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    We had a blast on our RYVEs at the SPOT group ride at 2020 Sedona MTB Fest.




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    I will ask a shallow question: How does the red Ryve look in person? TIA.

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    you talking design or color? both pretty horrid actually, the paint job is pretty poor quality too. chipped really easily on mayhem i used to own. i assume it is similar on ryve, the one i demoed had a lot of chips as well (both hot tomato). there is not much to chose from, hot tomato or checkered balck. both look pretty bad. i would not worry about aesthetics much, but if you want bike that rides good and is aesthetically pleasing, there are much better choices to pick from. but i know people that would tell you just the opposite, we are all different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brankulo View Post
    you talking design or color? both pretty horrid actually, the paint job is pretty poor quality too. chipped really easily on mayhem i used to own. i assume it is similar on ryve, the one i demoed had a lot of chips as well (both hot tomato). there is not much to chose from, hot tomato or checkered balck. both look pretty bad. i would not worry about aesthetics much, but if you want bike that rides good and is aesthetically pleasing, there are much better choices to pick from. but i know people that would tell you just the opposite, we are all different.
    I will admit. I need it to look good if am paying quite a bit

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    I personally love the hot tomato, but I know plenty of people don't. I'm not a fan of the checkered black. It's personal preference.

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    I've had my Ryve 115 for a few months, and my initial review still stands, with one or two tweaks:

    1) the stack is really low on this bike. Makes sense for an XC/Marathon bike, but I use this as my trail/all-mountain bike, and I run the stem really high to get the stack I like. This bike is so capable that I've been taking it on bigger and bigger trails lately, so I prefer the longer stack.

    2) the reach is a tad short when ridden as an aggressive all-mountain bike (which is isn't, but I ride it that way anyway). I'd love to lengthen the reach by 20mm if it were me, but once again, I'm using the bike in a way it wasn't designed.

    This bike still blows me away every time I ride it. It's extremely fast, the cable routing is fantastic, and the ride is great. I feel like the suspension is slightly more active than the original mayhem, but it doesn't feel inefficient. The biggest surprise is how playful the bike is. It wants to jump and pop off everything, and it's probably my best-manualing bike I own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    I personally love the hot tomato, but I know plenty of people don't. I'm not a fan of the checkered black. It's personal preference.
    The black isn't checkered fwiw. At least mine isn't. It's just a smooth raw carbon dark gray/black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    I've had my Ryve 115 for a few months, and my initial review still stands, with one or two tweaks:

    1) the stack is really low on this bike. Makes sense for an XC/Marathon bike, but I use this as my trail/all-mountain bike, and I run the stem really high to get the stack I like. This bike is so capable that I've been taking it on bigger and bigger trails lately, so I prefer the longer stack.
    Agreed, I'm running 35mm rise bars.

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    2) the reach is a tad short when ridden as an aggressive all-mountain bike (which is isn't, but I ride it that way anyway). I'd love to lengthen the reach by 20mm if it were me, but once again, I'm using the bike in a way it wasn't designed.
    I actually downsized, and the reach is fine to me. At least while pedaling. Horses for courses...

    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    This bike still blows me away every time I ride it. It's extremely fast, the cable routing is fantastic, and the ride is great. I feel like the suspension is slightly more active than the original mayhem, but it doesn't feel inefficient. The biggest surprise is how playful the bike is. It wants to jump and pop off everything, and it's probably my best-manualing bike I own.
    Again, I agree. It manuals well because it's isn't too long so it's easier to lift, and the 29er wheels have a huge balance point. So I still wouldn't change the reach

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    Ah, great clarification, thanks. The checkered must only be on the mayhems and rolliks. I've had both, and I hate red bikes, but the hot tomato is pretty cool in my opinion. There's nothing like it. Hot tomato is the perfect name to describe the color. It's like flourescent tomato soup. I dig matte paint. I haven't had any paint issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    I've had my Ryve 115 for a few months, and my initial review still stands, with one or two tweaks:

    1) the stack is really low on this bike. Makes sense for an XC/Marathon bike, but I use this as my trail/all-mountain bike, and I run the stem really high to get the stack I like. This bike is so capable that I've been taking it on bigger and bigger trails lately, so I prefer the longer stack.

    2) the reach is a tad short when ridden as an aggressive all-mountain bike (which is isn't, but I ride it that way anyway). I'd love to lengthen the reach by 20mm if it were me, but once again, I'm using the bike in a way it wasn't designed.
    Couldn't this be solved by going up a size?

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    I'm 5'6" on a medium. If I were to switch to a large, the seat tube would be far too long for me

    I understand that I'm often riding this bike outside of it's intended use. When I'm on mellower trails, the geo is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    I will admit. I need it to look good if am paying quite a bit
    When I ordered my Ryve in Red I requested a protective frame wrap. Spot sent it to Uplnd Stoke and then built it up to ship to me. Both paint and the vinyl are still in great shape. So there are "factory"-applied options if you want to protect your investment and keep it looking good. No regrets on the red Hot Tomato color!
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    Alright - here's a question. Would putting a 130mm fork on the 115 be a bad idea? I imagine it'd slacken the seat angle by a degree or so (along with the HT). But might help off set the low stack? I'm torn on this last part of the build. SC 34 120nn to keep it light, or regular 34 130mm for more squish.

    Any insights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    ..Any insights?
    Yes. While sheltering at home, why not use the time to brush up on your trigonometry and use it to calculate the change in HTA and STA caused by lengthening the fork.
    What, me worry?

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    Wow - are all of your 8000 posts like this? Angles are only a part of the equation (do the math). I'm really looking for insights from someone who's maybe already run a 130mm fork. And as said, I'm fully aware of the slackening that will occur. Who could give a petty rat's ass if it's 1 degree, 2 degrees, or 50? I've over forked all kinds of bikes - get 2 tallboy worked great with a 140. Gen 1 Following not as much. But simply 'doing the math' wouldn't have led me to those conclusions.

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    I think the 120mm stepcast 34 is the perfect fork for this bike. I've never felt like I needed more travel on this bike, even on big trails. If you start overforking, you'll soon want burlier wheels, and wider tires, and you'll be 90% of your way to a mayhem at that point.

    The low stack is just my experience riding this bike more like an AM bike. If you want a higher stack, I'd run all the spacers under the stem. If you still want a higher bar position, run a higher rise bar. Bam. Problem solved.

    The bike is so balanced and dialed. I'm normally one for experimenting, but I don't think a 130mm fork would offer any advantage. It would come with more disadvantages than advantages. This is a light bike and it rides like one. In other words, you still have to pick your lines and stay light on the wheels. It will really reward a great rider. It's not like a specialized enduro where you can just smash whatever is in its path.

    If you're looking for a more capable bike with similar(ish) riding characteristics, look at the mayhem and the rollik 150.

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    Thanks for the useful reply, H-Party! That's how I was sort of leaning anyway - I'm pretty light on my bikes, and enjoy flowy single track more than mashing rock gardens. So step cast 120 it is! Wonder if I can get it to 26 lbs with the Turbine Wheels I have ready to go!

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    Maybe try the new sid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesingletrakmind View Post
    Maybe try the new sid!

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    I had the same thought in the 35mm version. So rad to have so many good choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunAg08 View Post
    When I ordered my Ryve in Red I requested a protective frame wrap. Spot sent it to Uplnd Stoke and then built it up to ship to me. Both paint and the vinyl are still in great shape. So there are "factory"-applied options if you want to protect your investment and keep it looking good. No regrets on the red Hot Tomato color!
    Thanks Cajun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    I had the same thought in the 35mm version. So rad to have so many good choices.
    I had the same thought!

