matter.

    It is sort of like going from a single crown to triple clamp suspension fork if you get my drift.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Next question is, when are you going to tackle going down, I think it's trail #297 on the Jones?
    I went plenty fast down Munds Wagon chasing Aqua (who is hella fast!) and I have no concerns for its manners at speed. You do get a beating as the speeds increase though.
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    How tall are you Enel?
    For some reason I was thinking your ByStickel was non corrected....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    How tall are you Enel?
    For some reason I was thinking your ByStickel was non corrected....
    184cm.

    Bystickel is corrected, I just haven't bothered to put a suspension fork on it. That will change soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
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    I would like to know as well.

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    I got this question in another thread and thought it would be helpful to insert and elaborate on the answer here.

    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
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    Are the Stickel and Jones still different enough to not be compared? Kind of like a 9mm and a .40 cal, the same but, different, not better just, different?
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    Ha. More like a 9mm and a 1911

    Like a steak knife and a chef's knife.

    Or if you are a car guy: a Lotus Exige and a Porsch Cayman.

    I purposely took both bikes to Sedona to compare them and rode the Jones in the morning, and the By:Stickel in the afternoon. I only had about two hours on the Jones prior to this ride and maybe 60 hours on the By:Stickel. Imagine my surprise when I rode more comfortably and confidently in technical terrain, and at high speed on the Jones. It wasn't even close.

    This sort of move was no problem on the Jones, it would have scared me on the By:Stickel.

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    This move did scare me. Rideable, but scary/nervous. I was wishing I had the other bike at this moment.


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    The difference between the bikes really bugged me, and I have been thinking a lot about the whys since that ride. The main issue was the incredible stability of the front end of the Jones. The By:Stickel in comparison felt like it bounced/flexed all over, couldn't get traction, and in general was not confidence inspiring at all in comparison. Steve thinks it is the fork and I am sure that is the biggest part of it.

    Since that ride, I swapped the rather flexy On-One Carbon for an 1100 gm no name steel fork. I had a very short comparison ride today and things are better. Ultimately, I do not think it is possible for the By:Stickel to have the same front rigidity as the Jones without being non-suspension corrected, with a 135 spaced front wheel, and a truss fork. The only thing that would do it would be a 1400 gm dirt-jumpable 29" suspension corrected fork (which does not exist to my knowledge). I am thinking of trying a Niner Carbon fork, but the investment is steep, especially since I don't know if it will help hugely.

    Ultimately, the By:Stickel will likely end up with a 100mm tapered suspension fork. It is probably done as my rigid technical bike.

    Riding them back to back, the Jones feels much heavier (same weight for both), but somewhat unflappable, like riding a tank. Stiff and controllable, but on the harsh side. The By:Stickel feels significantly lighter and more playful, but less competent/confident when things get serious. I need to get some more back to back rides on them, because I am sure there is such a thing as too rigid up front and the Jones is approaching that point for me. Perhaps with the steel fork the By:Stickel will be that magic combination of comfort and control. If I had a super long ride on more mellow trails, I would take the By:Stickel for sure. It fits me perfectly.

    Anyway, the strong/stiff front end of the Jones makes moves like this go from a bit terrifying to actually fun.



    That rock proceeds to straight vertical, and then after a bit of a free fall into a 1/4 pipe G-out. It is not hard, you just need to commit, hang on, and hope nothing breaks off the front end. I have done it on many bikes, but it always gave me a bit of pause when I hit it rigid. Honestly it scared me. I hit it three times today and found it more exhilarating than scary. When it counts, I prefer the stiffness up front.

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    Hey Enel, that some impressive riding and your Jones is certainly nice, too.
    But why did you decide against the H-Bar? I have a Loop-Bar on my Spaceframe and I feel it is an integral part of the whole Jones-Package.

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    Just a note: a 9mm is a caliber, 1911 a model. But I'm guessing you probably knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    Just a note: a 9mm is a caliber, 1911 a model. But I'm guessing you probably knew that.
    Stupid me, I used 1911 synonymously with .45, but if I think about it, that of course isn't true.

    Thanks for the correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britney Spears
    Hey Enel, that some impressive riding and your Jones is certainly nice, too.
    But why did you decide against the H-Bar? I have a Loop-Bar on my Spaceframe and I feel it is an integral part of the whole Jones-Package.
    Tried it, didn't like it, wrote it up and converted to traditional bars four years ago and have never looked back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Tried it, didn't like it, wrote it up and converted to traditional bars four years ago and have never looked back.
    Thanks for your answer! Your post in that thread is certainly interesting to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel

    Since that ride, I swapped the rather flexy On-One Carbon for an 1100 gm no name steel fork. I had a very short comparison ride today and things are better.

    ... I need to get some more back to back rides on them...... Perhaps with the steel fork the By:Stickel will be that magic combination of comfort and control.
    I got a very nice, long back to back rock crawling session yesterday on both bikes.

    Steve was right, the On-One fork was causing a lot of my annoyance, pretty much all of it actually

    The Stickel is much better with the steel 1100gm Zion fork.

    If I were to grade forks it would go like this:

    On-One: Not stiff enough.
    Zion: Adequately stiff.
    Jones: More than stiff enough.





    After yesterday's ride, I am hard pressed to say which bike I prefer more in this type of terrain. There was no clear winner as far as the frame fork combo was concerned and I found my self more distracted by the ancient, crappy pedals I have on the Jones, and the front tire of the Stickel.

