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    So, Race Face BSA30 BB + one spacer on the drive side BB cup + Next SL G4, and non-Boost OneUp Switch Cinch spider put the ring miiiiiiight close to the rear mech housing strap-down bolt. I think I need to put a Boost spider on the cranks!

    Also, 23mm inner width rim w/ the E-Thirteen TRS+ 29x2.35 tire is tiiiight! You'll need to squeeze the rear wheel into the dropout, and there's less than 3/16" clearance between the tire and chainstay yoke at the BB. I think I need to change the rear tire out to a 2.3 DHR2 just to get some room back there for rocks to fall thru.

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    I ride a Canfield EPO and an Ibis Ripley LS. I love both bikes. I am looking to add a third, longer travel bike to my quiver. My Local trails are southwest Pennsylvania. Typical rooty, rocky eastern USA terrain. Not a ton of elevation drop. I am looking for a longer travel bike because I make a few trips a year to Pisgah National Forest. Brevard and Asheville area. Super chunky trails. Lots of Gnar. I also do some riding and racing in West Virginia which is super rocky. My question is do you think the MAYHEM is different enough from my Ripley LS to add to my quiver. I was looking for something with at least 140mm frame travel but can't stop reading and thinking about the Mayhem. I would build it with 140mm fork and on the all mountain side of things. The Mayhem seems really intriguing. But it's still only 10mm more travel than my Ripley. But I can see it being a great all around bike that could be more capable than my Ripley. I do love a bike that can climb. And the Mayhem seems to fit that bill. Thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    I ride a Canfield EPO and an Ibis Ripley LS. I love both bikes. I am looking to add a third, longer travel bike to my quiver. My Local trails are southwest Pennsylvania. Typical rooty, rocky eastern USA terrain. Not a ton of elevation drop. I am looking for a longer travel bike because I make a few trips a year to Pisgah National Forest. Brevard and Asheville area. Super chunky trails. Lots of Gnar. I also do some riding and racing in West Virginia which is super rocky. My question is do you think the MAYHEM is different enough from my Ripley LS to add to my quiver. I was looking for something with at least 140mm frame travel but can't stop reading and thinking about the Mayhem. I would build it with 140mm fork and on the all mountain side of things. The Mayhem seems really intriguing. But it's still only 10mm more travel than my Ripley. But I can see it being a great all around bike that could be more capable than my Ripley. I do love a bike that can climb. And the Mayhem seems to fit that bill. Thoughts?


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    Trailflo in Pittsburgh has a demo. I am in Maryland and it works well here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Trailflo in Pittsburgh has a demo. I am in Maryland and it works well here.

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    Funny you should say that. I just called Tom (Trailflo) and set up a demo for tomorrow. I live in the Pittsburgh area and ride with the trailflo crew often. Great people. Have to rode your Mojo since you got the Mayhem Bogeydog?


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    Funny you should say that. I just called Tom (Trailflo) and set up a demo for tomorrow. I live in the Pittsburgh area and ride with the trailflo crew often. Great people. Have to rode your Mojo since you got the Mayhem Bogeydog?


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    No. I switched the parts over to the Mayhem so the Mojo 3 is naked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    So, Race Face BSA30 BB + one spacer on the drive side BB cup + Next SL G4, and non-Boost OneUp Switch Cinch spider put the ring miiiiiiight close to the rear mech housing strap-down bolt. I think I need to put a Boost spider on the cranks!

    Also, 23mm inner width rim w/ the E-Thirteen TRS+ 29x2.35 tire is tiiiight! You'll need to squeeze the rear wheel into the dropout, and there's less than 3/16" clearance between the tire and chainstay yoke at the BB. I think I need to change the rear tire out to a 2.3 DHR2 just to get some room back there for rocks to fall thru.
    How big is that E13? I was riding 2.4 DHR2 WT on 36 inner with no issues.

    And as much as I like my Mayhem there isnt any point in having it and a Ripley. MY buddy rides a Ripley and I really like it but you'd have two bikes for basically the same purpose and trails. N+1, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    I ride a Canfield EPO and an Ibis Ripley LS. I love both bikes. I am looking to add a third, longer travel bike to my quiver. My Local trails are southwest Pennsylvania. Typical rooty, rocky eastern USA terrain. Not a ton of elevation drop. I am looking for a longer travel bike because I make a few trips a year to Pisgah National Forest. Brevard and Asheville area. Super chunky trails. Lots of Gnar. I also do some riding and racing in West Virginia which is super rocky. My question is do you think the MAYHEM is different enough from my Ripley LS to add to my quiver. I was looking for something with at least 140mm frame travel but can't stop reading and thinking about the Mayhem. I would build it with 140mm fork and on the all mountain side of things. The Mayhem seems really intriguing. But it's still only 10mm more travel than my Ripley. But I can see it being a great all around bike that could be more capable than my Ripley. I do love a bike that can climb. And the Mayhem seems to fit that bill. Thoughts?


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    Lets us know how you like the demo Mayham compared to your LS Ripley!! I almost bought the Ripley before the bought my Fuel EX 9.9, I can't wait to compare the Mayham to my Fuel that I love and not selling.

    I have also noticed the lack of tire clearance back there, I'm swapping out Racing Ralph's 2.35 for Maxxis Icon 2.35 that are huge volume tires. I hope I can fit them. I going with 46 WolfTooth on my Sram XO1 11 speed cassette and 30 tooth AB Oval chain ring, should have plenty of range and only gained only 10 grams over the old Sram 42 tooth alloy cog. I think Thursday the day for completion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Lets us know how you like the demo Mayham compared to your LS Ripley!! I almost bought the Ripley before the bought my Fuel EX 9.9, I can't wait to compare the Mayham to my Fuel that I love and not selling.

    I have also noticed the lack of tire clearance back there, I'm swapping out Racing Ralph's 2.35 for Maxxis Icon 2.35 that are huge volume tires. I hope I can fit them, I think Thursday the day for completion.
    Yeah if nothing else the Demo ride will give me a good comparison to my Ripley. I will then contemplate maybe swapping everything over to the Mayhem and selling the Rip. Should be a ripping good time. The tire clearance has me slightly worried as there is always peanut butter mud around me here. Excited to hear your review of the Mayham.


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    I have 27.5 2.8s and they are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I have 27.5 2.8s and they are fine.

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    Which tires are you using and on what rim? Do you know if a 3.0 would fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I have 27.5 2.8s and they are fine.

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    I meant to say 29er tire clearance


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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Which tires are you using and on what rim? Do you know if a 3.0 would fit?

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    Ibis 742, not sure about 3.0

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    This bike effing rips. A ripping good time. More stable and monster truckish than the Rip. Still playful and poppy. Handles almost as good as the Rip. High speed Chunder was just straight line through. Really fun bike. Steep seat tube angle makes climbing a breeze. Better than the Rip. More centered body position. I have been wanting a little more travel bike and this seems to be a good compromise. The living link leaf spring is amazing. I loved the feel of the suspension. I left it open the whole time. Having the steep STA with the seat slammed gave me so much room to get back and low. Loved it. The geo is perfect. I like it a lot. It's definitely a different bike than my Ripley. But I don't see me needing both bikes. I don't see me getting off the Mayhem to ride the Rip. The Mayhem handles the big square hits and high speed chunder so much better. I think I will be selling the Ripley and moving everything over to a black Mayhem. I will need a boost wheelset though. Might sell the frame and fork and try to pick up an MRP Ribbon. Here are a few pics. I had a 2.5 DHF on the front and a 2.4 DHR on the rear. Clearance was good. SPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_4262.jpgSPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_4270.jpgSPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_4265.jpgSPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_4269.jpgSPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-img_4267.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Ibis 742, not sure about 3.0

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    The Mayham has arrived here in DE, weight as is with pedals 26.96. Tomorrow will be the shakedown ride, front end is definitely lower than the Fuel EX with equal spacers under stem. I like the way the front end feels just riding around the house. Check it out!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Well it looks like the 150 dropper is not gonna work in my application 10mm too high, this really sucks now I have to go down to the 125 mm. Now build is going to be delayed a few more days again !!
    I don´t mean to advertise for my own benefits, but this might help, if another 150mm dropper is a bit too long:
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    I have in inseam of 88cm and I can run a 185 dropper in a large Mayhem. And I have about 15mm left to go deeper with the dropper into the frame.
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    Coolhand - Thanks. I've got a Ripley OG and I find your comparison very interessting for a future upgrade. Will a 2.6" tyre fit in the rear? I need at least to fit an Ardent 2.4" (60 mm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    This bike effing rips. A ripping good time. More stable and monster truckish than the Rip. Still playful and poppy. Handles almost as good as the Rip. High speed Chunder was just straight line through. Really fun bike. Steep seat tube angle makes climbing a breeze. Better than the Rip. More centered body position. I have been wanting a little more travel bike and this seems to be a good compromise. The living link leaf spring is amazing. I loved the feel of the suspension. I left it open the whole time. Having the steep STA with the seat slammed gave me so much room to get back and low. Loved it. The geo is perfect. I like it a lot. It's definitely a different bike than my Ripley. But I don't see me needing both bikes. I don't see me getting off the Mayhem to ride the Rip. The Mayhem handles the big square hits and high speed chunder so much better. I think I will be selling the Ripley and moving everything over to a black Mayhem. I will need a boost wheelset though. Might sell the frame and fork and try to pick up an MRP Ribbon. Here are a few pics. I had a 2.5 DHF on the front and a 2.4 DHR on the rear. Clearance was good. Click image for larger version. 

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    If you're thinking of a Ribbon I have a brand new one I'm selling. I got it and then changed my mind about the build I was doing. PM me if interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    Coolhand - Thanks. I've got a Ripley OG and I find your comparison very interessting for a future upgrade. Will a 2.6" tyre fit in the rear? I need at least to fit an Ardent 2.4" (60 mm).
    I don't think a 2.6" tyre will fit. Maybe a 2.5". An Ardent 2.4" will definitely fit. The DHR 2.4 WT I had on had nice clearance on the chainstay sides. Clearance is only a problem on this bike with very tall tires. The tires do get close to the yoke area.
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    Good feedback. I've emailed Spot about it too. I feel that 2.6" is a must for me, as I probably wouldn't bother with changing wheel sets between 29 and 27+. But, then again, having two wheel sets are sometimes what keeps you riding if one blows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    How big is that E13? I was riding 2.4 DHR2 WT on 36 inner with no issues.

    And as much as I like my Mayhem there isnt any point in having it and a Ripley. MY buddy rides a Ripley and I really like it but you'd have two bikes for basically the same purpose and trails. N+1, I know.
    Soooo...which are you selling, the Mayhem or the Ripley?

    The e13 grows LARGE! It's on par or even bigger than a 2.5 DHF, after it's stretched. But, I managed to rip a nob off and tore another 60% off...it's just flapping there! I need to email E13 and see if they'll hook me up w/ a replacement.

    I think the Minion WT tires are wide, but not tall. It's the tall tires I'm having issues with.

    Oh, the build is done, but no pics yet...finished it last night.

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    Hey, dumb question...
    Anyone else having issues w/ how close the ND crank arm comes to the brake hose strapping?

    I'm running Hope w/ their 5mm braided hose and Next SL G4. I ended up having to put a 2.5mm BB cup spacer on, take the pre-load collar off the crankarm and use a wavy spring washer and a 1mm alum spacer to get the spacing...and it's still only about 1.5mm away from that strap!

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    Spot says 2.4" is max for 29, 2.8" for 27+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Hey, dumb question...
    Anyone else having issues w/ how close the ND crank arm comes to the brake hose strapping?

    I'm running Hope w/ their 5mm braided hose and Next SL G4. I ended up having to put a 2.5mm BB cup spacer on, take the pre-load collar off the crankarm and use a wavy spring washer and a 1mm alum spacer to get the spacing...and it's still only about 1.5mm away from that strap!
    I have had both G4 and Sixc with no issues. The Race Face guidelines are sometimes wrong. The G4 on my Mojo3 required more spacing. I will need to check how I have mine setup on the Spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I have had both G4 and Sixc with no issues. The Race Face guidelines are sometimes wrong. The G4 on my Mojo3 required more spacing. I will need to check how I have mine setup on the Spot.

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    I've tried it w/ that strap in both up and down position. The up position is closer to the crank arm, but the hose tends to not need as much slack as the down position...closer to the pivot. I had it in the up position, and now down...but I think I'm gonna change it back to the up position again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I've tried it w/ that strap in both up and down position. The up position is closer to the crank arm, but the hose tends to not need as much slack as the down position...closer to the pivot. I had it in the up position, and now down...but I think I'm gonna change it back to the up position again.
    I see what you mean. Mine is close too and in the downward position. I highly doubt crank will ever flex that much at that point to hit and definitely not enough to be a concern. I could see maybe minimal change if housing was above clip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I see what you mean. Mine is close too and in the downward position. I highly doubt crank will ever flex that much at that point to hit and definitely not enough to be a concern. I could see maybe minimal change if housing was above clip.