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    Definitely look at the new Sid. Not loving the 34mm sc and it seems I am not alone. Of the numerous fox forks I’ve owned over the years, getting this one happy is no easy trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Definitely look at the new Sid. Not loving the 34mm sc and it seems I am not alone. Of the numerous fox forks I’ve owned over the years, getting this one happy is no easy trick.
    I'm pretty happy with my SC 34. It's been issue free and surprisingly supple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Definitely look at the new Sid. Not loving the 34mm sc and it seems I am not alone. Of the numerous fox forks I’ve owned over the years, getting this one happy is no easy trick.
    Yeah, it's way over-damped. It can be made better, but it might be best just to start with something else. The chassis has potential, but Fox is infamous for screwing up damping and wacky tunes. I don't recommend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott2MTB View Post
    I'm pretty happy with my SC 34. It's been issue free and surprisingly supple.
    So I ended up ordering the SC 34 over the SID. I've been a Rockshox person for the past several years - absolutely hated my last Fox. But that was 8 or 9 years ago. I really use the 3 position switch on my Pike and I want to keep that functionality. RS has gone to off/on on everything (unless you can find an RCT3 Pike around) via the HSC / LSC knob and I'm just not as stoked about that as I am the RCT3/Fox style of switch.

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    The only thing that turns me off on this bike are the rim and tires it comes with. I would prefer to put something a little beefier on it. I would want just slightly wider like a Stan's Arch MK3 with 2.4 Tires.

    Is anyone riding theirs like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viva Borracho View Post
    The only thing that turns me off on this bike are the rim and tires it comes with. I would prefer to put something a little beefier on it. I would want just slightly wider like a Stan's Arch MK3 with 2.4 Tires.

    Is anyone riding theirs like this?
    The rear tire clearance might be an issue. From what i remember what was on my mayhem i used to own, the clearance was very minimal, i think i was running 2.35 max. on stans arch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viva Borracho View Post
    The only thing that turns me off on this bike are the rim and tires it comes with. I would prefer to put something a little beefier on it. I would want just slightly wider like a Stan's Arch MK3 with 2.4 Tires.
    Ryve is one of the bikes I’m internet X-shopping and I have the exact same reaction. The 100mm bike should have the narrow rims & wimpy tires, not the 115mm bike. Trek top fuel seems to have it about right. Seems stupid to buy a new bike that you immediately want to get a different set of wheels/tires for.
    whatever...

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    Ask the guys at Spot to put different tires on it for you. They're pretty cool about stuff like that. They're pretty cool in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viva Borracho View Post
    The only thing that turns me off on this bike are the rim and tires it comes with. I would prefer to put something a little beefier on it. I would want just slightly wider like a Stan's Arch MK3 with 2.4 Tires.

    Is anyone riding theirs like this?
    I'm riding mine with e13 tires on 28mm ID rims. The rear is the SS and it has buzzed the seat tube once or twice - but like hardtail party, I ride mine like an AM bike. There's effectively no limit to your front tire of course.

    I do agree though, that the spec on the wheels is a little off for what it is, but then I almost never agree with all the choices the companies make, which is why I build mine up from the frame.

    But in case Spot is reading this.. the only thing I strongly disagree with is the lack of ISCG tabs. I already tore the little rubber protector and first cable boss off the drive side chainstay on mine while trying to climb the waterfall on National.

    I get that they're making it as light as possible, but for some reason all (or most) of the recent trail bike offerings have come without them and it's a problem. If you do like tech climbing - which I do, and for which a light trail bike falls squarely into the domain of - you will tear up your chain, ring, and chainstays without one. It's also gotten much harder to even get a bash ring these days with all the 1x direct mount setups out there.

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    Does anyone know what the weight difference between the RYVE 100 vs the 115?

    Looking at a 6star build for each bike.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy harley View Post
    Does anyone know what the weight difference between the RYVE 100 vs the 115?

    Looking at a 6star build for each bike.

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    Spot publishes this in the "build" tab (above the build specs) for each bike, by size. I think the weight diff is about a pound IIRC

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    Is there any difference on the Spot frames, for the Ryve 100 and 115? I heard that they are similar and that the difference is in suspension (travel amount)and that is what changes the frame geometry. Any one know if this is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy harley View Post
    Is there any difference on the Spot frames, for the Ryve 100 and 115? I heard that they are similar and that the difference is in suspension (travel amount)and that is what changes the frame geometry. Any one know if this is true?
    They are the same, with just a different stroke shock

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    I can confirm this as well. Same frame.

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    I recently completed the black canyon trail (60 miles of singletrack) in a day on the Ryve 115. It was the perfect bike for this trail. I know lots of guys ride them a lot farther than I did, but I had a blast challenging myself.


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    Nice, Hardtail Party! That ride looks fantastic.

    So I got the bike built up Saturday and went for a quick 18 mi shakedown ride.
    Everything said thus far reflects my experience. The bike climbs phenomenally. I mean, absolutely phenomenally (seated, a little less so standing). It makes my old Gen 2 Tallboy seem like a lazy climber - which is saying something. It honestly feels like someone is pushing you up by the small of your back. Crazy.

    It would have descended better but I need to tune the SC 34 more - like others have said. Unsure about Fox - might have made a mistake, but I'll keep messing with it. I was instantly reminded of the last Fox fork I had and how awful it was. Like instead of oil it was filled with flour. One ride tho - so will give it time. I'm 156 lbs, and set the air at 78lbs with 10 clicks of rebound from fully open. Which wasn't super rad. Will report future findings if it matters.

    I also put a bubble in my Reverb upon installation, so with no dropper, descending couldn't really be assessed yet. What I can say is this bike scoots. It will make you faster and it is really comfortable overall. No fit weirdness, no weird noises, has a little flex in the rear that seems to suit the ride springiness - similar to my Following V1. A great bike doesn't need to be a stiff-ass plank, I think.

    My build is X01 shifting, Xt brakes, Turbine R stem, Turbine R wheels with Vigilante light/fast tires. Weight is 26 lbs, 15oz. I could lose about 1 1/2 pounds going to a lighter wheel tire combo, but here in the Wasatch having beefier wheels is a good thing.
    I may go to a 35mm rise h-bar, as my current 20mm SixC feels a little low.
    The bike does have a lowish stack - so if you're old like me, take note.

    It took a long time for the frame to get here - long enough for the evil seed of buyer's remorse to take root. But after Saturday's ride, any doubts are in the rearview mirror. What I can't imagine is why anyone would get the 100 - the 115 is plenty fast!

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    I'll bet that bike rips in the Wasatch mtns. Perfect Park City bike or Sundance bike. Enjoy. Once you get it dialed in, look out. Such a fun bike.

    I'm usually a RockShox fan, but I was able to get the stepcast 34 pretty dialed for me. 78psi sounds like a lot for your weight, but that's just a hunch. 10 clicks of rebound also seems like a lot. But I like a fast rebound most of the time. I wonder how many tokens your fork has and if you should tweak that.

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    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...ve-115-29.html

    Exactly my sentiments with the Ryve. Starting to gel with it a bit more that I actually went to a DHF 2.3 up front and raised the bars up slightly and started being a bit more playful with it, but it's unmistakably XC, the Santa Cruz Tallboy (V4) and Norco Optic I think are far more in line with the Mayhem. Live and learn, trying to sell the Ryve and Mayhem to build up an Optic or maybe Tallboy still, since the Following is 157 super boost... live and learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding-Dude View Post
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...ve-115-29.html

    Exactly my sentiments with the Ryve. Starting to gel with it a bit more that I actually went to a DHF 2.3 up front and raised the bars up slightly and started being a bit more playful with it, but it's unmistakably XC, the Santa Cruz Tallboy (V4) and Norco Optic I think are far more in line with the Mayhem. Live and learn, trying to sell the Ryve and Mayhem to build up an Optic or maybe Tallboy still, since the Following is 157 super boost... live and learn.
    Sounds a lot like my Orbea Oiz TR. Definitely more a XC bike. I wanted the Spot but it didn't come out soon enough and I needed a bike. For our Socal trails the Spot sounds like a good choice.
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    Got another quick 1 hour ride in this morning. A couple extra observations - lowered the psi on the SC 34 a bit (down from 78 to like 72) which helped the front end. The chart on the fork says 78 should be good for me, but it's pretty jarring at that level. Will take some tweaking. The rear is set at about 145psi -had started with 155 but lowered it a tiny bit and liked the outcome.
    This thing climbs. Good god. I took it on a very steep, loose and shaley spot, sat back and just motored up. Then a down on a super steep ledgey section and it was just crushing on the down. Still think the stack is a bit low, and even more so with the fork softened a bit. I notice with the 44mm offset and wide bars, with a 50 mm stem, the front wanders a bit on the steep climbs. No biggie, just an adjustment from what I've been riding since I disassembled the Evil. On the way down, it feels like the faster I go, the more stable the bike gets. I could get used to that on fast and flowy single track!