    The Jones and Stickel rode comparably, with neither bike having a great advantage over the other. They had their little quirks, but nothing really annoying, or outstandingly better than the other. The Stickel was more compliant, the Jones was stiffer....preferences, but both within tolerable limits. I would say the same about the geometry, both are within the limits of what I would call a great handling bike. Slight differences, easily compensated for.

    The FR4 tire on the front of the Stickel really sucks on rocks. I do not like it and can't really recommend it. The FR3 blows it away in the grip department. I am moving the FR3 from the back of the Jones to the front of the Stickel.

    I think I can explain my Sedona annoyances at this point due to flexy fork and crappy front tire that I only noticed in comparison to an excellent tire and super stiff chassis.

    I look forward to getting them back to back on something higher speed, but everything is pretty muddy right now and will be for a while.
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    Cool, I figured that fork was the main hindrance. It's a great rigid fork for XC duties, just not up to par for your needs though!

    I think a custom steel fork with thru axle would be the best thing for you. The Zion fork is still in the compliant list IMO. I think the only production forks up for your needs are the Monocog fork(not flight), KM fork, and possibly the steel On One fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Cool, I figured that fork was the main hindrance. It's a great rigid fork for XC duties, just not up to par for your needs though!

    I think a custom steel fork with thru axle would be the best thing for you. The Zion fork is still in the compliant list IMO. I think the only production forks up for your needs are the Monocog fork(not flight), KM fork, and possibly the steel On One fork.
    Yeah, I am not up to speed on rigid forks for the most part. I have tried the KM, Zion, Carbon White Bros, Carbon On-One, and steel Soul Cycles.

    I hated the handling of the Soul for for some reason (485 A-C maybe?). Everything else was tolerable.

    I still need to try the Stickel with a suspension fork The Jones fills my need for a rigid play bike just fine and it can't take suspension. The bikes are so comparable, I don't really need them both filling this same niche. Anyway, I needed to get it settled in my mind that the issue was the fork, not the frame and I think I have done that adequately at this point.

    My apologies to Steve for doubting him.

    The nice thing about the Jones (or the bad thing) is that it comes as a system: Frame fork, wheel (and some would add bars). As such, you get what you get and it is pretty hard to screw up with component choices. It is well thought out and, if you fit it, it is an extremely nice riding rigid bike.
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    Yea!

    Great news. Thanks, Eric.

    (this leaves me 2-0-1 , not too shabby (; )

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    First ride today

    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simen
    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.

    Ooooo, shiny! Enjoy and report back
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    Enel, have you anytime on the spaceframe? If so, would you compare the two (Jones frames) for those of us that most likely will not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    Enel, have you anytime on the spaceframe? If so, would you compare the two (Jones frames) for those of us that most likely will not?
    Nope, just bounced on Aqua's a little.

    The space frame does have a nice little carrying handle just forward of the seatpost.

    I don't buy all that mumbo jumbo about curved tubes being vertically compliant, laterally stiff, blah, blah, blah, but have no basis for the opinion other than bias.
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    Breeding like rabbits

    The Stones (Tai Steel Diamond) is a great riding steel bike.
    The Mones (Merlin Ti Spaceframe) really transcends what a rigid bike is, it's that good.

    So what is the take away, steel as a material is stiffer and heavier than Ti (gasp) and the diamond frame is not as compliant as the spaceframe (double gasp) but it is a great steel bike and I plan to ride it a lot and have a lot of fun on it.

    Enel, in addition to being a carrying handle it also serves as a great seat (sideways not straddle...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Stupid me, I used 1911 synonymously with .45, but if I think about it, that of course isn't true.

    Thanks for the correction.
    Pretty much a given, if you know a little history about the 45, the Colt 1911 in 45 ACP, is what started it all, semi automatic pistols.

    No worries, I knew what you meant. Now if you'd said kind of like comparing a Luger to a 1911... well, it's pretty clear which design, 100 years later, is still in production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simen
    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.
    This production steel space frame is the version I want to hear a ride review of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    This production steel space frame is the version I want to hear a ride review of.
    me 3

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    Right, so I have finally got around to sorting out an account so I can post a ride review of the production steel Spaceframe. The summary of this is that it's a very fun bike, and I'm very happy with it.

    My bike is set up geared, with a fat front tyre and H-bars. It weighs about 29 pounds-though it does not feel heavy to ride, if this makes sense. I would echo the other comments about the stiffness of the frame and fork-though this does not translate into a harsh ride. I would say that the overall ride is as comfortable as other good steel bikes that I have tried (one example being a Cotic Soul). I spent a fair amount of time on it at Rotorua last weekend, and though I had to go a bit slower than I would have on my usual full suspension bike, I wasn't much more fatigued/sore than I would have been otherwise.

    Where this bike has really impressed me is its ability in technical trails (or at least the technical sections that I have found so far)-it's extremely confidence inspiring and handles very precisely, as Aqua and Enel have said. I would describe the handling as being both stable, yet highly maneuverable. Not sluggish, and certainly not twitchy. This is, however, the only rigid mountain bike that I have spent any significant time on-I would say that the fat front tyre definitely works well as a form of suspension-I have been running mine at around 7 psi, 9 is a bit harsh.