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    I have a purple Hope BB coming. I'll mic it before mounting to see how I can tweak things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I have a purple Hope BB coming. I'll mic it before mounting to see how I can tweak things...
    I have 12.69mm between chainstay and end of crank with boot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I have 12.69mm between chainstay and end of crank with boot on.
    No no, that's not the issue...see arrows.SPOT Brand MAYHEM 29-crank-cable-strap.jpg

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    I understand. I was showing both because you can't have one without the other. At the arrows I have 2.86mm of gap. That is the closest that they come together on rotation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    I understand. I was showing both because you can't have one without the other. At the arrows I have 2.86mm of gap. That is the closest that they come together on rotation.

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    You're on SixC there? I wonder if the G4 has a different curvature right there?

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    Yes sixc. Didnt notice anything with g4 but not sure if different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Yes sixc. Didnt notice anything with g4 but not sure if different.

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    I have the G4 crank 170 mm and about 2.81 mm of gap using Chris king bottom bracket. I got rained on today on my first ride so I'll give it a few more days before I tell my feeling of the bike. One thing I will say this bike is very stiff in the rear and tracks really good. Small bumps are absorbed by this awesome suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I have the G4 crank 170 mm and about 2.81 mm of gap using Chris king bottom bracket. I got rained on today on my first ride so I'll give it a few more days before I tell my feeling of the bike. One thing I will say this bike is very stiff in the rear and tracks really good. Small bumps are absorbed by this awesome suspension.
    Make sure you find some jumps and drops. I find that I am surprised over and over how plush they are. Mainly because I know how the suspension firms up under pedaling and climbing. It's odd in a way because I haven't had this before in any bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Soooo...which are you selling, the Mayhem or the Ripley?

    The e13 grows LARGE! It's on par or even bigger than a 2.5 DHF, after it's stretched. But, I managed to rip a nob off and tore another 60% off...it's just flapping there! I need to email E13 and see if they'll hook me up w/ a replacement.

    I think the Minion WT tires are wide, but not tall. It's the tall tires I'm having issues with.

    Oh, the build is done, but no pics yet...finished it last night.
    After the Demo of the Mayhem yesterday. My plan is to strip the Rip and swap everything over to a black Mayhem frame then sell the Ripley frame. I will need to get a boost wheel set built. Thinking project 321 quiet hubs with We Are One hoops.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I have the G4 crank 170 mm and about 2.81 mm of gap using Chris king bottom bracket. I got rained on today on my first ride so I'll give it a few more days before I tell my feeling of the bike. One thing I will say this bike is very stiff in the rear and tracks really good. Small bumps are absorbed by this awesome suspension.
    I totally agree. Super stiff rear end. The bike goes exactly where you point it. All the small bumps were absorbed like riding on clouds. Simply amazing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Make sure you find some jumps and drops. I find that I am surprised over and over how plush they are. Mainly because I know how the suspension firms up under pedaling and climbing. It's odd in a way because I haven't had this before in any bike.

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    I hit some nice jumps and drops yesterday on my demo. My mind was blown on how plush the bike felt. Never has a bike I have rode firmed up so well for climbing and pedaling but felt so composed so plush on the big hits and drops. I flew through rock gardens with ease and a giant smile from ear to ear.


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    I am really surprised that the mags are not reviewing this bike. Granted it hasn't been out for too long. I feel fortunate to discovered it early, but also feel bad for those that won't ever know about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    Thinking project 321 quiet hubs with We Are One hoops.
    Yup, sitting on a set of the quiet in purple waiting on some Nextie premium 36s scored during their anniversary sale.
    Will be lacing them 2x long side, 3x short side with some purple polyax nipples and washers. Just can't decide on silver spokes or black. All my cable housing and hoses are silver/braided stainless steel...

    Oh, BTW, Ethan had got some Burgtec offset bushings and cut it down for me. 2mm offset on either end and the BB is at 13.5 w/ the HTA at a touch less than 65*. This is on a Float X2.

    Have you guys seen this!? This is w/ braided hoses!

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    [QUOTE=Pau11y;13276632]Yup, sitting on a set of the quiet in purple waiting on some Nextie premium 36s scored during their anniversary sale.
    Will be lacing them 2x long side, 3x short side with some purple polyax nipples and washers. Just can't decide on silver spokes or black. All my cable housing and hoses are silver/braided stainless steel...

    Oh, BTW, Ethan had got some Burgtec offset bushings and cut it down for me. 2mm offset on either end and the BB is at 13.5 w/ the HTA at a touch less than 65*. This is on a Float X2.

    Have you guys seen this!? This is w/ braided hoses!


    I like the Lilly nipples, the same guy that makes Lilly Lube. Each nipple individually anodized by him. His purple matches the purple on Project 321 hubs perfect. Chris King uses them!! With boost spacing aren't the spokes the same length both side? Dave at Speed Dreams does 2 cross for my wheels. I just sent out my rear wheel to him to have my rear LB blue sticker rear hub up graded to boost I told him to use DT Swiss 240 center lock hub since DT Swiss 240 boost is on the front already, but now I thinking to telling him use Project 321 hub instead. The only thing holding me back is I love the center lock hubs with my favorite Shimano Freeza Ice tech rotors. I wish they came in center lock!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    With boost spacing aren't the spokes the same length both side? Dave at Speed Dreams does 2 cross for my wheels. I just sent out my rear wheel to him to have my rear LB blue sticker rear hub up graded to boost I told him to use DT Swiss 240 center lock hub since DT Swiss 240 boost is on the front already, but now I thinking to telling him use Project 321 hub instead.
    No...not even at all. It's at min a couple of mm off. It might be the same if you use asymm rims, but I opt'd for symmetrical ones this round because I couldn't find one that had a sufficient inner width. The ones I'm getting have 29mm IW. I should have said shallow dish vs deeper dish, not long/short side.
    I went P321 because POE is important to me and how I climb tech/chunks. I have a set of wheels laced to some DT FR440s w/ the 54 POE clutch plate...I don't like it! I use those wheels for bike parks only. I'm typically on Kings w/ their 72 POE, or Hadleys w/ the same. The I9s I'm running on my HT are really good for stutter stepping up rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    No...not even at all. It's at min a couple of mm off. It might be the same if you use asymm rims, but I opt'd for symmetrical ones this round because I couldn't find one that had a sufficient inner width. The ones I'm getting have 29mm IW. I should have said shallow dish vs deeper dish, not long/short side.
    I went P321 because POE is important to me and how I climb tech/chunks. I have a set of wheels laced to some DT FR440s w/ the 54 POE clutch plate...I don't like it! I use those wheels for bike parks only. I'm typically on Kings w/ their 72 POE, or Hadleys w/ the same. The I9s I'm running on my HT are really good for stutter stepping up rocks.
    Yes that's what it was the NOX rims I have with p321 hubs, I remember Dave saying with the asymmetric rims the spokes were the same on both sides which are one of the benefits of them. I like the Hadleys also have them on my steel single speed hardtail. Great customer service to!

    One thing is for sure this Mayham needs a strong wheel, you will find yourself going much faster than what you normally do on your normal bike.

    I had a great ride today and discovered the light 27mm ex rims with 2.35 Maxxis Icons are not the wheels for this bike, not at Brandywine State Park in Wilmington DE. I was pinging the wheels off many rock gardens with 23psi front and 26 rear. This bike is so stable on the fast downs and like others have said the saddle when down really gets out of your way since its so forword, so getting back is no problem. The back end is a Marvel of design, like it swallow's and eats the rocks. No bouncing at all, the wheel seems to stay on the dirt. Also feels like 140mm travel in rear. I have my saddle all the back and glad I went with a large frame at 5'10. 40mm stem on now but feel I need a 60mm stem so will play with that! I feel 130mm in the front is not enough and deserves a much stiffer fork. My fox 34 is at 140mm and I now think I will go 150mm on my Pike.

    Climbing the technical stuff will make your head spin, no bobbing at all. The suspension just stiffens up and stays on point. Spot did a great job at designing this bike, strong with no flex, way stiffer than my Fuel EX but the Fuel does accelerate faster at 24lbs than the Mayham at 27lbs. Mayham could be the Ultimate Trailbike!! Anyone that is thinking about this bike just get you will be rewarded also get the Fox 36 or or Pike fork.

    Bike handles great even though its a long bike, front end stays planted when going up steep hills. Your body is in this forward position so it properly weights the front end and going though fast turns the front wheel is nicely weighted. One thing I did notice when going over tall longs with out being allowed to get enough speed 3.5 feet high. You can get your weight too forward if your not careful!!

    Great thing is I can't wait to ride it again tomorrow!! One more thing when you jump its well balanced in the air and landing is so smooth!! Really glade I bought it!! More to come.

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    Can´t wait to get it on the trail. The last parts just arived today, and I was finally able to finish the build:

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    Here is a complete list of components used:


    Frame: Spot Mayhem size L
    Shock: Cane Creek DB Air [IL] 200x57
    Fork: X-Fusion Revel HLR, customized to 135~140mm travel and reduced A2C (540mm)
    Headset: Acros ZS 44/56 + 2 Spacer
    Stem: Newmen 318.2, 50mm
    Handlebar: Pivot Carbon 800mm
    Bottom Bracket: Acros BB (BSA + GXP Kit)
    Crankset: X01 Eagle 32T GXP
    Rear derailleur: X01 Eagle mit BikeYoke Shifty
    Shifters: X01 Eagle
    Cassette: X01 Eagle
    Cahin: XX1 Eagle, schwarz
    Brake Levers: Trickstuff Diretissima with SRAM Matchmaker
    Brake calipers: Hope V4 (modded to NBR seals for minearl oil usage)
    Brake adapters: Hope
    Brake hoses: Goodridge Stahlflex
    Disc front: Hope floating, ventilated, 203mm
    Disc rear: Hope floating, 180mm
    Hub front: Acros Nineteen FR 20x110
    Hub rear: Acros Nineteen ED Boost 12x148
    Rims: Light Bicycle RM29C07 (customized)
    Spokes: Sapim D-Light 32x 286mm/ 32x 288mm
    Nipples: Sapim Aluminium, red, 12mm
    Tire front: WTB Vigilante 29x2.3, TCS tough, high grip
    Tire rear: WTB Trail Boss 29x2.25, TCS tough, fast rolling
    Seatpost: BikeYoke REVIVE 185/31.6 / Triggy Remote
    Saddle: WTB Silverado Carbon
    Pedals: Gamut Podium
    Seatpost clamp: Trickstuff Gandhi
    Handlebar grips: Ergon GE1 schwarz

    I was a littel surprised to see, that there is just little clearence (<2mm) from the rear 180mm disc to the chainstay and the disc is actually touching the chainstay protector.
    Anyone else notice this, or have had any issues so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Yes that's what it was the NOX rims I have with p321 hubs, I remember Dave saying with the asymmetric rims the spokes were the same on both sides which are one of the benefits of them. I like the Hadleys also have them on my steel single speed hardtail. Great customer service to!

    One thing is for sure this Mayham needs a strong wheel, you will find yourself going much faster than what you normally do on your normal bike.

    I had a great ride today and discovered the light 27mm ex rims with 2.35 Maxxis Icons are not the wheels for this bike, not at Brandywine State Park in Wilmington DE. I was pinging the wheels off many rock gardens with 23psi front and 26 rear. This bike is so stable on the fast downs and like others have said the saddle when down really gets out of your way since its so forword, so getting back is no problem. The back end is a Marvel of design, like it swallow's and eats the rocks. No bouncing at all, the wheel seems to stay on the dirt. Also feels like 140mm travel in rear. I have my saddle all the back and glad I went with a large frame at 5'10. 40mm stem on now but feel I need a 60mm stem so will play with that! I feel 130mm in the front is not enough and deserves a much stiffer fork. My fox 34 is at 140mm and I now think I will go 150mm on my Pike.

    Climbing the technical stuff will make your head spin, no bobbing at all. The suspension just stiffens up and stays on point. Spot did a great job at designing this bike, strong with no flex, way stiffer than my Fuel EX but the Fuel does accelerate faster at 24lbs than the Mayham at 27lbs. Mayham could be the Ultimate Trailbike!! Anyone that is thinking about this bike just get you will be rewarded also get the Fox 36 or or Pike fork.

    Bike handles great even though its a long bike, front end stays planted when going up steep hills. Your body is in this forward position so it properly weights the front end and going though fast turns the front wheel is nicely weighted. One thing I did notice when going over tall longs with out being allowed to get enough speed 3.5 feet high. You can get your weight too forward if your not careful!!

    Great thing is I can't wait to ride it again tomorrow!! One more thing when you jump its well balanced in the air and landing is so smooth!! Really glade I bought it!! More to come.
    Ditto. I have had mine since release. Cockpit Setup is important here and my guess is most will struggle with it. I have the seat 10mm back from center and a 30mm stem. I ride a small. Today I rode some blazing fast rollers and jumps. Smoooth. Thursday I rode Rocks. Smoooth. Again I am shocked how it pedals with no Bob yet is so smooth on drops etc. A friend of mine commented during a steep road climb... That thing doesn't bob at all. All while his was a yoyo on his Stumpy.