    I'm digging this rig. It's not a replacement for the Following - an entirely different beast. But it's exactly what I needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    Got another quick 1 hour ride in this morning. A couple extra observations - lowered the psi on the SC 34 a bit (down from 78 to like 72) which helped the front end. The chart on the fork says 78 should be good for me, but it's pretty jarring at that level. Will take some tweaking. The rear is set at about 145psi -had started with 155 but lowered it a tiny bit and liked the outcome.
    This thing climbs. Good god. I took it on a very steep, loose and shaley spot, sat back and just motored up. Then a down on a super steep ledgey section and it was just crushing on the down. Still think the stack is a bit low, and even more so with the fork softened a bit. I notice with the 44mm offset and wide bars, with a 50 mm stem, the front wanders a bit on the steep climbs. No biggie, just an adjustment from what I've been riding since I disassembled the Evil. On the way down, it feels like the faster I go, the more stable the bike gets. I could get used to that on fast and flowy single track!

    I'm digging this rig. It's not a replacement for the Following - an entirely different beast. But it's exactly what I needed.
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    Naturally I set the pressure to a given approximate sag. But communicating PSI is an actual objective number that might be useful to someone else setting up their rig. Providing accurate sag is nearly impossible without fine marks on the stanction tubes of the shock/fork. Sure, you can measure with a ruler, and make a pretty good guess based on a little rubber donut - that moves when you get on and off the bike during the sag setting session. But it's pretty far from objective. It's like the little widget on the Evil that is supposed to help you set sag. So coarse and, while I totally appreciate the effort, a gimmick in the end. So I'm sharing PSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    I may go to a 35mm rise h-bar, as my current 20mm SixC feels a little low.
    The bike does have a lowish stack - so if you're old like me, take note.
    I'm riding mine with the OneUp 35mm rise bars vs the 20mm I started with. I'm pretty happy with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pop_martian View Post
    I had the same thought!

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    Pop_Martin would you mind telling me what offset you went with on the Sid. I’m taking a hard look at the Ryve 115 with that fork. Need to get to the shop in Golden to take one for a spin before I get too ahead of myself but it checks a lot of boxes for me.

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    Been following this thread for a while a now. Now can't decide if Mayhem or Ryve is for me

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    For me, the ryve requires a more precise line choice. It doesn't do quite as well just plowing through bad lines like the mayhem does. The ryve wants to race and go as fast as it can all the time, up or down. The mayhem is a bit burlier, but still a light and zippy bike, but it can handle lazier line choice.

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    Other than rock gardens, which line to take isn't usually a choice I have to make. I have a combination of machine built bike trails and rake and ride trails in my area. Machine built there are no lines to worry about. Just keep pedaling. Rake and Ride there is an occasional rock or root to go around and the surface is a little more bumpy than the machine built.

    I hate riding rock gardens so no considerations are necessary for line choice for me.

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    One thing about this bike I've felt so far- it's not about getting air, so if your smooth trails are jumpy, the Ryve may not be the rig. It's got a pretty low stack and I can imagine plenty of Friday Fails on it. It sure is fast, and it's fun on smooth, bermy terrian for sure.
    But it is a marathon type bike, so just know that.

    I've got mine set up with Turbine R wheels (which I ultimately hate as I cannot figure out the ping,creak noise they make - just miserable) and I think I'm going to go much lighter with 26-28mm rims - more suited to how the bike feels after 6 rides now. Hope that makes sense in this context.

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    has anyone ridden both the Ryve and the Intense Sniper? Would love to hear a comparison from folks that have actually pedaled both

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    the ryve I had jumped extremely well. I wouldn't hit gaps over 6 feet on it, but anything under that and it does great. It feels surprisingly BMXy to me.

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    HP - it might be the 50mm stem I've got on there, or the fact that my Reverb crapped the bed on day two on the bike (stupid Reverb) coupled with a low stack and 120mm on the front, but this thing really doesn't fly in the air like my Following. Not even close. Still setting it up and figuring out the fork (the shock is set up perfectly right now) but there is more of a front weight bias than other bikes I've been on (TB4, my Following, Kona, etc) Which makes jumps a little less intuitive. Not a big deal - didn't get it for that. It's killer fast, furious on just about everything thus far but I would not get it if I was into bike park action or what I guessed pjr71's 'machine trail' description to mean. I like 30mi cross country trail rides on single track with a lot of climbing. The Ryve is totally insane for that.

    We probably just ride differently.

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    How long did they say it would take to deliver for you?

    Also, that build looks pretty sick. The 5 star is great, but I can't stomach that wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedlove View Post
    How long did they say it would take to deliver for you?

    Also, that build looks pretty sick. The 5 star is great, but I can't stomach that wheelset.
    I inquired yesterday on progress and they said they are running at about 2.5 weeks due to some parts availability issues. Given that the bike market has exploded, I am not surprised. I am grateful that my first choice for a XC bike is available. I have had a Spot Rocker since 2012 that I am now using more often than my trail bike because I recently moved from S. Cal to the no hills forests around Houston.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtntrance View Post
    I inquired yesterday on progress and they said they are running at about 2.5 weeks due to some parts availability issues. Given that the bike market has exploded, I am not surprised. I am grateful that my first choice for a XC bike is available. I have had a Spot Rocker since 2012 that I am now using more often than my trail bike because I recently moved from S. Cal to the no hills forests around Houston.
    Hey your Spot Rocker - is it geared? How do you like it? It is really difficult to find reviews of this bike geared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Hey your Spot Rocker - is it geared? How do you like it? It is really difficult to find reviews of this bike geared.
    My Rocker is single speed. It is my favorite hardtail having been on a Fisher Rig, Niner Sir 9, Ventana Commandte and a Siren Trauco. The Ventana was the worst when braking would vibrate on the rear triangle.
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    Time for a quick update on the Ryve 115.

    Swapped out the Race Face Turbine R wheels for some carbon Crank Bros XCTs. Huge difference in precision! Less deflection and way more predictable. I sorta thought the Turbines were kind of 'sluggish' and they were super noisy with spoke creaks. But the XCT's are insane. Light, stiff in the rear, compliant in the front. Awesome upgrade and a perfect match for the bike. Also replaced the RS Reverb with a One Up and lost a lot of weight up high. Only really need a 120mm dropper for how I use this bike, so that helped with weight as well.

    Overall, both changes made an already snappy ride much snappier. Climbs even better, and just simply rails on bermy singletrack. One of the most, intuitive bikes I've ever ridden. Probably the most intuitive FS bike. It goes where you look before you look. And the faster you ride the smoother it becomes (I know -lot's of bikes are that way - but the Ryve really turns on at higher speeds, and just launches you along).

    As stated above, it's not plush, but it is super fast. And it seems to respond really well to 'adding lightness'. More pleased with each ride!

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    Does anyone recall the Black Friday pricing on the different builds of the Ryve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roy harley View Post
    Does anyone recall the Black Friday pricing on the different builds of the Ryve?
    The Ryve's being the newest bike in the lineup weren't marked down that much that I recall. The Rollik had insane markdowns (>$600) and the Mayhem was in the middle with $200-300 off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott2MTB View Post
    The Ryve's being the newest bike in the lineup weren't marked down that much that I recall. The Rollik had insane markdowns (>$600) and the Mayhem was in the middle with $200-300 off.
    When were the Rolliks discounted? Id get a frame if they went on sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    When were the Rolliks discounted? Id get a frame if they went on sale

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    Pretty much all the major shopping holidays. Rolliks are currently discounted FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    Naturally I set the pressure to a given approximate sag. But communicating PSI is an actual objective number that might be useful to someone else setting up their rig. Providing accurate sag is nearly impossible without fine marks on the stanction tubes of the shock/fork. Sure, you can measure with a ruler, and make a pretty good guess based on a little rubber donut - that moves when you get on and off the bike during the sag setting session. But it's pretty far from objective. It's like the little widget on the Evil that is supposed to help you set sag. So coarse and, while I totally appreciate the effort, a gimmick in the end. So I'm sharing PSI.
    Hey Frytown - did you settle on your suspension settings yet? We weigh about the same and am curious what worked for you so far. I am on the Spot recommendations. But considering removing a volume spacer from the SC 34.