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    Probably nothin new but here it goes: my bike is around 11.5kgs with RaRa on Gordos, Hope X2 brakes. That's 2.5kgs more than my previous bike (One9) but I can honesty say I didn't notice the weight difference. It took about 3sec to feel comfortable on this bike, I wasn't used to higher bar position but no problems here. Cr-Mo frame defintely felt more 'alive', rear end takes out small bumps but don't expect suspension-like function. I guess Eriksen seatpost has something to do with it, too. Truss fork tracks great and precise but not harsh. I try to understand the difference between Ti and Cr-Mo like different windsurfing masts act: more carbon % and the reflex is faster- at the same stiffness as lower carbon % mast. That's why I'd love to have a Ti truss in front and frame (not that I'm complaining now).
    Otherwise the ride was fast, quiet, Bushnell works perfect. I have to get used to J-bar. It was comfortable but I felt like I have to use other muscles in my torso while climbing. It'll stay on for a while, probably it's just me because this was my first SS ride in months. I'll also try 80mm stem (now 90mm) and Salsa 17deg flat bar just to experiment some more.
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    Any more thoughts on these diamond frames or on the unicrown forks? I've got them on order. Parts are starting to arrive this week, frame should be next week. I went with the fat front. The wait is just about killing me!

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    i think the Jones bike will always have a love-hate relationship with the public because of the price he set them....many would always say for his price you can get better from other builders, with watever shapes and geo you want...

    If that's the case then go with it, buy others....but if you think that you like wat you see in his design and willing to forgo the fact it is on the high side of moolah, then I think his bikes ride great...

    I have his Mones and i like it a lot....and the black beauty of the steel is very nice too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojak
    i think the Jones bike will always have a love-hate relationship with the public because of the price he set them....many would always say for his price you can get better from other builders, with watever shapes and geo you want...

    If that's the case then go with it, buy others....but if you think that you like wat you see in his design and willing to forgo the fact it is on the high side of moolah, then I think his bikes ride great...

    I have his Mones and i like it a lot....and the black beauty of the steel is very nice too...

    True , true, true.... so tis ah next project for u??
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    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maman72
    True , true, true.... so tis ah next project for u??
    I think Razak is going baaa...baaa

    hehe

    I wouldn't mind a steel diamond Jones myself, actually!

    Whether it's built by Jeff Jones himself, Merlin, or by a factory in Taiwan - his frames are executions of his design and riding philosophy. He wants more people on more of his bikes, and going the Taiwan route helps him achieve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Pretty much a given, if you know a little history about the 45, the Colt 1911 in 45 ACP, is what started it all, semi automatic pistols.

    No worries, I knew what you meant. Now if you'd said kind of like comparing a Luger to a 1911... well, it's pretty clear which design, 100 years later, is still in production.
    Holy crap, thats not even close to correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Holy crap, thats not even close to correct.
    I know. I wasn't willing to pursue it in a bicycle thread however. I had done enough damage as it was.

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    Go ahead...
    Myself, I would'nt mind being edumacated about firearms history...

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    Our trails have dried out and I think I have enough time on this bike to give my honest opinion:

    The only change I have made from previous set up is lower gearing by 10%.

    I have ridden it on mild, moderately fast, swoopy, loose singletrack.

    I have ridden it on the most technical, slow speed trialsy rock crawling stuff we have in these parts.

    The handling is spot on in tight, slow switchbacks, and spun out cornering on gravel.

    This is the best rigid bike I have ever ridden. Period. Ultimately, for me, the important thing about a bike is that is sort of disappears under me. It should do what I want, the way I want, without a lot of monkeying around on my part. It should bring a smile to my face. It should not have characteristics that annoy me. At the end of the ride, I should want to call all my friends and proclaim: "I love riding this machine!"

    I have had several bikes that treat me that way: Lenz Behemoth and Milk Money for example, but never a rigid that had the certain something I was looking for...until now.

    I highly recommend this bike if it fits you.

    Build notes:

    Jones diamond frame and truss fork
    Front Speedway 135 hub, rear SS King laced to Flows by Mikesee
    Bontrager FR-3 tires
    Mr. Whirly cranks 31X21 gearing (Surly SS cog)
    Gravity Dropper 4" Turbo
    Koobi saddle
    Azonic World Force Bars
    Thomson 50mm stem (to be replaced by Syntace Superforce 60mm some time)
    Avid BB7 mechanical brakes 180f/160r

    I will update in the future, but at this point I don't ever see selling this thing or really changing much of anything.
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    Agreed with the above, I love my Jones 24" diamond ti.
    I wish someone could build a 29er full suspension bike that felt and fit as good as my Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I will update in the future, but at this point I don't ever see selling this thing or really changing much of anything.
    Pretty glowing review. I hope I like mine as much. I have the fat front with unicrown fork though until June or something when I hope to get the Ti truss. I still don't have mine together yet though!

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    But then we would have the hassle of maintaining all the moving parts while we Jonesriders don't!
    Ridin ridin ridin..... raw ti!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Pretty glowing review. I hope I like mine as much. I have the fat front with unicrown fork though until June or something when I hope to get the Ti truss. I still don't have mine together yet though!
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too. Just waiting for Jeff to build the front wheel and send everything out. I have all the other parts sitting in a box, and I can hardly stand the wait!! It doesn't help that whenever I call, Jeff gets me even more excited about it!

    What wheel/tire are you going with in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too.
    What made you go with the unicrown instead of the truss fork...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasse1977
    What made you go with the unicrown instead of the truss fork...?
    Budget.