    I agree that this could be the ultimate trail bike and a Sleeper at that.

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    Bike is finished and weighing in at 13,90kg.
    Today was first ride day, and I must say, that I am really amazed by this bike. Although I did not do ayn fine tuning, the suspension and provided traction were mindblowing.
    The fork and the shock need a little more progression (only 1 blue whole blue CC band spacer installed), so I´ll be working on that during the next days.
    The brakes (Trickstuff Diretissima master cylinder and Hope V4 calipers) are really sick. Modulation is just perfect and compared to a standard Diretissima, the power should be about 20% higher and those are already a lot stronger than Magura MT7, which I also ride on one of my other bikes.
    The only brake, that I have ridden, which was even stronger, was a Diretissima/Gustav M hybrid, but too heavy and not really pretty. Plus not easy to adapt to today´s postmounts.
    The Diretissima/V4 mix, is the strongest combination, which you can possibly have.

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    Finally done, and tested on Kenosha/Georgia

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    The green will go away when the Nextie/P321 gets built, and the Heritage decals slapped on the fork and X2. Altho, the green looks kind of good in contrasting the purple, no?

    It still needs some tweaking w/ the chainline...getting a lot of noise coming out of the drivetrain. At least, I think it's chainline related...when a chainring hangs onto and releases the chain late, or the BB is knocking around...?

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    The green will go away when the Nextie/P321 gets built, and the Heritage decals slapped on the fork and X2. Altho, the green looks kind of good in contrasting the purple, no?

    It still needs some tweaking w/ the chainline...getting a lot of noise coming out of the drivetrain. At least, I think it's chainline related...when a chainring hangs onto and releases the chain late, or the BB is knocking around...?

    The rest of the pics...
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    I love how much thought both Pau11y and Sacki put into your builds!! Great job!!

    I really like the Trickstuff and will be getting some stuff

    I had another great long 3 hour ride today a French Creek in PA. Many rocks fast downs and tech climbs. Can't wait to get my Pike at 150mm on the mayham. When standing bike feels a bit strange on the fast rocky downs, this is when I first stand and still have my weight forward before I get back behind the saddle. Out of the saddle when climbing bike feels great. Need some more tweaking!! I think the longer 150mm fork will help, we will see!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    ...getting a lot of noise coming out of the drivetrain.
    Hum, as it turned out, it was the main pivot, not tight enough. Torqued it down and the side loading at the cranks on either side didn't produce the creak/pop anymore. YAY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Hum, as it turned out, it was the main pivot, not tight enough. Torqued it down and the side loading at the cranks on either side didn't produce the creak/pop anymore. YAY!
    Oh, one last...
    Kept on getting rubbing at my rear rotor and couldn't find it after looking again and again. Then, I noticed some carbon dust on the leading edge of one of those circular rivet thingie. Then, I noticed some scuffing on the matte finish of the post mount...
    The Hope floating rotor's circular...rivet?...rubs on the rear post mount. You'll need to file down the post just a puss. Got mine to clear w/ about 1/2mm... Resealed it w/ some Krazy glue...prob should mix up some 5min epoxy and rub on a thin film...?

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    I put a 180mm rotor on the back and ended up shaving the chain stay protector away from the rotor. No problems.

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    Well holy crap! Just took delivery of my Nextie Premium 36/29, outer/inner width rims. 498g and 496g! Should be plenty stiff...yeah? HAH!

    Considering how much they weigh, and thereby how stiff, I think a 28-hole, 2x build will be plenty strong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Well holy crap! Just took delivery of my Nextie Premium 36/29, outer/inner width rims. 498g and 496g! Should be plenty stiff...yeah? HAH!

    Considering how much they weigh, and thereby how stiff, I think a 28-hole, 2x build will be plenty strong!
    Stiff as a board. Excited to see your purple wheel build.


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    In this thread and through all my searching I've only found 3 mentions of the weight of built bikes: bogeydog guestimated 25.5 - 26 lbs (but didn't want to bias his impressions by knowing the weight), dgw said 27 lbs, and sacki very precisely reported 13.90 kg (30.64 lbs). Does anyone know the true weights of other builds, in particular the weights of the 4, 5, and 6 star package versions (size large)? Or perhaps more importantly, the weight of the frame + shock? I've inquired of Spot themselves but they've ignored my emails. I know that people have different opinions about the importance of weight, but it's a useful data point and one that I feel is missing for this bike.

    Also, I'm somewhat new to this genre of mtb's (exclusively xc hard tails and rigid single speeds in my past) and am uncertain of why the stock builds spec 170 mm cranks -- is that a thing done on trail bikes to prevent pedal strikes in rough terrain? I'm not hung up on long cranks, but fit sometimes might mean longer crank arms. Finally, can you fit a crank with a 168 mm Q-factor to the frame? I prefer smaller Q-factors whenever possible, so it's another data point I'd like to have. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptor View Post
    ...and sacki very precisely reported 13.90 kg (30.64 lbs). Does anyone know the true weights of other builds, in particular the weights of the 4, 5, and 6 star package versions (size large)?
    Mine is 31.5lbs. But it's built burly. I feel pretty safe riding any trail at a bike park w/ mine.
    Oh, mine's a large.

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    Weight of the frame without shock, but with shock bolts and rear axle is 2950g in size L.
    My bike weighs exactly 13.90kg, which may seem not very light for the monetary invest into this bike, but tires alone are 1170g and 1120g + 120ml of tubeless milk in each. Fork is also almost 2100g and I have a 185mm dropper post installed. So my build is not lightweight, for sure, but the extra grams are placed at the very right spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sacki View Post
    Weight of the frame without shock, but with shock bolts and rear axle is 2950g in size L.
    My bike weighs exactly 13.90kg, which may seem not very light for the monetary invest into this bike, but tires alone are 1170g and 1120g + 120ml of tubeless milk in each. Fork is also almost 2100g and I have a 185mm dropper post installed. So my build is not lightweight, for sure, but the extra grams are placed at the very right spots.
    My large frame with a shock weighed 7.06 pounds. Final build with pedals and droperpost came to 26.96 pounds. That was with my race wheel set on bike with 2.35 Maxxis Icon tires, Wheel set 1387 g. Titanium bolts through out. Enve 55 mm stem 92 g. Fox 125 mm dropper, Bontrager carbon saddle. 11 g seatpost clamp. Shimano XTR pedals. Fox thru axle and rear Thur axle. Race face next SL crank G4 170mm. 30tooth AB oval ring, xx1 Derailure and shifter. X01 cassette with Wolftooth 46 large cog.

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    I ended up weighing it at 25.6. Small, Fox 34, Ibis 742 with I9 straight pull hubs, Rocket Ron 2.8s, transfer dropper, sqlab saddle, mcfk bars, Syntace stem, Guide Ultimate brakes, Next SL 170mm cranks, 1x XX1 sram. No decals on forks or wheels.

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    I've got a large also and it weighs 32lbs with the muthalode strap holding two 25 gram co2, levers, and a tube. Plus backcountry 36 wheel set with a Highroller 2 grown ass man Double Down casing rear and a DHF 2.5 WT up front and about a half a quart of Stans in each, XT pedals, Enve DH bar 800mm and Deity 35mm stem, spurcycle bell and Fox 36 up front holding it all down set at 140.

    Straight beef!

    I finally got the rear shock dialed in. 180 riding weight with pressure set at 155 and rebound at 9 clicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    36 wheel set with a Highroller 2 grown ass man Double Down casing rear and a DHF 2.5 WT up front and about a half a quart of Stans in each, XT pedals, Enve DH bar 800mm and Deity 35mm stem, spurcycle bell and Fox 36 up front holding it all down set at 140.
    Good GOD man! I think you just invented the sealant-filled tire system! Do they wiggle around like a water bed? Did you also install some cushcore in there to damp out "the wave?"

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    You can hear it swish when I first fill em. After a few rides I've dampened it out with a few burps. I'm a hack I don't miss many rocks. I may not have half a quart but it's a lot. I'm currently running a mixture of Stan's and orange seal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    You can hear it swish when I first fill em. After a few rides I've dampened it out with a few burps. I'm a hack I don't miss many rocks. I may not have half a quart but it's a lot. I'm currently running a mixture of Stan's and orange seal.


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    i think i saw that box arrive at Maverick this past week... tasty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    i think i saw that box arrive at Maverick this past week... tasty!
    Why yes, yes you did
    But man, those rims are surprisingly heavy, at 497g average!

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    I was playing w/ the suspension a bit before the wheel stuff came. Trying out a Pike 140 w/ 46mm rake and a Monarch Plus w/ some custom shimming...still needs a bit of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I was playing w/ the suspension a bit before the wheel stuff came. Trying out a Pike 140 w/ 46mm rake and a Monarch Plus w/ some custom shimming...still needs a bit of work.

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    Well, thoughts on how it rides? And what dropper is that? Fox with kashima?
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    Well, thoughts on how it rides? And what dropper is that? Fox with kashima?
    Yup, K-coat Transfer. I need to send the one on my Hightower back to Fox for a lookover...there's a bit of play developing...

    The ride w/ that mal-tuned Monarch+ is a bit punchy...very XC biased. It'll open up at speed, but the small trail undulations are not...soften, much. I need to get some different shims and restack the LSC and I was told by Ethan that more LSR is needed. The reb is wide open right now, so I need a few clicks there. And, with the IFP depth in the resi tweaked, I think I need to dial back the PSI or restore the spec'd depth. I took out 3mm, and it's quite significant.

    But on that pic w/ the chunks, the back end had good traction, but it needed to open up a bit more and quicker. I spun out at the top pic because the rear end wouldn't soak up a pointy rock that would have been let thru by the X2 on the Hightower. I'm gonna bolt the X2 back on the bike along w/ the 36 for a Wed Meetup ride up Falcon. The X2 will need more vol spacers put in tho...it used up a lot of travel too quick, but DAMN was it supple over small bumps!

    On the downs, the pic you see there was pretty much a bulldozer, even w/ just 130 out back! Also, that Pike has 46mm offset...it wasn't too noticeable, but it could be why the rig felt like a friggin' battleship in the straights! It didn't suffer any in the tight downs w/ the increased trail tho. The bike likes to be leaned over and turned hard! Enter the turn w/ your weight either neutral or slightly front biased, and then rock back as you exit the turn, and just takes off as if someone was pushing you!

    No more noises coming from the frame either! Torqued the main pivot up to spec and w/ some anti-seize on the cone wedges, and it was spooky how quiet the bike is when the I9's driver was engaged! I CANNOT WAIT till when the P321 wheels are done and the coasting noise of the I9 is gone! Maybe I'll finally be able to hear if my tires are scratching for traction or if they're just fully biting in!

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    Would love to ride this with a x2. I think my evol had to be broken in somewhat. It seemed stiffer at lower pressure when I first got it. I finally feel like I've got it dialed in now. I'm 180 so I'm running 155psi with 8 clicks in of rebound and open switch set to two. I ride in open mode always.

    My 36 seems almost to squishy in the beginning of travel but great everywhere else. I need to run it over to Ethan and let him work his magic


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    Ethan just did my stock evol shock on my Rollik and its smoother now - hard to believe but yeah - its better!! By Changing the shim stack Ethan just widened the shocks "open" ness verses - as Ethan called it - too on/off...

    The Mayhem is such a beauty aesthetically - and keep reading how good it is... im afraid to demo - yet know i need to.... ohhh the joy and the pain!

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    My 36 seems almost to squishy in the beginning of travel but great everywhere else. I need to run it over to Ethan and let him work his magic
    Yeah, E and I were talking about that...that the previous year to 2015, the ones that had the rod setup, had a predictable starting point and you can kinda count on its level of push back, and feel it too. I'm not sure if it's the initial force needed to overcome the stiction being the fork is air...? But the '18 w/ it's Pike-like dimple setup...the starting point is very vague! No stiction because of the negative chamber...? But man, it's a bit disconcerting!
    I need to swap the lowers of my fork after I get some purple decal on the new one. When I do, I think I'm gonna drill out one of my blue 36 old token and jam it into the negative chamber to take out some of the volume. I think Ethan is talking about doing something similar, but w/ o-rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yeah, E and I were talking about that...that the previous year to 2015, the ones that had the rod setup, had a predictable starting point and you can kinda count on its level of push back, and feel it too. I'm not sure if it's the initial force needed to overcome the stiction being the fork is air...? But the '18 w/ it's Pike-like dimple setup...the starting point is very vague! No stiction because of the negative chamber...? But man, it's a bit disconcerting!
    I need to swap the lowers of my fork after I get some purple decal on the new one. When I do, I think I'm gonna drill out one of my blue 36 old token and jam it into the negative chamber to take out some of the volume. I think Ethan is talking about doing something similar, but w/ o-rings.
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    I don't think so. I think you need to tweak the negative chamber, not the positive one, which is what the MRP thingie fixes.