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    Anybody have photos of rear tire clearance? I like to run Ikon or Rekon Race 2.35" tires out back. Don't need much mud clearance as all the nearby trails shut down in the wet. Why you max out at a 2.3" with boost spacing is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    Anybody have photos of rear tire clearance? I like to run Ikon or Rekon Race 2.35" tires out back. Don't need much mud clearance as all the nearby trails shut down in the wet. Why you max out at a 2.3" with boost spacing is beyond me.
    I don't have a photo since I'm across the continent from my Ryve, but I run the 2.35 e13 SS on mine and it fits, though just barely. The tire runs true to size btw. I'm not sure Maxxis tires ever do. I do get the occasional tire rub on the seat tube at full bottom out though, and that's with the minimal tread in the center.

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    How's the frame stiffness of this thing? None of the reviews I've read mention lateral flex. I'm 200lbs and like to smash corners a bit, wondering how the stiffness would compare to say a Blur?

    In profile the skinny leaf spring looks kinda scary, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott2MTB View Post
    I don't have a photo since I'm across the continent from my Ryve, but I run the 2.35 e13 SS on mine and it fits, though just barely. The tire runs true to size btw. I'm not sure Maxxis tires ever do. I do get the occasional tire rub on the seat tube at full bottom out though, and that's with the minimal tread in the center.
    I asked spot about this and they said that the 2.3" designation is "conservative". He also said his everyday setup is a 2.35 rekon race out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    How's the frame stiffness of this thing? None of the reviews I've read mention lateral flex. I'm 200lbs and like to smash corners a bit, wondering how the stiffness would compare to say a Blur?

    In profile the skinny leaf spring looks kinda scary, haha.
    Supposedly there isn't much lateral flex in the leaf spring - because physics, but I feel a decent amount of flex in my bike. It seems to mostly come from the rear axle and/or the wheels. I'm running LB 28mm ID carbon rims, so it could just be the wheel build. In practice, it doesn't seem to through me off line though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty904 View Post
    Why you max out at a 2.3" with boost spacing is beyond me.
    i guess it is one of the few poor design choices they made with this bike. and with some of their other bikes for that matter. i dont own ryve but owned mayhem for a season and from what i remember, the biggest i could run was 2.35, but it might depend on the tire. you will be most likely safe with any 2.3tire, it def would not fit 2.4.

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    I ran 2.35 ikons on mine with zero issues and plenty of clearance. Just make sure it doesn't rub at full bottom out.

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    Any bigger, heavier riders on the Ryve 115? I am 6'-2" and about 210-215 when geared up for a big event. I just sold my Large Intense Sniper to my buddy, as it felt a bit overwhelmed by me and my poor line choice when riding. Thinking a XL Ryve in Black.

    I emailed Spot to find out if a frame can be ordered with the new SIDLuxe Ultimate shock.

    Right now my short list to replace the Sniper is a Colorado battle between a Revel Ranger and the Ryve 115.

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    It's going to depend on where you live, what your trails are like, and how you ride them. The Ryve wouldn't be my first choice for poor line choice, especially if I weighed over 200 lbs. I don't doubt that it can take it, but the Mayhem would be my choice for that. The Ryve excels when you have excellent line choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    It's going to depend on where you live, what your trails are like, and how you ride them. The Ryve wouldn't be my first choice for poor line choice, especially if I weighed over 200 lbs. I don't doubt that it can take it, but the Mayhem would be my choice for that. The Ryve excels when you have excellent line choice.
    Live in Kansas City and we have old school single track here. Tight, twisty and rooty with punchy climbs and loose descents. Frequent trips down to NW Arkansas where it is a bit more flowy but the climbs are loose and frequent but not over long. Wanting an XC and Marathon event rig.

    Only been riding for 5 years and line choice is getting better, but I find that years of riding fat and plus tires made me a bit lazy. So not worried about needing to develop precision. Sorta like needing to ride SS to learn how to power up and over things. Having 12spd at your thumbs it gets too easy to just bail gears.

    I have a La Sal Peak for when a bigger hammer is needed or a Mullet Honeymaker for just hooning around.

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    Ordered a Spot Ryve XL on Monday, had it Wednesday and did first ride last night. I am finding the rear suspension very smooth for XC and lightly chunky terrain. Great traction. Very much an XC bike vs short travel trail.

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    Did Spot just raise their prices a ton? Seems like the 5 Star Ryve was ~$5,200 a month ago, now it's $6k! Am I imagining things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post
    Did Spot just raise their prices a ton? Seems like the 5 Star Ryve was ~$5,200 a month ago, now it's $6k! Am I imagining things?
    no, you are not. i asked Paul about this in another thread, not yet answered. being direct to consumer brand and having frames cost $300-400 more than other non DTC brand is just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavo View Post
    no, you are not. i asked Paul about this in another thread, not yet answered. being direct to consumer brand and having frames cost $300-400 more than other non DTC brand is just ridiculous.
    Well, that's a bummer. They must be watching their local new competition Revel sell out everything they've made with higher prices than Spot had dared ask for and decided they needed to be just as "premium" as the competition.

    We've now clearly got two tiers of direct sales emerging: budget mass market (Commencal, YT, Canyon, Fezzari) and boutique direct sales (Revel, Spot, ). Will be interesting to see if boutique can manage to maintain their high margins through marketing and design alone without local shop support once the initial exclusivity buzz wears off.

    People have gotten way more used to purchasing really expensive goods sight unseen over the internet in the last few years, this would have been crazy to think of even ten years ago.

    Guess a used Top Fuel will be in my future instead of a Ryve...

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    It looks like a Revel Ranger frame is still $2800 and frame + Sid Ultimate fork is $3500. That's a Sid Ultimate for only $300 when added to a Ranger frame compared to a Ryve frame only. Not sure where you're getting Revel higher prices from.

    That being said, I think covid is causing shipping and production costs to go up for all manufacturers. Evil just raised prices on Following frame and I'm sure we'll see similar moves from other manufacturers in near future. Doesn't seem like you can get any of these frames until October or later anyway so it seems like a good time to just go ride what you have and have fun with it.

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    Send them a message and ask if they are running any discounts. I was able to get $200 off my Ryve frame. The Ryve frame cost me $500 less than the Sniper frame I bought 18 months ago.

    So far I would put the quality of the Spot frame above the Intense and Fezzari frames I've purchased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TazMini View Post
    Send them a message and ask if they are running any discounts. I was able to get $200 off my Ryve frame. The Ryve frame cost me $500 less than the Sniper frame I bought 18 months ago.

    So far I would put the quality of the Spot frame above the Intense and Fezzari frames I've purchased.
    To be fair, the Spot Mayhem 130 frame only is $3199.
    The new Fezzari Delano Peak is $3499 with DVO suspension and Shimano SLX 12 Speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post
    Well, that's a bummer. They must be watching their local new competition Revel sell out everything they've made with higher prices than Spot had dared ask for and decided they needed to be just as "premium" as the competition.

    We've now clearly got two tiers of direct sales emerging: budget mass market (Commencal, YT, Canyon, Fezzari) and boutique direct sales (Revel, Spot, ). Will be interesting to see if boutique can manage to maintain their high margins through marketing and design alone without local shop support once the initial exclusivity buzz wears off.

    People have gotten way more used to purchasing really expensive goods sight unseen over the internet in the last few years, this would have been crazy to think of even ten years ago.

    Guess a used Top Fuel will be in my future instead of a Ryve...
    Friend of my mine just bought the top of the Line YT Izzo for $6000...which includes carbon frame, carbon cranks, carbon wheels, carbon handlebar, fox factory suspenson and AXS dropper and shifter.

    A similar set up from Spot is $8400!!! I'm not sure how one could justify spending the extra $2400 at Spot for a similar setup.

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    That was my point. YT sells a $3k version of the Izzo. Revel and Spot's lowest cost option for a complete bike is $5k.

    Revel and Spot's frames cost what YT & Canyon base models cost for full bikes. They don't have comparable parts, but it's the signaling factor that is key.