    I got a bonus this year, and was given the green light to purchase a bike. I did not want to affect our monthly budget with this purchase, so I had a budget of about $2100. I was initially going to build a Kona Big Unit with a Niner carbon fork. But once I realized that the steel Jones/unicrown could be within my budget, I started to reconsider.

    There were several factors to consider:
    The Jones is $750 frame/fork, but requires a new wheel using a special hub and rim
    The Kona/Niner would be about $1000 frame/fork, but I could use my existing XT/Gordo wheelset
    Fat front vs. standard 29er
    Steel vs. Aluminum
    EBB vs. Sliders
    Suspension-corrected vs. Non-corrected
    Heavy vs. Light

    I've been interested in the fat front idea for a while, and am committed to riding a rigid/ss. The phone call with Jeff sealed the deal.

    I'll be able to use my XT/Gordo rear with the fattest 29er tires available, and should be able to sell my XT/Gordo front without too much trouble, I would think.

    Excited doesn't even begin to describe...

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    The fat front is great - you'll love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    I think Razak is going baaa...baaa

    hehe

    I wouldn't mind a steel diamond Jones myself, actually!

    Whether it's built by Jeff Jones himself, Merlin, or by a factory in Taiwan - his frames are executions of his design and riding philosophy. He wants more people on more of his bikes, and going the Taiwan route helps him achieve that.
    agu, dat guy, dat maman72 is the one going baa baa...his sheep will line up besides my Mones next month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabeRacer
    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?
    +1.

    Also, I'm looking at the Diamond but admittedly would love the ti Truss. Is this a XC racer in anyway, worried about the weight and climbing ability, especially seated climbs? I'll never run a fatty on the front, never doing big drops or rocky technical, and it'll be a SS. I'm on the east coast in Chattanooga area, with flowing singletrack, some technical and rocks, but mostly just deciduous/pine laden mountain tops. Not out west on the submarine or chicken rock trails, so any thoughts about riding here? Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by signalMTB
    Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
    Yes, it requires a 135mm wide front hub. Jones makes one, Paul makes one, and I think Phil Wood makes one. Check it out here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too. Just waiting for Jeff to build the front wheel and send everything out. I have all the other parts sitting in a box, and I can hardly stand the wait!! It doesn't help that whenever I call, Jeff gets me even more excited about it!

    What wheel/tire are you going with in the rear?
    For now I'll use an old one I haven't used in a long while. I think it's a Flow rim and Hope hub. I'm going to run it 1x9 with a 36th cassette and probably a 28th ring.

    Congrats on your purchase.

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    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?
    +1.

    Also, I'm looking at the Diamond but admittedly would love the ti Truss. Is this a XC racer in anyway, worried about the weight and climbing ability, especially seated climbs? I'll never run a fatty on the front, never doing big drops or rocky technical, and it'll be a SS. I'm on the east coast in Chattanooga area, with flowing singletrack, some technical and rocks, but mostly just deciduous/pine laden mountain tops. Not out west on the submarine or chicken rock trails, so any thoughts about riding here? Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
    I haven't tried to race mine-but it does climb very well, which is what I'd expect since it's a rigid bike :P Put this way, it's no worse than any of the other bikes that I consider to be somewhat comparable (cotic soul, various stumpjumpers) My spaceframe is set up geared, with the fat front wheel, it weighs around 30 pounds-to use a cliche, it feels a lot lighter than it is to ride. I could take a lot of weight off the bike by using a normal front wheel and lighter tyres, probably about 4-5 pounds...

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    its fine to race. by and large racing means lots of effort, and that often means you stand to climb. i s'pose in the states you'll have longer hills so may need to sit for some, but the rearward weight bias is good in that it alternates muscle group use between sitting and standing pedaling.

    the only issue i have had racing the jones for long (10-12 hour) races is if the courses are ultra hard and bumpy, in which case the rigidity of the truss fork can lead to a bit of beating you up, otherwise its a great bike to race on.

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    Even Gramps likes the ride





    I got to assemble a bud's spaceframe/truss fork tonight. He also got JJ's trick BB7 set up. It is a very unique and thoughtful design. Nokon wrapped in shrink wrap connected to custom bent tubing of some sort. Absolutely sealed, and very compression resistant. This was coupled to XTR brake levers.



















    He got pretty much the entire Jones package with the H-bars, etc. We left the steerer pretty high until he is certain about bar height.

    He has not had a new bike in a long time and he was pretty tickled, riding around with a huge grin on his face. Just riding in the driveway, I could not tell any difference between my diamond and the spaceframe.
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    Yeah, he looks SOOOOoo comfortable on that Must really like having his ass hangin off the back of the saddle to get some semblence of decent cockpit Bet he's also digging the ghetto style knees bent always, can put feet flat on the ground at anytime style of riding
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Yeah, he looks SOOOOoo comfortable on that Must really like having his ass hangin off the back of the saddle to get some semblence of decent cockpit Bet he's also digging the ghetto style knees bent always, can put feet flat on the ground at anytime style of riding
    Are you really criticizing the fit of a 70 year old who hasn't been on a bike since he was a kid? He is lucky to walk a mile on a good day and this set up allowed him to ride four flat miles with his grandkids, see some beautiful terrain and not fall over and break a hip in the process since he could always put both feet flat on the ground while seated if need be.

    You, sir, are an ass.

    On top of that you seemingly have no sense of humor which is probably more sad.