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    Glad I stumbled on this thread, After reading through this I thought I was going to buy a Ibis Ripley LS...(if coolhand80's was boost I would of..lol) so when I went to a demo ride today the guy in front of me took the ibis, so I took the Spot, and boy im glad I did! At first it felt funny compared to my Hightower but after a little while I got used to the steep seat tube angle. At the end of the ride we all had to climb this huge hill which nobody wanted to, I was the only guy in the group of 12 other riders to not use the granny gear and I left the bike full open and im a 5'11'' 240lb guy so im no major athlete, and that was in a group of guys riding Yeti and Ibis bikes. So am I sold on the Spot Mayhem? Damn right I am!!!

    Tom the guy from trailflo recommended I go with a 140mm up front, is this what most of you guys going with? or you sticking with the 130mm?
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    Glad I stumbled on this thread, After reading through this I thought I was going to buy a Ibis Ripley LS...(if coolhand80's was boost I would of..lol) so when I went to a demo ride today the guy in front of me took the ibis, so I took the Spot, and boy im glad I did! At first it felt funny compared to my Hightower but after a little while I got used to the steep seat tube angle. At the end of the ride we all had to climb this huge hill which nobody wanted to, I was the only guy in the group of 12 other riders to not use the granny gear and I left the bike full open and im a 5'11'' 240lb guy so im no major athlete, and that was in a group of guys riding Yeti and Ibis bikes. So am I sold on the Spot Mayhem? Damn right I am!!!

    Tom the guy from trailflo recommended I go with a 140mm up front, is this what most of you guys going with? or you sticking with the 130mm?
    That hill back up to the pool area is a tough climb. Glad you enjoyed the Mayhem. I am amazed at this bike. Maybe Tom will give us a deal if we order two frames at the same time. I guess you won't be buying my Ripley. That's okay someone will buy it. My plan is to get a black frame. Get some gold project 321 hubs with Nobl hoops and put the 140mm airshaft in my Fox 34 and go shred. This bike deserves 140mm fork. It is so plush and composed on the downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    That hill back up to the pool area is a tough climb. Glad you enjoyed the Mayhem. I am amazed at this bike. Maybe Tom will give us a deal if we order two frames at the same time. I guess you won't be buying my Ripley. That's okay someone will buy it. My plan is to get a black frame. Get some gold project 321 hubs with Nobl hoops and put the 140mm airshaft in my Fox 34 and go shred. This bike deserves 140mm fork. It is so plush and composed on the downs.
    Sounds great! I ordered mine already...lol they had free shipping so I wanted to take advantage of that on the spot website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Sounds great! I ordered mine already...lol they had free shipping so I wanted to take advantage of that on the spot website.
    What are you doing with your Hightower?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Glad I stumbled on this thread, After reading through this I thought I was going to buy a Ibis Ripley LS...(if coolhand80's was boost I would of..lol) so when I went to a demo ride today the guy in front of me took the ibis, so I took the Spot, and boy im glad I did! At first it felt funny compared to my Hightower but after a little while I got used to the steep seat tube angle. At the end of the ride we all had to climb this huge hill which nobody wanted to, I was the only guy in the group of 12 other riders to not use the granny gear and I left the bike full open and im a 5'11'' 240lb guy so im no major athlete, and that was in a group of guys riding Yeti and Ibis bikes. So am I sold on the Spot Mayhem? Damn right I am!!!

    Tom the guy from trailflo recommended I go with a 140mm up front, is this what most of you guys going with? or you sticking with the 130mm?
    140 here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    What are you doing with your Hightower?


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    Sold the frame already. Parts from that will go to the Spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Sold the frame already. Parts from that will go to the Spot.
    You liked the spot that much that you sold the HT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    Would love to ride this with a x2.
    So, I just got back from ChimnApex w/ a 36/X2 setup w/ the new wheels...just friggin' Wowwww! It's like CHEATING in the chunks w/ this bike using the Fox setup! So, the Pike/Monarch+ setup will def be backup, when the Fox stuff is off-bike or out for service/warranty. The Fox stuff is just in another league compared to the Rockshox stuff!

    Oh, and the Project 321 hubs...OMFG! I got the quiet ones and it's wicked nice! And MAN, do they roll! Coasting down anything w/ just a bit of a slope feels like someone is behind you pushing! When I bought my brakes, I intended to run 180/160 rotors. But, I also bought a 203 rotor...just in case. I think once I get more used to the bike and get to know how to use the bike's suspension...personality...I may need to up my rotor size at least in the front. May also need to up the rear caliper to the E4 from the X2!

    The bike tips the scale at 32.2lbs, but I'll be damned if the thing doesn't ride 5 lbs lighter! Must be just how stiff the frame is...and now some crazy stiff wheels to match! I rode today w/ just a 20oz bottle...no pack and no tools...since Apex is w/in walking dist of my apt, and that felt soooo nice!

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    Fox has it figured out with the 36 and X2. I hated their shit on my Bronson a few years ago but have had a total change of heart with the stuff they put out last year. I have zero complaints about the Evol that comes stock but I know how good that x2 can be. The 36 is in a league of its own. I still feel like i can get my 36 dialed in a little better, it just rides so well the I never think to tinker with it.


    I got out to Two Elks again yesterday and rode with a group this time. Two Elks may not be the best trail in Colorado but it should certainly be in the discussion. I left everyone on the climb up Bowmans and lead the Yeti SB6 group on the descent. Guys cant believe that I am climbing with the shock wide open. Yesterday's ride is going to have a few folks looking into wagon wheel size bikes again.

    I am going to bleed the brakes this week with rbf 600 dot 4 fluid and put on some galfer pads. I'm going fast enough now to need the extra power. Am strongly considering putting a 180 rotor on the rear if this doesn't get the power to where i want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    You liked the spot that much that you sold the HT?

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    Yeah I really liked the HT but most of my riding in my local trails are pretty hilly and the climbing ability of the Spot are far superior than the HT.

    The descending on the Spot is also not slouch, the demo bike I rode had Nobby Nics and the trail were a bit slippery so I was not real confident on letting it loose, if it were my wheels with a DHF up front, I have no doubt it would be as good as the HT.

    For the guys who ordered a frame only option, does it come with the Fox Factory or Performance shock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Yeah I really liked the HT but most of my riding in my local trails are pretty hilly and the climbing ability of the Spot are far superior than the HT.

    The descending on the Spot is also not slouch, the demo bike I rode had Nobby Nics and the trail were a bit slippery so I was not real confident on letting it loose, if it were my wheels with a DHF up front, I have no doubt it would be as good as the HT.

    For the guys who ordered a frame only option, does it come with the Fox Factory or Performance shock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
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    Hate to do it but selling my Spot Mayham 29er Large, Will sell as complete bike or frame only. Everything on bike has meticulous installed with only the best parts and keeping bike light as possible but still durable. I just can't get fitted properly on bike, having sciatica problems on left side of body. May have to do with steep seat tube angle, PM me if interested will go on Pink Bike soon!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Hate to do it but selling my Spot Mayham 29er Large, Will sell as complete bike or frame only. Everything on bike has meticulous installed with only the best parts and keeping bike light as possible but still durable. I just can't get fitted properly on bike, having sciatica problems on left side of body. May have to do with steep seat tube angle, PM me if interested will go on Pike Bike soon!!
    Are you in Denver Metro area? If you are, want to throw a leg over a SC Hightower and see how that fits you?

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    In Delaware!! Thanks for the offer!! Still really liking my 2016 Trek Fuel EX 9.9, not as stiff as Mayham but it's hard to get away shorter chain stays and supper light bike with more seat setback. Still going to try a few more changes on Mayham before selling!! Sucks riding in pain!

    Another thing to point out the Guys at Spot have been great some of the nicest people I ever dealt with, called many times and never felt pressure to buy they just answered all my questions!!

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    Well I went back and fourth on what fork to buy, BikeBling was having a big sale on all 2017 Forks, so I went with a Fox Factory 34 140mm. The 2018's would cost almost 1000 bucks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Still going to try a few more changes on Mayham before selling!! Sucks riding in pain!
    Have you bought new shoes recently? I purchased some new shoes a while back and moved my cleat placement which had me getting pain along my sciatica. Slid the cleats back about 1mm and it made all the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poonamibaxter View Post
    Have you bought new shoes recently? I purchased some new shoes a while back and moved my cleat placement which had me getting pain along my sciatica. Slid the cleats back about 1mm and it made all the difference
    No same shoes same set up. It's amazing how much it robs you of power also. My right side is so strong but my left side feels real week .

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    My frame arrived yesterday, im still waiting on most of the parts, fork is finally due weds,headset monday...I stripped the tiny screw on the raceface cinch adjustable spacer so I needed to order a new one, Im thinking next week before the holiday I should have it all finished. Speaking of the RF crank, did you guys use any extra spacers when i stalling it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    My frame arrived yesterday, im still waiting on most of the parts, fork is finally due weds,headset monday...I stripped the tiny screw on the raceface cinch adjustable spacer so I needed to order a new one, Im thinking next week before the holiday I should have it all finished. Speaking of the RF crank, did you guys use any extra spacers when i stalling it?
    You mean you stripped out the actual plastic adjuster. The screw is sheet metal screw. It doesn't have to be very tight, just tight so it doesn't spin. I didn't need any spacers

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    You mean you stripped out the actual plastic adjuster. The screw is sheet metal screw. It doesn't have to be very tight, just tight so it doesn't spin. I didn't need any spacers
    Both...the screw itself wont tighten down so it always spins, jenson sells the whole thing for 6 bucks.
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    I see all the builds come with a 170mm crank, any reason why they do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    I see all the builds come with a 170mm crank, any reason why they do?
    To prevent pedal strikes, low BB especially with 27.5+ setup!!

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    hi,

    i am from germany and there are no shops selling this sexy bike. because of this i have no chance to demo it before even really thinking about ordering one.

    i have very long legs and a short torso (monkey style). i imagine, that the geo of the mayhem might suit me quite well. i need a steep SA, a quite short TT and a little higher front (otherwise i will have problems with my neck, when sitting to stretched). i also like longer bikes, because this makes the bike feel confident on fast decents.
    do you think this bike would fit for me?

    the other question is, if this bike is more for shredding and needs to be ridden hard?
    i am nearly 50 and i prefer a little more comfort and a plush suspension. i do not ride hard - i prefer the bike to feel safe and eat the ground.

    thank you for you opinions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbandit View Post
    hi,

    i am from germany and there are no shops selling this sexy bike. because of this i have no chance to demo it before even really thinking about ordering one.

    i have very long legs and a short torso (monkey style). i imagine, that the geo of the mayhem might suit me quite well. i need a steep SA, a quite short TT and a little higher front (otherwise i will have problems with my neck, when sitting to stretched). i also like longer bikes, because this makes the bike feel confident on fast decents.
    do you think this bike would fit for me?

    the other question is, if this bike is more for shredding and needs to be ridden hard?
    i am nearly 50 and i prefer a little more comfort and a plush suspension. i do not ride hard - i prefer the bike to feel safe and eat the ground.

    thank you for you opinions!
    More plush.

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    How the fvck do you feed the dropper post housing!!!! Ive been playing with it for 3 hours and it wont feed up. And yes im pissed
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    How the fvck do you feed the dropper post housing!!!! Ive been playing with it for 3 hours and it wont feed up. And yes im pissed
    Call Tom from Trailflo. Where you did the demo. He has built a few


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    BB has to be off. I had the same problem so I fed it backwards. From the head tube down. Use your finger through the bottom bracket port to guide up. It is a tight fit so be careful with the tape. I measured and cut the housing while it was in the frame.

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    Well I finally got it to work, I fed down the housing and used a hanger to grab it down near the BB. So now the bike is finally done, wont get a good ride til this weekend, I threw it on my park scale and it came out to 29lbs.
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    Well I got a email back from spot these are the instructions they game me

    IMPORTANT:
    Install your internal dropper seatpost cable/hose before installing the bottom bracket assembly.
    Your Rollik frame is supplied with a lead tube installed in place of the dropper seatpost cable/hose
    to ease installation. Please do not remove the lead tube until the dropper seatpost
    cable is installed.