    Revel & Spot don't sell any full builds with SX or NX on them, they start at GX. They COULD sell SX or NX, but they choose not to so they can be classified as a high end brand.

    Mass market direct sales vs premium boutique direct sales. The latter is a new thing and still confusing to see, but there are enough high income people out there looking for something different than most people can afford to buy that it sure looks like you can start up a viable business in 2020 catering to that market segment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    Alright - here's a question. Would putting a 130mm fork on the 115 be a bad idea? I imagine it'd slacken the seat angle by a degree or so (along with the HT). But might help off set the low stack? I'm torn on this last part of the build. SC 34 120nn to keep it light, or regular 34 130mm for more squish.

    Any insights?
    Late to the party. I spoke w Spot today and they OK with a 130 fork. Said get the Fox 34 Grip 130. I am going to pull the trigger on a new Ryve (unless somebody can convince me otherwise....

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    Alright - here's a question. Would putting a 130mm fork on the 115 be a bad idea? I imagine it'd slacken the seat angle by a degree or so (along with the HT). But might help off set the low stack? I'm torn on this last part of the build. SC 34 120nn to keep it light, or regular 34 130mm for more squish.

    Any insights?
    I spoke w Paul at Spot. He said a Fox 34 Grip 130 would work.

    Me about to pull the trigger on a Ryve. Old (63) so not hitting the technical hard. Ride softly. Want to light climber but not with XC angles. My current daily ride is a light YETI ASR (travel 5" front/ 4" back) and I've deemed it a tad too twitchy.

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    I would guess that since Spot just received a big shipment of frames right in the middle of COVID that their landed costs just shot way up - hence the price hike. Intense's sales has been slowing down a bit and likely haven't had to incorporate their increased landed cost into the customer price model yet.
    I bet we'll see everyone's prices jump because of COVID - shipping has nearly doubled in most cases on the backside of the industry and LDP includes the hit on shipping among other costs that have also gone up in the past 6 mos. LDP is what is used to set retail price and since these are direct brands we're talking about, they can change their prices mid stream as there aren't any dealer agreements to honor.
    It's the cost of doing biz. I'd also bet none of these guys are getting much more margin than one another, nor are they getting rich selling bikes, whatever you might believe.
    If a bike is too spendy for you, don't buy it. If it's not, and you like it, do. Simple.

    I can prodeal a number of brands and I paid full pop for the Ryve 115 frame simply because it is rad. Life's way too short.

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    Couple follow up thoughts after another ride and some tweaks to my XL Ryve. I originally had a 40mm stem with about 20mm of spacers and that felt off... put a 50mm stem and lowered stem 15mm which put me more forward and lower than on the old Sniper, but damn it made the Ryve feel like a laser.

    Weight of my build is about 26.2lbs right now with pedal, cages, XC Cush core rear and 850g tires. Waiting on my eeWing cranks which which take it down to 26 even. That will be about 1.2lbs heavier an my L Sniper build which had all the same parts outside frame and fork. Most of my parts are as light as I can get and not break being a bigger guy.

    Thing is I can feel weight difference when picking up bike, but when riding it actually feels better, more planted than the Sniper. All the extra weight is around BB and linkage, so it feels like bike rotates around that mass.

    Loving the SID Ultimate 35. Some of the improvements over Sniper I think are due to this fork. Hopefully I won't have the loose bushing issue some are reporting.

    Been running fork and DPS shock at 25% sag and bike feels comfy. I had to run the old SC34 and Sniper at 30%+ to get same feel and traction.

    I have a SIDLuxe shock on bench to install. Not sure how this will work out. A bit worried the Live Link was tuned for a DPS and it's weak mid-stroke and the SIDLuxe shock will make for a bad mix. Only one way to find out.. Will report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post
    Mass market direct sales vs premium boutique direct sales. The latter is a new thing and still confusing to see, but there are enough high income people out there looking for something different than most people can afford to buy that it sure looks like you can start up a viable business in 2020 catering to that market segment.
    I don't think there is difference. I guarantee both Spot and Izzo are getting frames that are made in China or Taiwan. Being that both are offering bikes with similar components, I can't see a reason why the Spot Bike cost more.

    Maybe Paul from Spot would like to chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I don't think there is difference. I guarantee both Spot and Izzo are getting frames that are made in China or Taiwan. Being that both are offering bikes with similar components, I can't see a reason why the Spot Bike cost more.

    Maybe Paul from Spot would like to chime in?

    A GMC and Cadillac SUV are made in same plant, but don't get same price.

    Besides even if the same line is make both YT and Spot frames, I bet you there is a difference in layup and materials used or difference in labor to make the frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TazMini View Post
    A GMC and Cadillac SUV are made in same plant, but don't get same price.
    Of course not. The caddy has more bells and whistles than the GMC. You are paying for extra features that the GMC doesn't have. Under the hood...it's all the same engine and transmission. That's a poor comparison.

    Just like you will pay more for a car that power windows and air condition vs. one that doesn't.

    When looking at these bikes that both have carbon frames and the same or similar components...I don't see why the on AXS version of the Ryve that it's $2400 more than the Izzo with AXS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Of course not. The caddy has more bells and whistles than the GMC. You are paying for extra features that the GMC doesn't have. Under the hood...it's all the same engine and transmission. That's a poor comparison.

    Just like you will pay more for a car that power windows and air condition vs. one that doesn't.

    When looking at these bikes that both have carbon frames and the same or similar components...I don't see why the on AXS version of the Ryve that it's $2400 more than the Izzo with AXS.
    The Ryve has a frickin' hole in the BB area! That is a bell and a whistle my friend. See that Y brace to the seat tube? Special carbon overlay there to make it thin, yet strong. Is the Izzo rear triangle carbon? Are the linkages carbon?

    Not saying YT is poorer quality. Just looks much simpler design and therefore cheaper to make. Probably also make more of the frames so lower cost per frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Of course not. The caddy has more bells and whistles than the GMC. You are paying for extra features that the GMC doesn't have. Under the hood...it's all the same engine and transmission. That's a poor comparison.

    Just like you will pay more for a car that power windows and air condition vs. one that doesn't.

    When looking at these bikes that both have carbon frames and the same or similar components...I don't see why the on AXS version of the Ryve that it's $2400 more than the Izzo with AXS.
    You do understand that saying they both have carbon frames is like saying two frames are made out of metal so they are the same.
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    Of course there are some unknowns with the carbon frame. Enough to justify a $2400 cost difference between two similar equipped bikes? I don't know. I often like to keep more dollars in my pocket.

    Compare for yourself. $5999 vs. $8399??

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Of course there are some unknowns with the carbon frame. Enough to justify a $2400 cost difference between two similar equipped bikes? I don't know. I often like to keep more dollars in my pocket.

    Compare for yourself. $5999 vs. $8399??

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    i was just looking at ripmo v4 frame ($2,833) vs mayhem130 ($3,199)
    thats almost $400 difference, and yet, Ibis is non direct to consumer brand that makes top notch bikes. Paul said in another thread that the higher prices are due to transportation cost and tariffs. so i am wondering, do these costs just affect Spot and not other brands? come on guys, cut the bs.

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    Spot raised their prices up $400 last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavo View Post
    i was just looking at ripmo v4 frame ($2,833) vs mayhem130 ($3,199)
    thats almost $400 difference, and yet, Ibis is non direct to consumer brand that makes top notch bikes. Paul said in another thread that the higher prices are due to transportation cost and tariffs. so i am wondering, do these costs just affect Spot and not other brands? come on guys, cut the bs.
    That's just it. It would be seen across the bike industry and that's just not happening.

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    Like I said, you guys are going to see pricing increase. Direct brands first, based on their product shipping flow, then WS brands - they are stuck with MSRP dealer agreements for this model year so can't change the prices even if they're getting killed by mid-year shipping and LDP costs. But next year, there will be a bump.
    I know for a fact that Spot just received a big shipment a couple months ago (since my bike was a part of that shipment) and what happened immediately after that shipment hit port? Price change.

    Just wait - other brands will follow suit as will WS brands. Those that try to buy there place in the market by sacrificing margin, are going to suffer in the long run since there isn't enough volume to make up for the margin loss. These are timeworn principles of business, unfortunately.