    Welcome to the ignore list. You are the first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Are you really criticizing the fit of a 70 year old who hasn't been on a bike since he was a kid? He is lucky to walk a mile on a good day and this set up allowed him to ride four flat miles with his grandkids, see some beautiful terrain and not fall over and break a hip in the process since he could always put both feet flat on the ground while seated if need be.

    You, sir, are an ass.

    On top of that you seemingly have no sense of humor which is probably more sad.

    Welcome to the ignore list. You are the first.
    i am sorry you had to suffer from LyNxitis...on the other hand you should have expected so much and therefore would not have been surprised. its a shame not everybody can have class like me

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    You, sir, are an ass.

    On top of that you seemingly have no sense of humor which is probably more sad.

    Welcome to the ignore list. You are the first.

    Hey, while you're at it...throw Fo on that ignore list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Hey, while you're at it...throw Fo on that ignore list.

    You'll thank me later.
    please at least use an updated picture. I currently sport a skullet. thanks in advance

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    Yep, some people can come across harsh at times. Some are simply just a straight up ass, no getting around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    this set up allowed him to ride four flat miles with his grandkids, see some beautiful terrain and not fall over.
    I hope to be fortunate enough do enjoy something like this when I'm 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I hope to be fortunate enough do enjoy something like this when I'm 70.
    Aqua only wishes he were that young

    The view made the ill fitting ride worth it.

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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I hope to be fortunate enough do enjoy something like this when I'm 70.
    I agree.

    And no offense to Enel, as it is cool, but Aquaholic is 76 years old and he is a pretty good rider too

    EDIT: Damnit, Enel beat me to the punch by mocking the oh so easy target of GeezerHolic

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    I wish I could still ride a bike with my dad. Still remember being 4 years old, having my own bike, and going for a ride with him, once I learned how. Major milestone in my life.

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    I really want a Jones, someday I will finally buy one, till then thanks for the cool pics. of yours.

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    Anyone who can annoy Fo like Lynx does is solid in my book.

    I will try and quote him everytime he says something that is annoying tho so you can see it anyways Enel, you should learn to be more tolerant of your fellow E friends here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Anyone who can annoy Fo like Lynx does is solid in my book.

    I will try and quote him everytime he says something that is annoying tho so you can see it anyways Enel, you should learn to be more tolerant of your fellow E friends here.
    I have no issues with LyNx to be quite honest, its your guts that i hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    I have no issues with LyNx to be quite honest, its your guts that i hate
    I would put you on my ignore list but that actually makes me happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    I would put you on my ignore list but that actually makes me happy
    whatever...go ride your lame cross bike poseur

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    Good idea, I'm gonna put a fat front on it and ride it over a rock, then carpetbomb the 29er board with pics

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    Sorry you feel that way, you posted the pic, didn't say anything about him not riding bikes regularly, so I took it that was another Jones"perfect fit" pic. I just don't take the BS of one size fitting all riders that Jones throws out and that his followrs seem to take as gospel, if that were so then all cbike companies would only produce one size frame.

    As to your Dad, glad he got out, sorry he hasn't riden a bike since he was a kid. As to 70 being a/the reason I know too many "old geezers" who'd smoke me up any climb and almost stay with me on the descent for me to think of 70 as old and needing anything special in terms of fit/style Hum maybe that's why Aqua and Enel both need the shorter more upright cockpits the Jones provides never thought about their age

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Are you really criticizing the fit of a 70 year old who hasn't been on a bike since he was a kid? He is lucky to walk a mile on a good day and this set up allowed him to ride four flat miles with his grandkids, see some beautiful terrain and not fall over and break a hip in the process since he could always put both feet flat on the ground while seated if need be.

    You, sir, are an ass.

    On top of that you seemingly have no sense of humor which is probably more sad.

    Welcome to the ignore list. You are the first.
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    Some one post pics of the diamond frame & unicrown fork!Mines 2-3 weeks out
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    Some one post pics of the diamond frame & unicrown fork!Mines 2-3 weeks out
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    Same here!
    Edit: Are you doing the fatty or 29er front?
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    29er front with polished paul whub to match the king rear.

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    Another Tai-Jones. It's a little different from the prior two I have shown, traditional diamond frame with traditional (but really really fat) two bladed fork...

    We broke it in on a dawn patrol ride today:

















    SuperDan is a much more experienced (and much stronger!) rigid rider than I am. He built this thing up last night and just ripped it today. He felt it required no adaptation and generally was invisible under him. It felt like a slightly more springy version of the Simon Bar with better steering precision. I bounced on it a little and the fore-aft flex is slightly more than the truss fork, but not much at all compared to other forks I have tried. It has a cool shape, sort of like the Willits WOW fork though not as dramatic with the back sweep. I would like to swap forks with him some time to try them back and forth, but we are both pretty happy with our respective set ups, so I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

    The mound of spacers is a consequence of a short un-corrected A-C fork with no top pinch bolt on the truss to take up the space. I told Dan he could solve that with a riser bar but he doesn't like 'em.

    I think I have mine dialed where I want it now, I swapped the stem to something just a wee bit longer, lower, lighter, and blacker




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    Mind if I throw a pic of mine in here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    Mind if I throw a pic of mine in here?
    Hey, that's crazy... your trail looks almost exactly like my favorite trail here in San Antonio!
    Oh, and nice lookin' Jonesey ya got there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Hey, that's crazy... your trail looks almost exactly like my favorite trail here in San Antonio!
    Oh, and nice lookin' Jonesey ya got there.

