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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Nice ride. What are you replacing the Mayhem with?
    Found a deal I couldn't pass up on a Ripmo. Have very mixed feelings about selling the Mayhem. I have loved this bike, but have also found myself venturing into burlier terrain where the extra travel would be kinder on my body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubya007 View Post
    Yes, I do (5 Star, Matte Black, XL), and I love it! I wanted a bike that would feel right at home on our trails, (it had to be agile, fast, efficient, poppy, a super-climber, handle chunk well, etc.), but would also travel well and would give me "more bike" when needed and when exploring other regions' trails. The Mayhem gave me a big YES to all that I was asking for! It's nice to look at too...
    If this was was large or medium I'd probably like to meet up with you for a trial run. XL will be too large for me at 5'8"

    Glad you like it for the WI trail systems. Which systems you usually ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    If this was was large or medium I'd probably like to meet up with you for a trial run. XL will be too large for me at 5'8"

    Glad you like it for the WI trail systems. Which systems you usually ride?
    I also have a XL mayhem and ride northern IL/ South East WI trails 80% of the time. It's probably overkill in terms of travel, but I don't care and have a ton of fun on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    Found a deal I couldn't pass up on a Ripmo. Have very mixed feelings about selling the Mayhem. I have loved this bike, but have also found myself venturing into burlier terrain where the extra travel would be kinder on my body.
    What's your take on the Mayhem vs Ripmo so far? Climbing, downhill and poppy feel? I'm currently on a Ripmo and like it a lot - just wondering if the Mayhem is any lighter / poppier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronner View Post
    What's your take on the Mayhem vs Ripmo so far? Climbing, downhill and poppy feel? I'm currently on a Ripmo and like it a lot - just wondering if the Mayhem is any lighter / poppier?
    Same hear. I am looking into a Ripmo, but had considered a Mayhem also. Since I have XC bikes already I don't need a 1 bike solution and have leaned Ripmo for the chunk.
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    Only have around 150 miles on the Ripmo, just getting it dialed in so you'll have to take this with a grain of salt.
    Both bikes are pretty damn amazing. The Ripmo is actually a little lighter than the Mayhem with the same build kit. I'd say the Mayhem has a firmer, poppier feel overall. The Ripmo is more plush and complaint by comparison, but not soft and squishy. Climbing wise, the Mayhem has a more efficient feel, especially on smother trails. The Ripmo seems to generate a little more traction when things get loose. Overall the Ripmo feels like a bigger bike (and it is) than the Mayhem. I had a OG Ripley (and quite a few miles on a v3 Ripley) before I bought the Spot. I think the Mayhem slots pretty nicely between the Ripley and the Ripmo. Definitely more capable than the Ripley, but think the Ripmo has the edge when ridding bigger terrain more aggressively. One thing I do miss on the Mayhem is the higher bb. I've had more pedals strikes than I would expect on Ripmo so far. Have needed to adjust my technique a bit to compensate.

    Once I get more time on the Ibis I'll do a more comprehensive review.

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    Great explanation. The mayhem has a more antisquat than a ripmo. So it'll be more supportive, more efficient, and snappier on the climbs and sprints. But more antisquat typically means a little less traction than something like a ripmo. So the ripmo will track the ground better and have more traction on the climbs than a mayhem. Both fantastic bikes with slightly different riding characteristics. Some people like a stiff pedalling platform (me) and some people like maximum wheel-hugging traction on the climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    Only have around 150 miles on the Ripmo, just getting it dialed in so you'll have to take this with a grain of salt.
    Both bikes are pretty damn amazing. The Ripmo is actually a little lighter than the Mayhem with the same build kit. I'd say the Mayhem has a firmer, poppier feel overall. The Ripmo is more plush and complaint by comparison, but not soft and squishy. Climbing wise, the Mayhem has a more efficient feel, especially on smother trails. The Ripmo seems to generate a little more traction when things get loose. Overall the Ripmo feels like a bigger bike (and it is) than the Mayhem. I had a OG Ripley (and quite a few miles on a v3 Ripley) before I bought the Spot. I think the Mayhem slots pretty nicely between the Ripley and the Ripmo. Definitely more capable than the Ripley, but think the Ripmo has the edge when ridding bigger terrain more aggressively. One thing I do miss on the Mayhem is the higher bb. I've had more pedals strikes than I would expect on Ripmo so far. Have needed to adjust my technique a bit to compensate.

    Once I get more time on the Ibis I'll do a more comprehensive review.
    Coming from a Mayhem last year to (mostly) a Ripmo this year, these are my thoughts exactly. I'll add this: for longer rides where I'm climbing a bunch, I miss riding the Mayhem and the overall efficiency of the bike. On everything else, the Ripmo is an awesome bike and essentially feels like a more plush Mayhem.

    To me, the Mayhem is the perfect do-it-all bike and is my choice for a one-bike quiver. That said, if you've got multiple bikes then it's hard to go wrong with a setup like a hardtail or an XC'ish 29er to pair alongside the Ripmo.

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    rode mayhem 29 for about a season (june-may), had my friends ripmo for about 3 weeks while he was out of states, now on ripley v4. take with grain of salt as i have ridden and loved the feel of dw link bikes (ibis in particular) for past 10 years. last year i was trying to get into 29er realm and was looking for ripmo, but unavailability and discovery of mayhem steered me towards mayhem. i pretty much agree with other two observations, i liked how efficient and poppy the bike was, especially on smooth trails. i cant say i loved it on technical climbs or descends, which i thought it was a 29er novelty at that time. then i demoed ripmo and immediately realized why i love dw-link bikes. the suspension feel really suits my riding, it is still very efficient but also very compliant. but after i rode my firends ripmo for a while i began to realize it might be too much bike for what i really was looking for, especially since i had, and still have, hd3. i decided to wait and when ripley v4 was released i pulled the trigger. this bike ended up being perfect fit for me, while not as capable as ripmo downhill, it is still very very capable, would put it ahead of mayhem for sure (even though it has 10mm less travel), probably thanks to the suspension feel. very very efficient climber and climbs tech like no other bike i had or demoed before.

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    I'll chime in with my experience. Ive been on a Mayhem for about 2 yrs now. I came off of a mojo3 which i didnt like. Im not a fan of the ibis tune. I felt the my mayhem with a 140mm pike was great for all around trail riding. I ran it 27.5+ first before going to 29. I love how efficient it is. It just moves when you put the power down. Its also super stiff and does rather well in tech and downhills. There maybe other bikes that climb up tech a bit better.

    On the other side, i now have a La Sal Peak. Its not a ripmo but its similar in that its a long travel 29er with a steep seat angle. The la sal is the most fun bike ive ridden. It climbs amazingly well and descends just as well. The faster you go the better. The Mayhem is more my keep the power down and speed up as i ride through all kinds of stuff bike.

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    Thanks dmo, Cavo, hardtack party, snmokan, Ripn (i think i got everyone who recently responded) for your feedback and comparisons.

    It has proven helpful to me for sure.

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    Still have a small black Mayhem frame available for sale.

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    Just received this email from Spot. For those on the fence about a Mayhem, this might help you finally pull the trigger (ex. $500 off 5 Star build).

    {{To celebrate America's birth, we're putting Rollik 150s, Mayhem 130s, & Rockers all on sale! On top of the discount, we'd like to offer you a special coupon code for joining our email list. Use code FREEDOM200 at checkout for an additional $200 off your order (expires July 17th).}}

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    Anyone spend time on both a Mayhem and a Rhyve? My Mayhem is my do everything bike except for xc racing. Is the Rhyve somilar to the Mayhem in stiffness and efficiency? The Mayhem is a great do it all bike but at close to 30lb i can feel the weight on long rides. Anyone riddennthe Rhyve, 100 or 155, and can compare. I have a Fox 34sc 120mm from another bike that I would pair with the Rhyve. Id love to hear from people who have one.

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    Don't think are are too many Ryve's in the wild yet. Im betting a short travel living link bike would be a rocket. If I was shopping for an XC bike, it would be on my short list for sure.

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    Of those with the 36 and DPX2 140mm what do you think of it? Can any of you give a comparison to the 34 or DPS? I got my Mayhem with the 140 Factory 34 and Factory DPS, but as my riding has evolved to some gnarlier terrain and enduro style I'm considering upgrading. I don't necessarily want another bike, I like the versatility of the Mayhem, but I wonder if the Living Link creates a problem with small bump compliance or maybe I don't have my shock set to the correct PSI or rebound (or need the DPX2). Also, I'm around 140-145 lbs. so I don't think I necessary need a long travel bike (I'm not doing DH, just some enduros and rocky stuff with steep decents).

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennythevamp View Post
    Of those with the 36 and DPX2 140mm what do you think of it? Can any of you give a comparison to the 34 or DPS? I got my Mayhem with the 140 Factory 34 and Factory DPS, but as my riding has evolved to some gnarlier terrain and enduro style I'm considering upgrading. I don't necessarily want another bike, I like the versatility of the Mayhem, but I wonder if the Living Link creates a problem with small bump compliance or maybe I don't have my shock set to the correct PSI or rebound (or need the DPX2). Also, I'm around 140-145 lbs. so I don't think I necessary need a long travel bike (I'm not doing DH, just some enduros and rocky stuff with steep decents).

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    The DPX2 is better than the stock DPS. It seems to help with the mid stroke chatter issues. However, have Avalanche tune your stock DPS. They can do more with it than the DPX2 is capable of with the end result being much better.

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    For "enduro" style riding/racing on rocky and gnarly terrain, I'd go with the DPX2 as it definitely helps make the bike more plush and compliant. That said, I personally preferred the DPS on the Mayhem as I thought it made the bike more lively and playful, and I liked the climbing platform. The DPX2 made the bike feel a bit more dead/damp to me, but that was more specific to the type of riding I do (all over Colorado and the west).