    In other news, I haven't been riding the Spot much the past month because it's just been too hot (instead, been out on the Hakka finding shady gravel rides). But took it out the other morning and thanked myself for buying this bike.

    It simply shreds.

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    [QUOTE=frytown;14898293]Like I said, you guys are going to see pricing increase. Direct brands first, based on their product shipping flow, then WS brands - they are stuck with MSRP dealer agreements for this model year so can't change the prices even if they're getting killed by mid-year shipping and LDP costs. But next year, there will be a bump.
    I know for a fact that Spot just received a big shipment a couple months ago (since my bike was a part of that shipment) and what happened immediately after that shipment hit port? Price change.

    Just wait - other brands will follow suit as will WS brands. Those that try to buy there place in the market by sacrificing margin, are going to suffer in the long run since there isn't enough volume to make up for the margin loss. These are timeworn principles of business, unfortunately.

    In other news, I haven't been riding the Spot much the past month because it's just been too hot (instead, been out on the Hakka finding shady gravel rides). But took it out the other morning and thanked myself for buying this bike.

    It simply shreds.[/QUOTE

    Life is short (as you mentioned). Thank you for that as it does put things into perspective and is motivational in terms of making a purchase. Spot's price increase now makes non-consumer direct companies look more attractive since they have yet to increase their prices. A Revel Ranger or a Transition Spur now look pretty good compared to a Ryve 115. I wonder if we will truly see pricing increases from them any time soon. A Ryve is available soon, however, while the Spur and Ranger are a ways out.

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    Ok, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You do understand that saying they both have carbon frames is like saying two frames are made out of metal so they are the same.
    True, but the consumer has no way of evaluating the construction of a carbon fiber frame before purchase. All we can do is look at external visible characteristics.

    So, for all intents-and-purposes, the two CF frames should be considered identical except for feature content (suspension type, cable routing, etc.).

    This is the trap “boutique” bike frame manufacturers fell into when domestic, bespoke manufacturing was abandoned in favor of Asian cost effectiveness. As far as I can evaluate, a low cost fezzari or canyon frame is just as good as a spot or revel frame, etc. Maybe I decide there’s a difference in suspension I want to pay more for, but the construction and fiber layup must be considered the same.
    whatever...

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    I love watching these value / cost / branding conversations play out. As someone who also runs a business where we have to decide how much to charge, how to prove our value to customers, how to differentiate ourselves in the marketplace so we are not a commodity and subject to the ruthless pricing commodities get purchased by, this is a microcosm of the same conversation.

    We can see the various consumer types speaking up here. Cost driven buyers who believe Taiwan carbon frames are commodities and interchangeable, and value driven buyers who can see differentiation between products and are willing to pay for something they perceive as better.

    From personal experience it’s not hard to pick out the subtleties that a company like Spot will have to nail to succeed as a premium brand and steal customers away from a YT. Great personal service (someone picks up the phone and talks you through your questions, fast email response, etc), excellent shipping and packaging, maybe even service replacement bikes if you have to send yours in for repair so you aren’t without a bike for weeks.

    High margins are needed to be able to provide high service. Excellent service costs a lot to provide, but if you do it right you’ll have happy customers who will gladly pay more for your products. And a huge stack of people who will never want anything to do with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post
    From personal experience it’s not hard to pick out the subtleties that a company like Spot will have to nail to succeed as a premium brand and steal customers away from a YT. Great personal service (someone picks up the phone and talks you through your questions, fast email response, etc), excellent shipping and packaging, maybe even service replacement bikes if you have to send yours in for repair so you aren’t without a bike for weeks.

    High margins are needed to be able to provide high service. Excellent service costs a lot to provide, but if you do it right you’ll have happy customers who will gladly pay more for your products. And a huge stack of people who will never want anything to do with you...
    these are all the reasons i have been riding Ibis bikes for past 15 years (with one 6 month exception). top suspension, design and customer service, excellent bikes all in all. seems like some companies can do all that and more without excessively rising their prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post

    We can see the various consumer types speaking up here. Cost driven buyers who believe Taiwan carbon frames are commodities and interchangeable,

    From personal experience it’s not hard to pick out the subtleties that a company like Spot will have to nail to succeed as a premium brand and steal customers away from a YT. Great personal service (someone picks up the phone and talks you through your questions, fast email response, etc), excellent shipping and packaging, maybe even service replacement bikes if you have to send yours in for repair so you aren’t without a bike for weeks.
    Problem with this justification is: these small boutique companies come-and-go within a few years, or the “brand” is sold to Pacific or some other holding company. Just because they have good C/S when you buy the bike doesn’t mean it’s there 3-4 years down the road. If customer service is the best justification for the price, then consumer is definitely better off with a mass-produced brand sold in a bike shop.

    Source: owner of a couple Turner frames, and former owner of a couple Titus frames.
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    Problem with this justification is: these small boutique companies come-and-go within a few years, or the “brand” is sold to Pacific or some other holding company. Just because they have good C/S when you buy the bike doesn’t mean it’s there 3-4 years down the road. If customer service is the best justification for the price, then consumer is definitely better off with a mass-produced brand sold in a bike shop.

    Source: owner of a couple Turner frames, and former owner of a couple Titus frames.
    Dunno, I've almost continually owned one Spot bike or another for a decade. I'm pretty sure they've been around a wee bit longer than that.

    All these arguments are a load of [email protected] though. If you buy a bike you can afford and it makes you happy, it was worth it. If you hate it, or catch a CS guy on a bad day and feel like they crapped in your oatmeal, it wasn't. If the less expensive (because none of them are cheap) bike falls apart on you I doubt you'll be saying, "Oh well, it was only $4k." If it doesn't, you can laugh to yourself at all the suckers who spent too much, except they won't care because they won't feel like they spent too much unless their bike falls apart on them. Same same.

    It's not a perfect world. Every business charges what it thinks it reasonable and most likely it's not about you. They aren't trying to rip you off. They're all trying to survive, even the volume brands - which may have a different business model but are just as susceptible to a changing market. If you think a brand's not worth it, vote your values with your wallet. Either way, you pay your monies and take your chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    Problem with this justification is: these small boutique companies come-and-go within a few years, or the “brand” is sold to Pacific or some other holding company. Just because they have good C/S when you buy the bike doesn’t mean it’s there 3-4 years down the road. If customer service is the best justification for the price, then consumer is definitely better off with a mass-produced brand sold in a bike shop.

    Source: owner of a couple Turner frames, and former owner of a couple Titus frames.
    This is where Ibis is the great example. Small boutique manufacturer has steady success, sells to venture capital and goes bankrupt, returns with small focused ownership team and steadily executes for 15 years. Grows from small boutique to mid-sized company but keeps elite reputation through relationships with bike shops, great design, taking care of fans, and solid service execution.

    Total success story from decades of hard work, very hard to pull off or a lot more companies would manage it. Hope Spot can pull off the same, the industry needs more like Ibis and fewer flame outs. Cutting out bike shops is the big wild card risk to not following the Ibis model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mdlman View Post
    This is where Ibis is the great example. Small boutique manufacturer has steady success, sells to venture capital and goes bankrupt, returns with small focused ownership team and steadily executes for 15 years. Grows from small boutique to mid-sized company but keeps elite reputation through relationships with bike shops, great design, taking care of fans, and solid service execution.

    Total success story from decades of hard work, very hard to pull off or a lot more companies would manage it. Hope Spot can pull off the same, the industry needs more like Ibis and fewer flame outs. Cutting out bike shops is the big wild card risk to not following the Ibis model.
    Ok, I’ll give you Ibis.

    Problem is for the consumer to pick out the Ibis 5 years in advance. For every Ibis, there’s multiple Titus’, Turners, Ellsworths, Intenses, etc.

    I mean, if you want something unique, go for that unusual brand bike. I’m just saying it’s an emotional decision, not a strictly rational one.
    whatever...

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    Watching Pinkbike's field tests with similar class of bikes, I still like the Ryve 115. The Specialized Epic Evo, Revel Ranger, and Transition Spur all appear (based on reviews) to be great bikes for the 120mm (ish) travel class. The Spur likely descends better than the Ryve, but does not climb as well. Can any Ryve 115 riders out there give a more detailed review of its descending capabilities? All the reviews exalt the virtues of the Ryve 115's climbing capabilities, but nobody really touches on how the Ryve does on a long descent. What are the weaknesses of this bike?