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    Thanks! This is actually in eastern Iowa. I had a business trip to Dubuque, so I brought the Jones with for a maiden voyage. Lots of fun! Really cool trail too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    Mind if I throw a pic of mine in here?
    Not at all, that's what the thread is for.

    Nice traditional! We need to get a blue one in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Holy Humongous Rotors Batman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Holy Humongous Rotors Batman!
    They are only 185mm. I could go BIGGER!

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    @Allroy,what trails are these shots from??
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    That's it. I want one. Time to start saving for a 24".

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    Another shot of mine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    That's it. I want one. Time to start saving for a 24".
    I don't know how tall you are, but I'm 6'2" and expected to be a little cramped on my 23", but have found that not to be the case. It fit like a glove right out of the box. Obviously I'm using the Thompson layback post, but my stem is only 90mm and my seat is centered on the rails. It was hard to pull the trigger though, having not tried one first.

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    I'm 2" shorter, but have used short stems and long tt's for so long now that I don't think I would go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    Another shot of mine...
    Is that a 50mm front rim or 70?
    What's on the back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by staz
    Is that a 50mm front rim or 70?
    What's on the back?
    50mm Jones on the front, 35mm Gordo on the rear

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    Dan seems to be getting along well with his Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    I have been following this thread for a while, really liking the diamond frames with the truss fork! Interesting to find that some people are using conventional bars, always assumed that Jones bikes always had Jones bars. What I would really like to know is the seat tube length. I'm only 5'9" and although the top tube length seems perfect (a nice 23") I have always liked a low slung frame (thats why I like On-Ones, 23" top tube with a 16" seat tube). So could anyone measure the seat tube length for me?Lots of stand over is always a good thing in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jupiter
    I have been following this thread for a while, really liking the diamond frames with the truss fork! Interesting to find that some people are using conventional bars, always assumed that Jones bikes always had Jones bars. What I would really like to know is the seat tube length. I'm only 5'9" and although the top tube length seems perfect (a nice 23") I have always liked a low slung frame (thats why I like On-Ones, 23" top tube with a 16" seat tube). So could anyone measure the seat tube length for me?Lots of stand over is always a good thing in my opinion.
    Here's my son riding on mine:
    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22403597" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/22403597">AB on the Jones</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6459200">Austin B</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Uh-oh, that bike is obviously not the right size for your son. The fit police are gonna come after you and your son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    Uh-oh, that bike is obviously not the right size for your son. The fit police are gonna come after you and your son.
    *gasp*

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    Where is that? Looks kinda like Old Town Ft. Collins.

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    Front window of Brown Cycles, in Grand Junction.
    Its sitting in the front window while the shop owner builds it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Even Gramps likes the ride





    I got to assemble a bud's spaceframe/truss fork tonight. He also got JJ's trick BB7 set up. It is a very unique and thoughtful design. Nokon wrapped in shrink wrap connected to custom bent tubing of some sort. Absolutely sealed, and very compression resistant. This was coupled to XTR brake levers.



















    He got pretty much the entire Jones package with the H-bars, etc. We left the steerer pretty high until he is certain about bar height.

    He has not had a new bike in a long time and he was pretty tickled, riding around with a huge grin on his face. Just riding in the driveway, I could not tell any difference between my diamond and the spaceframe.
    What kind of bike rack is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morandi
    What kind of bike rack is that?
    Not my car or bike, but I am told it is some sort of Mini brand accessory that secures into receivers in the back of the car. It was pretty cool.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Like it I do. For this sort of move it has no peer IMO.

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    Like it I do. For this sort of move it has no peer IMO.
    I love the give up right behind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Dan seems to be getting along well with his Jones.

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    Here's FixedGearDan making the same maneuver:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Here's FixedGearDan making the same maneuver:
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    Hey, what gives? That looks like it has a freewheel on it!!! Sell out!
    Highly disappointed in Dan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Hey, what gives? That looks like it has a freewheel on it!!! Sell out!
    Highly disappointed in Dan...

    Los (realized his fixed off road days were behind him a few years ago...)



    Los,

    Riding your fixed gear bike that one time, and subsequently almost breaking my ankles, made me realize how much I loathe those things.
    What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Hey, what gives? That looks like it has a freewheel on it!!! Sell out!
    Highly disappointed in Dan...

    Los (realized his fixed off road days were behind him a few years ago...)
    Ok I fess up Ive been free wheel for a few years now.A couple of reasons
    1 my knees do not like back pressure anymore
    2 coasting is fun!
    3 Im getting friggin old.
    I guess i will change my name to FreewheelDan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    Ok I fess up Ive been free wheel for a few years now.A couple of reasons
    1 my knees do not like back pressure anymore
    2 coasting is fun!
    3 Im getting friggin old.
    I guess i will change my name to FreewheelDan.
    Yeah, I put a freewheel on for a 24 hour race a couple of years ago. At the time, I figured it would be a temporary thing, but as you said, coasting is fun!
    Turned 40 last week, which while not old (at least to me now,) is too old for me to go back.
    Besides, I'd miss the smiles that downhills giveme now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Yeah, I put a freewheel on for a 24 hour race a couple of years ago. At the time, I figured it would be a temporary thing, but as you said, coasting is fun!
    Turned 40 last week, which while not old (at least to me now,) is too old for me to go back.
    Besides, I'd miss the smiles that downhills giveme now!

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    That blue is fantastic!

    Anyone know the seat tube length and stand-over on the steel diamond frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    guess i'm still young....