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    I have a Mayhem and now the Ryve 115 6 star build (XTR). Sounds like you are in the same boat I was, Mayhem is such a great do it all bike (mines 150/130), but I was missing a small bike for just racking up miles on big days and fast local single track rides with my xc buddies. Been very happy with my Ryve so far for this purpose, definitely is very stiff and efficient like the Mayhem, as usual been trying to find the balance on the rear end between the firmness (harshness?) and compliance that I had to find on the Mayhem as well, but the slacker geometry w/ 120mm fork leads this bike to being a ton of fun on the downhill sections too. I do wonder about a bit of overlap or differentiation between bikes though right now, if I was only XC racing or depending on your local terrain the Ryve 100 with the Mayhem might be the way to go. I'd like to do events like BC Bike Race on the Ryve so I got the 115, but now I'm hoping Spot comes out with a SB150 equivalent, longer travel 29er that I'd trade in the Mayhem for at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding-Dude View Post
    I have a Mayhem and now the Ryve 115 6 star build (XTR). Sounds like you are in the same boat I was, Mayhem is such a great do it all bike (mines 150/130), but I was missing a small bike for just racking up miles on big days and fast local single track rides with my xc buddies. Been very happy with my Ryve so far for this purpose, definitely is very stiff and efficient like the Mayhem, as usual been trying to find the balance on the rear end between the firmness (harshness?) and compliance that I had to find on the Mayhem as well, but the slacker geometry w/ 120mm fork leads this bike to being a ton of fun on the downhill sections too. I do wonder about a bit of overlap or differentiation between bikes though right now, if I was only XC racing or depending on your local terrain the Ryve 100 with the Mayhem might be the way to go. I'd like to do events like BC Bike Race on the Ryve so I got the 115, but now I'm hoping Spot comes out with a SB150 equivalent, longer travel 29er that I'd trade in the Mayhem for at this point.
    Thanks. That helps. I want the bike for xc races, training rides leading up to a race and gast group rides with other racers. I have a fox34sc 120mm fork ill use either way. Does the 15mm +/- travel for the shock make a difference?

    I put RWC needle bearings on my mayhem which really helped with suppleness. The shock is sooo active but you wouldmt know unless you looked down. I might do the same with the ryve.

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    Musings from the 27.5 plus curious: I swapped out my 29er wheelset to a 27.5 plus with 2.8's (DHF and Rekon) just for the hell of it. I've been running the bike as 29er since I bought earlier this year, but wanted to see how the bike rode with the smaller hoops. I was skeptical...but wow, the bigger rubber is fun! Local trails are super dry and blown out at the moment, and the extra traction was noticeable. Also...with all the comments on this forum about the Spot having so much anti-squat and feeling a bit harsh in the mid-stroke, I almost feel like the bike was made for the plus tires.....they added a lot of plushness, great climbing traction, but the bike still feels poppy and precise. I'm a pretty die hard 29er guy, but this kind of opened my eyes a bit......I know this a Spot Mayhem 29 Forum, but does anyone else have any experiences running both types of wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonHH View Post
    does anyone else have any experiences running both types of wheels?
    I'm about to do the opposite, as soon as I measure up my new rims to figure out spoke lengths and build 'em up. Curiosity is getting the better of me. I certainly don't have plans to dump my plus wheelset. I'd miss that cool plus tire noise on downhill slickrock/hardpack if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonHH View Post
    Musings from the 27.5 plus curious: I swapped out my 29er wheelset to a 27.5 plus with 2.8's (DHF and Rekon) just for the hell of it. I've been running the bike as 29er since I bought earlier this year, but wanted to see how the bike rode with the smaller hoops. I was skeptical...but wow, the bigger rubber is fun! Local trails are super dry and blown out at the moment, and the extra traction was noticeable. Also...with all the comments on this forum about the Spot having so much anti-squat and feeling a bit harsh in the mid-stroke, I almost feel like the bike was made for the plus tires.....they added a lot of plushness, great climbing traction, but the bike still feels poppy and precise. I'm a pretty die hard 29er guy, but this kind of opened my eyes a bit......I know this a Spot Mayhem 29 Forum, but does anyone else have any experiences running both types of wheels?
    Ive done both. I started with 27.5 x 2.8. It was fun, poppy, and stable as hell. I tried 29x2.4 up to 2.6. The 29ers roll faster and have better roll over. They also have less pedal strikes. I stucl woth 29er for those reasons.

    I have a evil insurgent with 27.5x 2.8 maxxis tires that is a ton of fun but again rolls slow even though weighing less than my spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Thanks. That helps. I want the bike for xc races, training rides leading up to a race and gast group rides with other racers. I have a fox34sc 120mm fork ill use either way. Does the 15mm +/- travel for the shock make a difference?

    I put RWC needle bearings on my mayhem which really helped with suppleness. The shock is sooo active but you wouldmt know unless you looked down. I might do the same with the ryve.

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    Probably not a big difference on the rear shock going +15mm but the extra 20mm and stiffness of the 34sc is really nice to have. If I was still doing the shorter xc races proper I probably would have done the Ryve 100 as I'm betting its still plenty capable for some fun stuff with the head angle it has. I agree with the way Spot has marked the 115 in that its a marathon/racy-very light trail kind of bike. I'm in BC though so my typical XC ride has pretty burly features still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding-Dude View Post
    Probably not a big difference on the rear shock going +15mm but the extra 20mm and stiffness of the 34sc is really nice to have. If I was still doing the shorter xc races proper I probably would have done the Ryve 100 as I'm betting its still plenty capable for some fun stuff with the head angle it has. I agree with the way Spot has marked the 115 in that its a marathon/racy-very light trail kind of bike. I'm in BC though so my typical XC ride has pretty burly features still.
    Would the 115 be a drawback racing vs the 100? If i get the 115 i can train and race on it but then again I still will have my Mayhem which is plenty capable

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Would the 115 be a drawback racing vs the 100? If i get the 115 i can train and race on it but then again I still will have my Mayhem which is plenty capable

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    Not necessarily sure the 115 would be a drawback but there is a supposed 2 lb weight difference between the 115 and 100 (my 115 is a large, 25 pounds on the dot without pedals) that would probably be noticeable, but the weight difference is interesting as I can only see the fox 34 vs. 32 and nobby nic on the front vs. racing ray being the difference between the bikes, so if you have the fox 34sc up front maybe the 115 is worth it as that would be the only difference in your build? The 115 is definitely fast but I think if I was still focusing on racing quite a bit I would have gone with the 100, especially the modern geo 4" bikes, are really quite capable all round. Especially having the Mayhem still, having a bike thats dialled for racing and then a real trail bike would be a solid way to go. For what its worth as well, I really like bouncing between the Mayhem and Ryve, even though they are quite different bikes on paper and riding purpose, there isn't really too big of an adjustment that I feel between riding each bike.

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    Love both sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonHH View Post
    Musings from the 27.5 plus curious: I swapped out my 29er wheelset to a 27.5 plus with 2.8's (DHF and Rekon) just for the hell of it. I've been running the bike as 29er since I bought earlier this year, but wanted to see how the bike rode with the smaller hoops. I was skeptical...but wow, the bigger rubber is fun! Local trails are super dry and blown out at the moment, and the extra traction was noticeable. Also...with all the comments on this forum about the Spot having so much anti-squat and feeling a bit harsh in the mid-stroke, I almost feel like the bike was made for the plus tires.....they added a lot of plushness, great climbing traction, but the bike still feels poppy and precise. I'm a pretty die hard 29er guy, but this kind of opened my eyes a bit......I know this a Spot Mayhem 29 Forum, but does anyone else have any experiences running both types of wheels?
    My bike came with 27+. When I smashed my 27+ rim I bought a Santa Cruz carbon Reserve 29 wheel set. I love both wheel sets. The 29 mounted with 2.5 DHF front and 2.35 aggressor rear is my go-to set for good conditions, long distance, speed. Much faster and better roll-over than the 27+. The 27+ I love just cause they're so much fun. Especially on sketchy terrain or when I'm trying drops I haven't tried before. I just rebuilt my 27+ wheels and installed Cushcore in 2.8 Rekons to reduce the chance of smashing another wheel. Can't wait to try them out. I'll post back how the 27+ with Cushcores perform once I get a few rides in.

    You're right about the Spot being well suited for the plus sized tires. I demoed a Yeti with plus tires and hated it. Not sure what the difference is but I think it has to do with the stiffness of Spot's living link. The Yeti felt very imprecise when cornering.

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    I'm a big fan of both the 27.5 plus and 29 wheels. The bike handles both extremely well, and the wheels totally change the character of the bike.

    I'm also a big fan of cushcore with plus wheels. It takes tire damping to an entirely new level. I feel like the 27.5+ is maximum fun, and the 29 wheels is maximum speed and efficiency. Both are a riot on this bike.

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    I just joined the Mayhem club! I grabbed an ex-demo "509" 6-star bike (with 5 star wheels). I've done about 40 miles so far, and I'm loving it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by strumke View Post
    I just joined the Mayhem club! I grabbed an ex-demo "509" 6-star bike (with 5 star wheels). I've done about 40 miles so far, and I'm loving it!
    Congrats on the Mayhem. How much were you able to snag it for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Congrats on the Mayhem. How much were you able to snag it for?
    I just happened to come across it when I was looking to see about demo-ing one. Ended up in the mid $4k's by swapping the Enve wheels out to stans. Everything else is the 6-star build...XX1, I just saw that the new ones are AXS and XTR ...I have some FOMO

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    I go by there quite often and those demo bikes are a steal! Each time one goes out everything is setup for the rider by one of the Spot crew. So you don't have to worry about it being ridden with the suspension out of whack or headset loose ...Most folks pick em up, ride em for an hour or two then bring em back then Spot inspects em when they set it up for the next guy.

    The AXS looks sweet but where I would be concerned with it is say you are on a trip to Taos or somewhere that doesn't have 10 high end shops and you snap that derailleur. With a normal set up you can walk into any shop and buy a derailleur to get you riding again, not sure you can do that with the AXS yet.


    I originally popped into this thread to say I brought my bike into Spot recently so they could take a look at it. I've got roughly 3000 miles on it on rough Colorado and Utah chunk plus I am a hack, there is zero finesse. They said the frame looks great, no signs of stress. They found a bent derailleur and headset bearings needed replaced. A little over two years, 4 chains, two rear rims, couple derailleurs, couple cassettes and 3000miles and I am still in love with this rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    I go by there quite often and those demo bikes are a steal! Each time one goes out everything is setup for the rider by one of the Spot crew. So you don't have to worry about it being ridden with the suspension out of whack or headset loose ...Most folks pick em up, ride em for an hour or two then bring em back then Spot inspects em when they set it up for the next guy.

    The AXS looks sweet but where I would be concerned with it is say you are on a trip to Taos or somewhere that doesn't have 10 high end shops and you snap that derailleur. With a normal set up you can walk into any shop and buy a derailleur to get you riding again, not sure you can do that with the AXS yet.


    I originally popped into this thread to say I brought my bike into Spot recently so they could take a look at it. I've got roughly 3000 miles on it on rough Colorado and Utah chunk plus I am a hack, there is zero finesse. They said the frame looks great, no signs of stress. They found a bent derailleur and headset bearings needed replaced. A little over two years, 4 chains, two rear rims, couple derailleurs, couple cassettes and 3000miles and I am still in love with this rig.
    That is a ton of miles in a little over 2 years. Not in a bad way by any means. I moreso mean it would probably take me 5 years+ to have that much. 4 chains during that time is good to know. Which group set do you have on your mayhem? What is the frequency for the cassette and chain replacement?