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    It's a fantastic descender. It's not a plow bike but it handled chunk better than any 115 bike should. See my review under Dusty Betty's YouTube channel. I talk about the descending quite a bit I also have a video where I rode a 60 mile day on it in Phoenix, AZ and it did extremely well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoodword View Post
    Watching Pinkbike's field tests with similar class of bikes, I still like the Ryve 115. The Specialized Epic Evo, Revel Ranger, and Transition Spur all appear (based on reviews) to be great bikes for the 120mm (ish) travel class. The Spur likely descends better than the Ryve, but does not climb as well. Can any Ryve 115 riders out there give a more detailed review of its descending capabilities? All the reviews exalt the virtues of the Ryve 115's climbing capabilities, but nobody really touches on how the Ryve does on a long descent. What are the weaknesses of this bike?
    For what it is, it descends really well. Not a hover bike, nor will I ever say "damn it seems like it has more travel than it says". But it has always been predictable and in control no mater the 'chunk'. Even when the rear suspension starts to struggle a bit to keep up with fast repeated hits, it never gets to an 'oh shit' point. I love how the bike is always ready to take pedal input and turn it into more speed even when in a rock garden.

    Now I am running a SID Ultimate 35 up front and I think it helps. Never been impressed with the 34SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TazMini View Post

    Now I am running a SID Ultimate 35 up front and I think it helps. Never been impressed with the 34SC.
    Can you give more feedback on the Sid, maybe a new thread. Not a 34sc fan myself and would love feedback on the 35mm Sid.
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    For you guys on the Ryve, how would you describe the suspension while descending?

    I imagine the Spur, Hei Hei, and Epic Evo all have that cloud-like cushy feel (that trad Horst-type feel). While the Mayhem was described as “efficient”...which can also an a it harsh (people complained about getting hung up on square edge hits. Imagine the Ryve has similar traits to its big brother.

    I guess what I’m asking: will the Ryve beat you up a bit more over a 6hr or multi day effort compared to a more “plush” feeling bike (even though they’re all around 115-120 travel bikes)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I guess what I’m asking: will the Ryve beat you up a bit more over a 6hr or multi day effort compared to a more “plush” feeling bike (even though they’re all around 115-120 travel bikes)?
    Depends on the effort, it has to be pretty chunky and square. But I would say yes you would notice the tech more on the Ryve, but I would counter that the efficiency gained on the smooth and climbs offsets that.

    Interestingly I just rode a local trail that always makes me feel like I was in a bar fight the next day. On the Ryve I 'noticed' the tech more, but oddly was less sore the following day. Maybe because I was forced into better riding position due to the more active handling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Can you give more feedback on the Sid, maybe a new thread. Not a 34sc fan myself and would love feedback on the 35mm Sid.
    Sort version; a bit stiffer (especially with torque caps), actual small bump compliance, rides high so never felt like I was brake diving even with a more aggressive XC position and yet to bottom out.

    That said, there seems to have been a bad production run with bushings rattling. Have not had that yet, but I bought direct vs OEM spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    It's a fantastic descender. It's not a plow bike but it handled chunk better than any 115 bike should. See my review under Dusty Betty's YouTube channel. I talk about the descending quite a bit I also have a video where I rode a 60 mile day on it in Phoenix, AZ and it did extremely well.
    Your Dusty Betty video was great and one of the reasons I was drawn to this forum thread. I watched the video again and even some of your Black Canyon Trail. Around my part of the world, the descents are substantially longer than what your videos show, so Ryve 115 handling on long descents is my lingering question. In my part of the world, the trails have long climbs followed by long descents. A Ryve 115 on the climb sounds ideal while a Transition Spur sounds ideal on the descent. Some have said an Epic Evo is a better all-around bike. There are a lot of flavors out there.

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    I'd say it might depend on the fork. I put the 34 SC on mine, which now I sort of regret since it's so difficult to set up right. But the rear end, while active and high-riding in it's travel, feels amazing. Sure it climbs crazy well (better often when in fully open mode), but it really descends well too. On the sharp, ledgy stuff we have here in the Wasatch, it sails and I never feel hammered after a 3 hour ride (of course I didn't on my Following either!). It's really pretty amazing. It doesn't feel like a 4 bar for sure - the best way I can describe it is maybe 'damp' on the way down? No chatter, no noise, good on chunky door stops and baby heads. Never ramps up like the stupid 34 SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    I'd say it might depend on the fork. I put the 34 SC on mine, which now I sort of regret since it's so difficult to set up right. But the rear end, while active and high-riding in it's travel, feels amazing. Sure it climbs crazy well (better often when in fully open mode), but it really descends well too. On the sharp, ledgy stuff we have here in the Wasatch, it sails and I never feel hammered after a 3 hour ride (of course I didn't on my Following either!). It's really pretty amazing. It doesn't feel like a 4 bar for sure - the best way I can describe it is maybe 'damp' on the way down? No chatter, no noise, good on chunky door stops and baby heads. Never ramps up like the stupid 34 SC.
    I would agree with this. I keep wanting to say the rear dampens things, but people tend to take that as a negative. Maybe it 'turns down the volume of the tech' would be better?

    All I know is I am clicking with the bike unlike any other bike I've built. Everyone is like "what's the secret sauce!? You are flying!" and all I can think of is I actually have a well built, well tuned and setup bike for the first time lol. I am a fairly nervous rider and this bike has me calm and pushing things harder than I have on the Fezzari La Sal. Hoping this confidence carries over to the enduro setup.

    I pre-ordered a Revel Ranger and will be cancelling that order as I can't see finding a better fitting XC bike for how and where I do events.

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    Torn between Ryve and Mayhem 130 here. Northeast rider. Mayham that much heavier than the Ryve? Only concern is tire width. Prefer slightly wider if possible, north east riding very different than western riding especially the dirt. Can get sketchy here. If mayhem is only 2-3 lbs heavier thinking my go with extra squish and stability especially when entering rock gardens here and tech downhills thanks for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    Torn between Ryve and Mayhem 130 here. Northeast rider. Mayham that much heavier than the Ryve? Only concern is tire width. Prefer slightly wider if possible, north east riding very different than western riding especially the dirt. Can get sketchy here. If mayhem is only 2-3 lbs heavier thinking my go with extra squish and stability especially when entering rock gardens here and tech downhills thanks for your time.
    Do you have any other trail or enduro bike? If not I would go Mayhem if I had to have just 1 FS bike. Love my Ryve, but for the really janky face punch tech we have in some places, I prefer my slacker and longer bike. More margin for error. The Ryve is capable of doing it, just asks too much of the rider lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    Torn between Ryve and Mayhem 130 here. Northeast rider. Mayham that much heavier than the Ryve? Only concern is tire width. Prefer slightly wider if possible, north east riding very different than western riding especially the dirt. Can get sketchy here. If mayhem is only 2-3 lbs heavier thinking my go with extra squish and stability especially when entering rock gardens here and tech downhills thanks for your time.
    Get the EVO- its a game changer.

    Since you're here trolling this one does it mean you're done on the Ranger thread?
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    Thanks Tazmini. Ignore two tone. Leaning towards Mayhem. Signed on for BC Bike Race next year, Ryve is probably a really fast ride and no issues but long term thinking I'd get more out of the Mayhem over time. Seems to open a lot more doors depending on where I'm riding. Configuring build now w full AXS, but dunno. Lighter is better, want the bike to work with me not against me here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Get the EVO- its a game changer.

    Since you're here trolling this one does it mean you're done on the Ranger thread?
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TwoTone again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    Thanks Tazmini. Ignore two tone. Leaning towards Mayhem. Signed on for BC Bike Race next year, Ryve is probably a really fast ride and no issues but long term thinking I'd get more out of the Mayhem over time. Seems to open a lot more doors depending on where I'm riding. Configuring build now w full AXS, but dunno. Lighter is better, want the bike to work with me not against me here.
    How heavy are you? I think it is better to look at it as relative weight compared to rider. If a smaller person, then yeah the lighter bike might have more merit, but again a couple pounds lower on frame can actually make for a better ride. The Ryve is about 2lbs heavier (26.2 XL with pedals) than my Sniper build (which was a L). Moved all the stuff over but frame and fork. I notice the weight but not when/where you would think. It is centered around BB and is actually making for a more predictable ride in rough stuff and climbing the weight hasn't been noticeable.