    1. Make sure your seatpost collar is installed on the frame. The seatpost cable/hose is easiest to
    install by feeding from the seat tube to the head tube, but can be fed starting at the head
    tube if necessary. Tape the seatpost cable housing or hydraulic hose to the lead tube at the
    seat tube end. Make sure to clean the end of the cable/hose and the lead tube with alcohol
    before taping. Tape the two together in line, and wrap the tape several times around the
    junction for sufficient contact.
    2. While feeding the seatpost cable/hose into the seat tube, gently pull the lead tube out of the
    port near the head tube. If excessive resistance is met, the tape joint may be too bulky and
    should be reduced. The cable/hose must curve around a relatively small radius between the
    seat tube and the down tube. It is recommended to help the seatpost cable/hose around this
    curve with a finger or two through the access port in the BB shell.
    A. Internal (“stealth”) Dropper Seatpost Routing
    IMPORTANT:
    Install your internal dropper seatpost cable/hose before installing the bottom bracket assembly.
    Your Rollik frame is supplied with a lead tube installed in place of the dropper seatpost cable/hose
    to ease installation. Please do not remove the lead tube until the dropper seatpost
    cable is installed.
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    3. Continue to feed the seatpost cable/hose while gently pulling the lead tube from the port
    near the head tube. When the seatpost cable emerges from the port, remove the tape and
    store the lead tube in a safe place:
    4. Proceed to install your dropper seatpost per the seatpost manufacturer’s instructions. You
    may wish to install other components on the frame before completing the dropper post installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    More plush.
    very helpful, thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbandit View Post
    hi,

    i am from germany and there are no shops selling this sexy bike. because of this i have no chance to demo it before even really thinking about ordering one.

    i have very long legs and a short torso (monkey style). i imagine, that the geo of the mayhem might suit me quite well. i need a steep SA, a quite short TT and a little higher front (otherwise i will have problems with my neck, when sitting to stretched). i also like longer bikes, because this makes the bike feel confident on fast decents.
    do you think this bike would fit for me?

    the other question is, if this bike is more for shredding and needs to be ridden hard?
    i am nearly 50 and i prefer a little more comfort and a plush suspension. i do not ride hard - i prefer the bike to feel safe and eat the ground.

    thank you for you opinions!
    nobody who can or wants to help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbandit View Post
    nobody who can or wants to help?
    What info are you still looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    What info are you still looking for?
    i would like to know if the mayhem’s geo might fit my special body geo or how the geo of other mayhem riders is.

    is the mayhem swallowing a lot or should i better look for a santa cruz HT LT, if i like it comfortable?

    i am just interested in reading more about the feel of the mayhem. as i wrote, i have not the chance to demo one.
    a lot is being written about the great way it climbs. but how does it feel and behave on normal singletrails, smaller and medium bumps and how calm and secure does it feel on fast and rougher descents?

    is the rear shock the perfect choice or should i consider getting the fox x2 or some other rear shock for the best and plushest feeling?

    sorry, so many questions about a bike i will never see before i might buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbandit View Post
    i would like to know if the mayhem’s geo might fit my special body geo or how the geo of other mayhem riders is.

    is the mayhem swallowing a lot or should i better look for a santa cruz HT LT, if i like it comfortable?

    i am just interested in reading more about the feel of the mayhem. as i wrote, i have not the chance to demo one.
    a lot is being written about the great way it climbs. but how does it feel and behave on normal singletrails, smaller and medium bumps and how calm and secure does it feel on fast and rougher descents?

    is the rear shock the perfect choice or should i consider getting the fox x2 or some other rear shock for the best and plushest feeling?

    sorry, so many questions about a bike i will never see before i might buy it.
    Its kind of a hard question to answer, I know I like it more than my hightower, seems to fit me better to. Im not an over aggressive rider, im 42 5'11'' 32 inseam and weigh 230lbs. I ride a size large. Im still getting used to it, but it has been a great all around bike. I'm using a 70mm stem and enve bars 23mm rise 760 width.

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    thank you for sharing your impressions!

    all i read about the mayhem sounds very good. i really would like to have chance to try one.

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    I'm really loving this bike, me and a group hit some really rocky trails in Big Bear WV, we did close to 25 miles and the bike handled everything great. When do you think a major magazine will do a full review on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    I'm really loving this bike, me and a group hit some really rocky trails in Big Bear WV, we did close to 25 miles and the bike handled everything great. When do you think a major magazine will do a full review on it?
    Who knows. A few reviewed the Rollik, but no sure I saw a super in depth one. I have ridden mine with both plus and 29 wheels. Great in both forms. I still can't explain how it handles and is so fast.

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    Had a real nice long ride yesterday on east coast rocks and roots.

    The bike is awesome. Handled everything without question. It's super fast too. I have said it time and time again, I can't explain why it handles so well on turns. Geo suggests otherwise. Downhills are better than my Mojo 3. Faster in turns too. Climbs better. Balanced better than any bike I have had. Prs are falling. Not sure what detail anyone wants, but let me know if you have any questions.

    I have both 29 and 27.5 wheel setups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Had a real nice long ride yesterday on east coast rocks and roots.

    The bike is awesome. Handled everything without question. It's super fast too. I have said it time and time again, I can't explain why it handles so well on turns. Geo suggests otherwise. Downhills are better than my Mojo 3. Faster in turns too. Climbs better. Balanced better than any bike I have had. Prs are falling. Not sure what detail anyone wants, but let me know if you have any questions.

    I have both 29 and 27.5 wheel setups.

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    Was that in 29 or 27.5+ form?

    If I find a buyer for my Mojo3 I might consider one. You have any idea how it compares to the Pivot 5.5? That bike is on my list too

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    what does “prs are falling” mean?

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    When do you think a major magazine will do a full review on it?
    When Spot gets a 6 figure marketing budget so they can buy ads in said major magazine. They are literally a 5 guy operation. If you call for a test ride you'll get one of the engineers, owner or the sales guy to go with you. Super****ingcool.
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    Five rides in, 55 miles ridden and Im still smiling large!

    I wanted to give my pro's and con's to my experience with Spot's Mayhem 27.5 +. I have the Boost frame running an 29" wheelset. I had the frame build with the 6-Star build kit from Spot. I swapped out the build dropper post with a Factory Series 150mm post. So it's close to the factory build. Oh I swapped out the grips too. I have to mention - Hats off to Ben at Cartecay Bike Shop in Ellijay. It was a pleasure working with them and they went above and beyond in their care and support through the process. If you are in the southeast I would highly recommend a call to these guys. Plus they ride these rigs personally and provided lots of great feedback and insight on their personal experience.

    Pros
    - It climbs like a hardtail, seriously! It feels as if there's a rear lockout on this thing. The R&D spent on the climbing ability is absolutely apparent and works as advertised. It's truly something to behold as a rider. Also the front doesn't bob as bad as I thought it would on climbs. I leave the bike open on the front and rear and it's a climbing goat.
    - The small bump compliance is 100% spot on as well. It rear linkage takes away most of small trail chatter and bumps. I can't express enough how impressed I am of it's climbing ability.
    - The Mavic carbon and tire wheelset is spot on. The Mavic Quest Pro 2.5 tires are (IMO) patterned perfectly for the dry, rocky, singletrack XC trails of the southeast.
    - WIth only five rides ticked off, this is my first time running a 1x12 drivetrain. I will say I've been impressed so far. The XX1 is clean, fast and crisp in its shifting. The range so far has matched the local trails in my area. I plan on heading to Bear Creek our best "downhill" singletrack trail system in the state. This will further test it's climbing and downhill abilities. I can't wait for this ride day!

    Cons
    - Well I only have five rides on it, but so far it's been worth the money, BUT..... and this a BIG BUT! I have two concerns that for the price should not be there.
    1. I question the longevity of the frame paint. I thought it would be a rock solid bake, but find it a bit weak on normal rubbing and nicks. The front brake housing (at times) will rub against the headtube. I've noticed slight scuffing of the paint there and it's a big bummer with only five rides in. I expected way more resiliency on this front.
    2. More attention to the frame... the chain tubes on both sides come with ribber frame shields to protect from kick ups etc.... Well both are already starting to pull away from the frame. I haven't washed it so these are pulling away on their own.

    So while not purchase killers they do cause a big pause for me again for the amount of money spent on it. I would not expect these from a high-end boutique bike builder. So take these items into consideration if looking at this bike.

    Worth mentioning - I'm 6'2" riding on a XL frame. I'm glad I got this versus the L which I was on the cusp of fitting. The longer wheelbase is great to have when pointing down or terrain gets sketchy.

    So far my experience has been positive. When riding I find myself smiling more than I did on my previous bike (Niner Jet9 RDO). While there are long term questions for the frame's long term finish. I am still on board in stating this bike is as advertised and will inject a big'ole helping of HELL YEAH LET'S RIDE'ITICE into your veins.
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    Paint quality can certainly vary, but I've found that frame tape is a must on all of my bikes to preserve the paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteMayhem View Post
    Cons
    - Well I only have five rides on it, but so far it's been worth the money, BUT..... and this a BIG BUT! I have two concerns that for the price should not be there.
    1. I question the longevity of the frame paint. I thought it would be a rock solid bake, but find it a bit weak on normal rubbing and nicks. The front brake housing (at times) will rub against the headtube. I've noticed slight scuffing of the paint there and it's a big bummer with only five rides in. I expected way more resiliency on this front.
    2. More attention to the frame... the chain tubes on both sides come with ribber frame shields to protect from kick ups etc.... Well both are already starting to pull away from the frame. I haven't washed it so these are pulling away on their own. .
    I have noticed the chainstay protector is pealing off mine to, and when I shift into the small cog it rubs on it. Im also a bigger rider and im having a hard time getting this shock to be more plush, feels like a hardtail to me at times..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    I have noticed the chainstay protector is pealing off mine to, and when I shift into the small cog it rubs on it. Im also a bigger rider and im having a hard time getting this shock to be more plush, feels like a hardtail to me at times..
    Have you tried adding volume spacers and lowering the air pressure?

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    Sorry if this has been covered before but anyone know what fork I should get if I'm planning on building a 27.5+ Mayhem? What travel, axle to.crown and offset work best? I don't understand offset and trail no matter how many times I try.

    Also, would a small or medium fit better if I'm 5'6"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Sorry if this has been covered before but anyone know what fork I should get if I'm planning on building a 27.5+ Mayhem? What travel, axle to.crown and offset work best? I don't understand offset and trail no matter how many times I try.

    Also, would a small or medium fit better if I'm 5'6"?

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    Go with 140mm 29er fork. The Fox 34 in this has the correct axle to crown. 51mm offset. With that you can also run the 29er wheels if you want. This is my setup and it is great. Spot prefers this also. Their stock builds in 27.5 plus use a 130mm with a 10mm spacer. Skip that and go 140mm.

    For you height is old go medium as these are not as long as some ok the longer geo bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Go with 140mm 29er fork. The Fox 34 in this has the correct axle to crown. 51mm offset. With that you can also run the 29er wheels if you want. This is my setup and it is great. Spot prefers this also. Their stock builds in 27.5 plus use a 130mm with a 10mm spacer. Skip that and go 140mm.

    For you height is old go medium as these are not as long as some ok the longer geo bikes.

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    Cool. Thanks.

    Does fox or rock shox work better? I might try a Ohlins rfx 36 if i get one on sale. Or is it personal preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Cool. Thanks.

    Does fox or rock shox work better? I might try a Ohlins rfx 36 if i get one on sale. Or is it personal preference?

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    Personal preference I would guess. But make sure the axle to crown in correct. In a few hours I can look a few up and let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Personal preference I would guess. But make sure the axle to crown in correct. In a few hours I can look a few up and let you know.

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    Few more things I can't seem to figure out...

    Does the frame come with a headset and is the bb threaded or pressfit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Few more things I can't seem to figure out...

    Does the frame come with a headset and is the bb threaded or pressfit?

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    If you buy the frame only you will need to supply the headset. Threaded B.B.

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    I'm torn between getting a Mayhem 27.5+ or the new Evil Following v2 27.5+. I've ridden Evils before and like how they ride. The Mayhem is be going off what I've read. I'll be moving my parts from a Mojo3 so I'll have to buy a new dropper if I get a Evil or a new HS if I get a Mayhem. I'd need a new 140mm fork either way.

    I suspect the Mayhem will be a great climber and the Evil a great deacender. I'm also not sure about size. Maybe I'll give spot a call. Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I'm torn between getting a Mayhem 27.5+ or the new Evil Following v2 27.5+. I've ridden Evils before and like how they ride. The Mayhem is be going off what I've read. I'll be moving my parts from a Mojo3 so I'll have to buy a new dropper if I get a Evil or a new HS if I get a Mayhem. I'd need a new 140mm fork either way.

    I suspect the Mayhem will be a great climber and the Evil a great deacender. I'm also not sure about size. Maybe I'll give spot a call. Any ideas?

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    I had a V1 Following and a M3. I have written about the Spot vs M3 before. The Following, from I recall, was harsher in rock gardens for sure. The Spot climbs better and I dare say is better down as well. It's much pusher down than both. My major complaint about the Following was I had to always weight the front too much to rail turns. The Spot has a better balanced riding position and requires a lot less body finesse to move around. The upside to the Following is resale. The Following has a following so to speak. But I would put the Spot up against it anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I'm torn between getting a Mayhem 27.5+ or the new Evil Following v2 27.5+. I've ridden Evils before and like how they ride. The Mayhem is be going off what I've read. I'll be moving my parts from a Mojo3 so I'll have to buy a new dropper if I get a Evil or a new HS if I get a Mayhem. I'd need a new 140mm fork either way.

    I suspect the Mayhem will be a great climber and the Evil a great deacender. I'm also not sure about size. Maybe I'll give spot a call. Any ideas?

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    Mayhem. Steep seat angle/Living Link=great climber. Dropper seatpost/140mm fork/slack head angle/properly tuned rear shock/Living Link=great descender. Very fast bike.