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    Yeah, we can't all be fire breathing, rip roaring, bourbon swilling fixed riding rock stars forever!

    BTW, good luck on your upstream GDR effort this year, I'll be rooting for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Yeah, we can't all be fire breathing, rip roaring, bourbon swilling fixed riding rock stars forever!

    BTW, good luck on your upstream GDR effort this year, I'll be rooting for you!

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    Bump.

    Best rigid frame I have ever ridden. Period. I love this thing and have zero regrets about buying it.

    Just sharing the post ride stoke. I usually seem to come off this thing pretty stoked.



    Dan has a Jones diamond with two bladed fork whilst I have the Jones Diamond with Truss fork. We did a big 3-4 hour ride the other day and swapped bikes for the last 15 minutes. We both came away feeling that the differences in the forks were pretty minimal. Tire pressures were more significant. That being said, we both felt the two bladed fork was slightly more comfortable, and the Truss tucked slightly less under braking. These differences were truly minimal and would not be noticed without a back to back ride. The two blade had a slight tendency to spring the front end in the air. This is not uncontrollable, but it is something I have not felt with a rigid fork before.

    Personally, if I were buying, I would lean toward the standard diamond/two blade combo and save a few hundred bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbyfreak View Post
    <img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/5629689085_b697287351_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe">
    Very nice color
    Did you buy a black frame and brought it to a powder coater or did you order the frame with custom color?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Best rigid frame I have ever ridden. Period. I love this thing and have zero regrets about buying it.
    ...
    Personally, if I were buying, I would lean toward the standard diamond/two blade combo and save a few hundred bucks.
    Agreed! Love mine.
    Since we're making recommendations, I would advise to try the fat front. I recently went on a roadtrip to a trail that has actual rocks () and the fat front was amazing!

    The only picture I have is from a recent gravel ride, just before the sun went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis View Post
    Agreed! Love mine.
    Since we're making recommendations, I would advise to try the fat front. I recently went on a roadtrip to a trail that has actual rocks () and the fat front was amazing!

    The only picture I have is from a recent gravel ride, just before the sun went down.
    Went with the Truss/Space/Fat Front......and just got the Loop H Bars.....this combo is rocking so good......I sold my DW Sultan
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    Nice, that is a short cockpit w/ that stem. How tall are you/ inseam? I run a 90 and I don't think I would like a 70. But really I don't know, I guess. 6' here w/ a 32" inseam. These bikes are a lot of fun.

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    No this was JJ choice of color when he ordered this frames. Thanks!
    Keep it simple, keep it single! :)

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    Thanks ! I think the stand over is just under 30 inches
    Keep it simple, keep it single! :)

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    Thanks! im only 5'5 and with the layback seatpost. I feel that the 70 - 80 mm feels perfect.
    Keep it simple, keep it single! :)

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    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?
    I wondered whether the 4.5" tyre would fit when I first saw the rumours, and there's easily more than 1/2" of extra clearance on both sides of the wheel in the truss fork with the 3.8" Larry on a large marge rim.

    (edit) just looked at it again and it's more like 18mm of clearance, either side of the tyre.
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    sweet bike!

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    book mark

    I am becoming very interested in the diamond from and 2 blade fork. I only live 2 hours south of Ashland, so I am going to try and see if I can test ride one. Only reason I could justify one is if it is "that" much more fun than my current bike.

    I do have one question that I can't seem to find the answer for. Whats the approximate chainstay length on your bike Enel? Oh, and since I am asking questions that have probably already been answered. How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbyfreak View Post
    Fresh from the oven BLUE Spaceframe :<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5630273298/" title="P35 Laced to Paul Hubs by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5630273298_3a8cb1b088_b.jpg" width="680" height="1024" alt="P35 Laced to Paul Hubs"></a<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5629689663/" title="Jones Steel Spaceframe by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5302/5629689663_f7c87e4632_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe"></a<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5629689085/" title="Jones Steel Spaceframe by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/5629689085_b697287351_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe"></a>
    I vote this frame as being the best looking!!

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    If there is one drawback about the Jones Spaceframe, it's the attention, especially w/ a Fat front. Many have never seen such a bike. In the parking lot or at trail head , on the trails, be ready to socialize. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    If there is one drawback about the Jones Spaceframe, it's the attention, especially w/ a Fat front. Many have never seen such a bike. In the parking lot or at trail head , on the trails, be ready to socialize. LOL
    Just like singlespeeds back in 1996...people will get over it, then a big manufacturere will jump on board...next stop: mainstream

    Loving the blue too!

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    Loki - on the CS length, the Jones is longer than the current fashion, about 435-450mm range from the EBB I think. Maybe a tad shorter. I test-rode one a while back with a 110mm stem on it (I hate long stems!) and it was still one of the easiest bikes to bunny-hop and loft over logs, it was a very different bike to what I'm used to but at the same time it was very intuitive to ride. I generally ride a 26" bike locally, wide bars, 120mm forks etc and I found the Jones hopped and floated over stuff just fine.

    Normal numbers don't have relativity on this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?
    How much heavier will it be, and will it provide extra cushion or will it be mostly knobs?

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    @Hobbyfreak:

    I'm not sure if the standard 23" spaceframes front is high enough for me. Please could you measure the distance shown in the attached picture? (front axle to top ot the fork)
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    25"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    25"
    Thanx. But I must know the BB Drop also - how much is this?