    Did you get new rims by choice or you just beat them up so bad that you had to?

    After all my back and forth and indecisiveness with which bike to go with (Ibis, HT, wait for new Tallboy, Pivot or Spot), I pulled the trigger on a M Mayhem. Now my nerves are kicking in in anticipation that is was the right choice and size for me at 5ft 9inches.

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    The four chains were gx, I just put a xx on a couple weeks ago. 3 broke after about 6 months and one wore out badly enough to wear the cassette. I am running xo1 shifter and cassette and just installed a xx1 derailleur.

    Had to replace the rear rim when it wouldn't hold air for tubeless anymore. I am a hack that likes to just truck stick through the rocks. I have the i9 backcountry 360 rims and it held up a lot longer than I thought it would.

    I am almost 5' 10" and got a large mayhem then shortened the stem. I like that the 150mm dropper sinks almost all the way in when dropped. I always buy larges, I came off a large HD3 and a large Bronson before that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    The four chains were gx, I just put a xx on a couple weeks ago. 3 broke after about 6 months and one wore out badly enough to wear the cassette. I am running xo1 shifter and cassette and just installed a xx1 derailleur.

    Had to replace the rear rim when it wouldn't hold air for tubeless anymore. I am a hack that likes to just truck stick through the rocks. I have the i9 backcountry 360 rims and it held up a lot longer than I thought it would.

    I am almost 5' 10" and got a large mayhem then shortened the stem. I like that the 150mm dropper sinks almost all the way in when dropped. I always buy larges, I came off a large HD3 and a large Bronson before that.
    Maybe I have to rethink their recommended siZing. With shoes I am 5’ 9.5” to 5’ 9.75” or so. I may either have to increase the stem size o the M to 70mm or going to a large bike and shortening stem to 50mm. Time for another call to the Spot guys. I bet they are completely fed up hearing from me via email and now since purchase via phone. Lol.

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    Unless you've got long legs, there's a good chance you can't ride a large with a 160mm dropper... it can't go into the frame far enough. I had that problem with several of my clients (we had the Mayhem and Rollik last year as demo bikes), if they were on the short end of the size range, they were cutting it close since all the bikes had 160mm BikeYokes on them.

    From experience fitting dozens of riders on our demos last year, I think 5'9" (ish) is definitely a medium. I find that the Spot bikes ran bigger than something like Ibis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Unless you've got long legs, there's a good chance you can't ride a large with a 160mm dropper... it can't go into the frame far enough. I had that problem with several of my clients (we had the Mayhem and Rollik last year as demo bikes), if they were on the short end of the size range, they were cutting it close since all the bikes had 160mm BikeYokes on them.

    From experience fitting dozens of riders on our demos last year, I think 5'9" (ish) is definitely a medium. I find that the Spot bikes ran bigger than something like Ibis.
    Im 5'6" on a medium with a 40mm stem and it works for me. See if you can ride one

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    does anybody have any inside info if Spot is coming out with a bigger version of the Mayhem along the lines of the Ripmo? I want a mayhem, and I want a spot, but I think the 130/140 thing is not enough bike for me personally.......

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    I'm 5' 9.5" with a 31" inseam and I had a similar concern. They told me the M would be good, and I'm happy with the fit. They put a 70 stem on there to give a little extra reach from the 50 that was originally on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus1974 View Post
    does anybody have any inside info if Spot is coming out with a bigger version of the Mayhem along the lines of the Ripmo? I want a mayhem, and I want a spot, but I think the 130/140 thing is not enough bike for me personally.......
    I think I heard that the new Mayhem will be out next year and it is still gonna be 130/140 but have a stiffer frame and the flip chip. I don't think the geometry is changing, but I am almost positive it isn't getting more travel.

    Where are you riding that a big wheeled mid travel bike isn't enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus1974 View Post
    does anybody have any inside info if Spot is coming out with a bigger version of the Mayhem along the lines of the Ripmo? I want a mayhem, and I want a spot, but I think the 130/140 thing is not enough bike for me personally.......
    I asked Spot about this a few months ago. They obviously didn't give any specifics, but made it sound like they had something longer legged in the works. A 160/150 living link bike would be pretty damn amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    I asked Spot about this a few months ago. They obviously didn't give any specifics, but made it sound like they had something longer legged in the works. A 160/150 living link bike would be pretty damn amazing.
    Sounds like you guys basically want a 29er Spot Rollik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    I asked Spot about this a few months ago. They obviously didn't give any specifics, but made it sound like they had something longer legged in the works. A 160/150 living link bike would be pretty damn amazing.
    Something is in the works for late this year. No real details to share though.

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    For the WIN - a 29er Rollik would be awesome IMO!!

    As a first gen 557 owner - i have the new bikitis and as i came from 29ers when 29ers really werent great, i am highly intrigued by all the new mid-long travel options.

    Whether a long travel Mayhem arrives or its a 29er Rollik or an all new model - i won't be doing anything but some select demos until Spot releases whatever it is up next.

    My target list as of today:

    Top Choices and Spot will be looked at against everything else.
    new Rollik 150.
    next gen Spot 29er mid/long bike

    - it will take a lot to move me away from Spot. Im not even what you would label a brand loyalist as say some people ONLY buy Fords or Chevy's etc... i tend to demo, and buy what speaks to me and works for me - but Spot really have been GREAT as a company and the 1st gen Rollik can still hang with anything in its class and best a lot of it.

    GG smash (or in 27.5 form shreddog)
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    Possibly Fezzarri La Sal... but they left no standover with that top tube for a guy my size..

    maybe for reference the new hightower and next gen Trek Fuel (going 140rr/150fr) but frankly i really like Spot and the other colorado local brands and they are all putting out products that should land on everyone's short lists as they really are that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    For the WIN - a 29er Rollik would be awesome IMO!!

    As a first gen 557 owner - i have the new bikitis and as i came from 29ers when 29ers really werent great, i am highly intrigued by all the new mid-long travel options.

    Whether a long travel Mayhem arrives or its a 29er Rollik or an all new model - i won't be doing anything but some select demos until Spot releases whatever it is up next.

    My target list as of today:

    Top Choices and Spot will be looked at against everything else.
    new Rollik 150.
    next gen Spot 29er mid/long bike

    - it will take a lot to move me away from Spot. Im not even what you would label a brand loyalist as say some people ONLY buy Fords or Chevy's etc... i tend to demo, and buy what speaks to me and works for me - but Spot really have been GREAT as a company and the 1st gen Rollik can still hang with anything in its class and best a lot of it.

    GG smash (or in 27.5 form shreddog)
    Alchemy Arktos

    Next tier
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    Possibly Fezzarri La Sal... but they left no standover with that top tube for a guy my size..

    maybe for reference the new hightower and next gen Trek Fuel (going 140rr/150fr) but frankly i really like Spot and the other colorado local brands and they are all putting out products that should land on everyone's short lists as they really are that good.
    I have a Mayhem and a La Sal. The La Sal is more fun does better the faster it goes. The Mayhem is more efficient, feels more stiff and racey. Their both good, it depends what you are hoping to get out of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    I originally popped into this thread to say I brought my bike into Spot recently so they could take a look at it. I've got roughly 3000 miles on it on rough Colorado and Utah chunk plus I am a hack, there is zero finesse. They said the frame looks great, no signs of stress. They found a bent derailleur and headset bearings needed replaced. A little over two years, 4 chains, two rear rims, couple derailleurs, couple cassettes and 3000miles and I am still in love with this rig.
    How did your pivots look? I just hit 2600 miles on my Mayhem. Will be pushing 3k by winter. Was guessing it may be time for some pivot maintenance.

    I’m still somehow running the original eagle XX1 cassette and chain. Do need to check the chain stretch though, guessing it’s toast.

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    They said they looked good and I don't believe they changed them out. They seemed pretty pleased with how everything was holding up. I get my suspension serviced twice a year and the bike feels better than new each time.

    The xx1 stuff holds up much better, gx is dead to me now. You might end up replacing both when the chain finally gives out on ya.
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    Hey guys/gals, some input and suggestions will be appreciated. I just got my Spot Mayhem last week and it has been feeling great on the suspension and curbs around the neighborhood. However I ran off a 12 inch high “curb” and pretty much used what appears to be all of the suspension. What suggestions do you guys have to help combat this? This drop to flat is about half the height of some of the things in my local trail area. Do i need to add volume spacers and tokens front and rear? Or just add more air in both front and rear. But if i add air the “normal” ride could become more harsh right? Maybe I am being paranoid.

    I was told that the top of the letters on the front fork is the end of the travel.

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    You still haven't used all your travel. I'd say hit the big stuff and see where it stands at that point. If you want to be sure where the max end of travel is, you can always remove all the air (positive and negative chambers) and completely compress it and see where it goes.

    I try to use all my travel every 2 or 3 rides.

    Also, travel ramps up on these bikes, so the last 5% take a lot more to compress than the mid 50%.

    If you're using all your travel on the big stuff, that's ok. if it's bottoming out harsh, you'll want to add a volume spacer. But I wouldn't go changing much until you completely bottom out.

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    Thanks hardtail party.

    Im going to try to get out to the bigger stuff this weekend if the weather permits. It is raining every freaking day it seems.

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    I'm also betting that most of the things you drop on a trail have a downhill landing (hopefully). Drops to flat are about the toughest thing on your suspension. While this bike can definitely handle a 2' drop to flat, I'm hoping your trail features have a better transition.

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    Hey guys, I've owned my Mayhem for about a year now, ~900 miles. I've developed a creak that only appears under load on the pedals/cranks. It's a clicking noise that appears through the pedal stroke when climbing, although I can get it do to it just as easily when applying the brakes and pedaling on flat ground. It does not make noise when pushing down on the saddle, or bouncing on the bike with the cranks parallel to the ground. So far I've removed, cleaned, and greased (where needed) the rear axle, cassette, derailleur and derailleur hanger, pedals, cranks, and bottom bracket. I replaced the chain as it was due (no change in noise). I've also done the same to the saddle and seat post even though the noise appears both seated and standing. I've tried different pedals. It sounds like its coming from near my feet.

    My thinking is that it's the bottom bracket, but is there anything else you guys can think of before I go spend $40 on a new one?