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    What shock are people running on their mayhem? Is the stock good or should I get something else? I'll be using 27.5x2.8 wheels and I'm 155-160 in full kit depending...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    What shock are people running on their mayhem? Is the stock good or should I get something else? I'll be using 27.5x2.8 wheels and I'm 155-160 in full kit depending...

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    Stock shock works well. It is run at a much lower pressure than you normally think. Run at 85% of your weight.

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    When do you use the 29er setup and when do you use the 27.5+?

    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Had a real nice long ride yesterday on east coast rocks and roots.

    The bike is awesome. Handled everything without question. It's super fast too. I have said it time and time again, I can't explain why it handles so well on turns. Geo suggests otherwise. Downhills are better than my Mojo 3. Faster in turns too. Climbs better. Balanced better than any bike I have had. Prs are falling. Not sure what detail anyone wants, but let me know if you have any questions.

    I have both 29 and 27.5 wheel setups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastpath View Post
    When do you use the 29er setup and when do you use the 27.5+?
    Whenever I feel like it. I haven't decided which I like better. I will let you know.

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    Question about the rear shock, it says EVOL on it, so does that mean we have a positive and negative air chamber? This could be why mine feels so harsh in the small bumps. Also does anyone know of a good video that shows how to set this up correctly?

    Other than that im very happy with this bike, I have logged almost 200 miles on the bike and the only thing that is wearing down is that cheap chain stay protector, mine is ripping up pretty bad, from my shoe hitting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Question about the rear shock, it says EVOL on it, so does that mean we have a positive and negative air chamber? This could be why mine feels so harsh in the small bumps. Also does anyone know of a good video that shows how to set this up correctly?

    Other than that im very happy with this bike, I have logged almost 200 miles on the bike and the only thing that is wearing down is that cheap chain stay protector, mine is ripping up pretty bad, from my shoe hitting it.
    Harsh over small bumps? Is this true? I haven't gotten mine yet but could you be running too high pressure?

    Someone else want to chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Question about the rear shock, it says EVOL on it, so does that mean we have a positive and negative air chamber? This could be why mine feels so harsh in the small bumps. Also does anyone know of a good video that shows how to set this up correctly?

    Other than that im very happy with this bike, I have logged almost 200 miles on the bike and the only thing that is wearing down is that cheap chain stay protector, mine is ripping up pretty bad, from my shoe hitting it.
    Yes. Positive and larger than non Evol negative air chamber. Let all the air out slowly from your shock. Then pump it up to 50 psi then exercise the shock 10-20 times through 25% of the travel. Do this for every 50 psi you add. This ensures the positive and negative air chambers equalize. Otherwise you will have a harsh feeling shock. http://www.ridefox.com/2016/dl/bike/...white-revA.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Question about the rear shock, it says EVOL on it, so does that mean we have a positive and negative air chamber? This could be why mine feels so harsh in the small bumps. Also does anyone know of a good video that shows how to set this up correctly?

    Other than that im very happy with this bike, I have logged almost 200 miles on the bike and the only thing that is wearing down is that cheap chain stay protector, mine is ripping up pretty bad, from my shoe hitting it.
    The setup of this bike is different. Stay at 85% of your weight. Set rebounds by Fox recommended settings. Guaranteed you have too much pressure.

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    Good to know. Anyone experiment with any other shocks besides the stock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Good to know. Anyone experiment with any other shocks besides the stock?

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    I think the living link adds a bit of spring assist so definitely less air pressure on the rear shock will work better. I took the stock shock off from the start since I had better shocks to put on. I have a 140mm 36 up front.
    So far I have had a fox x2 performance (only low speed adjustments) on for a few rides and found that I had to lower the air pressure quite a bit and it was running well but had too much sag. I took it off to add a volume spacer but decided to try a recently rebuild CC Inline. The Inline has low and high adjustments so I opened them up and it has been really good for the last 3 rides. I just don't know how long the inline will last before another rebuild.
    I do have a x2 factory (low/high speed adjustments) and a DVO topaz (on other bikes) that I will be trying out as well.

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    You think the x2 factory will be different than the performance? How is the DVO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    You think the x2 factory will be different than the performance? How is the DVO?

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    Guys, if this is the first you have been told to start with 85%, then absolutely you have set wring. As well you will set any shock wrong. Follow Spots directions. Otherwise you are chasing your tails and making incorrect reviews and comments.

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    I think so since I will have the ability to lower the high speed settings on the X2F. I thought the X2P had a bit too much mid travel support. I have not ridden the Topaz in a while but I seem to remember that it did lack mid travel support in comparison to the X2 so it might work well with the living link.
    It is fun trying out all these shocks but the bike will work well with all the shocks provided that they are tuned/setup properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Guys, if this is the first you have been told to start with 85%, then absolutely you have set wring. As well you will set any shock wrong. Follow Spots directions. Otherwise you are chasing your tails and making incorrect reviews and comments.

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    My ridding weight is 185lbs and 85% is 157psi. I found that the x2 performed best in the 145 to 150 range. I cant recall the exact pressure in the inline but it was in the 150-160 range. Compression settings on the open side and rebound settings on the open side of middle. Full travel no harsh bottoming.

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    Well I did find out that the EVOL sleeve does require adding air slowly to get the air into the positive and negative chambers, so I will be trying to figure this out...

    Second, For the guys running plus wheels, how wide are your rims and what tires have you used. A buddy of mine has a set of Roval 6fattie 38 rims hes going to let me try out, do you think a 3.0 tire will fit?

    Third, the new edition of "BIKE" magazine has a small review on the Mayhem...Overall my take is they think its a good bike...FWIW
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Well I did find out that the EVOL sleeve does require adding air slowly to get the air into the positive and negative chambers, so I will be trying to figure this out...

    Second, For the guys running plus wheels, how wide are your rims and what tires have you used. A buddy of mine has a set of Roval 6fattie 38 rims hes going to let me try out, do you think a 3.0 tire will fit?

    Third, the new edition of "BIKE" magazine has a small review on the Mayhem...Overall my take is they think its a good bike...FWIW
    That is a great write-up in many ways. It describes the behavior of the bike better than I can. I run Plus Tires and have 29er Wheels as well. Unfortunately I don't have much time on the 29er Wheels yet cuz I just got them recently. But there is a lot to be said for the balance of the bike, the seating position for everything you encounter, and the efficiency of the pedaling while having great downhill abilities. It's generally what I have been saying all along.

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    Starting my Mayhem build. I'm going 27.5+. Any tips or things you wish were different with your build? Hope to get a few rides in before the snow flies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Starting my Mayhem build. I'm going 27.5+. Any tips or things you wish were different with your build? Hope to get a few rides in before the snow flies.

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    Setup shock correctly. If you can get your hands on a Shockwiz, it will help with setting rebound. What is your weight? If installing a dropper, read directions on feeding the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Setup shock correctly. If you can get your hands on a Shockwiz, it will help with setting rebound. What is your weight? If installing a dropper, read directions on feeding the cable.

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    Yup, I have a shockwiz. Should I tune it with the shock fully open?

    I'm just shy of 160 in full kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Yup, I have a shockwiz. Should I tune it with the shock fully open?

    I'm just shy of 160 in full kit

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    Yeah fully open. My guess is rebound on the shock will be about 5 clicks out. The plus tires affect rebound and you will find you need to give it more rebound than non plus sizes. It's a good starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Setup shock correctly. If you can get your hands on a Shockwiz, it will help with setting rebound. What is your weight? If installing a dropper, read directions on feeding the cable.

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    OK, lets try round 2 with my Mayham. Maybe it will work this time.

    I used my own chain stay protector and installed it the way Spot should have done it !! Going with the pike at 150mm, waiting for new 2018 air shaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    OK, lets try round 2 with my Mayham. Maybe it will work this time.

    I used my own chain stay protector and installed it the way Spot should have done it !! Going with the pike at 150mm, waiting for new 2018 air shaft.
    Did you cover up the red inside the rear triangle?

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    Yea I removed the rear end sent it out to my body guy, they painted it Mercedes silver to match the silver Spot logo. The down tube I just covered with carbon vinyl car rap, personally I did not like the paint on the inside rear triangle. I love the color now, very high quality plus I now know how to service the rear. The bearings are chinese with rubber o-rings as gaskets for protection from elements. Easy to work on!! The silver looks great with blue or purple. I have a set of 27.5+ wheels with 2.8 tires I will also try this time. 150mm fork will help raise the BB, I think it's on the low side with the 27.5 wheels plus the 150mm fork will slacken the seat tube angle. I may need to go with a set back dropper, will see!! The next bike will be the new 2018 Trek Fuel ex 9.9 if all fails. I just had one for a week demo and I rode it 6 days straight on my local Brandywine trails in DE.

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    Pulled the trigger today on a Mayhem black in XL, I'm 6'2". Ordered the frame only. Planing on 140mm Fox 34 or 36, not certain at this point. Plan to use as my main trail bike. I'm mostly an XC guy that likes 40,60,80,100 mile rides with lots and lots of climbing and descending. Live in Utah Wasatch front and get down to the desert multiple times a year.
    Thing I can't understand in the 170mm crank spec. I understand the increased pedal clearance purpose, but the bb height seems good compared to other bikes in the same short travel 29 trail bucket. Does it ride low in it's travel?
    I have some Cannondale SI 172.5 cranks I'll mount, but don't see going 170, thats too DH for me. Open to new ideas, but having several bikes and 180 on my SS, I think that it will feel much different that my other bikes. Had 170 on a bike before and did not really like it.
    Purchased without a demo ride.....scary!
    Fingers crossed the geo and Living link is all that and more....
    May do Eagle or Di2 which I have currently running 1 x 11. Like the 50, but would do e13 9-46 wth di2. Have quality parts for the build, but need a fork, wheels and tires. Build my own wheels and will do at least 28mm internal. Run 30mm internal now and like it. Cheap asian carbon rims have have rocked on for many miles so confident in them. Onyx or I9 hubset, but likely I9 cause I'm a little bit weight weenie.
    Well, hope I did not put anyone to sleep with my post if still reading. Will let you know what I think when I get it built and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonman View Post
    Pulled the trigger today on a Mayhem black in XL, I'm 6'2". Ordered the frame only. Planing on 140mm Fox 34 or 36, not certain at this point. Plan to use as my main trail bike. I'm mostly an XC guy that likes 40,60,80,100 mile rides with lots and lots of climbing and descending. Live in Utah Wasatch front and get down to the desert multiple times a year.
    Thing I can't understand in the 170mm crank spec. I understand the increased pedal clearance purpose, but the bb height seems good compared to other bikes in the same short travel 29 trail bucket. Does it ride low in it's travel?
    I have some Cannondale SI 172.5 cranks I'll mount, but don't see going 170, thats too DH for me. Open to new ideas, but having several bikes and 180 on my SS, I think that it will feel much different that my other bikes. Had 170 on a bike before and did not really like it.
    Purchased without a demo ride.....scary!
    Fingers crossed the geo and Living link is all that and more....
    May do Eagle or Di2 which I have currently running 1 x 11. Like the 50, but would do e13 9-46 wth di2. Have quality parts for the build, but need a fork, wheels and tires. Build my own wheels and will do at least 28mm internal. Run 30mm internal now and like it. Cheap asian carbon rims have have rocked on for many miles so confident in them. Onyx or I9 hubset, but likely I9 cause I'm a little bit weight weenie.
    Well, hope I did not put anyone to sleep with my post if still reading. Will let you know what I think when I get it built and ride.
    Fox 34 if you are a weight weenie, but the new 2018 fox 36 is so buttery amaze balls and stiff and not much heavier. Your choice. The 170mm cranks are specific on the complete builds for the purpose of running 27.5 plus. In 29er mode the BB isn't low. So if you plan to only run 29er or don't care and might just try 27.5 plus, longer cranks will be fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    Fox 34 if you are a weight weenie, but the new 2018 fox 36 is so buttery amaze balls and stiff and not much heavier. Your choice. The 170mm cranks are specific on the complete builds for the purpose of running 27.5 plus. In 29er mode the BB isn't low. So if you plan to only run 29er or don't care and might just try 27.5 plus, longer cranks will be fine.


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    Use the new project 321 hubs, same weight as i9 just a few grams more. Much better bearings with higher engagement and quiet. Go with the 175mm crank arms and a 2018 Pike fork just 66 grams more than Fox 34 and stiffer if you want a lighter front end than the Fox 36.

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    I got 175mm raceface next cranks on mine in 29er mode with a 140mm fox 34, So far no pedal strikes in almost 500 miles of riding the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Setup shock correctly. If you can get your hands on a Shockwiz, it will help with setting rebound. What is your weight? If installing a dropper, read directions on feeding the cable.

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    You made the correct decision on the Pike. I had the Fox 34 at 140mm the 1st time I built it up then I tore it down and was going to sell it. I can now say I'm so glad I built it up again. This time with the 2018 Pike at 130mm at this point and found I need a much longer stem than 55mm.