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    BB/ 10.5" appox. Fat front

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    Don't suppose anyone wants to sell me a 2nd hand diamond frame? (ad in 'wanted')

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    Not me, but if you decide to import one to the Old World, let me know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Don't suppose anyone wants to sell me a 2nd hand diamond frame? (ad in 'wanted')
    They're only $750 new aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    They're only $750 new aren't they?
    Yep - plus shipping, duty etc and new front wheel (135mm hub) etc. All adds up. Plus worried about sizing. Getting a test ride in UK near impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Yep - plus shipping, duty etc and new front wheel (135mm hub) etc. All adds up. Plus worried about sizing. Getting a test ride in UK near impossible.
    You could find a Spaceframe to try, which is similar enough to get a size feel...?

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    that is 1.5'' to much fot a 15.5'' frame.
    Probably the smallest 29-er rider in the Dutch Mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HetTuig View Post
    that is 1.5'' to much fot a 15.5'' frame.
    if it were a conventional geometry, perhaps. The Jones rotates you back around the BB, so the seat angle is slacker and the front is higher. It works, I like a low front end but aside from re-adjusting my cornering technique (not that I had a lot to start with!) It felt fine very quickly.

    You could flip the stem too.

    Also, a correctly tilted H-bar (or loop bar to a lesser extent) puts the main grip section about 1" lower than the stem clamp, effectively reducing the height gain of the fork's top clamp.

    I keep saying it, but forget individual numbers when weighing up a Jones. It's hard to do I know, I'm as big a numbers-geek as anyone, but studying then test-riding this bike was a learning experience.

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    One can also add spacers above or below the headset/truss fork for varying HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    BB/ 10.5" appox. Fat front
    Huh?
    BB drop must be around 2" - 3".
    You can see it on the attached image...
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    He measued BB height (not drop) for you.

    Still don't see how a front can be "not tall enough"????

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    Okay 14 5/8/ floor to center of skewer. So, roughly 4 " drop

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    Tai (Ti) Jones

    Just got mine this week and finished the build last night. Maiden voyage tomorrow.
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    Love to know your first impressions lightning boy. I get mine next week.

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    Tai (Ti) Jones

    Octavius,

    The ride was exactly what I was expecting since I got to ride one back in Nov. 2010 with JJ when I went to visit my family in Medford, OR.
    I sold all my bikes to get this. I would never have bought one had I not ridden one. I got to do 3 hours of riding, swapping between the ti/truss and the diamond/unicrown.
    I was going to get the diamond/unicrown but my wife said that I would be thinking Ti the whole time I was riding it so I ponyed-up for the ti.

    I can only say that it rode as I remembered it. Precise is the first word that comes to mind, the steering is hands down the best I've had. The bike is also comfortable, not like the SC Heckler I had with a Maverick DUC32, but I feel that the suspension of my previous bike was dulling my sense of the trail. The Ardent 2.4s take the sting out of the rocks around here in N. AZ. I'm running 20 psi and will experiment with lower psi. I'm contemplating the Fat front but not sure yet since the bike rides so well with the 2.4s.

    My main reason to going with this bike, (I looked at Black Sheep, Salsa Ti Fargo, Lynskey and Fatback) was that it lacked suspension correction, the use of frame design to achieve some compliance, has a wheelbase similar to my previous 26" wheeled bikes. I was also sick of overhauling the Maverick on it's recommended schedule which meant every 4-5 weeks of riding. With limited time to ride (having little ones) I rather ride than work on my bike.

    My first ride on my own Jones left me with a grin from ear to ear! This has to be the best bike I've owned so far and the first 29er. I've had other ti bikes (Titus,Voodoo) but this one rides way better. The craftsmanship is excellent.

    I think that anyone that is contemplating a Jones will not be disappointed.

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    thanks lightning boy, i cant ask for more than that as an appetiser.

    this bike will be my first ti bike and 29er. never ridden a jones before (and never seen one in scotland although i know of other one) frameset arrives today or tomorrow, so first ride later this week...

    very very excited.

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    It took a healthy dose of whiskey to get me to sleep last week waiting for my Jones. I paid for three day air mail to shorten the torture. But all the hype is so true. I've had some nice bikes, but this Jones is pure genius.

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    Interesting setup. How is the Fat working out?

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    Since this thread still lives:

    I'll go on record saying I still really like the bike. It is my go to rig for >50% of rides and the only rigid bike I ride off road.

    I rode my KM commuter on road today for the first time in a while, and it felt all flexy and flimsy in comparison.

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    Sweet bikes, I really wish I could afford one...

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    just got mine, totally amazing, anyone thats curious needs to have a spin on one.

    its is most comfortable, agile, confidence inspiring bike I've ever ridden. light and goes like a rocket.

    looks crazy, looks big but feels small, so much is different to the bike it replaces - my carbon 26" stumpjumper ht.

    cant do my first proper ride for a few days but cannot wait to hit the hills...

    pix to follow.

    doing lots of grinning and brake squeezing.

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    And lots of staring and tyre kicking

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    You finally received the frame

    Quote Originally Posted by octavius View Post
    just got mine, totally amazing, anyone thats curious needs to have a spin on one.

    its is most comfortable, agile, confidence inspiring bike I've ever ridden. light and goes like a rocket.

    looks crazy, looks big but feels small, so much is different to the bike it replaces - my carbon 26" stumpjumper ht.

    cant do my first proper ride for a few days but cannot wait to hit the hills...

    pix to follow.

    doing lots of grinning and brake squeezing.
    John, have fun with it

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