    Thanks guys. Still loving the bike, just annoyed with the noise

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Hey guys, I've owned my Mayhem for about a year now, ~900 miles. I've developed a creak that only appears under load on the pedals/cranks. It's a clicking noise that appears through the pedal stroke when climbing, although I can get it do to it just as easily when applying the brakes and pedaling on flat ground. It does not make noise when pushing down on the saddle, or bouncing on the bike with the cranks parallel to the ground. So far I've removed, cleaned, and greased (where needed) the rear axle, cassette, derailleur and derailleur hanger, pedals, cranks, and bottom bracket. I replaced the chain as it was due (no change in noise). I've also done the same to the saddle and seat post even though the noise appears both seated and standing. I've tried different pedals. It sounds like its coming from near my feet.

    My thinking is that it's the bottom bracket, but is there anything else you guys can think of before I go spend $40 on a new one?

    Thanks guys. Still loving the bike, just annoyed with the noise
    Check the shock mount in the front. Mine did. The same and I tracked it down to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Hey guys, I've owned my Mayhem for about a year now, ~900 miles. I've developed a creak that only appears under load on the pedals/cranks. It's a clicking noise that appears through the pedal stroke when climbing, although I can get it do to it just as easily when applying the brakes and pedaling on flat ground. It does not make noise when pushing down on the saddle, or bouncing on the bike with the cranks parallel to the ground. So far I've removed, cleaned, and greased (where needed) the rear axle, cassette, derailleur and derailleur hanger, pedals, cranks, and bottom bracket. I replaced the chain as it was due (no change in noise). I've also done the same to the saddle and seat post even though the noise appears both seated and standing. I've tried different pedals. It sounds like its coming from near my feet.

    My thinking is that it's the bottom bracket, but is there anything else you guys can think of before I go spend $40 on a new one?

    Thanks guys. Still loving the bike, just annoyed with the noise
    Have you ran your situation by the Spot guys? They are very helpful and may have seen this and or know some things to try to fix your bike.

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    Yes, I have, and they were responsive and helpful in offering suggestions. They suggested replacing the bottom bracket first. Just wanted to bounce it off you guys before spending the cash.

    I just went to go check on the bike again, and I noticed there is a bit of play in the front shock mount. I have both bolts tightened to the spec'd torque, but I feel a knock when wiggling the shock back and forth. I'll bounce this off Spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Yes, I have, and they were responsive and helpful in offering suggestions. They suggested replacing the bottom bracket first. Just wanted to bounce it off you guys before spending the cash.

    I just went to go check on the bike again, and I noticed there is a bit of play in the front shock mount. I have both bolts tightened to the spec'd torque, but I feel a knock when wiggling the shock back and forth. I'll bounce this off Spot.
    Mine did this a while back. I pulled the crank and retorqued the chain ring bolts. None felt loose but I torqued em anyhow and it stopped. Mine has started again so I need to try this again.
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    Can you get it to creak when you're coasting, or just when you're pedalling?

    Based off what you mentioned, my guess would be the bb


    My first creaks always come from the fox bushings surrounding my rear shock. That and the seat rails. I love my bikeyoke revive post so much, but it often creaks at the seat rails. A drop of tri flown usually quiets it for me.

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    @hardtail party did you use the tri flow on the Fox bushings surrounding the rear shock as well? Did you have to remove the shock for this?


    I am having a few freaks and what sounds like cable rattle somewhere (not the front grouping of cables) on my bike as well. I have a whopping 60 miles on my Mayhem. Been trying to track it down as well.

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    @poonamibaxter, I did that already, but will give it another shot.

    @hardtail party, I don't think I've heard it when "not pedaling" but I plan on doing some more experimenting tonight after work. I've only heard it on climbing, which then prompted me to try it in my driveway while applying brakes. How did you find your fox shock creek and what did you do to resolve it?

    At cue003, this is not rattling, but I'd recommend maybe a bit of electrical tape on the cables near the head tube... this quieted things down up there for me.

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    I removed the rear bolt attaching my shock and greased it the shock bushings bson both sides. That made the creak go away. I've never had cable rattle. My bike is dead silent.
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    I am telling you to check the shock bushings. If you grab the can of the shock close to the front mount and rotate it you may hear the clicking sound. Also with the bike laying on the side push down on parts of the triangle to flex it ever-so-slightly. It took me a long time to find it but I did find it. I put a little bit of grease on the through bolts and retorqued down. It's solved it for a period of time but periodically creeps back up.

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    Alright thanks guys, I'll try adding a bit of grease to the shock bolts. When I did my first shock seal service I noticed it was completely dry, so I figured no need to grease.

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    Had an identical issue. It was the chain ring bolts. Loosened them and re-torqued them to spec and no more noise.


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    Hey guys, can you do the same thing to the DPX2 shock on the Mayhem that people are doing to the DPX2 shock on there Yeti SB130's?? I guess if you take out the spacer it makes the travel go from 130 to 136 making it a Lunch ride or whatever, not a big deal, more or less wondering......and If this is a stupid question, I will take the abuse, thanks in advance

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    I would absolutely not recommend modifying the shock to increase travel. Would likely allow the rocker link to contact the frame at full compression. The Rollik had the contact issue due to an out of spec link and several people ended up with broken frames.
    If you modify the shock and break your bike, you probably aren’t going to get any warranty support from Spot.

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    In my opinion, the best way to get a little extra travel for more chunk is to ride it in 27.5+ mode and air down a bit. The mayhem is an absolute bruiser in that mode.

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    I’m curious those that with riding weight between 150-160lbs what PSI did you guys settle on for front and rear suspension?

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    Hello all SPOT Mayhem fans and owners. Paul here from SPOT bikes, yes, I work there for full disclosure. We've been lurking on MTBR and have enjoyed seeing all the info and stoke shared about the Mayhem. It has garnered quite a following for its unique qalities on the trail. Thanks for posting to these forums and sharing information and experiences with each other. If you ever want to have a conversation with us at Spot, the best way to reach us is by phone or email - 303.278.3955 or [email protected]. We love to talk bikes and trails, so drop us a line! Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Hello all SPOT Mayhem fans and owners. Paul here from SPOT bikes, yes, I work there for full disclosure. We've been lurking on MTBR and have enjoyed seeing all the info and stoke shared about the Mayhem. It has garnered quite a following for its unique qalities on the trail. Thanks for posting to these forums and sharing information and experiences with each other. If you ever want to have a conversation with us at Spot, the best way to reach us is by phone or email - 303.278.3955 or [email protected]. We love to talk bikes and trails, so drop us a line! Cheers!
    I bought the Mayhem when 1st released. Paul was and has been great to work with. I have called him many times. No one should have reservations buying and working with the guys at Spot.

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    Has anyone put a non-boost (6mm offset) chainring on the front of their Mayhem? Looks a bit tight in the rear, but doable. I find myself in the top ranges of the cassette often and would like to maximize the life expectancy of these ridicules expensive components as the chainline when in the 50 is pretty severe. Note: The offset, which moves the chainring closer to the frame, would lessen this.

    Another option would be to switch to a 30t (presently on stock 32) in the front which would result in less reliance on the top two gears.

    I have emailed Spot for their input, but have yet to hear back.

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    IDK specifically if the 30t 6mm offset will not hit the chain stay, but going non-boost is a good idea in general. Most work is done in the lower gears (biggest cogs) and they get the most wear by far so having the chain line favor them helps. Wolf Tooth has a page discussing the benefits of doing this. The diff between boost and non-boost is only 3mm so not that big anyway.
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    I had my maiden ride on my Mayhem this afternoon. What a rad bike, this thing just wants to get after it! Probably the best pedaling FS bike I've ever ridden. Most recently I'm coming from a couple Salsa split pivot bikes. The latest of which I m replacing, because at a Medium it was too small. Oddly enough my Large Mayhem rides and feels like a smaller bike than the Horsethief. I am still getting the suspension sorted on the Mayhem, but so far I'm digging it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 9GUY9 View Post
    I had my maiden ride on my Mayhem this afternoon. What a rad bike, this thing just wants to get after it! Probably the best pedaling FS bike I've ever ridden. Most recently I'm coming from a couple Salsa split pivot bikes. The latest of which I m replacing, because at a Medium it was too small. Oddly enough my Large Mayhem rides and feels like a smaller bike than the Horsethief. I am still getting the suspension sorted on the Mayhem, but so far I'm digging it!


    What is your inseam and height?

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    Hmmm... My inseam is also 32" but I'm 5'8" Trying to decide large or medium on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Hmmm... My inseam is also 32" but I'm 5'8" Trying to decide large or medium on this bike.

    If you have any chance to test ride one of either size I'd suggest doing so.

    With a 32" inseam I'd say your probably good on a large. It may suit your shorter torso very well. The Mayhem has a pretty short toptube and reach by modern standards. At you height you could run a short stem and be in a good position. I currently have a 50mm stem, and as soon as a70mm crosses my path I plan to run that.

    As much as I like the bike, I'd like to tweak the geo numbers a bit. Remove 10mm of chainstay length, add 25mm to the top tube/reach, and cut down the seat tube as much as possible. At 5'11", with a 32" inseam I can just barley fit the Bike Yoke dropper it came with, and like mentioned I am kinda cramped up with the 50mm stem. Shorter chain stays would just make it a bit more playful on my Midwest trails
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    I 100% agree with the small geo tweaks you mentioned. It would change the nature of the mayhem to be a bit more playful, which some people would love and some wouldnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Hmmm... My inseam is also 32" but I'm 5'8" Trying to decide large or medium on this bike.
    At 5’8 you could probably go either way but I’d recommend a medium. With the longish 19” seat tube on the large you’d like be stuck with a 100mm dropper post. The saddle to bar measurement can easily be tweaked with a slightly longer stem.
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    It's too bad the seat tubes aren't 4" shorter. However, the bolt/pivot that intersects the seat tube would also limit the size of dropper you could fit even if it was shorter. With how long droppers are these days, i like seeng frames with short seat tubes.

    I ended up between a medium and a large on a Rollik 150 (same front triangle as a mayhem I believe). I wanted the reach of the large with the seat tube length of the medium. I ended up getting a large and cutting off 2.5" off the frame at the top of the seat tube. Even so, i could only fit a 125mm dropper in it. Obviously cutting your frame will completely voided your warranty, and it's not a job many people should attempt. But I'm glad I did it.

    I have the legs of a 5' tall man (29" inseam), and the torso of a 6' tall man. The extra reach has been nice for steep chutes.

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    Has anyone stuck with a mullet setup? 29x2.5 or 2.6 front with a 27.5 x 2.8 rear.

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    I've experimented with a mullet aerup like that. It took some getting used to.

    I'd love to try 29x2.8 up front with 27.5x2 8 out back. That would make it a pretty aggressive feeling bike.