    The reason is since I have a large frame at 5'91/2, my saddle is fairly low because of my short legs. Bogeydog is right most will have trouble setting this bike correct. As seat goes up higher the further your reach is from bar. I also have a long upper body with long arms and torso so I needed a longer stem 90mm right now to give me space in the cockpit. Yea I don't like the way it sounds or looks but I love the way the bike rides now!! Got rid of the oval ring also. The Pike fork feels much stiffer with noticeable less flex, small bump compliance now matches the rear shock perfectly.

    This bike is 2 inches longer than my 2016 Fuel ex and again as Bogeydog as stated is corners like crazy and carries speed. I love the way it goes down technical decents no bouncing off rocks, really holds the line with stiff frame not flexing in the wrong way. When lowering the saddle all the way you really feel in the bike not on top Like I did before. Going to try a 80mm stem. I love my new Wheels even though only 30mm ex. LB carbon rims down hill layup with extra carbon. 28hole Sapim cx ray spokes with Project 321 rear hub and DT Swiss 240 front hub. Love the the Bontrager XR4 team Issue 29x2.40 tires. Wheel set 1598g. Just ordered Shimano Saint front caliper to go with the XTR Race lever. Weight with Shimano XTR race pedals 27.42lbs. Ordered the 140mm air shaft, but at 130mm Pike feels awesome with the mid travel support. I have 3 2017 Fox 34 I'm selling !!

    Anyone having trouble setting up this bike just me patient!! The Pivot Swithblade and the new 2018 Fuel EX 9.9 have now been forgotten!!

    One more thing this bike climbs out of the saddle better than all my other bikes, feels like a hardtrail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    You made the correct decision on the Pike. I had the Fox 34 at 140mm the 1st time I built it up then I tore it down and was going to sell it. I can now say I'm so glad I built it up again. This time with the 2018 Pike at 130mm at this point and found I need a much longer stem than 55mm.

    The reason is since I have a large frame at 5'91/2, my saddle is fairly low because of my short legs. Bogeydog is right most will have trouble setting this bike correct. As seat goes up higher the further your reach is from bar. I also have a long upper body with long arms and torso so I needed a longer stem 90mm right now to give me space in the cockpit. Yea I don't like the way it sounds or looks but I love the way the bike rides now!! Got rid of the oval ring also. The Pike fork feels much stiffer with noticeable less flex, small bump compliance now matches the rear shock perfectly.

    This bike is 2 inches longer than my 2016 Fuel ex and again as Bogeydog as stated is corners like crazy and carries speed. I love the way it goes down technical decents no bouncing off rocks, really holds the line with stiff frame not flexing in the wrong way. When lowering the saddle all the way you really feel in the bike not on top Like I did before. Going to try a 80mm stem. I love my new Wheels even though only 30mm ex. LB carbon rims down hill layup with extra carbon. 28hole Sapim cx ray spokes with Project 321 rear hub and DT Swiss 240 front hub. Love the the Bontrager XR4 team Issue 29x2.40 tires. Wheel set 1598g. Just ordered Shimano Saint front caliper to go with the XTR Race lever. Weight with Shimano XTR race pedals 27.42lbs. Ordered the 140mm air shaft, but at 130mm Pike feels awesome with the mid travel support. I have 3 2017 Fox 34 I'm selling !!

    Anyone having trouble setting up this bike just me patient!! The Pivot Swithblade and the new 2018 Fuel EX 9.9 have now been forgotten!!

    One more thing this bike climbs out of the saddle better than all my other bikes, feels like a hardtrail.
    I have a 2018 Fox Factory 34 and I love it, I had a Pike on my last bike and feel the fox is a tad better, I think either one is an amazing fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    You made the correct decision on the Pike. I had the Fox 34 at 140mm the 1st time I built it up then I tore it down and was going to sell it. I can now say I'm so glad I built it up again. This time with the 2018 Pike at 130mm at this point and found I need a much longer stem than 55mm.

    The reason is since I have a large frame at 5'91/2, my saddle is fairly low because of my short legs. Bogeydog is right most will have trouble setting this bike correct. As seat goes up higher the further your reach is from bar. I also have a long upper body with long arms and torso so I needed a longer stem 90mm right now to give me space in the cockpit. Yea I don't like the way it sounds or looks but I love the way the bike rides now!! Got rid of the oval ring also. The Pike fork feels much stiffer with noticeable less flex, small bump compliance now matches the rear shock perfectly.

    This bike is 2 inches longer than my 2016 Fuel ex and again as Bogeydog as stated is corners like crazy and carries speed. I love the way it goes down technical decents no bouncing off rocks, really holds the line with stiff frame not flexing in the wrong way. When lowering the saddle all the way you really feel in the bike not on top Like I did before. Going to try a 80mm stem. I love my new Wheels even though only 30mm ex. LB carbon rims down hill layup with extra carbon. 28hole Sapim cx ray spokes with Project 321 rear hub and DT Swiss 240 front hub. Love the the Bontrager XR4 team Issue 29x2.40 tires. Wheel set 1598g. Just ordered Shimano Saint front caliper to go with the XTR Race lever. Weight with Shimano XTR race pedals 27.42lbs. Ordered the 140mm air shaft, but at 130mm Pike feels awesome with the mid travel support. I have 3 2017 Fox 34 I'm selling !!

    Anyone having trouble setting up this bike just me patient!! The Pivot Swithblade and the new 2018 Fuel EX 9.9 have now been forgotten!!

    One more thing this bike climbs out of the saddle better than all my other bikes, feels like a hardtrail.
    Glad to hear. Keep at it. I have been running P321 with Knight rims. Good stuff.

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    I'm still working on getting my Mayhem built up. It takes time with two little kids and work etc but I'm getting there. This is the first build where I've done everything myself (except build the wheels). I usually have had the shop put in the BB and HS but this time I got the tools and did it myself.

    Anyway, in regards to bike setup do you use the knee over pedal spindle method to determine seat position? Right now I have a 40mm stem on and that feels good with one 10mm spacer under it. I'm hoping to get the position pretty close to dialed the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I'm still working on getting my Mayhem built up. It takes time with two little kids and work etc but I'm getting there. This is the first build where I've done everything myself (except build the wheels). I usually have had the shop put in the BB and HS but this time I got the tools and did it myself.

    Anyway, in regards to bike setup do you use the knee over pedal spindle method to determine seat position? Right now I have a 40mm stem on and that feels good with one 10mm spacer under it. I'm hoping to get the position pretty close to dialed the first time.

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    Just remember that the STA is steeper and that may feel odd at first. Whatever method you use to set seat at first will do. In time, you will likely jockey it around a little. Also depends on the seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    I'm still working on getting my Mayhem built up. It takes time with two little kids and work etc but I'm getting there. This is the first build where I've done everything myself (except build the wheels). I usually have had the shop put in the BB and HS but this time I got the tools and did it myself.

    Anyway, in regards to bike setup do you use the knee over pedal spindle method to determine seat position? Right now I have a 40mm stem on and that feels good with one 10mm spacer under it. I'm hoping to get the position pretty close to dialed the first time.

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    Cool looking bike, how wide are your rims and are those 2.8 or 3.0 tires?

    As for seat position the bike I demoed had one 10mm spacer with 60mm stem so thats how I built my large up. feels pretty good. But every ones arm/torso/legs will be different.

    Although the demo had straight bars and mine are Enve with 23mm rise, which I prefer more
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Cool looking bike, how wide are your rims and are those 2.8 or 3.0 tires?

    As for seat position the bike I demoed had one 10mm spacer with 60mm stem so thats how I built my large up. feels pretty good. But every ones arm/torso/legs will be different.

    Although the demo had straight bars and mine are Enve with 23mm rise, which I prefer more
    Thanks.

    Those are 2.8 tires on 52mm rims, though maxxis measures more like 2.7.

    The 40mm stem feels good to me as I have shorter torso and arms. It's a medium frame. I just wonder about weight on the front end with that steep STA. Do you have to pay extra attention to un weight the front wheel when rolling over things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Thanks.

    Those are 2.8 tires on 52mm rims, though maxxis measures more like 2.7.

    The 40mm stem feels good to me as I have shorter torso and arms. It's a medium frame. I just wonder about weight on the front end with that steep STA. Do you have to pay extra attention to un weight the front wheel when rolling over things?

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    I have a 30mm on my small. Have ran 40mm as well. Tomorrow I am working with a fitter who has the GURU system and will dial it in.

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    Where do you live? I wonder about climbing and tight switchbacks with the 140mm fork. Any wheel flop? thanks!

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    Thanks! I mean to say they oynx hubs are heavy. I have a 2018 Pike I'm going to convert to 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyonman View Post
    Where do you live? I wonder about climbing and tight switchbacks with the 140mm fork. Any wheel flop? thanks!
    I run mine at 140 and no wheel flop at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryeti View Post
    I run mine at 140 and no wheel flop at all.
    None

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    I have mine with 29er wheels ( 24mm ID but will be upgrading), with a Fox 36/20mm axle/140mm/MRP Fulfill fork and fox X2factory shock on the rear. I am finally happy with the suspension feel.
    This bike is an ebike on the climbs (it has that living link motor) and fast fast everywhere!
    Originally I found the cockpit to be a bit short but now that I have have gotten familiar with the geometry and suspension feel, it handles like a dream. No wheel flop on climbs and very stable on the downs.

    I have 27.5 plus wheels that I want to try but I am having such a blast as it is that I am putting it off for a bit.

    Only concerns are the:
    -Chainstay protectors are becoming unglued
    -Deraileur hanger is a bit soft. After some rough rides I have had to get alignment tool out. I have another hanger that I will be putting on.
    - I can not ride any of my other bikes (I have a few)
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    Quote Originally Posted by voob View Post
    I have mine with 29er wheels ( 24mm ID but will be upgrading), with a Fox 36/20mm axle/140mm/MRP Fulfill fork and fox X2factory shock on the rear. I am finally happy with the suspension feel.
    This bike is an ebike on the climbs (it has that living link motor) and fast fast everywhere!
    Originally I found the cockpit to be a bit short but now that I have have gotten familiar with the geometry and suspension feel, it handles like a dream. No wheel flop on climbs and very stable on the downs.

    I have 27.5 plus wheels that I want to try but I am having such a blast as it is that I am putting it off for a bit.

    Only concerns are the:
    -Chainstay protectors are becoming unglued
    -Deraileur hanger is a bit soft. After some rough rides I have had to get alignment tool out. I have another hanger that I will be putting on.
    - I can not ride any of my other bikes (I have a few)
    How do you like it with the X2? I'm debating getting one. Could you not get the stock shock the way you like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    How do you like it with the X2? I'm debating getting one. Could you not get the stock shock the way you like?

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    I have used the X2 for a while on other bikes and I really like it. I don't mine the weight for the better suspension. It works well with the 36. The bike weighs just over 30lbls.
    I never tried the stock shock but tried an updated CC inline but still went back to the X2.

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    Check the picts!
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    I just read that "Bike" magazine has the Mayhem as one of there bible bikes, it will be cool to see what they have to say and how it compares vs the other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    I just read that "Bike" magazine has the Mayhem as one of there bible bikes, it will be cool to see what they have to say and how it compares vs the other bikes.
    Cool. A shop owner in the area who does not sell spot however rode a Spot Mayhem in the spring, feels it's the best full suspension bike on the market right now He is a very accomplished Rider and has been around for many years.

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    Had my first ride on my Mayhem 27.5+ today. 75 degree day in late October made for a great day. Only one ride in but I thought I'd share somenof my observations.

    First, a little about where I'm coming from. I ride in the northeast US, New England so the trails have lots of roots and rocks but not a ton of sustained elevation changes. I'm 5'6, 156lb and on a medium Mayhem. I have a 40mm stem and the fit feels spot on. I'm coming off of a Ibis Mojo 3 that never really felt composed to me. It was always a little twitchy and I had problems with fit due to the low stack height.

    I set the shock up based on 85% of my weight or 133psi and left wide open on my ride. I ended up dropping down to 130psi mid ride. The Mayhem feels super efficient and stiff and almost feels oversprung to me. I've barely tried to tune it and will be putting a shockwiz on to help. The bike reminds me of a Yeti SB95c I got a few years back only better. Every pedal stroke moves you forward and it doesn't get hung up in technical climbs.

    Having said that though another bike I have now is an Evil Insurgent. I considered getting the new Following before getting the mayhem but didn't want to end up with 2 bikes that were very similar, if only in design anyway. I have my suspension set up very plush with no low speed compression damping and volume spacer to make the suspension spring rate more progressive. The insurgent climbs relatively well for what it is (150mm f&r) and descends incredibly well. It's super fun. If you've ridden an Evil you know what I mean. I want to try to get the rear end of the mayhem to feel closer to how my insurgent is. I think the shock on the mayhem ramps up too much. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get it to open up early in it's travel without feeling like its wallowing. I'll keep working with it but wonder if a custom tune or a different shock would suit me better.

    I know set up can be tricky to get the most out of the bike. The saddle is pretty much centered over the post but might try moving it back just a tiny bit to see if my weight being more rearward makes any difference.

    Anyone who has spent more time on their mayhem go ahead and chime in.