    I have AXS stuff on another bike and it has been solid. The AXS dropper is heavy, but has been flawless. I actually prefer the Shimano XT/XTR 12spd for the better gear ratios and shifting underload. I have the m630 wheels on Ryve and have beat them good and no issues.

    Oh and I would do a Pike up front. I have been a Fox fan boy for years, but the latest gen RS stuff has won me over for small bump compliance and easy of dialing in. I was always fiddling with my Fox forks and never happy. My Pike and SID 35 have been perfect from initial setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    Thanks Tazmini. Ignore two tone. Leaning towards Mayhem. Signed on for BC Bike Race next year, Ryve is probably a really fast ride and no issues but long term thinking I'd get more out of the Mayhem over time. Seems to open a lot more doors depending on where I'm riding. Configuring build now w full AXS, but dunno. Lighter is better, want the bike to work with me not against me here.
    I don't understand why you need to ask on a forum about the bikes?

    You had very strong opinions on the Ranger vs. EVO without riding either one, just one PB article and you became an expert on them both.

    Do a little reading and you'll be experts on these as well.

    Here let me help, this is all you should need:
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/spot-mayhem-review.html
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...ve-115-29.html
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    PB review was back in 2018 on the mayhem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    PB review was back in 2018 on the mayhem...
    No worries, reading it will still make you an expert on the Mayhem.
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    Hardtail party - I don't mean to change bike subjects here but good place to find you. Gun to your head - new Spot Rocker geared or Yeti ARC?

    The 27-ish HTA is fine for me is SE Wisconsin, but do have some rock chatter, roots, and small ups and downs.

    Thanks!

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    New Ryve!

    I just picked up a new Ryve 2 weeks ago. I’d been looking at FS bikes for about a year and a half having ridden hard tails since I got into MTB’s forever ago. After recovering from TKR on both knees over the winter it was time to pull the plug. For the trails I ride here on Colorado it’s the right bike for me. Got the black 6 Star AXS build and wake up every day thinking about the next time I can get out on it. Spot Brand - New Ryve 115 and 100-6a4d8bfd-6357-47a1-af64-0b3d91574bd4.jpgSpot Brand - New Ryve 115 and 100-9e2cd3c1-b270-4dbe-a432-c75f3ccec2f4.jpgSpot Brand - New Ryve 115 and 100-f9ce9da4-d90a-489a-ac01-59f10efb6c98.jpg
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    Another update on the Ryve.
    Just got back from my inaugural ride with a 130mm Pike on my medium Ryve 115. I really should've listened to my gut when building up the bike. The 34 SC was just plain disappointing and perhaps ill suited to the bike - so fickle, so inconsistent. Set up for suppleness and it'd blow through its travel. Set up to keep from bottoming out, it became harsh and inconsistent. I'd tried anything from 1-3 tokens and just couldn't get it to work well. I was phenomenal in the pedal mode, but fully open it was an atrocity. Maybe I'll put it on my hardtail and keep it in pedal mode.

    Enter: Pike.
    I was reluctant to move to 130mm for fear of throwing off the geo. Fears allayed - the bike rides approximately 1000% better. The Pike stays way higher in its travel and is more supple off the top - somehow the geo stays consistent and I don't feel like the fork gets squirrely during compression the way it did with the 34SC. Since the rear suspension stays high in its travel as well the whole bike sort of comes together with the Pike 130. Wish I'd have gone with this from the start.

    The Ryve deserves a great fork and the Fox just isn't a great fork. (my opinion - not looking to start a conversation about forks - this is my 3rd Fox fork in 14 yrs and all of them have been disappointing.).

    For anyone who might have been wondering, it's all upside moving to a 130 Pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    Another update on the Ryve.
    Just got back from my inaugural ride with a 130mm Pike on my medium Ryve 115.

    For anyone who might have been wondering, it's all upside moving to a 130 Pike.
    FWIW, I had same experience with my 34SC and went with the new SID 35. It is basically a 120 Pike Lite. Similar high riding behavior which I think really improves how the Ryve handles. Spot would do well to spec the bike with a SID moving forward. I actually just got a ZEB to go on the ordered Mayhem 150. Was a FOX guy before, but the latest RockShox stuff has me switching at least my forks over to them. Tried a SIDLuxe shock on the Ryve, but needs a special tune to work with Living Link and that isn't possible as of now.
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    Nice

    Nice looking bike. Ordered the mayhem 130...waiting.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TazMini View Post
    FWIW, I had same experience with my 34SC and went with the new SID 35. It is basically a 120 Pike Lite. Similar high riding behavior which I think really improves how the Ryve handles. Spot would do well to spec the bike with a SID moving forward. I actually just got a ZEB to go on the ordered Mayhem 150. Was a FOX guy before, but the latest RockShox stuff has me switching at least my forks over to them. Tried a SIDLuxe shock on the Ryve, but needs a special tune to work with Living Link and that isn't possible as of now.
    I really thought about going to the new SID - but I was reluctant to try something new (since my experience with the 34SC was a bummer. For whatever reason I trust the bike industry less than I used to). I've had several Pike's over the years so I just went with what I knew/trust. So stoked on the new Pike. The high-riding nature of it simply rules. Today I didn't miss having the pedal/lockout function. Maybe I will on the next long fire road climb? Today was 18 mi of rock single track and the Pike smoked it!

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    FWIW my bitching and moaning about the 34SC may have something to do with my weight (155lbs). Some products seem like they're built to perform best for someone 25lbs heavier than me. I find this with motorcycles a lot as well, so maybe the same with Fox?

    I know tons of folks who swear by Fox so it's all good. For me, just not super rad. My wife's Judy is more supple than my SC34, I swear.

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    Just got a new spot ryve 115. WTF with the rear brake mount

    Complete garbage design. Hard to tighten caliper mount bolts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    Complete garbage design. Hard to tighten caliper mount bolts.
    Because caliper bolts make or brake the bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    Complete garbage design. Hard to tighten caliper mount bolts.
    As I don't own one, not saying you're not correct...but mostly I'm just confused as I've never heard this complaint before. Can you explain a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    As I don't own one, not saying you're not correct...but mostly I'm just confused as I've never heard this complaint before. Can you explain a bit?
    It floats and uses thru axle as part of bracket. Really a PITA to use a normal hex allen wrench. Need a long T handle or similar


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    Quote Originally Posted by frytown View Post
    FWIW my bitching and moaning about the 34SC may have something to do with my weight (155lbs). Some products seem like they're built to perform best for someone 25lbs heavier than me. I find this with motorcycles a lot as well, so maybe the same with Fox?

    I know tons of folks who swear by Fox so it's all good. For me, just not super rad. My wife's Judy is more supple than my SC34, I swear.
    Really interesting to hear you say this - I am 130lbs and had the complete opposite experience... Granted this was NOT on a Ryve, but there was nothing I could do to get the Pike feeling right, and found lots of other lightweight riders with similar complaints about the over-damped Pike. I ended up switching to the Fox 34 (not SC), and it was a game changer for me. Maybe at 155 you are heavy enough for the Pike to work, but for anyone around 130lbs or less I would highly recommend Fox over RS.

    FWIW both forks were 140mm so SC was not an option. Definitely intrigued by the SID Ultimate as an alternative to the 34 SC for short travel bikes though. I am hoping with the smaller damper it is more suitable for us flyweights

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    As I don't own one, not saying you're not correct...but mostly I'm just confused as I've never heard this complaint before. Can you explain a bit?

    I said this both on this thread and on Spot's review page. its a minor annoyance. FWIW, the new Shimano derailleurs have the cable pinch bolt in a weird place too, but no one is saying its a crappy system

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    Quote Originally Posted by TazMini View Post
    It floats and uses thru axle as part of bracket. Really a PITA to use a normal hex allen wrench. Need a long T handle or similar


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    Most people that work on bikes have T handle Allen.

    Not a big deal.

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