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    Hey guys, have about 100 miles on my mayhem so far and I just noticed that 10 or so knobs on my rear Nobby Nic are sliced or “cracking/tearing” at the base of the knob where it meets the tire itself. Is that normal after such low miles and use. Each outing is less than 10 miles of riding and it is the exact same trails? Only 100 miles and it appears that I may have to replace the tire. They are pretty price at like $70 a tire. What is a worthy replacement? Maybe I got a bad tire and I should just give it the Schwalbe another shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Hey guys, have about 100 miles on my mayhem so far and I just noticed that 10 or so knobs on my rear Nobby Nic are sliced or “cracking/tearing” at the base of the knob where it meets the tire itself. Is that normal after such low miles and use. Each outing is less than 10 miles of riding and it is the exact same trails? Only 100 miles and it appears that I may have to replace the tire. They are pretty price at like $70 a tire. What is a worthy replacement? Maybe I got a bad tire and I should just give it the Schwalbe another shot?
    Thats just Scwalbe tires. When theyre done get something else. I have Vittoria Martellos on my Mayhem and havent had problems

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    Thanks Steve,

    I'd be worried that the 29x2.8 up front would be too much of a mismatch, probably wander too much go up but might be okay going down.

    I'd want to try a 29x2.6 Rekon to match my 27.5x2.8 Rekon rear but I haven't fully committed to building a front wheel just to try it out. Might save it for a winter project.



    Quote Originally Posted by hardtail party View Post
    I've experimented with a mullet aerup like that. It took some getting used to.

    I'd love to try 29x2.8 up front with 27.5x2 8 out back. That would make it a pretty aggressive feeling bike.

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    I usually ride a wider tire in the front than the back. I exert more cornering forces on a front tires and that's where a wider tire works best for me.

    I've run as wide as a 3.0 up front on my plusnjardtail, and I love it, aside from the weight.

    Experiment away, you may love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    Hey guys, have about 100 miles on my mayhem so far and I just noticed that 10 or so knobs on my rear Nobby Nic are sliced or “cracking/tearing” at the base of the knob where it meets the tire itself. Is that normal after such low miles and use. Each outing is less than 10 miles of riding and it is the exact same trails? Only 100 miles and it appears that I may have to replace the tire. They are pretty price at like $70 a tire. What is a worthy replacement? Maybe I got a bad tire and I should just give it the Schwalbe another shot?
    Take a picture and submit a warranty claim with Schwalbe... they'll send you a new tire ASAP.

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    Thanks folks. I will reach out to Schwalbe in the morning and see what they say.
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    Warranty claimed submitted and already fulfilled by Schwalbe. Thanks for the feedback guys.

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    If anyone is selling a medium, pm me. Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by COBlue View Post
    If anyone is selling a medium, pm me. Thx
    Just PM'd you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripn View Post
    If you ever make it over to Sac you can take mine for a spin.
    @ Ripn - I’m in Sacramento and would really appreciate having a look at your Mayhem. Thanks!

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    I will put it out there too (following Ripn lead) that if anyone is interested in the Mayhem and in the S. FL area shoot my a PM and you can try my Medium Mayhem out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Hmmm... My inseam is also 32" but I'm 5'8" Trying to decide large or medium on this bike.
    I am 5’9” / 32” inseam.

    After a lengthy test ride on a M, I could not imagine being on a large.

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    I too am 5’9 (moreso 5‘ 9.5”) with 32 inseam and on a M. I struggled trying to decide at first and looking a geo numbers on paper comparing to other bikes. I am happy I ended up on M.

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    Thanks for the helpful information.

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    Hello all,

    Just demo'd a Mayhem this weekend. Fantastic bike. I have a 2017 Trek Fuel EX 9, and the Spot felt very similar with a more efficient climbing platform and a much more supportive suspension on the downs.

    I demo'd an Ibis Ripmo earlier in October and was a little put off with it's pedaling position. The bottom bracket is set pretty far back and it felt like I was in a unicycle riding position. Great bike on the downs but just felt like I didn't get much power on steep climbs.

    Looking hard at the Spot for next Spring. A couple of questions:

    1. Anybody running 2.5s on the Stans Arch MK3 wheelset? Those rims were a little narrow for my taste.

    2. I like quiet bikes, and my Trek requires regular suspension bolt, bushing, bearing maintenance. How maintenance "free" are you finding the Spot's suspension system. Looked to me like only 4 bearings, but is anyone finding they are having to regularly clean and grease the living link?

    Thanks!

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    Zoomie,

    1. I run a maxxis minion DHF 2.5 in front and haven't had any issues on the Arch MK3 rims.

    2. I've owned my mayhem for a little over a year now, and recently just broke down the entire bike in search of a creak that I've had for maybe 3-4 months now. The creak is very slight and really isn't noticeable to other riders that I ride with (just to give you an idea). I can say this, taking the entire bike apart, removing and replacing 6 bearings in the frame was not that difficult, but it also didn't solve the issue. Therefore, it's either a) in the living link which the Mayhem manual specifically says not to remove/service (They state "call spot with any questions" which I have not done cause I'm not completely convinced it's the link just yet or b)it's in the drive train somewhere. So my plan of attack is maybe trying a new crank cause I've literally tried everything else.

    Anyway, short answer to your question, yes on 2.5s, and the bike is fairly quiet and seems to be very quiet for the majority of owners. The living link is supposed to be maintenance free.

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    Man, quick reply! Yes, chasing creaks is frustrating, but hopefully it's just the bottom bracket. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it! Very helpful

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    I had the same problem and found it was my rear axle and main pivot bolt causing the noise. Good luck with yours

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    dmo, what did you do to fix the issue? I've cleaned and greased my rear axle many times now, and as far as the main pivot bolt, I just removed it, cleaned it well with isopropyl alcohol and reassembled to the specified torque. Spot's manual says not to grease it...

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    I greased the rear axle and torqued the heck out of it. I had my lbs pull all the bolts off the rear end, clean, regrease and reassemble everything. I got a new pivot bolt from spot that ill try if the noise comes back.

    I cant remember but i may have an mrp axle on the rear end too

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    If anyone is Ryve 115 curious, Bicycling recently posted a review -
    https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...ve-115-review/

    Enjoy!

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    Who here checks their T30 bolts on the leaf spring every 100 hours (per the manual), and if so, what tool are you using to get to the ground facing bolts in the triangle? I have not been able to find a T30 wrench or bit that can fit between the link and the bottom of the triangle. It's a very tight fit (about 30mm or so, tighter on the outer bolts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Who here checks their T30 bolts on the leaf spring every 100 hours (per the manual), and if so, what tool are you using to get to the ground facing bolts in the triangle? I have not been able to find a T30 wrench or bit that can fit between the link and the bottom of the triangle. It's a very tight fit (about 30mm or so, tighter on the outer bolts).
    I usually tear mine completely down every 20-30 hours to fully clean and re-torque everything on the bike (old habit from racing moto). I just pulled the 4 bolts that hold the leaf assembly in the rear triangle, once you do that it pulls straight up and out. Check the torque and reinstall. The very first time I did it I had a few loose ones. The last two times they haven't budged at all with the torque wrench. Hope that helps.

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    JasonL, thanks for the response. In your experience, do I need to have the rear triangle off the bike? Or can I do this with just the rear wheel removed. (I just got the bike back together after doing a tear down and don't really want to take it all apart again.)

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    JasonL, thanks for the response. In your experience, do I need to have the rear triangle off the bike? Or can I do this with just the rear wheel removed. (I just got the bike back together after doing a tear down and don't really want to take it all apart again.)

    Thanks.
    Based on the way that it comes out, by lifting up, I don’t see why you couldn’t do it with the rear wheel removed. Personally I have never done it that way though so I can’t say for sure.


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    @zeppman, if you are able to accomplish with just the rear wheel removed please let me know. I am not ready to give it a go yet but it would be good to know that it is actually doable With only rear wheel removed when the time comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post

    2. I like quiet bikes, and my Trek requires regular suspension bolt, bushing, bearing maintenance. How maintenance "free" are you finding the Spot's suspension system. Looked to me like only 4 bearings, but is anyone finding they are having to regularly clean and grease the living link?


    I've been on a Rollik 557 for a couple seasons now and haven't had any issues with the suspension. I don't have any creaks or noises coming from the frame or linkage. I haven't torn anything apart to clean or replace anything, but I will this winter in the downtime. It's been really hands off for me.

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    ^ that's been my experience as well. Lowest maintenance bike I've owned that wasnt a hardtail.

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    @cue003. Found out last night you need to remove the rear triangle. The leaf spring "mount" (the thing with the 8 or so bolts in it) slides up, it can't go down or straight off the bike. There is not enough room (at least with my tools) with just the rear tire off, and the 4 leaf spring mount bolts (2 on either side of the triangle) removed. You can only get the mount so far up while the other side of the spring is still attached to the main pivot.

    I ended up removing the triangle and then removing the leaf spring mount last night, and I'm glad I did. About half the bolts were under torqued, 2 of them were rather loose. My best guess is this is after ~1100 miles of riding.

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    Dang this bike is fun! Definitely takes a while to dial in the suspension, but once you do...hang on! I've only made some minor changes that I think make the bike better for my riding style (Southwest US..desert, rocks. etc.):
    - Put on an X01 eagle cassette (so nice). Shifts so smooth and it's really just a freakin' beautiful thing to look at. Wish it came on there stock.
    - Put on a 32t oval SRAM chainring.I ride ovals on my other bikes, but wanted to try the round again. Rode the round for 150 miles and felt way more fatigue than I expected after my rides. Finally decided to throw the oval on there and I'm never going back to round! It's so weird. I can't explain it and am not smart enough to. But the fatigue is less and I can push harder for longer. I'll be sticking with ovals.
    - Changed tires to Continental 2.4 Der Kaiser (front) and 2.4 Trail King (rear) new models Protection Apex. Was hesitant to do this because I've never tried Conti tires before, but I must say I really, really like these! Feel so much better than the Schwalbe's that came on there. Not that I really had any problems with the Schwalbe's, grip was fine, but I wanted a little more volume. The Conti's are working out great for me and just 'feel' so much better (not as harsh albeit a little heavier...I don't notice the weight they roll nice). Also, that 2.4 Trail king is a big volume tire! It barely fits in the rear.

    Looking for some recommendations on the following:
    - Creaky saddle. Ugh! So annoying. Anyone have a method for making this thing quiet?
    - Water bottle holder. It's a tight fit (using the spot bottle). Using an aluminum one now, but I can tell it's starting to bend out of shape because of the tight fit. Anyone use a side loader here with good results? Or any other bottle holder that works well?
    - Rocks getting stuck atop the leaf spring. I keep getting rocks jammed in the top of the leaf spring and have to pry them out during my rides. This can't be good long-term. Anyone try anything to resolve this?