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    What you may be feeling is the mid stroke firmness created by the leaf spring suspension. It is designed to firm up quickly for peddling. On the other side of this it becomes very plush. You will feel this on larger hits and drops. I think you are probably not getting far enough in the travel feel this. That is why you can run the shock at a lower pressure than most other bike setups. It's essentially low speed plush mid-stroke firm deep travel plush.

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    I would suggest a custom tune (lighter shim stack if possible) for your weight or getting a shock with 4 way adjustment like X2 or DB inline IL.
    I found that getting the fork set right first helped.
    On the rear (X2) I set the air around 85% of my weight (25-30% Sag) and then I set the compression settings towards open and firmed up (towards closed) the rebound until it felt dull. I then opened the rebound click by click until I felt the right balance. It feels good now. I ended up with more slow speed rebound then I thought I would.
    For a 130mm travel bike with such a great pedal platform it will never be super plush when comparing it to 140-150 mm bikes.
    I am sure they are working on increasing the travel. Or maybe another bike dedicated to long travel 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voob View Post
    I would suggest a custom tune (lighter shim stack if possible) for your weight or getting a shock with 4 way adjustment like X2 or DB inline IL.
    I found that getting the fork set right first helped.
    On the rear (X2) I set the air around 85% of my weight (25-30% Sag) and then I set the compression settings towards open and firmed up (towards closed) the rebound until it felt dull. I then opened the rebound click by click until I felt the right balance. It feels good now. I ended up with more slow speed rebound then I thought I would.
    For a 130mm travel bike with such a great pedal platform it will never be super plush when comparing it to 140-150 mm bikes.
    I am sure they are working on increasing the travel. Or maybe another bike dedicated to long travel 29.
    I echo your rebound comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voob View Post
    I would suggest a custom tune (lighter shim stack if possible) for your weight or getting a shock with 4 way adjustment like X2 or DB inline IL.
    I found that getting the fork set right first helped.
    On the rear (X2) I set the air around 85% of my weight (25-30% Sag) and then I set the compression settings towards open and firmed up (towards closed) the rebound until it felt dull. I then opened the rebound click by click until I felt the right balance. It feels good now. I ended up with more slow speed rebound then I thought I would.
    For a 130mm travel bike with such a great pedal platform it will never be super plush when comparing it to 140-150 mm bikes.
    I am sure they are working on increasing the travel. Or maybe another bike dedicated to long travel 29.
    Between a custom tune, the X2 or DB I line IL what do you think would work best? I just got a DB inline IL for my old SB95c and really like it. The X2 is almost twice the cost of the DB. I don't want to spend d $600+ for a X2 right now

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    For the money and weight the inline worked really well. I would be happy with it if I did not already have an X2. It is the reliability and frequent service of the inline and consistency of the X2 that makes the X2 the better choice. Kind of like the fox 36 vs the other top forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
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    Just wanted to update on what happened when I installed my 2015 non boost 160mm pike with Derby 35mm rim with Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 tire on the Mayham. 2 great rides now and I believe this bike needs a longer travel fork. I can't get over how well it climbs, I do have stem slamed down all the way. 75mm stem that just works the best for me, I went up some very steep rocky climbs today and the front end stayed down and the traction was amazing. Maybe with 160mm fork on it's shifting weight back slightly and putting weight back over wheel making better traction. Bike also manuals better now. On the downs it's a rock eating beast and find myself launching off large log overs with better speed. The bike still steers great with no wheel flop and corners just sightly slower than with Pike at 130mm.

    Definitely going to go with the 150mm Air Spring on my 2018 Pike, I also put a Shimano Saint front brake caliper on with my XTR lever and going with 203 rotor for more stopping power with the increased speed.

    I may go for the new Fox DPX2 shock, but I love the way the stock shock stiffens up under hard peddling power especially out of the saddle.

    So glad I did not sell this frame, the right fork and proper cockpit setup are key on the Mayham. The frame is so stiff it will expose the week link and have not had any problems setting up rear shock 85% of body weight works perfect for me and using all the travel. Can't wait to ride tomorrow!!

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    Just wanted to update on what happened when I installed my 2015 non boost 160mm pike with Derby 35mm rim with Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 tire on the Mayham. 2 great rides now and I believe this bike needs a longer travel fork. I can't get over how well it climbs, I do have stem slamed down all the way. 75mm stem that just works the best for me, I went up some very steep rocky climbs today and the front end stayed down and the traction was amazing. Maybe with 160mm fork on it's shifting weight back slightly and putting weight back over wheel making better traction. Bike also manuals better now. On the downs it's a rock eating beast and find myself launching off large log overs with better speed. The bike still steers great with no wheel flop and corners just sightly slower than with Pike at 130mm.

    Definitely going to go with the 150mm Air Spring on my 2018 Pike, I also put a Shimano Saint front brake caliper on with my XTR lever and going with 203 rotor for more stopping power with the increased speed.

    I may go for the new Fox DPX2 shock, but I love the way the stock shock stiffens up under hard peddling power especially out of the saddle.

    So glad I did not sell this frame, the right fork and proper cockpit setup are key on the Mayham. The frame is so stiff it will expose the week link and have not had any problems setting up rear shock 85% of body weight works perfect for me and using all the travel. Can't wait to ride tomorrow!!
    Great. I have a 140mm on the front with 29er wheels. I did this so I could run Plus size too without switching anything. Obviously the longer front slacks the STA. I also have my seat mive rearward a bit. As I have said all along, setup is key and takes some time and effort.

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    Just heading out for my 4th ride this week. Just can't get enough of this bike.
    When I had a pike 150 on it, it performed well every where except some steep/tight switchback climbs. The steering was bit slow and hard to turn. I will give it another try now that I am familiar with the bike.

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    What chain line are you guys using? Is your front chainring boost or non boost? That means either 49 mm or 52 mm.

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    53mm chainline with 30T.
    I am using a shimano/one up 11-50 cassette with shimano XT boost crankset . There is space to use a 50mm crankset wit 30T chainring which I will try next time I replace my cassette/chain.

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    I can't tell you guys how much fun I'm haviing on the Mayham with the 160mm pike and the a supper stiff front wheel like the Derby 35mm.

    I going to break down my non boost Onyx hubs that are on the Derby's rims and send them back to Onyx as they have an up-grade program to any current hub size you like for 1/2 of retail. I'll get the boost set with new alloy driver that will save some weight off the rear hub but still get the anti-freeze power coat color that all most glows in the dark. No other hubs spins like Onyx with the German hybrid ceramic bearings and sprag clutch.

    For now just going to keep riding this bike at 160mm, I now feel like I'm perfectly balanced on the Mayham and love the seat post angle I have with the slack out fork at 160mm. This could be the perfect trail bike!! I even had a chance to compare to my friends 2018 Trek Slash last night. I front end on the Slash felt so much heavier then the Mayham as did the whole bike. He is a hard core Trek guy but did say how well the Mayham did firm up while pedaling.
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    [QUOTE=dgw7000;13390036]
    I going to break down my non boost Onyx hubs that are on the Derby's rims and send them back to Onyx as they have an up-grade program to any current hub size you like for 1/2 of retail. I'll get the boost set with new alloy driver that will save some weight off the rear hub but still get the anti-freeze power coat color that all most glows in the dark. No other hubs spins like Onyx with the German hybrid ceramic bearings and sprag clutch.
    [QUOTE]

    FYI, I recently talked with Onyx folks and the "new" alloy hub is not expected until mid 2018. They are in "field test" now.
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    [QUOTE=Simplemind;13390049][QUOTE=dgw7000;13390036]
    I going to break down my non boost Onyx hubs that are on the Derby's rims and send them back to Onyx as they have an up-grade program to any current hub size you like for 1/2 of retail. I'll get the boost set with new alloy driver that will save some weight off the rear hub but still get the anti-freeze power coat color that all most glows in the dark. No other hubs spins like Onyx with the German hybrid ceramic bearings and sprag clutch.

    FYI, I recently talked with Onyx folks and the "new" alloy hub is not expected until mid 2018. They are in "field test" now.

    Yea I was just talking about the lighter free hub XD driver!!

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    [QUOTE=Simplemind;13390049][QUOTE=dgw7000;13390036]
    I going to break down my non boost Onyx hubs that are on the Derby's rims and send them back to Onyx as they have an up-grade program to any current hub size you like for 1/2 of retail. I'll get the boost set with new alloy driver that will save some weight off the rear hub but still get the anti-freeze power coat color that all most glows in the dark. No other hubs spins like Onyx with the German hybrid ceramic bearings and sprag clutch.

    FYI, I recently talked with Onyx folks and the "new" alloy hub is not expected until mid 2018. They are in "field test" now.
    I was seriously wanting to buy a set of these hubs tomorrow are you saying they have a new hub coming in at much lighter weight? This is gonna be real tough now

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    What kind of weight are people getting with these?

    I'd love to have a 26lb, 130mm travel 650b+ bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    What kind of weight are people getting with these?

    I'd love to have a 26lb, 130mm travel 650b+ bike.
    Mine is 26.5 with top shelf everything including dropper and pedals. I can't see getting it much lower without compromising strength. I

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogeydog View Post
    Mine is 26.5 with top shelf everything including dropper and pedals. I can't see getting it much lower without compromising strength. I

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    Wow mine is 30 on the nose, I have no clue how you lost 4 lbs

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    Small black frame
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    Im on a large frame
    Fox Factory 34 140mm
    Wheels DT Swiss XM481
    Tires Minion DHF, HR2
    RF 175 Carbon Crank w/ absolute black oval
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Im on a large frame
    Fox Factory 34 140mm
    Wheels DT Swiss XM481
    Tires Minion DHF, HR2
    RF 175 Carbon Crank w/ absolute black oval
    Enve Bars/Renthal Stem
    Shimano Zee Brakes
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    Yeah, everything you listed is heavier and not necessarily stronger than the parts you listed. Throwing more material at a stem, for example, might not do anything other than add weight.

    A 140lb rider doesn't need parts with the highest possible fatigue resistance. Therefore, "durable enough" and lighter works for some. It might not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Yeah, everything you listed is heavier and not necessarily stronger than the parts you listed. Throwing more material at a stem, for example, might not do anything other than add weight.

    A 140lb rider doesn't need parts with the highest possible fatigue resistance. Therefore, "durable enough" and lighter works for some. It might not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Except im not 140..try 240 on a good day
    Well, that's why someone like Bogey can ride a 26lb bike, and you ride a 30lb bike.

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    Are there any Turner Czar owners out there that own or have ridden the Mayhem29 and that can compare their experience? My bike was stolen recently and I am on the hunt while I figure out the insurance situation. Also, what about the longer wheelbase on tighter twisty smooth stuff? Tahoe/Auburn has lots of smooth single track along with some rocky tight technical stuff and a fair amount of climbing (2k feet/10 miles average I'd say) I was primarily focusing on a short travel fun 29er than climbs well and is fun downhill. Loved the Czar and may just do that again but it'd be nice to try something different. Yeti SB4.5 felt nice to me on the pavement but so did the Ripley. Trek EX9.8/9.9 felt OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49flatfish View Post
    Are there any Turner Czar owners out there that own or have ridden the Mayhem29 and that can compare their experience? My bike was stolen recently and I am on the hunt while I figure out the insurance situation. Also, what about the longer wheelbase on tighter twisty smooth stuff? Tahoe/Auburn has lots of smooth single track along with some rocky tight technical stuff and a fair amount of climbing (2k feet/10 miles average I'd say) I was primarily focusing on a short travel fun 29er than climbs well and is fun downhill. Loved the Czar and may just do that again but it'd be nice to try something different. Yeti SB4.5 felt nice to me on the pavement but so did the Ripley. Trek EX9.8/9.9 felt OK.
    You can't tell anything from the parking lot!! Mayham is longer but just handles so well. I have tested alot of bikes except the Czar. Today I get a chance to ride the Pivot Switchblade for the day. My friend has it for the week, top end build with Eagle and carbon wheels 29er. He also loves my Mayham so we will see. I'm still loving the Mayham with the 160mm pike on the front. 7 great rides and I just love this bike!! When I wake in the morning all I think about is riding the Mayham!!

    Anyone know where to get a better derailure hanger, hanger is too soft and bends really easy.

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    Thanks. It doesn't sound like the longer wheelbase is an issue. Maybe having your center of gravity pushed towards the front wheel helps. I hope they improve the hanger and chain protector. I've ridden an older Spot single speed and really liked it. The geometry was great. I will stay tuned especially to those comparing this to some of the shorter travel 29ers. Mayhem is on my short list but it is a decent outlay of cash to roll the dice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Anyone know where to get a better derailure hanger, hanger is too soft and bends really easy.
    Yes there is a new version. I got mine from Ethan FlowZone | Maverick Suspension and Service
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    Just picked my Mayhem from Ethan this morning. Blew out the seals on my Evol last week so I had him do the warranty rebuild on it. I ended up treating myself to a new DPX2, hope to get the inaugural ride on it mañana before the snow comes Monday. Anyone in the market for a newly rebuilt Evol shoot me a pm and I will give you a good deal! Thought about keeping it for a spare but that is just silly.
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