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    I've got the Blackburn Ckutch side load bottle cage on my Rollik and it's working out well.

    Bike needs a bath, but rig up something like this to keep rocks off your Living Link:

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    Awesome I'll look that up.
    That looks like a great solution to keep rocks out. I'll definitely try rigging something up like that. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by thesingletrakmind View Post
    I've got the Blackburn Ckutch side load bottle cage on my Rollik and it's working out well.

    Bike needs a bath, but rig up something like this to keep rocks off your Living Link:

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    for the creaking saddle, I suspect one of two things.

    1) dropper clamp on the saddle rails. I recommend greasing the saddle rails and re-torquing the saddle clamp on the dropper. This dropper needs a bit more torque than others.

    2) saddle creaking where the rails insert into the saddle. My WTB silverado just started doing this. Try dripping some wax-based chain lube in the spots where the rails contact the saddle. If this makes it go away, you know this is the issue. I've had to warranty my silverado for this exact reason. The creak kept coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesingletrakmind View Post
    I've got the Blackburn Ckutch side load bottle cage on my Rollik and it's working out well.

    Bike needs a bath, but rig up something like this to keep rocks off your Living Link:

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    SPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-spotflap.jpg

    Fixed it for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSteedSS View Post
    - Put on an X01 eagle cassette (so nice). Shifts so smooth and it's really just a freakin' beautiful thing to look at. Wish it came on there stock.
    They'll put one on for a very reasonable upcharge.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSteedSS View Post
    - Water bottle holder. It's a tight fit (using the spot bottle). Using an aluminum one now, but I can tell it's starting to bend out of shape because of the tight fit. Anyone use a side loader here with good results? Or any other bottle holder that works well?
    I put a fidlock magnetic holder on the bottom of the downtube when I want extra water, there's no traditional cage hanging down when you're not using it. I'm wondering if one of the smaller ones fits inside the cage too since the blackburn (?) side loader I have is way to grippy and the bottle still rubs my shock coming in and out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relder View Post


    Fixed it for you
    Haha perfect!

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    Anyone try a 27.5 wheel on the back while leaving the 29 up front? Thinking it’d be fun to try with a 2.6 or 2.8 27.5 back there...

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    I have. I really liked the way it cornered. I ran 27.5x2.6. I'd probably do 27.5x2.5 with a 29x2.5 up front for full-time.

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    SPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_1266.jpgSPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_1265.jpg Someone asked about bottles, I put the small fidlock bottle on my xmas wish list and got it, I should've asked for the big one since it fits perfectly. The smart thing to do would've been to install the big one in the triangle first to see if it fits before just asking for the small one. Large frame.

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    ^^^ How do you like how they go on and off? Is it something you can do underway or do you need to stop?
    What, me worry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesingletrakmind View Post
    I've got the Blackburn Ckutch side load bottle cage on my Rollik and it's working out well.

    Bike needs a bath, but rig up something like this to keep rocks off your Living Link:

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    That looks like an Ethan fix...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight70 View Post
    That looks like an Ethan fix...?
    Yep!

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    Recently built up a 29er front wheel to try a mullet setup.
    Interestingly the rekon 29x2.6 came out to be 67mm wide on an i29 rim
    and the rekon+ 27.5x2.8 came out to 69mm wide on an i34 rim

    The wheel without tire came out to be 20grams heavier. Though the rekon 29x2.6 3c/maxx is supposed to be 780 and the rekon+ 2.8 dual is supposed to be 825. So overall nearly identical.

    Will go for a ride in the next couple of days to see how it feels.



    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSteedSS View Post
    Anyone try a 27.5 wheel on the back while leaving the 29 up front? Thinking it’d be fun to try with a 2.6 or 2.8 27.5 back there...

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    Anyone know what's going on with Spot? They are selling off all their demo mountain bikes and marking down all their new mountain bikes. New design on the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    New design on the way?
    hope so, i am ready to give them another try, since they are local and 5 min from house and cool guys, if they end up addressing all the issues i pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavo View Post
    hope so, i am ready to give them another try, since they are local and 5 min from house and cool guys, if they end up addressing all the issues i pointed out.
    Sorry if I missed it, but I'm curious what these issues are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Anyone know what's going on with Spot? They are selling off all their demo mountain bikes and marking down all their new mountain bikes. New design on the way?
    At their Demo back in October I asked what changes were coming in the 2020 model of the Mayhem, and I got a hem-haw vague-ish response - suggesting that, there are changes coming out to the models....

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    It Is going to be interesting to see what they come out with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9GUY9 View Post
    I had my maiden ride on my Mayhem this afternoon. What a rad bike, this thing just wants to get after it! Probably the best pedaling FS bike I've ever ridden. Most recently I'm coming from a couple Salsa split pivot bikes. The latest of which I m replacing, because at a Medium it was too small. Oddly enough my Large Mayhem rides and feels like a smaller bike than the Horsethief. I am still getting the suspension sorted on the Mayhem, but so far I'm digging it!


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    Sweet! Did you weigh it? Does anyone know the weights with the new build kits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Anyone know what's going on with Spot? They are selling off all their demo mountain bikes and marking down all their new mountain bikes. New design on the way?
    Seems the sale is gone off their new bikes now. Was hoping they would keep the sale going on the Mayhem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Seems the sale is gone off their new bikes now. Was hoping they would keep the sale going on the Mayhem.
    Want my large frame? It's just had a full bearing replacement and torque check on the leaf spring bolts. I want to move to an eMTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight70 View Post
    Want my large frame? It's just had a full bearing replacement and torque check on the leaf spring bolts. I want to move to an eMTB.
    I'm 5'8" with 32" inseam. Probably need a medium.

    And I would want a whole bike, not just the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I'm 5'8" with 32" inseam. Probably need a medium.

    And I would want a whole bike, not just the frame.
    You're leg-long! I'm 6' and have a 33" inseam. But yeah, I think a large would be too long.

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    *Slight rant*

    Ok so I'm really getting frustrated that they designed the rear to fit a 2.35 tire. It really limits the tire choices! The Schwalbe tires get destroyed in the rocky terrain in Southwest AZ. Ripping knobs off after a couple of rides. In the trash they went. I put a Conti Der Kaiser up front and love it (2.4). I tried a Trail King 2.4 in the rear, but it barely fit and I could see where it would rub the frame. And it feels slow because off the wide spacing in the tread. The Trail King 2.4 is a very large 2.4. Then I tried the Trail King 2.2. That felt too small and narrow and not confidence inspiring especially when braking in looser stuff. I now have a Vittoria Agarro 2.35 on the rear and am liking it, but it doesn't seem the tread is going to last long in the rocks. It has great traction and braking, but one 22 mi. ride in rocks and it looks like it is going to get shredded soon. I really don't want to go Maxxis. So where does that leave me? Unsatisfied lol. Anyone try fitting the Der Kaiser in the rear? The volume of it looks just a little bit smaller than the 2.4 trail king, but I never measured it. So far I really like the durability of the Conti tires. They seem to take rocks like a boss, but don't feel harsh. I just wish they had more options! Looked at the mountain king but it doesn't have Protection Apex which I really want for the rear. I may just buy another Kaiser and try it in the rear and see what happens. My discarded tire pile is getting huge *single tear*

    I absolutely love this bike though. Just wish the rear could fit a slightly larger tire.
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    Why don't you want to use Maxxis? Instead of solving your problem with a 2.3" DHR or Aggressor (or even a 2.4" Dissector), you'd rather use tires that are inferior or don't suit your needs? Makes sense.

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    I've been pleasantly surprised with my stock 27.5+ 2.8 Schwalbe Rocket Ron durability around Tucson, AZ. I figured when I first got the bike I'd want to switch 'em out for some reason, but I've since converted my XC bike fronts to Schwalbe as well (after a disastrous Specialized experience).

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    Yeah I'm running out of options. Out of the Maxxis offerings I would be leaning towards the Aggressor.

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    If you want braking confidence in Arizona, I recommend a dissector or dhr2. My dissector sits quite tall for a 2.4 though. Sounds like a 2.3 dhr2 is the ticket.

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    Does anyone here have experience with using Spot's Hot Tomato touch-up paint? I thought I'd ask before throwing down $25 for something that's superficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Does anyone here have experience with using Spot's Hot Tomato touch-up paint? I thought I'd ask before throwing down $25 for something that's superficial.
    What do you mean by superficial? I have it and use it on my red mayhem. It's bomber paint, but its relatively thick so it won't blend seamlessly with paint chips and the color/sheen are slightly off from the factory paint so on close inspection it's easy to pick out the spots that have been touched up. Looks better then paint scrapes etc still though. Easy to apply.
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    Superficial meaning I probably shouldn't even bother. Most of the paint scraped off is in the cable housing holes and a tiny spec on the top tube. Two drops would be too much paint.

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    Hey folks. I have about 300 miles on my mayhem and it has started to freak every time I lean on the bars one way or another. I have double checked the bolts for the stem to the bars and they are at the recommended torque setting. This creak isn’t a one time thing. If I am pumping left to right as I am riding it freaks on both side back and forth constantly. Could there be something else wrong besides the bars that I should be looking at?

    Is there a possibility that headset bearing could have a problem with a bike that only has 300 miles on it?

    Any insight could be helpful. Thanks.

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    It's not too hard to pull out the fork, clean up the upper and lower headset bearings, and the bearing cups, regrease and re-install. Have you tried that? I've noticed (maybe due to the HT angle) that a wear mark will start to form on the lower bearing. Each time I service my fork I'm sure to rotate that bearing about a quarter turn to try and get even wear.

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    On my raceface stem and bar I get some side-to-side creaking. I assumed it was the stem/bar interface. I just happened to develop a tiny bit of play in my headset after 1.5+ years and just took it apart, cleaned, lubed, adjusted preload, no more play, but I haven't ridden it yet. I'll try and remember to report back if that was a cure on my ride tomorrow.

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    Thanks for the feedback fellas. I will need to order some grease since I don’t have any. What grease do you guys recommend for the headset bearings, cup etc?

    I haven’t tried pulling the fork and inspecting the bearings. I will gladly do so once I order up the right grease and have everything needed to out it all back together nicely.

    I will also take apart the stem and handlebars and give that area a good cleaning and maybe throw on some fiber paste (don’t have) or Park Tool ASC-1 (have this and used it when I installed my pedals. I am assuming I can use this on the bars/stem) before putting the bars back in place and torquing it down.

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    Has anyone ever lost a significant amount of pressure in their rear shock? Like from 150 lbs down to 50 lbs? I hope this isn't a serious problem and just some weird one time thing. What would it indicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by relder View Post
    I'll try and remember to report back if that was a cure on my ride tomorrow.
    Nope, my creak is still there, the front end feels a lot better though.

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    I will need to order some grease since I don’t have any. What grease do you guys recommend for the headset bearings, cup etc?
    Right or wrong I just used some Park Tool grease in a blue tube.

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    I have a question for you guys. The Mayhem is on my short list of bikes right now. It is also the only bike I am interested in with just a 5 year warranty. Have any of you had problems with the frames on these bikes and if so how was it dealing with Spot? I'm a bigger guy and am just curious. I cracked a seat tube to top tube junction on my 2015 Giant Anthem 29er I have now but it was handled quickly with no problems.

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    Squeak/Creak

    Maybe this will help someone who has a similar problem.

    I have had my Mayhem 29 since Feb 2019. About six or seven months ago I started hearing a squeak/creak when pedaling. The sound appeared to come from the rear but it was hard to tell. It occurred whenever either foot was at a 2 o'clock position, I was pedaling, and I was usually going 8mph or faster.

    I went through a number of items which included checking the torque on all points that could be torqued, rebuilt the derailleur, aligned the hanger, pulled the crank, checked the cassette, and checked the front gear.

    Finally, this past week, I took the rear I9 Torch hub apart. While the axle and bearings were still in the hub I noticed that there was a lateral movement (along the axis of the axle) of about 1mm.

    I removed the bearings and they appeared to be fine. I repressed them and found no lateral movement. I took the bike out today for a test run and there is no squeak/creak.

    So, somehow one or both of the bearings must have worked loose a tiny bit and this is what caused the noise.

    Also, I used Dumond bearing grease (not oil) on the I9 pawls and springs and the hub is now almost whisper quiet. It is much better than the really loud noise that was endemic to the Torch hubs.

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    Anyone try running an angleset of their spot (Mayhem or Rollik)? I want to try riding the bike with the head angle down to around 65 degrees. If I did that do you think i should also use a shorter offset fork to bring the front wheel in a little? That would keep weight over the front wheel and keep the wheelbase from stretching out too far. Would like to hear from anyone who has done that beforw i go ahead and mess around.

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    IMO, a shorter offset will have an inconsequential effect on wheelbase and weight distribution. What it does have a somewhat significant effect on is trail. Decreasing HTA increases trail. Going to a shorter offset increases trail, so both changes are in the same direction, which is the direction of more high speed and descending stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    IMO, a shorter offset will have an inconsequential effect on wheelbase and weight distribution. What it does have a somewhat significant effect on is trail. Decreasing HTA increases trail. Going to a shorter offset increases trail, so both changes are in the same direction, which is the direction of more high speed and descending stability.
    Any idea what effect decreasing head angle by 1 degree would do? Better at descending but what would be the disadvantage?

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    Does anyone have or know what the sale pricing was on the 5, 6 star builds on the Ryve and Mayhem?

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    I own a Mayhem and recently broke my Living Link. I figured my experience would be interesting info for potential Spot buyers, and possibly helpful for current owners who may find themselves in the same situation.

    I bought my Mayhem used last October. It was in like new condition and I suspect the original owner rode it very little. I am a 250lb rider who rides fairly aggressively. I broke a carbon Salsa frame in 2018, Salsa was great with a warranty replacement. I broke the replacement frame in 2019. Salsa again warrantied that frame. I decided to try something else after breaking 2 Salsa's. So I bought my Mayhem.

    06-18-20 I was riding my local trails. I went off a very small (4-6" of air under my tires) jump and when I landed my rear tire came up until it stopped against the back of my seat tube. I hopped off my bike to see this. Where the "Spot" graphic is worn off is where the tire made contact. Based on the red dirt in 2/3 of the crack I believe it cracked on my previous ride, in the Mn Iron range.
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    So I walk back to my truck and call Spot. I tell them what happened and ask how I can get a new link. I made it know I'd bought the bike used and would pay for a replacement. The person I spoke with sounded genuinely surprised I broke it and sorry for it happening. He asked me to email them pics and said they would get it taken care of. I sent all these photos and then some. The next day I got a email from Spot asking for my address. They were sending me a shipping label. I needed to tear down the frame and send it to them to have the leaf spring replaced.

    I responded late that day (Friday) letting them know I had already removed the link and taken the broken leaf spring out. I asked if they could just send me a replacement leaf spring and I would install and reassemble it. I explained I am proficient repairing complex machines, as a career mechanic. I also asked if there is any sort of heavier leaf spring, since I am a heavier rider. Here is what the living link consists of. Theres a lot going on in the link, and its not light.
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    The following Monday Spot replied that they can not send me just the leaf spring, I need to send in the whole frame and shock. They also do not have a heavier spring, but me breaking it was a fluke and it would not happen again.

    06-24-20 I tore down my frame, boxed it up and dropped it off with fed ex.

    07-02-20 Spot let me know my frame was repaired and waiting for FedEx. I asked if i could purchase a spare carbon leaf spring to have with me should I brake it again. Spot responded they do not sell just the leaf spring, and it will not break.

    07-07-20 FedEx delivered my repaired frame. Just as I had sent out, but with a new leaf spring.
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    So all and all, Spot warrantied my broken leaf spring no questions asked. Plus shipped the bike to them and back to me on their dime. They never once questioned me buying the bike second hand. It does seam a little silly to me that they will not send,or sell a replacement leaf spring. It would save them the cost of shipping a frame 2 ways, and greatly reduce the down time for the rider. I also would feel a lot more comfortable taking the bike on bike trips if I had a replacement spring with me. As I did manage to break one in less than a years riding.

    Now I just need to get it built back up so I can get back to riding this very awesome bike!

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    You are the first person that I know of to break a Living Link. I have had my Mayhem for 3 years and have put it through the wringer. I get the suspension serviced and it rides like new. I honestly wasn't sure it was possible to break that until your post.

    With how rare of an occurrence this is I am sure they want to go through the frame to ensure everything else is alright before they just send out a new link. They are relatively new to the full squish game, I'd imagine they also wanna see it in person to learn from it. Travel with a derailleur hanger and call it good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9GUY9 View Post
    06-18-20 I was riding my local trails. I went off a very small (4-6" of air under my tires) jump and when I landed my rear tire came up until it stopped against the back of my seat tube.
    To me this indicates your shock is not set up properly.

    Kinda not surprised at all that you broke the leaf spring.

    There was a link circulating around last year about a guy who did something similar (took a small jump etc.) and broke his frame. Same issue...shock wasn't set up properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    To me this indicates your shock is not set up properly.

    Kinda not surprised at all that you broke the leaf spring.

    There was a link circulating around last year about a guy who did something similar (took a small jump etc.) and broke his frame. Same issue...shock wasn't set up properly.
    The tire hit the frame AFTER the link broke. At that point the only thing connecting the rear triangle was the upper link, and a brake hose strung tight as a guitar string. I am quite confident my shock was set properly. Spot requested I send the shock to them with the frame. I am guessing to check the pressure in it. They did not say anything about it when they returned the frame.

    I assume the guy you are referring to who broke the frame is the You Tuber, The single track sampler. He was riding a Rollink, apparently the early ones had a link that would contact the frame at full compression. It is my understanding Spot revised the link, and replaced the earlier ones.

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    Thanks for sharing your experience 9guy9. Pretty cool of them to replace that even though you're the second owner. And super interesting that your lead spring broke. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

    I sure love the feel of that living link, there's nothing else like it.

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    OH MAN! Spot just dropped the new Mayhems! 130 and now a 150

    150 has Fox 38 and Fox X2 shock in the 5 star build. Slacker geometry with a HI/LO geo adjust setting right on the shock mount. New Head Angles are 65/64.5 respectively. 31.0 lbs with the 5 star ($6199)

    New 130 has lower headset angle of 65.7/65.2 with a Fox 36 and a Fox DPS Evol shock, same Geo adjust. 28.5 lbs with the 5 star ($5999)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post
    OH MAN! Spot just dropped the new Mayhems! 130 and now a 150

    150 has Fox 38 and Fox X2 shock in the 5 star build. Slacker geometry with a HI/LO geo adjust setting right on the shock mount. New Head Angles are 65/64.5 respectively. 31.0 lbs with the 5 star ($6199)

    New 130 has lower headset angle of 65.7/65.2 with a Fox 36 and a Fox DPS Evol shock, same Geo adjust. 28.5 lbs with the 5 star ($5999)
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    Wow indeed! They are gunning for the Ripmo with the 150. Very similar numbers in size L. Could give it a run for best "all rounder" if the living link works it's magic on the bigger bike. Sucks that they won't arrive until November. Except for the 6 star builds which are slated for September. They took my money the moment I saw it.

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    Soft spot on the top tube!?!?

    Hey, can anyone else do a quick check on this? Right above the fwd shock mount on the top tube...see if you can squeeze the tube and see it flex in and bulge on the sides?

    I was setting up my backup shock so I can run the DPX2 to Ethan to get it serviced. I was pushing down on the frame w/ one hand there and an elbow on the saddle to check how even the front/fork and back was. I felt the top tube flex and thought something was wrong! When I squeezed it w/ both thumbs, I can see the tube flattening out and sides bulge!

    I'm a bit freaked out by this, enough so that I'm not riding it anymore and dialing in my Santa Cruz HT OG! That's a compression area and shouldn't be so thin as to be able to be flexed by your thumb! My frame is the Mayhem OG w/ the alloy link.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Why does the evolution of bikes always end up trending slacker instead of twitchier? I prefer a less slack bike even when bombing downhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Why does the evolution of bikes always end up trending slacker instead of twitchier? I prefer a less slack bike even when bombing downhill
    Yeah agree. I was bummed that Spot slackened the head angle on the new Mayhem. They should have just left it where it was at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Yeah agree. I was bummed that Spot slackened the head angle on the new Mayhem. They should have just left it where it was at.
    I'm not an expert on geometry, but even though the head angle is slackened, the shorter chain stays still keep you farther forward in CG compared to other bikes. It's a way to keep the bike playful while still remaining stable in the downhill. I think simply focusing on head angle is an incomplete analysis when you consider the entire frame geo specs (like fork offset, reach, chain stays, etc..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Why does the evolution of bikes always end up trending slacker instead of twitchier? I prefer a less slack bike even when bombing downhill
    Basically cuz longer/lower/slacker (and less fork offset) is less scary descending.
    What, me worry?

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    Twitchiest bike I ever owned was the original Bandit in a size that was a bit small for me (medium) and I would BOMB downhill on narrow singletracks. It had a super narrow wheelbase with barely enough clearance for the wheel with the fork flex (forget using a bottle cage). In my large Mahyem it's longer to correct course while in the Bandit I just had to touch the rear brake for a microsecond. On rocky uphills I could crawl uphill on the Bandit going a mile an hour which I definitely can't with the Mayhem.

    Slack seems to work better for the wider manicured easy trails and mainly on the downhill, at least it seems to me. I tried a Smuggler for a while and hated the lack of responsiveness. Just sloppy.

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    Hey everyone, I'm looking to upgrade my original Mayhem V1 wheels (stans arch and stans hubs) to the weareone composite wheels on onyx hubs. Problem is I can't figure out if I want to go with the "faction" model (27mm internal width) or "union" model (30mm internal width).

    Anyone got any opinions on 27/30mm internal width rims? Most of my riding is not very gnarly (midwest) but I travel often with my bike and being that I only have one, I want it to be versatile. Right now I have a DHF 2.5 up front and a nobby nic 2.3 in the back.

    Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Hey everyone, I'm looking to upgrade my original Mayhem V1 wheels (stans arch and stans hubs) to the weareone composite wheels on onyx hubs. Problem is I can't figure out if I want to go with the "faction" model (27mm internal width) or "union" model (30mm internal width).

    Anyone got any opinions on 27/30mm internal width rims? Most of my riding is not very gnarly (midwest) but I travel often with my bike and being that I only have one, I want it to be versatile. Right now I have a DHF 2.5 up front and a nobby nic 2.3 in the back.

    Thanks guys.
    What is the drive for wheel change? I have thought about it as well but haven’t gotten around to it. Isn’t that combo with hubs actually a little heavier than the stans arch (MK3) wheels?

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    I had worked out the weight numbers at one point, (and that piece of paper is sitting in my office which I haven't been to since March) but yeah, there wasn't much of a difference. The drive is how they feel. When I originally demoed the mayhem, the one I rode had the enves on it and it felt great. Since then I've had a few friends swap over to carbon wheels and the way they feel through rougher terrain, corners and how fast they accelerate just feels better. I feel more connected to the ground. Are these good enough reasons to spend $1500+? No, but we're mountain bikers and find the silliest reasons to justify expensive purchases I'm not entirely sure yet if I'm going to pull the trigger on these, but I've been thinking about it for some time now.

    Oh, and those onyx hubs are pretty neat.

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    Does the Generation 1 Mayhem seem to be OK for cross country-ish riding without a lot of downhills or uphills?

    Kind of wondering how it would compare to my Niner Air 9 Hardtail as far as acceleration etc.

    I found one and I'm ready to pull the trigger on it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Does the Generation 1 Mayhem seem to be OK for cross country-ish riding without a lot of downhills or uphills?

    Kind of wondering how it would compare to my Niner Air 9 Hardtail as far as acceleration etc.

    I found one and I'm ready to pull the trigger on it today.
    yes, this is type of riding where i felt the bike was doing really well. unfortunately i wasnt doing much of that kind of riding so it had to go. also, if i was picking a bike for what you describe, and was set on Spot, i would go with Ryve.

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    75% of my riding is in Northern IL and Southern WI. I don't race, just ride for fun, and the bike serves me well. It is not as quick as my first generation Ripley, but it's a lot more fun. If I had a complaint (at least on my more "XC"ish trails) it's that it doesn't perform as well in the tight windy stuff, but it's a long bike (especially my size XL with a 36 up front) It is probably a little heavy for an XC bike but still works for what I need. That being said, I love taking it on vacations to Colorado, Arizona, etc. I don't have any regrets.

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    I'm in north/central WI and ride a lot of the trails in the northern part of the state. At 5'8" I'd be on medium. A few of them have some nice ups and downs.

    The slacker head tube angle has me wondering on how it will handle compared to the steeper head tube angle of my Niner.

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    Hard to tell without demoing. I'm assuming you will notice it (as I did) but I didn't mind. I appreciated the extra stability at speed and on the steeps. But again, I don't race, although I like going as fast as I can

    If you're on a climb that is mostly straight, the head angle really isn't an issue (for me) as the seat angle is so steep. The bike does climb well considering it's HA. It's the tight windy stuff that the HA has a (slight) impact on. Again, my opinion.

    Cavo mentioned the Ryve, which I agree with if you're only sticking to XC trails in WI. However, I feel the Mayhem is more versatile if you plan on riding a variety of trails. Few weeks back I rode XC trails around Minneapolis, then headed up to Copper Harbor for a few laps. The Mayhem handled it all just fine.

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    I'm on the fence with the Mayhem 130. Buddy of mine was saying they're ordering/return policy is BS though. New Mayhems aren't coming in until end of october but if you order now they hit your card in full. If you cancel the bike order before the bike arrives they also charge you a 2% "return fee" I don't think other bike companies do this. Hmmmmm.....

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    I'd try communicating directly with Spot. They'll give you the most up-to-date and accurate information.

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    Im waiting for the reviews once the bike officially launches...$8k is a lot of dinero and I don't care what bicycling mag says...for now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    I'm on the fence with the Mayhem 130. Buddy of mine was saying they're ordering/return policy is BS though. New Mayhems aren't coming in until end of october but if you order now they hit your card in full. If you cancel the bike order before the bike arrives they also charge you a 2% "return fee" I don't think other bike companies do this. Hmmmmm.....
    They do charge your card in full when you order. Likely helps them finance their purchase orders. Financing in sporting goods is tough for smaller companies. I personally saw no issue paying them upfront when I ordered a month ago but thats a personal decision.

    I see really no difference in owing money at end of October or a month ago. How much interest can one earn on that money in two months time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith001 View Post
    They do charge your card in full when you order. Likely helps them finance their purchase orders. Financing in sporting goods is tough for smaller companies. I personally saw no issue paying them upfront when I ordered a month ago but thats a personal decision.

    I see really no difference in owing money at end of October or a month ago. How much interest can one earn on that money in two months time?
    That's your personal situation, which applies to you only. For a lot of people, $5-7k is a LOT of money to put towards a bike they won't see for months. The way things are going for a lot of bike companies, their expected delivery dates are way past when they are estimating given the shitty state of the supply chain right now.

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    Yeah. Basically, you're funding their business. When banks fund a business through loans, they get paid interest. When capital markets do it through investment, they get stock. When eager mtbers fund a business through payment in full before an indeterminant delivery time, they get nada. A company doing that raises questions about their solvency and viability. That's perfectly OK if that's what you're up for. Personally, I'd be reluctant to do that.
    What, me worry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Rager View Post
    Yeah. Basically, you're funding their business. When banks fund a business through loans, they get paid interest. When capital markets do it through investment, they get stock. When eager mtbers fund a business through payment in full before an indeterminant delivery time, they get nada. A company doing that raises questions about their solvency and viability. That's perfectly OK if that's what you're up for. Personally, I'd be reluctant to do that.
    I am not getting nada for it. I moved forward with the understanding of what I was doing. I am getting a frame from a smaller company that may not be in business or may have to charge higher prices if I and others weren’t willing to pay in advance.

    And it’s not just banks and equity markets that finance business. Customers can as well for a component of it with certain payment policies, such as here. I further have no concerns about their solvency as I could dispute my CC charge if they went out of business and left me high and dry.

    As I said in my original post, and the poster above reiterated for me, it’s a personal decision and we all value things differently. No right or wrong here just different comfort levels with policies.

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    seems like a really nice bike though.....

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    I pulled the trigger today and purchased a gen 1 mayhem. Hopefully it goes well.

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    I'm sitting tight. All these bike companies, Spot, Revel, Ibis, none of them have bikes right now. Not at least shipping until November. No rush, waiting for dust to settle across the board then making a decision on which direction to head in. Just not sure yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    I'm sitting tight. All these bike companies, Spot, Revel, Ibis, none of them have bikes right now. Not at least shipping until November. No rush, waiting for dust to settle across the board then making a decision on which direction to head in. Just not sure yet.
    Jenson and Pro Bike Supply...Both have plenty of Ibis bikes that ship now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibum1 View Post
    I'm sitting tight. All these bike companies, Spot, Revel, Ibis, none of them have bikes right now. Not at least shipping until November. No rush, waiting for dust to settle across the board then making a decision on which direction to head in. Just not sure yet.
    Agreed. Keeping my Trek Fuel running until next season. I'm wavering between Spot and Revel right now, but that Rascal is exactly what I'm looking for, especially since Spot lessened the suspension on their 130 Mayhem.

    It will be interesting to see if these bike companies over produce for the coming season with all of the demand that may or may not be there next year.

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    Rascal not shipping until january long cold winter indeed......

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    Just received my new Generation 1 Mayhem yesterday. All I can say is wow!!! It climbs well, it descends well. No problems on the ups or down when things get tight and twisty. And I noticed zero pedal bob going up the hills. The Living Link is the real deal.

    I bought the bike without being able to demo it. At 5'8" with 32" inseam the medium was a perfect fit. Felt comfortable right away.

    Didn't get much of a ride in due to lack of time. Need to dial in the fork settings. At 180-190 lbs where are most of you finding the best all around setting is for the high speed/low speed compression and high speed/low speed rebound?
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    Hey man, congrats! Check out Spot's website (documentation section) for the mayhem suspension setup guide. That will get you half way there, and you'll just need to tweak from there.

    One thing to note, the rear shock air pressure settings seem to be a little more difficult to dial in on this bike then others, due to the living link. A few psi +/- will have a bigger difference than what you're probably use to on other bikes. At least that's what I and others here have felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    Hey man, congrats! Check out Spot's website (documentation section) for the mayhem suspension setup guide. That will get you half way there, and you'll just need to tweak from there.

    One thing to note, the rear shock air pressure settings seem to be a little more difficult to dial in on this bike then others, due to the living link. A few psi +/- will have a bigger difference than what you're probably use to on other bikes. At least that's what I and others here have felt.
    I set the rear shock pressure set to my weight and left it in the open position. That seemed to be OK. After riding, the O-ring had about a 1/4" left before it would fall off the end of the shaft. I think that's OK for now.

    Thanks for the tip on the suspension set up. I will check the Spot site.

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    Is the chain suppose to be this close to the chainstay on the smallest cog? This doesn't look right.

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    Mine looks similar. I do have some signs of chain rub on the inside of the frame by the cassette. It hasn't affected the ride, and only took a bit of paint off (cosmetic damage).

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    Hmmmm... That doesn't seem right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Is the chain suppose to be this close to the chainstay on the smallest cog? This doesn't look right.

    Yeah, pretty much all my bikes from past few years have/had the similar clearance.

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